I am completely dumbfounded by the anti-vax movement. It's like they're trying to drag civilization back to the disease-filled dark ages. They should all move to Africa, so they can enjoy their infectious diseases like the "good old days".
I mat have pertussis, what should I do as far as taking care of myself? I understand I should get the shot but what can I do as of now? Thank you, please respond!
@Jrm4cam The WC vaccine has been given together with Diphtheria and Tenanus for over 50 years now. While Diphtheria is uncommon in developed countries, Tetanus is very common and certainly worth protecting against.
@Jrm4cam Do you know that kids receive more aluminum from breast milk every 2 days than from the DTP vaccine? (see Melena et.al 1995)
Antibiotics in isolation do not work for Tetanus, especially severe cases. In addition to IV antibiotics (for over a week), you also need Tetanus immunoglobulin injection/IV and other meds. Severe cases will end up in ICU.
I find it hard to believe that you think weeks of IV antibiotics and other meds, plus suffering are better than a vaccine.
@Jrm4cam As VYC said, treating tetanus with antibiotics only causes the release of more toxin and a worsening of the condition. Though there is an antitoxin, it only works against toxin that hasn't already bound to the nerve endings, so any muscles that have already started to spasm will stay spasming until new nerve endings can be grown. Meanwhile, painful muscle spasms - sometimes strong enough to break bones - will wrack the victim, and only supportive care can be offered. Tetanus is horrible
I bet they still won't mention that there are 2 strains of pertussis (plus another virus that masquerades as it) and only the 1 is "covered" by the shot. There's no money in telling people that. Aggravating!
@hawkecho Actually, the acellular vaccine protects against 5 strains of bordetella pertussis (the bacteria that causes whooping cough - it's not a virus). There is some evidence that it is not as effective against two additional strains due to genetic drift (MT27 & 40), but it still reduces severity for those strains.
As the vaccine protects against the most common strains, and reduces severity of the others it's still vitally important and effective for children & adults to be vaccinated.
@hawkecho do you know there would be more money to be made by the pharma companies and therapeutical industry as a whole in treating these diseases than in the vaccines? that argument doesn't make sense, they would be better off financially in allowing these diseases to become prevalent!
I have whooping cough:(
raladaca 1 month ago
I am completely dumbfounded by the anti-vax movement. It's like they're trying to drag civilization back to the disease-filled dark ages. They should all move to Africa, so they can enjoy their infectious diseases like the "good old days".
rmcdaniel423 3 months ago
I mat have pertussis, what should I do as far as taking care of myself? I understand I should get the shot but what can I do as of now? Thank you, please respond!
CSQUAR3DsBaCk 1 year ago
@CSQUAR3DsBaCk Go and see a doctor. They will diagnose and prescribe a treatment.
VaccinateYourKids 1 year ago
when they're able to administer Just the WC vaccine without the two others I'll vaccinate my son.
Jrm4cam 1 year ago
@Jrm4cam The WC vaccine has been given together with Diphtheria and Tenanus for over 50 years now. While Diphtheria is uncommon in developed countries, Tetanus is very common and certainly worth protecting against.
VaccinateYourKids 1 year ago 4
@VaccinateYourKids Can be treated with antibiotics. Nothing worth injecting newborns with aluminum adjuvant.
Jrm4cam 1 year ago
@Jrm4cam Do you know that kids receive more aluminum from breast milk every 2 days than from the DTP vaccine? (see Melena et.al 1995)
Antibiotics in isolation do not work for Tetanus, especially severe cases. In addition to IV antibiotics (for over a week), you also need Tetanus immunoglobulin injection/IV and other meds. Severe cases will end up in ICU.
I find it hard to believe that you think weeks of IV antibiotics and other meds, plus suffering are better than a vaccine.
VaccinateYourKids 1 year ago 7
@Jrm4cam As VYC said, treating tetanus with antibiotics only causes the release of more toxin and a worsening of the condition. Though there is an antitoxin, it only works against toxin that hasn't already bound to the nerve endings, so any muscles that have already started to spasm will stay spasming until new nerve endings can be grown. Meanwhile, painful muscle spasms - sometimes strong enough to break bones - will wrack the victim, and only supportive care can be offered. Tetanus is horrible
nscangal 8 months ago 2
@:41 sooo cuteee <33
ashdewme2 1 year ago
I bet they still won't mention that there are 2 strains of pertussis (plus another virus that masquerades as it) and only the 1 is "covered" by the shot. There's no money in telling people that. Aggravating!
hawkecho 1 year ago
@hawkecho Actually, the acellular vaccine protects against 5 strains of bordetella pertussis (the bacteria that causes whooping cough - it's not a virus). There is some evidence that it is not as effective against two additional strains due to genetic drift (MT27 & 40), but it still reduces severity for those strains.
As the vaccine protects against the most common strains, and reduces severity of the others it's still vitally important and effective for children & adults to be vaccinated.
VaccinateYourKids 1 year ago 10
@hawkecho Better to be protected against one strain vs none at all.
mariesadler 1 year ago 6
@hawkecho do you know there would be more money to be made by the pharma companies and therapeutical industry as a whole in treating these diseases than in the vaccines? that argument doesn't make sense, they would be better off financially in allowing these diseases to become prevalent!
benhammat 10 months ago 3
Can bug bites cause whooping cough because I gotten bitten
Theroguesunit6 1 year ago