the guy on this video is GAY, athiest should not worry about gay people, only christians do, i've seen this guy around the TAMPA bay area, if someone sees him, FUCK HIM, he needs a big nigga dick up his ass
who are you to sprook what us gays want. are you a gay man? have you been elected or do you represent an organisation of gay and lesbians or is this just your view? you sitting around, getting mad at others peoples videos is pathetic. you don't have the intelligence to critique the comments without becoming abusive, your opinions are irrelevant. I disagree of course with the subject matter you are ranting about. Why do you seem to only focus on gay men.
2% of the us population is gay? well i assume your speaking of the mind set and not the action because in reality 40% of men have had a gay experience bahaha
Haha @"Wait, what? Single people aren't allowed to get married? Where the fuck are you from?" LOL Aren't ignorant people so easy to pick apart? Great videos man.
I've watched a few of your videos now & it seems the thread running through them is frustration and tension and anger. When you subject yourself to small minded people it makes your blood boil. So stop doing it. Unplug your internet and go & hang out with some cool people or something.
Seeing someone so disgruntled & angry & trying to win arguments that can't be won is kind of sad. Debating CAN become addictive, sure, but it can't be that much fun bashing your head against a brick wall can it?
All that is very quaint, but did you answer one of those questions. Mr Selenadelos is only asking for you to answer very simple on topic questions, but again, all you can do is reply with your cynical little meaningless quotes and cute insults, grow up already.
OMG DavidLynch007 is so wishy washy it's almost hard to listen to this guy. Thanks for this video, I'm all for gay marriage, let people marry who they love.. plain and simple
and heteros can marry someone they dont even know- and get 1400 federal rights handed to them to a silver platter.....as opposed to same sex cpl who've been together decades.
wow that guy is realy dum hahaha i have the right to stand on my head with penut butter on my hands and bananas on my feet... dosent mean i want to so dos that mean there should be a law that says you cant
You are not at risk according to you so its none of your fucking business. If I or any person chooses to engage in activity that is dangerous then thats our business. And dont try to pull that insurance rates affect all of us bullshit either because I dont see you being outspoken about tobacco and alcohol. You are a bigot and thats the simple truth.
Why don`t you take your lame ass arguments to a board discussing AID`s,, Crosisborg I have had an ongoing debate with this hate filled gay bashing scrub. The subject was and still is "Gay Marriage" I truly believe him to be mentally handicapped.
((MSM made up more than two thirds (68%) of all men living with HIV in 2005, even though only about 5% to 7% of men in the United States reported having sex with other men.)) This REPRESENTINGLIES ,Came directly from the CDC WEBSITE ,,This is the number of men that admitted to being,many won`t admit because of the bigotry they face, now tell us some more fibs !!!!!!!
dude amen he sounds like my trainer at work in the afternoon i cant pay attention.....i think my brain is starting to leek out of my ears lol guys a dumass
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So if a husband were to die and he had a son 25 years old. Are you saying that he can now marry his mom? Yes if he loves his mom and wants to marry her would you support that since that is who he is. I am just using your standard to see if it works. BTW his mom loves his son. Crosisborg do you have the wisdom for this? I am all ears.
RepresentingTruth, Why do we have laws against Incest, because it`s proven that this causes Birth Defects and Dementia, if it were just morality, I would say let them marry if their sterile. Just as Gay men and women should have every right to marriage, if it harms none then do as you please .
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"if it harms none then do as you please "
2 things wrong here.
1). Morality is based on right and wrong not if it harms someone or not. this is a classic attempt to redefine morality just like they have redefined marriage.
2) people in support of gay marriage point out all the problems with traditional marriage such as divorce, cheating, and child abuse. They fail to bring out the divorce, cheating and child abuse of the homosexual. If it harms no one why 50% of aids because of gays?
Wrong again, Its all about if it does not harm no one its none of your business, and as far as Morality whom defines this you those Christians or Muslims,and your final #2 section what are you saying they can,t marry so Divorce ? Cheating straight people don`t cheat ! please and the last I checked it`s hetrosexual Males that molest children and that is by far!!! Fine you keep the church out of state matters ,like CIVIL UNIONS that have nothing to do with your evil christian dogma.
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"Wrong again, Its all about if it does not harm no one its none of your business"
no it does harm so it becomes my business.
how brillant to say that hetrosexual molest more children than gays. well did it enter your mind than 98% of the pop. is more than 2% of the pop? Maybe just maybe that might be? However 2% of the pop is gay and is responsible for over 50% of all new aids cases. Sounds like a lifestyle of death to me.
No them Marrying is related to the AIDs Virus how is that RepresentingDelision ? The issue fool was GAY MARRIAGE,,not disease that`s another topic, but your a bigot so your hate blinded you . AS to Child Molestation another out of place topic , 2% of the population try between the low Est 8% upwards to a Est 14% ,which many hide their sexuality so its hard to est exact #s ,due to the hate they meet from gays like yourself that are hiding behind their hate. so stop making #s up
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well well I love how you avoid the facts and make up you own. My source is Center for disease control and prevention what is your source? btw I did not even give the stat for the other diseases that gays are the hightest contributors to but I can. What is the source of your 8-14%?
You are a hate filled bigot who is guilty of the most aweful child abuse known to mankind. You created a monster of a child filled with your hate. I hope one day she turns her back on you and you die without the love of your daughter.
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well well is that the best you can do Crosisborg? Is it hateful to tell someone that you do not believe in smoking? is that hateful or is that an health issue. People die because of smoking and people die because of AIDS. Since when is it hateful to show the death sentence of a lifestyle that the fruit of it is Death? you Crosisborg have nothing else better to do than to pick on Christian girls that live a pure lifestyle. Is that the legacy that you want to leave behind?
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No my daughter is a Woman of God and has more charactor than you ever will. Your name calling does not impress. what about the deaths of AIDS? Does that even matter to you? come on nearly 500,000 dead and what is your mindset You are this and that. Crosisborg my girl does not support what you support and that is leaving aside common sense to be a gross, shameful and deadly lifestyle. What is worst Mr Crosisborg you support of death or my stance on health?
Representing Truth, two gay men in a marriage with each other, explain to us how in your mind keeping them from doing this is going to help stop the spread of AID`s ?
What are you proposing that should be done to LGB people to stop the disease of AID`s ? I would not bet on getting to any clear answer to any questions because hes in denial about his hatred, Representing Truth did you get raped in prison or something, whats up with you ?
Oh if this guy has a daughter put good thoughts out for her, she needs all the positive energy she can get to not become infected with his hate. Wishing Ill on her cause of his evil is wrong, it will bring bad energy to you.
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So Mr Selenadelos you are starting to bore me. so I will stay focus in helping people cope with broken relationships and the trials in their lives and make a positive impact and you continue with your hate to those that believe in right and wrong. have a nice eternity
Well Miss Representing Truth, I thought I would get a response like this from you!. Because you have no rational grounds for your stance on Gay Marriage, that is why you talked about everything but Gay Marriage. Instead of being cute with the Mr Selenadelos insult, why don`t you respond like an adult and answer my questions ?. Know I do not hate anyone, you hate me because I don`t see morality in the same way as you, I have morals and a sense of right and wrong, you have a nice one as well.
Further more I said I believe the number would be 14% and many Gay&Lesbian organizations granted a bias source, but I believe it to be the truth, As I said how is this related to gay people marrying? Your just full of hate and bulls**t like every Racist n Sexist in the world,go slither off ignorant wonder.
If your statements were 100% true,which they,er not and all but the most blind know this. Gay Marriage would still be none of your Homophobic business,and the topics you bring up are not related to the Subject, again Gay Marriage hurts no one still true as when I said it the first time. Further I think the hate speech Christians teach from their Bible or book of murder and slavery and sexism,We should deny Christians the priviledge of raising children !
The Bible says that humanity is deliberately ignorant of God. For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of humankind, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness (Romans 1:18).
Thank you for this vid Crosisborg nice to see a bigot owned. I live in an area where because I'm a butch lesbian I have to be scared. Because just by walking around "i'm rubbing it in their faces." It gives me hope that more and more people "get it."
Crosis thank you so much for standing up for the equal rights!!! *claps* The other guy is so freakin boring & I don't know how you could handle hearing him for that long.
Crosis you're great. the content and quality of this video is as expected. good to see you making videos again. I'm a big fan of your work keep them coming. DavidLynch007 is a dumb ass. Get with the program dude.
Yet, in most of the Western world, except the United States, Italy, Portugal, and Greece, gay marriage is legal. Furthermore, it is acceptable for men and women in Japan to be gay.
Those countries did not spiral into economic, social or civil panic. It is only im places where religions have the dominant sway where this argument is ever used.
single people cant get married? what? im sorry crosisborg can u explain that to me? because im seriously confused, and he controdicted himself when he said one second "ppl say "oh ur saying gays cant married" thats not true" then later he says "two males dont have the right to get married" wtf has this guy been smoking?
Enjoyed your video and responses to this argument. I constantly hear that gay people need to go back and read the bible to expand their minds on this issue. It's clear to me that they are expanding their minds because they have to fight this ignorance from mostly the religious groups. I see so much hatred spewed from religious mouth's. I hear them saw God is about love and acceptance but have yet to witness them walk the walk along with their talk.
what.. a.. fucktard... just wow. and what a bastardization of David Lynch's name.... funny such a homophobe would like David Lynch, because i assume Lynch is for gay rights considering he often features homosexuals in his films and Mulholland Dr.'s 2 main characters are lesbians.
I assume single people don't have married rights because a single person is not a married person. Ex: medical benefits for your spouse. If you are single then you obviously don't have a spouse and thus the need to share the benefits with your spouse. This example could be extended into social security, inheritance and financial benefits. The argument at hand is over married rights. I, as a single person, have just the same rights as my single friends. That is not what is being argued here.
Dumbass, you do not care about freedom of expression. If you did, you'd say otherwise. Fuck me, you contradict yourself in the same breath and you don't even realise it. Christ, that's bad.
This dickhead tries to pass off as this really intelligent character with valid points, but he just pawns himself. He exposes himself for being a dumbass, clearly.
Enjoyed you approach in this video. While watching, I Kind of felt like I was back in class with a difficult, impassioned tutor. Its a divisive and difficult issue to address without becoming emotionally emblazed. Be well and happy. Kind and warm regards to you and yours. Take care.
this whole gay marrage fight is all over these christians that think gays are bad well this is why i am proud to be wiccan we welcome all we'll marry any one as long as both agree upon it
I think when he said "single people can't get married," what he meant was "one person cannot get married to no one," or "one cannot get married without someone to whom he or she is getting married." I think he was trying to show that there are already restrictions on marriage that we all find completely reasonable. Not that this helps his argument: gays aren't trying to gain the right to marry no one, they want the right to marry someone they love, like everyone else.
Oh there's bound to be a negative. Um orphans given loving homes probably won't commit crimes. By not commiting crimes they won't go to prison and piss off some guy in the yard and get shanked thus confining that shanker to prison for life. aha! gay marriage puts criminals on the streets.
Second, wouldn't the person, if he gets out of prison, not want to go back? I mean if he really needed to, he would shank a guard or something. Maybe himself if he gets desperate. But if he didn't shank anyone, then he could see that shanking is useless.
I would pay money to see that guy answering questions that require the use of common sense and logic. I think he would make a worthy competitor for miss teem south Carolina.
"That 70's Show", one of the last couple seasons.
Fez was granted legal status by marrying Eric's sister Lori (who everyone knows is a slut).
Or "Simpsons", where Homer and Ned went to Las Vegas for a day and ended up getting maried to some dancers, even though Homer and Ned were already married.(Gotta love Vegas XD)
TV shows may nudge reality. But they don't do it too much when they make a political point.
When will ppl every get over this gay marriage stuff? There is so many more important things this country should be thinking about and debating on, not something as obvious as the right to marry whom we wish. The whole is just a joke. If it wasnt for religion trying to keep ppl as primitive as possible, this wouldnt even be a topic.
Crosisborg, your channel is probably one of my favorites that I have subscribed to. You are SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO logical. I wish all of America would watch your channel... oh, and mine too hehehe!
Your work here was excellent Crosis! Nevertheless, I get the impression that DavidLynch007 is a victim of MUCH more than people believe: He continues to state that he can't marry because he's "single". He understands the biological predisposition to preferring the same sex. I think David is a gay man reared in this shithole of a faith.
It's sad that videos like this are still necessary, but I sure as hell am glad someone's doing them, and I can hardly think of a person more suitable than Crosisborg.
You made plenty of good arguments, here's my short and sweet question for the moron in question. You say everyone has the same rights, just different preferences, therefore homosexuals should be content. Let's turn the tables and say that only homosexual marriage was legal. Would you be okay with that?
DavidLynch has 14 videos, 13 of which are involved with the Phelps assholes. The video you are answering is done with his face in shadow, like the coward he is. This person wants you to think he is for everyone's rights, but he loves people who bash gays. If he had the courage of his convictions he would show his face. Even that vile Fred Phelps and his whole family show their faces. Not this Lynch coward.
Just to be accurate Crosis, in the case of California Prop 8, this was a case of rights being taken away. In California, same sex marriage was perfectly legal until the passing of prop 8. So in this case, they already had the right and it was absolutely taken away. Great video!
No offense, this is a great video and you thoroughly owned that guy, but could you go after a little tougher argument next time? This guy obviously had no clue what he was talking about and didn't even present a cohesive "argument" against gay marriage. I'm sure there's got to be someone out there who's at least competent to argue the point, but it sure isn't this DavidLynch guy. 5*
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crosisborg, the guy you are arguing with cant explain himself. you should not cursed him the way you did, just for tying to say what he believes. i dont believe gays should ever be married, a marriage should always be between a man and a woman. A woman was made for a man, thats the only way we reproduce. even you know that. i dont think you are an idiot, just defending the wrong things. i deeply believe in the GODLY way. a woman to a man.
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"fuck you too then" lol. just as i thought another idiot trying to explain his foolish self. u are a fool crosiborg. u should not be defending gays u should be defending retarded people like youself. you retards get picked on too.
Dude, why can't you get this through your skull. GAYS ARE NOT HAPPY MARRYING THE OPPOSITE SEX!! If they're physically attracted to someone of the same sex, it shouldn't even be an issue for them to get married. Another narrow minded prick that just can't accept gay marriage.
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i am defending the righteous way of life. why do gays even want to be married, why would they want to go in a church. when the church is the same people that curse them. a woman was made for a man, thats how a jackass like u got here or did you come through some faggot shit hole. why are you defending these nasty faggots or are you one yourself.
Dude, see that's what I'm talking about. "God" is one of the things i don't believe and never will believe in. "Nasty faggots".... wow dude denying them the right to marry who they love is like saying blacks can't marry each other.
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did you read over what you wrote jonothandavis. u sounded really uneducated the way you compared, black people marrying each other to faggots marrying. black people is just a race of people, so u cant compare it to the behaviour of mentally ill faggots,that push their dicks into a next man's shit hole and u defend this type of behaviour. jonothandavis are you a nasty faggot yourself? if you are ask GOD for help. u need it.
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i am not suprise that you dont believe in GOD. after i realise that u are defending faggots. but GOD is real, he proved it to me time after time in my life. i am blessed. i am sorry that you dont believe in GOD jonothandavise. you need to take a look at youself and ask how you got on earth. u sound so hopeless.
No, God isn't real. I got here because my mom and dad had sex dude. Before you ask how humanity was created, we evolved from single-celled bacteria from a meteorite that collided with earth. I sound hopeless? You're the one who types like a fucking five year old. And dude, you're just a hate filled, fucking shell of a person. You're a bigot, discussion is over.
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i am glad u know that you are here because your mun and dad had sex.that proved my point. that a man to a woman is the right way and the only way we can reproduce. jonothan you are a retarded faggot and your reason for the creation of humanity is ridiculous, take time and study the world and everything in it did single-celled bacteria created it all. you are a fool. u nasty faggots need mental help and stop calling me 'dude' all the time u sound so retarded.
What the fuck is the point in arguing with me? I've won, and another thing, I'M NOT GAY I just believe they should have equal rights, you don't have to make yourself look even more retarded with your shitty ass grammar.
Your grammar makes you look like a pre-pubescent little spoiled fuckhead of a child. And you're right, I shouldn't call you a dude because you're a fucking transvestite.
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you are right it makes no point arguing with a illiterate faggot like you. ' u won' lol, u cant even argue, u are a forty year old fool here on youtube defending nasty faggots like yourself and calling me a 'transvestite' u gays are well known for being transvestites jonothan, at forty u should know better u continue to make yourself look like a low life faggot. im going back to the point now. A WOMAN TO A MAN IS THE RIGHT AND ONLY WAY TO REPRODUCE.
Now, you're missing the point. Gays want to marry someone they love, not just someone to reproduce with. You, on the other hand would probably marry an ugly ass skank if you could just have a child with her. AND I'M NOT GAY. it's sad that people like you are so intolerant, that you take rights away from people that are equal. Oh and you're blocked, bible-pushing mother fucker.
often i see people owning others, but it dosnt seem like clear ownage, but at about 4:00 mins in, when you said about the voting democrat ect. you really fucking owned him haha nice
This moron contradicts his arguments against gay marriage. If he exercises his right to get married let us hope he does not have the ability to procreate.
There are a few states that have laws in their Constitutions that forbid atheists the rights to run for any elected office or to testify in any court of law. Would David support legislation that would allow atheists nationwide to run for political office and to testify in any courts of law? Somehow I doubt that he would support this. I wonder if he realizes that nobody is born married.
I got big lulz out of the "single people can't get married" comment. How the fuck else can you do it? Sounds like you'd have to be into polygamy for it to work the other way.
i will say that straight people should have the right to marry the same sex... :P
I have cheech and chong in mind(yes silly example) they live together, they do EVERYTHING together, they probably know each other more then anyone else(in the movies)
However they are not SEXUALLY attracted to one and another..
At one point in this nation, we were free/had the right, to injest in it..
The government took that right away..
HOWEVER, they didn't take it away from ME persay..
In this guy's skewed view.. if a generation passes with a unjust law.. is it all of a sudden okay? Because now the government technicaly didn't take the right away from THIS generation..
It's not something that they took away from them(homosexuals)? He's kidding right? That's an argument? They didn't take away black people right to vote either. They never had one to begin with.
Oh my god, this guy is driving me crazy. What kind of twisted world does he live in? How is asking for the same rights as a heterosexual, ie. the right to marry the person you love, asking for extra rights? You can try and spin it anyway you like but at the end of the day, Prop8 endorses inequality.
I think I figured out what he meant by that. I think he's saying that a single person cannot get married... by him/herself! He's right of course, but it's still a moronic statement.
By the way, the title of these videos is unfortunate because it implies David Lynch (the director) is a bigot, which I doubt.
Gay people can get married imo but it seems like gay parents adopting and raising a child seems weird to me.
Selotrum 5 months ago
the guy on this video is GAY, athiest should not worry about gay people, only christians do, i've seen this guy around the TAMPA bay area, if someone sees him, FUCK HIM, he needs a big nigga dick up his ass
Godlovesblacksonly 5 months ago
@bastebevolimja Sin is not real.
Crosisborg 6 months ago
Why are most of these comments agreeing with David?
TheLoveFreaks 6 months ago
@TheLoveFreaks Because bigots are everywhere
Crosisborg 6 months ago
who are you to sprook what us gays want. are you a gay man? have you been elected or do you represent an organisation of gay and lesbians or is this just your view? you sitting around, getting mad at others peoples videos is pathetic. you don't have the intelligence to critique the comments without becoming abusive, your opinions are irrelevant. I disagree of course with the subject matter you are ranting about. Why do you seem to only focus on gay men.
TheIconoclasst 1 year ago
@RepresentingTruth
2% of the us population is gay? well i assume your speaking of the mind set and not the action because in reality 40% of men have had a gay experience bahaha
wetdream09 1 year ago
@wetdream09 how do you know?
ninjascroll6789 11 months ago
Haha @"Wait, what? Single people aren't allowed to get married? Where the fuck are you from?" LOL Aren't ignorant people so easy to pick apart? Great videos man.
MrDip4U 1 year ago
I've watched a few of your videos now & it seems the thread running through them is frustration and tension and anger. When you subject yourself to small minded people it makes your blood boil. So stop doing it. Unplug your internet and go & hang out with some cool people or something.
Seeing someone so disgruntled & angry & trying to win arguments that can't be won is kind of sad. Debating CAN become addictive, sure, but it can't be that much fun bashing your head against a brick wall can it?
milkenobi 1 year ago
...damn this kid is killing my brain cells here. My head hurts just the same XD
Takiado 1 year ago
1:45 All I can say is, HIGH FIVE bro!
fireserpent77 1 year ago
Yeah David,,,I second his last statement..LOL
Scottiepoo5612 2 years ago
Ya know, I really dislike people like him. Close-minded people can be ignorant when they want to be.
dreamer22220 2 years ago
does lynch really think that these points are valid or even logically sound? this is comedy mixed with logic gotta love it
SilverPolarBear1 2 years ago 2
go ahead mr selenadelos. "let the blind lead the blind and they both fall into the ditch" how many will you lead down that way? Only time will tell.
RepresentingTruth 2 years ago
All that is very quaint, but did you answer one of those questions. Mr Selenadelos is only asking for you to answer very simple on topic questions, but again, all you can do is reply with your cynical little meaningless quotes and cute insults, grow up already.
selenadelos 2 years ago
OMG DavidLynch007 is so wishy washy it's almost hard to listen to this guy. Thanks for this video, I'm all for gay marriage, let people marry who they love.. plain and simple
fire2icewitch 2 years ago
and heteros can marry someone they dont even know- and get 1400 federal rights handed to them to a silver platter.....as opposed to same sex cpl who've been together decades.
rextrek 2 years ago
wow that guy is realy dum hahaha i have the right to stand on my head with penut butter on my hands and bananas on my feet... dosent mean i want to so dos that mean there should be a law that says you cant
shaneyd38 2 years ago
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here is a good stat
through 2007 death of aids victoms
Men having sex with men 487,695
drug users 175,704 (what about this. IAm I a bigot for saying that is wrong also? I have a nephew living with us and it was not a pretty site)
MSM and drug use 71,242
hetrosexual high risk 63,927
other 12,108
so a bigot to you is one that cares about people dying premature? sound like a twisted concept to me that DEATH is the fruit of this perversion.
RepresentingTruth 2 years ago
You are not at risk according to you so its none of your fucking business. If I or any person chooses to engage in activity that is dangerous then thats our business. And dont try to pull that insurance rates affect all of us bullshit either because I dont see you being outspoken about tobacco and alcohol. You are a bigot and thats the simple truth.
Crosisborg 2 years ago
Why don`t you take your lame ass arguments to a board discussing AID`s,, Crosisborg I have had an ongoing debate with this hate filled gay bashing scrub. The subject was and still is "Gay Marriage" I truly believe him to be mentally handicapped.
selenadelos 2 years ago
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from cdc
"(1 ), male-to-male sexual contact continues to represent
the most frequently reported mode of HIV transmission among persons with
AIDS"
RepresentingTruth 2 years ago
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selenadelos 2 years ago
((MSM made up more than two thirds (68%) of all men living with HIV in 2005, even though only about 5% to 7% of men in the United States reported having sex with other men.)) This REPRESENTINGLIES ,Came directly from the CDC WEBSITE ,,This is the number of men that admitted to being,many won`t admit because of the bigotry they face, now tell us some more fibs !!!!!!!
selenadelos 2 years ago
dude amen he sounds like my trainer at work in the afternoon i cant pay attention.....i think my brain is starting to leek out of my ears lol guys a dumass
shaneyd38 2 years ago
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So if a husband were to die and he had a son 25 years old. Are you saying that he can now marry his mom? Yes if he loves his mom and wants to marry her would you support that since that is who he is. I am just using your standard to see if it works. BTW his mom loves his son. Crosisborg do you have the wisdom for this? I am all ears.
RepresentingTruth 2 years ago
RepresentingTruth, Why do we have laws against Incest, because it`s proven that this causes Birth Defects and Dementia, if it were just morality, I would say let them marry if their sterile. Just as Gay men and women should have every right to marriage, if it harms none then do as you please .
selenadelos 2 years ago
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"if it harms none then do as you please "
2 things wrong here.
1). Morality is based on right and wrong not if it harms someone or not. this is a classic attempt to redefine morality just like they have redefined marriage.
2) people in support of gay marriage point out all the problems with traditional marriage such as divorce, cheating, and child abuse. They fail to bring out the divorce, cheating and child abuse of the homosexual. If it harms no one why 50% of aids because of gays?
RepresentingTruth 2 years ago
Wrong again, Its all about if it does not harm no one its none of your business, and as far as Morality whom defines this you those Christians or Muslims,and your final #2 section what are you saying they can,t marry so Divorce ? Cheating straight people don`t cheat ! please and the last I checked it`s hetrosexual Males that molest children and that is by far!!! Fine you keep the church out of state matters ,like CIVIL UNIONS that have nothing to do with your evil christian dogma.
selenadelos 2 years ago
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"Wrong again, Its all about if it does not harm no one its none of your business"
no it does harm so it becomes my business.
how brillant to say that hetrosexual molest more children than gays. well did it enter your mind than 98% of the pop. is more than 2% of the pop? Maybe just maybe that might be? However 2% of the pop is gay and is responsible for over 50% of all new aids cases. Sounds like a lifestyle of death to me.
RepresentingTruth 2 years ago
No them Marrying is related to the AIDs Virus how is that RepresentingDelision ? The issue fool was GAY MARRIAGE,,not disease that`s another topic, but your a bigot so your hate blinded you . AS to Child Molestation another out of place topic , 2% of the population try between the low Est 8% upwards to a Est 14% ,which many hide their sexuality so its hard to est exact #s ,due to the hate they meet from gays like yourself that are hiding behind their hate. so stop making #s up
selenadelos 2 years ago
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well well I love how you avoid the facts and make up you own. My source is Center for disease control and prevention what is your source? btw I did not even give the stat for the other diseases that gays are the hightest contributors to but I can. What is the source of your 8-14%?
RepresentingTruth 2 years ago
You are a hate filled bigot who is guilty of the most aweful child abuse known to mankind. You created a monster of a child filled with your hate. I hope one day she turns her back on you and you die without the love of your daughter.
Crosisborg 2 years ago
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well well is that the best you can do Crosisborg? Is it hateful to tell someone that you do not believe in smoking? is that hateful or is that an health issue. People die because of smoking and people die because of AIDS. Since when is it hateful to show the death sentence of a lifestyle that the fruit of it is Death? you Crosisborg have nothing else better to do than to pick on Christian girls that live a pure lifestyle. Is that the legacy that you want to leave behind?
RepresentingTruth 2 years ago
you daughter is a twat and you made her that way. I hope she turns lesibian and hooks up with a black muslim
Crosisborg 2 years ago
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No my daughter is a Woman of God and has more charactor than you ever will. Your name calling does not impress. what about the deaths of AIDS? Does that even matter to you? come on nearly 500,000 dead and what is your mindset You are this and that. Crosisborg my girl does not support what you support and that is leaving aside common sense to be a gross, shameful and deadly lifestyle. What is worst Mr Crosisborg you support of death or my stance on health?
RepresentingTruth 2 years ago
Representing Truth, two gay men in a marriage with each other, explain to us how in your mind keeping them from doing this is going to help stop the spread of AID`s ?
selenadelos 2 years ago
What are you proposing that should be done to LGB people to stop the disease of AID`s ? I would not bet on getting to any clear answer to any questions because hes in denial about his hatred, Representing Truth did you get raped in prison or something, whats up with you ?
selenadelos 2 years ago
Oh if this guy has a daughter put good thoughts out for her, she needs all the positive energy she can get to not become infected with his hate. Wishing Ill on her cause of his evil is wrong, it will bring bad energy to you.
selenadelos 2 years ago
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So Mr Selenadelos you are starting to bore me. so I will stay focus in helping people cope with broken relationships and the trials in their lives and make a positive impact and you continue with your hate to those that believe in right and wrong. have a nice eternity
RepresentingTruth 2 years ago
Well Miss Representing Truth, I thought I would get a response like this from you!. Because you have no rational grounds for your stance on Gay Marriage, that is why you talked about everything but Gay Marriage. Instead of being cute with the Mr Selenadelos insult, why don`t you respond like an adult and answer my questions ?. Know I do not hate anyone, you hate me because I don`t see morality in the same way as you, I have morals and a sense of right and wrong, you have a nice one as well.
selenadelos 2 years ago
Actualy, I learned in my science class last year that AIDs were NOT started by homosexuals. So shut the F*ck up.
dreamer22220 1 year ago
@dreamer22220 But 2% of the pop in the US (gays) are responsible for over 50% of all new AIDS cases. I guess you like death by sex.
RepresentingTruth 1 year ago
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selenadelos 2 years ago
Further more I said I believe the number would be 14% and many Gay&Lesbian organizations granted a bias source, but I believe it to be the truth, As I said how is this related to gay people marrying? Your just full of hate and bulls**t like every Racist n Sexist in the world,go slither off ignorant wonder.
selenadelos 2 years ago
If your statements were 100% true,which they,er not and all but the most blind know this. Gay Marriage would still be none of your Homophobic business,and the topics you bring up are not related to the Subject, again Gay Marriage hurts no one still true as when I said it the first time. Further I think the hate speech Christians teach from their Bible or book of murder and slavery and sexism,We should deny Christians the priviledge of raising children !
selenadelos 2 years ago
the voting example is the PERFECT example, can I quote you? haha awesome.
peaceandloveinaction 2 years ago
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Humanity Is Deliberately Ignorant Of God
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yashua777 2 years ago
"Singles can't get married"? omg is he f-ing mentally challenged? Please someone run him over.
nibargerswife51482 2 years ago 7
Thank you for this vid Crosisborg nice to see a bigot owned. I live in an area where because I'm a butch lesbian I have to be scared. Because just by walking around "i'm rubbing it in their faces." It gives me hope that more and more people "get it."
gentlebutch 2 years ago 3
Crosis thank you so much for standing up for the equal rights!!! *claps* The other guy is so freakin boring & I don't know how you could handle hearing him for that long.
Poeboi 2 years ago 2
Crosis you're great. the content and quality of this video is as expected. good to see you making videos again. I'm a big fan of your work keep them coming. DavidLynch007 is a dumb ass. Get with the program dude.
Anubis665 2 years ago 3
Ugh! These idiots keep going on about this imaginary conspiracy involving homosexuals. Man, I'm sick of it!
zumbrella927 2 years ago
Yet, in most of the Western world, except the United States, Italy, Portugal, and Greece, gay marriage is legal. Furthermore, it is acceptable for men and women in Japan to be gay.
Those countries did not spiral into economic, social or civil panic. It is only im places where religions have the dominant sway where this argument is ever used.
JakobAmbrose 2 years ago 2
ROFL!!!
Crosis, you are fucking hilarious dude. Always entertaining. 5/5. This guy is a retard..
iamericwhite 2 years ago
Jonothan I would even talk to this jdog he is only calling you a faggot because he is projecting his own sexual urges
Braynok89 2 years ago 6
Please keep making videos :)
StarshineQuinn 2 years ago
single people cant get married? what? im sorry crosisborg can u explain that to me? because im seriously confused, and he controdicted himself when he said one second "ppl say "oh ur saying gays cant married" thats not true" then later he says "two males dont have the right to get married" wtf has this guy been smoking?
nicholasjhalpern 2 years ago 3
Enjoyed your video and responses to this argument. I constantly hear that gay people need to go back and read the bible to expand their minds on this issue. It's clear to me that they are expanding their minds because they have to fight this ignorance from mostly the religious groups. I see so much hatred spewed from religious mouth's. I hear them saw God is about love and acceptance but have yet to witness them walk the walk along with their talk.
fimale2fimale 2 years ago 2
A year ago I would have said that this is a troll but now...
Excellent video btw.
J0achym 2 years ago
what.. a.. fucktard... just wow. and what a bastardization of David Lynch's name.... funny such a homophobe would like David Lynch, because i assume Lynch is for gay rights considering he often features homosexuals in his films and Mulholland Dr.'s 2 main characters are lesbians.
Sean2046 2 years ago 4
And lol that 'Single People can't get married' shit made me nearly fall off my seat. xD'; -snorts- Where does he think married people come from?
moltentigerclaw 2 years ago 2
I think what he meant was that he couldn't consider himself 'married' because he is single. While the definition of marriage is at least two people.
Which brings up another question: Why don't single people get the same rights as married couples? Why are people punished for being single?
If you are truly for equal rights then you'd also be pressing for the rights of the single as well as of gays.
barbedknives 2 years ago
I assume single people don't have married rights because a single person is not a married person. Ex: medical benefits for your spouse. If you are single then you obviously don't have a spouse and thus the need to share the benefits with your spouse. This example could be extended into social security, inheritance and financial benefits. The argument at hand is over married rights. I, as a single person, have just the same rights as my single friends. That is not what is being argued here.
fimale2fimale 2 years ago
Technical memo - his IQ drops dead.
The voting for the Democrats is a brilliant analogy. And a new one too.
What is with the holier-than-thou-attitude that these dumbasses enjoy? "We all have the same rights... but thank god I can marry a girl?"
RogueLennox 2 years ago
Nice comparison with the voting for the Democrat.
GypsyWytch13 2 years ago
To the Lynch007 prick.
Dumbass, you do not care about freedom of expression. If you did, you'd say otherwise. Fuck me, you contradict yourself in the same breath and you don't even realise it. Christ, that's bad.
Domzdream 2 years ago
This dickhead tries to pass off as this really intelligent character with valid points, but he just pawns himself. He exposes himself for being a dumbass, clearly.
Domzdream 2 years ago
Enjoyed you approach in this video. While watching, I Kind of felt like I was back in class with a difficult, impassioned tutor. Its a divisive and difficult issue to address without becoming emotionally emblazed. Be well and happy. Kind and warm regards to you and yours. Take care.
Lanark8 2 years ago
this whole gay marrage fight is all over these christians that think gays are bad well this is why i am proud to be wiccan we welcome all we'll marry any one as long as both agree upon it
loki82 2 years ago
DID HE DIE?
spungii117 2 years ago
"Single people can't get married"?!!?
"You can't even prove a person is homosexual" ?!!?
Wow, can someone say total idiot. This kid fails at life.
preachersaredumb 2 years ago
great vid five stars.
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that guy is a fucking moron....
BrianJunglist 2 years ago
I think when he said "single people can't get married," what he meant was "one person cannot get married to no one," or "one cannot get married without someone to whom he or she is getting married." I think he was trying to show that there are already restrictions on marriage that we all find completely reasonable. Not that this helps his argument: gays aren't trying to gain the right to marry no one, they want the right to marry someone they love, like everyone else.
Quite a fool indeed.
agwellin 2 years ago
Id still like to know how gays marrying affects straights???
rextrek 2 years ago 4
IT DESTROYS OUR FAMILY VALUES!!11!!!!!!!
Or some bullshit like that.
438MillionBC 2 years ago
It messes up the divorce rates, actually decreasing divorces because gays are more in love with their partners?
It provides orphans capable, loving homes?
It betters the economy by producing family groupings and tax-rates?
It allows a general tolerance of people based on who they are?
Are these enough?
Wait, but none of those are negative...
onijester56 2 years ago
Oh there's bound to be a negative. Um orphans given loving homes probably won't commit crimes. By not commiting crimes they won't go to prison and piss off some guy in the yard and get shanked thus confining that shanker to prison for life. aha! gay marriage puts criminals on the streets.
ratholin 2 years ago
Well, first off less criminals is always good.
Second, wouldn't the person, if he gets out of prison, not want to go back? I mean if he really needed to, he would shank a guard or something. Maybe himself if he gets desperate. But if he didn't shank anyone, then he could see that shanking is useless.
XD
[This is a great "debate" we are having...]
onijester56 2 years ago
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Gays marrying has ONE negative effect !! It makes christians grow little horns on their forehead. :-)
westcoast71654 2 years ago 2
LOL!!!! That is soooo true...i am so glad i am gay
staraction 2 years ago
I would pay money to see that guy answering questions that require the use of common sense and logic. I think he would make a worthy competitor for miss teem south Carolina.
ArtypNk 2 years ago
I guess he verbally staggered and lurched in his video because he was trying to justify his opinion as he went along, which he utterly failed to do.
Great video. : )
phenixwryter 2 years ago
His claim that it is not discrimination can equally be turned around and applied to those of Religion.
"You have the right, as everyone else does, to worship Allah, but you cannot worship YHWH"
ThetaOmega 2 years ago
I think he meant that you need to be in a relationship to get married, you can't do it with a stranger for self serving reason (citizenship I guess).
shalylol 2 years ago
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Even if he meant that you have to be in a relationship with another person in order to get married , he's still wrong !
You can walk up to any person on the street and and ask if they want to marry you ! happens all the time in vegas LOL.
westcoast71654 2 years ago 2
"That 70's Show", one of the last couple seasons.
Fez was granted legal status by marrying Eric's sister Lori (who everyone knows is a slut).
Or "Simpsons", where Homer and Ned went to Las Vegas for a day and ended up getting maried to some dancers, even though Homer and Ned were already married.(Gotta love Vegas XD)
TV shows may nudge reality. But they don't do it too much when they make a political point.
onijester56 2 years ago
roflmao
"Single people cannot get married."
What in the flying fuck is he talking about?! LMAO!
nathanforst 2 years ago
The stupidity of the common folk never ceases to amaze.
Atrocitas6 2 years ago
I´ve thought about the statement he can´t marry because he is single. I think he means he can´t find a woman stupid enough to marry him!
kirafan68 2 years ago 3
if stupidity were like martial arts.... this guy would be a black belt. How does a person get that stupid?
StrangeOne1987 2 years ago 6
When will ppl every get over this gay marriage stuff? There is so many more important things this country should be thinking about and debating on, not something as obvious as the right to marry whom we wish. The whole is just a joke. If it wasnt for religion trying to keep ppl as primitive as possible, this wouldnt even be a topic.
lindsaylou04 2 years ago 4
single people can't get married? wtf?
Francie32 2 years ago
He probably means that single people can't get married.... by themselves, to themselves, as it would be.
Doctrinius 2 years ago
LOL at "OMG would you please speak faster?" I wish the rest of the country would allow same sex marriage...FREEDOM rules..
Francie32 2 years ago 4
Crosisborg, your channel is probably one of my favorites that I have subscribed to. You are SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO logical. I wish all of America would watch your channel... oh, and mine too hehehe!
philip0460 2 years ago
your rights are inherent within you!
your rights do NOT come from the government nor do they come from the constitution.
you do NOT need permission from the government to do what you have a right to do.
SuperAtheist 2 years ago 2
Your work here was excellent Crosis! Nevertheless, I get the impression that DavidLynch007 is a victim of MUCH more than people believe: He continues to state that he can't marry because he's "single". He understands the biological predisposition to preferring the same sex. I think David is a gay man reared in this shithole of a faith.
carnedelobo 2 years ago
that makes seance
educatedAtheist 2 years ago
"that makes seance"
that makes no sense! :P
mrlovespread2006 2 years ago
lol SORRY typo
educatedAtheist 2 years ago
You want to summon spirits?
JohnTraviss 2 years ago
That guy contradicted himself a lot.. XD.. Thanks for supporting gay couples Crosis!
Spellslinger2 2 years ago
It's sad that videos like this are still necessary, but I sure as hell am glad someone's doing them, and I can hardly think of a person more suitable than Crosisborg.
You made plenty of good arguments, here's my short and sweet question for the moron in question. You say everyone has the same rights, just different preferences, therefore homosexuals should be content. Let's turn the tables and say that only homosexual marriage was legal. Would you be okay with that?
Didn't think so...
Doctrinius 2 years ago
DavidLynch has 14 videos, 13 of which are involved with the Phelps assholes. The video you are answering is done with his face in shadow, like the coward he is. This person wants you to think he is for everyone's rights, but he loves people who bash gays. If he had the courage of his convictions he would show his face. Even that vile Fred Phelps and his whole family show their faces. Not this Lynch coward.
Largo64 2 years ago
Great stuff as always man. 5/5 stars.
PaganRon 2 years ago
...Did he actually say it's offensive that gays want equal rights at 9:30?
Rossicspwn 2 years ago
Awesome. What a retard? Well done, Crosis.
Chuloloc 2 years ago
WELL DONE Crosisborg!!
You nailed his homophobic arguments to the floor!!
You should have been a lawyer.
Favourited. TEN STARS!!
plato12000 2 years ago
Just to be accurate Crosis, in the case of California Prop 8, this was a case of rights being taken away. In California, same sex marriage was perfectly legal until the passing of prop 8. So in this case, they already had the right and it was absolutely taken away. Great video!
h8uall66 2 years ago 3
Well at least YT welcome The Downs Syndrome to make vids, but I also think its good his parents keep his face off camera.
Clemburke1111 2 years ago
No offense, this is a great video and you thoroughly owned that guy, but could you go after a little tougher argument next time? This guy obviously had no clue what he was talking about and didn't even present a cohesive "argument" against gay marriage. I'm sure there's got to be someone out there who's at least competent to argue the point, but it sure isn't this DavidLynch guy. 5*
ZwiffleOwnsU 2 years ago
Well there are others who are far smarter than Lynch I could have gone after but he emailed me with his link. I cant just ignore that.
Crosisborg 2 years ago
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crosisborg, the guy you are arguing with cant explain himself. you should not cursed him the way you did, just for tying to say what he believes. i dont believe gays should ever be married, a marriage should always be between a man and a woman. A woman was made for a man, thats the only way we reproduce. even you know that. i dont think you are an idiot, just defending the wrong things. i deeply believe in the GODLY way. a woman to a man.
jdog1life 2 years ago
Fuck you too then
Crosisborg 2 years ago
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"fuck you too then" lol. just as i thought another idiot trying to explain his foolish self. u are a fool crosiborg. u should not be defending gays u should be defending retarded people like youself. you retards get picked on too.
jdog1life 2 years ago
Dude, why can't you get this through your skull. GAYS ARE NOT HAPPY MARRYING THE OPPOSITE SEX!! If they're physically attracted to someone of the same sex, it shouldn't even be an issue for them to get married. Another narrow minded prick that just can't accept gay marriage.
jonothandavis 2 years ago 2
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i am defending the righteous way of life. why do gays even want to be married, why would they want to go in a church. when the church is the same people that curse them. a woman was made for a man, thats how a jackass like u got here or did you come through some faggot shit hole. why are you defending these nasty faggots or are you one yourself.
jdog1life 2 years ago
Dude, see that's what I'm talking about. "God" is one of the things i don't believe and never will believe in. "Nasty faggots".... wow dude denying them the right to marry who they love is like saying blacks can't marry each other.
jonothandavis 2 years ago
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did you read over what you wrote jonothandavis. u sounded really uneducated the way you compared, black people marrying each other to faggots marrying. black people is just a race of people, so u cant compare it to the behaviour of mentally ill faggots,that push their dicks into a next man's shit hole and u defend this type of behaviour. jonothandavis are you a nasty faggot yourself? if you are ask GOD for help. u need it.
jdog1life 2 years ago
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i am not suprise that you dont believe in GOD. after i realise that u are defending faggots. but GOD is real, he proved it to me time after time in my life. i am blessed. i am sorry that you dont believe in GOD jonothandavise. you need to take a look at youself and ask how you got on earth. u sound so hopeless.
jdog1life 2 years ago
No, God isn't real. I got here because my mom and dad had sex dude. Before you ask how humanity was created, we evolved from single-celled bacteria from a meteorite that collided with earth. I sound hopeless? You're the one who types like a fucking five year old. And dude, you're just a hate filled, fucking shell of a person. You're a bigot, discussion is over.
jonothandavis 2 years ago 4
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i am glad u know that you are here because your mun and dad had sex.that proved my point. that a man to a woman is the right way and the only way we can reproduce. jonothan you are a retarded faggot and your reason for the creation of humanity is ridiculous, take time and study the world and everything in it did single-celled bacteria created it all. you are a fool. u nasty faggots need mental help and stop calling me 'dude' all the time u sound so retarded.
jdog1life 2 years ago
What the fuck is the point in arguing with me? I've won, and another thing, I'M NOT GAY I just believe they should have equal rights, you don't have to make yourself look even more retarded with your shitty ass grammar.
Your grammar makes you look like a pre-pubescent little spoiled fuckhead of a child. And you're right, I shouldn't call you a dude because you're a fucking transvestite.
jonothandavis 2 years ago 4
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you are right it makes no point arguing with a illiterate faggot like you. ' u won' lol, u cant even argue, u are a forty year old fool here on youtube defending nasty faggots like yourself and calling me a 'transvestite' u gays are well known for being transvestites jonothan, at forty u should know better u continue to make yourself look like a low life faggot. im going back to the point now. A WOMAN TO A MAN IS THE RIGHT AND ONLY WAY TO REPRODUCE.
jdog1life 2 years ago
Now, you're missing the point. Gays want to marry someone they love, not just someone to reproduce with. You, on the other hand would probably marry an ugly ass skank if you could just have a child with her. AND I'M NOT GAY. it's sad that people like you are so intolerant, that you take rights away from people that are equal. Oh and you're blocked, bible-pushing mother fucker.
jonothandavis 2 years ago 8
If I could I'd give you an asprin through the computer I know your head must hurt after hearing that garbage.
Excelion333 2 years ago
often i see people owning others, but it dosnt seem like clear ownage, but at about 4:00 mins in, when you said about the voting democrat ect. you really fucking owned him haha nice
MagixReborn 2 years ago
Agreed! Top-of-the-line ownage there.
drunkasssteve 2 years ago 2
3:19 = 5 stars right there.
0rcryst 2 years ago
This moron contradicts his arguments against gay marriage. If he exercises his right to get married let us hope he does not have the ability to procreate.
brokensoul70 2 years ago
There are a few states that have laws in their Constitutions that forbid atheists the rights to run for any elected office or to testify in any court of law. Would David support legislation that would allow atheists nationwide to run for political office and to testify in any courts of law? Somehow I doubt that he would support this. I wonder if he realizes that nobody is born married.
junk007stock 2 years ago
This David Lynch kid is an intellectual midget.
Rahab111222 2 years ago 2
"You can't prove that someone is homosexual." Yeah, just like you can't prove that someone is heterosexual lol.
TheStig000 2 years ago
Your Vote analogy is spot fucking on! That one argument alone destroys his argument.
TheAtheistPaladin 2 years ago 4
That voting analogy was brilliant. Honest and blunt.
AznDemonLord 2 years ago 6
I got big lulz out of the "single people can't get married" comment. How the fuck else can you do it? Sounds like you'd have to be into polygamy for it to work the other way.
This guy is an oxygen thief, well done crosis.
JACKtheRIPP3R189 2 years ago 2
He probably meant a person cannot get married alone. Which is correct but an idiotic thing to say.
Deathinmusic 2 years ago
i will say that straight people should have the right to marry the same sex... :P
I have cheech and chong in mind(yes silly example) they live together, they do EVERYTHING together, they probably know each other more then anyone else(in the movies)
However they are not SEXUALLY attracted to one and another..
thefakeyeti 2 years ago
Which reminds me of something else..
MARIJUANA..
At one point in this nation, we were free/had the right, to injest in it..
The government took that right away..
HOWEVER, they didn't take it away from ME persay..
In this guy's skewed view.. if a generation passes with a unjust law.. is it all of a sudden okay? Because now the government technicaly didn't take the right away from THIS generation..
thefakeyeti 2 years ago 2
he admits that they cannot help their attraction to the same sex..
They cannot marry those they find attractive, thoug he can..
That is not equal rights, that should be "nuff said"
thefakeyeti 2 years ago
They will boldly state they respect gay people but then so blatantly stand in their way for no reason other than bigotry. The assholes.
Shalek 2 years ago
Excellent analogy Crosisborg. The voting analogy.
Textra1 2 years ago 2
It's not something that they took away from them(homosexuals)? He's kidding right? That's an argument? They didn't take away black people right to vote either. They never had one to begin with.
Oh my god, this guy is driving me crazy. What kind of twisted world does he live in? How is asking for the same rights as a heterosexual, ie. the right to marry the person you love, asking for extra rights? You can try and spin it anyway you like but at the end of the day, Prop8 endorses inequality.
Textra1 2 years ago 6
Single people don't have the right to get married? lol
Justinfh2point0 2 years ago 7
I guess nobody ever got married lol.
TheStig000 2 years ago 2
I think I figured out what he meant by that. I think he's saying that a single person cannot get married... by him/herself! He's right of course, but it's still a moronic statement.
By the way, the title of these videos is unfortunate because it implies David Lynch (the director) is a bigot, which I doubt.
Deathinmusic 2 years ago
I'm single . . . I can never get married? What? Can you feel the confusion?
cjclifford 2 years ago 2
I'm feelin' the confusion, cjclifford, I'm DEFINITELY feelin' the confusion ...
TBsPlease 2 years ago 2