STUDIO UPDATE - BASS - DAY 2

[KeKs250596]

what strigs he used?

sorry,but i have problems with my english.

[RockBassTv]

@KeKs250596 For recording he uses D'dario strings for live shows Dean Markley strings (Blue Steel gauge 0.45 - 105)

[SGTCloudrunner]

I've become, sick of everyone now!

[superluigi182]

Sick of Everyone Now?!

[tolipotua12]

Does Cone (no, not look infected :D ) have myspace or facebook ? and do you think he would answer me, if i asked him, what tempo is screaming bloody murder ? or can someone tell me ? :D i play with metronom mostly and don't know what tempo is it.

[VexorxStudios]

Apparently the bassline & drums at the beginning is from 'Sick of it All"

[asd15475]

@VexorxStudios True, but the song is actually called "Sick of Everyone". The track-list that was leaked is wrong, it had mostly working titles and "Sick of It All" is just a plain mistake probably due to translation from another language. The song was always called "Sick of Everyone" because that title was displayed on a computer screen in one of the earliest update videos.

[TheMulhollandGen]

Rhythms has a good bassline too

[Sk8Ninja7]

Here in America I have a motto: Ive been waiting for this album fo rthe longest fucking time ever and I neeed it now!!

[mastergp411]

Cone McCaslin is the best

[poupounekiki]

this a better groupe of music rock

[djeesee]

Did you mean This is the best rock band ever? lol

[Rubo41]

yeah, they need to talk about what they want to do...and how....

You can do an awesome album in 10 minutes and no argument....it needs time.

[jorganbon]

awkward moment at 0:33

So there's cone bobbing his head, and proud of the work he just did. Then the guitarist comes in and he's like "i don't like it". So, Cone is obviously hurt by this comment, and he sniffles ot hide it.

[Fusive7]

The bass playing is fine. They're just trying to find the best sound for it. It wasn't really an argument.

[Matthew3777]

@jorganbon

Good Point. I think they all should have they're own input, even though deryck does write the songs, and is producer, Cone Should have his say on the bass. Either way the record is going to sound Amazing! Deryck is good at what he does, and so is the rest of the band!

[jorganbon]

Well, I may be a little biased because I am a bass player, but even though I liker their music, the sum 41 has really boring one note basslines, and I know cone is technically beyond that. When I write a song, I don't tell teh guitarist exactly what to do. He creates his own part. Likewise, when he writes a song, he let's me do my own basslines, not just one note bullcrap.

[blackhawkRFLX]

quoted from an interview with cone: I have been working with our producer Gil Norton on bass stuff and also working on bass stuff at home. There's some cool stuff. Gil is also a bass player so its been a good experience. Some stuff I play on this album is very basic and some stuff goes off a little bit. The main focus was just to help the song and serve the song and not do crazy bass parts just to serve my ego. Thats big enough already!

[jorganbon]

it doesn't matter. I play one note basslines a lot and its fun cause its easy and I can jump around and stuff. The point is, I have not heard one interesting bassline in a sum 41 song (up until the one they showcased in a recent video). Sometimes I'm playing 1 noters with an interesting fill every now and then, and some songs feature the bass (just as some feature the drums, and most feature the guitar, but that comes with the rock n rock package"

[blackhawkRFLX]

@jorganbon he's just playing what works the best for the song

[jorganbon]

I know, but its getting old hearing one note basslines all through. Its really unfair. In rock, all songs feature guitar, that's a given, but derek also has songs that feature drums, but never bass. I'm glad derek wrote whatever song cone was playing in that other video.

[schlafanzyk]

then you obviously need to listen again, because there are a lot of interesting bass lines in sum41 songs. sorry, but this just made you sound like a complete idiot who doesnt know what hes talking about. have you even listened through one sum41 album entirely?

[jorganbon]

No, music is not my career, I don't have to sit down and listen to a whole album at once. Okay, I'll give you "Chuck". That album was more metal, and Cone had a FEW good moments. If you can name some songs I should hear, tell me.

[schlafanzyk]

im not telling you what you should hear. i just think you have to listen to their albums more closely before make such a strong statement. in studio pop/rock productions the bass is intentionally mixed to the background so that you dont really notice it except for breaks or bridges without vocals or parts where it just takes over the listeners attention (solos, interludes, etc.).

there are many songs with cool bass parts on AKNF and DTLI, not only chuck. it just has to make sense in the song.

[jorganbon]

No I understand that the bass is more of a background instrument. Sure, I'm not gonna have the chicks all over me when I say "I'm a bass player, babe" I don't care, I like playing, and it adds something to the song you can't put your finger one. (sorry for that rant) But 85% of the time, the bassline is boring.

[schlafanzyk]

you will have enough babes, believe me. bass players always get the cute shy ones!

i play drums and some guitar and piano and you can see their eyes shine with interest as soon as they find out youre a musician.. or have a lot of money ;)

[jorganbon]

I've been playing piano a while now, but that won't get me any chicks! I mostly play classical piano, but I do write some rock songs that have keyboard parts. But in the world of rock, teh guitarists get all teh glory. That's okay.

[ptido]

Machine Gun (beginning), Heart Attack, Over My Head, All Messed Up, Crazy Amanda Bunkface, In Too Deep, Fat Lip, Underclass Hero (chorus).

I'd say that AKNF is the best album for bassline. Underclass Hero's the worst.

But as schlafanzyk said, it's very hard to hear it correctly, you've to listen carefuly and with a good audio quality.

;-)

[jorganbon]

thanks, I'll give em a listen. To be truthful, I've never heard of Machine Gun and Amanda Bunkface.

[ptido]

@jorganbon

Here in France, we have a motto which says "Late is better than never" ;)

[jorganbon]

@ptido here in the east coast of the US, we have a motto too. "Hurry up you fat shit, I'm late!" Yeah, these are rude people, but they're my rude people :)

[TheOmegalomaniac]

@ptido In italy too...well neighbor, you right:)

[offspringgta]

don't forget pain for pleasure w/ the bassline at the beginning and the bass solos in welcome to hell.

[ptido]

I think that Pain for Pleasure bassline is great but isn't really complicated.

I didn't mention Welcome to hell because the guy already talked about Chuck basslines ;)

[Matthew3777]

Thats Very true. But I got one question, I'm getting into this whole writting and producing thing too. I wanna know, how to you get it to flow? Sound fluent? Like i don't know what i'm getting at, i only know bass by tabs. Mainly my guitar come into play. Can i listen to some of you're stuff?

[jorganbon]

That's tough for me to answer man. I guess don't take your fingers off the bass when you're playing. Sorry man, I'd like to post some of our basslines, but my band mates would kill me. Even though we're not famous or nothin, we took a vow not to share any material till the first album is done. We're weird guys...

[Matthew3777]

Right on! Understood! Let me know when you release!

[jorganbon]

thanks for your enthusiasm. But see, we're not career musicians, we got stuff to do. Won't be done till, maybe July. MABYE!

[schlafanzyk]

what was awkward about that? they were talking about sound/strings and if you listen closely they actually agree more than they disagree. cone isnt proud or hurt there, they were testing and he says "we need some new strings though". the album is almost completely written and preproduced and if you look at the other updates he has some crazy stuff in there that he can definately be proud of.

[vanicone]

can anyone help me? I don't speak English in real life so..

are they arguing about the cone's bass' sound?

all I can here (& I'm not really sure) are these:

D: I dont like it. that's it

C: I can't take it deryck. strings..

C: I use d'addario which deryck & mark arguing

...

I'm not sure for the rest! help me pleease!

lol thanks :)

[ben10150]

I think it was all about the sound, not really an argument.

they're making an album so naturally they are gunna try to get the best sound possible. the playing itself is spot on, it was only the actually sound they were trying to make better. thats why they changed strings and moved the mic closer, instead of getting a new bassist :P cone's great :)

[vanicone]

oh I see. ok thanks!

[schlafanzyk]

D: i dont like it, but thats on you.. i dont wanna take it (the current sound probably)

C: we need some new strings though

D: yeah..

thats what i got out of it.

[vanicone]

lol so different from what I got. thanks!

[Rubo41]

well..this is your opinion. For me UH is a good album, and it has so many nice songs...but it´s a poor album if you think Sum 41 made it.....if you compare chuck with uh, this album was a joke....I play in a band, and I can do an UH....but do a Chuck? Is sooooo difficult. Even impossible.

[vanicone]

but good songs don't always have to be hard to play!

well my opinion..

[Destruction320]

yeah...we both have diffrent opinions...but there's nothing to argue about here...still both love Sum 41... ;) I wanna aggressive album too...cause when I liste to songs like Billy Spleen something slowly coming to my mind...and it's fuck,Deryck has a really perfect voice on this kind of music...It sounds amazing

[ShaunShaefron]

underclass was simply amazing, in my opinion. it's my second favorite album ever.

[00639productions]

Blink-182, Green Day, and Sum 41 are my two MAIN favorite bands. They are great. Yeah, I'm a punk rock fan

[AMABotelho]

lol, punk rock fan? the only one that was ever really punk from those 3 is Sum 41, but only the album Chuck, maybe Does This Look Infected, which is what I hope is the direction they take for this album.

you're a pop-punk fan. not really punk rock.

[Destruction320]

yeah you're true...but It's not so important to me...you know I just like it...I love music like Sum 41,Three Days Grace,Hoobastank,System of a Down,NoFX,Billy Talent,Blink 182,Yellowcard,Bowling for Soup,My Chemical Romance too...even Frank Sinatra,Bob Dylan,The Cure ...and much more...you know I don't need to scream I am punk rock,I am pop punk I am punk ...I just listen every music that I like and fuck everything else...

[BlackNotes200]

I love the way that cone and deyerck always argue about the bass. its kinda depressing at the same time though xD

[Rubo41]

me too...when i hear the sum 41 new shit it brings me sooo good feelings......I think this album will be more Chuck...and less Uderclass hero, wich is an album we must forget....this was not sum 41. But the new album will be awesome, and so powerfull!

[Destruction320]

I don't wanna forget anything about UH..the one was great too...I like chorus of Speak of Devil,songs like The Jester,Count Your Last Blessings,So long goodbye,With me,Best of Me...i mean every song...I think that I can say that I love every song they ever made...I hope that they'll give us some great sound and lyrics like ever...I especially like when Deryck criticize something...and quotes like this one "All of us believe in what we need

What we have's what we don't see" are great...

[mastergp411]

Cone McCaslin is the best

[zchicinak45]

Awesome sound so far! I have a feeling this is gonna be a sick album!

[mikey41414141]

im surprised cone hasnt left sum 41

[schlafanzyk]

they are having a straight forward discussion about the strings and the best setup of the bass and amps which is needed to give the songs a proper sound. do you really think he is unhappy in the band because they argue with each other about the essentials of recording music? he had and is still having the time of his life with this band, all of them get along very well and they work perfectly together. why would you be suprised that he is still there?

[UndeadFourtyOne]

Great, This album is looking good

[bioxwarrior]

cone rocks, and the song sounds good so far, looking forward to the new album

[TMSierra]

CAN'T WAIT!!!!

[Dex01]

the more I hear of this song the better it gets. I am very excited. can't wait!

[PTswim9318]

this song its fucking sickkk

[Destruction320]

hmm :D it looks too serious without Stevo ...

[stevieabr]

aww damn, my apologies bud, got mixed up

[johnny41sum]

Cone is the best :)

[stevieabr]

does it hell, doesn't sound like Green Day at all, sounds like Sum 41

don't forget that wont be the final mix or master, it'll sound even better when it's properly mixed and mastered

[stratokastered]

sounds like murder city by green day

[Sisko182]

I like Deryck, but he tries to make every song HIS. It's Cone and Steve's band too, not just Deryck's. Let Cone do his thing!

[phililili23]

That's true, but to be fair, that wasn't what this video was about. They were figuring out the best sound quality, not the best progression.

[offspringgta]

i prefer that he does it that way, cuz HE is the main songwriter in the band. all the sum 41 songs i've fell in love w/ over the years (88, we're all to blame, slipping away, still waiting, etc.) were HIS creations. and furthermore how the hell can stevo write songs(musically, not lyrically)? all he does is play the drums

[Sisko182]

You clearly dont know much about being in a band. I have made many song where drums are created first, and then guitar and bass put around that.

[stevieabr]

drums were created first, have ya bin following their tweet updates, I know fine, I was in a band, the drums get recorded first, then bass, then guitars, i know enough

[Sisko182]

I wasnèt even talking to you..the person I was talking to and I were talking about writing, not recording.

[toxical1ty]

@offspringgta all deryck does is play guitar sing. just because stevo plays drums doesnt mean he cant create a song.

[finglemaster]

"all deryck does is play guitar sing"

yeah.. and he makes "the songs"

he's the leader

[cgrdrummer]

He plays guitar too. And drummers can write songs as much as guitarists / singers

[ben10150]

This song is so sick

[nicholeisdrunk]

goooooooooooooooooo

[H54184]

SUM 41 FUCKIN rule duddddddddddddddde

[blackhawkRFLX]

epic!!

[ClickOnPez]

great! (: next album you can record the demos in my studio for free hahaha

[ThaUltimateDragon]

Love your car deryck, damn nice vid!

and jeez, steve, nice drumzz!

still sounds nice and heavy! i'm really gonna wait for this album!

[tropotrepo]

NO PUEDO ESPERAR MAAAAAAAS!!!

[AngieSaini01]

Third =D ... love getting these updates =)

[MastaEddo]

i cant watch it :(

[spiderral08]

@MastaEddo- if it's not working then add &fmt=18 to the end of the URL but you don't get to listen to anything new- just the same from the last bass vid.

[MastaEddo]

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