You know why he was going to be killed. Because he didnt wait to see if theo woman was preganant. This hadith does not disprove the Quran,. hadith or tafsirs!
Nice try though, but quite pathetic!
Who abstain from sex, Except with those joined to them in the marriage bond, or (the captives) whom their right hands possess,- for (in their case) they are free from blame,
except from their spouses, that is, to their spouses, and what [slaves] their right hands possess, that is, concubines, for then they are not blameworthy, in having sexual intercourse with them.
And, forbidden to you are, wedded women, those with spouses, that you should marry them before they have left their spouses, be they Muslim free women or not; save what your right hands own, of captured [slave] girls, whom you may have sexual intercourse with, even if they should have spouses among the enemy camp, but only after they have been absolved of the possibility of pregnancy
(And all married women (are forbidden unto you save those (captives) whom your right hands possess) of captives, even if they have husbands in the Abode of War, after ascertaining that they are not pregnant
Some of the Companions of the Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) were reluctant to have intercourse with the female captives in the presence of their husbands who were unbelievers. So Allah, the Exalted, sent down the Qur’anic verse: (Sura 4:24) "And all married women (are forbidden) unto you save those (captives) whom your right hands possess." (Abu Dawud 2150, also Muslim 3433)
'Imran b. Husain reported that a person who had no other property emancipated six slaves of his at the time of his death. Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) called for them and divided them into three sections, cast lots amongst them, and set two free and kept four in slavery; and he (the Holy Prophet) spoke severely of him.
So Mohamed re enslaved them. Can you imagine your freedom is resting on a game of rock, paper, scissors? LOL! How pathetic!
And, forbidden to you are, wedded women, those with spouses, that you should marry them before they have left their spouses, be they Muslim free women or not; save what your right hands own, of captured [slave] girls, whom you may have sexual intercourse with, even if they should have spouses among the enemy camp, but only after they have been absolved of the possibility of pregnancy
WOW ALL YOUR SCHOLARS DISAGREE WITH YOU AND AGREE WITH ME! AMAZING!
Some of the Companions of the Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) were reluctant to have intercourse with the female captives in the presence of their husbands who were unbelievers. So Allah, the Exalted, sent down the Qur’anic verse: (Sura 4:24) "And all married women (are forbidden) unto you save those (captives) whom your right hands possess." (Abu Dawud 2150, also Muslim 3433)
@dickknows So you trying to convince me that the men and women that are taken captive want you to have sex with their wives and themselves in the presenece of their husbands?
The married womens husbands are right their and captive along with their wives. And most likely many of their friends and family have been slaughtered in the battle. They arent just going to give up, especially the men because the entire female part of their family is in jeopardy of being raped. U R willfully ignorant!
@dickknows So are you going to try and tell me that If I went to battle with you and your family and friends, and after a battle those that survived, along with their husbands and family, that they are going to want to have sex with me?
Do you know of any people that would do that? Is that your interpretation of humanity?
How about your wife, Mother, Grandmother, sister, nieces, cousins, and daughters. Do you think they would want to fuck me? You are out of your mind, and you disgust me!
@dickknows funny coming from u but then again hypocrites doo have their way with words so go read up on who malik ibn anas is then come talk to me just an imam and you think u know islam give me a break now as for as consent or not u seem to have no proof all the hadith says is a certain person had sex with another one and since raping them is haram then there is consent not my problem why and how maybe politically to save their deceiving tribe again not my problem -continuation -
@dickknows all i know is whatever tribe they belonged to was one of the 3 that betrayed the treaty of medina and one tried to assassinate the prophet the other held arms and joined quraish and the last one on of their men tried to rape a muslim gir someone defended her and killed him the other tribve people joined up and killed the latter and their trible refused to explain what happened and rejected seing the prophet and launched war and remeber any slave can demand hs freedom and
@TheJack1452 and get it should there be any abuse against him so why are we discussing this ? and now all sheikh agree that slavery can be exchanged by POW camps which they did not have back in the day and more importantly in that time only a few remained as slaves most were ransomed others freed as a good deed and in umar's time they taught 10 people something from their culture they were set free so give any other civilization that was as humane with slaves as muslims ? continued
@dickknows The Islamic prophet Muhammad encouraged manumission of slaves, even if one had to purchase them first. On many occasions, Muhammad's companions, at his direction, freed slaves in abundance. Muhammad personally freed 63 slaves, and his wife Aisha freed 67.[32] In total his household and friends freed 39,237 slaves
(Human Rights in Islam'. Published by The Islamic Foundation (1976) - Leicester,U.K)
(Nadvi (2000),pg. 453) this is only what was in one way or another documented
@TheJack1452 There is no regulation on taking more slaves. Perhaps they freed some after taking more!
Bukhari (80:753) - "The Prophet said, 'The freed slave belongs to the people who have freed him.'"
"The Prophet had suddenly attacked Bani Mustaliq without warning while they were heedless and their cattle were being watered at the places of water. Their fighting men were killed and their women and children were taken as captives" (Bukhari 46:717)
But your complaing about the treatment of criminals at Abu Graib. Shouldnt you want them punished? Or is it ok for them to commit crime and murder because they are Muslim.
And I am not full of it. You are. Your a hypocrite and a bigot. I dont care what race or religion a crimnal is. I want him punished. You on the other hand want the Muslim murderer to go free because he is killing kufre! You disgust me!
@dickknows man you make me laugh so hard its ridiculous i mean who says they are criminals ? and according to whom ? if they truly are put them in trial and get the harshest punishments for them they deserve it but why rape and torture them ? u who speak of humanity and "being humane " i mean why attack islam on this principal when your own line of thinking is "they are bad they deserve everything" i can say the same thing and you'd call me a fanatic then arent you one ?
@TheJack1452 It's irrelevant. I dont know anything about rape. And if they did, its against the law. They are criminals you imbecile. That is not the policy to rape anyone, unlike in Islam that permits rape and adultery with captives.
I never said they deserve to be raped. Where did I say that you imbecile? They deserve punishment, imprisonment. I do not condone rape nor does the government! But Islam does. Either you cant read or your a complete moron!
@dickknows dude calm down sorry if i broke your bubble there ,you are probably one of the few who dont know of what happened in that prison in fact thats why i mentioned it in the first place not because its a preson but because of what goes on inside and as i said time and time again and u failed to debunk islam does not permit rape and adultry ( you know the "Anas ibn malik article ) u should read it and see who this sheikh he is a contemporary of the prophet and when u said they--
Proclaiming a victory does not mean it occurred! I refuted every single thing you said.
RAPE AND ADULTERY!
Some of the Companions of the Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) were reluctant to have intercourse with the female captives in the presence of their husbands who were unbelievers. So Allah, the Exalted, sent down the Qur’anic verse: (Sura 4:24) "And all married women (are forbidden) unto you save those (captives) whom your right hands possess." (Abu Dawud 2150, also Muslim 3433)
@dickknows you are delusional u didnt even know who anas ibn malik was !!! and this
" And women already married, except those whom your right hands possess (iv. 24)" (i. e. they were lawful for them when their 'Idda period came to an end). do u know what idda is ? its the time after a divorce or death of the husband that wife needs before marring again so if they had to wait for idda it means a marriage was going to happen otherwise its unnecessary
@TheJack1452 YEah they had to wait to rape them until after they made sure that they were not pregnant! So WHAT!
I am going to invade your coutry, take your wife, Mother, Sisters, and daughters wait to make sure they are not pregnant and then rape them.
It is not specific to divorce. How can you force someone to get a divorce. So by the act of capturing someone you automatically make them divorce? Thats even more evil. Read ayat 23 5-6 and 70 29-30/ It contradicts your lies!
@dickknows Qur'an (23:5-6) - "..who abstain from sex, except with those joined to them in the marriage bond, or (the captives) whom their right hands possess..."
* تفسير Tanwîr al-Miqbâs min Tafsîr Ibn ‘Abbâs
(Save from their wives) up to four wives (or the (slaves) that their right hands possess) without any limit in number, (for then they are not blameworthy) when they engage in that which is lawful,
And, forbidden to you are, wedded women, those with spouses, that you should marry them before they have left their spouses, be they Muslim free women or not; save what your right hands own, of captured [slave] girls, whom you may have sexual intercourse with, even if they should have spouses among the enemy camp, but only after they have been absolved of the possibility of pregnancy
WOW ALL YOUR SCHOLARS DISAGREE WITH YOU AND AGREE WITH ME! AMAZING!
@dickknows u keep cherry picking bitch show me a fucking consensus and since there isnt none u may choose who u want to follow bitch and nikah mutah entirely with slaves and other muslims is only in shia so i mentioned it to explain differences of opinions second u sure are getting jumpy whats the matter feeling tight in the chest ? thats the feeling whenu get owned brother second like my article showed when she gets captured and her husband isnt there she is divorced from him---
@dickknows - How many women actually ended up having sex with their Muslim captors.
- Most importantly, whether any slave girls were raped
and you are ignorant of history, for slave girls did consensually have sex with their captors:
John McClintock said
Women who followed their father and husbands to the war put on their finest dresses and ornaments previous to an engagement, in the hope of finding favor in the eyes of their captors in case of a defeat.
@dickknows (John McClintock, James Strong, “Cyclopædia of Biblical, Theological, and Ecclesiastical Literature” [Harper & Brothers, 1894 ] , p. 782)
Matthew B. Schwartz said:
The Book of Deuteronomy prescribes its own rules for the treatment of women captured in war [ Deut 21:10-14 ] … Women have always followed armies to do the soldiers’ laundry, to nurse the sick and wounded, and to serve as prostitutes
They would often dress in such a way as to attract the soldiers who won the
@dickknows battle. The Bible recognizes the realities of the battle situation in its rules on how to treat female captives, though commentators disagree on some of the details.
The biblical Israelite went to battle as a messenger of God. Yet he could also, of course, be caught up in the raging tide of blood and violence. The Western mind associates prowess, whether military or athletic, with sexual success.
@dickknows The pretty girls crowd around the hero who scores the winning touchdown, not around the players of the losing team. And it is certainly true in war: the winning hero "attracts" the women. (Matthew B. Schwartz, Kalman J. Kaplan, "The Fruit of Her Hands: The Psychology of Biblical Women" [ Wm. B. Eerdmans Publishing, 2007 ] , pp. 146-147) thus we see from two non muslim scholars that slave women back in the past would consent to having sex with their captors.
@dickknows So if we put aside our21st century mindset and look at history
there is nothing wrong with saying that slave girls back then consented to having sex with their captors.so if you say that not all the women felt this way and there was bound to be some who didn’t want to have sex,Iwould agree with you.However, how does this prove that the Muslims raped slave girls?How do you know whether the Muslim back then actually raped the slave girl who was unwilling to have sex with him?
@dickknows Isn’t it also possible that the Muslim might have bought another slave girl who was willing? Yes that it possible. How does David know that this didn’t happen? What is his proof that they raped them? Imam Al Shafi’ one of our most respected classical scholars said in Kitab al Umm, Volume 3, page 253 said that if someone kidnaps a slave girl and rapes her must face punishment (flogging if he was single and stoning if he was married).
@dickknows Al Shanqeeti, one of our most respected modern Maaliki scholars said in Zaad Al Mustanq'i, Volume 9, page 335 the same exact thing.
and this hadtih :from Harun bin Al-Asam who said: Umar bin al-Khatab may Allah be pleased with him sent Khalid bin al-Walid in an army, hence Khalid sent Dharar bin al-Auwzwar in a squadron and they invaded a district belonging to the tribe of Bani Asad. They then captured a pretty bride,
@dickknows Dharar liked her hence he asked his companions to grant her to him and they did so. He then had sexual intercourse with her, when he completed his mission he felt guilty, and went to Khalid and told him about what he did. Khalid said: 'I permit you and made it lawful to you.' He said: 'No not until you write a message to Umar'. (Then they sent a message to Umar) and Umar answered that he (Dharar) should be stoned
@dickknows . By the time Umar's message was delivered, Dharar was dead. (Khalid) said: 'Allah didn't want to disgrace Dharar' so this deals a fatal blow to your argument friend that is unless you dont know who umar ibn al khattab is then well you would be pretty pathetic
@TheJack1452 BWAHAHAHA! Now you want to bombard me in the hopes that it will look like a refutation? You and Islam are exposed!
"O Allah's Apostle! We get female captives as our share of booty, and we are interested in their prices, what is your opinion about coitus interruptus?" The Prophet said, "Do you really do that? It is better for you not to do it. No soul that which Allah has destined to exist, but will surely come into existence.” (Bukhari 34:432)
@dickknows and this sort of marriage is called nikah mtaah here w w w .quranexplorer. c o m /Hadith/English/Hadith/muslim/008.3433. h tm l Narrated Abu Burda's father: Allah's Apostle said, any man who has a slave girl whom he educates properly, teaches good manners, manumits and marries her, will get a double reward And if any man of the people of the Scriptures believes in his own prophet and then believes in me too, he will (also) get a double reward
@TheJack1452 BWAHAHAHA! I mhuta marriage is an arrangement between two Muslim people with a set price and time. Your a LIAR! And you have been refuted!
So what if you educate them. That does not take away the fact that you already raped them.
So after I rape your daughter and I educate her does that make the rape go away?
BWAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAH! You are insane! And Islam is the most evil fascist bigoted death cult on the planet!
@dickknows Narrated Abu Jamra: I heard Ibn Abbas (giving a verdict) when he was asked about the Mut'a with the women, and he permitted it (Nikah-al-Mut'a). On that a freed slave of his said to him, "That is only when it is very badly needed and women are scarce." On that, Ibn 'Abbas said, "Yes." (due note nikah means marriage and nikah mutaa temporary marriage one to satisfy one's self without adultry through consent and mahr before hand )
@TheJack1452 HAHAHAH! So its ok to rape women when they are scarce? LOL!
I am not talking about Muta, I am talking about rape and adultery!
"O Allah's Apostle! We get female captives as our share of booty, and we are interested in their prices, what is your opinion about coitus interruptus?" The Prophet said, "Do you really do that? It is better for you not to do it. No soul that which Allah has destined to exist, but will surely come into existence.” (Bukhari 34:432)
Ibn abbas reported :....The stalks left marks on his side and he was leaning on a leather pillow stuffed with date-palm fires. I greeted him and while still standing I said, 'O Allah's Apostle! Have you divorced your wives?' He looked at me and said, 'No.' I said, 'Allah Akbar!' And then, while still standing, I said chatting, 'Will you heed what I say, O Allah's Apostle?
@TheJack1452 "We went out with Allah's Messenger (PBUH) on the expedition to the Bi'l-Mustaliq and took captive some excellent Arab women; and we desired them, for we were suffering from the absence of our wives, (but at the same time) we also desired ransom for them. So we decided to have sexual intercourse with them but by observing 'azl But we said: We are doing an act whereas Allah's Messenger is amongst us; why not ask him? he said: It does not matter" (Sahih Muslim 3371)
@dickknows We,the people of Quraish used to have power over our women, but when we arrived at Medina we found that the men (here) were overpowered by their women.'
so no u refuted nothing your "arguments are childs play they might win u some points with the average muslims, not me though this might surprise u , i have thoroughly enjoyed our strenuous conversation and i await your counter (do read all my replies a total of 5 )
deserve to be in there i assumed u meant they deserved everything they did to them there all the raping parading torture and unleashing dogs on their genitals its pretty gruesome actually
@TheJack1452 HAHAHA! Now your telling me what I meant. See you have to lie in order to justify your ridulous statement! I Never said they deserve to be raped. Your a liar and a scum bag!
Provide the statement where I said it. You have to try and reinterpret what I say just like you do the Quran, and hadith. Your just making things up now. Prove that they unleashed dogs on their genitalks.
AND IF THEY DID, IT IS ILLEGAL AND IMMORAL! CAN YOU UNDERSTAND THAT MORON?
@dickknows You say that this is the Twenty first century. But isnt the Quran for all times? ISnt Mohamed the perfect example of a man? LOL Far from it. Can you show me where these ayats were abrogated? So you are being inconsistent. And using logical fallacies. And listen imbecile we do not target civilians. We go to great lengths to ensure very few civilian casualties occur. Muslims target civilians in the streets and Markets. ALLAh Akbar BOOOOOM!!! And what is this 54% thing? 54% of what? LOL
@dickknows And the people who committed crimes in Abu Graib were criminals and were prosecuted. But your own fascist death cult permits rape of captives and enslaving them! And your own death cult permits torture. And your Ummah is cutting peoples heads off, drilling holes in their heads, electrocuting them. So I take it you are for the terrorists and secular violence. Or else you wouldnt be complaining about the criminals in prison!
Narrated Kurib: Maimuna bint Al-Harith told him that she manumitted a slave-girl without taking the permission of the Prophet. On the day when it was her turn to be with the Prophet, she said, "Do you know, O Allah's Apostle, that I have manumitted my slave-girl?" He said, "Have you really?" She replied in the affirmative. He said, "You would have got more reward if you had given her (i.e. the slave-girl) to one of your maternal uncles."
@dickknows So as you can see Mohamed got pissed off when this woman freed her slaves. And said she would have gotten a greater reward for keeping them in captivity!
That doesnt groove with your revisionism! Why is that? So keeping them slaves actually is a greater act than freeing them! WOW AMAZING!
'Imran b. Husain reported that a person who had no other property emancipated six slaves of his at the time of his death. Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) called for them and divided them into three sections, cast lots amongst them, and set two free and kept four in slavery; and he (the Holy Prophet) spoke severely of him.
So Mohamed took them back and re-enslaved them because of a debt! That doesnt sound consistent with your view! LOL!
@dickknows SO let me get this straight. Your complaing about what some people did ILLEGALLY at Abu Graib when your Allah permits this? Your a HYPOCRITE!
Qur'an (5:33) - "The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides..."
@dickknows Muslim (16:4131) - They were caught and brought to him (the Holy Prophet). He commanded about them, and (thus) their hands and feet were cut off and their eyes were gouged and then they were thrown in the sun, until they died.
Ishaq:515 "The Prophet gave orders concerning Kinanah to Zubayr, saying, 'Torture him until you root out and extract what he has. So Zubayr kindled a fire on Kinanah's chest, twirling it with his firestick until Kinanah was near death. Then the Messenger gave him to Maslamah, who beheaded him."
Why was Mohamed doing this? Was it for God, or booty?
OMG the Muslim mind is a fascinating congeal of hypocrisy, inconsistencies, logical fallacies, and straw man arguments
@dickknows oh and one more thing no i dont know any people that would do that but then again this is the 21st century not the 14th and 15th century and there are no justified wars but u have goverments like america who seem in the business of killing civilians (about 54percent rate) and abu ghraib like rape style so why deal with a dead subject and not deal with things like state sponsored terrorism or the abuse of sharia in so called muslim countries? like apostasy law that has
@dickknows no basis in the quran or sunna (the only hadith permits punishment but does in the case of apostasy coupled with treason which were synonyms back in the day and does not codify it or make it necessary and does not specify said punishment ) so in essence its pure conjecture and interpretation(this is just an example no need to fuss about it)
Abu Dawood is burning in hell! Some of the Companions of the Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) were reluctant to have intercourse with the female captives in the presence of their husbands who were unbelievers. So Allah, the Exalted, sent down the Qur’anic verse: “And all married women (are forbidden) unto you save those (captives) whom your right hands possess.” That is to say, they are lawful for them when they complete their waiting period."
@TheJack1452 You are not being consistant. You said those that are lying or disagreeing with your and your fallacious example are going to hell.
So that would mean that Ibn Abbass, Ibn Kathir, Imaam Bukhari, Abu Dawood, The Authors of Sahih Muslims, the Two Jalalayns and every scholar is going to burn in hell. Because they do not agree with you or the author of those websites!
Look I will post one again. Now tell me how Imaam Bukhari is not going to hell for disagreeing with you and them!
@dickknows "We received captives from among the Arab captives and we desired women and celibacy became hard on us and we loved to do coitus interruptus. So when we intended to do coitus interrupt us, we said, 'How can we do coitus interruptus before asking Allah's Apostle who is present among us?" We asked (him) about it and he said, 'It is better for you not to do so, for if any soul (till the Day of Resurrection) is predestined to exist, it will exist."
@dickknows Some of the Companions of the Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) were reluctant to have intercourse with the female captives in the presence of their husbands who were unbelievers. So Allah, the Exalted, sent down the Qur’anic verse: (Sura 4:24) "And all married women (are forbidden) unto you save those (captives) whom your right hands possess." (Abu Dawud 2150, also Muslim 3433)
Now who is going to hell? The greatest scholars or the people that differ from them?
@dickknows u saw the website with imam malik and such ? nuff said (im a malikiits a madhab))and i dont know who is going to hell or who isnt thats up to god(unless said person is a kaffir and even then there is always a chance god will forgive) and imam bukhari was a compiler not a scholar per say he collected hadith and u need to understand the quran and hadith are unchanging but interpretations are and views differ time and time again so the quran doesnt mention neither contin
@TheJack1452 Well if your Imaam disagrees with all of the historical scholars, hadith and Allah then they are going to hell. Or they are using taqiyya
Because there is no place in the Quran, hadith or tafsr that says you must get consent. I have never heard of getting consent from something your right hand possesses! That is preposterous! They own them. So If I defeated you in a battle would your wife, Mother,m and daughters be horny for me? Would they be lusting after me?
@dickknows consent nor lack there off along with hadith which again doesnt mention this so its our interpretation so its up to us unless there is a consensus
"O Allah's Apostle! We get female captives as our share of booty, and we are interested in their prices, what is your opinion about coitus interruptus?" The Prophet said, "Do you really do that? It is better for you not to do it. No soul that which Allah has destined to exist, but will surely come into existence.” (Bukhari 34:432)
The combined annual GDP of 57 Muslim countries remains under $2 trillion. America , just by herself, produces goods and services worth $10.4 trillion; China $5.7 trillion, Japan $3.5 trillion and Germany $2.1 trillion. Even India 's GDP is estimated at over $3 trillion (purchasing power parity basis). Oil rich Saudi Arabia , U.A.E., Kuwait and Qatar collectively produce goods and services (mostly oil) worth $430 billion; Netherlands alone has a higher annual GDP.
@karlsmith00 did you read all my comments or not ? stop spewing hate id say the same about Joseph and marry (he was 90 she was 12) so whats your point ? that was the norm again she WAS already engaged to someone else before the prophet see a goddamn norm u dont have to like it its just what it is people 1400 or 2000 years ago are different from today's damn but if you fantasie about that as u know the details you're the freak because we are living in a different world get it ?
@karlsmith00 u know what your right i dont want to reason with u.U know why ? well because you'r a dumb bastard so here is an article : w w w loonwatch c o m /2010/08/taqiyya-the-ultimate-intellectual-cop-out/ and this one
w w w loonwatch c o m /2010/08/silencing-spencer-taqiyya-and-kitman-are-part-of-judeo-christian-belief/
so be "the smart one" and read for once and use that rotting brain of yours
The jews and their 'american' sympathisers have no issues calling Islam evil. When actual evil is quoted to them directly from the TALMUD suddenly they become american again. It's a shame the constitution didn't require ACTIVE participation in unalienable freedom under threat of DEPORTATION.
About time too. If Islam has anything to offer it has to get its own house in order. India is the best place for such a movement to flourish and people the world over have great respect for Indians. The problem remains, what about the teachings of the Koran itself? Many people around the world have begun to read it and are appalled by it and its imperialist message and bloodthirsty strategy.
If you have seen "Lessons in hate and violence" (Channel 4, Dispatches), you will be wondering how it still is possible that most of the "Deobandi" mosques in Britain (ca half of all registered mosques over there) are under suspicion of teaching sedition-promoting material.
@ritchloui really ??? man must have missed the news and do u care to share with us these "teachings" that is verses i presume and in context otherwise u should with all due respect STFU ignorant fool
@TheJack1452 Ah yes, the usual Muslim strategy, one mustn't take Koranic verses 'out of context', then when that is debunked, they say, it's a matter of 'interpretation' and when that is debunked they say, oh well you have to read it in Arabic, and when that is debunked they then say your're being 'racist' 'anit-Muslim' 'Islamophobic, and when that is debunked they say it's 'blasphemous'. Read the Hadiths, they make Islam's slave based underbelly crystal clear.
@ritchloui what the hell are u going on about u showed me no context to begin with and forgive if if im wrong but isnt context essentielle to just about anything ? i mean without it u could turn a children's book into some sick twisted book ? SO FIND THE CONTEXT YOURSELF then all u seem to think u know will be challenged and u cant debunk a context u ignorant fool or do u feel smart using big words what a couch hugging douche !! go read books essays hear all version and find the truth
@TheJack1452 The context is the self-evident tyranny and idiocy of Islam. "How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries, improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live". Churchill 1899
@ritchloui ah this amazing so he said it must be true well here is a discussion :
mises. o r g /daily/1450 still u dont mention the context u probably dont know it oh poor u, you had to quote someone to feel good about your ignorance the"they said it it must be true" position is a sad one indeed and pathetic so Churchill's lapdog go and fetch another hate quote im waiting and maybe take look at what islam accomplished in the golden age and where your ancestors were
@TheJack1452 LOL. You've fallen for that old lie about the so called 'Islamic Golden Age'. Hahaha. What is even funnier is that the West, who as you are aware were MILES behind. Of course the Muslims say nothing of the people who had preserved the Ancient Greek, Persian, Indian work for 1,000 years before Islam, nor who translated it into Arabic, nor that their own progress ended 1,000 years ago. When the light of knowledge passed to the Europeans they changed the world within 100 years. HAHAHA
@ritchloui see u just set a record of ignorance every credible person regardless of study field recognizes the golden age and it was muslims who preserved and translated the works most notably in "beit al hikma" 'the house of knowledge ' and we are at our current state partly to our own fault and partly because of the colonization movement and the setting of dictator puppets by the west and FYI its not 100 years (why do i even try) its after 17th century called the "Renaissance "
@TheJack1452 First, the Muslim world benefited greatly from the Greek sciences, which were translated for them by Christians and Jews. To their credit, Muslims did a better job of preserving Greek text than did the Europeans of the time, and this became the foundation for their own knowledge. (One large reason for this, however, was that access by Christians to this part of their world was cut off by Muslim slave ships and coastal raids that dominated the Mediterranean during this period).
@dickknows Secondly, many of the scientific advances credited to Islam were actually “borrowed” from other cultures conquered by the Muslims. The algebraic concept of “zero”, for example, is erroneously attributed to Islam when, in fact, it was a Hindu discovery that was merely introduced to the West by Muslims.
@dickknows In truth, conquered populations contributed greatly to the history of “Muslim science” until gradually being decimated by conversion to Islam (under the pressures of dhimmitude). The Muslim concentration within a population is proportional to the decline of scientific achievement. It is no accident that the Muslim world has had little to show for itself in the last 800 years or so, since running out of new civilizations to cannibalize.
@dickknows incredible how easy it is to provide unsubstantiated facts man i mean to disregard the entire works of an empire that stretched from the Arabian peninsula to china out of pure hate is unbelievable so please search "ibn sina" "ibn al haithum"" ibn khuldun" "ibn al jazzar" and read this site :w w w .muslimphilosophy. c o m /ip/intgkp.htm and dont forget algebra is attributed to "al Khwarizmi" who by taking greek works to another level made algebra what it is today continued
@TheJack1452 Everything I said is a fact. What Empire are you referring to? The Muslim Empire that invaded , raped and plundered its way throughout the Middle East, Africa, and Europe? Tell me what has the Islamic world had to show for itself in the last 800 years since it was stopped from cannibalizing other nations and cultures. They would still be collecting camel dung for fuel if it were not for the West creating the technology such as the combustion engine and the way to refine it.
@dickknows By the time of Plato, Greek mathematics had undergone a drastic change. The Greeks created a geometric algebra where terms were represented by sides of geometric objects, usually lines, that had letters associated with them.[1] Diophantus (3rd century AD), sometimes called "the father of algebra", was an Alexandrian Greek mathematician and the author of a series of books called Arithmetica.
@TheJack14 I just gave you the evidence that refuted you. What are you talking about? The last nations on the planet EARTH to abolish slavery were Islamic, and it was only after the UN forced them to. What more evidence do you want? Your suffering from serious delusion! Isnt it a fact that since Islamic countries have been stopped from invading and cannibalizing other nations there has been nothing of significance to come from them? The unemplyoment rate is around 8.5%
@TheJack1452 The Unemployment rate is around 8.5% Google it. And the Netherlands has a higher DGP than all 57 Islamic nations put together. And the U.S economy is one of the strongest in the world. Go see how much we give to Islamic countries every year in donations!
Islamic Research Foundation International, Inc.
In spite of comparable levels of development the mean rate for literacy for the Muslims is 35 per cent lower than that for the Third World
@dickknows iteracy rate is higher among the youth than adults. Youth literacy rate (ages 15–24) in the Arab region increased from 63.9 to 76.3 % from 1990 to 2002. The average rate of GCC States Cooperation Council for the Arab States of the Gulf (GCC) was 94 %, followed by the Maghreb at 83.2% and the Mashriq at 73.6 % rest is here : e n .wikipedia. o r g /wiki/Arab_world and i acknowledge my mistake regarding the unemployment rate (im man enough to do it) what about u and slavery?
@TheJack1452 Islamic Research Foundation International, Inc.
The average literacy rate for Muslims of the world is around 38 percent and in rural areas in Muslim countries, the illiteracy rate among Muslim women is 93 to 97 per cent. In spite of comparable levels of development the mean rate for literacy for the Muslims is 35 per cent lower than that for the Third World, and 40 percent below the world’s average. The data suggests that almost two-thirds of the Muslims worldwide are illiterate.
@dickknows What about me and slavery? I didnt make any mistake. I presented the facts. What facts do you think that I presented were incorrect? I can present the data information to you. The last natiuons on earth to abolish slavery were Islamic. That is fact. And Islam NEVER abolished slavery! And permits rape and adultery of captives!
Qur'an (23:5-6) - "..who abstain from sex, except with those joined to them in the marriage bond, or (the captives) whom their right hands possess..."
@dickknows read the fucking bbc article and what about : 1846: Tunisia abolishes slavery
1847: Ottoman Empire abolishes slave trade from Africa
"Sunan Abu-Dawud":
Book 12, Number 2304: , Narrated Jabir ibn Abdullah
Musaykah, a slave-girl of some Ansari, came and said: My master forces me to commit fornication. Thereupon the following verse was revealed: "But force not your maids to prostitution (when they desire chastity)."
@TheJack1452 That is irrelevant. Good for tunesia.
Just because Tunesia ended slavery in 1846 does not mean that the last nations on the planet to abolish slavery were not Islamic. It does not displace the fact you fucking imbecile!And that hadith is about prostitution. not sex with the slave master. OMg you are in complete and total denial and delusion! Just because they forbid prostitution does not mean they forbid the owners having sex with captives and slaves Your an imbecile!
@dickknows its tunisia and the ottoman empire dumb fuck and as a rule of thumb if u assert something unequivocally then turns out you are wrong makes your argument invalid .about slavery again :w w w .answering-christianity. c o m /umar/slave_girls. h t m
muslim-responses. c o m /Slave_girls_in_Islam_/Slave_girls_in_Islam_ and on a final note i dont care what u think in fact if it were a part of islam still wont matter as its a dead subject to our present but it isnt a part of it
Bukhari (59:637) - "The Prophet sent Ali to Khalid to bring the Khumus (of the booty) and I hated Ali, and Ali had taken a bath (after a sexual act with a slave-girl from the Khumus).
Qur'an (8:69) - "But (now) enjoy what ye took in war, lawful and good"
Qur'an (23:5-6) - "..who abstain from sex, except with those joined to them in the marriage bond, or (the captives) whom their right hands possess..."
@dickknows a slave woman does not have the right to refuse her master’s requests unless she has a valid excuse. If she does that she is being disobedient and he has the right to discipline her in whatever manner he thinks is appropriate and is allowed in sharee’ah.
@dickknows did you read the articles i gave you ? (and BTW islam Q&A is an extremist site a wahabi one at that and still accept that a female slave can refuse to do something with a valid excuse )
@TheJack1452 YEah and the article is irrelevant. I could refute all of it with factual evidence. It is all a lie. I presented the evidence that refutes it! Your in total denail of reality!
Yes but the Quran, hadith and tafsir say that even being married is not a valid excuse!
Tafsir Ibn Abbass
(And all married women (are forbidden unto you save those (captives) whom your right hands possess) of captives, even if they have husbands in the Abode of War.
@dickknows "Some of the Companions of the Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) were reluctant to have intercourse with the female captives in the presence of their husbands who were unbelievers. So Allah, the Exalted, sent down the Qur’anic verse: (Sura 4:24) "And all married women (are forbidden) unto you save those (captives) whom your right hands possess." (Abu Dawud 2150, also Muslim 3433)
@dickknows "O Allah's Apostle! We get female captives as our share of booty, and we are interested in their prices, what is your opinion about coitus interruptus?" The Prophet said, "Do you really do that? It is better for you not to do it. No soul that which Allah has destined to exist, but will surely come into existence.” (Bukhari 34:432)
"We went out with Allah's Messenger (PBUH) on the expedition to the Bi'l-Mustaliq and took captive some excellent Arab women; and we desired them, for we were suffering from the absence of our wives, (but at the same time) we also desired ransom for them. So we decided to have sexual intercourse with them but by observing 'azl We are doing an act whereas Allah's Messenger is amongst us; why not ask him? So we asked Allah's Messenger (PBUH), and he said: It does not matter" (Sahih Muslim 3371)
@dickknows no u didn't because first they are two articles second they mention with details everything including married slaves and u do know that a single opinion is worthless there needs to be an actual consensus on something and most importantly this subect is of no concern to me in fact i coudnt careless if it was true. i would accept it as a decree from god but it isnt thats the problem and i hate those who propagate lies and deceit your is the eternal abode in hell brother
@TheJack1452 So your saying a modern apologist abrogates the Quran, hadith and all of your early classic and most respected scholars? They are lying, revisionist Muslim trying to fool the foolish like yourself. Mohamed said it does not matter. And all of the evidence proves it. You are willfully ignorant and easily deceived! If you hate those that propagate lies about Islam you should hate the people that made that website! Because they are giving opinion without substantiation! I give facts!
@TheJack1452 So I guess Ibn Abbass is going to hell! And the two Jalalayns, and Imaam Bukhari, Authers of Sahih Muslim, Abu Dawood and every other Islamic scholar are burning in hell!
* تفسير Tanwîr al-Miqbâs min Tafsîr Ibn ‘Abbâs
(And all married women (are forbidden unto you save those (captives) whom your right hands possess) of captives, even if they have husbands in the Abode of War
Abd Allah ibn Abbas (Arabic: عبد الله ابن عباس) was a paternal cousin of the Islamic prophet Muhammad.
@dickknows Verse 24:33 "Let those who find not the wherewithal for marriage keep themselves chaste, until God gives them means out of His grace.
And if any of your slaves ask for a deed in writing (to enable them to earn their freedom for a certain sum), give them such a deed if ye know any good in them"
and its a rule in islam if a hadith contradicts quran then the hadith is false
@TheJack1452 Qur'an (23:5-6) - "..who abstain from sex, except with those joined to them in the marriage bond, or (the captives) whom their right hands possess..."
* تفسير Tanwîr al-Miqbâs min Tafsîr Ibn ‘Abbâs
(Save from their wives) up to four wives (or the (slaves) that their right hands possess) without any limit in number, (for then they are not blameworthy) when they engage in that which is lawful,
@dickknows Qur'an (4:24) - "And all married women (are forbidden unto you) save those (captives) whom your right hands possess."
* تفسير Tanwîr al-Miqbâs min Tafsîr Ibn ‘Abbâs
(And all married women (are forbidden unto you save those (captives) whom your right hands possess) of captives, even if they have husbands in the Abode of War
@dickknows where IS your GODDAMNED PROVE for god's sake stop being so fucking incompetent and i fucking gave you names to look up so did you ? fuck why do i ask maybe u know one of them as Avicenna he is "ibn sina" and you fuckers latinized his name out of spite and we "would still be collecting camel dung for fuel if it were not" for ISLAM a desert nomadic people did so much in so little time but haters gonna hate also isnt your economies crumbling and 46 percent of USA unemployed
@dickknows and it wasnt jews or christians it was persian converts due to baghdad being so close to persia and please if your not going to provide prove refrain from responding you are embarrassing yourself "never have i debated an ignorant and won" fits u perfectly the extent at which u have been brainwashed is incredible truly i stand at awe that people like u still exist u've likely never read an actual book just second hand information fabricated and you are one to talk with cont
@dickknows about slavery fully knowing what the trans atlantic slavery did to people and forgetting how much islam limited slavery and regulated it to the extent where a slave and his master must eat from the same table and the same food ;that the slave can file a complaint and be freed if abused... here w w w .bbc. c o . u k /religion/religions/islam/history/slavery_1. s h t m l
@TheJack1452 Islam never limited slavery. The last nations on earth that abolished slavery were Islamic. And it was only after the formation of the United Nations and under the pressure from them.
1948: UN Article 4 of the Declaration of Human Rights bans slavery globally
1952: Qatar abolishes slavery
.1960: Niger
1962: Saudi Arabia
1962: Yemen
1963: United Arab Emirates
1970: Oman
1981: Mauritania
So again it was the West that influenced the development of the most basic human rights!
@TheJack1452 Why are you deflecting to the unemployment rate when the Islamic worlds illiteracy rate is around 65%?
Its irrelevant when those nations did, the fact remains that the last nations on earth to abolish slavery were Islamic. Tunesia could have been the first. I dont care. Thats a red herring and a non sequaitar.
And the Ottoman Empire committed the Genocide against the Armenians that was the template for the Holocaust! Anything else Mr Delusion?
@nayiabhishek Aisha was engaged to prophet when she was 9 yrs old and married at 12, she moved to Mohammad's home at 17 when in that time in Arabia, the accepted age was 15 yrs for a woman. And based on the definition of a pedophile, Mohammad does not pass as one. He married Khadija when he was 25 and she was 40. He did not have any wives until her death. That was when Mohammad married Aisha, and others (almost all wives were widows so he married them to support them).
@Broadcaster17 Muhhamad did married with aisha because, aisha has said she was playing with her dolls and she didn't know whats goin to happen when muhhamad entered in her room. at that time she was clearly nine. its written in the scriptures.
@nayiabhishek i never rejected muhammad married with aisha but he never had intimate relations with her until she was old enough. if you are talking about free will, then i'd like to tell you that most women here in the eastern countries do not go into intimate relationships to see who's fit for marriage. we trust our elder's decisions, aisha did not have complains against muhammad, she always had free will, Islam allows a woman to seek divorce if she wishes to, read the quran
@Broadcaster17 what free will ur talking about. that little baby had no idea what is marriage.
when muhhamad entered in her room and aisha was playing with her dolls. she also told she didn't know what is going to happen. she had absolutely no idea as she was a small innocent child and she was not old enough.
C'mon, we are talking about a 9 year old little baby with dolls.
@nayiabhishek 1. looking at muhammad's history of marriages, he was married to a 40 yr old woman when he was 25, he remained with her till her death which clearly signifies that he wasn't obssessed with sex even though he could have married other woman. clearly he was not a pedophile (marrying a very young girl aisha doesn't pass you as a pedophile unless you are deprived of sexual relations, that clearly isn't the case with muhammad)
@nayiabhisheZ Joseph married virgin mary at 12 years of age and he was 90 so why the double standards ? 1400 years ago times were different try to think for once an easy answer isn't necessarily the right one
@nayiabhishek 2. do not judge muhammad based on the culture and societal norms that exist today. marrying a girl that age was the norm in the societies at that time. looking at the fact that most of muhammad's other wives were widows even at the age of 23 to 30, you can guess that they had been married at a very early age. no one had a problem with this early marriage in that time. the social constructs we have created today did not exist in that time.
@nayiabhishek you can see the nature of these social constructs even today, there are traditions and values in every culture, the eastern culture varies from the western culture. the european culture varies from the british as well as the american. why don't people in the east today marry girls at such an age? it's because of the norms, it is not practised today. if you have issues why not read muhammad by john davenport, he has done a brilliant analysis on this.
@Broadcaster17 cant u make the math ? she died at 58 the prophet married her at 25 and married after a year of her death to a widow at 40 then aisha so that she raises her so 40-25 is 15 and 58-15 is 43 she was 43-1 its 42 years old.so the most beloved of his wifes was an adult and all others were political and humanitarian besides aisha which was god's command and she ended up leading the muslims and pillar for islam and the ummah with the most notable hadtihs coming from her
@nayiabhishek dude she was already engaged she knew alright it was the damn norm kids matured faster scientifically proven as can be seen in the case wherein a 9 year old got pregnant in china u know why ? she was fucking mature enough to be pregnant and in islam a girl must be both mentally and physically mature for marriage as was the case for Aisha and she is called "mother of the muslims" if she was raped she would have been dysfunctional not the greatest hadith reporter
When America nuked the two Japanese cities they killed 140,000+ innocent people. Another 2 million died in the next 5 years. They have bombed civilians of
A fatwa against terror is a fatwa against Muhammad! See for yourself:
Muhammad said, ‘I was made victorious with terror. The earth was made a place for me to clean. I was given the most powerful words. Booty was made lawful for me. I was given the power to intercede. These five privileges were awarded to no prophet before me.’ Ishaq 326
@Aristotelezz Ishaq is only sold on Amazon LOL. I'll rewrite a brilliant answer made in a yahoo forum by another person: "Al-Tabari (in his books) did not take an oath to write down only authentic stories, but he took an oath to write down the stories with their chain of narrators, false or true stories." Same goes for Ibn-e-Ishaq. They were not authentic collectors, they collected them for researchers and scholars.
@Aristotelezz ("Both of them (Ishaq and Tabari) collected narrations with the chains of narration without authentication. The reason for this is that these books were not authored for the ignorant layman, they were authored for the scholars as books of research. The authors collected "All what was said" and not "all what is authentic" so that when the scholars read the books, they research the chains of narration.") answers.yahoo. com /question/index?qid=20080923051843AAxPpHw (remove spaces)
@Aristotelezz I suggest you read Sahih Bukhari and Sahih Muslim hadiths. For a fair account of the prophet, I suggest you read what you're most likely to relate to :) "Apology to Mohammad and the Koran" by John Davenport or "Mohammad" by Thomas Carlyle. And please use tanzil.info to seek translations of the Quran (it provides all the translations).
@ffairlane57 Hi ffairlane57- I am a non-Muslim American. I believe you addressed your query in the assumption that I am a Muslim.... which is inaccurate. I will say that I do know that there are Muslims who are not killing people and you cannot condemn an entire group of people for the acts of a few. Just as in the U.S.A. you are innocent until proven guilty. I am responding on July 4th... Happy Independence Day!
In the end I think only Muslims can defeat Al'Qaeda. Who else could infiltrate? These people are the only people who can bring justice to "Islamic" terrorists. They want justice as much as America wants justice, they have been affected the most by terrorism. Hopefully, as a New Yorker, I can go to sleep one day knowing the world will still be here tomorrow. This Fatwa is a big step in the right direction.
do you have more? because you just pull out all of those out of context, and you dileberately left out the rest of it, for instance surah 9:1-37, not just surah 9:29!!! same goes for surah 2: 191, because if you read surah 2: 190-193 its telling muslims NOT TO ATTACK FIRST!!!!! SO PULL OUT AS MANY AS YOU PLEASE, YOU DONT WANT TO READ THE REST WITH GOOD, REASON: IT EXPOSES YOUR IGNORANCE AND HATRED!!!
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You know why he was going to be killed. Because he didnt wait to see if theo woman was preganant. This hadith does not disprove the Quran,. hadith or tafsirs!
Nice try though, but quite pathetic!
Who abstain from sex, Except with those joined to them in the marriage bond, or (the captives) whom their right hands possess,- for (in their case) they are free from blame,
Qur'an 23:5-6
dickknows 1 month ago
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* تفسير Tafsir al-Jalalayn
{ إِلاَّ عَلَىٰ أَزْوَاجِهِمْ أَوْ مَا مَلَكَتْ أَيْمَانُهُمْ فَإِنَّهُمْ غَيْرُ مَلُومِينَ }
except from their spouses, that is, to their spouses, and what [slaves] their right hands possess, that is, concubines, for then they are not blameworthy, in having sexual intercourse with them.
dickknows 1 month ago
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* تفسير Tafsir al-Jalalayn
And, forbidden to you are, wedded women, those with spouses, that you should marry them before they have left their spouses, be they Muslim free women or not; save what your right hands own, of captured [slave] girls, whom you may have sexual intercourse with, even if they should have spouses among the enemy camp, but only after they have been absolved of the possibility of pregnancy
dickknows 1 month ago
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* تفسير Tanwîr al-Miqbâs min Tafsîr Ibn ‘Abbâs
(And all married women (are forbidden unto you save those (captives) whom your right hands possess) of captives, even if they have husbands in the Abode of War, after ascertaining that they are not pregnant
Tafsir Ibn 'Abbas, trans. Mokrane Guezzou
© 2012 Royal Aal al-Bayt Institute for Islamic Thought, Amman, Jordan
dickknows 1 month ago
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Some of the Companions of the Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) were reluctant to have intercourse with the female captives in the presence of their husbands who were unbelievers. So Allah, the Exalted, sent down the Qur’anic verse: (Sura 4:24) "And all married women (are forbidden) unto you save those (captives) whom your right hands possess." (Abu Dawud 2150, also Muslim 3433)
dickknows 1 month ago
Sahih Muslim
Book 015, Number 4112:
'Imran b. Husain reported that a person who had no other property emancipated six slaves of his at the time of his death. Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) called for them and divided them into three sections, cast lots amongst them, and set two free and kept four in slavery; and he (the Holy Prophet) spoke severely of him.
So Mohamed re enslaved them. Can you imagine your freedom is resting on a game of rock, paper, scissors? LOL! How pathetic!
dickknows 1 month ago
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Tafsir al-Jalalayn
And, forbidden to you are, wedded women, those with spouses, that you should marry them before they have left their spouses, be they Muslim free women or not; save what your right hands own, of captured [slave] girls, whom you may have sexual intercourse with, even if they should have spouses among the enemy camp, but only after they have been absolved of the possibility of pregnancy
WOW ALL YOUR SCHOLARS DISAGREE WITH YOU AND AGREE WITH ME! AMAZING!
dickknows 1 month ago
Now lets take this for example.
Some of the Companions of the Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) were reluctant to have intercourse with the female captives in the presence of their husbands who were unbelievers. So Allah, the Exalted, sent down the Qur’anic verse: (Sura 4:24) "And all married women (are forbidden) unto you save those (captives) whom your right hands possess." (Abu Dawud 2150, also Muslim 3433)
dickknows 1 month ago
@dickknows So you trying to convince me that the men and women that are taken captive want you to have sex with their wives and themselves in the presenece of their husbands?
The married womens husbands are right their and captive along with their wives. And most likely many of their friends and family have been slaughtered in the battle. They arent just going to give up, especially the men because the entire female part of their family is in jeopardy of being raped. U R willfully ignorant!
dickknows 1 month ago
@dickknows So are you going to try and tell me that If I went to battle with you and your family and friends, and after a battle those that survived, along with their husbands and family, that they are going to want to have sex with me?
Do you know of any people that would do that? Is that your interpretation of humanity?
How about your wife, Mother, Grandmother, sister, nieces, cousins, and daughters. Do you think they would want to fuck me? You are out of your mind, and you disgust me!
dickknows 1 month ago
@dickknows funny coming from u but then again hypocrites doo have their way with words so go read up on who malik ibn anas is then come talk to me just an imam and you think u know islam give me a break now as for as consent or not u seem to have no proof all the hadith says is a certain person had sex with another one and since raping them is haram then there is consent not my problem why and how maybe politically to save their deceiving tribe again not my problem -continuation -
TheJack1452 1 month ago
@dickknows all i know is whatever tribe they belonged to was one of the 3 that betrayed the treaty of medina and one tried to assassinate the prophet the other held arms and joined quraish and the last one on of their men tried to rape a muslim gir someone defended her and killed him the other tribve people joined up and killed the latter and their trible refused to explain what happened and rejected seing the prophet and launched war and remeber any slave can demand hs freedom and
TheJack1452 1 month ago
@TheJack1452 and get it should there be any abuse against him so why are we discussing this ? and now all sheikh agree that slavery can be exchanged by POW camps which they did not have back in the day and more importantly in that time only a few remained as slaves most were ransomed others freed as a good deed and in umar's time they taught 10 people something from their culture they were set free so give any other civilization that was as humane with slaves as muslims ? continued
TheJack1452 1 month ago
@dickknows The Islamic prophet Muhammad encouraged manumission of slaves, even if one had to purchase them first. On many occasions, Muhammad's companions, at his direction, freed slaves in abundance. Muhammad personally freed 63 slaves, and his wife Aisha freed 67.[32] In total his household and friends freed 39,237 slaves
(Human Rights in Islam'. Published by The Islamic Foundation (1976) - Leicester,U.K)
(Nadvi (2000),pg. 453) this is only what was in one way or another documented
TheJack1452 1 month ago
@TheJack1452 There is no regulation on taking more slaves. Perhaps they freed some after taking more!
Bukhari (80:753) - "The Prophet said, 'The freed slave belongs to the people who have freed him.'"
"The Prophet had suddenly attacked Bani Mustaliq without warning while they were heedless and their cattle were being watered at the places of water. Their fighting men were killed and their women and children were taken as captives" (Bukhari 46:717)
dickknows 1 month ago
@dickknows man u are full of it !!! did u see why this attack happened (in a non hate site) huh ? well no they were totally innocent jeez grow up :
islamic-replies. u c o z . c o m /2/Rebut_Muhammad_Wars_Self_Defense. h tm l
TheJack1452 1 month ago
@TheJack1452
But your complaing about the treatment of criminals at Abu Graib. Shouldnt you want them punished? Or is it ok for them to commit crime and murder because they are Muslim.
And I am not full of it. You are. Your a hypocrite and a bigot. I dont care what race or religion a crimnal is. I want him punished. You on the other hand want the Muslim murderer to go free because he is killing kufre! You disgust me!
dickknows 1 month ago
@dickknows man you make me laugh so hard its ridiculous i mean who says they are criminals ? and according to whom ? if they truly are put them in trial and get the harshest punishments for them they deserve it but why rape and torture them ? u who speak of humanity and "being humane " i mean why attack islam on this principal when your own line of thinking is "they are bad they deserve everything" i can say the same thing and you'd call me a fanatic then arent you one ?
TheJack1452 1 month ago
@TheJack1452 It's irrelevant. I dont know anything about rape. And if they did, its against the law. They are criminals you imbecile. That is not the policy to rape anyone, unlike in Islam that permits rape and adultery with captives.
I never said they deserve to be raped. Where did I say that you imbecile? They deserve punishment, imprisonment. I do not condone rape nor does the government! But Islam does. Either you cant read or your a complete moron!
dickknows 1 month ago
@dickknows dude calm down sorry if i broke your bubble there ,you are probably one of the few who dont know of what happened in that prison in fact thats why i mentioned it in the first place not because its a preson but because of what goes on inside and as i said time and time again and u failed to debunk islam does not permit rape and adultry ( you know the "Anas ibn malik article ) u should read it and see who this sheikh he is a contemporary of the prophet and when u said they--
TheJack1452 1 month ago
Proclaiming a victory does not mean it occurred! I refuted every single thing you said.
RAPE AND ADULTERY!
Some of the Companions of the Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) were reluctant to have intercourse with the female captives in the presence of their husbands who were unbelievers. So Allah, the Exalted, sent down the Qur’anic verse: (Sura 4:24) "And all married women (are forbidden) unto you save those (captives) whom your right hands possess." (Abu Dawud 2150, also Muslim 3433)
dickknows 1 month ago
@dickknows you are delusional u didnt even know who anas ibn malik was !!! and this
" And women already married, except those whom your right hands possess (iv. 24)" (i. e. they were lawful for them when their 'Idda period came to an end). do u know what idda is ? its the time after a divorce or death of the husband that wife needs before marring again so if they had to wait for idda it means a marriage was going to happen otherwise its unnecessary
TheJack1452 1 month ago
@TheJack1452 YEah they had to wait to rape them until after they made sure that they were not pregnant! So WHAT!
I am going to invade your coutry, take your wife, Mother, Sisters, and daughters wait to make sure they are not pregnant and then rape them.
It is not specific to divorce. How can you force someone to get a divorce. So by the act of capturing someone you automatically make them divorce? Thats even more evil. Read ayat 23 5-6 and 70 29-30/ It contradicts your lies!
dickknows 1 month ago
@dickknows Qur'an (23:5-6) - "..who abstain from sex, except with those joined to them in the marriage bond, or (the captives) whom their right hands possess..."
* تفسير Tanwîr al-Miqbâs min Tafsîr Ibn ‘Abbâs
(Save from their wives) up to four wives (or the (slaves) that their right hands possess) without any limit in number, (for then they are not blameworthy) when they engage in that which is lawful,
dickknows 1 month ago
@dickknows
* تفسير Tafsir al-Jalalayn
And, forbidden to you are, wedded women, those with spouses, that you should marry them before they have left their spouses, be they Muslim free women or not; save what your right hands own, of captured [slave] girls, whom you may have sexual intercourse with, even if they should have spouses among the enemy camp, but only after they have been absolved of the possibility of pregnancy
WOW ALL YOUR SCHOLARS DISAGREE WITH YOU AND AGREE WITH ME! AMAZING!
dickknows 1 month ago
@dickknows u keep cherry picking bitch show me a fucking consensus and since there isnt none u may choose who u want to follow bitch and nikah mutah entirely with slaves and other muslims is only in shia so i mentioned it to explain differences of opinions second u sure are getting jumpy whats the matter feeling tight in the chest ? thats the feeling whenu get owned brother second like my article showed when she gets captured and her husband isnt there she is divorced from him---
TheJack1452 1 month ago
@dickknows and if he is there then not unless she divorces him by herself and many agree on this second here is your entire argument summed up:
Islam allows sex with female slaves (i agree with this to a certain point)
its inconceivable that a slave would accept accept having sex with her captive
so islam allows rape
but your fault is that u assume too much first all your narration fail to prove:
- How many Muslim captors decided to go through with having sex with the slave girls.
TheJack1452 1 month ago
@dickknows - How many women actually ended up having sex with their Muslim captors.
- Most importantly, whether any slave girls were raped
and you are ignorant of history, for slave girls did consensually have sex with their captors:
John McClintock said
Women who followed their father and husbands to the war put on their finest dresses and ornaments previous to an engagement, in the hope of finding favor in the eyes of their captors in case of a defeat.
TheJack1452 1 month ago
@dickknows (John McClintock, James Strong, “Cyclopædia of Biblical, Theological, and Ecclesiastical Literature” [Harper & Brothers, 1894 ] , p. 782)
Matthew B. Schwartz said:
The Book of Deuteronomy prescribes its own rules for the treatment of women captured in war [ Deut 21:10-14 ] … Women have always followed armies to do the soldiers’ laundry, to nurse the sick and wounded, and to serve as prostitutes
They would often dress in such a way as to attract the soldiers who won the
TheJack1452 1 month ago
@dickknows battle. The Bible recognizes the realities of the battle situation in its rules on how to treat female captives, though commentators disagree on some of the details.
The biblical Israelite went to battle as a messenger of God. Yet he could also, of course, be caught up in the raging tide of blood and violence. The Western mind associates prowess, whether military or athletic, with sexual success.
TheJack1452 1 month ago
@dickknows The pretty girls crowd around the hero who scores the winning touchdown, not around the players of the losing team. And it is certainly true in war: the winning hero "attracts" the women. (Matthew B. Schwartz, Kalman J. Kaplan, "The Fruit of Her Hands: The Psychology of Biblical Women" [ Wm. B. Eerdmans Publishing, 2007 ] , pp. 146-147) thus we see from two non muslim scholars that slave women back in the past would consent to having sex with their captors.
TheJack1452 1 month ago
@dickknows So if we put aside our21st century mindset and look at history
there is nothing wrong with saying that slave girls back then consented to having sex with their captors.so if you say that not all the women felt this way and there was bound to be some who didn’t want to have sex,Iwould agree with you.However, how does this prove that the Muslims raped slave girls?How do you know whether the Muslim back then actually raped the slave girl who was unwilling to have sex with him?
TheJack1452 1 month ago
@dickknows Isn’t it also possible that the Muslim might have bought another slave girl who was willing? Yes that it possible. How does David know that this didn’t happen? What is his proof that they raped them? Imam Al Shafi’ one of our most respected classical scholars said in Kitab al Umm, Volume 3, page 253 said that if someone kidnaps a slave girl and rapes her must face punishment (flogging if he was single and stoning if he was married).
TheJack1452 1 month ago
@dickknows Al Shanqeeti, one of our most respected modern Maaliki scholars said in Zaad Al Mustanq'i, Volume 9, page 335 the same exact thing.
and this hadtih :from Harun bin Al-Asam who said: Umar bin al-Khatab may Allah be pleased with him sent Khalid bin al-Walid in an army, hence Khalid sent Dharar bin al-Auwzwar in a squadron and they invaded a district belonging to the tribe of Bani Asad. They then captured a pretty bride,
TheJack1452 1 month ago
@dickknows Dharar liked her hence he asked his companions to grant her to him and they did so. He then had sexual intercourse with her, when he completed his mission he felt guilty, and went to Khalid and told him about what he did. Khalid said: 'I permit you and made it lawful to you.' He said: 'No not until you write a message to Umar'. (Then they sent a message to Umar) and Umar answered that he (Dharar) should be stoned
TheJack1452 1 month ago
@dickknows . By the time Umar's message was delivered, Dharar was dead. (Khalid) said: 'Allah didn't want to disgrace Dharar' so this deals a fatal blow to your argument friend that is unless you dont know who umar ibn al khattab is then well you would be pretty pathetic
TheJack1452 1 month ago
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@TheJack1452 BWAHAHAHA! Now you want to bombard me in the hopes that it will look like a refutation? You and Islam are exposed!
"O Allah's Apostle! We get female captives as our share of booty, and we are interested in their prices, what is your opinion about coitus interruptus?" The Prophet said, "Do you really do that? It is better for you not to do it. No soul that which Allah has destined to exist, but will surely come into existence.” (Bukhari 34:432)
dickknows 1 month ago
@dickknows and this sort of marriage is called nikah mtaah here w w w .quranexplorer. c o m /Hadith/English/Hadith/muslim/008.3433. h tm l Narrated Abu Burda's father: Allah's Apostle said, any man who has a slave girl whom he educates properly, teaches good manners, manumits and marries her, will get a double reward And if any man of the people of the Scriptures believes in his own prophet and then believes in me too, he will (also) get a double reward
TheJack1452 1 month ago
@TheJack1452 BWAHAHAHA! I mhuta marriage is an arrangement between two Muslim people with a set price and time. Your a LIAR! And you have been refuted!
So what if you educate them. That does not take away the fact that you already raped them.
So after I rape your daughter and I educate her does that make the rape go away?
BWAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAH! You are insane! And Islam is the most evil fascist bigoted death cult on the planet!
dickknows 1 month ago
@dickknows And any slave who fulfills his duty to his master and to his Lord, will (also) get a double reward."
TheJack1452 1 month ago
@dickknows Narrated Abu Jamra: I heard Ibn Abbas (giving a verdict) when he was asked about the Mut'a with the women, and he permitted it (Nikah-al-Mut'a). On that a freed slave of his said to him, "That is only when it is very badly needed and women are scarce." On that, Ibn 'Abbas said, "Yes." (due note nikah means marriage and nikah mutaa temporary marriage one to satisfy one's self without adultry through consent and mahr before hand )
TheJack1452 1 month ago
@TheJack1452 HAHAHAH! So its ok to rape women when they are scarce? LOL!
I am not talking about Muta, I am talking about rape and adultery!
"O Allah's Apostle! We get female captives as our share of booty, and we are interested in their prices, what is your opinion about coitus interruptus?" The Prophet said, "Do you really do that? It is better for you not to do it. No soul that which Allah has destined to exist, but will surely come into existence.” (Bukhari 34:432)
dickknows 1 month ago
@dickknows
Ibn abbas reported :....The stalks left marks on his side and he was leaning on a leather pillow stuffed with date-palm fires. I greeted him and while still standing I said, 'O Allah's Apostle! Have you divorced your wives?' He looked at me and said, 'No.' I said, 'Allah Akbar!' And then, while still standing, I said chatting, 'Will you heed what I say, O Allah's Apostle?
TheJack1452 1 month ago
@TheJack1452 "We went out with Allah's Messenger (PBUH) on the expedition to the Bi'l-Mustaliq and took captive some excellent Arab women; and we desired them, for we were suffering from the absence of our wives, (but at the same time) we also desired ransom for them. So we decided to have sexual intercourse with them but by observing 'azl But we said: We are doing an act whereas Allah's Messenger is amongst us; why not ask him? he said: It does not matter" (Sahih Muslim 3371)
dickknows 1 month ago
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TheJack1452 1 month ago
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@dickknows We,the people of Quraish used to have power over our women, but when we arrived at Medina we found that the men (here) were overpowered by their women.'
so no u refuted nothing your "arguments are childs play they might win u some points with the average muslims, not me though this might surprise u , i have thoroughly enjoyed our strenuous conversation and i await your counter (do read all my replies a total of 5 )
TheJack1452 1 month ago
@dickknows continuation
deserve to be in there i assumed u meant they deserved everything they did to them there all the raping parading torture and unleashing dogs on their genitals its pretty gruesome actually
TheJack1452 1 month ago
@TheJack1452 HAHAHA! Now your telling me what I meant. See you have to lie in order to justify your ridulous statement! I Never said they deserve to be raped. Your a liar and a scum bag!
Provide the statement where I said it. You have to try and reinterpret what I say just like you do the Quran, and hadith. Your just making things up now. Prove that they unleashed dogs on their genitalks.
AND IF THEY DID, IT IS ILLEGAL AND IMMORAL! CAN YOU UNDERSTAND THAT MORON?
dickknows 1 month ago
@dickknows You say that this is the Twenty first century. But isnt the Quran for all times? ISnt Mohamed the perfect example of a man? LOL Far from it. Can you show me where these ayats were abrogated? So you are being inconsistent. And using logical fallacies. And listen imbecile we do not target civilians. We go to great lengths to ensure very few civilian casualties occur. Muslims target civilians in the streets and Markets. ALLAh Akbar BOOOOOM!!! And what is this 54% thing? 54% of what? LOL
dickknows 1 month ago
@dickknows And the people who committed crimes in Abu Graib were criminals and were prosecuted. But your own fascist death cult permits rape of captives and enslaving them! And your own death cult permits torture. And your Ummah is cutting peoples heads off, drilling holes in their heads, electrocuting them. So I take it you are for the terrorists and secular violence. Or else you wouldnt be complaining about the criminals in prison!
dickknows 1 month ago
@dickknows Bukhari
Volume 3, Book 47, Number 765:
Narrated Kurib: Maimuna bint Al-Harith told him that she manumitted a slave-girl without taking the permission of the Prophet. On the day when it was her turn to be with the Prophet, she said, "Do you know, O Allah's Apostle, that I have manumitted my slave-girl?" He said, "Have you really?" She replied in the affirmative. He said, "You would have got more reward if you had given her (i.e. the slave-girl) to one of your maternal uncles."
dickknows 1 month ago
@dickknows So as you can see Mohamed got pissed off when this woman freed her slaves. And said she would have gotten a greater reward for keeping them in captivity!
That doesnt groove with your revisionism! Why is that? So keeping them slaves actually is a greater act than freeing them! WOW AMAZING!
dickknows 1 month ago
@dickknows Sahiih Muslim
Book 015, Number 4112:
'Imran b. Husain reported that a person who had no other property emancipated six slaves of his at the time of his death. Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) called for them and divided them into three sections, cast lots amongst them, and set two free and kept four in slavery; and he (the Holy Prophet) spoke severely of him.
So Mohamed took them back and re-enslaved them because of a debt! That doesnt sound consistent with your view! LOL!
dickknows 1 month ago
@dickknows SO let me get this straight. Your complaing about what some people did ILLEGALLY at Abu Graib when your Allah permits this? Your a HYPOCRITE!
Qur'an (5:33) - "The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides..."
dickknows 1 month ago
@dickknows Muslim (16:4131) - They were caught and brought to him (the Holy Prophet). He commanded about them, and (thus) their hands and feet were cut off and their eyes were gouged and then they were thrown in the sun, until they died.
Water boarding sounds like a picnic now!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHHAHA!
dickknows 1 month ago
@dickknows Tabari VIII:122
Ishaq:515 "The Prophet gave orders concerning Kinanah to Zubayr, saying, 'Torture him until you root out and extract what he has. So Zubayr kindled a fire on Kinanah's chest, twirling it with his firestick until Kinanah was near death. Then the Messenger gave him to Maslamah, who beheaded him."
Why was Mohamed doing this? Was it for God, or booty?
OMG the Muslim mind is a fascinating congeal of hypocrisy, inconsistencies, logical fallacies, and straw man arguments
dickknows 1 month ago
@dickknows so slavery was a nessecary evil a pre-islamic one that was limited and regulated by islam
TheJack1452 1 month ago
@dickknows oh and one more thing no i dont know any people that would do that but then again this is the 21st century not the 14th and 15th century and there are no justified wars but u have goverments like america who seem in the business of killing civilians (about 54percent rate) and abu ghraib like rape style so why deal with a dead subject and not deal with things like state sponsored terrorism or the abuse of sharia in so called muslim countries? like apostasy law that has
TheJack1452 1 month ago
@dickknows no basis in the quran or sunna (the only hadith permits punishment but does in the case of apostasy coupled with treason which were synonyms back in the day and does not codify it or make it necessary and does not specify said punishment ) so in essence its pure conjecture and interpretation(this is just an example no need to fuss about it)
TheJack1452 1 month ago
Abu Dawood is burning in hell! Some of the Companions of the Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) were reluctant to have intercourse with the female captives in the presence of their husbands who were unbelievers. So Allah, the Exalted, sent down the Qur’anic verse: “And all married women (are forbidden) unto you save those (captives) whom your right hands possess.” That is to say, they are lawful for them when they complete their waiting period."
Abu Dawud 2:2150
dickknows 1 month ago
@dickknows no only you are going to here : call-to-monotheism. c o m /does_islam_permit_muslim_men_to_rape_their_slave_girls_
TheJack1452 1 month ago
@TheJack1452 You are not being consistant. You said those that are lying or disagreeing with your and your fallacious example are going to hell.
So that would mean that Ibn Abbass, Ibn Kathir, Imaam Bukhari, Abu Dawood, The Authors of Sahih Muslims, the Two Jalalayns and every scholar is going to burn in hell. Because they do not agree with you or the author of those websites!
Look I will post one again. Now tell me how Imaam Bukhari is not going to hell for disagreeing with you and them!
dickknows 1 month ago
@dickknows "We received captives from among the Arab captives and we desired women and celibacy became hard on us and we loved to do coitus interruptus. So when we intended to do coitus interrupt us, we said, 'How can we do coitus interruptus before asking Allah's Apostle who is present among us?" We asked (him) about it and he said, 'It is better for you not to do so, for if any soul (till the Day of Resurrection) is predestined to exist, it will exist."
Sahih Bukhari 5:59:459
I am consistant
dickknows 1 month ago
@dickknows Some of the Companions of the Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) were reluctant to have intercourse with the female captives in the presence of their husbands who were unbelievers. So Allah, the Exalted, sent down the Qur’anic verse: (Sura 4:24) "And all married women (are forbidden) unto you save those (captives) whom your right hands possess." (Abu Dawud 2150, also Muslim 3433)
Now who is going to hell? The greatest scholars or the people that differ from them?
dickknows 1 month ago
@dickknows u saw the website with imam malik and such ? nuff said (im a malikiits a madhab))and i dont know who is going to hell or who isnt thats up to god(unless said person is a kaffir and even then there is always a chance god will forgive) and imam bukhari was a compiler not a scholar per say he collected hadith and u need to understand the quran and hadith are unchanging but interpretations are and views differ time and time again so the quran doesnt mention neither contin
TheJack1452 1 month ago
@TheJack1452 Well if your Imaam disagrees with all of the historical scholars, hadith and Allah then they are going to hell. Or they are using taqiyya
Because there is no place in the Quran, hadith or tafsr that says you must get consent. I have never heard of getting consent from something your right hand possesses! That is preposterous! They own them. So If I defeated you in a battle would your wife, Mother,m and daughters be horny for me? Would they be lusting after me?
Willful ignorance!
dickknows 1 month ago
@dickknows consent nor lack there off along with hadith which again doesnt mention this so its our interpretation so its up to us unless there is a consensus
TheJack1452 1 month ago
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Imaam Bulhari is burning in hell!
"O Allah's Apostle! We get female captives as our share of booty, and we are interested in their prices, what is your opinion about coitus interruptus?" The Prophet said, "Do you really do that? It is better for you not to do it. No soul that which Allah has destined to exist, but will surely come into existence.” (Bukhari 34:432)
dickknows 1 month ago
The combined annual GDP of 57 Muslim countries remains under $2 trillion. America , just by herself, produces goods and services worth $10.4 trillion; China $5.7 trillion, Japan $3.5 trillion and Germany $2.1 trillion. Even India 's GDP is estimated at over $3 trillion (purchasing power parity basis). Oil rich Saudi Arabia , U.A.E., Kuwait and Qatar collectively produce goods and services (mostly oil) worth $430 billion; Netherlands alone has a higher annual GDP.
dickknows 1 month ago
@karlsmith00 did you read all my comments or not ? stop spewing hate id say the same about Joseph and marry (he was 90 she was 12) so whats your point ? that was the norm again she WAS already engaged to someone else before the prophet see a goddamn norm u dont have to like it its just what it is people 1400 or 2000 years ago are different from today's damn but if you fantasie about that as u know the details you're the freak because we are living in a different world get it ?
TheJack1452 1 month ago
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TheJack1452 1 month ago
@karlsmith00 u know what your right i dont want to reason with u.U know why ? well because you'r a dumb bastard so here is an article : w w w loonwatch c o m /2010/08/taqiyya-the-ultimate-intellectual-cop-out/ and this one
w w w loonwatch c o m /2010/08/silencing-spencer-taqiyya-and-kitman-are-part-of-judeo-christian-belief/
so be "the smart one" and read for once and use that rotting brain of yours
TheJack1452 1 month ago
So when do they plan to denounce the fatwa against Salman Rushdie?
StoogeWatcher 1 month ago
they are ready to fight terrorism by waging all out jihad and slaughteringt the infidels as prescribed in the qur'an
sabilillah 5 months ago
@sabilillah the same were sheltering Usama bin Laden
sabilillah 5 months ago
The jews and their 'american' sympathisers have no issues calling Islam evil. When actual evil is quoted to them directly from the TALMUD suddenly they become american again. It's a shame the constitution didn't require ACTIVE participation in unalienable freedom under threat of DEPORTATION.
End the fed. End the jew.
oveid 5 months ago
About time too. If Islam has anything to offer it has to get its own house in order. India is the best place for such a movement to flourish and people the world over have great respect for Indians. The problem remains, what about the teachings of the Koran itself? Many people around the world have begun to read it and are appalled by it and its imperialist message and bloodthirsty strategy.
ritchloui 5 months ago
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@ritchloui
If you have seen "Lessons in hate and violence" (Channel 4, Dispatches), you will be wondering how it still is possible that most of the "Deobandi" mosques in Britain (ca half of all registered mosques over there) are under suspicion of teaching sedition-promoting material.
Wrath0fKhan 5 months ago
@ritchloui really ??? man must have missed the news and do u care to share with us these "teachings" that is verses i presume and in context otherwise u should with all due respect STFU ignorant fool
TheJack1452 1 month ago
@TheJack1452 Ah yes, the usual Muslim strategy, one mustn't take Koranic verses 'out of context', then when that is debunked, they say, it's a matter of 'interpretation' and when that is debunked they say, oh well you have to read it in Arabic, and when that is debunked they then say your're being 'racist' 'anit-Muslim' 'Islamophobic, and when that is debunked they say it's 'blasphemous'. Read the Hadiths, they make Islam's slave based underbelly crystal clear.
ritchloui 1 month ago
@ritchloui what the hell are u going on about u showed me no context to begin with and forgive if if im wrong but isnt context essentielle to just about anything ? i mean without it u could turn a children's book into some sick twisted book ? SO FIND THE CONTEXT YOURSELF then all u seem to think u know will be challenged and u cant debunk a context u ignorant fool or do u feel smart using big words what a couch hugging douche !! go read books essays hear all version and find the truth
TheJack1452 1 month ago
@TheJack1452 The context is the self-evident tyranny and idiocy of Islam. "How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries, improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live". Churchill 1899
ritchloui 1 month ago
@ritchloui ah this amazing so he said it must be true well here is a discussion :
mises. o r g /daily/1450 still u dont mention the context u probably dont know it oh poor u, you had to quote someone to feel good about your ignorance the"they said it it must be true" position is a sad one indeed and pathetic so Churchill's lapdog go and fetch another hate quote im waiting and maybe take look at what islam accomplished in the golden age and where your ancestors were
TheJack1452 1 month ago
@TheJack1452 LOL. You've fallen for that old lie about the so called 'Islamic Golden Age'. Hahaha. What is even funnier is that the West, who as you are aware were MILES behind. Of course the Muslims say nothing of the people who had preserved the Ancient Greek, Persian, Indian work for 1,000 years before Islam, nor who translated it into Arabic, nor that their own progress ended 1,000 years ago. When the light of knowledge passed to the Europeans they changed the world within 100 years. HAHAHA
ritchloui 1 month ago
@ritchloui see u just set a record of ignorance every credible person regardless of study field recognizes the golden age and it was muslims who preserved and translated the works most notably in "beit al hikma" 'the house of knowledge ' and we are at our current state partly to our own fault and partly because of the colonization movement and the setting of dictator puppets by the west and FYI its not 100 years (why do i even try) its after 17th century called the "Renaissance "
TheJack1452 1 month ago
@TheJack1452 First, the Muslim world benefited greatly from the Greek sciences, which were translated for them by Christians and Jews. To their credit, Muslims did a better job of preserving Greek text than did the Europeans of the time, and this became the foundation for their own knowledge. (One large reason for this, however, was that access by Christians to this part of their world was cut off by Muslim slave ships and coastal raids that dominated the Mediterranean during this period).
dickknows 1 month ago
@dickknows Secondly, many of the scientific advances credited to Islam were actually “borrowed” from other cultures conquered by the Muslims. The algebraic concept of “zero”, for example, is erroneously attributed to Islam when, in fact, it was a Hindu discovery that was merely introduced to the West by Muslims.
dickknows 1 month ago
@dickknows In truth, conquered populations contributed greatly to the history of “Muslim science” until gradually being decimated by conversion to Islam (under the pressures of dhimmitude). The Muslim concentration within a population is proportional to the decline of scientific achievement. It is no accident that the Muslim world has had little to show for itself in the last 800 years or so, since running out of new civilizations to cannibalize.
dickknows 1 month ago
@dickknows incredible how easy it is to provide unsubstantiated facts man i mean to disregard the entire works of an empire that stretched from the Arabian peninsula to china out of pure hate is unbelievable so please search "ibn sina" "ibn al haithum"" ibn khuldun" "ibn al jazzar" and read this site :w w w .muslimphilosophy. c o m /ip/intgkp.htm and dont forget algebra is attributed to "al Khwarizmi" who by taking greek works to another level made algebra what it is today continued
TheJack1452 1 month ago
@TheJack1452 Everything I said is a fact. What Empire are you referring to? The Muslim Empire that invaded , raped and plundered its way throughout the Middle East, Africa, and Europe? Tell me what has the Islamic world had to show for itself in the last 800 years since it was stopped from cannibalizing other nations and cultures. They would still be collecting camel dung for fuel if it were not for the West creating the technology such as the combustion engine and the way to refine it.
dickknows 1 month ago
@dickknows By the time of Plato, Greek mathematics had undergone a drastic change. The Greeks created a geometric algebra where terms were represented by sides of geometric objects, usually lines, that had letters associated with them.[1] Diophantus (3rd century AD), sometimes called "the father of algebra", was an Alexandrian Greek mathematician and the author of a series of books called Arithmetica.
dickknows 1 month ago
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TheJack1452 1 month ago
@TheJack14 I just gave you the evidence that refuted you. What are you talking about? The last nations on the planet EARTH to abolish slavery were Islamic, and it was only after the UN forced them to. What more evidence do you want? Your suffering from serious delusion! Isnt it a fact that since Islamic countries have been stopped from invading and cannibalizing other nations there has been nothing of significance to come from them? The unemplyoment rate is around 8.5%
THATS THE EVIDENCE! DUH!
dickknows 1 month ago
@dickknows the usa has 46% unemployment rate so what ? and read my last post so u can see your bs blowup at your own face
TheJack1452 1 month ago
@TheJack1452 The Unemployment rate is around 8.5% Google it. And the Netherlands has a higher DGP than all 57 Islamic nations put together. And the U.S economy is one of the strongest in the world. Go see how much we give to Islamic countries every year in donations!
Islamic Research Foundation International, Inc.
In spite of comparable levels of development the mean rate for literacy for the Muslims is 35 per cent lower than that for the Third World
dickknows 1 month ago
@dickknows iteracy rate is higher among the youth than adults. Youth literacy rate (ages 15–24) in the Arab region increased from 63.9 to 76.3 % from 1990 to 2002. The average rate of GCC States Cooperation Council for the Arab States of the Gulf (GCC) was 94 %, followed by the Maghreb at 83.2% and the Mashriq at 73.6 % rest is here : e n .wikipedia. o r g /wiki/Arab_world and i acknowledge my mistake regarding the unemployment rate (im man enough to do it) what about u and slavery?
TheJack1452 1 month ago
@TheJack1452 Islamic Research Foundation International, Inc.
The average literacy rate for Muslims of the world is around 38 percent and in rural areas in Muslim countries, the illiteracy rate among Muslim women is 93 to 97 per cent. In spite of comparable levels of development the mean rate for literacy for the Muslims is 35 per cent lower than that for the Third World, and 40 percent below the world’s average. The data suggests that almost two-thirds of the Muslims worldwide are illiterate.
dickknows 1 month ago
@dickknows What about me and slavery? I didnt make any mistake. I presented the facts. What facts do you think that I presented were incorrect? I can present the data information to you. The last natiuons on earth to abolish slavery were Islamic. That is fact. And Islam NEVER abolished slavery! And permits rape and adultery of captives!
Qur'an (23:5-6) - "..who abstain from sex, except with those joined to them in the marriage bond, or (the captives) whom their right hands possess..."
dickknows 1 month ago
@dickknows read the fucking bbc article and what about : 1846: Tunisia abolishes slavery
1847: Ottoman Empire abolishes slave trade from Africa
"Sunan Abu-Dawud":
Book 12, Number 2304: , Narrated Jabir ibn Abdullah
Musaykah, a slave-girl of some Ansari, came and said: My master forces me to commit fornication. Thereupon the following verse was revealed: "But force not your maids to prostitution (when they desire chastity)."
TheJack1452 1 month ago
@TheJack1452 That is irrelevant. Good for tunesia.
Just because Tunesia ended slavery in 1846 does not mean that the last nations on the planet to abolish slavery were not Islamic. It does not displace the fact you fucking imbecile!And that hadith is about prostitution. not sex with the slave master. OMg you are in complete and total denial and delusion! Just because they forbid prostitution does not mean they forbid the owners having sex with captives and slaves Your an imbecile!
dickknows 1 month ago
@dickknows its tunisia and the ottoman empire dumb fuck and as a rule of thumb if u assert something unequivocally then turns out you are wrong makes your argument invalid .about slavery again :w w w .answering-christianity. c o m /umar/slave_girls. h t m
muslim-responses. c o m /Slave_girls_in_Islam_/Slave_girls_in_Islam_ and on a final note i dont care what u think in fact if it were a part of islam still wont matter as its a dead subject to our present but it isnt a part of it
TheJack1452 1 month ago
@TheJack1452 HAHAAH! What did I assert unequivically that was incorrect?
THE FACT IS THAT THE LAST NATIONS ON EARTH TO ABOLISH SLAVERY WERE ISLAMIC. THATS A FACT YOU STUPID PIECE OF SHIT.
1952: Qatar abolishes slavery
1960: Niger abolishes slavery (though it was not made illegal until 2003)[54]
1962: Saudi Arabia abolishes slavery
1962: Yemen abolishes slavery
1963: United Arab Emirates
1970: Oman
1981: Mauritania
YOU ARE A MENTAL CASE!
dickknows 1 month ago
@dickknows
Bukhari (59:637) - "The Prophet sent Ali to Khalid to bring the Khumus (of the booty) and I hated Ali, and Ali had taken a bath (after a sexual act with a slave-girl from the Khumus).
Qur'an (8:69) - "But (now) enjoy what ye took in war, lawful and good"
Qur'an (23:5-6) - "..who abstain from sex, except with those joined to them in the marriage bond, or (the captives) whom their right hands possess..."
dickknows 1 month ago
@dickknows a slave woman does not have the right to refuse her master’s requests unless she has a valid excuse. If she does that she is being disobedient and he has the right to discipline her in whatever manner he thinks is appropriate and is allowed in sharee’ah.
And Allaah knows best.
Islam Q&A, Fatwa No. 33597
dickknows 1 month ago
@dickknows did you read the articles i gave you ? (and BTW islam Q&A is an extremist site a wahabi one at that and still accept that a female slave can refuse to do something with a valid excuse )
TheJack1452 1 month ago
@TheJack1452 YEah and the article is irrelevant. I could refute all of it with factual evidence. It is all a lie. I presented the evidence that refutes it! Your in total denail of reality!
Yes but the Quran, hadith and tafsir say that even being married is not a valid excuse!
Tafsir Ibn Abbass
(And all married women (are forbidden unto you save those (captives) whom your right hands possess) of captives, even if they have husbands in the Abode of War.
You want Islam to be something its not!
dickknows 1 month ago
@dickknows "Some of the Companions of the Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) were reluctant to have intercourse with the female captives in the presence of their husbands who were unbelievers. So Allah, the Exalted, sent down the Qur’anic verse: (Sura 4:24) "And all married women (are forbidden) unto you save those (captives) whom your right hands possess." (Abu Dawud 2150, also Muslim 3433)
dickknows 1 month ago
@dickknows "O Allah's Apostle! We get female captives as our share of booty, and we are interested in their prices, what is your opinion about coitus interruptus?" The Prophet said, "Do you really do that? It is better for you not to do it. No soul that which Allah has destined to exist, but will surely come into existence.” (Bukhari 34:432)
dickknows 1 month ago
"We went out with Allah's Messenger (PBUH) on the expedition to the Bi'l-Mustaliq and took captive some excellent Arab women; and we desired them, for we were suffering from the absence of our wives, (but at the same time) we also desired ransom for them. So we decided to have sexual intercourse with them but by observing 'azl We are doing an act whereas Allah's Messenger is amongst us; why not ask him? So we asked Allah's Messenger (PBUH), and he said: It does not matter" (Sahih Muslim 3371)
dickknows 1 month ago
@dickknows no u didn't because first they are two articles second they mention with details everything including married slaves and u do know that a single opinion is worthless there needs to be an actual consensus on something and most importantly this subect is of no concern to me in fact i coudnt careless if it was true. i would accept it as a decree from god but it isnt thats the problem and i hate those who propagate lies and deceit your is the eternal abode in hell brother
TheJack1452 1 month ago
@TheJack1452 So your saying a modern apologist abrogates the Quran, hadith and all of your early classic and most respected scholars? They are lying, revisionist Muslim trying to fool the foolish like yourself. Mohamed said it does not matter. And all of the evidence proves it. You are willfully ignorant and easily deceived! If you hate those that propagate lies about Islam you should hate the people that made that website! Because they are giving opinion without substantiation! I give facts!
dickknows 1 month ago
@TheJack1452 So I guess Ibn Abbass is going to hell! And the two Jalalayns, and Imaam Bukhari, Authers of Sahih Muslim, Abu Dawood and every other Islamic scholar are burning in hell!
* تفسير Tanwîr al-Miqbâs min Tafsîr Ibn ‘Abbâs
(And all married women (are forbidden unto you save those (captives) whom your right hands possess) of captives, even if they have husbands in the Abode of War
Abd Allah ibn Abbas (Arabic: عبد الله ابن عباس) was a paternal cousin of the Islamic prophet Muhammad.
dickknows 1 month ago
@TheJack1452
dickknows 1 month ago
@dickknows Verse 24:33 "Let those who find not the wherewithal for marriage keep themselves chaste, until God gives them means out of His grace.
And if any of your slaves ask for a deed in writing (to enable them to earn their freedom for a certain sum), give them such a deed if ye know any good in them"
and its a rule in islam if a hadith contradicts quran then the hadith is false
TheJack1452 1 month ago
@TheJack1452 Qur'an (23:5-6) - "..who abstain from sex, except with those joined to them in the marriage bond, or (the captives) whom their right hands possess..."
* تفسير Tanwîr al-Miqbâs min Tafsîr Ibn ‘Abbâs
(Save from their wives) up to four wives (or the (slaves) that their right hands possess) without any limit in number, (for then they are not blameworthy) when they engage in that which is lawful,
You are willfully ignorant, or just plain dumb!
dickknows 1 month ago
@dickknows Qur'an (4:24) - "And all married women (are forbidden unto you) save those (captives) whom your right hands possess."
* تفسير Tanwîr al-Miqbâs min Tafsîr Ibn ‘Abbâs
(And all married women (are forbidden unto you save those (captives) whom your right hands possess) of captives, even if they have husbands in the Abode of War
Tafsir Ibn 'Abbas, trans. Mokrane Guezzou
© 2012 Royal Aal al-Bayt Institute for Islamic Thought, Amman, Jordan
dickknows 1 month ago
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@dickknows where IS your GODDAMNED PROVE for god's sake stop being so fucking incompetent and i fucking gave you names to look up so did you ? fuck why do i ask maybe u know one of them as Avicenna he is "ibn sina" and you fuckers latinized his name out of spite and we "would still be collecting camel dung for fuel if it were not" for ISLAM a desert nomadic people did so much in so little time but haters gonna hate also isnt your economies crumbling and 46 percent of USA unemployed
TheJack1452 1 month ago
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TheJack1452 1 month ago
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@dickknows and it wasnt jews or christians it was persian converts due to baghdad being so close to persia and please if your not going to provide prove refrain from responding you are embarrassing yourself "never have i debated an ignorant and won" fits u perfectly the extent at which u have been brainwashed is incredible truly i stand at awe that people like u still exist u've likely never read an actual book just second hand information fabricated and you are one to talk with cont
TheJack1452 1 month ago
@dickknows about slavery fully knowing what the trans atlantic slavery did to people and forgetting how much islam limited slavery and regulated it to the extent where a slave and his master must eat from the same table and the same food ;that the slave can file a complaint and be freed if abused... here w w w .bbc. c o . u k /religion/religions/islam/history/slavery_1. s h t m l
TheJack1452 1 month ago
@TheJack1452 Islam never limited slavery. The last nations on earth that abolished slavery were Islamic. And it was only after the formation of the United Nations and under the pressure from them.
1948: UN Article 4 of the Declaration of Human Rights bans slavery globally
1952: Qatar abolishes slavery
.1960: Niger
1962: Saudi Arabia
1962: Yemen
1963: United Arab Emirates
1970: Oman
1981: Mauritania
So again it was the West that influenced the development of the most basic human rights!
dickknows 1 month ago
@dickknows fuck you for the last time read the bbc article bitch and see this :
what because it didnt fit your sick view u disregard it cheap
1846: Tunisia abolishes slavery (my very own country)
1847: Ottoman Empire abolishes slave trade from Africa
TheJack1452 1 month ago
@TheJack1452 Why are you deflecting to the unemployment rate when the Islamic worlds illiteracy rate is around 65%?
Its irrelevant when those nations did, the fact remains that the last nations on earth to abolish slavery were Islamic. Tunesia could have been the first. I dont care. Thats a red herring and a non sequaitar.
And the Ottoman Empire committed the Genocide against the Armenians that was the template for the Holocaust! Anything else Mr Delusion?
dickknows 1 month ago
@karlsmith00 ya your 100% correct on that reasoning with them, and they Lie and give most stupid reasons ever.
anyways, just thought to knock at their brain for once. by seeing my post, for once they can think out of the box.
k thn chill and enjoy.
nayiabhishek 9 months ago
will he bring fatwa against Pedophilia, and issue case on Muhhamad who bonked 9 year old innocent baby while he was 50 with 9 wives already.
nayiabhishek 10 months ago
@nayiabhishek Aisha was engaged to prophet when she was 9 yrs old and married at 12, she moved to Mohammad's home at 17 when in that time in Arabia, the accepted age was 15 yrs for a woman. And based on the definition of a pedophile, Mohammad does not pass as one. He married Khadija when he was 25 and she was 40. He did not have any wives until her death. That was when Mohammad married Aisha, and others (almost all wives were widows so he married them to support them).
Broadcaster17 9 months ago
@Broadcaster17 Muhhamad did married with aisha because, aisha has said she was playing with her dolls and she didn't know whats goin to happen when muhhamad entered in her room. at that time she was clearly nine. its written in the scriptures.
nayiabhishek 9 months ago
@nayiabhishek i never rejected muhammad married with aisha but he never had intimate relations with her until she was old enough. if you are talking about free will, then i'd like to tell you that most women here in the eastern countries do not go into intimate relationships to see who's fit for marriage. we trust our elder's decisions, aisha did not have complains against muhammad, she always had free will, Islam allows a woman to seek divorce if she wishes to, read the quran
Broadcaster17 9 months ago
@Broadcaster17 what free will ur talking about. that little baby had no idea what is marriage.
when muhhamad entered in her room and aisha was playing with her dolls. she also told she didn't know what is going to happen. she had absolutely no idea as she was a small innocent child and she was not old enough.
C'mon, we are talking about a 9 year old little baby with dolls.
nayiabhishek 9 months ago
@nayiabhishek do you have literature problems? please re read my comments, it seems you're not getting my point, thanks
Broadcaster17 9 months ago
@Broadcaster17 do you have mental problems ?
I am not talking on marriage issue here. i am explaining Pedophilia issue.
Muhhamad was a pedophile.
sources : [1] Sahih Muslim 8:3310
[2] Sahih Bukhari 8:73:151
[3] Abu-Dawud 2:2116
[4] Sahih Bukhari 5:58:236
[5] Sahih Bukhari 7:62:64
[6] Abu Dawud 41:4915
[7] Abu Dawud 41:4914
nayiabhishek 9 months ago
@nayiabhishek 1. looking at muhammad's history of marriages, he was married to a 40 yr old woman when he was 25, he remained with her till her death which clearly signifies that he wasn't obssessed with sex even though he could have married other woman. clearly he was not a pedophile (marrying a very young girl aisha doesn't pass you as a pedophile unless you are deprived of sexual relations, that clearly isn't the case with muhammad)
Broadcaster17 9 months ago
@Broadcaster17 1. Muhhamd being 50 had sex with 9 year old preteen girl i.e baby is pedophilia
nayiabhishek 9 months ago 2
@nayiabhisheZ Joseph married virgin mary at 12 years of age and he was 90 so why the double standards ? 1400 years ago times were different try to think for once an easy answer isn't necessarily the right one
TheJack1452 1 month ago
@nayiabhishek 2. do not judge muhammad based on the culture and societal norms that exist today. marrying a girl that age was the norm in the societies at that time. looking at the fact that most of muhammad's other wives were widows even at the age of 23 to 30, you can guess that they had been married at a very early age. no one had a problem with this early marriage in that time. the social constructs we have created today did not exist in that time.
Broadcaster17 9 months ago
@Broadcaster17 2. so according to this society, this age Muhhamad was Pedophile, child luster.
if you don't like this society, kindly move to saudi arabia and quit using internet phone or any motor vehicle.
nayiabhishek 9 months ago
@nayiabhishek you can see the nature of these social constructs even today, there are traditions and values in every culture, the eastern culture varies from the western culture. the european culture varies from the british as well as the american. why don't people in the east today marry girls at such an age? it's because of the norms, it is not practised today. if you have issues why not read muhammad by john davenport, he has done a brilliant analysis on this.
Broadcaster17 9 months ago
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@Broadcaster17 cant u make the math ? she died at 58 the prophet married her at 25 and married after a year of her death to a widow at 40 then aisha so that she raises her so 40-25 is 15 and 58-15 is 43 she was 43-1 its 42 years old.so the most beloved of his wifes was an adult and all others were political and humanitarian besides aisha which was god's command and she ended up leading the muslims and pillar for islam and the ummah with the most notable hadtihs coming from her
TheJack1452 1 month ago
@nayiabhishek dude she was already engaged she knew alright it was the damn norm kids matured faster scientifically proven as can be seen in the case wherein a 9 year old got pregnant in china u know why ? she was fucking mature enough to be pregnant and in islam a girl must be both mentally and physically mature for marriage as was the case for Aisha and she is called "mother of the muslims" if she was raped she would have been dysfunctional not the greatest hadith reporter
TheJack1452 1 month ago
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When America nuked the two Japanese cities they killed 140,000+ innocent people. Another 2 million died in the next 5 years. They have bombed civilians of
Chile in 1973, and killed 50,000
Vietnam war and killed millions
N. Korea and killed millions
Libya in 1987 and killed 15,000
Iraq and have killed over? a million
Afghanistan and have killed 300,000
They disregard human life for victory.
Yet their acts are not terrorism?
azx100ful 10 months ago
fuck muslms in muhmmed
mikedavidtheman 1 year ago
@mikedavidtheman do us a favor by not telling us of your inabilities, thanks
Broadcaster17 9 months ago
A fatwa against terror is a fatwa against Muhammad! See for yourself:
Muhammad said, ‘I was made victorious with terror. The earth was made a place for me to clean. I was given the most powerful words. Booty was made lawful for me. I was given the power to intercede. These five privileges were awarded to no prophet before me.’ Ishaq 326
Aristotelezz 1 year ago
@Aristotelezz Ishaq is only sold on Amazon LOL. I'll rewrite a brilliant answer made in a yahoo forum by another person: "Al-Tabari (in his books) did not take an oath to write down only authentic stories, but he took an oath to write down the stories with their chain of narrators, false or true stories." Same goes for Ibn-e-Ishaq. They were not authentic collectors, they collected them for researchers and scholars.
Broadcaster17 9 months ago
@Aristotelezz ("Both of them (Ishaq and Tabari) collected narrations with the chains of narration without authentication. The reason for this is that these books were not authored for the ignorant layman, they were authored for the scholars as books of research. The authors collected "All what was said" and not "all what is authentic" so that when the scholars read the books, they research the chains of narration.") answers.yahoo. com /question/index?qid=20080923051843AAxPpHw (remove spaces)
Broadcaster17 9 months ago
@Aristotelezz I suggest you read Sahih Bukhari and Sahih Muslim hadiths. For a fair account of the prophet, I suggest you read what you're most likely to relate to :) "Apology to Mohammad and the Koran" by John Davenport or "Mohammad" by Thomas Carlyle. And please use tanzil.info to seek translations of the Quran (it provides all the translations).
Broadcaster17 9 months ago
@AkatsukiKanjiKana3 UR stating OUT of Context.So UR using it merely as parapoganda by misinterpreting.
shahjee273 1 year ago
@AllahOEkbar
agreed proud of INDIA AND INDIAN MUSLIMS~
mehot420 1 year ago
@iitzeus
true !! i am muslim and i am proud to be an INDIAN!
mehot420 1 year ago
@exMuslim07
not in india !We indian muslims are against terrorism!
mehot420 1 year ago
@ffairlane57 Hi ffairlane57- I am a non-Muslim American. I believe you addressed your query in the assumption that I am a Muslim.... which is inaccurate. I will say that I do know that there are Muslims who are not killing people and you cannot condemn an entire group of people for the acts of a few. Just as in the U.S.A. you are innocent until proven guilty. I am responding on July 4th... Happy Independence Day!
Platoid 1 year ago
This is a good thing. Do more!
Kruttkuse 1 year ago
In the end I think only Muslims can defeat Al'Qaeda. Who else could infiltrate? These people are the only people who can bring justice to "Islamic" terrorists. They want justice as much as America wants justice, they have been affected the most by terrorism. Hopefully, as a New Yorker, I can go to sleep one day knowing the world will still be here tomorrow. This Fatwa is a big step in the right direction.
lonizzcertified 2 years ago
This is only saying look at the faces and bears they just reflect who they worship
aboarab12 2 years ago
do you have more? because you just pull out all of those out of context, and you dileberately left out the rest of it, for instance surah 9:1-37, not just surah 9:29!!! same goes for surah 2: 191, because if you read surah 2: 190-193 its telling muslims NOT TO ATTACK FIRST!!!!! SO PULL OUT AS MANY AS YOU PLEASE, YOU DONT WANT TO READ THE REST WITH GOOD, REASON: IT EXPOSES YOUR IGNORANCE AND HATRED!!!
moorejr1400 2 years ago
its just a show
thuggie1 3 years ago