How God feels about abortion; to understand this one needs to realize who God destroyed and why. People then, worshiped gods that they sacrificed children to in the hopes of receiving some sort of brighter future. How this translates today? Well, when a women aborts a child its so she may have a better future in some form: ie, college, career, ect. So, when sacrifice their children now to a new god known as Convenience. See how that works. Don't believe this mess that this person is spreading.
Luke 1:15. For he will be great in the sight of the Lord; and he will drink no wine or liquor, and he will be filled with the Holy Spirit while yet in his mother's womb.
Jeremiah. 1:5. Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, and before you were born I consecrated you.
Before we are even formed in the womb, God knows us. He knows how each day of our lives on earth will unfold. His love and care go with us throughout life
Psalm 139:13-16. For You formed my inward parts; You wove me in my mother's womb. I will give thanks to You, for I am fearfully and wonderfully made; wonderful are Your works, and my soul knows it very well. My frame was not hidden from You, when I was made in secret, and skillfully wrought in the depths of the earth; Your eyes have seen my unformed substance; and in Your book were all written the days that were ordained for me, when as yet there was not one of them.
thank you for putting forth a call to action for Christians to understand their own material. You are absolutely correct in this. I seriously and genuinely pray that the questions you have raised in this video lead you on an intense and awesome journey with the creator of the universe.... be careful... because it was these very questions that lead me to find the truth and validity of the Bible! I pray that blessings, peace and prosperity from above suffocate your life abundantly!!
I have read your responses to many of the people who responded to you.. and also in your video.. you state that no one reads the Bible accurately. I am sorry to say, but your video is the epitome of this. You took every scripture out of context, (for example Luke 19:27).. To understand even ONE scripture, you might need to read the whole chapter, or book for that matter, to take it in context. At the same time, I am the only Christian who has been able to respond with adequacy so...
@SamanthaHOMIEg Yes, I've since come to realize the Luke 19:27 reference was in error, and I will hopefully have time to make a new video removing this critique.
the only thing that leads to hell is the nonacceptance of Jesus as a savior. As for sex education, no human is perfect and birth control, education of birth control is subjective but in any event as sex as a procreative act that should be taken seriously is the motive in a lot of abstinence-based sex ed programs. All in all--- I am so glad you are questioning the Bible.. I did too and read my own d*mn book. This has only made my faith more concrete.
You are absolutely right, though, all people, including Christians try to take the place of "playing God"-- therefore the need of a savior. Because no mere human can understand the nature of God, no one will get it right in this lifetime. Even the people who were staple in the Bible were just that.. mere humans.. and made mistakes-- but God still found a way to use them to get Jesus here. You are also right that the Bible does not condone the belief that abortion=eternal punishment in hell
Your comparison to humans and vegetables is inaccurate due to the fact that the God you are referring to places humans at a higher level of importance than any other living thing. Also, you said a fetus can't feel pain- if you research fetal development, a fetus can feel pain as early as 8 weeks-- most abortions take place between 12-22 weeks. The unborn fetus can feel. Other debates such as corporal punishment and euthanasia are political debates that are divided even among Christians
The rapture is merely an end to the status quo... humans both non-christians and christians will come to an end of their mortal selves. Within all of us is an immortal spirit-- those who accepted that important lineage of Jesus will continue on in the realm of God, those who didn't will continue on in the realm of Satan. As for abortion, scripture said that God knew us before our human bodies were even in the womb. He has a plan for all who are born b/c he knew us before the sperm and egg
In fact, just as an example, the story of Mary Magdalene is a great one! The townspeople brought her out in front of Jesus to be killed for adultery, JESUS IS NICE-- he saved her life that day and pointed the finger at those who intended to kill her. He told her to go and stop sleepin' with other peoples husbands, that was all. As for the rapture, that is a whole different research filled debate- I can say through all the studying I have done, the signs the Bible predicts have been met
into having sex with her in order to carry out the lineage that lead to Jesus-- although Tamar and Judah were not married, God honored the seed for the sake of the Savior. (So far, women not only gave consent, but they were the ones tricking men into sex). ***LUKE 19:27 : Jesus was not referring to himself in this passage but giving a parable of the "Ten Minas". This scripture was Jesus telling a story of a king who said this. Jesus did not slay or request anyone be killed in his presence
Judah, his sons and Tamar: Back to the importance of the lineage that lead to Christ's birth-- Judah's seed and Tamar were chosen to carry out this lineage. Er and Onan (within marriage) laid with Tamar but refused to get her pregnant so they were put to death. God was serious about sending a savior and would not put up with anything that got in the way-- Judah was fearful for his youngest son's life and moved him away from Tamar- Tamar, understanding the importance of her seed, tricked Judah
The angels could not find one who was good- therefore were ordered to destroy the cities of S&G. As for Lot, he offered his daughters to the men instead of the angels as to protect the angels. Women were so disregarded in S&G they were willing to sleep with anyone in order to be wanted and procreate. In fact, Lot's daughters were so desperate to have babies, they tricked and drugged their own dad in order to conceive.. thus not only did they give consent but tricked their own dad to have sex
Sodom & Gomorrah: God did not send angels to "scout" out a city but to investigate how truly evil it was. When the angels arrived, the men of S&G tried to rape the angels. Homosexuality was not THE reason it was destroyed-- it was destroyed because men only slept with other men, animals and male children as well as sacrificed children. Abraham pleaded with God in Gen 18 to spare the city- God promised Abraham if he could find ONE good person in S&G he would spare the cities for their sake.
@hallelujaallahuakbar Its not that Lot was righteous, but his intentions where in the right place, but still went about it all wrong. Notice how corrupt his decision making was when he offered up his daughters, and after the destruction of the cities how his daughters drugged him and had sex with him. There were no righteous men in those cities.
The flood: Angels had become tempted with women of the earth and had sex with them. Satan used this to create The Nephilim which were a satanic infiltration to ruin humanity. Noah's lineage was the only lineage left that had not been infiltrated, he wasn't just 'a favorite'. God did not send the flood because "he screwed up" but because Satan (who is himself a fallen angel) infiltrated the lineage that goes from Noah to David to Jesus-the flood thus saving mankind from satanic dominance
@SamanthaHOMIEg In what verses does Satan create the Nephilim and in what verse does God say the flood is because of the Nephilim? Please cite sources.
Out of curiosity - Why are you so angry at Christians? Your comments feel like attacks against a group of people whom have also done some great things in this world...
@dedege33 What good things have Christians done that would not have been done by non-Christians anyway? Is the threat of God the only reason one gives to charity? If so, we are not worthy of whatever gift he has to give...
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Excellent video, but an exercise in futility... re:@afancharger - it's like everything he says should be said to him... It must be very confusing to be him/her having to deal with every day truths...
Who created the life, who has the right to take the life? Only God. God is justice & love. God never screws up, men screw up. God is good to those who are faithful to Him.
afancharger : "Asking angelshoulders about war has nothing to do with abortion, It is apples verses oranges. "
Asking about war had EVERYTHING to do with addressing her absolute moral statements. Funny how 'Thou shall not kill' always seems to have undefined exceptions...
If you would not be so closed-minded and read the entire BIBLE - Old Testament and New Testament - instead of picking and choosing certain verses rather than reading the entire passage and stop relying on your own knowledge above God's knowledge, then you would see and know God is against abortion.
God is saddened by women who harm their own bodies by abortion, who kill their own babies, and who are depressed and suicidal after their abortion(s). Therefore, God is against abortion as he is against killing the weak, harming our own bodies (as He commands to take care of our own temple/body) and does not like to see as hurt in depression and suicidal ideations.
It is unconstitutional to deny right to life to unborn babies as EVERYONE (including unborn babies) have a right to live.
If the unborn baby is not a baby and given rights, then why do state courts charge a double homicide for killing pregnant women? Shows that killing an uborn baby is murder.
But people who know right from wrong can choose right or wrong. If they choose right, they live. If they choose wrong, then they are punished and/or die, by their choosing to do wrong. People have to accept the consequences of right and wrong choices.
So a person who chose wrong is not denied right to life as the person chose it upon himself/herself.
afancharger : Are you deluded enough to think all the people that die in war or on death row are guilty?
Also, those that wish to adopt can adopt one of the millions of children that already exist in pitiful conditions today. There is no shortage of babies because of abortion.
How doesn't death row protect? No one breaks out of death row as they do prison. So prison does not keep you safe.
Obviously, you have not read updated adoption sources. There are more couples per babies being adopted.
Why do couples have to wait years before being allowed to adopt?
Also, Christianity does not inbreed now - that is a sin now - it was stated as a sin after so many years, so the inbreeding of evolution is just as dangerous as the Bible.
afancharger : Yeah, nobody breaks out of death row, even the innocent people! What an excellent God-given system that is.
There may be more couples than babies being adopted in the America, but there does happen to be people beyond our borders, believe it or not. Yes they are evil nonbelievers but they do seem to have human qualities.
People wait to adopt because the state doesn't just throw kids at people.
This video misuses and misquotes scripture. If one read the entire scripture, then one can not deny that God was against abortion as He punished mankind for mankind's evilness.
So go back and read the entire scripture and one will discover this video misuses and misquotes scripture.
This is one of the poorest, most hypocritical videos on youtube!
The question is what don't you understand that God is against something (sin and abortions that end life that He created in the womb and sin in humans trusting their imperfect selves making themselves gods over God) that when He punishes mankind in the Bible for sin.?
Shows that you are gravely misinformed and misusing and misquouting scripture as you have not read the entire Bible.
So you are the confused one misusing and misquoting scripture.
@afancharger : If God is against something then it is within his power to do something about it. If God thought it was truly abhorrent he would not create such situations.
@afancharger : So God gave us free will to create evil?
Who did God punish? Did he punish us in the fall, with mortality? Really? Or the flood? Is that what you're really talking about? Have you read Genesis?
afancharger : Ok, so if I don't believe we're all the inbred sons of Noah, who happened to put all the animals on a boat, then I'm incapable of critical thinking?
Even evolutionists have to believe we are inbred as how did we come from just one person. Many people and animals did not just appear because of the big bamg and poof they/we are here. Looks like you believe the exact same fairytale, in a sense.
So even without religion, one has to believe we are a resul of being inbred.
@afancharger : Evolution does not require inbreeding, at least as far as modern speciation is concerned. I'm sure it has happened from time to time, but not like the Bible says - if the entirety of humanity had been reduced to a handful of people twice or more within the last 10000 years, it would have had disastrous results on us today.
Nothing in the "Open Theist" worldview makes sense. "Open Theist" fails to define God adequately enough for the concept to make any sense. May as well take a banana to be your deity.
Well, to be perfectly honest I don't think God gave out brains. He took a nap on the seventh day, remember. There was no brain day, just a party-hard seventh day.
see this is why im buddhist!!! lol too many contradictions and hypocracies in the bible and the christians who preach it...how does anyone know what 'GOD' feels, anyway? when u get a chance look up SGI.USA... see what u think..
I think you need to go to church some more.. because apparently you cant read the bible right yourself... what if your parents decided to abort you!!! I'll keep you in my orayers because apparently you have some major issues and need God!!!!!!
How about a nice cup of go fuck yourself? Instead of wasting time requesting songs from a one hit wonder I've replaced the tune with classical music. I hope this pleases you. No more free advertising for artists with catty douchebag fans.
Savage Bible Facts, 2 Kings, chapter 8: "You will set fire to their fortified places, kill their young men with the sword, dash their little children to the ground, and rip open their pregnant women."
God is God and we are not supposed to play "God" you see. Good govt will consider "good for 1 is good for all". In other words if everybody can do what 1 person is allowed to do and those actions lead to the total demise of a species then it must be made against the law for the many. Abortion is 1. Same sex marriage is 1. Murder is 1. Suicide is 1. There are others and they are all will lead to the same dead end for humanity if everybody did it. This makes them all the same..a crime.
Earth is "School of Hard Knocks" for us. Man plays God and man plays devil. Satan used to be in Heaven but got selfish. God fired satan and his minions to hell. To keep history from repeating itself, any entity God creates must go thru "School of Hard Knocks" to prove their worth. God can't make us be good. We gotta do it on our own with help of His bible.
I guess we should play God then and not play the devil. Thx for the insite.
wtc.....y would neone ever say tht...its people like u who screwed up our world.. so dont go sayin its us chrisitans wen u did exactly the same.....now y dont u go read ur own damn book....
You still have not demonstrated to me what precisely in the child changes at birth, such that the baby is a person the moment we can see it, but a "blob of cells" the moment before. Birth is not the beginning of human life.
1Tim315 : Let's put it this way. It's killing a human being... but it doesn't matter. Do you think the death of a 95 year old with dementia is as tragic as the death of a recent grad?
I'm just not willing to say every death has moral equivalence - a pregnant teen is not Ted Bundy if she chooses to have an abortion. She just isn't. Deal with it.
On what basis does it "not matter"? Do you think women have the right to kill their newborn baby because it interferes with their "lifestyle"?
You apparently do not believe in any inherent value in the human person. Your position seems to be that a person's rights depend upon how they are viewed by others. Such a position can lead to a justification of i, not just abortion, but nfanticide, involuntary euthanasia, eugenics killing, and genocide.
That all being said, you still have not shown me what it is about the child that changes at birth? Does the "blob of cells" magically become a baby as it comes out of the mother? Birth does not mark the beginning of human life. Pro-lifers have moved beyond such a primitive understanding of life, and have accepted the scientific facts of our day.
How about you accept the scientific fact that it isn't your body and the woman has a myriad of poorer options? Why must the state force every woman to carry every deadbeat's sperm to term?
No, it isn't my body, but the body being killed isn't the woman's either. A woman doesn't have the right to kill her innocent child (which is not a sperm - you are expressing a poor understanding of human reproduction) for the sake of herself. The state must protect the right to life of the pre-born person.
"A woman doesn't have the right to kill her innocent child (which is not a sperm - you are expressing a poor understanding of human reproduction) for the sake of herself."
Yes, within limits, against an unjust aggressor and when there are no other alternatives.
This is not the same as killing an innocent person. The child is not an unjust aggressor who has chosen to assault the woman. It is her child, brought into existence through the functioning of her own body.
So, you believe that the state can go to war, kill innocent people in the process, to defend the lifestyle of its citizens
However you don't believe that a woman can kill a fetus she did not intend to create in order to defend her own lifestyle and any future children she may want with a JUST partner.
So you're just like God, you rationalize killing when whenever it is to your selfish advantage.
"you don't believe that a woman can kill a fetus she did not intend to create"
One's personhood and human rights do not depend upon whether he or she was intended or is wanted. If I am struggling to maintain my own preferred lifestyle, but find I cannot because of the care I must give to my child, unintended or not, I am not justified in killing my child.
Furthermore, I just noticed, you have also inserted the scenerio of innocent people into the war situation. I did not say I believed any and all kinds of warfare is justified. Killing innocent civilians or using disproportionately destructive means is wrong, even if the war itself is justified.
"So you're just like God, you rationalize killing when whenever it is to your selfish advantage. "
My views are in no way to my advantage. I am already born, and as such am in no danger of being aborted. In fact, it would be to my, and other men's, advantage to justify abortion, allowing us to engage in sexual irresponsibility and have a way out.
It is your ideas which are selfish. You believe we have the right to kill our children so as to maintain our own lifestyle.
Sure they are. If abortion was illegal, you'd get a warm fuzzy feeling inside that you've just earned some God-points and you think other people's babies are sooooooooooooo cute.
through the functioning of her own body? that doesnt make it good or compulsory. our bodies function in many ways but we disrupt natural processes all the time for our good. feti are not innocent. they cause damage to a womans body. pregnancy is a physically and psychologically taxing experience that women have a right to refuse at any time
it is the womans body that is supporting that being. it is not your body to dictate that she be an incubator to appease your conscience. a woman is not some breeding pig. if i am not free in my own skin i cant be free anywhere. the prolife position deny's women the control to dictate what happens to their bodies in the most gruesom manner possible. pregnancy is never benign and without harm. the prolife position abuses women through govt mandated childbirth.
Your 100% right. The pro life way: Woman get preg, is now required to go through 9mons of preg then risk her life in labor. Her physical or mental health doesn't matter. Her age doesn't matter. Her ability to raise the child, doesn't matter. She must be forced to give birth and if she can't raise it, just toss it in the system. It doesn't matter if he or she is unloved, abused, neglected. If it because a problem teen or adult. Send it to prison and have it executed. At least it was born.
@idunno So because I don't believe in creating more kids to grow up abused, unloved & horribly mistreated, that makes me hateful? Yeah its real easy to say abortion is bad & spend a saturday protesting a clinic. H/e being a parent to even one of those kids is a life time commitment. Why not fix the problems we have, rather than make more children to suffer a horrible life? Get a life and learn up on the facts before you respond to my 9month old comment. LOL
@Boudiga we need to fix the parents not kill the children. how can you not see the contempt in your own words? because the comment was old it is somehow less evil? there is never a reason to kill a child. i had a very messed up child hood with abuse and all kinds of things i care not to mention, i still do not believe i should have been killed before birth because of my parents mistakes. i need to grow up but it is ok to kill rather then take responsibility? who is immature?
@idunno123ism First of all we have way to many kids in the first place. We are suffering from over population. Second how is what I said evil? I pointed out exactly the mentality of people like you. You don't care what happens to the fetus when its born, you just want it born and its quality life is not factored! Honesty what did I say that wasn't the truth? Pro-lifers don't care about the fetus after its born! You don't have to agree with, I sure as hell would never agree with you. LOL
@Boudiga in what way have i expressed that i dont care what happens after it is born by saying it is wrong to murder children? we are over populated? really? do you have any idea what you are talking about? it would take over 1 trillion humans living on the earth for over population to be a point of destructive force for nature. to many babies? so we should just kill all the ones being conceived? or maybe people should be taught in school about abstinence until they are ready for responsibility?
@idunno ROFLMAO!! 1st of all we are over populated! It doesn't require 1 trillion people, we are already at the point, where people are starving, like in India & china. Just b/c ur spoiled in a 1st world country, of course u'll be the last to see it. The 3rd world countries are the first to be effected. BTW states that teach abstinence only in sex ed have more rates of unwanted pregnancy & spread of STDs, so obviously that doesn't work! I will always put the already born be4the unborn any day!
@Boudiga that is an opinion. this world is in no way overpopulated. if it is, then lets kill the parent and let the child live because the parent has had a chance and obviously messed up royally. second those people are starving because of greed and hatred not because of lack of supplies. it is the lack of concern for them not the lack of things to give them. the united states uses more resources then any other country including china. greed, not lack of supply.
@idunno123ism Also as a pro-life, I'm sure you devoting boycott walmart and other stores that are involved in sweat shops. You know where men, women and children work in dangerous factories, often having their fingers crushed, guards shooting people in the knees, 10 yr olds working over 19 hr work days, etc... Or is the unborn the only life you care about?
@Boudiga what does that have to do with abortion? so because other people are committing evil atrocities it is ok to kill the children rather then let this happen? how do you know one of these unborn children wouldnt be gifted with knowledge and understanding and grow to fix the worlds problems because of the bad that happens to them in life in those instances? how full of hatred is your heart?
@idunno123ism You are also assuming the fetus as equal to a already bone life, when I don't. I'm not full of hate, I just go basic facts. 1 the woman carrying it is already born and is a legal person. 2. in medicine if a pregnant woman or the fetus is at risk and its one or the other, the woman life saved over the fetus UNLESS there is documentation from her to do differently. 3 the heart is an organ that pumps blood and doesn't effect emotions or opinion, basic bio, the brain does that.
@Boudiga there is only 1 percent of abortions done in america because of risk to child or mother, that does not justify the murder of the other children, how cold to say that a heart is merely a pump. how do you not see your own hatred. can you still be aborted? cause yuo are only flesh, why is murder wrong?
@idunno That wasn't what I was saying. I said that the mother life is valued more than the fetus. Unless she has documentation, she can yell all she wants to keep her baby, they will choose her life over the fetus, putting her as more important as per our laws! When a baby is born it is no longer inside someone, and its own person! When its inside someone, it is effecting some1 else health and body! When its born, then its own person and it can be raised by its birth family or adopted.
@idunno H/e when its inside some1,I give that person the right do what they want with their body! Finely, r u aware of basic bio? B/c the heart does NOT effect ur emotions! Thats the brain! Just b/c I don't believe as u do, doesn't mean I"m full of hate. Maybe ur hate women? Why do u hate women that u want them to be force to give birth against their will? r u aware of the health risk in preg? Why do u hate women so much that u would force them to have a baby against their will?
@Boudiga force them to have a baby against there will? why do you hate children so much that you think they should pay the consequence of their mother and fathers actions? show me one state where it is legal to teach abstinence in schools without teaching condemns and birth control before you say that in states where abstinence is taught there is a higher rate of unwanted preg. i am the one that needs to do my homework? i will pray for you but i have nothing else to say to you.
@idunnoLOL I why do u hate children so much that u would force them to be born w/out loving homes or medical care? Why do you hate them so much that you would allow one to be born all fucked because women who are forced to give birth against their will they will be more likely to abuse drugs & alcohol? As for the abstinence only crap, many Xian schools as well as very conservative areas will NOT each bc! Mississippi just past a law forcing them to add BC because abstinence only wasn't working!
@Boudiga have you read anything you have written? how am i supposed to think this sounds? hateful, while calling me it for not wanting children murdered. i love you as a person and hope your heart is at great peace.
@idunno Its not hateful, u r taking it that way b/c it disagrees what u believe. A fetus nor any unborn is not a legal person until its born. I said be4 & I stand by it. We disagree on what the fetus is. We disagree oh what we should hold value to in life. For ex. u & I don't value the life of cancer. H/e u value a fetus as equal or more to u & I. I don't. B/c u can't force me to see a fetus as a newborn drives u nuts. U can't control another person opinion. You xian should really learn that.
@Boudiga no i am saying it doesnt matter what you believe. the action of abortion is stopping a child from having a chance at life. that is simple truth not a matter of belief or understanding. i am saying you are wrong not that i think you think like me, you certainly do not think as i.
@idunno By that logic so does a condom. It stops a child from having a chance of life. LOLThe fetus is not legally a child. Its called a child out affection for the mom who wants to keep the preg, but legally its still part of her body &she is free to do with it as she wishes. She is legally allowed to eat foods that can hurt the fetus, do drugs, drink, etc U feel its a life & deserves equal protection, than u have the right feel that way, h/e u can't force the rest of us to live as u choose.
@Boudiga :)you are wrong. if a baby is tested to have drugs in its system when it is born it is taken from the parents, again you speak from ignorance as though you know what you are talking about and claim that is the case for my side in the same breath. how sad. good bye.
@idunno did you read what I wrote? Yes if the baby is tested for drugs when its born they'll take it away from the mother. However women are able to do drugs while they are pregnant, even legal ones that can harm the fetus. Showing the womans wishes are still over the f etus needs. Really think for a change.
@Boudiga so they are supposed to take the baby away while she is pregnant? of course they have to wait till it is born, i do not wish to make fun, but are you frigging serious? the act against the child was performed while she was pregnant in the case of drugs, therefore it is bad things done against a prenatal human, not the born child that causes the offense. i am the one not thinking? were you born with a melded chromosome?
@idunno wow you can't make a point, so your trying to act smart. LOL you make me laugh. Now as for my last comment, my point shows that the woman has the right to do what she wants with her body over the needs of fetus. Hence she has the right to also terminate the pregnancy because its her body! Which was the point, however it went over your head. Here is a mistake you are making, you assume I see the fetus as equal to the already born. "prenatal human" thats a joke.
@idunno I would also be more sympathetic to the pro-life cause if 1. They didn't lie about adoption! We have a 1/2 mill in the system. 2 They promoted birth control! 3. they tried to fix the reason people have abortions. 4. They promoted charities to help house, educate and feed children for low in-come and I"m not talking about a simple food drive. But actual reform to fix the problem itself. But most don't bother, its sooo much easier to go protest on a Saturday than to raise just one kid!
@Boudiga because of a lot of people that think exactly as you do there is greater need to preserve the childrens life right now then to simply feed them. it is more important they be protected then fed as it stands pro lifers are too busy stopping people like you to help with such things, then you have the gull to blame your lack of care for human life on them? you are a very sad person.
@idunno123ism LOL you sure are making this supposed sad person, laugh their ass off. LOL I don't see a fetus as a child. I've seen aborted fetuses, they look like fish and since I"m not of your superstitions (ie religion) I don't believe every ejaculation deserves a name!.
@Boudiga you are only making it sound sadder by stating it as such in mocking. i pray you lead a blessed life with riches and happiness beyond your greatest imagination. may peace and satisfaction follow you everywhere you go.
@idunno and I will chant to Odin and draw blood from my arm that you will find your way out of your shell and do something actually positive with your life. And I"m not mocking you, I'm just giving you facts.
@Boudiga you know nothing of what i have done with my life. you assume everything and know nothing. that is why you must make these allegations to assert superiority. because your heart knows your mind is wrong. peace be with you child of God.
@idunn U know nothing about me & make all kinds of silly claims. Like calling me a child of god, who said I believe in ur god? My brain tells me that we have too many children & not enough ppl doin anything to help so abortion as well as bc is needed. My heart tells me nothing my brain tells it to pump blood. U don't seem to grasp simple bio. LOL well I guess I spanked ur brain enough. I don't poke a lion unless u wanna get scratched. LOL bye Go hide underur bed telling urself how right u r. LOL
@Boudiga it does not matter if you believe in God. He is still the reason you exist, i am sorry i worded it wrong. "well I guess I spanked ur brain enough. I don't poke a lion unless u wanna get scratched." hahah how do you not see your own flagarant ignorance? you have said nothing of substantial intellectual value that would dictate your superiority in this debate except that you say you have. do you know what it means to have delusions of grandeur?
@idunn Wow god has a penis? Sorry but really keep religion out of this, faith is an individual thing and doesn't belong in theses debates. You haven't given me any basic grounds for debate. Its your opinion that a fetus is equal to an already born person, its defentily not reflexed in the law.
@idunno123ism LOL only in your mind. But thank you for showing yet again, pro-lifers don't care about children, just the unborn. Its pretty sad really.
@idunno123ism You have no argument so you try to hide behind silly metaphors. My Heart is body temperature like the rest of us. Either give a valued argument or give up.
@idunno123ism Well I pointed out that pro-lifers don't care about the already born. And you are showing me pretty well that its true. You don't care if the mother is poor, a victim of rape or is sick. She are pro-force birth. You also don't care about the baby when its born. It doesn't matter if the child will grow up or unloved as long as its born, you don't give a damn. Just make more children! Add the problem!
@idunno123ism Well I pointed out that pro-lifers don't care about the already born. And you are showing me pretty well that its true. You don't care if the mother is poor, a victim of rape or is sick. You are pro-force birth. You also don't care about the baby when its born. It doesn't matter if the child will grow up or unloved as long as its born, you don't give a damn. Just make more children! Add the problem!
@idunno I will proudly say I"m morally superior than u. I support taking care of the already born & fixing the reason people have abortions. U don't care about the already born & only want to add the problems making more unwanted kids. u should be ashamed but sadly I don't think ur smart enough to realize how fucked up ur mentality is. If u r so pro-life why not worry about the kids who need to be saved from starving, drugs, abuse? Oh way that actually means getting off ur ass & doing something!
@Boudiga so because i dont want the unborn murdered i dont care about the already born? you dont see how sad this sounds and is? peace be with you in all your life's endeavors.
So, if a child is "not wanted" (i.e., not wanted by the parents for whatever reason, even he or she could be wanted by a couple who would loving adopt them), it's better to kill the child than give him an opportunity at life?
Also, pro-lifers are not opposed to abortion because it kills a "potential child." We are opposed to it because it kills an actual child, a human being.
Oh, so a fetus and an 8 year old are the same thing?
I've never heard of a miscarriage of an 8 year old.
If an 8 year old is unwanted by their parents, then guess what, the government steps in. If a fetus is unwanted, then abortion is an option. If a fertilized egg is unwanted, then you wear a rubber.
So, I guess your answer to my question is yes, it's okay to kill as an unwanted child - as long as you can't see him. Sorry, birth doesn't mean anything. Nothing about the baby changes from the moment before birth to the moment after.
Whether we have funerals for miscarriages or not is irrelevent to whether the child does in fact change at the moment of birth (which it doesn't). The fact that people don't behave in accordance with the truth doesn't negate the truth. It would be like arguing for racism by saying "Well, if other races aren't unequal, why do they get unequal treatment?" It's not a logical argument.
That being said, some people do mourn the death of their unborn babies after a miscarriage, and count those babies as a lost child. Many people name their children before birth.
"Why don't you rape peoploe in order to prevent the death of children?"
What on earth...? I am assuming you are in someway trying to sex cells (sperm and egg) with a newly conceived organism (after the sperm and egg have ceased to exist, having joined to form a new being).
No, they aren't. They are genetically incomplete cells from each of the parents, the purpose of which is to join and become a new organism. Once they have joined (fertilization), the new "fertilized egg" is not, properly speaking, a fertilized egg, since it is now a new, genetically complete organism. The sperm and egg are not comparable to a new embryo.
The action a woman commits when she has an abortion is murder. However, I understand that many, if not most, women have an abortion under great emotioal duress, and often without an absolute realization of what they are doing. That does not excuse the action, but it certainly throws the character of the woman in a different light. For reasons such as these, I simply am unsure of what the legal consequences for a woman who has an abortion should be...
(although, I would not argue that we are to round up women who have had abortions since it was made legal and send them to prison - I don't know of any pro-life person who does).
I DO believe, however, that those who perform the abortions should be punished as child murderers. If abortion is child murder, than what other just consequence is there?
I do not know what the precise legal consequences of an abortion should be. If you're worried about cops running around locking up women, look to the pre-roe v. wade America, when abortion was legal. It was't happening. Regardless though, the question of the legal consequences of having or procuring an abortion is a seperate question from abortion itself. Don't distract from the latter with the former.
You started by saying that abortion is the same as killing an actual child. Now you're saying it should be penalized differently. Have you thought your position through?
Actually, I never did say it should be penalized differently. I said I am unsure. Pro-lifers, believe it or not, actually care about women (as well as their children), and we don't jump at the idea of putting women in prison. We see that women are also victims of abortion (as well as the children), often being pushed towards an abortion as their only possibility, and suffering for it afterwards...
I have thought about it, and I am reluctant to assert that women who have abortions should be sent to prison. As I said, abortion is murder, and certainly those who perform the abortions should be punished...
As I said before, however, the legal consequences of an illegal abortion are a seperate matter from the nature of abortion itself and whether abortion should be protected under the law. If you think mine or any other person's position on the former is inconsistent and wrongly compassionate, you may very well have a valid argument. But, it has no bearing upon whether abortion is in fact murder.
How God feels about abortion; to understand this one needs to realize who God destroyed and why. People then, worshiped gods that they sacrificed children to in the hopes of receiving some sort of brighter future. How this translates today? Well, when a women aborts a child its so she may have a better future in some form: ie, college, career, ect. So, when sacrifice their children now to a new god known as Convenience. See how that works. Don't believe this mess that this person is spreading.
lightsoutnow30 5 months ago
Luke 1:15. For he will be great in the sight of the Lord; and he will drink no wine or liquor, and he will be filled with the Holy Spirit while yet in his mother's womb.
Jeremiah. 1:5. Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, and before you were born I consecrated you.
Before we are even formed in the womb, God knows us. He knows how each day of our lives on earth will unfold. His love and care go with us throughout life
badgirl61032 1 year ago
Psalm 139:13-16. For You formed my inward parts; You wove me in my mother's womb. I will give thanks to You, for I am fearfully and wonderfully made; wonderful are Your works, and my soul knows it very well. My frame was not hidden from You, when I was made in secret, and skillfully wrought in the depths of the earth; Your eyes have seen my unformed substance; and in Your book were all written the days that were ordained for me, when as yet there was not one of them.
badgirl61032 1 year ago
Please start reading my comments from the first one I posted until the recent-- otherwise you will be reading it backwards. Thanks!
SamanthaHOMIEg 1 year ago
thank you for putting forth a call to action for Christians to understand their own material. You are absolutely correct in this. I seriously and genuinely pray that the questions you have raised in this video lead you on an intense and awesome journey with the creator of the universe.... be careful... because it was these very questions that lead me to find the truth and validity of the Bible! I pray that blessings, peace and prosperity from above suffocate your life abundantly!!
SamanthaHOMIEg 1 year ago
I have read your responses to many of the people who responded to you.. and also in your video.. you state that no one reads the Bible accurately. I am sorry to say, but your video is the epitome of this. You took every scripture out of context, (for example Luke 19:27).. To understand even ONE scripture, you might need to read the whole chapter, or book for that matter, to take it in context. At the same time, I am the only Christian who has been able to respond with adequacy so...
SamanthaHOMIEg 1 year ago
@SamanthaHOMIEg Yes, I've since come to realize the Luke 19:27 reference was in error, and I will hopefully have time to make a new video removing this critique.
hallelujaallahuakbar 1 year ago
the only thing that leads to hell is the nonacceptance of Jesus as a savior. As for sex education, no human is perfect and birth control, education of birth control is subjective but in any event as sex as a procreative act that should be taken seriously is the motive in a lot of abstinence-based sex ed programs. All in all--- I am so glad you are questioning the Bible.. I did too and read my own d*mn book. This has only made my faith more concrete.
SamanthaHOMIEg 1 year ago
You are absolutely right, though, all people, including Christians try to take the place of "playing God"-- therefore the need of a savior. Because no mere human can understand the nature of God, no one will get it right in this lifetime. Even the people who were staple in the Bible were just that.. mere humans.. and made mistakes-- but God still found a way to use them to get Jesus here. You are also right that the Bible does not condone the belief that abortion=eternal punishment in hell
SamanthaHOMIEg 1 year ago
Your comparison to humans and vegetables is inaccurate due to the fact that the God you are referring to places humans at a higher level of importance than any other living thing. Also, you said a fetus can't feel pain- if you research fetal development, a fetus can feel pain as early as 8 weeks-- most abortions take place between 12-22 weeks. The unborn fetus can feel. Other debates such as corporal punishment and euthanasia are political debates that are divided even among Christians
SamanthaHOMIEg 1 year ago
The rapture is merely an end to the status quo... humans both non-christians and christians will come to an end of their mortal selves. Within all of us is an immortal spirit-- those who accepted that important lineage of Jesus will continue on in the realm of God, those who didn't will continue on in the realm of Satan. As for abortion, scripture said that God knew us before our human bodies were even in the womb. He has a plan for all who are born b/c he knew us before the sperm and egg
SamanthaHOMIEg 1 year ago
In fact, just as an example, the story of Mary Magdalene is a great one! The townspeople brought her out in front of Jesus to be killed for adultery, JESUS IS NICE-- he saved her life that day and pointed the finger at those who intended to kill her. He told her to go and stop sleepin' with other peoples husbands, that was all. As for the rapture, that is a whole different research filled debate- I can say through all the studying I have done, the signs the Bible predicts have been met
SamanthaHOMIEg 1 year ago
into having sex with her in order to carry out the lineage that lead to Jesus-- although Tamar and Judah were not married, God honored the seed for the sake of the Savior. (So far, women not only gave consent, but they were the ones tricking men into sex). ***LUKE 19:27 : Jesus was not referring to himself in this passage but giving a parable of the "Ten Minas". This scripture was Jesus telling a story of a king who said this. Jesus did not slay or request anyone be killed in his presence
SamanthaHOMIEg 1 year ago
Judah, his sons and Tamar: Back to the importance of the lineage that lead to Christ's birth-- Judah's seed and Tamar were chosen to carry out this lineage. Er and Onan (within marriage) laid with Tamar but refused to get her pregnant so they were put to death. God was serious about sending a savior and would not put up with anything that got in the way-- Judah was fearful for his youngest son's life and moved him away from Tamar- Tamar, understanding the importance of her seed, tricked Judah
SamanthaHOMIEg 1 year ago
The angels could not find one who was good- therefore were ordered to destroy the cities of S&G. As for Lot, he offered his daughters to the men instead of the angels as to protect the angels. Women were so disregarded in S&G they were willing to sleep with anyone in order to be wanted and procreate. In fact, Lot's daughters were so desperate to have babies, they tricked and drugged their own dad in order to conceive.. thus not only did they give consent but tricked their own dad to have sex
SamanthaHOMIEg 1 year ago
@SamanthaHOMIEg In Genesis 19 the reason Lot's daughters was to 'preserve his seed' not to satisfy some baby fetish...
hallelujaallahuakbar 1 year ago
Sodom & Gomorrah: God did not send angels to "scout" out a city but to investigate how truly evil it was. When the angels arrived, the men of S&G tried to rape the angels. Homosexuality was not THE reason it was destroyed-- it was destroyed because men only slept with other men, animals and male children as well as sacrificed children. Abraham pleaded with God in Gen 18 to spare the city- God promised Abraham if he could find ONE good person in S&G he would spare the cities for their sake.
SamanthaHOMIEg 1 year ago
@SamanthaHOMIEg They found Lot in S&G. Why didn't they spare the city for his sake?
hallelujaallahuakbar 1 year ago
@hallelujaallahuakbar Its not that Lot was righteous, but his intentions where in the right place, but still went about it all wrong. Notice how corrupt his decision making was when he offered up his daughters, and after the destruction of the cities how his daughters drugged him and had sex with him. There were no righteous men in those cities.
lightsoutnow30 5 months ago
The flood: Angels had become tempted with women of the earth and had sex with them. Satan used this to create The Nephilim which were a satanic infiltration to ruin humanity. Noah's lineage was the only lineage left that had not been infiltrated, he wasn't just 'a favorite'. God did not send the flood because "he screwed up" but because Satan (who is himself a fallen angel) infiltrated the lineage that goes from Noah to David to Jesus-the flood thus saving mankind from satanic dominance
SamanthaHOMIEg 1 year ago
@SamanthaHOMIEg In what verses does Satan create the Nephilim and in what verse does God say the flood is because of the Nephilim? Please cite sources.
hallelujaallahuakbar 1 year ago
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SamanthaHOMIEg 1 year ago
Out of curiosity - Why are you so angry at Christians? Your comments feel like attacks against a group of people whom have also done some great things in this world...
Hope all is well...
dedege33 1 year ago
@dedege33 What good things have Christians done that would not have been done by non-Christians anyway? Is the threat of God the only reason one gives to charity? If so, we are not worthy of whatever gift he has to give...
hallelujaallahuakbar 1 year ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
Excellent video, but an exercise in futility... re:@afancharger - it's like everything he says should be said to him... It must be very confusing to be him/her having to deal with every day truths...
TooTrue2 2 years ago
Who created the life, who has the right to take the life? Only God. God is justice & love. God never screws up, men screw up. God is good to those who are faithful to Him.
angelshoulders 2 years ago
@angelshoulders "Who created the life, who has the right to take the life? Only God."
Oh really? So you would never support a war? You're a complete pacifist?
hallelujaallahuakbar 2 years ago
Asking angelshoulders about war has nothing to do with abortion, It is apples verses oranges.
In abortion, a baby is not an enemy and is still innocent.
In war, one protects one and others from people who had willingly chose to do evil and kill others.
So you have invalid arguments.
Go study, then come back to comment, you misguided, ignorant, and unintelligent peron. Just if you would not waste use of your brain!
You are a waste of time.
Good riddence!
afancharger 2 years ago
afancharger : "Asking angelshoulders about war has nothing to do with abortion, It is apples verses oranges. "
Asking about war had EVERYTHING to do with addressing her absolute moral statements. Funny how 'Thou shall not kill' always seems to have undefined exceptions...
hallelujaallahuakbar 2 years ago
You just shown your blatant closed-mindedness, unability to think, denial of facts, and your ignorancy!
Good riddence!
afancharger 2 years ago
@afancharger : Shown to whom? You haven't explained your point of view, merely dismissed mine.
hallelujaallahuakbar 2 years ago
God has called us to look after the weak and oppressed, which include babies in the womb being aborted.
Looking after the weaking also includes protecting them from terrorists.
So you do not even bring any valid point to your argument view.
Do you pro-choice people ever think critically?
afancharger 2 years ago
If you would not be so closed-minded and read the entire BIBLE - Old Testament and New Testament - instead of picking and choosing certain verses rather than reading the entire passage and stop relying on your own knowledge above God's knowledge, then you would see and know God is against abortion.
afancharger 2 years ago
God is saddened by women who harm their own bodies by abortion, who kill their own babies, and who are depressed and suicidal after their abortion(s). Therefore, God is against abortion as he is against killing the weak, harming our own bodies (as He commands to take care of our own temple/body) and does not like to see as hurt in depression and suicidal ideations.
afancharger 2 years ago
There are 36 couples for every child waiting to be adopted.
Adoption is God's heart. After all he adopts those of us who choose to believe in Him and have a relationship with Him.
Children are God's heart as He said, "For the least of these...."
So God is definitely against abortion!
afancharger 2 years ago
It is unconstitutional to deny right to life to unborn babies as EVERYONE (including unborn babies) have a right to live.
If the unborn baby is not a baby and given rights, then why do state courts charge a double homicide for killing pregnant women? Shows that killing an uborn baby is murder.
afancharger 2 years ago
But people who know right from wrong can choose right or wrong. If they choose right, they live. If they choose wrong, then they are punished and/or die, by their choosing to do wrong. People have to accept the consequences of right and wrong choices.
So a person who chose wrong is not denied right to life as the person chose it upon himself/herself.
afancharger 2 years ago
afancharger : Are you deluded enough to think all the people that die in war or on death row are guilty?
Also, those that wish to adopt can adopt one of the millions of children that already exist in pitiful conditions today. There is no shortage of babies because of abortion.
hallelujaallahuakbar 2 years ago
Not ALL people are guilty.
BUT it does war against enemies and death row does protect us from harmful/dangerous people..
Are you deluded that war and the death penalty protect us from dangerous people? The purpose of military is protection of country, others, and self.
You ignored the fact that 36 couples are waiting to adopt per baby. That means, yes there is a shortage.
So you just showed that you can not comprehend what you read.
afancharger 2 years ago
Start using your brain.
You are so closed-minded and a waste of time.
afancharger 2 years ago
@afancharger : Death row doesn't protect you any better than life in prison does.
36 is a number you pulled out of your ass, and you did not address the number of kids overseas like I mentioned.
How about you start using your brain instead of reading ancient fantasy?
hallelujaallahuakbar 2 years ago
How doesn't death row protect? No one breaks out of death row as they do prison. So prison does not keep you safe.
Obviously, you have not read updated adoption sources. There are more couples per babies being adopted.
Why do couples have to wait years before being allowed to adopt?
Also, Christianity does not inbreed now - that is a sin now - it was stated as a sin after so many years, so the inbreeding of evolution is just as dangerous as the Bible.
afancharger 2 years ago
afancharger : Yeah, nobody breaks out of death row, even the innocent people! What an excellent God-given system that is.
There may be more couples than babies being adopted in the America, but there does happen to be people beyond our borders, believe it or not. Yes they are evil nonbelievers but they do seem to have human qualities.
People wait to adopt because the state doesn't just throw kids at people.
hallelujaallahuakbar 2 years ago
Looks like you believe an ancient fantasy, too.
afancharger 2 years ago
Nice.
sarakai 2 years ago
This video misuses and misquotes scripture. If one read the entire scripture, then one can not deny that God was against abortion as He punished mankind for mankind's evilness.
So go back and read the entire scripture and one will discover this video misuses and misquotes scripture.
This is one of the poorest, most hypocritical videos on youtube!
afancharger 2 years ago
@afancharger : What? I think the scripture is very clear, and presented as such. Where are you confused on this subject?
hallelujaallahuakbar 2 years ago
The question is what don't you understand that God is against something (sin and abortions that end life that He created in the womb and sin in humans trusting their imperfect selves making themselves gods over God) that when He punishes mankind in the Bible for sin.?
Shows that you are gravely misinformed and misusing and misquouting scripture as you have not read the entire Bible.
So you are the confused one misusing and misquoting scripture.
Good day!
afancharger 2 years ago
@afancharger : If God is against something then it is within his power to do something about it. If God thought it was truly abhorrent he would not create such situations.
hallelujaallahuakbar 2 years ago
What don't you understand that MANKIND (NOT God) created the evil situations by their freedom?!
What don't you understand that God DID something about it by punishing them?!
You show your blatant ingnorance in your being WRONG and INCORRECT by misusing and misquoting scripture.
afancharger 2 years ago
@afancharger : So God gave us free will to create evil?
Who did God punish? Did he punish us in the fall, with mortality? Really? Or the flood? Is that what you're really talking about? Have you read Genesis?
hallelujaallahuakbar 2 years ago
Have you read the entire OLD TESTAMENT?
Have you taken an OLD TESTAMENT class.
Shows your ignorance by only picking and choosing what you want in misusing and misquoting scripture.
afancharger 2 years ago
Why did God let Noah (who He found to be righteous in His eyes live)?
All others were sinful and punished.
Noah was not punished and was given grace.
Obviously, you cannot read and critically think.
afancharger 2 years ago
afancharger : Ok, so if I don't believe we're all the inbred sons of Noah, who happened to put all the animals on a boat, then I'm incapable of critical thinking?
hallelujaallahuakbar 2 years ago
Even evolutionists have to believe we are inbred as how did we come from just one person. Many people and animals did not just appear because of the big bamg and poof they/we are here. Looks like you believe the exact same fairytale, in a sense.
So even without religion, one has to believe we are a resul of being inbred.
Are you capable of critical thinking?
afancharger 2 years ago
@afancharger : Evolution does not require inbreeding, at least as far as modern speciation is concerned. I'm sure it has happened from time to time, but not like the Bible says - if the entirety of humanity had been reduced to a handful of people twice or more within the last 10000 years, it would have had disastrous results on us today.
hallelujaallahuakbar 2 years ago
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afancharger 2 years ago
None of the stuff in this video LOGICALLY or NECESSARILY FOLLOWS from your basic premises.
So, that basicly kills off all of your main arguments.
In other words, your reasoning only works out if you assume hard determinism or strong Calvinism i.e. 5 Point Calvinism.
As an Open Theist NONE of what you claim in this video follows.
HumanLifeAwareness 2 years ago
Nothing in the "Open Theist" worldview makes sense. "Open Theist" fails to define God adequately enough for the concept to make any sense. May as well take a banana to be your deity.
hallelujaallahuakbar 2 years ago
@hallelujaallahuakbar
i dont want to argue with you, because you apparently missed the day God was giving out brains.
TheLittleninjagirl 2 years ago
Well, to be perfectly honest I don't think God gave out brains. He took a nap on the seventh day, remember. There was no brain day, just a party-hard seventh day.
hallelujaallahuakbar 2 years ago
see this is why im buddhist!!! lol too many contradictions and hypocracies in the bible and the christians who preach it...how does anyone know what 'GOD' feels, anyway? when u get a chance look up SGI.USA... see what u think..
xXxDiAmonD383xXx 2 years ago
its people like you that make me wonder.
God was punishing people for mistakes THEY made. he was taking out his wrath on a an unsaved, unholy world.
TheLittleninjagirl 2 years ago
@TheLittleninjagirl : God created this unsaved, unholy world. Are we just pawns in his/her/it's sadistic game?
hallelujaallahuakbar 2 years ago
No. God created the world, but he didn't create it how we know it. Humans screwed it all up, not God.
God created it perfect.
TheLittleninjagirl 2 years ago
@TheLittleninjagirl : If the world was perfect then imperfect things wouldn't come to exist.
hallelujaallahuakbar 2 years ago
God made humans perfect, with free will. WE screwed it up.
TheLittleninjagirl 2 years ago
@TheLittleninjagirl : Again, if humans are perfect, then humans would never screw up...
hallelujaallahuakbar 2 years ago
I think you need to go to church some more.. because apparently you cant read the bible right yourself... what if your parents decided to abort you!!! I'll keep you in my orayers because apparently you have some major issues and need God!!!!!!
softballer1202 2 years ago
How do you feel about theft? Did you get permission from the artist to use his music?
woodside365 2 years ago
How about a nice cup of go fuck yourself? Instead of wasting time requesting songs from a one hit wonder I've replaced the tune with classical music. I hope this pleases you. No more free advertising for artists with catty douchebag fans.
hallelujaallahuakbar 2 years ago
this movie is HORRIBLE
ThePianogirl91 2 years ago
Why?
hallelujaallahuakbar 2 years ago
It totally bashes on religion
ThePianogirl91 2 years ago
Religion bashes on everyone else... where is the problem?
hallelujaallahuakbar 2 years ago
How is it religious bashing. Its mostly quotes from the bible.
Thank you for this video. I wish more christian could see it.
Boudiga 2 years ago
Savage Bible Facts, 2 Kings, chapter 8: "You will set fire to their fortified places, kill their young men with the sword, dash their little children to the ground, and rip open their pregnant women."
PleasePonderThis 2 years ago
Yes I think its funny when gods orders an abortion.
Boudiga 2 years ago
God is God, we are not - get that through your thick skulls
roosters86 2 years ago
What do you mean by that?
hallelujaallahuakbar 2 years ago
God is God and we are not supposed to play "God" you see. Good govt will consider "good for 1 is good for all". In other words if everybody can do what 1 person is allowed to do and those actions lead to the total demise of a species then it must be made against the law for the many. Abortion is 1. Same sex marriage is 1. Murder is 1. Suicide is 1. There are others and they are all will lead to the same dead end for humanity if everybody did it. This makes them all the same..a crime.
srs876chief 2 years ago
srs876chief : "God is God and we are not supposed to play "God" you see."
Let's ban medicine then. God obviously wants most of us to die, as we all get infected by his will then are cured by men playing God.
"There are others and they are all will lead to the same dead end for humanity if everybody did it."
If everybody drank too much water, they'd die, and humanity would be screwed! Oh man, we should be rationing water!
hallelujaallahuakbar 2 years ago
Earth is "School of Hard Knocks" for us. Man plays God and man plays devil. Satan used to be in Heaven but got selfish. God fired satan and his minions to hell. To keep history from repeating itself, any entity God creates must go thru "School of Hard Knocks" to prove their worth. God can't make us be good. We gotta do it on our own with help of His bible.
I guess we should play God then and not play the devil. Thx for the insite.
srs876chief 2 years ago
Why is this "School of Hard Knocks" not equally hard for everybody? Why is my life so easy yet someone born with a birth defect is not so lucky?
hallelujaallahuakbar 2 years ago
ok tht was a little harsh but still so was tht video............
hawttie15 3 years ago
wtc.....y would neone ever say tht...its people like u who screwed up our world.. so dont go sayin its us chrisitans wen u did exactly the same.....now y dont u go read ur own damn book....
hawttie15 3 years ago
Which book would that be?
hallelujaallahuakbar 3 years ago
You still have not demonstrated to me what precisely in the child changes at birth, such that the baby is a person the moment we can see it, but a "blob of cells" the moment before. Birth is not the beginning of human life.
1Tim315 3 years ago
1Tim315 : Let's put it this way. It's killing a human being... but it doesn't matter. Do you think the death of a 95 year old with dementia is as tragic as the death of a recent grad?
I'm just not willing to say every death has moral equivalence - a pregnant teen is not Ted Bundy if she chooses to have an abortion. She just isn't. Deal with it.
hallelujaallahuakbar 3 years ago
On what basis does it "not matter"? Do you think women have the right to kill their newborn baby because it interferes with their "lifestyle"?
You apparently do not believe in any inherent value in the human person. Your position seems to be that a person's rights depend upon how they are viewed by others. Such a position can lead to a justification of i, not just abortion, but nfanticide, involuntary euthanasia, eugenics killing, and genocide.
1Tim315 2 years ago
"You apparently do not believe in any inherent value in the human person."
Sure I do. I simply believe that this value does not come from someone being forced to have a child.
"Such a position can lead to a justification of i, not just abortion, but nfanticide, involuntary euthanasia, eugenics killing, and genocide."
Uh, no. If you swat a fly, does that mean you don't believe in the value of life?
hallelujaallahuakbar 2 years ago
That all being said, you still have not shown me what it is about the child that changes at birth? Does the "blob of cells" magically become a baby as it comes out of the mother? Birth does not mark the beginning of human life. Pro-lifers have moved beyond such a primitive understanding of life, and have accepted the scientific facts of our day.
1Tim315 3 years ago
How about you accept the scientific fact that it isn't your body and the woman has a myriad of poorer options? Why must the state force every woman to carry every deadbeat's sperm to term?
hallelujaallahuakbar 3 years ago
No, it isn't my body, but the body being killed isn't the woman's either. A woman doesn't have the right to kill her innocent child (which is not a sperm - you are expressing a poor understanding of human reproduction) for the sake of herself. The state must protect the right to life of the pre-born person.
1Tim315 3 years ago
"A woman doesn't have the right to kill her innocent child (which is not a sperm - you are expressing a poor understanding of human reproduction) for the sake of herself."
Do you believe war is sometimes justified?
hallelujaallahuakbar 3 years ago
Yes, within limits, against an unjust aggressor and when there are no other alternatives.
This is not the same as killing an innocent person. The child is not an unjust aggressor who has chosen to assault the woman. It is her child, brought into existence through the functioning of her own body.
1Tim315 3 years ago
So, you believe that the state can go to war, kill innocent people in the process, to defend the lifestyle of its citizens
However you don't believe that a woman can kill a fetus she did not intend to create in order to defend her own lifestyle and any future children she may want with a JUST partner.
So you're just like God, you rationalize killing when whenever it is to your selfish advantage.
hallelujaallahuakbar 3 years ago
"So, you believe that the state can go to war, kill innocent people in the process, to defend the lifestyle of its citizens"
No. You have inserted the idea of "lifestyle", to attempt to make a false comparison between war and abortion.
1Tim315 2 years ago
"you don't believe that a woman can kill a fetus she did not intend to create"
One's personhood and human rights do not depend upon whether he or she was intended or is wanted. If I am struggling to maintain my own preferred lifestyle, but find I cannot because of the care I must give to my child, unintended or not, I am not justified in killing my child.
1Tim315 2 years ago
Furthermore, I just noticed, you have also inserted the scenerio of innocent people into the war situation. I did not say I believed any and all kinds of warfare is justified. Killing innocent civilians or using disproportionately destructive means is wrong, even if the war itself is justified.
1Tim315 2 years ago
"So you're just like God, you rationalize killing when whenever it is to your selfish advantage. "
My views are in no way to my advantage. I am already born, and as such am in no danger of being aborted. In fact, it would be to my, and other men's, advantage to justify abortion, allowing us to engage in sexual irresponsibility and have a way out.
It is your ideas which are selfish. You believe we have the right to kill our children so as to maintain our own lifestyle.
1Tim315 2 years ago
"No. You have inserted the idea of "lifestyle", to attempt to make a false comparison between war and abortion."
Have you not previously heard of the concept?
hallelujaallahuakbar 2 years ago
"One's personhood and human rights do not depend upon whether he or she was intended or is wanted."
It should. If the creation of the next generation depends on rape and coercion, then we are no better than animals.
hallelujaallahuakbar 2 years ago
"Killing innocent civilians or using disproportionately destructive means is wrong, even if the war itself is justified."
Of course it is, but you rationalize it because it is a "just war".
Same logic works for abortion.
hallelujaallahuakbar 2 years ago
"My views are in no way to my advantage."
Sure they are. If abortion was illegal, you'd get a warm fuzzy feeling inside that you've just earned some God-points and you think other people's babies are sooooooooooooo cute.
hallelujaallahuakbar 2 years ago
through the functioning of her own body? that doesnt make it good or compulsory. our bodies function in many ways but we disrupt natural processes all the time for our good. feti are not innocent. they cause damage to a womans body. pregnancy is a physically and psychologically taxing experience that women have a right to refuse at any time
leiapeison 2 years ago 3
it is the womans body that is supporting that being. it is not your body to dictate that she be an incubator to appease your conscience. a woman is not some breeding pig. if i am not free in my own skin i cant be free anywhere. the prolife position deny's women the control to dictate what happens to their bodies in the most gruesom manner possible. pregnancy is never benign and without harm. the prolife position abuses women through govt mandated childbirth.
leiapeison 2 years ago 3
leiapeison : Yes!
hallelujaallahuakbar 2 years ago
Your 100% right. The pro life way: Woman get preg, is now required to go through 9mons of preg then risk her life in labor. Her physical or mental health doesn't matter. Her age doesn't matter. Her ability to raise the child, doesn't matter. She must be forced to give birth and if she can't raise it, just toss it in the system. It doesn't matter if he or she is unloved, abused, neglected. If it because a problem teen or adult. Send it to prison and have it executed. At least it was born.
Boudiga 2 years ago 3
@Boudiga no your totally right, because those bad things "could" happen lets just kill the baby and give it no chance. how full of hate are you?
idunno123ism 1 year ago
@idunno So because I don't believe in creating more kids to grow up abused, unloved & horribly mistreated, that makes me hateful? Yeah its real easy to say abortion is bad & spend a saturday protesting a clinic. H/e being a parent to even one of those kids is a life time commitment. Why not fix the problems we have, rather than make more children to suffer a horrible life? Get a life and learn up on the facts before you respond to my 9month old comment. LOL
Boudiga 1 year ago
@Boudiga we need to fix the parents not kill the children. how can you not see the contempt in your own words? because the comment was old it is somehow less evil? there is never a reason to kill a child. i had a very messed up child hood with abuse and all kinds of things i care not to mention, i still do not believe i should have been killed before birth because of my parents mistakes. i need to grow up but it is ok to kill rather then take responsibility? who is immature?
idunno123ism 1 year ago
@idunno123ism First of all we have way to many kids in the first place. We are suffering from over population. Second how is what I said evil? I pointed out exactly the mentality of people like you. You don't care what happens to the fetus when its born, you just want it born and its quality life is not factored! Honesty what did I say that wasn't the truth? Pro-lifers don't care about the fetus after its born! You don't have to agree with, I sure as hell would never agree with you. LOL
Boudiga 1 year ago
@Boudiga in what way have i expressed that i dont care what happens after it is born by saying it is wrong to murder children? we are over populated? really? do you have any idea what you are talking about? it would take over 1 trillion humans living on the earth for over population to be a point of destructive force for nature. to many babies? so we should just kill all the ones being conceived? or maybe people should be taught in school about abstinence until they are ready for responsibility?
idunno123ism 1 year ago
@idunno ROFLMAO!! 1st of all we are over populated! It doesn't require 1 trillion people, we are already at the point, where people are starving, like in India & china. Just b/c ur spoiled in a 1st world country, of course u'll be the last to see it. The 3rd world countries are the first to be effected. BTW states that teach abstinence only in sex ed have more rates of unwanted pregnancy & spread of STDs, so obviously that doesn't work! I will always put the already born be4the unborn any day!
Boudiga 1 year ago
@Boudiga that is an opinion. this world is in no way overpopulated. if it is, then lets kill the parent and let the child live because the parent has had a chance and obviously messed up royally. second those people are starving because of greed and hatred not because of lack of supplies. it is the lack of concern for them not the lack of things to give them. the united states uses more resources then any other country including china. greed, not lack of supply.
idunno123ism 1 year ago
@idunno123ism Also as a pro-life, I'm sure you devoting boycott walmart and other stores that are involved in sweat shops. You know where men, women and children work in dangerous factories, often having their fingers crushed, guards shooting people in the knees, 10 yr olds working over 19 hr work days, etc... Or is the unborn the only life you care about?
Boudiga 1 year ago
@Boudiga what does that have to do with abortion? so because other people are committing evil atrocities it is ok to kill the children rather then let this happen? how do you know one of these unborn children wouldnt be gifted with knowledge and understanding and grow to fix the worlds problems because of the bad that happens to them in life in those instances? how full of hatred is your heart?
idunno123ism 1 year ago
@idunno123ism You are also assuming the fetus as equal to a already bone life, when I don't. I'm not full of hate, I just go basic facts. 1 the woman carrying it is already born and is a legal person. 2. in medicine if a pregnant woman or the fetus is at risk and its one or the other, the woman life saved over the fetus UNLESS there is documentation from her to do differently. 3 the heart is an organ that pumps blood and doesn't effect emotions or opinion, basic bio, the brain does that.
Boudiga 1 year ago
@Boudiga there is only 1 percent of abortions done in america because of risk to child or mother, that does not justify the murder of the other children, how cold to say that a heart is merely a pump. how do you not see your own hatred. can you still be aborted? cause yuo are only flesh, why is murder wrong?
idunno123ism 1 year ago
@idunno That wasn't what I was saying. I said that the mother life is valued more than the fetus. Unless she has documentation, she can yell all she wants to keep her baby, they will choose her life over the fetus, putting her as more important as per our laws! When a baby is born it is no longer inside someone, and its own person! When its inside someone, it is effecting some1 else health and body! When its born, then its own person and it can be raised by its birth family or adopted.
Boudiga 1 year ago
@Boudiga that is exactly what you said. no matter how you twist it, that is what you said.
idunno123ism 1 year ago
@idunno123ism What exactly did I say? Except people like you don't care about the already born? LOL its true.
Boudiga 1 year ago
@idunno H/e when its inside some1,I give that person the right do what they want with their body! Finely, r u aware of basic bio? B/c the heart does NOT effect ur emotions! Thats the brain! Just b/c I don't believe as u do, doesn't mean I"m full of hate. Maybe ur hate women? Why do u hate women that u want them to be force to give birth against their will? r u aware of the health risk in preg? Why do u hate women so much that u would force them to have a baby against their will?
Boudiga 1 year ago
@Boudiga force them to have a baby against there will? why do you hate children so much that you think they should pay the consequence of their mother and fathers actions? show me one state where it is legal to teach abstinence in schools without teaching condemns and birth control before you say that in states where abstinence is taught there is a higher rate of unwanted preg. i am the one that needs to do my homework? i will pray for you but i have nothing else to say to you.
idunno123ism 1 year ago
@idunnoLOL I why do u hate children so much that u would force them to be born w/out loving homes or medical care? Why do you hate them so much that you would allow one to be born all fucked because women who are forced to give birth against their will they will be more likely to abuse drugs & alcohol? As for the abstinence only crap, many Xian schools as well as very conservative areas will NOT each bc! Mississippi just past a law forcing them to add BC because abstinence only wasn't working!
Boudiga 1 year ago
@Boudiga have you read anything you have written? how am i supposed to think this sounds? hateful, while calling me it for not wanting children murdered. i love you as a person and hope your heart is at great peace.
idunno123ism 1 year ago
@idunno Its not hateful, u r taking it that way b/c it disagrees what u believe. A fetus nor any unborn is not a legal person until its born. I said be4 & I stand by it. We disagree on what the fetus is. We disagree oh what we should hold value to in life. For ex. u & I don't value the life of cancer. H/e u value a fetus as equal or more to u & I. I don't. B/c u can't force me to see a fetus as a newborn drives u nuts. U can't control another person opinion. You xian should really learn that.
Boudiga 1 year ago
@Boudiga no i am saying it doesnt matter what you believe. the action of abortion is stopping a child from having a chance at life. that is simple truth not a matter of belief or understanding. i am saying you are wrong not that i think you think like me, you certainly do not think as i.
idunno123ism 1 year ago
@idunno By that logic so does a condom. It stops a child from having a chance of life. LOLThe fetus is not legally a child. Its called a child out affection for the mom who wants to keep the preg, but legally its still part of her body &she is free to do with it as she wishes. She is legally allowed to eat foods that can hurt the fetus, do drugs, drink, etc U feel its a life & deserves equal protection, than u have the right feel that way, h/e u can't force the rest of us to live as u choose.
Boudiga 1 year ago
@Boudiga :)you are wrong. if a baby is tested to have drugs in its system when it is born it is taken from the parents, again you speak from ignorance as though you know what you are talking about and claim that is the case for my side in the same breath. how sad. good bye.
idunno123ism 1 year ago
@idunno did you read what I wrote? Yes if the baby is tested for drugs when its born they'll take it away from the mother. However women are able to do drugs while they are pregnant, even legal ones that can harm the fetus. Showing the womans wishes are still over the f etus needs. Really think for a change.
Boudiga 1 year ago
@Boudiga so they are supposed to take the baby away while she is pregnant? of course they have to wait till it is born, i do not wish to make fun, but are you frigging serious? the act against the child was performed while she was pregnant in the case of drugs, therefore it is bad things done against a prenatal human, not the born child that causes the offense. i am the one not thinking? were you born with a melded chromosome?
idunno123ism 1 year ago
@idunno wow you can't make a point, so your trying to act smart. LOL you make me laugh. Now as for my last comment, my point shows that the woman has the right to do what she wants with her body over the needs of fetus. Hence she has the right to also terminate the pregnancy because its her body! Which was the point, however it went over your head. Here is a mistake you are making, you assume I see the fetus as equal to the already born. "prenatal human" thats a joke.
Boudiga 1 year ago
@idunno I would also be more sympathetic to the pro-life cause if 1. They didn't lie about adoption! We have a 1/2 mill in the system. 2 They promoted birth control! 3. they tried to fix the reason people have abortions. 4. They promoted charities to help house, educate and feed children for low in-come and I"m not talking about a simple food drive. But actual reform to fix the problem itself. But most don't bother, its sooo much easier to go protest on a Saturday than to raise just one kid!
Boudiga 1 year ago
@Boudiga because of a lot of people that think exactly as you do there is greater need to preserve the childrens life right now then to simply feed them. it is more important they be protected then fed as it stands pro lifers are too busy stopping people like you to help with such things, then you have the gull to blame your lack of care for human life on them? you are a very sad person.
idunno123ism 1 year ago
@idunno123ism LOL you sure are making this supposed sad person, laugh their ass off. LOL I don't see a fetus as a child. I've seen aborted fetuses, they look like fish and since I"m not of your superstitions (ie religion) I don't believe every ejaculation deserves a name!.
Boudiga 1 year ago
@Boudiga you are only making it sound sadder by stating it as such in mocking. i pray you lead a blessed life with riches and happiness beyond your greatest imagination. may peace and satisfaction follow you everywhere you go.
idunno123ism 1 year ago
@idunno and I will chant to Odin and draw blood from my arm that you will find your way out of your shell and do something actually positive with your life. And I"m not mocking you, I'm just giving you facts.
Boudiga 1 year ago
@Boudiga you know nothing of what i have done with my life. you assume everything and know nothing. that is why you must make these allegations to assert superiority. because your heart knows your mind is wrong. peace be with you child of God.
idunno123ism 1 year ago
@idunn U know nothing about me & make all kinds of silly claims. Like calling me a child of god, who said I believe in ur god? My brain tells me that we have too many children & not enough ppl doin anything to help so abortion as well as bc is needed. My heart tells me nothing my brain tells it to pump blood. U don't seem to grasp simple bio. LOL well I guess I spanked ur brain enough. I don't poke a lion unless u wanna get scratched. LOL bye Go hide underur bed telling urself how right u r. LOL
Boudiga 1 year ago
@Boudiga it does not matter if you believe in God. He is still the reason you exist, i am sorry i worded it wrong. "well I guess I spanked ur brain enough. I don't poke a lion unless u wanna get scratched." hahah how do you not see your own flagarant ignorance? you have said nothing of substantial intellectual value that would dictate your superiority in this debate except that you say you have. do you know what it means to have delusions of grandeur?
idunno123ism 1 year ago
@idunn Wow god has a penis? Sorry but really keep religion out of this, faith is an individual thing and doesn't belong in theses debates. You haven't given me any basic grounds for debate. Its your opinion that a fetus is equal to an already born person, its defentily not reflexed in the law.
Boudiga 1 year ago
@Boudiga haha thank you for continuing to validate what i have said. i hope you have a peaceful joyous life.
idunno123ism 1 year ago
@idunno123ism LOL only in your mind. But thank you for showing yet again, pro-lifers don't care about children, just the unborn. Its pretty sad really.
Boudiga 1 year ago
@Boudiga such cold hearted manipulation, of course you dont see how you are wrong.
idunno123ism 1 year ago
@idunno123ism You have no argument so you try to hide behind silly metaphors. My Heart is body temperature like the rest of us. Either give a valued argument or give up.
Boudiga 1 year ago
@Boudiga did you say anything at all here?
idunno123ism 1 year ago
@idunno123ism Well I pointed out that pro-lifers don't care about the already born. And you are showing me pretty well that its true. You don't care if the mother is poor, a victim of rape or is sick. She are pro-force birth. You also don't care about the baby when its born. It doesn't matter if the child will grow up or unloved as long as its born, you don't give a damn. Just make more children! Add the problem!
Boudiga 1 year ago
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@idunno123ism Well I pointed out that pro-lifers don't care about the already born. And you are showing me pretty well that its true. You don't care if the mother is poor, a victim of rape or is sick. You are pro-force birth. You also don't care about the baby when its born. It doesn't matter if the child will grow up or unloved as long as its born, you don't give a damn. Just make more children! Add the problem!
Boudiga 1 year ago
@idunno I will proudly say I"m morally superior than u. I support taking care of the already born & fixing the reason people have abortions. U don't care about the already born & only want to add the problems making more unwanted kids. u should be ashamed but sadly I don't think ur smart enough to realize how fucked up ur mentality is. If u r so pro-life why not worry about the kids who need to be saved from starving, drugs, abuse? Oh way that actually means getting off ur ass & doing something!
Boudiga 1 year ago
@Boudiga so because i dont want the unborn murdered i dont care about the already born? you dont see how sad this sounds and is? peace be with you in all your life's endeavors.
idunno123ism 1 year ago
"Every child a wanted child"?
So, if a child is "not wanted" (i.e., not wanted by the parents for whatever reason, even he or she could be wanted by a couple who would loving adopt them), it's better to kill the child than give him an opportunity at life?
Also, pro-lifers are not opposed to abortion because it kills a "potential child." We are opposed to it because it kills an actual child, a human being.
1Tim315 3 years ago
Oh, so a fetus and an 8 year old are the same thing?
I've never heard of a miscarriage of an 8 year old.
If an 8 year old is unwanted by their parents, then guess what, the government steps in. If a fetus is unwanted, then abortion is an option. If a fertilized egg is unwanted, then you wear a rubber.
hallelujaallahuakbar 3 years ago
So, I guess your answer to my question is yes, it's okay to kill as an unwanted child - as long as you can't see him. Sorry, birth doesn't mean anything. Nothing about the baby changes from the moment before birth to the moment after.
1Tim315 3 years ago
"Nothing about the baby changes from the moment before birth to the moment after."
So why don't we have funeral for miscarriages? Why don't you rape people in order to prevent the deaths of children?
hallelujaallahuakbar 3 years ago
Whether we have funerals for miscarriages or not is irrelevent to whether the child does in fact change at the moment of birth (which it doesn't). The fact that people don't behave in accordance with the truth doesn't negate the truth. It would be like arguing for racism by saying "Well, if other races aren't unequal, why do they get unequal treatment?" It's not a logical argument.
1Tim315 3 years ago
That being said, some people do mourn the death of their unborn babies after a miscarriage, and count those babies as a lost child. Many people name their children before birth.
1Tim315 3 years ago
"Why don't you rape peoploe in order to prevent the death of children?"
What on earth...? I am assuming you are in someway trying to sex cells (sperm and egg) with a newly conceived organism (after the sperm and egg have ceased to exist, having joined to form a new being).
1Tim315 3 years ago
Just for a scientific point of view that argument is awful.
1Tim315 3 years ago
Sex cells are as much a human being as a fertilized egg is.
How many years in prison would you give someone who has had an abortion?
hallelujaallahuakbar 3 years ago
No, they aren't. They are genetically incomplete cells from each of the parents, the purpose of which is to join and become a new organism. Once they have joined (fertilization), the new "fertilized egg" is not, properly speaking, a fertilized egg, since it is now a new, genetically complete organism. The sperm and egg are not comparable to a new embryo.
1Tim315 3 years ago
You didn't answer my question. Is a woman that has had an abortion the same thing as an axe murderer? Life in prison for the serial abortionists?
hallelujaallahuakbar 3 years ago
The action a woman commits when she has an abortion is murder. However, I understand that many, if not most, women have an abortion under great emotioal duress, and often without an absolute realization of what they are doing. That does not excuse the action, but it certainly throws the character of the woman in a different light. For reasons such as these, I simply am unsure of what the legal consequences for a woman who has an abortion should be...
1Tim315 3 years ago
(although, I would not argue that we are to round up women who have had abortions since it was made legal and send them to prison - I don't know of any pro-life person who does).
I DO believe, however, that those who perform the abortions should be punished as child murderers. If abortion is child murder, than what other just consequence is there?
1Tim315 3 years ago
I do not know what the precise legal consequences of an abortion should be. If you're worried about cops running around locking up women, look to the pre-roe v. wade America, when abortion was legal. It was't happening. Regardless though, the question of the legal consequences of having or procuring an abortion is a seperate question from abortion itself. Don't distract from the latter with the former.
1Tim315 3 years ago
You started by saying that abortion is the same as killing an actual child. Now you're saying it should be penalized differently. Have you thought your position through?
hallelujaallahuakbar 3 years ago
Actually, I never did say it should be penalized differently. I said I am unsure. Pro-lifers, believe it or not, actually care about women (as well as their children), and we don't jump at the idea of putting women in prison. We see that women are also victims of abortion (as well as the children), often being pushed towards an abortion as their only possibility, and suffering for it afterwards...
1Tim315 3 years ago
I have thought about it, and I am reluctant to assert that women who have abortions should be sent to prison. As I said, abortion is murder, and certainly those who perform the abortions should be punished...
1Tim315 3 years ago
As I said before, however, the legal consequences of an illegal abortion are a seperate matter from the nature of abortion itself and whether abortion should be protected under the law. If you think mine or any other person's position on the former is inconsistent and wrongly compassionate, you may very well have a valid argument. But, it has no bearing upon whether abortion is in fact murder.
1Tim315 3 years ago