Waki gatame, basic - Ninjutsu technique for the Akban wiki

[jin54363]

ninjutsu is not a martial art, and never was -_-

[ninjalla]

@jin54363 That depends on what a martial arts definition is.

[jin54363]

@ninjalla

i'm talking about historical reference.

[ninjalla]

@jin54363 In the historical context you are absolutely correct my friend

[axconaxcon]

thanks...NICE

[MrTerryKay]

This'll probably sound strange but to stop them pulling that arm back you can confuse the muscles. (I don't know how it works but it does, when done quick and flowing).

If its their right arm. Pull arm to yourself. Then left. Then draw a rainbow arc. Then over with elbow into technique. Try it out before telling me what you all think. Like I said, it sounds strange but get it right and it can be used from even close quarter grapples.

[xgladar]

how does this work? hes basically just pulling his arm down,there is no reason anyone would fall on the ground aside from sheer surprise

[tommyrm]

No, it's an armlock called waki gatame, he's applying pressure to the joint. The guy has no choice but to go down or he'll lose the use of his arm.

[RonnieRocker]

I suppose tori's putting weight on uke's upperarm/shoulder.

[sukotsutoclone2]

@xgladar You're securing the arm (preferrably with a wristlock) as you drop down, putting pressure on the opponent's shoulder joint using your shoulder, forcing them to go down with you as well, with your upper body on top of the opponent.

[taichibailongball]

@xgladar It works but only if the guy keeps his arm straight out. This only works against someone who has very poor reflexes and doesn't know how to fight.

Luckily most trouble makers on the street don't know how to fight so it's good to know.

[BlackShinobiShozoku]

@xgladar There is no reason? Well I'd beg to differ. Notice when he grabs the arm he puts his elbow into it. While holding the hand. What this does is cause an armbar. So if he pulls up with the hand and pushes down with the elbow. The pressure of the joint lock is increased. Thus the only way for the person to not get his arm broken is to go down with the downward pressure of the elbow. Which causes him to go face down to the ground. Once on the ground -cont

[BlackShinobiShozoku]

@xgladar You place your weight on the shoulder of the person. Thus furthering pinning the arm so now you have complete leverage for the armbar. Now you don't even need your elbow anymore. You just pull back on the hand and the joint lock is now being applied by your body.

[BrentShiver]

One minor thing i like to add when doing this technique if you dont mind the critique... When you take the opponent down, and once on the ground bring their arm as high towards their head as possible. Like they are raising their hand in class. Ive found that if their arm is perpendicular to their body (sticking out to the side) it gives them a TINY bit more chance to wiggle free, bend their elbow etc. For some reason with the arm straight up, it hurts worse and its harder to fight against it.

[ninjalla]

We will try this. thanks

[BrentShiver]

You are welcome, its a minor detail that my sensei (7th dan Nihon JJ, and 7th Kodokan judo) showed me... I think its worth doing.

[Ophiucus0907]

@ninjalla I like your open mindedness.

[jaguar004]

How do you perform it?

[ninjalla]

As our project, the Akban-wiki, is geared toward documenting martial arts connected with our practice, we have not yet started to video the tutorials.

We will, soon.

[jf1gd2]

this is more of the JJJ/Aikido version of Waki Gatame. the one in Judo would not allow you to use the wrist as a fulcrum (though the move itself is legal).

[ninjalla]

Right you are, this is Koryu armlock, not a competition one.

[jf1gd2]

why is it labeled as Waki Gatame then?

[ninjalla]

Some times old koryu techniques have a name that is later adopted by a gendai budo systems for a completly different technique.

Anyway, this is just the name of this specific lock in our densho.

[ironflag2]

If you're practicing kodokan judo's go shin jutsu its fine to apply the wristlock. as you'd be doing self defense not sport.

[Jujutsuka4LIfe]

Nice. It's not realistic to train for that lock in a static position without uke advancing forward but it's hard to show the subtleties otherwise, plus a beginner might mess up uke's arm. LOL

[colmtrim]

wow, how long to learn that!!!!!!!, wow

[kooshatotonchi]

wow. amazing waki gatame ^^