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  • I ate it.

  • Guys top your bitching about which platform is better. This game is awesome no matter what platform it's played on, and the fact that it's on console means that a whole host of new players will be able to enjoy the game too. It can only be a good thing :)

  • @MoterCrozz Linear games, honestly, I enjoy them as well. Your objective is laid in front of you so there isn't any confusion to what you need to do, that and they have faster pacing. They also allow me to enjoy someone else's story rather than me making my own because I don't always want to use my imagination. I enjoy open ended games as well but linear games are fine too.

  • @majema007 Well,I can't argue with that.

  • @MoterCrozz Apologies for the Arma statement, turns out it is both FPS and 3rd person but I digress, how can you compare Killzone 2 to ARMA? You're comparing two different kinds of games that have not a lot in common. Even more so is that many new PC exclusives that you praise or hype (like Crysis), is nothing new or special today. ARMA, isn't for everyone because not everyone wants a game with huge maps, or "realism". I also ask, why do you want console exclusives if they're "linear crap"?

  • @majema007 Oh yeah I completely forgot the PS2,thx for reminding me.I'm comparing those games to notify how linear Killzone games are.With mods you can make ARMA like Killzone.Where have I stated that I want console exclusives?I only want Dark Souls,which isn't an exclusive since it's on both consoles.

  • @MoterCrozz Ever heard of the PS2? "you only need to be educated and PRESTO!". Even with knowledge, sometimes starting a PC game can take hours, consoles are more user friendly and if the game won't start, its because the disc is broken, or your console is broken, not because it isn't compatible with your PC. I can't help but say I don't give a crap for Arma, just another war game these days (Isn't Arma 3rd person, and Killzone 2 first person?). I play games for fun, not for graphics.

  • @MoterCrozz "PC can run your games without problem and don't have to upgrade for 4 or so years". What about shitty ports like GTA 4, Resident Evil 4, Saints Row 2? Most consoles last a decade while PC can cost a fortune to upgrade and is a bitch to use because you need this software or that to play a game. Developers make exclusives because Sony or Microsoft owns or pays them to do it so more people buy a console for a exclusive.

  • @majema007 It's not our fault those developers didn't make the games good on PC.Consoles?Last a decade?XDYeah that's why people play nes and atari right?XD

    My PC cost 600$ and it's not a bitch to use,you only need to be educated and PRESTO!While some console exclusives are good,most of them are linear crap.Killzone for example,Uncharted for example(A good game though,regardless of it's linearity)Halo for example.Compare them to Arma 1!Those games ain't got shit on it.

  • @MoterCrozz Arma sucks

  • @KaiserReich98 No it doesn't,it's just not for everyone.And by not for everyone I mean people that don't try to learn the basics of the game's mechanics.I guess you haven't?

  • it looks like gay shit on consoles -.-

  • @colin122222222 I remembered that Crysis actually was linear. The open areas were just eye candy and heck, the route was already laid out for you. There wasn't any exploration involved, it was a linear game with more room. Crysis 2 was more linear in level design but the extra abilites in Crysis 2 made it more diverse since you could mark targets, kick a car, slide etc. Slap it with the ability to buy upgrades and you have a good sequel. But if you enjoyed the first one more, more power to you.

  • @MoterCrozz I never said that every game should be a non exclusive. What I'm trying to say is why get upset if Crysis is going to the consoles? PC gamers should be glad that more people can play it for themselves. Not everyone owns a high end PC so guess what? It went to consoles because EA or Crytek (I'm not sure which one) would make more money out of it, thats why it went non exclusive. What I find quite odd though, is that the first Halo & 2 are available on the PC as well.

  • @majema007 Yet again,your comments not appearing in my inbox.For one we are upset that we give many exclusives to consoles and a lot few console only games come to PC.How is that fair?Halo 1 and 2 are on PC,true but they're ports,which sucks.A 600$(Probably less)PC can run your games without problem and don't have to upgrade for 4 or so years.Let's say this,I have a 1000$(I don't) but I can afford only the games and not any consoles,how can I play c.games?(cont... 

  • @majema007 Cont.... Developers should put them on PC,they'll make more money too...

  • @MoterCrozz If you can't see the comments. PC fanboys are butthurt because Crysis 2 (then Crysis) went to consoles (if its a great game, why shouldn't more experience it?). Simply put it, fun game but believe me. I've seen Crysis trailers with PLENTY of fanboys complaining. If you enjoy it, fine by me.

  • @majema007 Why aren't your comments appearing in my inbox goddamn it!?

    Anyway...Well your statement about why more people shouldn't play is invalid.I can say the same thing about console games.Why isn't killzone or halo on pc?If it's there games why can't we enjoy them as well?

  • @MoterCrozz Aside from beautiful graphics (which don't look as good as the PC trailers) and better controls for the PC, the gameplay isn't anything amazing, new, or special. Its basically a linear game with at times, dumb A.I. Its sequel Crysis 2 was a lot better in terms of gameplay. It's not bad (its fun and I enjoyed it), but I find it ridiculous that every PC fanboy thinks this game is groundbreaking just because it was release for the PC first.

  • @majema007 For some reason your comment didn't appear on my inbox.I haven't heard of ANY PC gamer saying this game was groundbreaking.They just said it was a great game.Every problem the game had was fixed with mods.

  • @majema007 I have to disagree, Crysis one was much better in my opinion. yes it had a linear storyline, but it was not a linear game in that you could choose how you went about completing a mission, you could pick your route, and go about it as you please. which is something that crysis 2 lacked. and Crysis had a completely original storyline, yes aliens have been done many times before, but Crysis did it in a whole new way that was very original. but again, just my opinion.

  • Will PC fanboys shut the hell up already? We get it, PC has better advantages than consoles but it sure as hell isn't perfect. That and you're the biggest graphics whores I've ever seen. As long as the game is fun, that's what matters but hell, Crysis isn't fantastic at all, just good

  • @majema007 It was fantastic on PC.

  • great job crytek! most awesome developer.

  • are you fucking serious crytek? first, you severely dumb down crysis 2 for console and let your fans majorly dissapointed, then you released a dx11 patch for it that does nothing except kill the frame rate, now you fucking release crysis for consoles? it would've been a better idea if you optimized your horribly unoptimized engine on pc so everyone can play it

  • @PaGoNdA Shut up PC exclusive is dead since 2008 There is no more PC exclusive Dragon Age is console now Battlefield is Console now Crysis is Console is now MOH is console COD is console CSGO becoming console now Console>PC Oh and good thing PS4 wasnt out because PC exclusive will be crush by PS4 released in 2014
  • @cyberzone10 Arma series are a pc exclusive.They beat any game out there in terms of graphics,realism,gameplay,maps­,mods and all around everything.PC is never going to die and soon people will remember who is the real platform leader.

  • @MoterCrozz lol Arma sucks bad.

  • @KaiserReich98 No mate you just can't handle realism.

  • @MoterCrozz Im not your mate you stupid limey. And choosing a game that received mediocre reviews to represent your entire game library is really quite pathetic. Real war sucks, just like Arma

  • @KaiserReich98 Reviews are opinions based on the person.They don't mean shit.If you haven't played it than don't say it sucks.

  • @MoterCrozz Yah opinions. The majority of people think Halo, Killzzone, Gears, and Resistance are good. The majority of people think Arma is mediocre at the very best.

  • @KaiserReich98 So?Does any of the games you mentioned have 128 vs 128?6000km maps?2d Editors and 3d Editors?Hundreds of mods?Better graphics than Arma 2?No they don't.Your games are overrated and have nothing against Arma 2.

  • @MoterCrozz lol you pc people are so desperate for a decent game that you crowd around a worthless pile of trash like arma 2. MAG has 128 players and it fuckin sucks. Far Cry 2 had 2d and 3d editors and it fuckin sucks. We dont judge games buy their graphics and even if we did BF3, Killzone, Uncharted and even Gears are more than on par with it. And why in the fuckin world world ANYONE want to play on a map 6000km large, are you fucking stupid?

  • @KaiserReich98 Every PC gamer want's to play 6000km maps.You can make movies with Arma 2 2d editor.Make huge battlefields.Fucking nuke everything too.If you haven't played don't argue.

  • @MoterCrozz If pc gamers want to play on 6000km maps with amazing graphics than why do they all play TF2 and counterstrike. You didnt address a single one of my points so im choosing to end this "argument" if you cant come up with a single good one. Oh and movies in Arma? Ever heard of machinima?

  • @KaiserReich98 Not all PC gamers play TF2 and counterstrike.A lot of gamers play Arma 2,actually you'd be surprised how many of them play.I would have addressed one of your points,if you actually had one.

    Yes I have heard of machinima.Nothing impressive,most of it consists of stupid overused jokes.While there are good ones like RvB and Arby and the Chief,Phil(notice how I'm mentioning only halo machinima) the others are media core.

  • @MoterCrozz

    lol what is Arma

    Haha arma is shit game and I don't like over realism

  • @cyberzone10 Please spell correctly.

  • Great.. Here we go again with Consoles vs PC again. Yes we all agreed that the graphics are better on PC. But can't we all just get along?

  • @SplendidSAHILx117 no, fanboys will keep on bitching about stuff like this until the end of time. Honestly, this stupid fanboy war is getting old

  • Crysis series score by gameranking

    Crysis(PC) 90.23%

    Crysis(Xbox 360) 83.04%

    Crysis(PS3) 82.85%

    Crysis Warhead(PC) 84.73%

    Crysis 2(PC) 86.08%

    Crysis 2(Xbox 360) 85.33%

    Crysis 2(PS3) 85.31%

    Thumb up and everyone can see

  • im buying this game!!!! :D and everyone who say this game suck on consols.... can go f**k himself

  • @chanosuprespacial hell yeah

  • Bought this yesterday on ps3 and IMO it should've stayed pc exclusive...I wasn't disappointed in console version but that's probably because I wasn't expecting much.

  • I just played this and i can honestly say i see why this game is called amazing cause it is. I never could afford a pc to run it. So this is my first chance playing it and it is amazing. Graphics are best on the xbox. And crysis is 4 years old and is still the best looking pc game/ game in general period. Amazing what crytek did with 1/4 of the power. Nice!

  • does anyone know if the editor is on xbox

  • @ColgoSnake Consoles are too dumbedc down to support the awesome things us PC gamers have :)

  • @iwannabethekid34x

    Very true, a FPS on console today just feels wrong and dumbed down with aim assist and easy AI.

    Far Cry 2 on PC was amazing on consoles it sucked.

  • @18T220 Yeah, doom on the Snes was fun, but it would never compare to the PC version, and nothing ever will...

  • does anyone know if the editor is on xbox

  • Love this game!

  • Say what you want about PC this or FPS that, but Crysis 1 on consoles is easily one of the best looking games I've ever seen. AS WELL AS having some of the best gameplay ever. Crysis 2 blew me away with its great story, solid and tactical gameplay and phenomenal graphics. Crysis 1 on PC was enjoyable, but without the best PC it lacks a true impact. Crysis 1 on consoles is up there with the likes of Killzone 2 and MW2 in terms of graphics and gameplay. Amazing.

  • i just finished download it on psn and ive been playing it for about 2 hours,call me stupid or anything but i swear to you guys,the graphics is fenomenal,i think it even beat killzone 3 graphics and maybe,MAYBE its on par with uncharted 2,but i think crysis win slightly better,u can throw away crysis 2 now and just play this game,this game is great guys BUT u cannot save,u can only rely on checkpoint,and the ai is rather moron!

  • map editor?

  • @karmalink20 impossible for console

  • @Tanatbenbenpoppop farcry2 did it

  • @karmalink20 -_- i forgot this

  • Multiplayer aswell?

  • @TheUltraluke no multiplayer

  • The best game in the world !

  • atmosphere of the game just got ruined by those stupid fancy shmancy graphics...

  • Since everyone on PC is saying that this game is shit on Xbox and PS3, well Battlefield is now only for console, go fuck off PC fags, your not an elitist.

  • @MehLopz battlefield is for pc too... and so will 3.. uh?

  • @KiodrinTutorials I was being sarcastic, people think that this can only be for PC, so i said that to get a bunch of people pissed, i got around 50 PM's

  • @MehLopz oh lol, makes sense. Although, I'm pretty sure that this will either be really laggy on the consoles, or it will have a major graphics difference, either way, im still gonna get it.

  • You have to go to Xbox.com to download it for some reason. I would post the link but you can't on Youtube.

  • I think they pushed the release date back to the 20th.

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  • yes of course it is!!!!! im hyped!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • @dariboy1997 It's up? I can't find it on my xbox...

  • will this come out on disk or is it downloadable

  • @ipodgames1000

    It will be a downloadable title off the PSN and the XBL Marketplace

  • @ipodgames1000 Download for 1600 MSP / $20

  • @MetroidCommando holy shit is it up now?

  • 2 MORE DAYS!

  • This comes out next month and they can't give us a release date besides 10/2011?

  • @Mcode3996 its October 4th this Tuesday! And on my birthday which is one reason I will be buying it.

  • Couldnt this come to retail what the hell is happening with those download only releases

  • @Lazar3451 They are trying to maximize profit so that used games don't get circulated.

  • @redmar79 this is unfare in that case retails and downloads shouldn't cost the same

  • @Lazar3451 Crysis 1 will be 20 dollars. It is discounted because of previous release.

  • it looks the same to me. current 360 hardware vs launch 360 hardware is such a huge difference! its def better looking then any cod or halo game.

  • Next consoles will have DX14 :P

  • @Unit645 so itll be better then 2011 pc's?

  • Not bad.

  • I prefer consoles (Ive been cursed with small hands) and that is my opinion.

  • MY 360 MAKES ME HAPPY AND IT MAKES ME HAPPY GOD DAMNIT!!

  • Nerds will be nerds...

  • @MrTehJokester I know, people who say consoles are more powerful than PC's are usually judging against their own PC, not a top end one.

  • @MrTehJokester Buuuuuuuuuut... I know PCs are better. But that doesn't change my opinion. I prefer consoles ^_^

  • @MrTehJokester dude. he didn't say consoles were better. he said it's the individual's opinion on whichever they prefer.

  • Cant wait for this loved crysis 2

  • yay :D

  • Before anymore fanboys say this looks better than it did on pc, THIS IS USING THE CRYSIS 2 ENGINE WHICH HAD DUMBED DOWN GRAPHICS. -_-

  • haha they have to use cryengine 3 for this one cuz consoles cant use cryengine 2

  • 1:39 crysis 2 D:

  • @Dimoon07

    No that is a scene from crysis 1 :D

  • I played and beat this on the PC and loved it.

    Never even touched MP tbh single player was enough to keep me busy.

    I never played crysis 2 but the graphics looked like shit because of the city settings.

    Crysis 1 truly shows off the engine because your in the jungle with the trees and water all the time.

    I CANT WAIT TO SPEND 20$ ON IT AGAIN! XD

  • well well well crytek already gave us that consolized dumbed down dog shit crysis 2 and now they are milking the console market fuck this

  • cant wait to see crysis on a single core CPU, half a gig of RAM and a NVIDIA 7800 gtx gpu system running Linux.

  • @SmokeSolo1975 i assume u mean the xbox of course forgive me as i do not know the specs of things i barely play games on as i play PC

  • Ummm so Crysis haven't been released in consoles?

  • 600 or 720p with 28-30fps and lower then the lowest pc graphics olol

    obviously crytek trying to make quick money after the failure that was crysis 2

  • @ Halfire8 what are you going on about you wanker. I am fucking jizzing that its coming to xbox you fat nobhead! I wasnt bitching about graphics at all, it looks beautiful!

  • @KeKeKeilan NEVER!! =3

  • @KeKeKeilan NEVER!! =3

  • Will it have the same multiplayer?

  • @HellsmithStudios Dude I own all 3 systems, ps3, 360 and a new PC (oc to 5ghz quad, 6970xfire etc. Pretty beastly) and I can honestly say that crysis and warhead running at 60fps constant with all the fruit 1920x1080 on PC beats anything else on PC! So trust me when I say I have never seen a game on either console come close to the graphical bar set by this game...although ps3s uncharted 2 is damn good by any measure and deserves mention. Will be interesting to see how close crytek can get this.

  • @sammyflinders What? Uncharted 2? Killzone 3 looks lightyears ahead of Uncharted 2. Gears 3 looks better aswell. Gameplay wise, all 3 of them are much better than Crysis though.

  • wow... I really hope they program it well for the ps3 and properly use its cell processor

  • I would say the graphics are great for a console

  • @ScReWaTtAcKeD I can see you're a PC gamer, but you underestimate the xbox 360. There are other games with better graphics than this on our platform.

  • Lol calling me a dumbass isn't much of an argument,but anyway if your not a fanboy why is it such a big deal that crysis comes to consoles? If you like the pc better then go play it it's really not a big deal

  • PC gamers: CRYSIS WAS SUPPOSED TO BE PC EXCLUSIVE, IT WAS SUPPOSED TO KEEP PC GAMING ALIVE, NOW THEY'VE CONSOLISED IT HURR DURR

    Everyone else: Then why was Crysis the most pirated game of that year?

  • @michaeldelaney It still managed to sell 1 million copies it's first year then another 2 million the next 2 years after then 1.5mil with Warhead. Ironically games released the same year like The Witcher and STALKER SC were highly successful for the devs then Crysis was for Crytek XD. Another thing they were expecting the game to like 6 mil. Strange all that piracy and they still managed to have a bigger budget for Crysis 2 and obtain Free radical studios.

  • Hey what happened to console gamers saying "Who cares, Crysis is nothing but graphics." :P

  • This one better have a map editor or I'm not buying it ill just rent it.

  • @lazyluke712 I agree completely with you :-)

  • What was all that talk with the PC fanboys saying they would never bother porting it to consoles?

  • Oh yeah, that's a console, all right.

  • wow all this pc vs console talk is just bullshit. It's a matter of opinon and everyone has their opinion -.-

  • @lazyluke712 THANK YOU. Finally, someone with SOME kind of a good mind comments on this video.

  • @IamTheAntiMartyr i was reffering to console vs pc gaming.

  • @lazyluke712 So was I. Its a preference.

  • @IamTheAntiMartyr hmm you were saying that pc is superior. I have to disagree with that. PC is lacking in split screen games, fighting and platforming games. And Consoles have much more of AAA titles in last few years. I bought ps3 last year, and before that I've played mainly on pc , for like 12 years.Well since quake 2 and unreal era. Thing is that I had much more fun with ps3 , mainly becuase of 4 players split screen games, and some game genres that I now really enjoy.

  • @lazyluke712 Again...so happy you are satisfied with YOUR PREFERENCE.

  • @lazyluke712 Again...so happy you are satisfied with YOUR PREFERENCE.

  • @IamTheAntiMartyr so what's the big difference beetween opinion and preference. Yeah I know that is stupid question, but english is not my primary language and I'm curiuos about that.

  • @lazyluke712 Opinions are debatable. Preferences are not. Here is an example. Lets say that vanilla is my favorite ice cream flavor. Its my preference. Someone can come along and say "chocolate is better". That is their opinion. Their opinion has no bearing on my preference. I'm not going to start prefering chocolate over vanilla. If console gaming is your preference then I respect that. If you think that consoles are superior then you have stated a debatable opinion.

  • @lazyluke712 Opinions are debatable. Preferences are not. Here is an example. Lets say that vanilla is my favorite ice cream flavor. Its my preference. Someone can come along and say "chocolate is better". That is their opinion. Their opinion has no bearing on my preference. I'm not going to start prefering chocolate over vanilla. If console gaming is your preference then I respect that. If you think that consoles are superior then you have stated a debatable opinion.

  • @IamTheAntiMartyr thanks for explaining. It's just happens that in croatian there is no exact word for preference so I thought that preference and opinion have same meaning. More or less.

  • @IamTheAntiMartyr yep , you're right it's preference. Found out what is difference beetween preference and opinion. If you tried to answer on my question earlier , no need. Thanks anyway ^^

  • @IamTheAntiMartyr you can tell that it is preference. But I'm going with opinion, based on my experience with playing on both.

  • @IamTheAntiMartyr grow up

  • @IamTheAntiMartyr

    Of course the PC is great but you have to update it every what 1 year or less and not everyone has 800-3000$ laying around.

  • @IamTheAntiMartyr Superiority in what way? If you're talking about pure speed then technically you are correct, but just about anything else is all a matter of preference.

    I PREFER to play with the many friends who also own a console and the social atmosphere provided by the HDTV + console setup. That's my superior setup.

  • @lazyluke712 No, it's a matter of common sense. This version of Crysis looks like shit.

  • @Moisemo25 I was reffering to pc vs console talk , not crysis on pc vs crysis on console.

  • @lazyluke712 Oh, k.

  • @lazyluke712 You're right.For example: My PC is not the best, so now i can buy crysis for my Xbox and can play without laggs ;)

  • @KeKeKeilan Cool story bro tell it again.

  • Don't know if its down to crytek using a different engine but it looks amazing on console

  • To be honest as an owner of ps3 360 and an uuuuuber spec pc, iv owned crysis 1 ran it maxed out, and this console redux, looks the part, maybee not as polished as the original maxed out, but its not far off, hopefully the multiplayer will be included,

  • 1) Yes. I absoutely did. Read my other comments. You're just plain wrong.

    2) No, because I'm not a whiny little ignorant console enthusiast.

    3) You're retarded. Don't try to raise a point from a mistake because you have nothing to go off.

    4) And that's an example of boastfulness? Yeah, you're not exaggerating.

    That's an exaggeration in itself. I've contradicted nothing and you've basically just gone and made things up. Barely anything you're saying is even relevant to PC vs Console. Moron.

  • cheap and fuking awesome!

  • This was exclusive for pc gamers only...FUCK U CRYTEK..

  • A german high-end engineering Art. Frankfurt rockt einfach!

  • it's only 15 bucks, as much as a cod map pack. You guys are gonna buy it

  • @KeKeKeilan Obviously you do if you keep replying lmao, and wtf is this I don't speak black

  • @madaznboy obviously...go on being a fanboy of whatever you're a fanboy of. You're too stupid to understand my replies anyway

  • @madaznboy Your depth of perception on any matter seems to be blatant and rather retarded so iwin. Respond again and you confirm this ignorant one.

  • Crytek can say godbye to PC gamers... if ever Crytek launches a game for Pc, we pc gamers won't buy it, torrents will give it for us!!

  • @GameplayXperience

    lol, your just mad cause the most "Graphically challenging game" can run good on a 6 year old console.

    ahahahahaha

    (I played it on Very High on the PC BTW)

    trololololol

  • @Nomad2243 for your information, on the consoles, the graphics are set on medium. I aways played crysis maxed 16xQAA out with my old gtx 295 (Dual Chip) But my whole PC fried 6month ago. i'm still crying but hey life goes on. But, what i said is true, PC gamer community are mad against Crytek and thats for a good reason.

    You say, can run good. The game didn't came out yet, how do u know i twill run good? It will be hard to believe this game will run constant 30FPS

  • @GameplayXperience

    The graphics aren't on Medium. Because om Medium you don't have the Light rays like you see in this gameplay trailer.

    I can also tell the shaders are very High, and so are the shadows.

    Its a mixture of Very High, High, Medium, and low settings. and you can tell its specially optimized for the Xbox.

    you can't make the graphics look quite like that on the PC version no matter what you do.

    but onto my question. Why do you care that its coming out on the Console?

  • @Nomad2243 I wouldnt say I see any low here. I see mostly high and some medium

  • @GameplayXperience

    people who says its on "Low" are just idiots

    If you have played Crysis on low there are no shaders, shadows, or decent water affects on low.

    You can clearly see the there are soft shadows, light rays (Post Processing effects), very high shaders on the guns and trees, Water is also very good looking.

  • @Nomad2243 agreed. The game looks quite stunning, and the improved explosion and light effects look very impressive. True, there are some screens that show less complex foliage than a high end pc vesio, but overall it still looks fantastic for a console game. Pc gamers are just mad that console gamers are finally getting the chance to play this fantastic game. Pc fanboys are worse than Nintendo, Microsoft or Sony combined.

  • @BlayzedBlue I'm a PC gamer, but I'm not mad. lol Pretty impressive on what Crytek did to consoles. Don't have problems with Crytek putting crysis on multiplatform. However, the only thing Crytek that treat pc gamers badly is putting lazy console port on Crysis 2.

  • @GameplayXperience lol, that's a really horrible way for you to generalize pc gamers as pirates. Hello, did you know Crytek sold 3 million copies on Crysis 1 ( not including digital downloads)? Did you know millions of pc gamers like to shop games on Steam?

  • @unrealriot That was 4 years ago. After the awfull port of Crysis 2 for PC and now we lost the crysis exclusivity, we pc gamers are mad... That was our best PC exclusive game.

    Thats why all the hate on crytek. Seach around google and go see some forums about pc community, and u shall see what they thing about crytek.

  • wow, I used to hate ps3 fanboys, but now I see that pc fanboys are more retarded,