7:30 Report piece on the Anti Vaccination Network.

[resistnzisfutl]

Meryl Dorey, an dangerous ignorant passing on ideologically based nonsense. Her "treatment" using homeopathy is proof positive of that.

People really don't realize how dangerous their ignorance is to everyone.

[TheGems48]

Stop the AVN !! check out face book anti Australian vaccination network

[delicatelilflower88]

i cried when the babies were crying!!

[batigol47]

Provide any study showing homeopathy works.

[batigol47]

Give the name of the study and the journal. The original Jacobs study has been heavily criticized for several reasons that undermines its validity.

If it worked, there would be more than one poorly done paper.

[batigol47]

No, that study did NOT involve cases of acute diary. That is one of the criticisms. It also involved a several treatments.

There are hundreds of studies on DPT vaccine variants and their safety and efficacy.

Examples from the last year alone:

PMID: 19803750 (full text available online), 19485747,19486957, 19467896, 19333002, 19323013

I could continue all day. And your counter is one study of 81 moderate cases of diarrhea done by a person who makes a living selling homeopathy books.

[ckretagentman]

@batigol47 Keep in mind, noninflammatory diarrhea is almost always self limiting. The only real risk is dehydration, which is treated of course with fluids. In other words, saying something treats noninflammatory diarrhea is essentially saying its the same as water.

[batigol47]

Standard rehydration was given to ALL of the patients, and as stated previously, none of these were acute cases. There is no breakdown of what remedies were given and the sample size is minute.

[ckretagentman]

@camporomero PMID: 17034278 : In 2006, 292 children, no difference between placebo and, well, placebo.

[ckretagentman]

@camporomero So, one study with a sample size less than 100 that was conducted 15 years ago is better than one conducted less than 5 years ago with a sample size of almost 300?

Maybe you need learn the scientific method.

[batigol47]

No, this is about understanding how science and cost-benefit/risk analysis work. You don't understand, just as you do not understand the difference between affect and effect.

[batigol47]

I am from out of space? lol

[batigol47]

Education is the development of natural cognitive abilities. You are obviously someone who was neither born with much talent nor had that meager talent developed.

[camporomero]

"The only source of knowledge is experience".

Albert Einstein

[StumpyOuch]

@camporomero

Are you insane? Do you even know what the scientific method is? I'm going to go out on a limb and answer my own question with a big "NO!".

[StumpyOuch]

@camporomero

Damn you're dumb. You haven't the basic understanding of science needed to be able to hold such a conversation.

Also, you brought yourself into this conversation by commenting on a conversation from about 4 months ago. You just want to be able to spew your ignorant opinions and expect to not be refuted. The internet equivalent of having the last word.

If you don't want to have a conversation on this matter, then don't respond to months old posts with idiotic comments.

[StumpyOuch]

@camporomero

I also have to point out that comparing the infant mortality rate between US and Cuba is more complex than simply saying A is less than B.

To simplify if for you:

1. The US keeps some of the most extensive statistics on early infant mortality. Many other countries do not.

2. We go to great lengths to try to keep low birth rate, extremely premature, infants alive. Other countries do not always do this.

cont

[StumpyOuch]

3. We count the deaths of extremely premature infants and those under 400 grams as an "infant mortality"- other countries list these deaths as a "fetal death" not an "infant death". Do you see how that skews other countries to have seemingly lower infant mortality deaths?

4. We go to great lengths (with those dreaded medical supplies and materials you loathe so much) and costs to try to preserve the lives of infants that many other countries would not. And you think this is wrong?

[camporomero]

@StumpyOuch Cuba has educated its population about the prevention of diseases and the promotion of health, Cubans depend less on medical products and supplies to maintain a healthy population.

The opposite is occurring in the United States, a country which depends heavily on medications and new technologies to keep its population healthy at a very high cost. And Cuba is just one example.

[StumpyOuch]

@camporomero

If you don't want to continue the conversation, simply don't reply. Especially with poorly thought out arguments such as this.

You need to check your facts. Cuba has a pretty extensive health care system (complete with medical products and supplies.) Currently they have almost twice the number of doctors per 100,000 people than the US does. They also implemented a near universal vaccination policy in the '60s.

cont

[StumpyOuch]

Their average life expectancy rose from about 59 in the 1950s to over 77 years old in 2005.

You seem to be wanting to argue the COST of healthcare rather than the effectiveness of modern medicine. Cuba has universal, government sponsored healthcare for all of its citizens. The US does not. This has a great deal to do with the "very high cost" of keeping the population healthy.

I am extremely curious. Are you in favor of socialized healthcare in the US?

[wehavenofax]

@camporomero we have advanced somewhat since 1994. How's about joining us in te 21st century. Come on. You'll love it.

[StumpyOuch]

@camporomero

Scientific advancements and people being lazy slobs are not related. Yes, there are more people being diagnosed with ailments because (a) they're living well past the age of 35 (35 was the average life expectancy in US in the early 1900s, today it is around 65) and

(b) We have actually learned much more about diseases in the past 50+ years and can now diagnose many more things than we ever could before. It doesn't mean people didn't suffer from these things in the past,too.

[batigol47]

Mercury is NOT out of vaccines due to reactions. Thimerosal was removed in a kowtow to a misunderstanding public. It was one of the greatest disservices ever done to public health, because it created conspiracy where there was none.

Scientists continue to make new drugs because they learn how to better treat symptoms and refine treatments. That has nothing to do with the fact that there are no scientifically valid homeopathy studies. You cite 1 study in more than 15 years and it is poor.

[batigol47]

What kind of fucked up person would HOPE that someone else would be affected? If you actually believe this bullshit, what kind of person does that say you are?

It is Skepticism and you need to learn the difference between it and paranoia.

[batigol47]

Obviously I don't care about children as I am the one advocating saving the lives of babies while you would prefer that they die a painful death from an absolutely preventable disease...

[batigol47]

There are no vaccines shown to cause cancer. There is, however, one that may help prevent it.

There are no vaccines shown to cause autism.

While there are serious reactions up to death resulting from vaccines, these numbers are thousands of times smaller than the numbers of deaths due to vaccine preventable diseases worldwide.

[ckretagentman]

@batigol47 there's actually 2.  HBV and HPV.

[batigol47]

Well, HBV hasn't been conclusively proven on cancer yet. Emphasis on the yet. The case on HPV is closed on it.

[batigol47]

Deaths from pert. vaccine are EXCEEDINGLY rare, but EVERYTHING you consume has the potential, from peanuts to water. Death from pertussis is NOT RARE malnourished or not. It kills almost entirely babies and the numbers are RISING. There should not be a single death from pertussis, not one. And lets not forget that even those that survive were desperately ill for weeks.

Not one study has linked DPT to abnormal death rates, but they certainly have linked diptheria and pertussis to death.

[batigol47]

Name one parent who has had a child die from pertussis. A parent making the claim does not make it valid. Where is the medical evidence? People also claim that the devil possesses their children...SIDS is NOT related to pertussis. It has been shown repeatedly.

WHO estimates over 267000 deaths from pertussis annually. The US is in double digits according to the CDC.

[batigol47]

This is also ignoring that in most western countries only Acellular pertussis vaccine is available, which has an even higher safety rate.

Fact is that if your child suffered an injury from a vaccine, it is unfortunate and sad, but there is no way of knowing it would happen and there are methods for compensation (not saying that there is proper compensation for a lost child). If your child dies of something that was 100% preventable, however, and you CHOSE to expose them it is unforgivable.

[batigol47]

Privilege. It comes down to money. That is unfortunate, but you are in Australia. Australia is a "Western" country as far as economy and medicine are concerned.

Whole cell is FAR cheaper and easier to make, which means that poorer governments can produce more of them for less. It is beside the point, as in many of those countries the deaths from pertussis are higher by hundreds of times.

[batigol47]

Money has ALWAYS determined health, whether it be from better living conditions, medicine or food. Fact is that vaccines are a great EQUALIZER in this fashion. They are far cheaper than treating diseases and far cheaper than rebuilding societies. As a result, poorer people don't die in the numbers they would have only twenty years ago from the communicable diseases that ravage our world.

[batigol47]

Not vaccinating your child is the equivalent of not putting your child in a car seat. It is reprehensible. A car seat could in rare cases cause death, but driving around with your toddler bouncing in your lap is ridiculous wouldn't you agree?

[MrElanSE]

Meryl Dorey's continual lies had me shouting at the computer. Her assertion that parents reading a few articles could be as knowledgeable of a doctor is just pure bullshit. Dorey is no better than a Nazi and is doing irrevocable damage to Australian children. She should go to jail.

[methinxaweezil]

7:03 : "Their work is negative, destructive, and has no scientific basis."

That pretty much says it all. Antivaxxers are a public health threat.

[Robtehman]

And get the chair.