Greece and Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia

[TheVozimisko]

hahahhahahah you are total idiot my friend . "I read a article" wtf  i read a article too tnat you are idiot hahahahaahahahahahah

learn same history please you idiot , and rename your fucking country Yugoslavija thank you .

Мајкати со бугари да се ебат за пари копиле смрдено ти најде да солис памет оф оф ,пак уште и се смееш. и дојди во МАКЕДОНИЈА да кажвиш такви глупости крвта со цевче ке ти ја испијам да ти ебам стопанката

[TheLen011]

Check these videos out :)

/watch?v=PLLdkujzVKo

/watch?v=0tearkvCTEw

[MrKristijan97]

Go to wikipedia and write Macedonia and you can see who we are !

[PrEppYNYCBoi]

@MrKristijan97 I did and it said Macedonians are Greek.

[carli2302]

You're right that slavs came to this region in the 7th century but that doesn't mean that they were in isolation, they have mixed with the native population (Dardanians, Tracians, Ilyrians, ancient Macedonians) so to say that they are plain slavs is equivalent to say that all south americans are spainards and portugals, btw the so called greeks (helens) were located primarily on the pelopones and the islands and they considered macedonians as barbarians

[carli2302]

If you're so smart my greek friends then can you answer me why your government did enthic cleansing in the Aegean part of macedonia after the Balkan wars, the part that nowadays you call it North Greece or Greek Macedonia, why your government prohibited to those people to speak their native language and instead through public schools forced them to speak greek and why they replaced the names of every single town and vilage with greek names Apparently that part doesn't belong to your gipsy state

[vidacosta]

Awesome....I am greek macedonian and i just cant believe how dumb & ignorant the slavs of FYROM can be... It completely freaks me out..WOW. Mind boggling

[carli2302]

Obviosly you were brainwashed by the Hell Ass propaganda.. It's ok it's not your fault :)) Macedonia will change it's name when North american countries start calling themselves Ex Britsh, Dutch and French colonies (How cute will sound Former British United States of America or Former Spanish Slavery Republic of Dominicana) and South american countries Ex Spanish and Portugal colonies (Former Portuguese Republic of Brazil) btw nowadays greeks have similar genetic background with north africans

[Cryptomyself]

Obviously you were brainwashed to believe that everyone who supports what every archaeological proof does, that the ancient Macedonians wrote and spoke ONLY Greek, so what were they then?, must have been brainwashed, because it rejects the semi-literate approach to the subject your country's so called "historians" have, but which were taught at the school of Tito's communism or have no professional background, just amateur activity like the "brilliant" engineers Tendov and Boshevski.

[Cryptomyself]

@carli2302 Just keep supporting your racist approach, because it will turn against you and maybe you will do the Greeks a favor. But for you to know: your blood, genes or DNA is as mixed as of everybody else. This thing does not count a bit. You speak Serbo-Bulgarian, a Slavic language, the ancient Macedonians did not. So your culture makes you what you are. And I doubt you really have one, but make all the other Slavs, from other countries, ashamed of their great and true ancestry.

[phil5854]

vergina sun is greek

[PaokOrDead]

WE ALL KNOW THAT MACEDONIA IS GREEK... WE DONT NEED VIDEOS TO PROVE THIS...

[cobone2]

There is ONLY one Macedonia and thats in Northern Greece...FYROM is a nation of Slavs who have nothing to do with Macedonia....

[AgiosFanourios]

great video.. love you suggestion to remame FYROM to yugoslavia (southern slavia) but the large albanian minority in FYROM would not accept this name as they are not slavs.. keep the good work up

[momcemk]

fuck Helenik propagandas We all know Greece has good propaganda suported by G.B and France, and Greece is like a pet to them.

[epacorba]

Caaaamon dont make fools of your self. There were no Greek republik. Greece in that time was Helada. For them Alexander was barbarian, and they were in war. So how could he be Greek?

thats why they whant to change our name, so that they are the only Macedonians, and so they to adopt our (Alexander the Macedonia) culture and history...

[epacorba]

PrEppYNYCBoi, where are you from? What make you so good in Macedonian history. Do you leave in the Balkan and do you read something else (like history of Republik of MACEDONIA) or you just read Helenik propagandas?

We all know Greece has good propaganda suported by G.B and France, and Greece is like a pet to them.

Now the Germans will work 40 hours a week till 68 years, so they can help Hellass, and they dont whant to work not eaven 28 hours a week till 54 years.

WHAT A PARADOX

[PrEppYNYCBoi]

@epacorba I actually read BOTH. Greeks have been in Macedonia for thousands of years and Slavs came to Macedonia in the 7th Century AD. So it's stupid when people from FYROM claim that Alexander was theirs and that Alexander was Slavic when Slavs didn't come until 1,000 years after he died.

[LarisaHellas24]

@PrEppYNYCBoi Don't worry you know the very correct history. all your facts are correct. The FYROMians are very uneducated and have non historical ties to macedonia. Honestly man they have last names with -ski. just like all the other slavs.

[kingjohn350]

hey you`re right! but you forgot or (what i think:) you don`t know that the ancient Macedonians weren`t in any affair withe ancient greece people! the ancient macedonians and the ancient greeks didn`t like them together. After that the greeks took the ancient macedonians over! after that in the 6th century the slaves took the overtaken macedonians who had to call them self greeks because of the greeks!!!!!

When it was yugoslavia, the Part of Macedonia was called MACEDONIA too!!!!!!!

So fuck you

[almostnormal22]

@PrEppYNYCBoi I have to admit that at the begging of the video I thought: "WTF what can this American dude know anything about the Balkans". But once I watched the whole video I realized you are quite well informed about the naming issue and your arguments are very reasonable.

Vardarska Banovina, also known as FYROM was not created by natural means, as all other countries in the world. It was created by political circumstances in 1944, by Josip Broz Tito.

[cobone2]

@epacorba

I dont live in the balkans but i was born there.Macedonians are Greeks your a slavo-bulgarian nation whos history is well known to educated people.and now you sit here belittleing this kid because he educated himself about your nations LIES??And what the fuck does Greece economy have to do with your false ethnicity????The global economy is fucked and you want to point your slavic finger at Greece??Look at your own landlocked shithole nation first then talk shit about Greece.

[epacorba]

@cobone2

Shut up you dumb asshole. First come here and known the situation well. You are a run away bitch, and now you are shiting from distance.

I gave you facts, what you have to say about that. Dont talk bullshit.

Greeks have big propaganda supported by economy strong countries. They know that and they are using that.

[cobone2]

@epacorba

Its to easy insulting idiots like you..What Greek Propaganda?You mean all the ancient writting on EVERYTHING ever found in Macedonia is nothing BUT Greek,You mean the fact that all Macedonian names are Greek,You mean that every Macedonian coin grave tomb inscription has ONLY Greek on it..If thats wht you call Propaganda then Yes i am a believer of Propaganda..When you show me something SLAVIC from ancient Macedonia i will call you slavs Macedonians.until then Greeks are Macedonians

[Cryptomyself]

And this is for those hilarious and almost retarded people from FYROM posting comments (while enough of the rest of them I like to believe are not as such) that support the unscientific theory of the middle text of the Rosetta Stone as being written in the "Ancient Macedonian" language, the "ancestor" of the Slavic one spoken today:

/watch?v=IuQTEohAmCQ

/watch?v=0Qi2ADQWUUQ

Peace!

[wolwes2007]

Motherfucker

[Cryptomyself]

I saw that a lot of comments have been posted since I looked over here the last time. The uneducated Slavs from FYROM have appeared and made unscientific or rude comments which could confuse foreigners. Becasue of that, I invite everyone to check this site: macedoniaforevergreek.webs.com or to watch at least these videos:

/watch?v=ax5M9Cp1JFs

/watch?v=HtU7HrQZ6y4

/watch?v=lLuBtiC6zW4

/watch?v=z1hrmmLvv0Q

/watch?v=m2G1MPIfI3w

/watch?v=qLuTjBN2Nq4

/watch?v=Q-iB6ueltSk

Thanks for doing it so!

[TheStefchoo]

1.Dude have you hear about the Bucharest deal in 1913 ? :)

2.Why you don't rename yourself ? for ex. your name is Phill you own a lot of thing from your grandfather and from your father and then you have to rename yourself in George and you will lose everything..EVERYTHING YOU HAVE !

WILL YOU ?

[kostasdania]

@TheStefchoo bulgarian iredentism? is that all about? do u know that the year calendar goze before BC?...give it a rest man.....

[epacorba]

Hey, I whant to name you Idiot. I dont like your name, so I will name you Idiot. OK?

Who the F are you to give us another name!!! I dont like the name Greece so lets change their name, right? NOOO. Thats is wright on every country to name their selfs, not others.

So the Hellass has teritory named Macedonia, and becouse of that we should chang the name of a country? hahahahahaaa LOL...

[PrEppYNYCBoi]

@epacorba Tito changed your name to Socialist Macedonia in 1944 who the f is he!

[TheMegaArtist]

@PrEppYNYCBoi You are completely retarded idiot..Demented child shall we say..

[TSAR373]

@PrEppYNYCBoi You forget something-how can you have a country if you don't have language and a people?I'm talking to a man with reason right?REAL history tells us that "Macedonians" exist since 1944,before that they were known as Bulgarians (see "Preliminary Treaty of San Stefano","Encyclopedia Brittanica" and any "Ottoman Ferman").After Serbian PROPAGANDA and PERSECUTION of people refusing not to be Bulgarians, THE LIE BECAME A TRUTH."WE NEEDED HISTORY AND WE MADE ONE UP"as a "Macedonian" said.

[PrEppYNYCBoi]

@TSAR373 Good point.

[shockolanu]

@epacorba

If you do not want to change the name of your country, adopt the Hellenic culture too.

I too am a Macedonian and I consider Makedones to be Hellenes, not Sklaveni (South Slavs).

[kostasdania]

@epacorba pssst moron...do u know IZNOGOOD?

[alpojo]

Damnn, U so fuckin dumb!

[NikolAdriano]

Fact 6 - Solun? must be new for you :) Kutles too, kavala, drama, seres, and many more....

These are the names of the towns and villages from the Aegean part of Macedonia. Solun is the name of the town now called thesalloniki, It used yo be the capital of Macedonia, the names are changed during 1913 and 1948 under the dictatorship of Yoannis Metaxas.

[TheMegaArtist]

Read quotes from ancient greek historians and writers..From American historians,from European historians,from Macedonian historians..

w w w history of macedonia o r g

[NikolAdriano]

Fact 4 - Slavic language? where have you learned that the Slavic language is the basic for the Macedonian language? the old Macedonian language contained 6 vowels from which these 5 still are part of many slavic languages A,E,I,O,U including the Macedonian language. Have you heard about the Rozeta stone? that ancient artifact confirms that the current language is similar the the current.

[NikolAdriano]

Fact 3 - Where are the people who lived there, the actual Macedonians. You haven't heard of Yoannis Metaxas, nor the greek propaganda during 1913 to 1949. Have you heard about the trade between Turkey and Greece that was made after the Greek-Turk war in 1922, where almost 200.000 people from aegean Macedonia, moved to Turkey and Istanbul. Or about the exile of nearly 400.000 Macedonians after the civil war in 1948, where Macedonians we're burned with napalm and exiled from their homes.

[TheMegaArtist]

@NikolAdriano Also my brother,let's mention how Metaxas gaved orders to stab Macedonian children's tongues with needles if they spoke the Macedonian language,or if they said there is Macedonia and Macedonian nation.

[NikolAdriano]

Fact 2 - Looking at the maps of WW2? good, you'll see interesting things there, but why not look at the older map's, where Macedonia is distinguished from greece? Look at the map of Macedonia before the first Balkan war, look at it after the second Balkan war, and you will see that Macedonia was divided into 3 parts, 1 for serbia(Vardar), one for Bulgaria(Pirin) and the biggest for Greece(Aegean). Before 1913, Macedonia was never part of greece.

[NikolAdriano]

Nice of you to start learning, unfortunately looking at a map doesn't get you to the right answers.

Fact 1 - Is Macedonia part of Greece? NO. Just look at Demosten's Filipiki(books), in them he wrote, Philip 2(Alexander the great's father) and the Macedonians are barbarian(non greek) without culture. Look at the battle at Chaeronea, why would a king of a country as you say greece, would conquer greece and make them pay taxes including taking slaves?

[external986]

Hey you stupid ! I fuckd your mother tonight in the ass.. ahaha

fuck you stupid ass - hole

[TheMegaArtist]

Look at this fagget.. hahahahahaha

[PrEppYNYCBoi]

Some of you make me laugh! It is obvious that Macedonia is Greek! Some slavs say that Alexander spoke "Slavic"...How is that possible when there was no Slavic language around in the time of Alexander! Macedonians are Greek...PERIOD.

[HarryPotter3090]

@PrEppYNYCBoi Its so obvious that ur mother is bitch and u little bastard... i dont see how this is problem with u? watch ur job asshole

[Electra0fMacedon]

nice choise of name :) smart one ! but they aint gonna name their country yugoslavia , they are addicted to pseudomacedonism , they recently erected a statue of Alexander the Great AND a statue of the Bulgarian Tzar Samuel nearby ...(!!!) LOL

they are in desperate need of a historical identity that can connect them to the ancient balkan stock because their country is basically a mix of ethnicities (bulgarian serbian albanian turkish) and if they wont stick to macedonism they ll fall apart

[Arhs77]

@Electra0fMacedon I wonder why dey don't erect a statue of King Basil, could it be because he was nicknamed BULGARSLAYER. Don't forget that they are going to erect a statue of Julius Cesar too and the triumhp arch and call them Macedonians and while they are at it why not Mikey Mouse and Donald Duck don't forget Superman and Batman too

[Electra0fMacedon]

FYROM >> nothing to do with the ancient macedonians...!!!

Archaeologists confirm that , Historians confirm that

Ancient Macedonia was ENTIRELY within the modern GREEK borders and was much more restrictive in size than today's Macedonian region in Greece...

[huliganbt]

@Cryptomyself life and traditions since we were ocupied by turkey for 500 years or so. But when you go back in roman time our people identefied them in macedonians even though they were ocupied by roman empire, as well by byzantine empire still our people identified themselfs as macedonians later the turkish as well. Now when you ocupied our teritories you killed, kicked out and made people suffer when they used macedonian language and macedonian ways of living.

[Cryptomyself]

@huliganbt Now, what you are doing is transforming "Macedonian" into a pure racist term, that's a person who keeps almost clean his blood, DNA or I don't know what other important characteristic you find to make somebody what he pretends to be, but which excludes that person's culture, language or traditions. You pretend that first of all you spoke "Macedonian" (=Greek), while that today you speak "Macedonian" (= Bulgarian) and you are still the only "Macedonians". That's hilarious!

[Cryptomyself]

@huliganbt Dude, what is important is not what kind of "blood" you have, we are all mixed in the modern world. It is first of all about what culture and ideals, mainly expressed to the language you speak and keep it as your first, you consider yourself part of.

[Cryptomyself]

@huliganbt This is what the real Macedonians, not "your people", considered about themselves they were: "Had I not greatly at heart the common welfare of Greece (Hellas) I should not have come to tell you; but I am myself Greek (Hellene) by descent, and I would not willingly see Greece exchange freedom for slavery." (Herodotus IX, 45, 2) ... said Alexander I, King of Macedon, a family ancestor of Alexander III the Great. Does anybody need some other proof? There are a lot of them!

[Arhs77]

@huliganbt What about some bulgarian that sent a letter to Tito saying there is no Macedonian consusnes in this country (F.Y.R.O.(M)) and they are more BULGARIAN then Bulgarians in Bulgaria?

[huliganbt]

@Cryptomyself Macedonia and macedonians were were under roman ocupation, byzantine ocupation, turkish ocupation, in the last 100 years in serbian, bulgarian and greek. When you are ocupied by that many nations and that many years we did mix with other nations as time passed but we are still macedonians, We do have some slavic in blood, life, traditions since a lot of slavic people movied in our teritories in the 6th centery and there is some turkish in our blood,

[Arhs77]

@huliganbt Do you know who KING BASIL was? Look him up in a history book please.You are A pure Brainwashed Slav

[huliganbt]

@Cryptomyself My family comes from agen macedonia as they were born there in Solun. In the 1944 they got kicked out by the greek army and some of my family moved in canada and australia and some movied in northen macedonia ocupied by serbia at that time. Thats where i was born. You call us slavic.... well let me tell you. We do have some slavic blood in us as slav people movied and in our territories and mixed in with the macedonians.

[huliganbt]

@Cryptomyself Greece has a hold of 51% of the macedonian territory. Now i want to go back to the time when greek state was crated in the otoman empire, where was macedonia then? it was seperate state. Macedonians lived on the whole macedonian territory. You guys did not include macedonia untill the balkan wars in 1912 and 1913 when we kicked out the turkish army from macedonia. And then you guys ocupied our territories and split our country. .

[Arhs77]

@huliganbt That might be but we were fighting bulgarians and slavs that has nothing to do there

[weightnut]

Monkeydonian IMRO Propaganda

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[huliganbt]

Greece has hold of macedonia which is nortern greece called agean macedonia that is true but that is only 51% of the macedonia which therr is another part in bulgaria and now in macedonia as well.... macedonia was divided in 1913 by greece bulgaria and serbia. So if macedonia was greek why greece agree to divide it and didnt take it all.... my country macedonia now is the part that was taken by serbia which serbs gave it back to us. Just want to make some things clear.

[Cryptomyself]

@huliganbt "Aegean Macedonia", as you call it, or, actually, the only and proper Macedonia is the original Greek one, while "Vardar" (FYROM) and "Pirin" (Bulgaria) are only later extensions. Parts of their territories were, indeed, the ancient Macedonians' conquest, but never proper Macedonia (except of Pelagonia), as neither Egypt didn't became Macedonia under the Macedonian rule, whose language and culture was Greek as of the rest of the ancient Greek world, not Slavic or else.

[Cryptomyself]

@huliganbt Third and the last, Serbia didn't give you anything back, you are Slavs and relatives of them, but mostly of the Bulgarians. It was Tito who created in the early 40ies of the last century the so-called "People's/Socialist Republic of Macedonia" inside YugoSLAVIA, by renaming Southern Serbia/Vardar Banovina and transforming it into a "republic". His reasons were purely political, wanting to weaken Serbia and to make irredentist claims over the proper Macedonia of Greece.

[pasrepas]

Ευχαριστώ για το βίντεο , Χαιρετισμούς από Θεσσαλονίκη / Μακεδονία

Thanks for the video , Greetings from Thessaloniki / Makedonia

[weightnut]

Good video. The name dispute is a silly issue that can be difficult to understand. It would be ridiculous to re-name FYRO'M' to Yugoslavia because it is no longer a land of southern Slavs, it is a nation of different ethnic groups. There is roughly 40% Albanians, also large Turkish and Roma minorities. There is no Bulgarians which is strange considering the similarities...Monkeydonia would be an appropriate name to match the nation of a fabricated and comical history.

[shockolanu]

@weightnut 500 000 Greek refugees of the Greek Civil War have been forcefully Slavonised.

[PrEppYNYCBoi]

Yugoslavia is a country in Southeast Europe. It borders Albania to the west, Greece to the South, Bulgaria to the east, and to the North it borders Kosovo and Serbia. It's official language is Yugoslavian. It's capital is Skopje. :)

[Arhs77]

@PrEppYNYCBoi You are so right, but there is not a Macedonian language that is connected to the Kingdom of Macedonia. Alexander spoke doric greek just like the Spartans. Ochrid is from the time of Alexander but then it was called Akrida and it means the Edge/End (of Kingdom of Macedonia).

[PrEppYNYCBoi]

@Arhs77 I know Alex spoke Greek but a lot of people from FYROM claim he spoke "Macedonian" which in reality is Bulgarian.

[Cryptomyself]

@PrEppYNYCBoi The people of FYROM can pretend what they want, but they are out of any scientific approach. Macedonia and everything Macedonian started as being Greek, regardless the later middle ages migrations of Slavs and other people in the area. None of those are entitled to take for themselves the name and make it a country, a nation or a language. Ancient Macedonia was a Greek kingdom and the modern one is a region of Greece. The country of FYROM must change its name. Period.

[PrEppYNYCBoi]

@Cryptomyself If FYROM was the real Macedonia, they wouldn't need the "Former Yugoslav Republic Of" in front of it...I'm mad at Tito for making the Socialist Federal Republic of Macedonia in 1944.

[Cryptomyself]

@PrEppYNYCBoi You are right. FYROM isn't the real Macedonia. It's only a country created for purely political motives by the communists and now it is tool for weakening Greece on every field by those who don't like it.

[Arhs77]

@PrEppYNYCBoi Greece had civil wars in 46 to 48 i think, not sure when that ended.

During that time brothers killed eachother, Greece exiled comunists these comunist could hide in Yugoslavia and Bulgaria, other comunist countrys helped Yougoslavia like Romania and The Soviet Union. I think there is a UN document on the desabilazing situation that Greece went throu during those years.

[LeukiArktos]

@PrEppYNYCBoi I Agree with your view.

[TheMegaArtist]

@LeukiArktos Don't you see she is wearing glasses,her view is not clear.

[LeukiArktos]

@TheMegaArtist he is a man.

[TheMegaArtist]

@PrEppYNYCBoi You should educate your cunt ass before you put your ugly face on youtube..You are biting modern "greek" propaganda,and that automatically mocks your intellegence.

[Arhs77]

@Cryptomyself Well said my friend, but the people from FYROM don't want to understand the facts that Macedonia was/is and going to be Greek for ever *infinity.

Not because of me and you but because of the artifacts that scream out their Greekness

[Cryptomyself]

@PrEppYNYCBoi Yugoslavia country is no more, the name was only your suggestion for renaming FYROM and I don't think it will happen like this. Besides, as "shockolanu" said, many people in FYROM are of Greek descent, but they were oppressed and slavicised during the communist regime of the former federal Yugoslavia they were part of. So, maybe, they would stand up for a re-hellenization without being obliged to. In the mean time, the name issue must be resolved.

[Arhs77]

Yougoyougoyougoslavians that is what they are 

[kostasdania]

to start with u can say FYROM!!!

your geography knowledge is not good eather...

as of your suggestion of yougoslavia how are u going to fit the unite word? albanians are no slavs no avars eather to me the best name would be dardania or paionia if we look to the antique era of the area

by the way..the flag behind u is danish?

[Cryptomyself]

@kostasdania He clearly said in the video that it is the Dominican flag.

[shockolanu]

If you don't understand, keep it to yourself.

The opinion is taken into consideration, but really, we do not need foreigners to decide for us.

Vardar Paeonia belongs to Greece, the people there were forcefully Slavonised during the Yugoslav occupation.

Bitola (Heraklea) was built by the father of Alexander the Great.

[Cryptomyself]

@shockolanu You are right, but the boy said himself that he is not a historian and he just expressed his own opinion on the name issue. He managed to find out by himself, studying old maps and who knows what other materials he found on the Internet, the truth about where the real Macedonia is and that it belongs to Greece. For as much history as he knows, this boy did much more than others did, who call themselves "professors", that's being sincere in his thoughts and spoken out words.

[shockolanu]

@Cryptomyself

He's merely half right.

He does not mention the period of forced Slavonisation during the communist Yugoslavia, nor does he know about the history books burned by Soviets at the end of WW2.

Half truths and the "opinion" of the "international community" have brought us here today...

[shockolanu]

@Cryptomyself

He is not well acquainted with the problem. His opinion is appreciated and to some extent correct.

None the less, maybe he can express his opinion on who are the genuine Americans... he is closer to that issue, geographically speaking...

[Cryptomyself]

@shockolanu Well, I think the real you finds itself in the second sentence of your comment I'm replying, but I know you don't give up, so better do what I suggested, if you find the proper answer or request from the boy. Now, concerning the name issue and realistically speaking, at some point there has to be reached a midway agreement. His proposal was maybe as he said, a little bit hilarious, but there are other serious options, that must consider the will of both people in Greece and the FYROM

[shockolanu]

@Cryptomyself

His opinion is appreciated by me for what it is: the opinion of a foreigner. I consider the opinions of foreigners did more harm than good.

When the Ottoman Empire fell, Fyrom, like many other countries of the region, was part of Rumelia: Land of Rumanians (Late Antiquity and Medieval name of Greeks).

Should we deny a young cousin (FYROM), just because he was abused by a bully (Yugoslavia)?

[Cryptomyself]

@shockolanu No, I don't think we should deny anybody as much as he himself doesn't deny us. Everybody is welcomed in the great family of Hellenism, but those who clearly reject it, be it even because of Slavic brainwashing, can't be obliged in any way to accept it. They can and must be told the truth about their ancestry, but still, they can choose what to consider about themsleves they are. of course, they can't choose "Macedonian" without being Hellenic.

[shockolanu]

@Cryptomyself

"They can and must be told the truth about their ancestry..."

I agree, their history must be rebuilt.

[Cryptomyself]

@shockolanu Well, I don't necessary want to contradict you, but their history is already built and known by those who sincerely and scientifically analyzed the facts. History can't be changed! If there are also others who have another opinion than that of the overwhelming part of the academic world, they must be commercially or politically motivated. However, the name issue is not just science, but also politics and especially in this field must be found a mutually acceptable solution for it.

[PrEppYNYCBoi]

@shockolanu History can not be rebuilt.

[shockolanu]

@PrEppYNYCBoi Says who?

History of FYROM can be rebuilt. Their history books were destroyed and they have been fed lies. None the less, other countries have that oppressed information.

I believe that what you wanted to say is: "History can't be rewritten." and is true

[shockolanu]

@Cryptomyself

Nothing is impossible for he who tries. - Alexander III, King of Macedon, Hegemon of the Hellenic League.

[Cryptomyself]

@shockolanu Yet, even the one whose name you mentioned didn't reach to the end of the world. At some point he stopped his journey or, better said, Someone from above did it for him. This means that we must try, maybe harder, and, as I know, Greece tries it, by teaching the Greek language in FYROM, in order to achieve something like what you suggested, but, in the mean time, if it opposes resistance, it can't force the developing of events, just protect itself (a new name for FYROM).

[shockolanu]

@Cryptomyself

I believe you confound Alexander with an explorer or something.

He set out to conquer Persia, not to reach the "end of the world".

He finished what he tried to do.

[Cryptomyself]

@shockolanu If you will search the Wikipedia page for Alexander the Great, you will see that his desire was greater then conquering Persia, but to go even further. I think you already knew that and your comment was because of your great love for his personality and Hellenism. We have to admit that not everything is possible, even if our desires are noble. FYROM cannot be obliged to renounce to its current Slavic character, but it must accept a negotiated name with Greece.

[shockolanu]

@Cryptomyself

He never spoke of reaching the end of the world. Nor having another goal than punishing Persia for destroying Athens.

Alexander wanted to make his trip home through the Indian Ocean, that's all.

[Cryptomyself]

@shockolanu OK. Let's go back to the issue. What you propose and I don't say that's not a good idea, can come after the settling of the name dispute. If Greece will wait too much for this to be done, it might lose everything and cause an irreversible negative outcome. Don't forget this is not only science and history involved, but politics, too, and Greece is no more in its hegemony, although forever fresh, old and young at the same time, inspiring for those with noble hearts.

[shockolanu]

@Cryptomyself

The name cannot be chosen as long as historical names and facts are not known by the other side.

[TheMegaArtist]

@shockolanu And then the moldavian vlah came to tell the people their own history..! xD

Just keep on spraying your propaganda..I bet bitches like this punk are easy fish for your harpoon.. xD

[shockolanu]

@TheMegaArtist

Vlaho-Macedonian descending from the real Macedonia. The Vlahs and the Hellenes are the oldest surviving populations in the Balkans. Not some fakers that only adopted the language.

And by the way, pussy propagandist. The Macedonian Dynasty of the Byzantine Empire was of Vlahic origins. Even more important, the Vlahs were related to the Comemnos Dynasty too. (confirmed by Anna Comemna and other historians that lived in those times)

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[TheMegaArtist]

@shockolanu You are vlah,you cannot be Makedonets..Shut the fuck up..

[shockolanu]

@TheMegaArtist

I am Vlah and my families came from Veria and Vergina the heart of Macedon, a stick throw away from Pella.

The Vlahic populations have emerged from the Macedonians whom have learned Latin.The Vlahs have kept their culture and language intact during the Barbarian invasions of Germans, Huns, Sklaveni and Bulgars by retreating to the forests and mountains.

By the way, Toshe Proeski was Vlah too.

Whatever I am, I'm sure you are not like me.

[TheMegaArtist]

@shockolanu Bullshit.



[shockolanu]

@TheMegaArtist

Inconvenient truths are bullshit for you...

[TheMegaArtist]

@shockolanu Vlahs(in this part "Machedoni").You may be whatever you want,Vlahs(Machedoni) here have red and yellow flags with the sun of Kutlesh and the lion.Recognizable on the vlah weddings,"bairaks" which are with pure Machedoni symbolism.You on the other side,are a servant of the filthy hellenes,and the still alive metaxas propaganda and regime.I grew up with vlah familes,i can tell that they love Macedonia and Macedons,and hate the filthy hellene.So what you write is bullshit..

[shockolanu]

@TheMegaArtist

Growing up with Makedones next to you doesn't make you one. I spoke with many of my kin, from your country and they support the idea that Macedonians are Hellenic and geographically speaking Macedonia is in Greece.

If I'm not mistaking bairaks is an Albanian word to name tribes. In it's origins, it is a Slavic word. We have families, not bairaks or whatever you babble there about.

Oh, and we don't use the Bulgarian lion. The Hellenic Sun symbol represents us.

[TheMegaArtist]

@shockolanu You are retarded..

[shockolanu]

@TheMegaArtist

You are missing arguments so you chose to insult me.

Insulting me will not change the truth. Pretending not to see that truth will only make a fool out of you...

[TheMegaArtist]

@shockolanu You consider retarded as an insult?I tought you would take it as a compliment...I was just beeing polite you know....

[shockolanu]

@TheMegaArtist

Don't worry about your insult... you don't have to lie and say you were polite.

I will not come to punish you... we don't beat small kids like fyrom. We teach them.

So I might just come one day to Skopje with a couple of historian, ethnographer and linguist friends, to settle things once and for always. Maybe if the scholars speak it there, to your face, you will understand the truth about who you are and where you come from.

Is not nice to deny your origins!

[TheMegaArtist]

@shockolanu Hahaha.. xD Oh you dumb moldovian vlah...There is no need for you to come in Skopje..There is a need for you to go in Kozani(Aegan),and ask your (modern "greek" tutored) "historians" that you carry with yourself,what they gonna say..But just between you and them,because truth can be fatal for your turkic state,also known as gaylada..Now shush you mumblin stutterin little fuck..I am trying to study exams..

[TheMegaArtist]

@TheMegaArtist And don't answer here..I don't want to give views and importance to this pukeorican woman..

[shockolanu]

@TheMegaArtist

Actually, on my mother's side we do come from Moldova region and we descend from Costobocs (a population and culture much older than the Sklavenoi).

Oh, I will not bring Greek historians. I will bring Romanian historians, specialized in late antiquity, dark ages and early medieval times. Funny you mentioned Kozani, that's where my ex-gf father came from. He said you're gypsies. I don't share his radical views, even if you are now trying to convince me he is right.

[TheMegaArtist]

@shockolanu hahahhahaha,so you are a moldovan vlah gipsy..Hahahahahahaha..costobo­cs,sklavinias(administrative units),hahaha yea yea...mix it up nicely,wrap it too,put a christmas tie,make it look like a present for the dumb foreigners.. xD hahahaha

Oh,yes you will..Oh yes you will..Because that is the core of the modern "greek" propaganda..It's funny how you googled your propaganda blogspots when i mentioned Kozani..xDD

[shockolanu]

@TheMegaArtist

Your envy is obvious in your first comment. I'm more than you'll ever be. I'm Vlaho-Macedonian, descending from the ancient Makedones. You are a Serbo-Albano-Bulgar that thinks he can re-invent Hellenism and Hellenic heroes to be Sklaveni (Slaves of Bulgars). You are pathetic, for all your existence you have been the Slaves of other people:

1. Illyrians

2. Romans

3. Bulgarians

4. Ottomans

5. Serbs

6. NWO

[TheMegaArtist]

@shockolanu So,from you're mother side you are moldovan..From your father side,you are vlah gipsy..So how the fuck can you be Macedon? xD

I think that modern "greeks",hate you too..You know,they don't accept foreigners in their faggetry society..They are so HOMOgenius..And so pure "greeks"...hahahaha xDDDD

I mean common,there are like 98 from 100% pure greeks in greece...hahaha xDD

Stop putting shame to my brother vlahs,that is the only favour i ask from you.

[shockolanu]

@TheMegaArtist

Yes, from my mother's side I am Romanian from Moldavia, related to an ancient population of Thracian origins - Costoboc Dacians.

From my father's side I'm Sarakatsane and Vlaho-Macedonian (something you can never be). My grandma was born in Vergina... you know... where my ancestors are burried, not from Bitola where my ancestors' feces would drain from Pella.

98% Greeks. I advise you to look to the cultural branches. We are not minority in Greece, we are all Elines

[TheMegaArtist]

@shockolanu Why don't you just say that you are a modern mixed piece of shit?Why do you have to connect your ass to highly respected families and people from the ancient times,when you and i,and everybody knows that that shit is pure BULLSHIT lies that you make up for you soft piece of "reputation"?

Romovlagipser-

Romanian

Moldavian

Vlah

Gipsy

Servant

That is your new name..Now it is time for I The Young Makedon to find new names for you..

[shockolanu]

@TheMegaArtist

Mate, I can be Chinese. I'd still know that you're a faker that tries to steal other people's history. But since my father's parents originated from the REAL Makedonia, this gets personal.

Oh, I make the connection between Vlahs and Medieval Hellenes without a problem. My grandma's name is of noble origins and each Greek to whom I tell the name shows the respect needed.

My grandma was born in Vergina, the place where Kings of Macedon are burried, not in Skopje.

[shockolanu]

@TheMegaArtist

I'd rather call you The Young Turk.

How can you find one or more names for me, when you fuckers can't even find a name for yourselves??? EH?

No my dear Albano-Sklaveno-Vardaro-Bulgar­, now is time for you to go to sleep, it's past your bedtime.

Oh, and don't bother dreaming about greatness, you are the descendant of slaves and that's what you'll always remain. You can't be Macedonians, you are slaves whom appeared in 1991.

You will be slaves again soon enough.

[PrEppYNYCBoi]

@shockolanu what are you?

[shockolanu]

@PrEppYNYCBoi

I am a guy that knows history and descends from the region of Macedonia on his father's side (Veria and Vergina).

[Cryptomyself]

@shockolanu Let's say that the hard words you used in your exchange of comments with "TheMegaArtist" are somehow justifiable since he has used even harder words, actually real rude words before you to reply. But I can't understand why don't you open yourself with that great heart of a Valch you have and explain to the boy here, the one who uploaded this video, much more concretely what he asked you? With the short answer you gave him, you almost surely left him confused. He's nice.

[Cryptomyself]

So, maybe, if you didn't got the idea yet and you didn't already do it, you should send him a private message to explain him how comes that while you always mention the you are a "Vlach", still your ethnicity from the side of your father is Greek, which means that you are a GREEK. I know that you explained this in separate comments even below, but for him and others it could be harder to put the pieces together. The boy here is our ethnic relative and a friendly person as you are.

[shockolanu]

@TheMegaArtist

We are not your brothers and we will never be. Just because some of us live in your country that doesn't make you us. Oppressing your "brother" doesn't sound so brotherly of you.

Oh, and I'm never going to put shame on them, but I can tell you for sure that Manaki brothers do not belong to you. They are Vlahs too and if you already called us gypsies... I can tell for sure you're just a thief from Poland that thinks he can butt in the Balkans.

Go back to Poland!

[TheMegaArtist]

@shockolanu Vlahs are most definetly my brothers,i could never insult my brothers..You are half gipsy,i was just speaking for you as an individua..Vlahs are nothing much diffrent then me..I said it before,but who reads.. -.-

Oh you are so putting shame on them vlahs..As for Manaki,they belong to the world,they made revolutions,like alot of people from Macedonia..

Ok,im going back to "mother" Poland now... xD bbbhhahahahahaha...

[shockolanu]

@TheMegaArtist

I know for sure that we, the Vlaho-Macedonians consider you to be gypsies. Especially for trying to steal the Manaki brothers.

Making assumptions was never your strong side.

As a a Vlah, I tell you that we're nothing alike. You're a dumb beggar whom just begs for a name, a culture and a history. Vlahs are people whom already have an identity.

No my dear Serbo-Albano-Bulgar. Manaki brothers belong to the Hellenes called Vlahs (Graeco-Romans).

[shockolanu]

Countries using Dinar currency: Algeria Algerian dinar DZD Bahrain Bahraini dinar BHD Iraq Iraqi dinar IQD Jordan Jordanian dinar JOD Kuwait Kuwaiti dinar KWD Libya Libyan dinar LYD Macedonia Macedonian denar MKD Malaysia Kelantanese dinar MYD Serbia Serbian dinar RSD Tunisia Tunisian dinar TND

As far as I see, there are only Islamist countries, except Serbia (Yugoslavs). HAHAHAHA

Pathetic people with no name, no history, no culture and no nation!!!

[TheMegaArtist]

@shockolanu What the fuck is this?I mean seriously?WHAT THE FUCK?hahahahahahahahhaha,is this your freshest document for something? xDDD Hahahahahahahahahaha!!!!

Do i need to school you about the "Denaro" currency?You are so,oh so so so retarded..

[shockolanu]

@TheMegaArtist

Yeah Serbo-Albano-Bulgar, freshest document released... You and your Islamist brothers are using the Denar.

You think you can school me about anything? Do not confound your Islamist Denar with the Roman Denarius.

Oh, and ancient Macedon used Drachmas, just like the rest of Greeks, not the Denarius like the Romans.

[TheMegaArtist]

@shockolanu Also,shall we mention the Egzodus?Not only Makedons were killed and chased away from they lands,but Vlah(Machedoni) too..Machedoni are my brothers and i see no diffrence.They look like us,they music is like ours,they clothing is like ours..You are servant of the metaxas regime and propaganda.Servant of the filthy stolen myths..Servant of the modern turkish "greeks"..(Read population exchange).

[shockolanu]

@TheMegaArtist

Egzodus? I think you try to speak Albanian with me.

Yes, I know very well what happened with my people. Should I forfeit the pride of being a Hellene in favor of what? Of some Slavs whom decided to steal our name??? Slim chances.

Whatever happened in the past, for me stays in the past. I will never blame Greece, Greeks or Hellenism for what the German Monarchy of Greece did wrong.

I know about the population exchange. Those people are Hellenes too!

[TheMegaArtist]

@shockolanu See this cryptomyself?He is mocking you in a very democratic way..But you are too stupid to see it..Either you are assimilated,or you're just one hell of a fucked up mind..

[shockolanu]

@TheMegaArtist

Cryptomyself has the right to his own thoughts and opinions, just like any other free man. I have my own discussions with him and even if we see things from different perspectives, we are not afraid to discuss subjects.

You, on the other hand, you're not a free man. You are a slave to the Titoistic propaganda that turned 33% Islamist and 25% Albanian population of your country, into Macedonians

My grandpa told me we are Hellenes. I trust him more than I trust Tito

[Cryptomyself]

@shockolanu And the final word is that you are a HELLENE (Greek), as you said before, besides the other side of you that may come from Romania (as it is written in your channel's profile info).

[Cryptomyself]

@shockolanu I told you that you are right. But why do you expect from an ordinary boy from the States to know the history you know? He didn't pretend he was speaking in the name of the "international community". He just expressed his own opinion, which is more close to the truth than the opinions of many other "intellectuals". Maybe your job could be to teach this boy, if he would show himself interested, the history of the PEOPLE in the Macedonia region. He seems nice and friendly to me.

[Cryptomyself]

P.S.: You said you don't want comments in Greek. Well, here you have them: Σ'ευχαριστουμε γι'αυτο το βιδεακι. Να'σαι καλα! (S'efcharistoume y'afto to videaki. Na'se kala!), which means "We thank you for this video. Be well!". At least you learned something in this beautiful language and that's without using Google Translate!

[Arhs77]

@Cryptomyself Βιντεακι ντ= d



[Cryptomyself]

@Arhs77 You are right, mea culpa! But, as you probably know, I was not born in Greece, neither I live there and I admit I'm speaking the language only at a basic level. Αλλα τοσο την αγαπω!

[Cryptomyself]

@Arhs77 Το ηξερα, αλλα εκανα λαθος. Σιγνομι!

[Arhs77]

@Cryptomyself Im not angry at you, just want to remind you, I am also born outside of Greece and I too need to work on my greek gramar.

[Cryptomyself]

Ha, ha, ha. Your video is so funny, but in the mean time so real! You are right! The most fitted name for nowadays FYROM would be Yugoslavia. However, I don't think your proposal for the name will really be taken into consideration at an official level.