People always fear what they don't understand and narrow mindedness never helped anyone! Homeopathy has a place in this world as do Allopathic medicine, and it's about finding the two working side by side. I find it sad that people feel the need to 'attack' each other when everyone is entitled to their own opinion...
An ironic thing to say for someone who think that bottles of water cure diseases. Now how about those papers instead of throwing around names? Or better yet, explain yourself how water cures disease? After all, if you believe this junk, you know how it works, right? :-)
Oooh! A Wordpress site! By ah... who? How about the papers? Give me the research on drinking vials of water to cure diseases, not a guy who merely claims that more and more scientists are getting behind them, because this thoroughly reminds me of that whole fiasco that was Intelligent Design.
@laflugantabastardo Yeah. You say to them 'OK let's do some trials' and the response is always 'Oh, you can't test homopathy because it's designed for the whole person'.
If that were the case then every consulation would give a patient a radically different remedy. But they don't. They hand out the same pills each time.
Does "like cure like"? No. There is no evidence to suggest that this is true.
Does diluting a substance in water make its effects more pronounced? No it will make it weaker. Diluting something means that there is less of it.
Does water have a 'memory'? No. Otherwise it would 'remember' everything it had come in contact with. All water would be in effect a 'cure' for everything.
I would like hpathy to work, really. But the fact remains that it's a fantasy.
@wawei67 I'm also not sure why being of the opinion that homopathy is a scam makes me a fascist bastard.
I suspect from reading your posts that you might also think I am a drone, or a stooge or somesuch. However I could easily meake the same claims about yourself (I'm not going to).
At the end of the day if I was suffering from a treatable medical condition and the choice was hpathy or real pills - I'd take the real ones.
If that makes me a facsist - then the planet's covered with them.
@wawei67 The thing is that most of the evidence to suggest hpathy works is in journals with names like "homeopath review" or "homeopathy works quarterly", publications that would go out of business pretty quickly if they suggested hpathy is a scam.
It's not that I am ingorant of hpathy science. It's just that since it doesn't work (it's just water) why would I read more about it? In that sense I am also 'ignorant' of acupuncture. But since that's a fake too, why would I bother?
@Homeosaurus There is no "mechanism of action" homeopathy is a scam. It's just water and those who travel to Africa and encourage people to use it in place of real medicine have the blood of the dead on their hands,
If Miracle Water goes against every single relevant scientific field out there by claiming that the more you dilute something, the stronger it gets, the practitioners had better have a pretty damn good scientific explanation as to how it's supposedly possible to work. "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence" and such.
Okay, seen the three-parter. It's still the same thing as before. "Look, we give you bottles with water! HEALED!" It STILL does not tell us how it works on a chemical level. I mean, it's clear you just give sick people water, but HOW does it work? Should you not know this, as a "nurse practitioner"? Or are you hiding behind "chemical energy" too? :')
PS. Thanks for your correction on "speaking books/volumes". I'm not a native English speaker, so errors may sneak in at times.
The same red herring again? I pasted the definition above. Like it or not, you're wrong about this semantics issue.
I don't for a minute believe you went through med school and found this working, since bottles of water do not cure diseases. Your unwillingness to reveal how it works speaks books to the public.
Go on, tell us what happens chemically to the active ingredient when you dilute that "homeopathic" bottle of water.
A skeptical attitude; doubt as to the truth of something
Ah yes, pretty nice red herring there, purposefully conflating "doubt" with "certainty". But of course this doesn't free you from your burden. Why won't you *really* tell us what homeopathy is, Homeosaurus? Is it because you don't want people to know your little scam consists only of bottles of water with a fairy tale attached to it?
@Homeosaurus Aside from this Homeopathy must stand on its own evidence. I makes no difference to the efficacy of Homeopathy if every Doctor had a Harold Shipman outlook on life. Homeopathy has been demonstrated not to work. It's implausible process is merely the reason why we get such a result.
@Homeosaurus The number of deaths caused by the whole of medical intervention is not useful information. You cannot lump together surgical error with reaction to drugs any more than you can group cot death with toilet seat accidents. Each treatment must be evaluated for its own effect, risk & side effect.The only use a total figure would have is from a salesman of snakeoil, hence the flawed reports you quote.
@Homeosaurus I'd be surprised if a successful study was carried out, but also if such an occurance HADN'T happened. It would be a statistical oddity if death rates never fell when doctors were on strike.
Yes, rejected by me, because I am actually skeptical when people say their tap water heals sickness. If you know what fibromyalgia is, you should know that it's not a disease but a selection of wildly varying symptoms.
Face it, homeopathy is just snake oil, set up to sucker people out of their money. Now when are you going to tell us hoe your miracle tap water works?
15370183 - Rejected. Study group too broad and too small. You do know that fibromyalgia is any kind of pain in joints, muscle tissue, fatigue etc, right? It's what we call symptoms of which we don't know the cause: "Diagnosis of exclusion", it's called.
How about you tell us the premise of the miracle water?
"You just proved my point regarding your bias by claiming to ignore rather than investigate."
No, I did not prove your point. Bald assertions are always to be ignored. The burden of proof is on you; you have to deliver. Fortunately you have at least sent three pmid's to look at.
I have not disregarded it. I have ignored it. Why? Because you are merely asserting that it is backed by scientific evidence. You have provided no sources. I, on the other hand, have provided you with TWO studies that show that the water treatments you so laud do nothing more than any placebo.
I'm not going to spoon feed you this, you'll have to actually read it yourself. Follw the citations and see how many patients are clearly counted twice or more, How many patient are counted simply because they took a course of action and still died (irrelevent of what the actual course of death was!) You have to actually read the studies that are cited. If you then choose to believe this crap then you cannot be helped.
No it has not. Seriously. Water curing diseases. It's absolutely ridiculous. PMID 12492603 and 17285788, for example, are one of the many studies that have proven that this water treatment does as much as any placebo. And yes, these people will stop seeking homeopathic "aid" if it doesn't work: that is, when they die of the disease they have, that could've been treated by real medicine.
As I said before, it is a dangerous as a sugar pill. To non-diabetics. For fucks sake, we're talking diluted water here. If people who have HIV or AIDS refuse to seek proper treatment because they are being told that homeopathy is already curing them, then homeopathy is doing harm - it's that simple.
If you'd bothered to read the report, rather than copy/paste it you'd find
A. It's just a story in a naturopathy quackery publication.
B. The sources it draws from are similar stories from quack publications and the actual study for the deaths cuased by medicine showing YOUR numbers HAS NOT BEEN DONE!
You didn't anaswer my earlier question :
Is Peter Fischer, head quack of the London Homeopathic Hospital, ingorant about the efffctiveness of homeopathy for maleria?
You know who else sing with joy and enthusiasm? Scientologists. And you know who else? The Westboro Baptist Church. Who else? The KKK. Who else? Nazis. (Oh yes, I pulled a Godwin there.) Who else? North Koreans. And oh man, you should see the so-called "bugchasers" when they have contracted HIV or infected someone else with it.
Just because people are happy about something, it doesn't mean it doesn't do harm. Homeopathy, or any other sugarpill, does harm in this case.
@Homeosaurus "allopathic medicine [is] #1 cause of death in the US"?! Get real. Got a reference for that "fact"? 10 secs on Google produces an official summary on which heart disease and cancer top th list. "Allopathic" medicine is not listed a major *primary* cause of death: presumably a big pharma conspiracy, right? ;-)
Medical side-effects are real and significant, but have to be traded against *effectiveness*... homeopathy doesn't do so well there.
@Homeosaurus "In a controversy the instant we feel anger we have already ceased striving for the truth, and have begun striving for ourselves." -- But what if it's not anger, but indignation to a perceived injustice? You're not refuting me, but the straw man you just made of me.
" Why is this video so celebratory and full of gratitude if a real difference in people's lives isn't being felt?" -- Erhm... because it's a VIDEO? :) You shouldn't take everything you see in a video at face value...
Simple. Ignorance. If I were seriously ill and a doctor told me he could treat me with no side effects, I'd be pretty pleased. However, a witch-doctor pretending to be a real doctor by using sciency sounding words and peddling a placebo is filling these people with false hope. would you call head Quack of the London Homeopathy Hospital Peter Fisher ignorant? He is appalled by this too (or so he says)
Homeopaths should go to jail for trying to scam people into believing sugar cubes can cure malaria... but that's how the world works! Make your scam survive long enough and it becomes a respected tradition! }:(
Best song ever! thanks for posting!!
zeroeightz 1 week ago
This is a great way to get the message of homeopathy across. Keep going! It really works.
tossyv 1 month ago
People always fear what they don't understand and narrow mindedness never helped anyone! Homeopathy has a place in this world as do Allopathic medicine, and it's about finding the two working side by side. I find it sad that people feel the need to 'attack' each other when everyone is entitled to their own opinion...
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@wawei67
> there's a rather large literature of evidence
Yes, from homeopathy-rags. Not exactly the most reliable source.
> If you know how it doesn't work then you provide the 'evidence'
Null hypothesis.
> using other medicines as a comparison is not science
Neither is homeopathy.
> it's not like you're right lol--water chemistry has taken great strides since you last drank down whatever you were taught
Then you should have no problems explaining it.
laflugantabastardo 2 months ago
@wawei67
An ironic thing to say for someone who think that bottles of water cure diseases. Now how about those papers instead of throwing around names? Or better yet, explain yourself how water cures disease? After all, if you believe this junk, you know how it works, right? :-)
laflugantabastardo 2 months ago
@wawei67
Oooh! A Wordpress site! By ah... who? How about the papers? Give me the research on drinking vials of water to cure diseases, not a guy who merely claims that more and more scientists are getting behind them, because this thoroughly reminds me of that whole fiasco that was Intelligent Design.
laflugantabastardo 2 months ago
@wawei67
Sure, let's try googling that.
First result: "The collective weight of scientific evidence has found homeopathy to be no more effective than a placebo."
2nd: "Why have its practitioners and proponents been unwilling or unable to conduct the proper trials and research required to prove it?"
Let's see... "The Ultimate Fake"... "Bad Science"... It sounds *dramatic* alright.
laflugantabastardo 3 months ago
@laflugantabastardo Yeah. You say to them 'OK let's do some trials' and the response is always 'Oh, you can't test homopathy because it's designed for the whole person'.
If that were the case then every consulation would give a patient a radically different remedy. But they don't. They hand out the same pills each time.
What a load of old tosh.
davidheffron 3 months ago
@wawei67 Ok then. Let's be logical:
Does "like cure like"? No. There is no evidence to suggest that this is true.
Does diluting a substance in water make its effects more pronounced? No it will make it weaker. Diluting something means that there is less of it.
Does water have a 'memory'? No. Otherwise it would 'remember' everything it had come in contact with. All water would be in effect a 'cure' for everything.
I would like hpathy to work, really. But the fact remains that it's a fantasy.
davidheffron 3 months ago
@wawei67 I'm also not sure why being of the opinion that homopathy is a scam makes me a fascist bastard.
I suspect from reading your posts that you might also think I am a drone, or a stooge or somesuch. However I could easily meake the same claims about yourself (I'm not going to).
At the end of the day if I was suffering from a treatable medical condition and the choice was hpathy or real pills - I'd take the real ones.
If that makes me a facsist - then the planet's covered with them.
davidheffron 3 months ago
@wawei67 The thing is that most of the evidence to suggest hpathy works is in journals with names like "homeopath review" or "homeopathy works quarterly", publications that would go out of business pretty quickly if they suggested hpathy is a scam.
It's not that I am ingorant of hpathy science. It's just that since it doesn't work (it's just water) why would I read more about it? In that sense I am also 'ignorant' of acupuncture. But since that's a fake too, why would I bother?
davidheffron 3 months ago
Have any of you that are rambling on about how homoeopathy is fake actually ever tried it???
I think the most ignorant people are the ones that believe what they read and just take it as fact..
These people are making a REAL difference and there is no way you can deny that!
gilabegil 3 months ago
@Homeosaurus There is no "mechanism of action" homeopathy is a scam. It's just water and those who travel to Africa and encourage people to use it in place of real medicine have the blood of the dead on their hands,
davidheffron 5 months ago
@Homeosaurus
If Miracle Water goes against every single relevant scientific field out there by claiming that the more you dilute something, the stronger it gets, the practitioners had better have a pretty damn good scientific explanation as to how it's supposedly possible to work. "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence" and such.
laflugantabastardo 6 months ago
@Homeosaurus
Okay, seen the three-parter. It's still the same thing as before. "Look, we give you bottles with water! HEALED!" It STILL does not tell us how it works on a chemical level. I mean, it's clear you just give sick people water, but HOW does it work? Should you not know this, as a "nurse practitioner"? Or are you hiding behind "chemical energy" too? :')
PS. Thanks for your correction on "speaking books/volumes". I'm not a native English speaker, so errors may sneak in at times.
laflugantabastardo 6 months ago
@Homeosaurus
The same red herring again? I pasted the definition above. Like it or not, you're wrong about this semantics issue.
I don't for a minute believe you went through med school and found this working, since bottles of water do not cure diseases. Your unwillingness to reveal how it works speaks books to the public.
Go on, tell us what happens chemically to the active ingredient when you dilute that "homeopathic" bottle of water.
laflugantabastardo 6 months ago
@Homeosaurus
skep·ti·cism
noun /ˈskeptəˌsizəm/
A skeptical attitude; doubt as to the truth of something
Ah yes, pretty nice red herring there, purposefully conflating "doubt" with "certainty". But of course this doesn't free you from your burden. Why won't you *really* tell us what homeopathy is, Homeosaurus? Is it because you don't want people to know your little scam consists only of bottles of water with a fairy tale attached to it?
laflugantabastardo 6 months ago
@Homeosaurus Aside from this Homeopathy must stand on its own evidence. I makes no difference to the efficacy of Homeopathy if every Doctor had a Harold Shipman outlook on life. Homeopathy has been demonstrated not to work. It's implausible process is merely the reason why we get such a result.
MyPablohoney 6 months ago
@Homeosaurus The number of deaths caused by the whole of medical intervention is not useful information. You cannot lump together surgical error with reaction to drugs any more than you can group cot death with toilet seat accidents. Each treatment must be evaluated for its own effect, risk & side effect.The only use a total figure would have is from a salesman of snakeoil, hence the flawed reports you quote.
MyPablohoney 6 months ago
@Homeosaurus I'd be surprised if a successful study was carried out, but also if such an occurance HADN'T happened. It would be a statistical oddity if death rates never fell when doctors were on strike.
MyPablohoney 6 months ago
@Homeosaurus
Yes, rejected by me, because I am actually skeptical when people say their tap water heals sickness. If you know what fibromyalgia is, you should know that it's not a disease but a selection of wildly varying symptoms.
Face it, homeopathy is just snake oil, set up to sucker people out of their money. Now when are you going to tell us hoe your miracle tap water works?
laflugantabastardo 6 months ago
@Homeosaurus
21787219 - Rejected. Researchers are biased: "Regional Research Institute for Homeopathy."
19647210 - Rejected. Publication bias: "Homeopathy. 2009 Jul;98(3):160-4."
15370183 - Rejected. Study group too broad and too small. You do know that fibromyalgia is any kind of pain in joints, muscle tissue, fatigue etc, right? It's what we call symptoms of which we don't know the cause: "Diagnosis of exclusion", it's called.
How about you tell us the premise of the miracle water?
laflugantabastardo 6 months ago
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@Homeosaurus
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"You just proved my point regarding your bias by claiming to ignore rather than investigate."
No, I did not prove your point. Bald assertions are always to be ignored. The burden of proof is on you; you have to deliver. Fortunately you have at least sent three pmid's to look at.
laflugantabastardo 6 months ago
@Homeosaurus That's the point. We don't know, and must admit we don't know rather than make up fairy tales and conspiracy theories.
MyPablohoney 6 months ago
@Homeosaurus
I have not disregarded it. I have ignored it. Why? Because you are merely asserting that it is backed by scientific evidence. You have provided no sources. I, on the other hand, have provided you with TWO studies that show that the water treatments you so laud do nothing more than any placebo.
laflugantabastardo 6 months ago
@Homeosaurus
I'm not going to spoon feed you this, you'll have to actually read it yourself. Follw the citations and see how many patients are clearly counted twice or more, How many patient are counted simply because they took a course of action and still died (irrelevent of what the actual course of death was!) You have to actually read the studies that are cited. If you then choose to believe this crap then you cannot be helped.
MyPablohoney 6 months ago
@Homeosaurus
No it has not. Seriously. Water curing diseases. It's absolutely ridiculous. PMID 12492603 and 17285788, for example, are one of the many studies that have proven that this water treatment does as much as any placebo. And yes, these people will stop seeking homeopathic "aid" if it doesn't work: that is, when they die of the disease they have, that could've been treated by real medicine.
laflugantabastardo 6 months ago
@Homeosaurus
As I said before, it is a dangerous as a sugar pill. To non-diabetics. For fucks sake, we're talking diluted water here. If people who have HIV or AIDS refuse to seek proper treatment because they are being told that homeopathy is already curing them, then homeopathy is doing harm - it's that simple.
laflugantabastardo 6 months ago
@Homeosaurus
If you'd bothered to read the report, rather than copy/paste it you'd find
A. It's just a story in a naturopathy quackery publication.
B. The sources it draws from are similar stories from quack publications and the actual study for the deaths cuased by medicine showing YOUR numbers HAS NOT BEEN DONE!
You didn't anaswer my earlier question :
Is Peter Fischer, head quack of the London Homeopathic Hospital, ingorant about the efffctiveness of homeopathy for maleria?
MyPablohoney 6 months ago
@Homeosaurus
> Is that a homophobic term
No. Just google it. The first result yields the wikipedia page for it.
I still don't see how the rest of your comment in any way supports homeopathy. Again, it's a sugar pill that harms in cases like these.
laflugantabastardo 6 months ago
@Homeosaurus
You know who else sing with joy and enthusiasm? Scientologists. And you know who else? The Westboro Baptist Church. Who else? The KKK. Who else? Nazis. (Oh yes, I pulled a Godwin there.) Who else? North Koreans. And oh man, you should see the so-called "bugchasers" when they have contracted HIV or infected someone else with it.
Just because people are happy about something, it doesn't mean it doesn't do harm. Homeopathy, or any other sugarpill, does harm in this case.
laflugantabastardo 6 months ago
@Homeosaurus "allopathic medicine [is] #1 cause of death in the US"?! Get real. Got a reference for that "fact"? 10 secs on Google produces an official summary on which heart disease and cancer top th list. "Allopathic" medicine is not listed a major *primary* cause of death: presumably a big pharma conspiracy, right? ;-)
Medical side-effects are real and significant, but have to be traded against *effectiveness*... homeopathy doesn't do so well there.
agbuckley 6 months ago 2
@Homeosaurus "In a controversy the instant we feel anger we have already ceased striving for the truth, and have begun striving for ourselves." -- But what if it's not anger, but indignation to a perceived injustice? You're not refuting me, but the straw man you just made of me.
" Why is this video so celebratory and full of gratitude if a real difference in people's lives isn't being felt?" -- Erhm... because it's a VIDEO? :) You shouldn't take everything you see in a video at face value...
QvasiModo 6 months ago 2
@Homeosaurus
Simple. Ignorance. If I were seriously ill and a doctor told me he could treat me with no side effects, I'd be pretty pleased. However, a witch-doctor pretending to be a real doctor by using sciency sounding words and peddling a placebo is filling these people with false hope. would you call head Quack of the London Homeopathy Hospital Peter Fisher ignorant? He is appalled by this too (or so he says)
MyPablohoney 6 months ago
@Homeosaurus
The clinical effectiveness of treatment is rarely measured musically.
MyPablohoney 6 months ago
Homeopaths should go to jail for trying to scam people into believing sugar cubes can cure malaria... but that's how the world works! Make your scam survive long enough and it becomes a respected tradition! }:(
QvasiModo 6 months ago 7
For malaria? But... people will die, people have died
jaffathecakeuk 6 months ago 6
This is an absolute disgrace. Sherr should be ashamed of himself.
Linden 6 months ago 6
Oh My God!
I actually think that I've never heard such monsterous, dangerous, potentially murderous shit!
MyPablohoney 6 months ago 13
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Wonderful song and theme. God Bless u Dr.Jeremy
drravilucknow 6 months ago
Can we bed embed this video?
Bandershot 6 months ago
This is fantastic. Between Jeremy Sherr and the producers of this video we can change the world. Thank you for posting this video. It's dynamite!
Bandershot 6 months ago
google with the youtube converter for personal use or ask jeremy sherr for any other use
shaniratzabi 9 months ago
where i can get the mp3?
sidhdarth20 9 months ago