Do you see? It's just clear like that! That there is only one God, Who sent all those beloved prophets and messengers to guide us to the straight path. And this is the issue of Islam speaking about since 1400 years but unfortunately many people not yet accept this truth.!!!!
@seekingthegod we are all the children of Adam and Eve, maybe Mary had a brother named Aaron, cause people used to name their children after the prophets.
@Hashim60070 Oh, is that why? Can you show me Mary's family please cause I don't know who they were? I didn't think the Bible mentioned Mary having a brother name Aaron? Please can you send me a quote for that one so I can check it?
@Hashim60070 Also, did you find the answer to the question I asked you about Isaiah 9:6, where it seems to say that God had a son who he called the "Mighty God"? Who is this and how does this fit in with the Quran please? I also need someone to explain to me please how in Isaiah 9:7 the same person is given a Kingdom for ever - sounds very much like Christ claimed doesn't it?
"Then she brought the child to her folk, carrying him, and they said, "Mary, you have surely committed a monstrous thing. Sister of Aaron, your father was not a wicked man, nor your mother a woman unchaste. Mary pointed to the child; but they said, 'Hoe shall we speak to one who still in the cradle, a little child. And he said, 'Lo, I am God's servant, God has given me the Book and made me a Prophet Blessed He has made me ,wherever/may be; and hi has enjoined me to prayer, and to give the alms
@Hashim60070 I don't get that text you posted. Was Mary (Jesus mother), the sister of Aaron? Isn't that about 1500 years earlier? I thought Aaron was Moses brother? Something's not right with the text! Are you sure you quoted it properly? It doesn't make sense.
Another thing that is puzzling me about this video: the speaker quoted Hebrews 2:17 about Jesus being "made like us in all things" as a human and saying how can Christ be made like sinful man. At the same time the speaker said that "God cannot die but Jesus died", confirming that he was executed, but also if he was "made like us", then wouldn't we expect a human to die? The two so called contradictions seem to contradict each other! Can someone explain this please?
@seekingthegod You're right. It is puzzling. And it should be something easy and reasonable to understand since our salvation hangs on its belief ! It can't be explained because it makes absolutely no sense. But many Christians believe that Jesus (peace be upon him) is 100% God and 100% man !!! Now how can that be possible? And where does Jesus (pbuh) state this about himself in the New Testament?
@amuslima99 Ok thanks for your answer. There's a problem here though because if it doesn't make sense that Christ was just a man & at the same time he's going to be given a Kingdom that would last for ever according to Isaiah 9:7 & Psalms 2:7-8, then first Why would he be given such authority and control over all the nations; and secondly, if how could God be speaking to him both Before he was born & After he has died? There's a massive piece of the jigsaw missing here isn't there?
@amuslima99 I don't know how Christ could be 100% man and 100% God, but if we're talking about spiritual things, do they come in percentages? For instance, I've heard that Mohammed had a night dream or travel to a holy place, but what percentage of him went to the place and which percentage stayed asleep in the same place? I'm not sure you can make measurements of spiritual things like that can you?
@amuslima99 didn't Jesus call himself something else.."Son of Man" taken from Daniel wasn't it? here it is - Daniel 7:13 "I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him" The Son of Man comes to the Ancient of Days (God) and then he's given the whole Earth in Daniel 7:14 !
@amuslima99 Why is Christ given the Whole Earth when he's just a man or just a prophet? Are any prophets given the whole Earth? Dan 7:14 "And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed"
@amuslima99 the problem for me is these things can't be in the Bible for nothing, they must be there for a purpose. if I don't understand what they mean or why they are there, that doesn't make them untrue and doesn't change anything just because i don't understand it!
@seekingthegod You're right. All holy books were given by God to a particular people for their instruction. As time went on, some people changed what was originally written in the Bible to suit their own purposes. That's why some verses seem to contradict other verses. Still God knows what was stated in them and those who made changes will have to stand account for that. When you find time go to the Muslim Christian Dialogue Channel and watch the debate "Is the New Testament as
@amuslima99 ok thanks, I'll go and watch that. The verses I gave you were from the Old Testament though not the New Testament. What you say is interesting - who changed what was originally written in the Bible? Also if it was as you say for their own purposes, then why was it for their own purposes if it meant that Jerusalem would be destroyed? eg Daniel 9:26 ? seems, self defeating? It can't have been changed after Christ because its the same text exactly in the Dead Sea scrolls
@amuslima99 At least the Quran hasn't changed much, so maybe that is more reliable as being the same as the original text? The problem is though that if it didn't agree with the Bible accounts in the first place, then the question is why and how do we know for certain which book is right?
@seekingthegod Because it remains consistent. There are no contradictions. It is revealed in the original language, Arabic. Some Qurans have English Translations and some do not. But many people how learned how to read and write Arabic. The Bible wasn't revealed in English. And much of it has been found in Greek. Jesus never spoke Greek. Also @ Muslim-Christian dialogue check out the video "Was Paul the Founder of Christianity" w/ Shabir Ally and Dr. Shellington. Very Good debate.
@seekingthegod I meant many people know how to read Arabic. You'll never find a Qur'an in all English. If you ever do it would not be considered a Quran. It deals with all the subjects which concern us as human beings: wisdom, doctrine, worship, but its basic theme is the relationship between God and His creatures. At the same time it provides guidelines on proper human conduct, etc. At the end of the day, like anything, its what you read that makes sense to you.
@seekingthegod And what is stated in the Quran has always made sense to me. When a book is translated in a language different from what it was first revealed in, it losses something in translation. Allah promised He would never allow the Quran to be corrupted. It is easy for me to believe this.
@amuslima99 So if the Old Testament was as you say given by God to a particular people for their instruction, is that the same with the Quran for a particular people, 7th century Arabs? And also, if the OT was given to the Israelites only, then why is it pointing into the future now, since Daniel 9:27 hasn't yet happened? (Christ given all nations to serve him ) It has to mean some time in the future, but not only that doesn't it concern all people since it talks about all nations?
@seekingthegod The Holy Quran is the last revealed Book of God and was sent to instruct all people. The Old Testament, New T, Psalms were sent to the Israelite tribes. They were instructed and commanded to do things Gentiles (non-Jews) were not. I sent you a message @ your channel about the websites and channels I thought could better answer your questions than I can. But again, the Holy Quran was revealed by God to the Angel Gabriel to Pro. Muhammad -the last Prophet of God.
@amuslima99 thank you sister. I'm sure you must be as open to seeking the truth as I am and that is why I must find out the answers to these questions in case I miss out anything that God has instructed us. If I do miss something, then it will be my fault for not searching for the truth won't it? It is no use me just settling down to some doctrine even if someone have convinced me it was right, when there may be so much more to learn?
@seekingthegod By all means ! That's why I'm sending you to other sources who can better explain it than I. To me my answers lie within Islam and the Quran. But you are not muslim so I can understand your need to search in other places. The best info. to me comes lies in those places I mentioned.
@amuslima99 If the Quran is right to follow, then for me it must confirm the Bible as Mohammed claimed, but so far, what I'm getting is that it doesn't. Much of what I've found out so far is that the Quran contradicts the Bible, which is leading me to question whether the Quran is in error. For instance Daniel 9:24-27 verses I showed you, its all beginnning to look like Islam has missed the boat and Angel Gabrielle contradicted himself? (which cannot be the case)
@amuslima99 you see if the Quran never mentioned any of the Biblical characters or accounts, then for me it might be plausible, but because it does and from what I've understood so far, it gets the stories wrong, it's looking like it has lots of errors?
@amuslima99 For instance you say the Holy Quran was "revealed by God to the Angel Gabriel to Pro. Muhammad -the last Prophet of God" - but this raises for me a hard question again because back to Daniel 9:24 Angel Gabrielle told Daniel that after Christ would make the sacrifice for sin, that Prophecy would be Sealed or finished: "make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy" Dan 9:24
@seekingthegod Ask Jerald F. Dirks about this. Like I said, he was a minister. Very knowledgable about the Christian and Islamic faith. Please go to his channel.
@amuslima99 No, not like that - its talking about making "reconciliation for iniquity", bringing an end or closure of sins. The Hebrew word used for 'end' here is "khaw-tham" meaning to "close up" and it looks like in the context of this verse it means to reconcile the sinner to God. But my opinion isn't important, I'm only reading and looking at what is written.
@seekingthegod Some don't even believe Christ was a Prophet of God. That he was only the "Son" or "God in Flesh". Read in the Bible where God stated He would raise up a Prophet from among THEIR brethren.Who would be like Moses.(because God was speaking to Moses at the time). The brethren of the Israelites is the Ishmaelites. Abraham (pbuh) was father to Ishmael (pbuh) (the Pro. Muhammad's decendent) and the father of Issac (pbuh) the decendant of the Israelites.
@amuslima99 Oh yes, I know that one its in Deuteronomy 18:18, but some muslims try to claim this was Mohammed but you're right it wasn't mohammed because he wasn't of the brethren and nor was he a Levite who were being spoken to at the time. Yes, I don't doubt at all that it meant Jesus and neither do I doubt that one of Christ's ministries was a prophet. The thing that makes him unique is that he's the messiah both in the Quran and the Bible, and there is only one promised Messiah
@seekingthegod Moses and Muhammad (peace be upon them both) were similar to each other than Jesus was to either one of them. Moses and Muhammad were born of both parents. Both were married. Both had children. Both died natural deaths. Jesus was miraculously conceived. He was not married. He had no children. He has not died yet.
@amuslima99 pardon me, but do you know any prophets who never had a father and never died, or do you know anyone that this happened to? I don't know anyone who is 2000 yrs old, but you are saying this is how old Jesus is?
@seekingthegod cont. "Is the New Testament as it exists today the Inspired word of God" with Shabir Ally and Dr. David White. Shabir Ally has the opening statement (1 of 4). Then follow that title to Dr. White's opening statement ( 2 of 4 ), follow the title to their Rebuttals ( 3 or 4 ), and ending with their Q & A w/ the same title (4 of 4 ). Maybe it can enlightening you about the New Testament from a Muslim and Christian's point of view.
@amuslima99 Then something more I discovered. In Daniel 9:26 it says about how the Messiah came to Israel, was "cut off" and then the city of Jerusalem would be destroyed. "And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined" written 100's yrs before Christ!
@amuslima99 Daniel 9:26 makes sense to me if Christ was "cut off" or Crucified and then after that the city was destroyed by the Romans from AD 70 when the Temple was destroyed. It seems to call the Temple "the sanctuary" in Daniel 9:26. It seems to me that this was 100% correct as a prophecy of Christ coming, then him being cut off or crucified and then the Temple or sanctuary and the City destroyed by the Romans - I get that bit at least!
@amuslima99 then that brings me to another problem - how come the Quran says Christ wasn't crucified if Daniel 9:26 was correct? Why doesn't the Quran agree with the Bible on this? How are we supposed to know what is right when the Quran and the Bible say different things about Christ?
Next thing I want an answer to is, the speaker quoted 1 Corinthians 15:28 about the Son or Christ being also subject to God, but the verse starts by saying that "all things shall be subdued unto him (Christ)", but if Christ is just a man then why are all things subdued unto Him? Also in verse 15:24 it says that Christ will put down all authority and power and in 27 that all things will be "under his feet". Can someone explain why just a man (Christ) is given such power and authority as if God?
How come he is ascending to God or his father, when no one else does? I thought people don't go until the Resurrection? Can someone explain this please? Something doesn't add up here if he is just a man?
I need to ask some questions about this video please as there are some things which the speaker said which don't seem to add up for me:
1) He quoted John 17:20 where Jesus says do not hold me, I have not yet ascended to the Father, my God and your God. The speaker said how can Jesus be God. What I want to know is what is Jesus doing going to God for when he was just a man according to the speaker?
"And when God said, 'O Jesus, son of Mary, did you say unto men, "Take me and my mother as gods, apart from God"? He said, 'To you be glory! It is not mine to say what I have no right to. If I indeed said it, you would have known it, knowing what is within my heart, though I do not know your knowledge; you know the things unseen. I only said to them what you did commands me: "Serve God, my God and your God." (Al-Maida 5-116)
@Hashim60070 Then there's another thing that I need an answer to please, the speaker said "Jesus was born yet God is eternal, so how can Jesus be God etc", but then if Isaiah 9:6 is telling us of Jesus being born and if he is just a man, then why does it say in this verse that he is called "The Mighty God"? and why is someone who is just a man given a kingdom that lasts for ever, in Isaiah 9:7 ? Please can someone explain this to me, because this isn't adding up.
THE BIBLE IS THE MARK OF THE BEAST. God didn't send a bible. He sent the Holy ghost, the laws are written in us not in a book. King james was born 6, 1566. 6th out of the house of Stuart, He authorized 66 books and gave them power to speak (the bible says). You can't buy the word of God. More then 2 billion people say "the bible teaches me truth" but they all believe something different. Pray and ask God to show you the truth. 'we are the temple, we are the book
also a person needs to remmber if person is born in sin & jesus(p.b.u.h) was born then he like a humen would be born in sin. the other point being if he dead for sin then what akily are people born in cuzz it cant b any form of sin as thats allready takin away. along side god saying no eye can see god and no humen is god Numbers 23:19
God is not a man, that he should lie, nor a son of man, that he should change his mind. Does he speak and then not act? Does he promise and not fulfill?
@rudeboywaz Oh, Jesus was born in sin? I'm trying to get some answers on these issues because I need to understand these things, but the trouble is, the more I hear, the more questions seem to come! So if Jesus was born in sin as you say, then why would the Angel Gabrielle sent from God, have any part with sin? I thought that a Holy God could not have any part of sin?
@rudeboywaz Why does it say in Matthew 1:20 "the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, 'Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost' " , because if Jesus was conceived by the Holy Ghost, doesn't that make Jesus born Holy if the Holy Ghost is Holy? I don't get it. Can you explain this please?
the simplest answer to that would be its a dem it could not meen anything o im a muslim thos i dont beleive in this idolre of trintry and on as god is not the auther of conroson and if he aint that itshould make since aswell as god shouldnt be counderdickingg himslef time and time agan ..
also if the holy spirt wain jesus(p.b.u.h) then once agan it shows jesus(p.b.u.h) inspird by the holly spirt would not need it to come if the holly spirt was allredy there
@rudeboywaz oh thanks! but about the Holy Spirit, isn't that Spirit? And if it is Spirit, is it confined to one place at a time? I thought the Bible says in Psalm 139:7 that the Holy Spirit is everywhere at the same time, so why is that a problem? look here at Psalm 139:7 to see what I read - "Where can I go from your Spirit? Where can I flee from your presence?" Seems to me that the Holy Spirit could be in Jesus and in Heaven and earth at the same time! Doesn't it to you?
I always wonder why these people, who come to the conclusion that what they have believed about Jesus to be God is no longer true, then why don't they just accept Islam? I mean what she is thinking is a muslim mind-set. May Allah guide her to Islam, insha'Allah.
@IsaHamzaBilal Yes, you know what puzzles me is this: how come she thinks that after just 5 yrs and writing a book, she thinks that her conclusion must be more right than the apostles, James, John, Peter, Paul, Thomas, etc who all said Jesus was God because of the miracles they had seen? I mean this lady hasn't seen a single one of Jesus miracles or ever heard Jesus preach, yet she seems to be telling the world that she knows better than the disciples who heard and saw all this!
@IsaHamzaBilal I don't get it? Isn't it sort of arrogant for someone like you or me or this lady, (just ordinary people), to decide that they know more than the disciples who believed Jesus was God and were prepared to die for what they believed? It's kind of cheap isn't it, when the disciples were martyred and gave their lives because they had seen great miracles and heard Jesus preach and reveal what was in anyone's life and thoughts? I don't understand why someone says this?
@seekingthegod Well, my friend, I appreciate the fact that your statement did not have any sarcasm. I love to engage with people like you. However, I'd like to kind ask you to reevaluate the Bible. And please understand that, no, I am not be rude or sarcastic myself. So, with that said, Jesus never once in the whole Gospel said that he was God. If you can produce a verse where Jesus himself says that he is God and to worship him I will become a Christian. Must be his own words though.
@IsaHamzaBilal that's fine. I'm looking for some answers to some questions because I am seeking the truth. I'll be looking in the Bible, the Quran and maybe elsewhere, because I need answers. I am already evaluating the Bible and the Quran. As for sarcasm, I'm not interested in sarcasm - what's the point? It doesn't answer my questions! and I have lots of questions, maybe you know the answers to some of them?
@IsaHamzaBilal re "If you can produce a verse where Jesus himself says that he is God and to worship him I will become a Christian" - I didn't ask you to become a Christian and I didn't say that Jesus said he was God.
@seekingthegod There are many statements, however, in the Bible that make Jesus less than God. Like Jesus in the garden before he was arrested; he prostrated and prayed to God. Or when he said no one (no human) at any time has seen the father. The father is greater than I. why do you call me good, when the only thing that is good is God. I do not know when the Hour will come, only God knows. Or when he told Mary of magdalen not to hold on to him cuz he has not ascended to the father yet.
@IsaHamzaBilal re "when he told Mary of magdalen not to hold on to him cuz he has not ascended to the father yet" - well you know that is a curious thing, because what was Jesus doing "ascending to the father" anyway?? First why was he ascending to God? The resurrection hasn't happened yet and if Jesus was just a "man/prophet", what on earth was he doing ascending to a Holy God? Second, why was Jesus calling God his "Father"?? I'd be grateful if you could explain these please?
@seekingthegod Well, we have to look at the situation. Jesus was being persecuted be the Jews because they did not like the message he was bringing. His message was exposing the hypocrisy of the Jewish leaders. The method of which the Jew wanted Jesus dead was a shameful one. The Jews knew that if they were to kill Jesus by crucifixion they would be able to destroy his whole message and proclaim Jesus to be cursed by God.
@seekingthegod Also, killing Jesus would be a clear indication that Jesus is not the Messiah. The Jews know that the Messiah cannot be killed, so if they kill Jesus, then they have succeeded in proving he is not the Messiah. If the Messiah lives then he is the true Messiah. According to the Christians, Jesus is the true Messiah, but how is that true if they believe Jesus died?
@IsaHamzaBilal Is it? I thought it proved that he is the Messiah in Psalm 22 the psalm of crucifixion he was reciting? "they have pierced my hands and my feet" etc? It's pretty clear in Isaiah 53 that he was crucified and fulfilled that prophecy, but does that mean he wasn't the Messiah even though he said he was?
@seekingthegod So the Qu'ran tells us the true story of Jesus. That God saved Jesus of this and that which they proclaim of killing him is only conjecture. We, Muslims, believe is that Jesus was never killed hence, he is the Messiah. So, as to you question about what he was doing ascending to the Father, this will be the answer. God saved Jesus from this shameful death. If you believe that God can do anything then God can raise Jesus up at anytime. Just like God can do so now if he wanted to.
@IsaHamzaBilal How can the Quran tell the true story of Jesus when it was separated from Jesus by over 600 years with no witnesses of any kind to Jesus life, either first, second, third, fourth hand etc? For instance, if I started writing a biography of Mohammed now, why would my biography be true, but the biographies of Mohammed by his contemporary generation be untrue?
@IsaHamzaBilal Another thing I find puzzling is when you say that the Jews who saw Christ crucified on the cross, including the women who were talking to him on the cross and Joseph of Arimethea and Nicodemus, his friends who took his body down from the cross, were all just having a 'conjecture'? I mean if you were with a loved one while they were being executed, you would know it it was the one you loved or not wouldn't you?
@IsaHamzaBilal You say you believe that Jesus wasn't crucified, but what evidence from historians or manuscripts etc do you have to back up this idea, please? If you can show me one, this may be something that I can show others about to prove that he wasn't really crucified?
@IsaHamzaBilal re the ascending to the Father, yes what I wanted to know was why Jesus was calling God, "Father" and secondly, how an ordinary man or 'prophet' as you describe him would be allowed to be next to a Holy God? The point is, if Jesus was just a man, how can he ascend to God when no man can see God or be allowed to see God or be with him?
@seekingthegod As far as why Jesus was calling God Father, that is simply a means of saying the creator. And there has been many times where I have went to the House of God and when people ask me where I'm going, I simply tell them I am going to the house of my Father. I don't mean literally that God is my father. During Jewish times, Any person(s) who was doing the will of God was called a child of God. Doesn't mean its literal. And the saying was being used way before Jesus.
@IsaHamzaBilal Do you know prophets who ascend to God and call him 'Father'? By the way, according to Islam is he still alive? If so, that makes him 2000 yrs old doesn't it? But I don't know any man who lived to be 2000 yrs old and what does he eat?
@seekingthegod As far as Jesus's age, I believe you are just being trapped up by the a humanist perspective. Where its hard for you to see that God can do anything. If God can create anything from nothing and if God can sustain lifeor if he could sustain the lives of the Angels, then surely God can keep Jesus alive by any means He deems necessary. If God wanted you to live forever then you would. But the Qu'ran explicitly states that every sould created into existence will taste death.
@IsaHamzaBilal thanks you said "God can keep Jesus alive by any means He deems necessary", but what is the purpose of Jesus being alive in a human body but not living on earth for 2000 years? Even if God produces meat, fish, vegetables and bakes bread in Heaven for Jesus to eat and a toilet in heaven for him to flush, why doesn't he live on earth where he could continue to preach and heal all over the world?
@seekingthegod Well, I would say, if God can do whatever he wants then this means simply, that God can keep Jesus alive. No rational human being will ever tell you they know for a fact that Jesus is in a physical body in the heavens. This is why I said that God uses any means He wants. Do you think Angels eat and drink? God needs no food nor drink to survive. Food and drink are a weakness that all humans succum to. If God did need food and water to live, then He wouldn't be God.
@IsaHamzaBilal well, you may know better than I do, but as far as I understand it, Angels are not human beings as we know them, requiring food, waste or reproducing, so food and drink would not apply to them. However ALL human bodies whether for the purpose of an ordinary man OR for the purpose of Christ being manifest on earth, ALL require Food and Drink and as a matter of fact, the Bible says we have been given 3 score years and 10 to live on average, but 2000 yrs? not human!
@IsaHamzaBilal so "every soul created into existence will taste death" this means that Jesus had to have died doesn't it? So if God can do "anything" as you say, and he can "create anything from nothing", does this mean God is omnipotent or all powerful? He can do anything? Why then do muslims say that he isn't allowed to have a son then? He can do anything but he isn't allowed to have a literal son for the temporary purpose of a mission on earth?
@seekingthegod The very reason why Jesus must come back is because he will fulfill the rest of his mission and then he will die. That's why god saved him from the shameful crucificxion. Yes, God is All-Powerful/Omnipotent. The humans bare children would be Disgraceful to God. Begetting kids is a low status for God. He needs not sons nor daughters. Do you know what happens if there are two rulers in 1 kingdom? War! Jesus cannot be the literal son of God.
@IsaHamzaBilal Oh yes, I heard that Jesus must come back and live for 40 yrs get married, have a family, die and then be buried next to Mohammed!...but what for??
But if there are not 2 rulers in one Kingdom, but 1 ruler God in Christ, then maybe there's no problem and literal or not, God is still 1
@seekingthegod The Islamic perspective is that Jesus will come back when God deems necessary. The time when Jesus or the last day, no one But God has this information. Christians, Jews and Muslims all belives this fact. This is why Jesus cannot be God. Because only God knows when the last our will occur. So when the Disciples asked Jesus when the Last Hour will come, Jesus simply told them that no man knows when that time is, clearly this takes this title from Jeus that he is God.
@IsaHamzaBilal Oh I see how you are thinking about it. What I have understood about it is slightly different. God isn't waiting for a specific time as in Feb 26 2012 at 9pm, etc, but God is waiting for a particular condition on the earth to be 'ripe' for the return of Christ. The reason this is likely to be the correct view is that the Bible is very consistent in God's principles and you can see this same principle happening time and time again.
@seekingthegod Its funny you thru that date out there. My Bday is Feb 26th lol. Anyway, once God feels the time is right, He will continue with His plan. And the only reason I say "Feels" is because no one knows when the Last Hour will come. However, when the time does come we will know it for sure. And please remember that Muslims don't think that the whole Bible is currupted. We know there are things in the Bible that are true. And whatever is true, then we accept as truth.
@IsaHamzaBilal re Feb 26 2012, take that as from the Lord. Don't ask me to explain it. God does this with me. A similar incident happened while I was at work! Without any reason to suspect it, I told a young lady at work that she was going to have a baby. She knew nothing about it and was as you would guess, surprised to say the least! Two weeks later, she was confirmed to be expecting ( a blessing for her and her husband).
@IsaHamzaBilal God never gave dates or times in the Bible for any of the prophesied events, but what he always seems to have done is to say that when man's wickedness reaches a certain level of evil, he will act, punish, exile, etc.
@IsaHamzaBilal So when it comes to the 2nd coming of Christ, the reason Christ could not know the exact time of his return is because there isn't an exact time. God is waiting for certain conditions to be in place on earth before he sends Christ again.
@seekingthegod Yes, you are exactly right. The 2nd coming of Christ will be when God has met all the prophecies. And when Jesus comes back he will kill the Djjal (Antichrist), destroy all the swine, break the cross, and destroy the Kabbah in Mecca. He will be the head Imam and will lead prayer.
@IsaHamzaBilal Also, as I understand it, Christ was to be on earth 'as a man', not to be behaving 'like a God', as the Bible puts it he took on "flesh" which means that he limited himself to the nature of a man and therefore to a man's physical and mental abilities while on earth. How else could he demonstrate how to have faith in God and call God Father and depend 100% on God, if he actually walked around with all the knowledge of God?
@seekingthegod Well, the Bible does it say that Jesus took on flesh. At least from what I know. If you're refering to the Gospel of John 1:1 then I feel you have misunderstood the meaning. And you ask how is it that Jesus can demonstrate the qualities of God? Well, we Muslims believe that all prophets were perfect examples of God's qualities. Not just Jesus. Although Jesus was a very powerful messenger, we need ot take him off of this pedestal and see that all prophets were perfect examples.
@IsaHamzaBilal How do you understand John 1:14 then? Here it is: " And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth"
@seekingthegod This verse is questionable. Because Jesus himself never claimed to be the Son of God or God like the Christians believe. "No man has ever seen the Father at anytime." If Jesus was God then this statement could not be true. And surely, If Jesus was to be God then all the other prophets would have mentioned this in early text, which they did not.
@IsaHamzaBilal "No man has ever seen the Father at anytime." - then how can Jesus have ascended to heaven because that would mean he is with and seeing God?
@IsaHamzaBilal all the prophets were not normal men, hmm, but they're all buried in their graves, whereas, Christ ascended and never died in 2000 yrs?? doesn't sound too normal, does it to you?
@IsaHamzaBilal and Mohammed is buried in a grave, even if he claimed to 'ascend to the heavens' - by comparison, his life was pretty normal, born of a mother and father, married, had children, died and is still buried in a grave.
@IsaHamzaBilal You know, in the Quran it refers to Jesus as the "son of Mary", but the Bible never calls him that. He is always "Son of Man" or "Son of God", but the only person who is called "son of Mary" in the Bible is the disciple, John!
@seekingthegod Well, that title Son of Mary, Muslims agree with. Son of Man or Son of God is a concoction. This is what I have been trying ot tell you all along. The Bible was complied by pagon romans during the council of Nicea in 325 CE. Pual is the center of the theology. 7/8 of the New testament was written by Paul. Paul was a Roman Jew. A bounty hunter. He was the one that said we need to believe the things in the Bible because of his self appiontment to prophethood. We do not believePaul.
@IsaHamzaBilal Why is John 1:14 "questionable"? How can the word of God be questionable? Didn't Jesus also say in John 8:23 "And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I AM FROM ABOVE: ye are of this world; I am not of this world.
@IsaHamzaBilal Joh 8:24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins"
so in the verse 8:23 he said he Came from Above, from God and then later he "ascended" back to God. Doesn't sound like a normal man to me! Do you know anyone whose done this?
@seekingthegod8:24 simply means that if you do not believe in him being a messenger of God then you will die in you sins. Whenever a Prophet comes with a message from God we MUST believe in this prophet and message otherwise we will die in our sins. This statement is not exclusive to Jesus.
@IsaHamzaBilal re John 8:24 "I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins" - what did he mean when he said "if you believe not that I am he" ? who?
@IsaHamzaBilal then there's the "virgin birth" - doesn't your Quran say he was born to a virgin? and if he was, how can this be "normal"...I don't know any maternity ward where this has ever happened! Do you?
@seekingthegod Adam and Eve were created from nothing. Jesus at least had a mother. Which is more difficult for God to do, Jesus who had a mother or Adam and Eve who had no father or mother? The Answer is obvious: These things are EASY for God. Whether from mother or from nothing.
@IsaHamzaBilal re Adam & Eve - isn't the point that God's Word is to be born in us, so that we fulfill God's will in our lives? When it says in John 1:12 "But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:"
@IsaHamzaBilal1:13 "Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God" - isn't this saying that if we receive Christ and his words, his gospel, that he causes God's Word to be born in us, for Faith to replace Unbelief in us?
@IsaHamzaBilal So when the Bible talks about Adam and Eve and the creation, isn't this about God creating his righteousness and holiness in our inner lives, so that we live only to please him in all that we think or say or do?
John 1:4 "In him was life; and the life was the light of men" - why is he the "light of men"? what does this mean?
@IsaHamzaBilal and in John 1:5 where it says "the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not" - does this mean that he shines but we don't understand his light, or even that we don't want his light? Still more concerning if we shine a light into the inner recesses of our heart, would he find in the dark corners, sin, unbelief and hidden shame?
@IsaHamzaBilal and what if what Jesus said is true: Joh 8:24 "I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for IF YOU BELIEVE NOT THAT I AM HE, ye shall die in your sins" - who? If we don't believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Anointed One/Messiah come in the flesh..what if we don't believe our only chance for Salvation...? If we miss the offer or turn away and turn our back on this gift offered to us? what excuse will we have?
@seekingthegod Like I said before. 8:24 simply means that people need ot accept his prophethood and his message. Jesus was not trying to portray that he was God. That's where the Christians get it wrong. You guys are looking to find truth in this trinity, however God will punish those who associate partners with him ie. Jesus or the holy spirit. Do you know that tthe Holy Spirit is God? Christian try and make it seem as if its another entity all together. Why would ALL-MIGHT God need a helper?
@IsaHamzaBilal From what I understand, the Holy Spirit IS God, not 'another entity'. I haven't seen anyone thinking that the Holy Spirit is 'another entity'- where did you see this? As for your question 'why would Almighty God need a helper?' - I don't think he does, its US that need the Helper isn't it? After all if we were all that God wanted us to be, then what's the point of sending The Helper? John 14:6
@IsaHamzaBilal John 14:16 "And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; " - this is 'The Helper' isn't it?..the one that Jesus said would be 'In us' in John 14:17 ? "for he dwelleth with you, and shall be IN YOU"
@seekingthegod Isaiah 59:2 Is speaking of the Christians or with all respects, people like you. Because you woun't listen. None of the Prophets ever taught the theology of 3 people in one Godhead. This is clear from all the teachings. So why is it that this theology, after Jesus is now changed? Prophets taught One God. Jesus did the same. But you don't want to see it.
@IsaHamzaBilal re "Isaiah 59:2 Is speaking of the Christians or with all respects, people like you. Because you woun't listen" - is it? ...or is it speaking about ALL OF US?
Have you sinned? I know I have? Every thought that is not sancified is a sin isn't it? Isn't the point here that where it says in 59:2 " that he will not hear" - it means that when you pray, it seems like you are praying to a brick wall? all you hear are your own prayers..you don't HEAR God speaking back?
@IsaHamzaBilal How do you think the prophets received their prophecies? Didn't they receive them because they HEARD them? Doesn't this mean that if the Prophets Heard God, that God speaks to them? And if God speaks, here in Isaiah 59:2 isn't this showing us that we are supposed to Hear God? Do you hear God? ever?
@IsaHamzaBilal You see brother, from what I read here, its telling me that if we don't hear God speaking to us, then its because we are "separated between you and your God, and your sins have hid his face from you"...what else could this mean?
@IsaHamzaBilal "But you don't want to see it" ...of course I do. As far as I am concerned there can only be One Creator. I'm not very interested in a trinity. I don't see God as 3 gods or even 3 parts. For me God is in total unity. Its up to Him how he wants to show himself to us, isn't it? I can't tell God the Creator who he is..that he has to be 100 hundreds parts of God or has to only show himself as 1 God...who am I to tell God or boss him about?
@IsaHamzaBilal but the real message in Isaiah 59:2 is about our sin separating us from God so that He won't hear us and we Don't hear him, isn't this what it is saying here?
@IsaHamzaBilal so the question for me and I guess also for you, in response to Isaiah 59:2 is this: do we Hear God speaking to us, PERSONALLY? Listen brother, I'm walking the journey of life, just like you are! If there is only 1 God, can we hear that True God speaking to us, personally OR have our sins separated us from him so that we can't Hear him speak to us? (and he won't hear us)
@IsaHamzaBilal therefore even if God knows an 'exact time' of Christ's return, this would mean that since Christ while on earth was limited in knowledge to the full revelation of Torah, but not be given information like 'exact time' of Christ's return. In other words, if Christ was to be a 'perfect man example, demonstrating faith & obedience to God', then for this to be valid, he would not be able to have information that was secret to God, as this would invalidate his example
@seekingthegod No prophet nor person has full (total and complete) knowledge of God. We only know what God allows us to know. There is no purpose in us knowing everything anyway. How many times has your parents or boss at work told you to do something and when you asked why they told you that you dont need to know, just do it? They say these things because what they do know is beneficial for you. However human have flaws and God doesnt. So when God tell you something, you can take it to the bank
@IsaHamzaBilal As I see it, the meaning of Christ 'taking on flesh' or in John 1 "the word became flesh", means that The Word or Christ took on the limitations of a human being so that he did not have superhuman physical abilities or superhuman mental abilities, or superhuman knowledge that only God has. Anything other than these limitations would invalidate his example of a man demonstrating complete submission, faith and obedience to God.
@seekingthegod Basically John 1:1 means that God will send a messenger to the tirbe of the Jews. and that this messenger will know the Law of God better than the previous prophets. So the Word of God is simpy the Law of God. The best representitive for God's Law/word. This does not mean he is The son nor that he is divine. Jesus is only a man.
@IsaHamzaBilal on this basis, it doesn't 'change Christ's title in any way, it simply explains the limitations he chose or was given while in an earthly body.
Of course, I'm open to other explanations but this is the one that has convinced me most so far.
With this passage/verse (Mark 12:29) alone in the Bible, you can see how some may come to the conclusion that Ms. Penrose-Davis came to even though she's Christian. Jesus (peace be upon him) is not, and never claimed to be God.
Jesus (peace be upon him) I have never read called himself "God" or "Creator", but stated in Mark 12:29:" Hear O Israel; the Lord OUR God is one Lord." And he instructed the scribe to love that God, (not himself), with all his heart, soul, mind, etc. Why do others place him up HIGHER than he has himself?!
@amuslima99 Good question. What I don't get is how is it that Jesus could ascend to heaven "to be with his father", if he was just a man? How can a man ascend to a Holy Heaven to be with a Holy God? Wouldn't he be burnt up in the fire of God's Holiness? Also, I don't get how a man can "come down from Heaven" or be "from God" as Jesus said he was, if he was just a man?
Well, that's possible because of the power of Allah (God). Just like Pro. Elijah (peace be upon him) in the Bible speaks that he was taken up in a whirlwind--provided by God. We are told in the Qur'an that Allah took Jesus (pbuh) up to Heaven. That he was saved from death on the cross.His prayers (said in Gethsemane) were answered. This is easy for Allah. A man, by his own power, would not be able to come down from Heaven anymore than he would be able to go up.
@amuslima99 It doesn't seem to make sense. Either he was Higher (from God/heaven) and went back again, or he was just a man and didn't - you can't have it both ways! Which was it? Also I don't get Psalm 2:7 where it says " the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee" if this was God saying to Jesus, "this day I have begotten thee" and that he was his "Son", then how could he speak to him when he was only just being born as a baby?
@amuslima99 It sounds like Christ was there before he was born if God "THE LORD" was able to speak to him saying "this day I have begotten thee" ? And not only that why does God give Jesus who was just a man or prophet, the "ends of the Earth to be his possession" if he was just a man? I never heard of any man being given the uttermost parts of the earth to possess, have you?
@amuslima99 Also in Isaiah 9:6-7 where it talks of the son born, he is given a kingdom for ever? Can you help me understand all this please? thanks your help will be appreciated.
@seekingthegod Yes, but I'm not a scholar. Again, it's as puzzling to me as it is to you. All I know, and what makes sense to me is that Jesus (peace be upon him) while not being the Son of God is the Son of Mary. He was a prophet of God sent to the Israelite Tribes (Jesus (pbuh) being from the tribe of Judah) to reinterate the teachings of Moses (pbuh). He only came for the Israelite people. According to the Bible he ordered his disciples not to go to the Gentiles.
may allah leads her to islam
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God always help people with open mind like this Author, SAY IT LOUD...
julio14335 3 weeks ago
Do you see? It's just clear like that! That there is only one God, Who sent all those beloved prophets and messengers to guide us to the straight path. And this is the issue of Islam speaking about since 1400 years but unfortunately many people not yet accept this truth.!!!!
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Thanks for uploading and Ms Joy is very close to the religion of islam as she believes in one God.
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Thanks for uploading and Ms.Joy is very close to the religion of islam as he believes in one God
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may Allah guide her to the truth inshallah, ameen, the host is a muslim, right?
pantherlake2002 1 month ago
@pantherlake2002 That's right, the host Mr. Ian Boyne is a revert to Islam, may allah guide Ms Joy Penrose too
MCDebate 1 month ago
@MCDebate ameen,
pantherlake2002 1 month ago
She is a step closer to Islam
t10parwani 1 month ago
@seekingthegod we are all the children of Adam and Eve, maybe Mary had a brother named Aaron, cause people used to name their children after the prophets.
Hashim60070 1 month ago
@Hashim60070 Oh, is that why? Can you show me Mary's family please cause I don't know who they were? I didn't think the Bible mentioned Mary having a brother name Aaron? Please can you send me a quote for that one so I can check it?
seekingthegod 1 month ago
@Hashim60070 Also, did you find the answer to the question I asked you about Isaiah 9:6, where it seems to say that God had a son who he called the "Mighty God"? Who is this and how does this fit in with the Quran please? I also need someone to explain to me please how in Isaiah 9:7 the same person is given a Kingdom for ever - sounds very much like Christ claimed doesn't it?
seekingthegod 1 month ago
"Then she brought the child to her folk, carrying him, and they said, "Mary, you have surely committed a monstrous thing. Sister of Aaron, your father was not a wicked man, nor your mother a woman unchaste. Mary pointed to the child; but they said, 'Hoe shall we speak to one who still in the cradle, a little child. And he said, 'Lo, I am God's servant, God has given me the Book and made me a Prophet Blessed He has made me ,wherever/may be; and hi has enjoined me to prayer, and to give the alms
Hashim60070 1 month ago
@Hashim60070 I don't get that text you posted. Was Mary (Jesus mother), the sister of Aaron? Isn't that about 1500 years earlier? I thought Aaron was Moses brother? Something's not right with the text! Are you sure you quoted it properly? It doesn't make sense.
seekingthegod 1 month ago
@seekingthegod.
Hashim60070 1 month ago
Another thing that is puzzling me about this video: the speaker quoted Hebrews 2:17 about Jesus being "made like us in all things" as a human and saying how can Christ be made like sinful man. At the same time the speaker said that "God cannot die but Jesus died", confirming that he was executed, but also if he was "made like us", then wouldn't we expect a human to die? The two so called contradictions seem to contradict each other! Can someone explain this please?
seekingthegod 1 month ago
@seekingthegod You're right. It is puzzling. And it should be something easy and reasonable to understand since our salvation hangs on its belief ! It can't be explained because it makes absolutely no sense. But many Christians believe that Jesus (peace be upon him) is 100% God and 100% man !!! Now how can that be possible? And where does Jesus (pbuh) state this about himself in the New Testament?
amuslima99 1 month ago
@amuslima99 Ok thanks for your answer. There's a problem here though because if it doesn't make sense that Christ was just a man & at the same time he's going to be given a Kingdom that would last for ever according to Isaiah 9:7 & Psalms 2:7-8, then first Why would he be given such authority and control over all the nations; and secondly, if how could God be speaking to him both Before he was born & After he has died? There's a massive piece of the jigsaw missing here isn't there?
seekingthegod 1 month ago
@amuslima99 I don't know how Christ could be 100% man and 100% God, but if we're talking about spiritual things, do they come in percentages? For instance, I've heard that Mohammed had a night dream or travel to a holy place, but what percentage of him went to the place and which percentage stayed asleep in the same place? I'm not sure you can make measurements of spiritual things like that can you?
seekingthegod 1 month ago
@amuslima99 didn't Jesus call himself something else.."Son of Man" taken from Daniel wasn't it? here it is - Daniel 7:13 "I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him" The Son of Man comes to the Ancient of Days (God) and then he's given the whole Earth in Daniel 7:14 !
seekingthegod 1 month ago
@amuslima99 Why is Christ given the Whole Earth when he's just a man or just a prophet? Are any prophets given the whole Earth? Dan 7:14 "And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed"
seekingthegod 1 month ago
@amuslima99 the problem for me is these things can't be in the Bible for nothing, they must be there for a purpose. if I don't understand what they mean or why they are there, that doesn't make them untrue and doesn't change anything just because i don't understand it!
seekingthegod 1 month ago
@seekingthegod You're right. All holy books were given by God to a particular people for their instruction. As time went on, some people changed what was originally written in the Bible to suit their own purposes. That's why some verses seem to contradict other verses. Still God knows what was stated in them and those who made changes will have to stand account for that. When you find time go to the Muslim Christian Dialogue Channel and watch the debate "Is the New Testament as
amuslima99 1 month ago
@amuslima99 ok thanks, I'll go and watch that. The verses I gave you were from the Old Testament though not the New Testament. What you say is interesting - who changed what was originally written in the Bible? Also if it was as you say for their own purposes, then why was it for their own purposes if it meant that Jerusalem would be destroyed? eg Daniel 9:26 ? seems, self defeating? It can't have been changed after Christ because its the same text exactly in the Dead Sea scrolls
seekingthegod 1 month ago
@amuslima99 At least the Quran hasn't changed much, so maybe that is more reliable as being the same as the original text? The problem is though that if it didn't agree with the Bible accounts in the first place, then the question is why and how do we know for certain which book is right?
seekingthegod 1 month ago
@seekingthegod Because it remains consistent. There are no contradictions. It is revealed in the original language, Arabic. Some Qurans have English Translations and some do not. But many people how learned how to read and write Arabic. The Bible wasn't revealed in English. And much of it has been found in Greek. Jesus never spoke Greek. Also @ Muslim-Christian dialogue check out the video "Was Paul the Founder of Christianity" w/ Shabir Ally and Dr. Shellington. Very Good debate.
amuslima99 1 month ago
@seekingthegod I meant many people know how to read Arabic. You'll never find a Qur'an in all English. If you ever do it would not be considered a Quran. It deals with all the subjects which concern us as human beings: wisdom, doctrine, worship, but its basic theme is the relationship between God and His creatures. At the same time it provides guidelines on proper human conduct, etc. At the end of the day, like anything, its what you read that makes sense to you.
amuslima99 1 month ago
@amuslima99 my quran is in English.
seekingthegod 1 month ago
@seekingthegod If its all in English without the Arabic it can't be considered a Quran.
amuslima99 1 month ago
@seekingthegod And what is stated in the Quran has always made sense to me. When a book is translated in a language different from what it was first revealed in, it losses something in translation. Allah promised He would never allow the Quran to be corrupted. It is easy for me to believe this.
amuslima99 1 month ago
@amuslima99 So if the Old Testament was as you say given by God to a particular people for their instruction, is that the same with the Quran for a particular people, 7th century Arabs? And also, if the OT was given to the Israelites only, then why is it pointing into the future now, since Daniel 9:27 hasn't yet happened? (Christ given all nations to serve him ) It has to mean some time in the future, but not only that doesn't it concern all people since it talks about all nations?
seekingthegod 1 month ago
@seekingthegod The Holy Quran is the last revealed Book of God and was sent to instruct all people. The Old Testament, New T, Psalms were sent to the Israelite tribes. They were instructed and commanded to do things Gentiles (non-Jews) were not. I sent you a message @ your channel about the websites and channels I thought could better answer your questions than I can. But again, the Holy Quran was revealed by God to the Angel Gabriel to Pro. Muhammad -the last Prophet of God.
amuslima99 1 month ago
@amuslima99 thank you sister. I'm sure you must be as open to seeking the truth as I am and that is why I must find out the answers to these questions in case I miss out anything that God has instructed us. If I do miss something, then it will be my fault for not searching for the truth won't it? It is no use me just settling down to some doctrine even if someone have convinced me it was right, when there may be so much more to learn?
seekingthegod 1 month ago
@seekingthegod By all means ! That's why I'm sending you to other sources who can better explain it than I. To me my answers lie within Islam and the Quran. But you are not muslim so I can understand your need to search in other places. The best info. to me comes lies in those places I mentioned.
amuslima99 1 month ago
@amuslima99 If the Quran is right to follow, then for me it must confirm the Bible as Mohammed claimed, but so far, what I'm getting is that it doesn't. Much of what I've found out so far is that the Quran contradicts the Bible, which is leading me to question whether the Quran is in error. For instance Daniel 9:24-27 verses I showed you, its all beginnning to look like Islam has missed the boat and Angel Gabrielle contradicted himself? (which cannot be the case)
seekingthegod 1 month ago
@amuslima99 you see if the Quran never mentioned any of the Biblical characters or accounts, then for me it might be plausible, but because it does and from what I've understood so far, it gets the stories wrong, it's looking like it has lots of errors?
seekingthegod 1 month ago
@amuslima99 For instance you say the Holy Quran was "revealed by God to the Angel Gabriel to Pro. Muhammad -the last Prophet of God" - but this raises for me a hard question again because back to Daniel 9:24 Angel Gabrielle told Daniel that after Christ would make the sacrifice for sin, that Prophecy would be Sealed or finished: "make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy" Dan 9:24
seekingthegod 1 month ago
@seekingthegod Ask Jerald F. Dirks about this. Like I said, he was a minister. Very knowledgable about the Christian and Islamic faith. Please go to his channel.
amuslima99 1 month ago
@seekingthegod Have sins come to end in your opinion?
amuslima99 1 month ago
@amuslima99 No, not like that - its talking about making "reconciliation for iniquity", bringing an end or closure of sins. The Hebrew word used for 'end' here is "khaw-tham" meaning to "close up" and it looks like in the context of this verse it means to reconcile the sinner to God. But my opinion isn't important, I'm only reading and looking at what is written.
seekingthegod 1 month ago
@amuslima99 if God Sealed up prophets after Christ, then how can Mohammed or anyone else be a Prophet?
seekingthegod 1 month ago
@seekingthegod Some don't even believe Christ was a Prophet of God. That he was only the "Son" or "God in Flesh". Read in the Bible where God stated He would raise up a Prophet from among THEIR brethren.Who would be like Moses.(because God was speaking to Moses at the time). The brethren of the Israelites is the Ishmaelites. Abraham (pbuh) was father to Ishmael (pbuh) (the Pro. Muhammad's decendent) and the father of Issac (pbuh) the decendant of the Israelites.
amuslima99 1 month ago
@amuslima99 Oh yes, I know that one its in Deuteronomy 18:18, but some muslims try to claim this was Mohammed but you're right it wasn't mohammed because he wasn't of the brethren and nor was he a Levite who were being spoken to at the time. Yes, I don't doubt at all that it meant Jesus and neither do I doubt that one of Christ's ministries was a prophet. The thing that makes him unique is that he's the messiah both in the Quran and the Bible, and there is only one promised Messiah
seekingthegod 1 month ago
@seekingthegod Moses and Muhammad (peace be upon them both) were similar to each other than Jesus was to either one of them. Moses and Muhammad were born of both parents. Both were married. Both had children. Both died natural deaths. Jesus was miraculously conceived. He was not married. He had no children. He has not died yet.
amuslima99 1 month ago
@amuslima99 pardon me, but do you know any prophets who never had a father and never died, or do you know anyone that this happened to? I don't know anyone who is 2000 yrs old, but you are saying this is how old Jesus is?
seekingthegod 1 month ago
@amuslima99 Is this 'just a prophet'? or even a man?
seekingthegod 1 month ago
@seekingthegod cont. "Is the New Testament as it exists today the Inspired word of God" with Shabir Ally and Dr. David White. Shabir Ally has the opening statement (1 of 4). Then follow that title to Dr. White's opening statement ( 2 of 4 ), follow the title to their Rebuttals ( 3 or 4 ), and ending with their Q & A w/ the same title (4 of 4 ). Maybe it can enlightening you about the New Testament from a Muslim and Christian's point of view.
amuslima99 1 month ago
@amuslima99 Then something more I discovered. In Daniel 9:26 it says about how the Messiah came to Israel, was "cut off" and then the city of Jerusalem would be destroyed. "And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined" written 100's yrs before Christ!
seekingthegod 1 month ago
@amuslima99 Daniel 9:26 makes sense to me if Christ was "cut off" or Crucified and then after that the city was destroyed by the Romans from AD 70 when the Temple was destroyed. It seems to call the Temple "the sanctuary" in Daniel 9:26. It seems to me that this was 100% correct as a prophecy of Christ coming, then him being cut off or crucified and then the Temple or sanctuary and the City destroyed by the Romans - I get that bit at least!
seekingthegod 1 month ago
@amuslima99 then that brings me to another problem - how come the Quran says Christ wasn't crucified if Daniel 9:26 was correct? Why doesn't the Quran agree with the Bible on this? How are we supposed to know what is right when the Quran and the Bible say different things about Christ?
seekingthegod 1 month ago
Next thing I want an answer to is, the speaker quoted 1 Corinthians 15:28 about the Son or Christ being also subject to God, but the verse starts by saying that "all things shall be subdued unto him (Christ)", but if Christ is just a man then why are all things subdued unto Him? Also in verse 15:24 it says that Christ will put down all authority and power and in 27 that all things will be "under his feet". Can someone explain why just a man (Christ) is given such power and authority as if God?
seekingthegod 1 month ago
How come he is ascending to God or his father, when no one else does? I thought people don't go until the Resurrection? Can someone explain this please? Something doesn't add up here if he is just a man?
seekingthegod 1 month ago
I need to ask some questions about this video please as there are some things which the speaker said which don't seem to add up for me:
1) He quoted John 17:20 where Jesus says do not hold me, I have not yet ascended to the Father, my God and your God. The speaker said how can Jesus be God. What I want to know is what is Jesus doing going to God for when he was just a man according to the speaker?
seekingthegod 1 month ago
"And when God said, 'O Jesus, son of Mary, did you say unto men, "Take me and my mother as gods, apart from God"? He said, 'To you be glory! It is not mine to say what I have no right to. If I indeed said it, you would have known it, knowing what is within my heart, though I do not know your knowledge; you know the things unseen. I only said to them what you did commands me: "Serve God, my God and your God." (Al-Maida 5-116)
Hashim60070 1 month ago
@Hashim60070 Then there's another thing that I need an answer to please, the speaker said "Jesus was born yet God is eternal, so how can Jesus be God etc", but then if Isaiah 9:6 is telling us of Jesus being born and if he is just a man, then why does it say in this verse that he is called "The Mighty God"? and why is someone who is just a man given a kingdom that lasts for ever, in Isaiah 9:7 ? Please can someone explain this to me, because this isn't adding up.
seekingthegod 1 month ago
She is absolutely right, if you read the Quran u will know who jesus really was.
Hashim60070 1 month ago
THE BIBLE IS THE MARK OF THE BEAST. God didn't send a bible. He sent the Holy ghost, the laws are written in us not in a book. King james was born 6, 1566. 6th out of the house of Stuart, He authorized 66 books and gave them power to speak (the bible says). You can't buy the word of God. More then 2 billion people say "the bible teaches me truth" but they all believe something different. Pray and ask God to show you the truth. 'we are the temple, we are the book
MarkofBeastRevealed 1 month ago
Where is Sam Shamoun ? lol
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AgainstTheExtremism 1 month ago
also a person needs to remmber if person is born in sin & jesus(p.b.u.h) was born then he like a humen would be born in sin. the other point being if he dead for sin then what akily are people born in cuzz it cant b any form of sin as thats allready takin away. along side god saying no eye can see god and no humen is god Numbers 23:19
God is not a man, that he should lie, nor a son of man, that he should change his mind. Does he speak and then not act? Does he promise and not fulfill?
rudeboywaz 1 month ago
@rudeboywaz Oh, Jesus was born in sin? I'm trying to get some answers on these issues because I need to understand these things, but the trouble is, the more I hear, the more questions seem to come! So if Jesus was born in sin as you say, then why would the Angel Gabrielle sent from God, have any part with sin? I thought that a Holy God could not have any part of sin?
seekingthegod 1 month ago
@rudeboywaz Why does it say in Matthew 1:20 "the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, 'Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost' " , because if Jesus was conceived by the Holy Ghost, doesn't that make Jesus born Holy if the Holy Ghost is Holy? I don't get it. Can you explain this please?
seekingthegod 1 month ago
@seekingthegod
the simplest answer to that would be its a dem it could not meen anything o im a muslim thos i dont beleive in this idolre of trintry and on as god is not the auther of conroson and if he aint that itshould make since aswell as god shouldnt be counderdickingg himslef time and time agan ..
also if the holy spirt wain jesus(p.b.u.h) then once agan it shows jesus(p.b.u.h) inspird by the holly spirt would not need it to come if the holly spirt was allredy there
rudeboywaz 1 month ago
@rudeboywaz oh thanks! but about the Holy Spirit, isn't that Spirit? And if it is Spirit, is it confined to one place at a time? I thought the Bible says in Psalm 139:7 that the Holy Spirit is everywhere at the same time, so why is that a problem? look here at Psalm 139:7 to see what I read - "Where can I go from your Spirit? Where can I flee from your presence?" Seems to me that the Holy Spirit could be in Jesus and in Heaven and earth at the same time! Doesn't it to you?
seekingthegod 1 month ago
no offense christians but ....the lady looks like she's having a cult trying to explain a cult...jus sayin... :/
abashammusba 1 month ago
I always wonder why these people, who come to the conclusion that what they have believed about Jesus to be God is no longer true, then why don't they just accept Islam? I mean what she is thinking is a muslim mind-set. May Allah guide her to Islam, insha'Allah.
IsaHamzaBilal 1 month ago
@IsaHamzaBilal Yes, you know what puzzles me is this: how come she thinks that after just 5 yrs and writing a book, she thinks that her conclusion must be more right than the apostles, James, John, Peter, Paul, Thomas, etc who all said Jesus was God because of the miracles they had seen? I mean this lady hasn't seen a single one of Jesus miracles or ever heard Jesus preach, yet she seems to be telling the world that she knows better than the disciples who heard and saw all this!
seekingthegod 1 month ago
@IsaHamzaBilal I don't get it? Isn't it sort of arrogant for someone like you or me or this lady, (just ordinary people), to decide that they know more than the disciples who believed Jesus was God and were prepared to die for what they believed? It's kind of cheap isn't it, when the disciples were martyred and gave their lives because they had seen great miracles and heard Jesus preach and reveal what was in anyone's life and thoughts? I don't understand why someone says this?
seekingthegod 1 month ago
@seekingthegod Well, my friend, I appreciate the fact that your statement did not have any sarcasm. I love to engage with people like you. However, I'd like to kind ask you to reevaluate the Bible. And please understand that, no, I am not be rude or sarcastic myself. So, with that said, Jesus never once in the whole Gospel said that he was God. If you can produce a verse where Jesus himself says that he is God and to worship him I will become a Christian. Must be his own words though.
IsaHamzaBilal 1 month ago
@IsaHamzaBilal that's fine. I'm looking for some answers to some questions because I am seeking the truth. I'll be looking in the Bible, the Quran and maybe elsewhere, because I need answers. I am already evaluating the Bible and the Quran. As for sarcasm, I'm not interested in sarcasm - what's the point? It doesn't answer my questions! and I have lots of questions, maybe you know the answers to some of them?
seekingthegod 1 month ago
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@IsaHamzaBilal re "If you can produce a verse where Jesus himself says that he is God and to worship him I will become a Christian" - I didn't ask you to become a Christian and I didn't say that Jesus said he was God.
seekingthegod 1 month ago
@seekingthegod There are many statements, however, in the Bible that make Jesus less than God. Like Jesus in the garden before he was arrested; he prostrated and prayed to God. Or when he said no one (no human) at any time has seen the father. The father is greater than I. why do you call me good, when the only thing that is good is God. I do not know when the Hour will come, only God knows. Or when he told Mary of magdalen not to hold on to him cuz he has not ascended to the father yet.
IsaHamzaBilal 1 month ago
@IsaHamzaBilal re "when he told Mary of magdalen not to hold on to him cuz he has not ascended to the father yet" - well you know that is a curious thing, because what was Jesus doing "ascending to the father" anyway?? First why was he ascending to God? The resurrection hasn't happened yet and if Jesus was just a "man/prophet", what on earth was he doing ascending to a Holy God? Second, why was Jesus calling God his "Father"?? I'd be grateful if you could explain these please?
seekingthegod 1 month ago
@seekingthegod Well, we have to look at the situation. Jesus was being persecuted be the Jews because they did not like the message he was bringing. His message was exposing the hypocrisy of the Jewish leaders. The method of which the Jew wanted Jesus dead was a shameful one. The Jews knew that if they were to kill Jesus by crucifixion they would be able to destroy his whole message and proclaim Jesus to be cursed by God.
IsaHamzaBilal 1 month ago
@IsaHamzaBilal I see. So if he was 'cursed' by God, then how come he was resurrected by God?
seekingthegod 1 month ago
@seekingthegod Also, killing Jesus would be a clear indication that Jesus is not the Messiah. The Jews know that the Messiah cannot be killed, so if they kill Jesus, then they have succeeded in proving he is not the Messiah. If the Messiah lives then he is the true Messiah. According to the Christians, Jesus is the true Messiah, but how is that true if they believe Jesus died?
IsaHamzaBilal 1 month ago
@IsaHamzaBilal Is it? I thought it proved that he is the Messiah in Psalm 22 the psalm of crucifixion he was reciting? "they have pierced my hands and my feet" etc? It's pretty clear in Isaiah 53 that he was crucified and fulfilled that prophecy, but does that mean he wasn't the Messiah even though he said he was?
seekingthegod 1 month ago
@seekingthegod So the Qu'ran tells us the true story of Jesus. That God saved Jesus of this and that which they proclaim of killing him is only conjecture. We, Muslims, believe is that Jesus was never killed hence, he is the Messiah. So, as to you question about what he was doing ascending to the Father, this will be the answer. God saved Jesus from this shameful death. If you believe that God can do anything then God can raise Jesus up at anytime. Just like God can do so now if he wanted to.
IsaHamzaBilal 1 month ago
@IsaHamzaBilal How can the Quran tell the true story of Jesus when it was separated from Jesus by over 600 years with no witnesses of any kind to Jesus life, either first, second, third, fourth hand etc? For instance, if I started writing a biography of Mohammed now, why would my biography be true, but the biographies of Mohammed by his contemporary generation be untrue?
seekingthegod 1 month ago
@IsaHamzaBilal Another thing I find puzzling is when you say that the Jews who saw Christ crucified on the cross, including the women who were talking to him on the cross and Joseph of Arimethea and Nicodemus, his friends who took his body down from the cross, were all just having a 'conjecture'? I mean if you were with a loved one while they were being executed, you would know it it was the one you loved or not wouldn't you?
seekingthegod 1 month ago
@IsaHamzaBilal And when later if you had to bury their body, you would know it was them wouldn't you, the one you loved?
seekingthegod 1 month ago
@IsaHamzaBilal You say you believe that Jesus wasn't crucified, but what evidence from historians or manuscripts etc do you have to back up this idea, please? If you can show me one, this may be something that I can show others about to prove that he wasn't really crucified?
seekingthegod 1 month ago
@IsaHamzaBilal re the ascending to the Father, yes what I wanted to know was why Jesus was calling God, "Father" and secondly, how an ordinary man or 'prophet' as you describe him would be allowed to be next to a Holy God? The point is, if Jesus was just a man, how can he ascend to God when no man can see God or be allowed to see God or be with him?
seekingthegod 1 month ago
@seekingthegod As far as why Jesus was calling God Father, that is simply a means of saying the creator. And there has been many times where I have went to the House of God and when people ask me where I'm going, I simply tell them I am going to the house of my Father. I don't mean literally that God is my father. During Jewish times, Any person(s) who was doing the will of God was called a child of God. Doesn't mean its literal. And the saying was being used way before Jesus.
IsaHamzaBilal 1 month ago
@IsaHamzaBilal re Father, so do you call God "Father" when you speak to him? Also, when you speak to your own Father, do you call him Father because:
a) He is biologically your father
or
b) He is your Daddy and you have a bonded relationship with him as the son?
seekingthegod 1 month ago
@IsaHamzaBilal Do you know prophets who ascend to God and call him 'Father'? By the way, according to Islam is he still alive? If so, that makes him 2000 yrs old doesn't it? But I don't know any man who lived to be 2000 yrs old and what does he eat?
seekingthegod 1 month ago
@seekingthegod As far as Jesus's age, I believe you are just being trapped up by the a humanist perspective. Where its hard for you to see that God can do anything. If God can create anything from nothing and if God can sustain lifeor if he could sustain the lives of the Angels, then surely God can keep Jesus alive by any means He deems necessary. If God wanted you to live forever then you would. But the Qu'ran explicitly states that every sould created into existence will taste death.
IsaHamzaBilal 1 month ago
@IsaHamzaBilal thanks you said "God can keep Jesus alive by any means He deems necessary", but what is the purpose of Jesus being alive in a human body but not living on earth for 2000 years? Even if God produces meat, fish, vegetables and bakes bread in Heaven for Jesus to eat and a toilet in heaven for him to flush, why doesn't he live on earth where he could continue to preach and heal all over the world?
seekingthegod 1 month ago
@seekingthegod Well, I would say, if God can do whatever he wants then this means simply, that God can keep Jesus alive. No rational human being will ever tell you they know for a fact that Jesus is in a physical body in the heavens. This is why I said that God uses any means He wants. Do you think Angels eat and drink? God needs no food nor drink to survive. Food and drink are a weakness that all humans succum to. If God did need food and water to live, then He wouldn't be God.
IsaHamzaBilal 1 month ago
@IsaHamzaBilal well, you may know better than I do, but as far as I understand it, Angels are not human beings as we know them, requiring food, waste or reproducing, so food and drink would not apply to them. However ALL human bodies whether for the purpose of an ordinary man OR for the purpose of Christ being manifest on earth, ALL require Food and Drink and as a matter of fact, the Bible says we have been given 3 score years and 10 to live on average, but 2000 yrs? not human!
seekingthegod 1 month ago
@IsaHamzaBilal so "every soul created into existence will taste death" this means that Jesus had to have died doesn't it? So if God can do "anything" as you say, and he can "create anything from nothing", does this mean God is omnipotent or all powerful? He can do anything? Why then do muslims say that he isn't allowed to have a son then? He can do anything but he isn't allowed to have a literal son for the temporary purpose of a mission on earth?
seekingthegod 1 month ago
@seekingthegod The very reason why Jesus must come back is because he will fulfill the rest of his mission and then he will die. That's why god saved him from the shameful crucificxion. Yes, God is All-Powerful/Omnipotent. The humans bare children would be Disgraceful to God. Begetting kids is a low status for God. He needs not sons nor daughters. Do you know what happens if there are two rulers in 1 kingdom? War! Jesus cannot be the literal son of God.
IsaHamzaBilal 1 month ago
@IsaHamzaBilal Oh yes, I heard that Jesus must come back and live for 40 yrs get married, have a family, die and then be buried next to Mohammed!...but what for??
But if there are not 2 rulers in one Kingdom, but 1 ruler God in Christ, then maybe there's no problem and literal or not, God is still 1
seekingthegod 1 month ago
@IsaHamzaBilal I will ask you more about your idea of Christ's mission, as I want to know what exactly you think he is going to do?
seekingthegod 1 month ago
@seekingthegod The Islamic perspective is that Jesus will come back when God deems necessary. The time when Jesus or the last day, no one But God has this information. Christians, Jews and Muslims all belives this fact. This is why Jesus cannot be God. Because only God knows when the last our will occur. So when the Disciples asked Jesus when the Last Hour will come, Jesus simply told them that no man knows when that time is, clearly this takes this title from Jeus that he is God.
IsaHamzaBilal 1 month ago
@IsaHamzaBilal Oh I see how you are thinking about it. What I have understood about it is slightly different. God isn't waiting for a specific time as in Feb 26 2012 at 9pm, etc, but God is waiting for a particular condition on the earth to be 'ripe' for the return of Christ. The reason this is likely to be the correct view is that the Bible is very consistent in God's principles and you can see this same principle happening time and time again.
seekingthegod 1 month ago
@seekingthegod Its funny you thru that date out there. My Bday is Feb 26th lol. Anyway, once God feels the time is right, He will continue with His plan. And the only reason I say "Feels" is because no one knows when the Last Hour will come. However, when the time does come we will know it for sure. And please remember that Muslims don't think that the whole Bible is currupted. We know there are things in the Bible that are true. And whatever is true, then we accept as truth.
IsaHamzaBilal 1 month ago
@IsaHamzaBilal re Feb 26 2012, take that as from the Lord. Don't ask me to explain it. God does this with me. A similar incident happened while I was at work! Without any reason to suspect it, I told a young lady at work that she was going to have a baby. She knew nothing about it and was as you would guess, surprised to say the least! Two weeks later, she was confirmed to be expecting ( a blessing for her and her husband).
seekingthegod 1 month ago
@IsaHamzaBilal God never gave dates or times in the Bible for any of the prophesied events, but what he always seems to have done is to say that when man's wickedness reaches a certain level of evil, he will act, punish, exile, etc.
seekingthegod 1 month ago
@IsaHamzaBilal So when it comes to the 2nd coming of Christ, the reason Christ could not know the exact time of his return is because there isn't an exact time. God is waiting for certain conditions to be in place on earth before he sends Christ again.
seekingthegod 1 month ago
@seekingthegod Yes, you are exactly right. The 2nd coming of Christ will be when God has met all the prophecies. And when Jesus comes back he will kill the Djjal (Antichrist), destroy all the swine, break the cross, and destroy the Kabbah in Mecca. He will be the head Imam and will lead prayer.
IsaHamzaBilal 1 month ago
@IsaHamzaBilal what do you mean "when God has met all the prophecies"? which prophecies?
when you say "swine" are these actually pigs or is this a euphamisms for Jews and Christians? (no offence to you intended)
What do you mean by "break the cross" what does that mean?
he will "destroy the Kabaa"?...well I have to admit, that's the first time I heard that one! why?
seekingthegod 1 month ago
@IsaHamzaBilal Also, as I understand it, Christ was to be on earth 'as a man', not to be behaving 'like a God', as the Bible puts it he took on "flesh" which means that he limited himself to the nature of a man and therefore to a man's physical and mental abilities while on earth. How else could he demonstrate how to have faith in God and call God Father and depend 100% on God, if he actually walked around with all the knowledge of God?
seekingthegod 1 month ago
@seekingthegod Well, the Bible does it say that Jesus took on flesh. At least from what I know. If you're refering to the Gospel of John 1:1 then I feel you have misunderstood the meaning. And you ask how is it that Jesus can demonstrate the qualities of God? Well, we Muslims believe that all prophets were perfect examples of God's qualities. Not just Jesus. Although Jesus was a very powerful messenger, we need ot take him off of this pedestal and see that all prophets were perfect examples.
IsaHamzaBilal 1 month ago
@IsaHamzaBilal How do you understand John 1:14 then? Here it is: " And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth"
seekingthegod 1 month ago
@seekingthegod This verse is questionable. Because Jesus himself never claimed to be the Son of God or God like the Christians believe. "No man has ever seen the Father at anytime." If Jesus was God then this statement could not be true. And surely, If Jesus was to be God then all the other prophets would have mentioned this in early text, which they did not.
IsaHamzaBilal 1 month ago
@IsaHamzaBilal "No man has ever seen the Father at anytime." - then how can Jesus have ascended to heaven because that would mean he is with and seeing God?
seekingthegod 1 month ago
@seekingthegod The prophet Muhammad also ascended to the Heavens. You need to put in your mind that ALL the prophet were NOT normal men.
IsaHamzaBilal 1 month ago
@IsaHamzaBilal all the prophets were not normal men, hmm, but they're all buried in their graves, whereas, Christ ascended and never died in 2000 yrs?? doesn't sound too normal, does it to you?
seekingthegod 1 month ago
@IsaHamzaBilal and Mohammed is buried in a grave, even if he claimed to 'ascend to the heavens' - by comparison, his life was pretty normal, born of a mother and father, married, had children, died and is still buried in a grave.
seekingthegod 1 month ago
@IsaHamzaBilal You know, in the Quran it refers to Jesus as the "son of Mary", but the Bible never calls him that. He is always "Son of Man" or "Son of God", but the only person who is called "son of Mary" in the Bible is the disciple, John!
seekingthegod 1 month ago
@seekingthegod Well, that title Son of Mary, Muslims agree with. Son of Man or Son of God is a concoction. This is what I have been trying ot tell you all along. The Bible was complied by pagon romans during the council of Nicea in 325 CE. Pual is the center of the theology. 7/8 of the New testament was written by Paul. Paul was a Roman Jew. A bounty hunter. He was the one that said we need to believe the things in the Bible because of his self appiontment to prophethood. We do not believePaul.
IsaHamzaBilal 1 month ago
@IsaHamzaBilal The "son of Mary" title is only used of John the disciple. No one else in the Bible.
re Paul, why don't you believe the writings of Paul?
seekingthegod 1 month ago
@IsaHamzaBilal Why is John 1:14 "questionable"? How can the word of God be questionable? Didn't Jesus also say in John 8:23 "And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I AM FROM ABOVE: ye are of this world; I am not of this world.
seekingthegod 1 month ago
@IsaHamzaBilal Joh 8:24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins"
so in the verse 8:23 he said he Came from Above, from God and then later he "ascended" back to God. Doesn't sound like a normal man to me! Do you know anyone whose done this?
seekingthegod 1 month ago
@seekingthegod 8:24 simply means that if you do not believe in him being a messenger of God then you will die in you sins. Whenever a Prophet comes with a message from God we MUST believe in this prophet and message otherwise we will die in our sins. This statement is not exclusive to Jesus.
IsaHamzaBilal 1 month ago
@IsaHamzaBilal re John 8:24 "I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins" - what did he mean when he said "if you believe not that I am he" ? who?
seekingthegod 1 month ago
@IsaHamzaBilal then there's the "virgin birth" - doesn't your Quran say he was born to a virgin? and if he was, how can this be "normal"...I don't know any maternity ward where this has ever happened! Do you?
seekingthegod 1 month ago
@seekingthegod Adam and Eve were created from nothing. Jesus at least had a mother. Which is more difficult for God to do, Jesus who had a mother or Adam and Eve who had no father or mother? The Answer is obvious: These things are EASY for God. Whether from mother or from nothing.
IsaHamzaBilal 1 month ago
@IsaHamzaBilal re Adam & Eve - isn't the point that God's Word is to be born in us, so that we fulfill God's will in our lives? When it says in John 1:12 "But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:"
seekingthegod 1 month ago
@IsaHamzaBilal 1:13 "Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God" - isn't this saying that if we receive Christ and his words, his gospel, that he causes God's Word to be born in us, for Faith to replace Unbelief in us?
seekingthegod 1 month ago
@IsaHamzaBilal So when the Bible talks about Adam and Eve and the creation, isn't this about God creating his righteousness and holiness in our inner lives, so that we live only to please him in all that we think or say or do?
John 1:4 "In him was life; and the life was the light of men" - why is he the "light of men"? what does this mean?
seekingthegod 1 month ago
@IsaHamzaBilal and in John 1:5 where it says "the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not" - does this mean that he shines but we don't understand his light, or even that we don't want his light? Still more concerning if we shine a light into the inner recesses of our heart, would he find in the dark corners, sin, unbelief and hidden shame?
seekingthegod 1 month ago
@IsaHamzaBilal and what if what Jesus said is true: Joh 8:24 "I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for IF YOU BELIEVE NOT THAT I AM HE, ye shall die in your sins" - who? If we don't believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Anointed One/Messiah come in the flesh..what if we don't believe our only chance for Salvation...? If we miss the offer or turn away and turn our back on this gift offered to us? what excuse will we have?
seekingthegod 1 month ago
@seekingthegod Like I said before. 8:24 simply means that people need ot accept his prophethood and his message. Jesus was not trying to portray that he was God. That's where the Christians get it wrong. You guys are looking to find truth in this trinity, however God will punish those who associate partners with him ie. Jesus or the holy spirit. Do you know that tthe Holy Spirit is God? Christian try and make it seem as if its another entity all together. Why would ALL-MIGHT God need a helper?
IsaHamzaBilal 1 month ago
@IsaHamzaBilal From what I understand, the Holy Spirit IS God, not 'another entity'. I haven't seen anyone thinking that the Holy Spirit is 'another entity'- where did you see this? As for your question 'why would Almighty God need a helper?' - I don't think he does, its US that need the Helper isn't it? After all if we were all that God wanted us to be, then what's the point of sending The Helper? John 14:6
seekingthegod 1 month ago
@IsaHamzaBilal John 14:16 "And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; " - this is 'The Helper' isn't it?..the one that Jesus said would be 'In us' in John 14:17 ? "for he dwelleth with you, and shall be IN YOU"
seekingthegod 1 month ago
@IsaHamzaBilal I don't want to reject that hand that reaches out to me to save me, do you? what do you think?
seekingthegod 1 month ago
@IsaHamzaBilal Isaiah 59:1 "Behold, the LORD'S hand is not shortened, that it cannot save; neither his ear heavy, that it cannot hear:"
59:2 "But your iniquities have separated between you and your God, and your sins have hid his face from you, that he will not hear."
seekingthegod 1 month ago
@seekingthegod Isaiah 59:2 Is speaking of the Christians or with all respects, people like you. Because you woun't listen. None of the Prophets ever taught the theology of 3 people in one Godhead. This is clear from all the teachings. So why is it that this theology, after Jesus is now changed? Prophets taught One God. Jesus did the same. But you don't want to see it.
IsaHamzaBilal 1 month ago
@IsaHamzaBilal re "Isaiah 59:2 Is speaking of the Christians or with all respects, people like you. Because you woun't listen" - is it? ...or is it speaking about ALL OF US?
Have you sinned? I know I have? Every thought that is not sancified is a sin isn't it? Isn't the point here that where it says in 59:2 " that he will not hear" - it means that when you pray, it seems like you are praying to a brick wall? all you hear are your own prayers..you don't HEAR God speaking back?
seekingthegod 1 month ago
@IsaHamzaBilal How do you think the prophets received their prophecies? Didn't they receive them because they HEARD them? Doesn't this mean that if the Prophets Heard God, that God speaks to them? And if God speaks, here in Isaiah 59:2 isn't this showing us that we are supposed to Hear God? Do you hear God? ever?
seekingthegod 1 month ago
@IsaHamzaBilal You see brother, from what I read here, its telling me that if we don't hear God speaking to us, then its because we are "separated between you and your God, and your sins have hid his face from you"...what else could this mean?
seekingthegod 1 month ago
@IsaHamzaBilal "But you don't want to see it" ...of course I do. As far as I am concerned there can only be One Creator. I'm not very interested in a trinity. I don't see God as 3 gods or even 3 parts. For me God is in total unity. Its up to Him how he wants to show himself to us, isn't it? I can't tell God the Creator who he is..that he has to be 100 hundreds parts of God or has to only show himself as 1 God...who am I to tell God or boss him about?
seekingthegod 1 month ago
@IsaHamzaBilal but the real message in Isaiah 59:2 is about our sin separating us from God so that He won't hear us and we Don't hear him, isn't this what it is saying here?
seekingthegod 1 month ago
@IsaHamzaBilal so the question for me and I guess also for you, in response to Isaiah 59:2 is this: do we Hear God speaking to us, PERSONALLY? Listen brother, I'm walking the journey of life, just like you are! If there is only 1 God, can we hear that True God speaking to us, personally OR have our sins separated us from him so that we can't Hear him speak to us? (and he won't hear us)
seekingthegod 1 month ago
@IsaHamzaBilal remember, you said that as a muslim, you accept that some of the words in the Bible are from God, aren't these?
seekingthegod 1 month ago
@IsaHamzaBilal and then according to Islam, he's still alive and is now 2000 yrs old! ...the picture isn't exactly adding up to a normal man is it?
seekingthegod 1 month ago
@IsaHamzaBilal back later
seekingthegod 1 month ago
@IsaHamzaBilal So Jesus was just a messenger like all the rest?
seekingthegod 1 month ago
@seekingthegod Yes Jesus was only a man. A great man /prophet.
IsaHamzaBilal 1 month ago
@IsaHamzaBilal So what does John 1 verse 14 mean then?
seekingthegod 1 month ago
@IsaHamzaBilal therefore even if God knows an 'exact time' of Christ's return, this would mean that since Christ while on earth was limited in knowledge to the full revelation of Torah, but not be given information like 'exact time' of Christ's return. In other words, if Christ was to be a 'perfect man example, demonstrating faith & obedience to God', then for this to be valid, he would not be able to have information that was secret to God, as this would invalidate his example
seekingthegod 1 month ago
@seekingthegod No prophet nor person has full (total and complete) knowledge of God. We only know what God allows us to know. There is no purpose in us knowing everything anyway. How many times has your parents or boss at work told you to do something and when you asked why they told you that you dont need to know, just do it? They say these things because what they do know is beneficial for you. However human have flaws and God doesnt. So when God tell you something, you can take it to the bank
IsaHamzaBilal 1 month ago
@IsaHamzaBilal As I see it, the meaning of Christ 'taking on flesh' or in John 1 "the word became flesh", means that The Word or Christ took on the limitations of a human being so that he did not have superhuman physical abilities or superhuman mental abilities, or superhuman knowledge that only God has. Anything other than these limitations would invalidate his example of a man demonstrating complete submission, faith and obedience to God.
seekingthegod 1 month ago
@seekingthegod Basically John 1:1 means that God will send a messenger to the tirbe of the Jews. and that this messenger will know the Law of God better than the previous prophets. So the Word of God is simpy the Law of God. The best representitive for God's Law/word. This does not mean he is The son nor that he is divine. Jesus is only a man.
IsaHamzaBilal 1 month ago
@IsaHamzaBilal on this basis, it doesn't 'change Christ's title in any way, it simply explains the limitations he chose or was given while in an earthly body.
Of course, I'm open to other explanations but this is the one that has convinced me most so far.
seekingthegod 1 month ago
With this passage/verse (Mark 12:29) alone in the Bible, you can see how some may come to the conclusion that Ms. Penrose-Davis came to even though she's Christian. Jesus (peace be upon him) is not, and never claimed to be God.
amuslima99 1 month ago
Jesus (peace be upon him) I have never read called himself "God" or "Creator", but stated in Mark 12:29:" Hear O Israel; the Lord OUR God is one Lord." And he instructed the scribe to love that God, (not himself), with all his heart, soul, mind, etc. Why do others place him up HIGHER than he has himself?!
amuslima99 1 month ago
@amuslima99 Good question. What I don't get is how is it that Jesus could ascend to heaven "to be with his father", if he was just a man? How can a man ascend to a Holy Heaven to be with a Holy God? Wouldn't he be burnt up in the fire of God's Holiness? Also, I don't get how a man can "come down from Heaven" or be "from God" as Jesus said he was, if he was just a man?
seekingthegod 1 month ago
Well, that's possible because of the power of Allah (God). Just like Pro. Elijah (peace be upon him) in the Bible speaks that he was taken up in a whirlwind--provided by God. We are told in the Qur'an that Allah took Jesus (pbuh) up to Heaven. That he was saved from death on the cross.His prayers (said in Gethsemane) were answered. This is easy for Allah. A man, by his own power, would not be able to come down from Heaven anymore than he would be able to go up.
amuslima99 1 month ago
@amuslima99 It doesn't seem to make sense. Either he was Higher (from God/heaven) and went back again, or he was just a man and didn't - you can't have it both ways! Which was it? Also I don't get Psalm 2:7 where it says " the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee" if this was God saying to Jesus, "this day I have begotten thee" and that he was his "Son", then how could he speak to him when he was only just being born as a baby?
seekingthegod 1 month ago
@amuslima99 It sounds like Christ was there before he was born if God "THE LORD" was able to speak to him saying "this day I have begotten thee" ? And not only that why does God give Jesus who was just a man or prophet, the "ends of the Earth to be his possession" if he was just a man? I never heard of any man being given the uttermost parts of the earth to possess, have you?
seekingthegod 1 month ago
@amuslima99 Also in Isaiah 9:6-7 where it talks of the son born, he is given a kingdom for ever? Can you help me understand all this please? thanks your help will be appreciated.
seekingthegod 1 month ago
@seekingthegod Yes, but I'm not a scholar. Again, it's as puzzling to me as it is to you. All I know, and what makes sense to me is that Jesus (peace be upon him) while not being the Son of God is the Son of Mary. He was a prophet of God sent to the Israelite Tribes (Jesus (pbuh) being from the tribe of Judah) to reinterate the teachings of Moses (pbuh). He only came for the Israelite people. According to the Bible he ordered his disciples not to go to the Gentiles.
amuslima99 1 month ago
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