Why do you talk so slowly? I find it hard to follow your dissertation. My mind gets busy trying not to get hypnotized by your pause-induced states of trance. You should improve the prosody of your language which sounds monotonous and avoid such slow and paused dialectics.
love that quote, I read The Embodied Mind like 6 years ago, glad you reminded me of how brilliant it is. Evan Thompson recently published a follow-up: "Mind in Life: Biology, Phenomenology, and the Sciences of Mind." Read it last fall, really cements a lot of the enactivist claims with neurological evidence. And Thompson also gives some devastating critiques on Dennett and Dawkins views of consciousness and evolution, respectively.
Yeah, I think that will be covered. I run into that conflict a lot when trying to explain Gaia theory to those of a more materialistic stripe. I'll paste the course description: "Using frameworks from science and technology studies (STS) and sociology, this course explores the construction of scientific and ecological knowledge through social processes, paradigms and institutions....
...We will then compare the dominant forms of scientific knowledge about the natural world with countervailing epistemological understandings, such as situated knowledge, indigenous knowledge, citizen science, and traditional ecological knowledge, examining the ways that the social construction of knowledge shapes our understanding of the natural world." It is taught by Elizabeth Allison. She's got a masters from Yale in environmental management and in religion... should be a good time!
I'm taking a course this fall involving integral ecology (the title is actually Ecology, Science, and Contested Knowledge), so hopefully I'll have time later on in the summer to plow through this book for some perspective. I've heard good things...what is your impression so far?
"Does that reflection allow to escape from fundamental unity with the world? ... No..."
Maybe the reflection does not allow, but the speech does, I think (after D. Bohm).
Bohm sees the language as a cause of the world's fragmentation, creation abstractions such as particles, separate objects, and separation from the unity of the world.
Bohm was obviously a genius, but I don't think language is the bad guy in all this. Part of the problem here is that Bohm is conceiving of language itself too abstractly, as something ultimately separable from our organism. Language arises out of speech, which is embodied. Speaking is as natural as eating for the human body. I do think language becomes problematic when we forget the difference between abstraction and concrete reality, though; so I think Bohm makes an important point.
Bohm thinks that language was influenced by the specialization of labor that itself was necessary and helped a lot in developing technologies. Though the language is not separable from our organism, we can use it differently. I think, this "fragmented" way of using it became dominant because men are abscessed with technology. The language is not personal 100%, you get it from school, school gets it from majority, majority is not looking for unity.
I do think speaking as though words are of the world rather than merely about it makes the self less of a problem. The speaking self is the way the world gains expression.
It's great to see a good old fashion 0thouartthat0 video...It took a while to watch the 19 minutes, but I've always thought it was worth the time when I'm watching someone using a video as a mode of thought enhancement. I've always thought that you do that.
Your points about the authentic self and subject and object were excellent...
Why do you talk so slowly? I find it hard to follow your dissertation. My mind gets busy trying not to get hypnotized by your pause-induced states of trance. You should improve the prosody of your language which sounds monotonous and avoid such slow and paused dialectics.
kubu79 2 years ago
do you ever use syllogisms?
TheObnubilators 2 years ago
love that quote, I read The Embodied Mind like 6 years ago, glad you reminded me of how brilliant it is. Evan Thompson recently published a follow-up: "Mind in Life: Biology, Phenomenology, and the Sciences of Mind." Read it last fall, really cements a lot of the enactivist claims with neurological evidence. And Thompson also gives some devastating critiques on Dennett and Dawkins views of consciousness and evolution, respectively.
0ThouArtThat0 2 years ago
associating a sound with an idea. Makes sense.
Interesting books on the side, too. Will check out the links. :)
HaleyMary 2 years ago
Yeah, I think that will be covered. I run into that conflict a lot when trying to explain Gaia theory to those of a more materialistic stripe. I'll paste the course description: "Using frameworks from science and technology studies (STS) and sociology, this course explores the construction of scientific and ecological knowledge through social processes, paradigms and institutions....
0ThouArtThat0 2 years ago
...We will then compare the dominant forms of scientific knowledge about the natural world with countervailing epistemological understandings, such as situated knowledge, indigenous knowledge, citizen science, and traditional ecological knowledge, examining the ways that the social construction of knowledge shapes our understanding of the natural world." It is taught by Elizabeth Allison. She's got a masters from Yale in environmental management and in religion... should be a good time!
0ThouArtThat0 2 years ago
"Evolutionary Epistemology, Language and Culture: A Non-Adaptationist, Systems Theoretical Approach"
Noticed this book on your page, I've got to get myself a copy of this one, too!
0ThouArtThat0 2 years ago
I'm taking a course this fall involving integral ecology (the title is actually Ecology, Science, and Contested Knowledge), so hopefully I'll have time later on in the summer to plow through this book for some perspective. I've heard good things...what is your impression so far?
0ThouArtThat0 2 years ago
Great info love the whole world narcissism and consumerism so true but what happens now?
plutodrvv 2 years ago
It is going to get crazy, as always, plutodrvv... a way of saying I dont know.
1PostPoMoMaN1 2 years ago
Integral Ecology is like 800 long isn't it? It's on my list, too.
0ThouArtThat0 2 years ago
"Does that reflection allow to escape from fundamental unity with the world? ... No..."
Maybe the reflection does not allow, but the speech does, I think (after D. Bohm).
Bohm sees the language as a cause of the world's fragmentation, creation abstractions such as particles, separate objects, and separation from the unity of the world.
Though I'm not sure you meant the speech.
wholethinker 2 years ago
Bohm was obviously a genius, but I don't think language is the bad guy in all this. Part of the problem here is that Bohm is conceiving of language itself too abstractly, as something ultimately separable from our organism. Language arises out of speech, which is embodied. Speaking is as natural as eating for the human body. I do think language becomes problematic when we forget the difference between abstraction and concrete reality, though; so I think Bohm makes an important point.
0ThouArtThat0 2 years ago
Bohm thinks that language was influenced by the specialization of labor that itself was necessary and helped a lot in developing technologies. Though the language is not separable from our organism, we can use it differently. I think, this "fragmented" way of using it became dominant because men are abscessed with technology. The language is not personal 100%, you get it from school, school gets it from majority, majority is not looking for unity.
wholethinker 2 years ago
You will be bald soon, eh?
1PostPoMoMaN1 2 years ago
I'm just glad Wilber made bald cool. I think he stole it from Foucault, though.
0ThouArtThat0 2 years ago
Bald has been cool forevah, though. :)
1PostPoMoMaN1 2 years ago
This is the haircut we need as not to be scalped in inmendham's civil war.
Mathfails 2 years ago 2
The galactic civil war pales in comparison. :)
1PostPoMoMaN1 2 years ago
Thank you for this kind and thoughtful engagement of many of the main ideas from my book.
Professoranton 2 years ago 4
I'm loving where your going with this...
I do think speaking as though words are of the world rather than merely about it makes the self less of a problem. The speaking self is the way the world gains expression.
0ThouArtThat0 2 years ago
I definitely see parallels.
0ThouArtThat0 2 years ago
It's great to see a good old fashion 0thouartthat0 video...It took a while to watch the 19 minutes, but I've always thought it was worth the time when I'm watching someone using a video as a mode of thought enhancement. I've always thought that you do that.
Your points about the authentic self and subject and object were excellent...
2bsirius 2 years ago
I'm really starting to abuse my partner privileges with all these 20 minute videos! Thanks for your attention span, Karen
; )
0ThouArtThat0 2 years ago