That hairdresser drove me bananas at 3:53 putting all that product on that clients hair dircetly out of the bottle!!! OMG. That is a no-no! She is gonna have super flat hair with no body!
Shaming potential black consumers into supporting businesses and aesthetics they don't want/like for whatever reason is just a race based sense of entitlement. Black consumer dollars have as much value as anyone else's so why is there no innovation or competition on the part of black industry types to capture them? Blacks don't owe black businesses anything if their not willing to compete for their money in the market place.
@microsoftgamestudio1 good question. The "hatred" you speak of is created. When mainstream white society repeatedly tell you that NOTHING about who you are is beautiful, self hatred is the result. This isn't just a "black" phenomenon. There are asians that are getting plastic surgery to have more "european" eyes. We have "white" people getting spray on tans and plastic surgery to give them curves and color that they weren't born with.
If black people do not support black businesses they will always be under other people's hand, these asian have no customer care skills, they treat black people like animals and black people are giving their hard owned money for others to build their community.
I don't understand how you can blame Koreans because they are taking over the hair industry? They just jumped on board something that is extremely profitable, they were being smart and you blame them because they dominate the industry and not the black community? And then the black community promotes going to only black owned beauty and hair supply stores and buying from only black owned products? Im sorry but is this really about the empowerment of the black community or money?
The Black community needs to embrace education/higher education much much more than now. Right now it's actually hip for our youth to lack education and that's devastating. Plus there's a lack of discipline because of so many kids with only one parent. Until we get our Shite together, others will race in front of us and take the opportunities we're passing up.
I dont blame the Koreans or any other race for making money. When I was relaxed I walked into a Korean store. The Koreans did not force their product on me. The truth is I was looking for a cheap price and I did HATE my hair. I really thought it made me ugly. How could I have felt anything else. I have heard since I was a child that my hair is ugly and nappy. I am natural now and I love it. I will never go back!!!
yall need to understand that they cant just stop buying the wigs because its all about being insecure they by those wigs and straighten their hair because they feel their more accepted if they do that.
I BET IF IT WAS THE OPPOSITE, (WHITE, INDIAN, ASIAN, LATIN PPL HAD AFRO-TEXTURED HAIR,AND WE HADD STRAIGHT HAIR) THAT WE'D TRY 2 GET OUR HAIR THAT WAYYY TOOOO.........
@patlenora9 A long history of being slaves, the more white you looked the better chance you have of living longer. Even though slavery is over ideas don't go ~puff~ over night. And we all know parents plant those same ideas in their kids and so on.
Oh...man this doesn't look good because we have NO UNITY. I think they should sue them it will help bring awareness because here in America, you can't not sell to a certain group.
General and growing consensus: Black women are finding less of a reason to give services to Korean or Asian-Owned supply stores because their "gargantuan" amounts of products are inferior to our natural hair needs---even relaxed hair needs. We're hitting up the internet, organic, health food, Amazon, Targets, Walmarts, Sally's, specialty and Walgreens for healthy hair products. Unless it's wigs (for hair protection) or hair accesories. I see no need. Even Target gets it!
We are a global & eco-friendly world---Korean-owned beauty supply stores have a lot to offer, but don't meet my eco-friendly, natural, organic, and even global hair needs. I find myself going to Caribbean, Indian, or African shops. I find myself raiding healthfood and organic areas of my local grocery mart. Walmart & Target have caught on to this ever-changing niche! Youtube is full of them. I haven't shopped as a K-BSS in ages---and don't think I will have a need.
Since I am transitioning natural, I have no need to shop at all at Asian-owned beauty supply store, which carry inferior products for natural and relaxed hair. I get better deals at GNC, Target, Walmart, Amazon, Sally's, Health Food Store and Natural Salons
Since I am transitioning natural, I have no need to shop at all at Asian-owned beauty supply store, which carry inferior products for natural and relaxed hair. I get better deals at GNC, Target, Walmart, Amazon, Sally's, Health Food Store and Natural Salons.
I give u guys 1 reason why blacks dont support black business. I went to an African shop in the UK to buy some stuff.the products had no prices on them (i dont knw why) An african customer asked hw much a product was in his african language. The store owner replied to him in their language and told him the price & added "wait till this customer lives before u pay". She sold the product cheaper to this african customer, but more expensive for me,even though i m black.so colour dont count.bliv me
@damsel2 If that African stored can get me a discount on unrefined shea and fresh black soap---forget the tags! LOL Tell the Indian shop owners to get me some cheap Amla & Brahmi powder & coconut oil too!
I'm quite surprised and impressed that BOBSA was created so soon after that meeting...usually people just come together and talk and nothing really happens after that...
Check how the lady at 7:05 said that she got her hair from Dallas from a Korean hair shop but then turns around and says that she's all for supporting Black owned hair shops. This is what's wrong with our ppl! We SAY how much we are willing to support each other, however, what we DO is support other groups of ppl except for our own.
It's not personal, it's business. Bottom line is Koreans found a nitche, and got on that paper chase. Instead of being angry about Koreans owing the market, be upset at the US setting it up for that to happen. You can't hate on a person creating a business to make money off of a certain demand. Yet, instead of being upset at all....figure out a way to make the change you want to see happen.
@greenmean28 Do you remember how Microsoft got sued for its monopoly? I see similar tactics. I don't hate, but the more I've become educated on organic and natural products, I naturally don't have a need to ever shop at Korean hair stores. It's a growing trend.
@SparkMyWorld Yes, I do remember. The only true way to shut all of this down is for BW to talk with their money (don't purchase). This would require a revolution of epic proportion. If you want a business to listen to you, people + money = power. You speak of organic/natural products, but it will only be a matter of time before those products show up on the shelves as well. The supplier will follow the demand......watch and see.
@greenmean28 It's 5 years after that video was posted, and possibly 8 years ago, my natural friends (dreads) were using raw shea mixes then. Those products are not distributed in these BSS stores yet because their online and in Target, Walmart, Vitacost.com, GNC, Walgreens. They're not cheap, but they are a positive investments---no different from paying a scissor happy stylist who can't nurture your hair. The internet has made many of us become natural/organic consumers from our chairs.
@SparkMyWorld The natural hair product movement is still in it's infancy stages, but growing stronger by the day. The last time I was in a Korean BSS (which I don't frequent anymore), I remember seeing shea butter, cocunt oils, olive oils, etc. I'm sure the oils where not 100% pure, but the point is they're slowing catching on. My only issue with natural hair products are the price. I agree that it's a positive investment for your hair, but $20 - $30 for a few ounces of product is a bit much.
@greenmean28 People like me will never purchase processed unpure shea. And it's just not "natural hair," many women are transitioning, or using natural/organic products in their "stretched relaxed hair." If you purchase a small amount of unrefined shea from online, coconut oil and olive oil from a grocery store, you can create shea whipped mixes, which is much larger. I can take $20-30 and purchase all three products and make a whipped moisturizer, leave in, and hot oil treatment.
@SparkMyWorld I'm six months natural, and the changes are beyond measure!! I've learned to how to make homemade shea butter, or flax seed gel with essential oils. Being natural doesn't mean breaking the bank ;-) I've purchase from none black-owned companies as well (Giovanni is a fav of mine too). I read the ingredients list on the natural products I saw in the KBSS...yeah, they weren't all natural (oh the shock).
@SparkMyWorld In my layman's opinion, I think BW need to move away from synthetic hair. This is truly the KBSS bread and butter next to relaxers. Cut the head, and the body will fall. But like I said earlier, this will require a revolution of EPIC porportions. I'm proud to be the change I would like to see as a natural BW, but I face a lot of BW who are not willing to change (not that i'm trying to change them). Hopefully one day, all women will learn to embrace their true beauty :-)
@greenmean28 Agreed. I never wore weave, besideS the 3 times I wore braids, but I'm allergic to synthetic hair. Can 20 million more women to get allergic to it!!!!! LOL I guess we'll have to use our healthy hair / real hair as a model for others to follow. I'm also a eco/greenie baby, so BW around me will either convert or leave. LOL Now, can Lauryn Hill come back to chop the horse's tail off Beyonce's head---forget the drag queens, she made the lace front popular with common folk.
@greenmean28 The eco and organic movement is compounding---so I wouldn't say it's in it's infancy. I said again, the money is going to spread around to different people, not just African-American, because I have purchased organic products from Giovanni or Yes To...which are not black-owned or black-targeted, but Kinky Curly and Shea Moisture do fit those groups. And did you say you saw olive oil in a Korean BSS? It's better be some petroleum mix, because I wouldn't believe it if I saw it!
@greenmean28 You are natural. It's slow, but you do see the changes. I spoke to several black women on Twitter who were dying to go natural, but didn't know where to start. They were confused. It's even being pushed by regional fashion magazines. I would like to see an economical way to spread the movement faster, but it can be achieved. The amount of money black women spend on stylists; the products can replaced. I had no budget but transitioned because I was informed & slowly replaced.
@SparkMyWorld Essence posted an article on black salons closing because black women are getting perms less (stretching them), going natural, or wearing wigs as a protection method to encourage hair growth by low manipulation. With the exception of wigs, I see no use---and the internet has Indian hair, which isn't supplied in those stores. The money is going elsewhere, it's just out word of mouth has to get louder and spread more! Doing that! I have long, healthy hair that will be ALL natural.
@emaresea I don't think that will solve any problems because black women are still going to use hair color, gels, pomades, shampoos, conditioners, sprays, etc..even if we are natural, we still need products.The major companies have monopolized the business so that we will still have to spend our beauty dollars with them at the end of the day. We have a long way to go, and wearing our own hair is a small part of the issue... Afro-A weave distribution companies are on a steady rise today
can one go to korea or china & bring back these "banned" hair? it wounldt be considered exporting if bought with in they country or importing if brought back from a self made trip would it?
So, what are you doing about it? Not that I particularlly support the Euro-centralized styles for minorities like us, but... Blaming the Koreans or Asians in general just for doing what they need to survive in the US isn't doing anything. Stop spending on Euro-centralized beauty products...then use the extra dough to start a fucking business. We are the highest paying customer of cosmetics in the US today.
If Koreans are controlling 80% of the market, distribution, wholesale, and media then they're pretty much in control. Going against to Korean beauty industry is not smart thing to do coz they even competes with Japanese and European beauty industry. Korean beauty industry also dominates in SE Asia, China, Middle East and Africa + S.America too. Afro-American should be more innovative if they're going to survive Korean domination.
Koreans aren't laughing at me. I don't go into their beauty supply stores or their nail salons. The service is bad, the products are cheap and promote allergens and the money leaves the Black community. I went natural 2 years ago, and I haven't looked back. I use real African Black Soap for my skin and hair care, shea butter and olive oil. BUY BLACK.
@B3stMe TheAfroQween has a video about Afro Tips and Love. Check my girl out, she's been natural since 1998. There's nothing wrong with our hair, we need to learn how to care for it and wear it with pride. :)
I agree this is a problem but i dont agree to blam Koreans. This is a BUSINESS and stop complaining and do something about it. happy they did and get their monopoly back.
@keseytam Yeah but you're not supposed to get your monopoly throught state intervention, that's breaking free market principles and the Korean had no problems using state authority to monopolize the market.
@keseytam Yes, mistake is your biggest lesson. I hope Afro- American can take their industry back in their hands. However, you still be doing business with Koreans because Korean beauty care industry is huge, they even dominates their distribution to China, SE Asia, Middle East etc..
I'm confused. 40 years ago, it was Korean's hair - it was their raw material - why shouldn't they and their goverment want to profit from that? Again 40 years ago, why would the US want to support any Chinese communist business. I fail to understand how blacks cannot corner what seems like a pretty simple market. This is hair care, not the latest microchip. Obviously the mass of black women are voting with their wallets and the Koreans must be doing something right.
@marrerogecko Bullshit. Free markets are not supposed to have government involvement. When state-backed markets work AGAINST black prosperity, these issues need to be addressed.
how is it that blacks are going to own any supply stores when the koreans have brought up the major product lines we use, and then in turn (according to the video) refuse to sell our products to us to sell in order to create a monopoly. Apparently they have found loopholes that makes it impossible to sue them. So now what?
@shalom1948hellyeah. There is no racism in my statement. The complaint is that they refuse to sell to african americans. that is blatant discrimination and they are asking people to verify their ethnicity over the phone in order to make sure they are not wholesaling to african americans who want to open their own businesses is dead wrong.
First: Stop saying that "Black people don't stick together". That's absolute bullshit! We do stick together. I see it every day in the many non-profit collaboratives and churches in Washington DC.
Second: You can't compare the togetherness of ANY race with the togetherness of immigrants because they're always going to be more tightly knit because they need to stick together to survive in a new country.
My AA brothers and Sisters..........stop WHINING!!!! Start selling the Bling and stop "investing" in Nike shoes and NBA merchandise!!! Stop gloryfing so-called "gangsters" and drugdealers and start opening your OWN business!!!
Do we really wonder why other "races" think we are a stupid people!!!
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It shouldn't matter who or what race is owning or dominating an industry. I see where they're coming from tho with the discrimination tho, but then again, if a retail store doesn't want to buy your products, there isn't anything you can do about that.. Instead of boycotting and waiting on shops to open up I think they're better off starting up organizations to help and support black ppl to start up retail stores to help out the black manufacturers or make deals with the korean or other retailers
Black people need to stop using chemicals to alter their hair textures, forget the weaves and the hair pieces and learn to care for what grows naturally. That is the only way for these asian owned stores to disappear. Natural hair is beautiful - do your research - learn how to look after it - you wont regret it.
@93niania, Look honey when white women wear wigs the fake hair matches their natural hair texture they are born with already-We not born with have that type of texture (bone straight) naturally so it looks strange when we do it because the world knows our natural hair ain't straight.
FYI, white people with dreads isn't a strong point to bring up.
@youngmumma you are so correct , I am natural and dont spend a dime to do my hair. I make my own leave in conditioners, deep conditioners and flaxseed gels. And my hair is beautiful
The first big mistake in any situation. "Ppl complain, complaining dont change a thang." Stop complaining and do something, you say do what? Whatever you want, b/c obviously if u are complaining someone else is to, just like asking a question in class that everyone wants to know but the 1 daring person decided to ask. Quit preaching and complaining about whats wrong. What did you do to make it right. Please stop with the "what we shoud do is..." Shoulda coulda woulda
i apologize for the misunderstanding, i gave u a thumbs up. i was not ranting towards u i was in agreement. its obvious that you are not black, but i agreed with the lady at 3:11 about the unity part. ppl can call me uncle tom if they want, but until we come together like the asians then things wont change. you have to admit not every black was in agreement w/MLK. as far as your black ppl are slow, its wrong to categorize blacks as a whole. funny how white ppl call out..
the one's they consider "trailer park trash" and completely disown them. But in the black community its sad that one bad apple can spoil the whole bunch. Exactly how do you define slow? like i said i did agree w/u until the slow comment that i may have overlooked
lol since you were too SLOW ro catch on; a person who just doesn't get it!!!! something that goes over their head!!!! niggas been here over 400 years and still dont own businesses and still pour, still high school drop outs, still damn dumb and still damn SLOW to get with the program....everything the man sayas and do just goes right over our damn head. all slow ass niggas don't even bother to repy tpo be; just fuck off somewhere. get a life assholes.!!!
how enlightening, u obviously have other issues that i dont care to deal with right now. and from the looks of ur last comment, u just so happen to be one of "those" that complain and never change a thang!!
have a wonderful day and consider anger management. u seem to be a wee-bit bitter! glad i'm not u!
we did own businesses its only recently that that has changed due to institutional pressures sweety. Try to remember there is always more to a problem than whats on the surface. And its ironic how you complain ab us not doing anything on the video that demonstrates action. I took liberty to reply to this comment because I am not a "nigga" im not sure what that is and know I don't know any either. And what do you mean by "get a life"? You have spent the most time, discussing this via internet,
I dream of that day. i already started i dont even get my nails done .. it took me a YEAR to get the effects of that shitty acrylic off my nails. I now have natural beautiful nails. they dont look FAKE and stupid. we need to dump these ASian businesses and do better
i have watched the whole documentary. i find it weird that u have a whole community of blacks, from the hood to hollywood and noone has come together from the rich to the poor and invest in something that us as people will always have to the day we die, is hair. as the lady said the asians are dominating our product. i think it should be done to preserve our heritage. to not be addited to "creamy crack" as Chris Rock would say
By the way, this is not just a Black thing, this is an American problem. We are huge consumers in this country and we do NOT manufacture like we used to. We are suffering and will continue to do so, until we unify and stop allowing corporations to outsource manufacturing jobs, and depending on so much importation of goods that could be made just as easily right here. Those who think this is just a Black problem, need to think again.
I understand the whole free market argument, but I'm sorry, banning the import of Chinese wigs does not scream free market. Asking a potential customer / distributor if they are Black or Asian, has nothing to do with the free market. But the free market is good in that it does work both ways. Koreans have the right to band together to dominate the industry based on ethnicity and Blacks have an equal right to not buy from them based on the same thing.
Since when is there anything about the "free market" in the Constitution? What Constitution are you reading? And America engages in a good amount of protectionism itself, so "this is America" is an overly simplistic argument.
I do not really care about this argument one way or another, but if you are going to be condescending you should also be accurate.
I'm really, really, really, really, honestly, truly, genuinely, sorry that you cannot understand the majesty of the American Constitution, because you expect a "free market" clause somewhere in it. Before you respond to my comments, please make sure you know ALL of the fallacies of argumentation and debate, and read all your college books on political philosophy (cont'd next post).
For one who hates logical fallacies you sure use a lot of them.
I care about the form of your argument, not the substance. I never said the U.S. should engage in protectionism in regards to hair. You assume too much. In fact, I gave no indication about what I think about the hair care market at all. All I said was your argument that the U.S. should not engage in protectionism because it is a free market economy is flawed. Ignoring protectionism made your argument weak.
Comparing protectionism for "hair" then protectionism, say, for nuclear material or steel products is totally different.
The day you have a definition of "free-market" economy in the Constitution is the day you destroy the freedoms that we have. How do you define "freest of the free," anyway?
America may "engage in a good amount of protectionism" but imagine America having a protectionist attitude with the hair products industry? Are you serious?
Your comments thus far have only proven that you are either a lazy debater who expects their arguments to be self-proving or an ideologue who is not capable distinguishing between philosophy and fact. I say this not to insult, but only to suggest that someone who does not present sophisticated arguments really cannot afford to be so smug and condescending. If you had not been so supercilious in your comments, I would not have paid you a second thought.
Wow, free market economy is in the Constitution? That is news to me! Perhaps you could post a quote, because I surely do not recall ever reading that (non-sequitur and ad hominem arguments not withstanding). :-)
The mere fact that you DO NOT understand how free-market economies are tied with the Constitution is precisely the reason why you should study these philosophies before you can ask me how the free-market economy is in the Constitution.
Your obvious ignorance about democracy and capitalism is perhaps what makes you insist that the hair industry should be staunchly defended by races. Even MLK had a doctorate. Time for you to be a decision-maker, not a decision-follower.
With all due respect Sephbay, I never insisted that the hair industry be staunchly defended by races. Hair is hair and industry is industry. I stated that the Koreans have the right to conduct business how they want, and Blacks have the right to choose not to buy from them if they don't like it. And having written all that you did about what I don't understand, I still don't see that quote from the Constitution.
With all due respect, and all the love in the world, you are so ignorant you don't know how ignorant you are.
FYI, the reason why the Constitution does not have a "free-market" clause is because the Founding Fathers and the most framers of the Constitution did not, at the time, know about it. In short, they did not have that term. Today, we don't need to add it.
Like I said, GO TO college. It will help explain the Constitution for you. Thanks for affirming and confirming my arguments.
Sephbay, I don't think you even know what your arguments are. I have gone to college and read the Constitution in it's entirety, and there is nothing about or even in reference to free market economy (under that or any other term). You stated: "C'mon. Guys who think like this should really go to school to understand free market economies. This is America. Read the Constitution!!" All I asked is where you got that from. Clearly, you misspoke, because you have yet to answer. Thanks for the love.
The bottom line is, why would I give you a lesson in Constitution 101, when you obviously don't know principles of the fundamental law of the land.
You can pretend you went to college, but you still did not understand the Constitution. Where did I get it? Read the history of the USA, and the history of the Constitution. If you went to college, and read in-depth your books, you would understand. I know the histories, you don't. That's why you still don't get it!
what annoys me is I know at those beauty supply stores they probably don't pay the african american young ladies working there much. these girls are usually experts in weaves, braids and hair care.
I am speaking from knowing someone who worked for one and she had long hours and low pay. what i meant by probably is that I don't know the pay for all stores....hello!!!! thanks. so i can say something about it. Most retail stores especially independent ones rarely hire people outside family and if they do employees are differently not paid much to insure a higher profit. that does not suffice for their expertise
I agree with the stylist @ 3:14. We can reclaim the industry if we unify. We are so busy "going for ours" and blocking the progress of others, it can't happen. One's hairstyle is a personal choice and I do not feel one should have to "go natural" to prove anything. As the gentleman said @ 4:29, we HAD the monopoly, but WE lost it; therefore \WE must mobilize and form a strategy. The only thing the Koreans did was operate competitively in a free Market. That's capitalism in it's purist form.
I agree wholly with what the last lady said!! Money speaks! There has to be a way to redirect your money in other directions away from the Asian owned stores. I've been wearing my hair natural. It's also important for us to know how to take care of our hair and natural haircare, stuff you can get at the GROCERY store is wayyyyy better this products filled it petroleum!!!
funny thing is almost all synthetic hair is mad in korea/japan china and human hair comes from india.however alot of black hair producta are owned by blacks
Although going natural does not solve this huge problem, it is a first solution. We as Black women need to stop the vanity madness. We need to realize the high call we as Black Hebrew Israelites have in our own God and follow his law.
I have stop going to Korean owned beauty supply store when I was in High School. I go to a African owned one, but it is so sad because I barely ever see anyone in there.
We have been so busy assimilating into White culture wearing that horsehair. I don't blame the Koreans. If we are dumb enough to buy their crap they will continue to get rich. There is NO excuse for not having ANY Black beauty supply stores in a Black neighborhood! We are the only race of people that give shit away. Dollars need to stay in the community. Learn from the Mexicans. The keep money within their community.
@redbonegal I agree with you 100% of the way! its only black people that doesnt support other black ppl. When i met my husband (thats white btw) he had a club of how to get a better job. ppl would literally come in and give jobs away if you are in a lower position. i never seen that done with black ppl
@keseytam touch.totally agree.people need to understand this isn't about being racist(plenty of white friends,boyfriend and family)help others but you have to help your own first!lol!
@redbonegal Excuse me! Black Americans didn't integrate themselves. They were forced into integration, and it destroyed the core of our money staying within our community. The natural hair and organic hair movement is moving many people away from Korean-owned / Asian-owned supply stores because their products are inferior to natural hair.
the solution is high product quality at a competitive price. pure and simple. if the black community makes a better product at a good price then the product will be requested and bought. also boycotting the korean stores just because they arent black is rasicst
I'm natural..my hair has been natural since I was about in the 9th grade so for wow 11 years now and that was a personal decision for me. One thing that never makes sits well with me is when sisters who have decided to go natural start to feel that it's something we have to impose on every one else.. truth is people are going to ultimately lean towards what they're comfortable with, I agree with what someone said b4 about going natural doesn't solve the industry's problem,
That's a cowards solution. "Go Natural" and the Koreans still monopolize the beauty supply industry. You still might stop in a beauty supply to buy those cheap earrings, sunglasses and other junk. They sale more than weave and relaxers.
This is all about capitalism, money, and knowing how to get in the game. You can
"go natural" and still be a "broke joke" with no understanding about business.
Research.There will be a learning curve, but we should at least be proactive enough to spend the time to understand our own hair and its true need.Then try to find black companies.Stop buying all that WEAVE is the first thing. We are brainwashed that beauty=WEAVE/long hair and this isnt true. We damage our natural hair and then spend tons on artificial products and hair to create illusion.Take care of ourselves and grow mentally, physically and spiritually. Thats's real beauty and its cheaper.
Also, I've been thinking...its all business. Businesses are basically at war. I feel that it is unfair for business for to automatically expect a handout from Blacks because they are black owned. If you want to stay in business, you as a business have to a figure out how to out compete the Koreans. Whether its launching a mass marketing campaign about Korean discrimination or going straight to college campuses and selling your product there, etc...
This is HAIR SLAVERY plain and simple! Free yourself. Go NATURAL. Natural is healthy and beautiful. Eat right, put good things in your mind (God's word), exercise, and be proud of what God gave us. We are beautiful when we are healthy and know who we are! We can do it people. Resist the videos that reflect beauty as something that is unreal, unnatural. Women, know you are beautiful with your own hair despite the brainwashing of many of our men. You are the bomb in your natural state!
Im natural but I don't understand how going natural is the solution. If products geared toward natural hair were in demands, all Koreans would have to do is market more products for natural hair. How does that solve the problem?
it is not hair slavery. and going natural is not the answer. im not giving up relaxers anytime soon which is my choice just as you choose to be natural. some natural people still buy conditioners at the korean stores. i dont buy anything from there because i don't use the products they sell there. ill stick with my "white girl" products b/c they keep my hair healthy and strong but thats another topic
i am soooooooo upset with this exploitation, I am not American but i am African and i know if the koreans take the market in America they automatically take over the market in Africa...Really, the solution is going Natural!!!!!!!
I'm a natural sister, but I must say that Black Women are creative as HELL when it comes to our hair....now, if ONLY WE could be creative as all HELL in distribution, sales, and the overall management of the Black Hair Care Industry!
This is a damned shame, for real...
It's easy for me to say that I'm not part of the problem (I use all natural products from the grocery stores in my hood, some black owned!) but I can shamefully say that I'm not part of the solution, either :(
i just put that up on my facebook too. Ever since I went natural I can't remember the last time I've been to a beauty store. Most of my products are ordered online which are black business since they couldn't get their products in the Korean stores. They sell nothing but mineral, petroleum base products anyway which we all know doesn't promote growth.
I rarely go to beauty supply stores myself because the products there are of low quality. well out of curiosity I decided to check out new one that opened up in my neighborhood. the owners are Arab Americans and they sell natural hair products (well they only have Jane Carter Solution which I don't care for) along with black soap, dr bronner's etc. So i guess they are trying to sell to the natural hair crowd too.
It makes me glad I decided to go natural...The thing is I still need things like mosturizers and aloe vera and shampoo and conditioner. How do you know which companies are black owned and which are not?
What the South Koreans are doing is called business. It doesn't have to be fair. Black people can close these stores down in no time. S. Koreans admit that 99.9% of their business comes from blacks. If you lose 99.9% of your business you have to close. Black people are the stupidest on the market. We patronize these places and can't even get a job there. Koreans don't even like us, but they are business people and they put all of that aside to get our money. Wake up black people!!!
Do these people care at ALL about the QUALITY of products they are selling to THEIR PEOPLE. Why would they clamor and struggle to participate in a market that is selling crap to their women (and some men) who are spending their hard earned dollars on products that pull out, dry out, break off, and damage their hair? Why not use the meetings to talk about ordering products from quality producers and building a network of supply stores that offer 'better quality' to customers for the same price?
South Koreans have a manufacturing base, as well as the raw hair that is prized by blacks. Blacks don't manufacture anything. They can't get a "better quality" product at a cheap enough price so they can pass that savings on to the consumers. They have to pay whatever the Korean manufacturers ask, IF the Koreans even allow them to make a purchase . When blacks order products they are asked their race. If they are deemed to be black the don't get to place an order. See 4:54 to 6:25.
@ jada, By 'better quality' I mean products produced by black owned businesses for black people i.e. Oyin, Carol's Daughter, Qhemet, Jane Carter, Karen's Body Beautiful, not Korean owned products. I am also speaking about hair 'care' products not weaves, hotcombs, extensions and the like that black women feel they need to include in their hair maintenance. Black shops don't 'need' to purchase those products per the demand, but can collectively 'change' the demand by offering a new supply.
Black shops can't change the demand. Hair weaves and such are what women want. Weave hair and wigs are a HUGE money maker for Koreans (K). BW want to feel the wind blowing through their hair, even if their hair is not their own. As for the hair products you've named they are onl ya few. The problem black manufacturers are facing is that their products are being closely copied by K and placed in K stores in place of the originals. This is possible due to the K manufacturing base...
PART2- Look at PART ONE from 7:00 on. Any hair technology created by black manufacturers is copied and the black companies are slowly removed from the shelves and bad talked. As for black shops changing the demand, not gonna happen. 90% or MORE of black hair shops are owned by K. PUT BLACKS OUT OF BUSINESS IN THEIR OWN MARKET! This documentary tells us over and over that K domination f this business doesn't appear stoppable. The only thing that can change this is if stupid ass BP wake...
PART3- and realize that black har care is a multi million dollar business that at one time mostly blacks controlled. But even better, start taking care of and loving their own hair instead of feeling it has to be altered in order to be acceptable! BP have no economic unity. Every other group spends with itself, including K! If a store is black owned people avoid it, even other blacks!!! BP are accustomed to making other people rich and being disrespected while doing so. The K KNOW THIS!!!
"realize that black har care is a multi million dollar business that at one time mostly blacks controlled."
Blacks never controlled the retail side of BBS. Before K began catering to the black community, the locally owned drug stores in the black neigborhoods were in control of the retail. This is where K took most of their business from. And please don't blame BP for not supporting BObusinesses. It is not the customers fault, but it is the business owners.
the fucked up part about this is that koreans, arabs etc wont even give us a job in our own community in which they take money out of,but yet and stiill we still choose to patronize these people. that shit is so crazy! i wish blacks would wake the fuck up and take back our communities
Notice that these stores don't sell any products for Caucasian hair, only Black hair vs. a Sally beauty supply store for example. What does that tell us? It is only about the mighty dollar. Caucasian women don't spend all their money on this stuff. That is why these Korean stores don't sell it cuz they won't make any money. Many black people will spend hundreds maybe even thousands of dollars on products and fake hair.
It's beyond that. Yes, African American's are the biggest consumers, but why would a white person have to go to a "special" store to get products for their hair, when most products were created for their hair. First of all, our hair is very different, and it does need a lot of care. A white person could go to Shells gas station and find a product for them, but we can't, we have to hunt or order online for the good stuff. Topics about us are very complicated; one quick answer will never suffice.
@ hellokittyc2003 Exactly, but the 'special' products they purchase are just as ill fitting for their hair as a bottle of Suave from the gas station. The truth is that we believe we need 'different' products and have to patronize these little out of the way shops, but they sell things that will be no better for our hair than 'white people' hair products. The good stuff IS online like you say, and THAT's what they should b
buy black. keep the movie rotating in our community!
MissJeriB 1 day ago
That hairdresser drove me bananas at 3:53 putting all that product on that clients hair dircetly out of the bottle!!! OMG. That is a no-no! She is gonna have super flat hair with no body!
gravyfaifai 1 week ago
Shaming potential black consumers into supporting businesses and aesthetics they don't want/like for whatever reason is just a race based sense of entitlement. Black consumer dollars have as much value as anyone else's so why is there no innovation or competition on the part of black industry types to capture them? Blacks don't owe black businesses anything if their not willing to compete for their money in the market place.
BeaSiegal 3 weeks ago
@microsoftgamestudio1 good question. The "hatred" you speak of is created. When mainstream white society repeatedly tell you that NOTHING about who you are is beautiful, self hatred is the result. This isn't just a "black" phenomenon. There are asians that are getting plastic surgery to have more "european" eyes. We have "white" people getting spray on tans and plastic surgery to give them curves and color that they weren't born with.
jalamphillips 4 months ago
i really dont get these people why do they hate themselves so much?
MICROSOFTGAMESTUDIO1 4 months ago
If black people do not support black businesses they will always be under other people's hand, these asian have no customer care skills, they treat black people like animals and black people are giving their hard owned money for others to build their community.
YEELKEED 5 months ago
I don't understand how you can blame Koreans because they are taking over the hair industry? They just jumped on board something that is extremely profitable, they were being smart and you blame them because they dominate the industry and not the black community? And then the black community promotes going to only black owned beauty and hair supply stores and buying from only black owned products? Im sorry but is this really about the empowerment of the black community or money?
Cheyenne1889 5 months ago
The Black community needs to embrace education/higher education much much more than now. Right now it's actually hip for our youth to lack education and that's devastating. Plus there's a lack of discipline because of so many kids with only one parent. Until we get our Shite together, others will race in front of us and take the opportunities we're passing up.
CheezInspector 5 months ago
I dont blame the Koreans or any other race for making money. When I was relaxed I walked into a Korean store. The Koreans did not force their product on me. The truth is I was looking for a cheap price and I did HATE my hair. I really thought it made me ugly. How could I have felt anything else. I have heard since I was a child that my hair is ugly and nappy. I am natural now and I love it. I will never go back!!!
Goddessofmydestiny 6 months ago
yall need to understand that they cant just stop buying the wigs because its all about being insecure they by those wigs and straighten their hair because they feel their more accepted if they do that.
yasmin8765 9 months ago
I BET IF IT WAS THE OPPOSITE, (WHITE, INDIAN, ASIAN, LATIN PPL HAD AFRO-TEXTURED HAIR,AND WE HADD STRAIGHT HAIR) THAT WE'D TRY 2 GET OUR HAIR THAT WAYYY TOOOO.........
#JUST SAYN
patlenora9 9 months ago
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patlenora9 9 months ago
@patlenora9 A long history of being slaves, the more white you looked the better chance you have of living longer. Even though slavery is over ideas don't go ~puff~ over night. And we all know parents plant those same ideas in their kids and so on.
kyokun21 9 months ago
8:08 Sounds just like Monique
cbrstunter24 10 months ago
Oh...man this doesn't look good because we have NO UNITY. I think they should sue them it will help bring awareness because here in America, you can't not sell to a certain group.
IceSparrow44 10 months ago
The black women needs to return to the afro
gotthemgoing 11 months ago
General and growing consensus: Black women are finding less of a reason to give services to Korean or Asian-Owned supply stores because their "gargantuan" amounts of products are inferior to our natural hair needs---even relaxed hair needs. We're hitting up the internet, organic, health food, Amazon, Targets, Walmarts, Sally's, specialty and Walgreens for healthy hair products. Unless it's wigs (for hair protection) or hair accesories. I see no need. Even Target gets it!
SparkMyWorld 11 months ago
We are a global & eco-friendly world---Korean-owned beauty supply stores have a lot to offer, but don't meet my eco-friendly, natural, organic, and even global hair needs. I find myself going to Caribbean, Indian, or African shops. I find myself raiding healthfood and organic areas of my local grocery mart. Walmart & Target have caught on to this ever-changing niche! Youtube is full of them. I haven't shopped as a K-BSS in ages---and don't think I will have a need.
SparkMyWorld 11 months ago
Since I am transitioning natural, I have no need to shop at all at Asian-owned beauty supply store, which carry inferior products for natural and relaxed hair. I get better deals at GNC, Target, Walmart, Amazon, Sally's, Health Food Store and Natural Salons
SparkMyWorld 11 months ago
Since I am transitioning natural, I have no need to shop at all at Asian-owned beauty supply store, which carry inferior products for natural and relaxed hair. I get better deals at GNC, Target, Walmart, Amazon, Sally's, Health Food Store and Natural Salons.
SparkMyWorld 11 months ago
I give u guys 1 reason why blacks dont support black business. I went to an African shop in the UK to buy some stuff.the products had no prices on them (i dont knw why) An african customer asked hw much a product was in his african language. The store owner replied to him in their language and told him the price & added "wait till this customer lives before u pay". She sold the product cheaper to this african customer, but more expensive for me,even though i m black.so colour dont count.bliv me
damsel2 1 year ago
@damsel2 If that African stored can get me a discount on unrefined shea and fresh black soap---forget the tags! LOL Tell the Indian shop owners to get me some cheap Amla & Brahmi powder & coconut oil too!
SparkMyWorld 11 months ago
I'm quite surprised and impressed that BOBSA was created so soon after that meeting...usually people just come together and talk and nothing really happens after that...
missffreedom2000 1 year ago
stop dressing to impress men and women. dress for yourself. and the black hair industry needs free markets not restricting competition unfairly.
wade2bosh 1 year ago
Check how the lady at 7:05 said that she got her hair from Dallas from a Korean hair shop but then turns around and says that she's all for supporting Black owned hair shops. This is what's wrong with our ppl! We SAY how much we are willing to support each other, however, what we DO is support other groups of ppl except for our own.
mooncooninc83 1 year ago
@mooncooninc83
she said there aren't any blk owned shops there
ebonyrose316266 1 year ago
It's not personal, it's business. Bottom line is Koreans found a nitche, and got on that paper chase. Instead of being angry about Koreans owing the market, be upset at the US setting it up for that to happen. You can't hate on a person creating a business to make money off of a certain demand. Yet, instead of being upset at all....figure out a way to make the change you want to see happen.
greenmean28 1 year ago
@greenmean28 Do you remember how Microsoft got sued for its monopoly? I see similar tactics. I don't hate, but the more I've become educated on organic and natural products, I naturally don't have a need to ever shop at Korean hair stores. It's a growing trend.
SparkMyWorld 11 months ago
@SparkMyWorld Yes, I do remember. The only true way to shut all of this down is for BW to talk with their money (don't purchase). This would require a revolution of epic proportion. If you want a business to listen to you, people + money = power. You speak of organic/natural products, but it will only be a matter of time before those products show up on the shelves as well. The supplier will follow the demand......watch and see.
greenmean28 11 months ago
@greenmean28 It's 5 years after that video was posted, and possibly 8 years ago, my natural friends (dreads) were using raw shea mixes then. Those products are not distributed in these BSS stores yet because their online and in Target, Walmart, Vitacost.com, GNC, Walgreens. They're not cheap, but they are a positive investments---no different from paying a scissor happy stylist who can't nurture your hair. The internet has made many of us become natural/organic consumers from our chairs.
SparkMyWorld 11 months ago
@SparkMyWorld The natural hair product movement is still in it's infancy stages, but growing stronger by the day. The last time I was in a Korean BSS (which I don't frequent anymore), I remember seeing shea butter, cocunt oils, olive oils, etc. I'm sure the oils where not 100% pure, but the point is they're slowing catching on. My only issue with natural hair products are the price. I agree that it's a positive investment for your hair, but $20 - $30 for a few ounces of product is a bit much.
greenmean28 11 months ago
@greenmean28 People like me will never purchase processed unpure shea. And it's just not "natural hair," many women are transitioning, or using natural/organic products in their "stretched relaxed hair." If you purchase a small amount of unrefined shea from online, coconut oil and olive oil from a grocery store, you can create shea whipped mixes, which is much larger. I can take $20-30 and purchase all three products and make a whipped moisturizer, leave in, and hot oil treatment.
SparkMyWorld 11 months ago
@SparkMyWorld I'm six months natural, and the changes are beyond measure!! I've learned to how to make homemade shea butter, or flax seed gel with essential oils. Being natural doesn't mean breaking the bank ;-) I've purchase from none black-owned companies as well (Giovanni is a fav of mine too). I read the ingredients list on the natural products I saw in the KBSS...yeah, they weren't all natural (oh the shock).
greenmean28 11 months ago
@SparkMyWorld In my layman's opinion, I think BW need to move away from synthetic hair. This is truly the KBSS bread and butter next to relaxers. Cut the head, and the body will fall. But like I said earlier, this will require a revolution of EPIC porportions. I'm proud to be the change I would like to see as a natural BW, but I face a lot of BW who are not willing to change (not that i'm trying to change them). Hopefully one day, all women will learn to embrace their true beauty :-)
greenmean28 11 months ago
@greenmean28 Agreed. I never wore weave, besideS the 3 times I wore braids, but I'm allergic to synthetic hair. Can 20 million more women to get allergic to it!!!!! LOL I guess we'll have to use our healthy hair / real hair as a model for others to follow. I'm also a eco/greenie baby, so BW around me will either convert or leave. LOL Now, can Lauryn Hill come back to chop the horse's tail off Beyonce's head---forget the drag queens, she made the lace front popular with common folk.
SparkMyWorld 11 months ago
@greenmean28 The eco and organic movement is compounding---so I wouldn't say it's in it's infancy. I said again, the money is going to spread around to different people, not just African-American, because I have purchased organic products from Giovanni or Yes To...which are not black-owned or black-targeted, but Kinky Curly and Shea Moisture do fit those groups. And did you say you saw olive oil in a Korean BSS? It's better be some petroleum mix, because I wouldn't believe it if I saw it!
SparkMyWorld 11 months ago
@greenmean28 You are natural. It's slow, but you do see the changes. I spoke to several black women on Twitter who were dying to go natural, but didn't know where to start. They were confused. It's even being pushed by regional fashion magazines. I would like to see an economical way to spread the movement faster, but it can be achieved. The amount of money black women spend on stylists; the products can replaced. I had no budget but transitioned because I was informed & slowly replaced.
SparkMyWorld 11 months ago
@SparkMyWorld Essence posted an article on black salons closing because black women are getting perms less (stretching them), going natural, or wearing wigs as a protection method to encourage hair growth by low manipulation. With the exception of wigs, I see no use---and the internet has Indian hair, which isn't supplied in those stores. The money is going elsewhere, it's just out word of mouth has to get louder and spread more! Doing that! I have long, healthy hair that will be ALL natural.
SparkMyWorld 11 months ago
Ladies, WEAR YOUR OWN HAIR. Problem solved.
emaresea 1 year ago 6
@emaresea I don't think that will solve any problems because black women are still going to use hair color, gels, pomades, shampoos, conditioners, sprays, etc..even if we are natural, we still need products.The major companies have monopolized the business so that we will still have to spend our beauty dollars with them at the end of the day. We have a long way to go, and wearing our own hair is a small part of the issue... Afro-A weave distribution companies are on a steady rise today
gravyfaifai 1 week ago
can one go to korea or china & bring back these "banned" hair? it wounldt be considered exporting if bought with in they country or importing if brought back from a self made trip would it?
Mudrabbit308 1 year ago
many different ethnic groups have made money off of black people, the jews, italians(etc) they all did it in one form or another
ramfire77 1 year ago 3
So, what are you doing about it? Not that I particularlly support the Euro-centralized styles for minorities like us, but... Blaming the Koreans or Asians in general just for doing what they need to survive in the US isn't doing anything. Stop spending on Euro-centralized beauty products...then use the extra dough to start a fucking business. We are the highest paying customer of cosmetics in the US today.
thinker900 1 year ago 3
If Koreans are controlling 80% of the market, distribution, wholesale, and media then they're pretty much in control. Going against to Korean beauty industry is not smart thing to do coz they even competes with Japanese and European beauty industry. Korean beauty industry also dominates in SE Asia, China, Middle East and Africa + S.America too. Afro-American should be more innovative if they're going to survive Korean domination.
watsupzzful 1 year ago
Koreans aren't laughing at me. I don't go into their beauty supply stores or their nail salons. The service is bad, the products are cheap and promote allergens and the money leaves the Black community. I went natural 2 years ago, and I haven't looked back. I use real African Black Soap for my skin and hair care, shea butter and olive oil. BUY BLACK.
MsBonSaint 1 year ago 12
@MsBonSaint i'm interested, tell me more
B3stMe 1 year ago
@B3stMe TheAfroQween has a video about Afro Tips and Love. Check my girl out, she's been natural since 1998. There's nothing wrong with our hair, we need to learn how to care for it and wear it with pride. :)
MsBonSaint 1 year ago
are black beauty supply stores increasing
tonyskins19 1 year ago
Negros meet at a denny's to discuss black unity . . now how ironic and but ass backwards is that . . Man blacks have short memories!
rojahi76 1 year ago
its simple as this... if koreans wont sell to black...then they can't come to our fucking BLACK HAIR SHOWS!
keseytam 1 year ago
I agree this is a problem but i dont agree to blam Koreans. This is a BUSINESS and stop complaining and do something about it. happy they did and get their monopoly back.
keseytam 1 year ago
@keseytam Yeah but you're not supposed to get your monopoly throught state intervention, that's breaking free market principles and the Korean had no problems using state authority to monopolize the market.
mjoyner 1 year ago 3
@keseytam Yes, mistake is your biggest lesson. I hope Afro- American can take their industry back in their hands. However, you still be doing business with Koreans because Korean beauty care industry is huge, they even dominates their distribution to China, SE Asia, Middle East etc..
watsupzzful 1 year ago
I'm confused. 40 years ago, it was Korean's hair - it was their raw material - why shouldn't they and their goverment want to profit from that? Again 40 years ago, why would the US want to support any Chinese communist business. I fail to understand how blacks cannot corner what seems like a pretty simple market. This is hair care, not the latest microchip. Obviously the mass of black women are voting with their wallets and the Koreans must be doing something right.
marrerogecko 1 year ago
@marrerogecko Bullshit. Free markets are not supposed to have government involvement. When state-backed markets work AGAINST black prosperity, these issues need to be addressed.
mjoyner 1 year ago
Wow I'm late, is this debate over? lol
sang133 1 year ago
how is it that blacks are going to own any supply stores when the koreans have brought up the major product lines we use, and then in turn (according to the video) refuse to sell our products to us to sell in order to create a monopoly. Apparently they have found loopholes that makes it impossible to sue them. So now what?
iroc31407 1 year ago
@iroc31407 it's not a loophole. being non-black and selling black hair products is simply NOT ILLEGAL. stop the racism.
shalom1948hellyeah 1 year ago
@shalom1948hellyeah. There is no racism in my statement. The complaint is that they refuse to sell to african americans. that is blatant discrimination and they are asking people to verify their ethnicity over the phone in order to make sure they are not wholesaling to african americans who want to open their own businesses is dead wrong.
iroc31407 1 year ago 4
They need to be sued. The govt can tell them to be fair to everyone or pay up. That will get their attenton.
HealthyHairful 1 year ago
I wish that black people can unite.
loltankbo 1 year ago 4
Our people are making koreans rich just to look like someone else (Europeans) and we get nothing back.
Bnhudson 1 year ago 2
I can't believe people don't think the Asians are at fault
The Governments both conspired 2 cut African Americans out the loop, end of.
The west already gave up all manufacturing 2 them and yet thats STILL not enough
11ASCT 1 year ago
First: Stop saying that "Black people don't stick together". That's absolute bullshit! We do stick together. I see it every day in the many non-profit collaboratives and churches in Washington DC.
Second: You can't compare the togetherness of ANY race with the togetherness of immigrants because they're always going to be more tightly knit because they need to stick together to survive in a new country.
alander86 1 year ago 3
My AA brothers and Sisters..........stop WHINING!!!! Start selling the Bling and stop "investing" in Nike shoes and NBA merchandise!!! Stop gloryfing so-called "gangsters" and drugdealers and start opening your OWN business!!!
Do we really wonder why other "races" think we are a stupid people!!!
amster2007dam 1 year ago 5
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It shouldn't matter who or what race is owning or dominating an industry. I see where they're coming from tho with the discrimination tho, but then again, if a retail store doesn't want to buy your products, there isn't anything you can do about that.. Instead of boycotting and waiting on shops to open up I think they're better off starting up organizations to help and support black ppl to start up retail stores to help out the black manufacturers or make deals with the korean or other retailers
aperkins07 2 years ago
Is BOBSA national?
poo0115104 2 years ago
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when people says black people needs to stick together its a joke
BRKS627 2 years ago
Black people need to stop using chemicals to alter their hair textures, forget the weaves and the hair pieces and learn to care for what grows naturally. That is the only way for these asian owned stores to disappear. Natural hair is beautiful - do your research - learn how to look after it - you wont regret it.
youngmumma 2 years ago 22
@youngmumma i dont get why white people can change their texture of their hair all the time and have no negative feed back..
93niania 10 months ago
@93niania, How many white women do you see with nappy weaves?? Ya'll gotta start thinkin
pookiebear97 10 months ago
anyway i dont see black hair as nappy... and i see white people tryin to dread their hair
93niania 10 months ago
@93niania, Look honey when white women wear wigs the fake hair matches their natural hair texture they are born with already-We not born with have that type of texture (bone straight) naturally so it looks strange when we do it because the world knows our natural hair ain't straight.
FYI, white people with dreads isn't a strong point to bring up.
pookiebear97 10 months ago
@youngmumma i totally agree #teamnatural
reeseleebaby 9 months ago
@reeseleebaby I totally agree to:)
lunar371 6 months ago
SMH they teach us to hate ourselves just to further more exploit us
reeseleebaby 9 months ago
@youngmumma you are so correct , I am natural and dont spend a dime to do my hair. I make my own leave in conditioners, deep conditioners and flaxseed gels. And my hair is beautiful
laffy 7 months ago
What the wise lady said at 3:11 I completely and wholeheartedly agree with her.
Anna001007009 2 years ago 4
@Anna001007009
The first big mistake in any situation. "Ppl complain, complaining dont change a thang." Stop complaining and do something, you say do what? Whatever you want, b/c obviously if u are complaining someone else is to, just like asking a question in class that everyone wants to know but the 1 daring person decided to ask. Quit preaching and complaining about whats wrong. What did you do to make it right. Please stop with the "what we shoud do is..." Shoulda coulda woulda
Isignedup4this 2 years ago
if you don't agree with me, why even waste time and reply to it. get a life Troll. I mean really!
Anna001007009 2 years ago
@Anna001007009
i apologize for the misunderstanding, i gave u a thumbs up. i was not ranting towards u i was in agreement. its obvious that you are not black, but i agreed with the lady at 3:11 about the unity part. ppl can call me uncle tom if they want, but until we come together like the asians then things wont change. you have to admit not every black was in agreement w/MLK. as far as your black ppl are slow, its wrong to categorize blacks as a whole. funny how white ppl call out..
Isignedup4this 2 years ago
@Anna001007009
the one's they consider "trailer park trash" and completely disown them. But in the black community its sad that one bad apple can spoil the whole bunch. Exactly how do you define slow? like i said i did agree w/u until the slow comment that i may have overlooked
Isignedup4this 2 years ago
lol since you were too SLOW ro catch on; a person who just doesn't get it!!!! something that goes over their head!!!! niggas been here over 400 years and still dont own businesses and still pour, still high school drop outs, still damn dumb and still damn SLOW to get with the program....everything the man sayas and do just goes right over our damn head. all slow ass niggas don't even bother to repy tpo be; just fuck off somewhere. get a life assholes.!!!
Anna001007009 2 years ago
how enlightening, u obviously have other issues that i dont care to deal with right now. and from the looks of ur last comment, u just so happen to be one of "those" that complain and never change a thang!!
have a wonderful day and consider anger management. u seem to be a wee-bit bitter! glad i'm not u!
Isignedup4this 2 years ago
like I said, SLOW!!! done with your stupide ass.
Anna001007009 2 years ago
we did own businesses its only recently that that has changed due to institutional pressures sweety. Try to remember there is always more to a problem than whats on the surface. And its ironic how you complain ab us not doing anything on the video that demonstrates action. I took liberty to reply to this comment because I am not a "nigga" im not sure what that is and know I don't know any either. And what do you mean by "get a life"? You have spent the most time, discussing this via internet,
DaMan1can 1 year ago
who ever is decieved, deserves to be decieved. I hate to say it; but most blacks are just SLOW.
Anna001007009 2 years ago
"but the black dollar needs to be spent with the black people."
That's retarded as hell!
Black women get their hair pressed and dump chemicals on it PRECISELY TO LOOK NON-BLACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!
So from the start they begin from a self-hating position. You cannot get black women to love black businesses when they hate themselves.
Hate themselves to the tune of billions of dollars.
Who's the real enemy folks? Don't get mad, get SMART!
And to those who disagree, prove me wrong...if you can.
BlackTruthForever 2 years ago 17
You are so right... and it happens amongst every community that is not white but in a western country...
Mamou63 2 years ago
@BlackTruthForever
I dream of that day. i already started i dont even get my nails done .. it took me a YEAR to get the effects of that shitty acrylic off my nails. I now have natural beautiful nails. they dont look FAKE and stupid. we need to dump these ASian businesses and do better
WonderWomanFan4life 7 months ago
i have watched the whole documentary. i find it weird that u have a whole community of blacks, from the hood to hollywood and noone has come together from the rich to the poor and invest in something that us as people will always have to the day we die, is hair. as the lady said the asians are dominating our product. i think it should be done to preserve our heritage. to not be addited to "creamy crack" as Chris Rock would say
anneka01 2 years ago 3
Wow this is really inspiring ^_^ thank you for doing this documentary!!
lunacyprevails 2 years ago
bobsa is inspiring
phylliewilly 2 years ago
this makes me wander where the African braiders purchase the hair they use
acestarone 2 years ago 3
The lady at around 3:30 hit the nail on the head "black people don't have enough unity"...
arsdag81 2 years ago
daaammmnn
these koreans are smart!
in the london, most, no all of the hair shops are owned by indian and/or african. sometimes you might catch a jamacian.
BelizeHunni 2 years ago
By the way, this is not just a Black thing, this is an American problem. We are huge consumers in this country and we do NOT manufacture like we used to. We are suffering and will continue to do so, until we unify and stop allowing corporations to outsource manufacturing jobs, and depending on so much importation of goods that could be made just as easily right here. Those who think this is just a Black problem, need to think again.
kaylon80 2 years ago 3
check out my video living in an oblivious country. i said the same thing. us as americans are being bought out! we have to unite and get smart!
SiiSTALUV 2 years ago
I understand the whole free market argument, but I'm sorry, banning the import of Chinese wigs does not scream free market. Asking a potential customer / distributor if they are Black or Asian, has nothing to do with the free market. But the free market is good in that it does work both ways. Koreans have the right to band together to dominate the industry based on ethnicity and Blacks have an equal right to not buy from them based on the same thing.
kaylon80 2 years ago
Good, point.
yoshi3329 2 years ago
black people complain we don't have any money, we have lots of money but we just don't see it. UNITE OR DIE
startec25 2 years ago
See what I mean. Ad hominem. And from one who did not "finish high school."
Btw, if it was simplistic, why didn't Aron Ranen get that?
Or BOBSA, why didn't they get it?
Sephbay 2 years ago
if the black people unite against the Koreans it's fair?
If the white people do this to the black people it's discrimination?
C'mon. Guys who think like this should really should go to school to understand free market economies. This is America. Read the Constitution!!
Also read fallacies of argumentation and debate before you refute my comments. That way you won't committing non-sequitur or ad hominem arguments.
School helps.
Sephbay 2 years ago
Since when is there anything about the "free market" in the Constitution? What Constitution are you reading? And America engages in a good amount of protectionism itself, so "this is America" is an overly simplistic argument.
I do not really care about this argument one way or another, but if you are going to be condescending you should also be accurate.
AwakenedDesires 2 years ago
I'm really, really, really, really, honestly, truly, genuinely, sorry that you cannot understand the majesty of the American Constitution, because you expect a "free market" clause somewhere in it. Before you respond to my comments, please make sure you know ALL of the fallacies of argumentation and debate, and read all your college books on political philosophy (cont'd next post).
Sephbay 2 years ago
For one who hates logical fallacies you sure use a lot of them.
I care about the form of your argument, not the substance. I never said the U.S. should engage in protectionism in regards to hair. You assume too much. In fact, I gave no indication about what I think about the hair care market at all. All I said was your argument that the U.S. should not engage in protectionism because it is a free market economy is flawed. Ignoring protectionism made your argument weak.
AwakenedDesires 2 years ago
Comparing protectionism for "hair" then protectionism, say, for nuclear material or steel products is totally different.
The day you have a definition of "free-market" economy in the Constitution is the day you destroy the freedoms that we have. How do you define "freest of the free," anyway?
America may "engage in a good amount of protectionism" but imagine America having a protectionist attitude with the hair products industry? Are you serious?
Hair? Of all products in this world? Really?
Sephbay 2 years ago
Your comments thus far have only proven that you are either a lazy debater who expects their arguments to be self-proving or an ideologue who is not capable distinguishing between philosophy and fact. I say this not to insult, but only to suggest that someone who does not present sophisticated arguments really cannot afford to be so smug and condescending. If you had not been so supercilious in your comments, I would not have paid you a second thought.
AwakenedDesires 2 years ago
Thank you very much for starting irrelevance, and continuing with it.
Hair industry is hair industry is hair industry is hair industry....
Thanks for the ad hominems...
You wrote: "I gave no indication about what I think about the hair care market."
If you don't stick to the issues, then why did you email me? Attention? You miss me that much?? I miss you too!! Mwah!
Sephbay 2 years ago
Wow, free market economy is in the Constitution? That is news to me! Perhaps you could post a quote, because I surely do not recall ever reading that (non-sequitur and ad hominem arguments not withstanding). :-)
kaylon80 2 years ago
Dearest Kaylon,
The mere fact that you DO NOT understand how free-market economies are tied with the Constitution is precisely the reason why you should study these philosophies before you can ask me how the free-market economy is in the Constitution.
Your obvious ignorance about democracy and capitalism is perhaps what makes you insist that the hair industry should be staunchly defended by races. Even MLK had a doctorate. Time for you to be a decision-maker, not a decision-follower.
Sephbay 2 years ago
With all due respect Sephbay, I never insisted that the hair industry be staunchly defended by races. Hair is hair and industry is industry. I stated that the Koreans have the right to conduct business how they want, and Blacks have the right to choose not to buy from them if they don't like it. And having written all that you did about what I don't understand, I still don't see that quote from the Constitution.
kaylon80 2 years ago
With all due respect, and all the love in the world, you are so ignorant you don't know how ignorant you are.
FYI, the reason why the Constitution does not have a "free-market" clause is because the Founding Fathers and the most framers of the Constitution did not, at the time, know about it. In short, they did not have that term. Today, we don't need to add it.
Like I said, GO TO college. It will help explain the Constitution for you. Thanks for affirming and confirming my arguments.
Sephbay 2 years ago
Sephbay, I don't think you even know what your arguments are. I have gone to college and read the Constitution in it's entirety, and there is nothing about or even in reference to free market economy (under that or any other term). You stated: "C'mon. Guys who think like this should really go to school to understand free market economies. This is America. Read the Constitution!!" All I asked is where you got that from. Clearly, you misspoke, because you have yet to answer. Thanks for the love.
kaylon80 2 years ago
The bottom line is, why would I give you a lesson in Constitution 101, when you obviously don't know principles of the fundamental law of the land.
You can pretend you went to college, but you still did not understand the Constitution. Where did I get it? Read the history of the USA, and the history of the Constitution. If you went to college, and read in-depth your books, you would understand. I know the histories, you don't. That's why you still don't get it!
Hair is hair is hair is hair....
Sephbay 2 years ago
what annoys me is I know at those beauty supply stores they probably don't pay the african american young ladies working there much. these girls are usually experts in weaves, braids and hair care.
acestarone 2 years ago 2
"Probably" means that you don't know for sure. So then, you really can't say anything about that.
jstele 2 years ago
I am speaking from knowing someone who worked for one and she had long hours and low pay. what i meant by probably is that I don't know the pay for all stores....hello!!!! thanks. so i can say something about it. Most retail stores especially independent ones rarely hire people outside family and if they do employees are differently not paid much to insure a higher profit. that does not suffice for their expertise
acestarone 2 years ago
I agree with the stylist @ 3:14. We can reclaim the industry if we unify. We are so busy "going for ours" and blocking the progress of others, it can't happen. One's hairstyle is a personal choice and I do not feel one should have to "go natural" to prove anything. As the gentleman said @ 4:29, we HAD the monopoly, but WE lost it; therefore \WE must mobilize and form a strategy. The only thing the Koreans did was operate competitively in a free Market. That's capitalism in it's purist form.
ylvette 2 years ago 4
I agree wholly with what the last lady said!! Money speaks! There has to be a way to redirect your money in other directions away from the Asian owned stores. I've been wearing my hair natural. It's also important for us to know how to take care of our hair and natural haircare, stuff you can get at the GROCERY store is wayyyyy better this products filled it petroleum!!!
renaissancea 2 years ago 3
funny thing is almost all synthetic hair is mad in korea/japan china and human hair comes from india.however alot of black hair producta are owned by blacks
seun0203 2 years ago
Although going natural does not solve this huge problem, it is a first solution. We as Black women need to stop the vanity madness. We need to realize the high call we as Black Hebrew Israelites have in our own God and follow his law.
scoprios 2 years ago 4
where in Israel can you be found?
Zewaldi0007 2 years ago
I have stop going to Korean owned beauty supply store when I was in High School. I go to a African owned one, but it is so sad because I barely ever see anyone in there.
vpoetic 2 years ago 4
We have been so busy assimilating into White culture wearing that horsehair. I don't blame the Koreans. If we are dumb enough to buy their crap they will continue to get rich. There is NO excuse for not having ANY Black beauty supply stores in a Black neighborhood! We are the only race of people that give shit away. Dollars need to stay in the community. Learn from the Mexicans. The keep money within their community.
redbonegal 2 years ago 31
@redbonegal I agree with you 100% of the way! its only black people that doesnt support other black ppl. When i met my husband (thats white btw) he had a club of how to get a better job. ppl would literally come in and give jobs away if you are in a lower position. i never seen that done with black ppl
keseytam 1 year ago 2
@keseytam touch.totally agree.people need to understand this isn't about being racist(plenty of white friends,boyfriend and family)help others but you have to help your own first!lol!
hotties3v3n 1 year ago
@redbonegal Excuse me! Black Americans didn't integrate themselves. They were forced into integration, and it destroyed the core of our money staying within our community. The natural hair and organic hair movement is moving many people away from Korean-owned / Asian-owned supply stores because their products are inferior to natural hair.
SparkMyWorld 11 months ago
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ureallysuckglobes 2 years ago
Black ppl. DON'T OWE ANYBODY aliving
But they are owed for 400yrs. of opression
comments pages are full of F.B.I. AGENTS
bdoow 2 years ago
Black people need to start running business, and the black customers need to stop hating successful black people in business, thats the problem.
Lazybabyz 2 years ago 38
I agree that a big problem is a lot of black people hate on other black people when they are doing good instead of supporting them.
DJDProductions 2 years ago 15
the solution is high product quality at a competitive price. pure and simple. if the black community makes a better product at a good price then the product will be requested and bought. also boycotting the korean stores just because they arent black is rasicst
shariceo 2 years ago
thats why i dont wear weaves!!! @ 1:59
midwestchick87 2 years ago 3
(while I don't agree it's cowardice) cause we still find ourselves in the Korean beauty supply stores.
fjosias06 2 years ago
I'm natural..my hair has been natural since I was about in the 9th grade so for wow 11 years now and that was a personal decision for me. One thing that never makes sits well with me is when sisters who have decided to go natural start to feel that it's something we have to impose on every one else.. truth is people are going to ultimately lean towards what they're comfortable with, I agree with what someone said b4 about going natural doesn't solve the industry's problem,
fjosias06 2 years ago 4
It's good they (BOBSA) are more than just talk.
This issue is not about going "NATURAL."
That's a cowards solution. "Go Natural" and the Koreans still monopolize the beauty supply industry. You still might stop in a beauty supply to buy those cheap earrings, sunglasses and other junk. They sale more than weave and relaxers.
This is all about capitalism, money, and knowing how to get in the game. You can
"go natural" and still be a "broke joke" with no understanding about business.
life247AZ 2 years ago 5
Research.There will be a learning curve, but we should at least be proactive enough to spend the time to understand our own hair and its true need.Then try to find black companies.Stop buying all that WEAVE is the first thing. We are brainwashed that beauty=WEAVE/long hair and this isnt true. We damage our natural hair and then spend tons on artificial products and hair to create illusion.Take care of ourselves and grow mentally, physically and spiritually. Thats's real beauty and its cheaper.
desirem1 2 years ago 8
THANK YOU. well said.
komjong 2 years ago
Also, I've been thinking...its all business. Businesses are basically at war. I feel that it is unfair for business for to automatically expect a handout from Blacks because they are black owned. If you want to stay in business, you as a business have to a figure out how to out compete the Koreans. Whether its launching a mass marketing campaign about Korean discrimination or going straight to college campuses and selling your product there, etc...
(cont'd)
Dreamlover225 2 years ago
This is HAIR SLAVERY plain and simple! Free yourself. Go NATURAL. Natural is healthy and beautiful. Eat right, put good things in your mind (God's word), exercise, and be proud of what God gave us. We are beautiful when we are healthy and know who we are! We can do it people. Resist the videos that reflect beauty as something that is unreal, unnatural. Women, know you are beautiful with your own hair despite the brainwashing of many of our men. You are the bomb in your natural state!
desirem1 2 years ago 4
Im natural but I don't understand how going natural is the solution. If products geared toward natural hair were in demands, all Koreans would have to do is market more products for natural hair. How does that solve the problem?
Dreamlover225 2 years ago 3
it is not hair slavery. and going natural is not the answer. im not giving up relaxers anytime soon which is my choice just as you choose to be natural. some natural people still buy conditioners at the korean stores. i dont buy anything from there because i don't use the products they sell there. ill stick with my "white girl" products b/c they keep my hair healthy and strong but thats another topic
shariceo 2 years ago
i am soooooooo upset with this exploitation, I am not American but i am African and i know if the koreans take the market in America they automatically take over the market in Africa...Really, the solution is going Natural!!!!!!!
arrebiy 2 years ago 3
I'm a natural sister, but I must say that Black Women are creative as HELL when it comes to our hair....now, if ONLY WE could be creative as all HELL in distribution, sales, and the overall management of the Black Hair Care Industry!
This is a damned shame, for real...
It's easy for me to say that I'm not part of the problem (I use all natural products from the grocery stores in my hood, some black owned!) but I can shamefully say that I'm not part of the solution, either :(
tnj2323 2 years ago 4
GO NATURAL PEOPLE!!!!!! Problem solved! lol
Kitkatkis 2 years ago 5
we can solve this problem by all going natural. natural hair grows better anyway. i've been natural for a year and my afro is down my back.
dreaxoxo20 2 years ago 4
i just put that up on my facebook too. Ever since I went natural I can't remember the last time I've been to a beauty store. Most of my products are ordered online which are black business since they couldn't get their products in the Korean stores. They sell nothing but mineral, petroleum base products anyway which we all know doesn't promote growth.
taibeach 2 years ago 3
I rarely go to beauty supply stores myself because the products there are of low quality. well out of curiosity I decided to check out new one that opened up in my neighborhood. the owners are Arab Americans and they sell natural hair products (well they only have Jane Carter Solution which I don't care for) along with black soap, dr bronner's etc. So i guess they are trying to sell to the natural hair crowd too.
acestarone 2 years ago
Looked up BOBSA it answered my question; they listed black manufacturers, I'll be checking it out
Redeemed2000 2 years ago
It makes me glad I decided to go natural...The thing is I still need things like mosturizers and aloe vera and shampoo and conditioner. How do you know which companies are black owned and which are not?
Redeemed2000 2 years ago
GO NATURAL!!!
123HommieN 2 years ago 5
What a shame
iluvthearts 2 years ago
What the South Koreans are doing is called business. It doesn't have to be fair. Black people can close these stores down in no time. S. Koreans admit that 99.9% of their business comes from blacks. If you lose 99.9% of your business you have to close. Black people are the stupidest on the market. We patronize these places and can't even get a job there. Koreans don't even like us, but they are business people and they put all of that aside to get our money. Wake up black people!!!
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kindkinkycupcake20 2 years ago
Just another reason to go natural ladies...
BigAl023459 2 years ago 6
Do these people care at ALL about the QUALITY of products they are selling to THEIR PEOPLE. Why would they clamor and struggle to participate in a market that is selling crap to their women (and some men) who are spending their hard earned dollars on products that pull out, dry out, break off, and damage their hair? Why not use the meetings to talk about ordering products from quality producers and building a network of supply stores that offer 'better quality' to customers for the same price?
umkish 2 years ago
South Koreans have a manufacturing base, as well as the raw hair that is prized by blacks. Blacks don't manufacture anything. They can't get a "better quality" product at a cheap enough price so they can pass that savings on to the consumers. They have to pay whatever the Korean manufacturers ask, IF the Koreans even allow them to make a purchase . When blacks order products they are asked their race. If they are deemed to be black the don't get to place an order. See 4:54 to 6:25.
jadapoo1 2 years ago
@ jada, By 'better quality' I mean products produced by black owned businesses for black people i.e. Oyin, Carol's Daughter, Qhemet, Jane Carter, Karen's Body Beautiful, not Korean owned products. I am also speaking about hair 'care' products not weaves, hotcombs, extensions and the like that black women feel they need to include in their hair maintenance. Black shops don't 'need' to purchase those products per the demand, but can collectively 'change' the demand by offering a new supply.
umkish 2 years ago
Black shops can't change the demand. Hair weaves and such are what women want. Weave hair and wigs are a HUGE money maker for Koreans (K). BW want to feel the wind blowing through their hair, even if their hair is not their own. As for the hair products you've named they are onl ya few. The problem black manufacturers are facing is that their products are being closely copied by K and placed in K stores in place of the originals. This is possible due to the K manufacturing base...
jadapoo1 2 years ago
PART2- Look at PART ONE from 7:00 on. Any hair technology created by black manufacturers is copied and the black companies are slowly removed from the shelves and bad talked. As for black shops changing the demand, not gonna happen. 90% or MORE of black hair shops are owned by K. PUT BLACKS OUT OF BUSINESS IN THEIR OWN MARKET! This documentary tells us over and over that K domination f this business doesn't appear stoppable. The only thing that can change this is if stupid ass BP wake...
jadapoo1 2 years ago 2
PART3- and realize that black har care is a multi million dollar business that at one time mostly blacks controlled. But even better, start taking care of and loving their own hair instead of feeling it has to be altered in order to be acceptable! BP have no economic unity. Every other group spends with itself, including K! If a store is black owned people avoid it, even other blacks!!! BP are accustomed to making other people rich and being disrespected while doing so. The K KNOW THIS!!!
jadapoo1 2 years ago
Excuse me multi- billion dollar business.
jadapoo1 2 years ago 2
"realize that black har care is a multi million dollar business that at one time mostly blacks controlled."
Blacks never controlled the retail side of BBS. Before K began catering to the black community, the locally owned drug stores in the black neigborhoods were in control of the retail. This is where K took most of their business from. And please don't blame BP for not supporting BObusinesses. It is not the customers fault, but it is the business owners.
oosnij 2 years ago
HEY I shop at the store owned by the lady with the huge bun and accent! :)
urthanjell 2 years ago
the fucked up part about this is that koreans, arabs etc wont even give us a job in our own community in which they take money out of,but yet and stiill we still choose to patronize these people. that shit is so crazy! i wish blacks would wake the fuck up and take back our communities
jaysua 3 years ago 3
Notice that these stores don't sell any products for Caucasian hair, only Black hair vs. a Sally beauty supply store for example. What does that tell us? It is only about the mighty dollar. Caucasian women don't spend all their money on this stuff. That is why these Korean stores don't sell it cuz they won't make any money. Many black people will spend hundreds maybe even thousands of dollars on products and fake hair.
tymesava 3 years ago
It's beyond that. Yes, African American's are the biggest consumers, but why would a white person have to go to a "special" store to get products for their hair, when most products were created for their hair. First of all, our hair is very different, and it does need a lot of care. A white person could go to Shells gas station and find a product for them, but we can't, we have to hunt or order online for the good stuff. Topics about us are very complicated; one quick answer will never suffice.
hellokittycutie2003 2 years ago
@ hellokittyc2003 Exactly, but the 'special' products they purchase are just as ill fitting for their hair as a bottle of Suave from the gas station. The truth is that we believe we need 'different' products and have to patronize these little out of the way shops, but they sell things that will be no better for our hair than 'white people' hair products. The good stuff IS online like you say, and THAT's what they should b