@hannanjo1 Well let's see according to the bible if our kids disobey god wants us to stone them to death oh and if we eat shellfish or wear different fabrics then we're going to hell. God's kind of a prick
I am 21, and though he speaks to very young children, what he says applies directly to me and my generation. When will we stop playing with our trucks (video games, tv, parties, sports) and grow a holy ambition? What fools we are... I pray that God will rapidly awaken us to the utter importance of a life lived for Christ and the utter worthlessness of anything else; and not only awaken us, but also grant us the boldness and ability to act on such an awakening.
@stevenashfan2313 WE would be fools if any religion was true. But there is not a shred of evidence that it is true ,Salvation makes no sense, even scriptures says so.
@stevenashfan2313 Praise God for this did not come from yourself, it is the wisdom given by the Spirit. Don't worry about the haters, they don't understand and possibly never will.
This is true what he is saying..you have to listen very carefully. We have to really get serious about the things of God! Satan is not playing. He comes to steal, kill and destroy, but Christ came that we might have life and that more abundantly. We have to start training them now while they are young.
When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put childish ways behind me. 1 Corinthians 13:11
@aoiahiru You should get from what i said that Jesus is over everything in the Universe, including this naturalistic phylosophy that some call "science" but is nothing more than prejudice and proud.
The reason people who claim that God doesn't exist watch good preaching is because every man knows deep in his heart that the God of Scripture exists, yet he continues to suppress the truth and deny Him. They know there is something right about the preaching, are intrigued by it, by are not willing to turn to Christ. Either that, or they are being prepared by God, drawn by him, in order that they will soon believe in the Gospel! I pray that anyone watching this will be subject to the latter!
As a fundamentalist Christian I agree with that. Christians are supposed to be like Jesus and Jesus died young. If you want a long and easy life, avoid him!
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He should not be allowed to abuse children with his falsehoods. I hope a responsible adult will reassure the poor kids that there is no evidence for any of his claims. What are their parents thinking ?
The evidence is all around you, if you choose to ignore it; so be it. Yet, "Suffer them not to come unto me, for such is the Kingdom of God." I wouldn't advise getting in the way of children who can believe in Jesus Christ.
No , the "evidence " that people offer for the Christian God doesn`t impress and can be demolished by the scientific method , which has a proven track record.
I'm very for women working in the kingdom and responding to God's call, however, he was simply explaining how a girl's play time can develop into a Godly ambition. Let's not read too far into what he is saying because we know his complementarian views.
The time of dark chaos approaches us. We will join our hands in the demon's realm. The holy light cries out in pain. The lies of god have been cast aside. The powerless now cower before the master. While they mutter their prayers of ignorance. Singing empty songs of their defeat. They can not hide from Satan's wraith. He shall feast upon the hordes of sheep. Their tender blood, drunk as wine. Their life-less bodies, quickly devoured. Their brittle bones, have built his throne.
Come and see my video about what the bible teaches about the wrath of God and who it is revealed against. It is not revealed against the general public. Come and find out.. seek truth and be set free
i challenge you to read the gospel of john and nothing else. the claims of Christianity ride solely upon the diety and the personhood of Christ. ...
-Two things for you: 1) No words or arguments will convince you, only the power of the Holly Spirit will give you ears to hear and eyes to see and understand the words of Christ
2) Christians fail. Every single follower of Christ, and the accounts of the Old Testament point to our failures as a people to glorify God. But not Christ. Study Christ
Your god has not had a single success yet. He made perfect angels. He made perfect humans on a perfect earth. He had a perfect son. And ALL of them end up tortured and dead. He ends up with a few thousand buddies to lay around paradise with for ever while ALL the rest are destroyed or tortured for eternity. Has there ever been a bigger loser? Ever? Thank Reason it's just an insane delusion. That burning bush that started it all must have been a hell of a hallucinogen! Moses was trippin!
does that include murderers who drown everybody in a global flood? sexually immoral deities who condemn gays? Sorcerers who make serpents talk? idolators who worship crosses? liars who claim that the world is 8ooo years old , in spite of all the evidence to the contrary? the lake of fire would seem like the place to cast that ridiculous book of dogma . start reading some science pleeeeeeeeeease
ilikezappa: i know that you dont care if God is real or not beacuse that would mean you have to explain your conduct to someone higher than yourself, but honestly, there is no evidence for the earths age. carbon datin and other methods have been found to be false,being not always true.the cambrian explosion shows that evoultion is not a sound truth, and mainly its a theory anyways, a fancy guess. gays are not right therefore they are condemned, and Gods a sexually immoral being? thats weird...
(cont:)ilikezappa::i've never heard that before. science is good for some things, but science cannot explain all the walks of life. how can science honestly describe the conscience? it cannot, look at leading scientists. see, the thing is christians are open to science, but science is not open to christ. i mean science is good but one must understand its limits. science explained genesis 1..the big bang. i 110% agree that God made the universe go BANG. before the BANG there was no space/time..
neoi78:the thing is christians are open to science, but science is not open to christ.; You are right sir. Science tries to prove what it believes to be the truth and is not concerned with anything else. And if that truth runs into religion, so be it.
Some Christians are open to science , but the ones who propogate the idea that the world is only a few thousand years old and evolution does not occur certainly do not have any respect for it . They are at the deeply dismal end of the scale of ignorant cretinism.
Christ points to Science and science doesn't have a finger to point at Christ. Science is not able to prove God because they can't see him. Much like the orgasm, science can only prove that because people feel it, other then that there are no sign it happened but many people also feel "God". Problem here is that man wants to be God, they cannot put faith in God because it takes away from their own greatness. Also people don't want to answer to a "God".
"Science is not able to prove God.." Shall we look at science in the Bible? The Bible says the earth is flat. And that the sun revolves around the earth. And that humans are made of dirt. And that snakes and donkeys talk. And that insects have 4 legs. And that bats are birds. And that Pi = 3. And that animals appeared AFTER man but BEFORE woman. And you wonder why science can't support your god? This book is the ONLY authoritative witness to YHWH and it is manifestly untrue. Don't bame science.
There's no point to argue with you, to understand the things in the bible you have to have an open mind, which you obviously don't. One question though, do you leave comments on videos that promote Islam or Judaism etc.. or do you just hold a grudge with Christianity because we believe in Christ?
you make is sound like i sat back and wrote a 20 minute long bash fest, actually all I said was an opinion-you're close minded. I never called you names, or berated you. You're just making things up now and as far as your "Facts", well, those are also opinion because there based on interpretation. My point is to show you that you have a closed mind and that people should be able to chose their path without hatred from another. You would rather find my words as threatening, why is that?
"you make is sound like i ... wrote a 20 minute long bash fest" That is, to use your own terms, your own interpretation. You judged me, you insulted me, and you made a snide comment. And so I said. I don't find your words threatening, I find it tediously frustrating that you and people like you prefer to respond to factual assertions with insult and accusation rather than with evidence and reason. You said "Science is not able to prove God" and I responded with "bible science." Your turn.
and people like you would argue that the Bible is all made up, stories meant to teach us morals and that we are all presumed to take from the Bible what we interpret. With that said, why would I sit here and fight your interpretation with mine? I believe the "big bang" was God creating our "world", I believe in Jesus Christ as the Son of God and I believe that 70% of the Bible is fact with the rest being "stories" to evoke morals.
part2- your mind isn't "Open" like mine was/is to the Bible so i took it more literal then you. That's my point-as I have stated many times to you. Your "factual assertions" are honestly noting more then your opinions, you cannot prove what you read as true therefore they're not fact. Anyone with an understanding of the Bible will tell you that it is not written in such a way to be taken "literately". It is written that Gods "time" is not like ours. 4k years would be more like 4 billion to us.
THEN 12, then 70, then 120, then 5000, then 8000, then Jerusalem, them Samaria, then the whole Middle East, Asia, Europe, BILLIONS AND BILLIONS of the whole world in 2 thousand years have witnessed with miracles, and blood and sacrifice and praise and joy and repentance and living THAT JESUS IS THE TRUE GOD.
Science get flat under JESUS' feet (from a Biology teacher).
(cont3:)ilikezappa::therefore God lives outside of space/time, is this hard to imagine? darwin could never have imagined the complex cell when he made the Origin Of Life. basically my point..Science doesnt have all the answers, it has some, but not all. Science cannot really explain how to go about asking a girl on a date. Its just not science. There are some things that are just not science. -neoi78
there are thousands of gods. All cultures invent stories to try and explain creation. The Christian god is just another story. it has become popular because the west has the best guns.
neoi78 :Science doesnt have all the answers, it has some, but not all. : That`s the beauty of science. It will never have all the answers. Only religion has all the answers: "god did it." HOW SUPER STUPID. Science comes up with the best explanation the human mind can find and welcomes all attempts to prove it wrong.
Go to Piper's church if you like sexy gals leading worship. Excellent! This morning (7/27/08) we had a nice, nubile thing with a tight fitting green blouse---and oh could she sway as she led whorship. DONT EVER USE CHOIR ROBES OR UGLY WOMEN! Nothing is as good as good old fashioned Boob and Butt for marketing the Gospel! "When worshipping God in front of svelte, undulating lips, I'm so very inclined to be thinking of vaginal lips!"
Darkened and ghastly the demons shall fly. Flittering of the macabre under a cold moon. Decadent worship of black magic and sorcery. God is in the womb of the devil's dungeon. See your god writhing in agony. Necrosis festering in his face. Venomous pins sticking through the skin. The poison prepared by our demons. God will be drawn and quartered. His skull will be chained to your head. His bones will make the X. As we fold the lifeless to fit him in a casket. We now cross out the crucifix.
Science in itself is proof that there has to be a creator. How else would a cell know when to preform mytosis? How else could a monarch butterfly detect its lover's scent eight kilometers away? There is a greater power than us. So go ahead and try to diprove me and what i believe, it wont work.
A cell doesn't "know" things in the sense that YOU know things. It just "does". You might as well ask yourself "how does light know it's supposed to travel at 186282.397 miles per second". It's a non sequitur question.
Let a man meet a bear robbed of its cubs rather than a fool in his folly.Proverbs 17:12. To compare the work of mytosis to light traveling is the most asinine comparison imaginable. Obvioulsy there is data in the cell to make these things happen.
LOL ... Non Christians are hilarious ( and frustating ) when interpreting ( or when they interpret ) the Bible ... Matthew 7 is talking about not being self righteous or doing a hypocritical judgement ( like the Pharisees ) ... the Bible talks ( and advises ) on good judgement from the authority of God and his word ... testing the spirits and doctrines ... nice try but you don't know what you were talking about ... Have a nice day
There is enough in the bible to essential fit any moral viewpoint. Interpretation, after all, is subjective. That's why it's called interpretation and not decryption.
Oh, the judging verse is a favorite of non Christians. It seems it's one of the few they know. (Or rather, think they know. Because as you've pointed out, they get it all wrong.)
I love how every comment section on any religious video on here gets reduced to Science vs Religion... as if you could convince someone to follow Jesus with enough scientific evidence (or rhetoric).
By contrast, Scientific rhetoric can't denounce someone's faith. It's something that's personal and emotional and you can't reason someone into or out of it. That's like trying to explain objectively why someone shouldn't love their wife.
people dont get converted because of creation science(although it is nice to know it) people get converted through preaching the Word of God! because that is where the power lies!! THE WORD! Amen?
Not quite thamuzic , it is more like if one of your friends loved his wife , who he believed was invisible and could influence the weather by her thoughts , and that no-one else could see. You might want to talk to him gently! And Tobig, Creationism is the opposite of science. Please dont taint something beautiful by suggesting that there is any common ground. All the scientific evidence demolishes Creationism completely. Amen
Well by that logic, 90% of the world's population needs a gentle talking-to.
I'm not talking about converting people. I'm trying to explain how deep Christian allegiance can run in people, no matter how weird or nonsensical it might seem to you.
I think there's plenty of scientific evidence to suggest we're not all here by accident, but I guess it all depends on what you want to believe.
Have to agree with the first bit. Have yet to see any papers published in reputable scientific journals which provide any tangible evidence for your last assertion.
A scientist's reputation hinges on their refusal to give any credit to a greater power, so if you're waiting for 'reputable scientific journals' to make some spiritual or supernatural discovery, don't hold your breath.
Personally, I find the idea of a fine-tuned universe at least points to the possibility of a creator, despite what religious background you come from.
well I guess the job of science is to seek natural explanations for observed phenomena so you are kind of right there musicman. However, no supernatural events have ever been conclusively demonstrated. Just because a Bolivian peasant sees an image of the virgin in a llama turd you can forgive me for not embracing Catholicism. not to say that the world isnt full of jaw dropping wonder btw , but shouting "creator!" when you witness it doesnt work for me . ps Generic? ouch , how hurtful. xx
haha, well you must know this argument isn't anything new for Christians. Not that it isn't fun to debate occasionally, it just seemed like kind of an arbitrary place to have it. Well, unless I am to assume every religious-themed video on YouTube is having a comment war about Science vs God.
bufantas- the measure you are beleiving in is why you think its older- there is a huge problem with carbon dating- I distrust your measure, Darwinism is still a theory with gaps, stallegtites can grow within a few decades- many theories are now in question
Darwininsm a theory with gaps , so you dismiss it? but you are quite happy to believe that Noah could build a boat which could house and support 80 million creatures and that serpents can talk? that is funny
bufantas- Noah built an ark to float not a boat to sail- he spent 40 years building it and took two of every kind not species- the Bible says there had been no rain to that point, the earth was like a rain forest, therefore there was not the ecological diversity that followed afterwards
you might want to look at how much ecological diversity there is in a rain forest before you believe such daft ideas . Where did he get the Australian Salt water crocodiles from? they have been around for millions of years but they live (guess what?) IN AUSTRALIA
the world back then didn't look anything compared to what it does now. It looks completely different because of the flood. Back in that time there could've beena passage between australia and europe. And on the topic of those 80 million animals just like pianohbc said noah took two of every kind not species so that means that you wouldn't have a wolf and a chocolate lab, you would just have a dog species and that became how many species we have today.
Bufantas, do you believe that anyone who believes in God does not believe in the sciences? Some do, but there are some scientific theories that have never been proven. That's why it takes FAITH for scientists and evolutionists to believe them. Just as it takes faith to believe every word written in a book from some authors we believe were inspired by God and that it was "God-breathed". Although, there have actuallly been some traces lately that point out some historical truth in our Bible.
I reject that argument. you have faith because there is nothing of any substance to support your beliefs. scientific theories have mathematics to support them and are subject to rigorous testing and review by peers before they are accepted. Your idea that you live after you die would not get past the starting post. science is empirical but this is NOT the same as blind faith
There are some scientists who believe in God. The small minority I would venture , and you would have to look hard to find a reputable scientist who had any time for the fundamentalist "theory" of creation. Find me a geologist who thinks the world is only 4500 thousand years old .
bufantas- years ago there was very little obvious archeological proof- now there are many sites, absaloms tower, Solomons stables etc. There is a huge move to revise the age of the earth which is as the Bible says no more than about 10,000 years, man lived with dinasours - now believed plausible, the flood accepted - God is not wrong- its our knowledge
Who says the Earth is that young ? Find me an eminent geologist , you know the people whose job is to objectively measure its age using many different methods. The only people who think men lived with dinosaurs and the earth is only 4 days old are fundamentalist Christians who dont know anything about science and dont care that the scientific world thinks you are mental. c`mon dude stop ignoring the facts , it undermines your credibility
bufantas- my credibility is in Christ alone- I accept that He is the potter and I am the clay and that at present I see things as in a mirror darkly but later I will see in full- whilst I appreciate your need for proof- faith is the hope of that which is unseen and of what is to come.
pianohbc ; I dont want to sound harsh. I am sure you are a decent person who would not allow tramps to starve etc , but that attitude to learning is disgraceful me. The only way mankind has evolved from cavemen is by saying that 2+2 =4 , or e=mc2 lately. you are saying that it doesnt matter. That is why I must challenge your ideas.
bufantas- I amo nit saying learning is not important hence my comment on the correction of disbelief in the Bible when there were not many finds now there are- I have studied in many things including our jewish heritage and in other studies relevant to life and my work I am not anti study
you did just say that you thought the Earth was 10k years old when the scientific method clearly puts it at 4.5 billion. The youngest dinosaur fossils are (I think) cretacious era c. 65 million years old. Dont let anyone tell you otherwise
bufantas- I am open and willing to learn but I test everything against Scripture which as a believer I see as the absolute word of God- as an aside- the Bible describes the earth as being round long before science found that out
bufantas - because the 66 books written over several thousand years have an accuracy rate of 100%. the 365 prophecies about Jesus could not have been forged e.g. Isaiah predicting crucifixion long before the method was used, casting lots for his garments, being born in Bethlehem on the very day prophecied in Daniel etc etc and it says it is the word of God
bufantas- who said men were cavemen? Early civilisations like the Sumerians, the Chaldeans etc were builders virtually from the start, unless you believed we evolved from apes in which case- darwin must be your man
Your only route to eternal life (why would you want that? Is there no beauty in being transient? Consider the butterfly? ) is if human knowledge and technology can provide it. If you want to rumble around in your Hi-Tech Robo skeleton and be 800 years old that is. Don`t let your pastor tell you otherwise. Be happy down here dude.
me being my usual self. sorry about that. Listen , Hopefully most peoples motivation for embracing Christianity is to be a better person. 10 out of 10 for that. If people dont change Humanity is doomed. BUT , promoting belief in invisible spirits , life after death etc etc etc just does not stack up. It is a lie. It is Mythology , same as Thor ,Apollo etc.
I think you are really funny. Tell me why you go to all of these sites where you know you will come up against people who claim to be Christians? You are a fervent preacher of your faith. But Saul, still breathing threats and murder against the disciples of the Lord, went to the high priest
I guess because I want people to have a better criteria for deciding how you establish what the truth is than the Christian one , which I believe to be a fairy story with nothing tangible to back it up. I want you to do better than this with your life.
Yes, based on your past and present post. I understand that you believe the life of Jesus is a fairy tale. To be honest I think we are all living fairy tales. By this I mean we are all only seeing shadows of reality. How do you define truth? What is the frame work that tells you it is wrong to hurt others? ect. Really, if there is no God life has no meaning it will all pass away as dust. So, why are you concerned?
I agree with you there Mack. Of course none of us knows the real truth. I suggest that the way to reveal it is by adopting the scientific method , which at least deals with objectivity and testable evidence. I suggest that belief in the supernatural has been dismantled by this approach and makes Christian fundamentalism untenable. I also believe that you do not need a God or Gods to act in a moral fashion. In fact pure altruism stems from not seeking heavenly rewards.
Therefore, life has no meaning because at some point all life will cease to exist and most certainly human life like the dinosaurs. That is why I ask what does it matter. Why even be moral? What is the scientific method for pure altruism? I think pure altruism is like communism it sounds great on paper but does not work out so well in real life. How can you define what is moral with science?
Look at history dude. There were plenty of soldiers in world war two who didnt believe in God , but they gave their lives for you and I regardless. Are you saying that was pointless and mistaken? I dare you to go to Normandy and tell the old boys who gather there that. Actually dont , because you already have the westover baptist church with their deranged ideas abusing our soldiers.
If there is no God nothing matters. And yes I would tell anyone the same thing even our WWII vets. It is the logical progression of thought. You are the one saying nothing matters. I am merely pointing it out. You are a moving target. Someday if there is no God our civilization and planet will crumble without a trace and therefore your post in you tube nor any soldiers life would have not mattered. Life would be meaningless this is common sense. Do you still not get it?
It probably is meaningless. I guess the trick is to find your own meaning. You have chosen to pick a God from the huge catalogue available , probably as a result of the geographical and cultural accident of where you were born. That is fine , you can even go around telling people it is somehow "real" if you like , however unlikely it seems to people who are educated. But PLEASE dont think that this gives some kind of moral authority . You can be an atheist and act with morals.
"If a man strikes his slave with a rod and he dies, he shall be punished. If he survives a day or two, no vengeance shall be taken; for he is his property."
use a baseball bat on black people. God says its ok.
or ... are there parts of the bible which are outdated moral codes for a primitive society?
should you reject most of it as irrelevant crap and just take the bits you think are groovy? and if you take out the invisible spirit stuff which only a fool would believe,you are not left with much are you?
1st off, it does not say specifically black people.
2nd. read all of exodus 21 before you get down on the culture. you cannot just take two verses because people take them out of context when they do so. if you read the rest of exodus 21, it says he will not be punished but he must compensate for the injuries inflicted upon his servant. so therefore, striking his slave does not go without consequences.
and nothing in the Bible is irrelevant crap just because you say it is. if you take out any part of the bible, you're missing the point and taking away from what God is trying to tell you.
and it is not a fool who would believe in it, but someone who has a deep faith and understands the deep love that is offered to us.
you have the audacity to claim that you know the mind of God? wow ,that is brave. Most of us think we only have a small inkling of the universe and its workings , thanks to science , and in spite of religious suppression. Noah`s ark? the garden of eden? talking serpents? Santa Claus? um , no
and why isnt there an eleventh commandment to say "thou shalt not keep slaves" this is the 21st century. Thinking that invisible spirits are listening to your miserable pleas is only appropriate if you live in a rainforest. or arkansas
ps well done at least for allowing dissent on the site. At least if we talk instead burning me at the stake there is hope. AND John Piper ,though I disagree with your philosophy on a fundemental level I respect your integrity. I know you dont have a mansion.
1. no I do not know the mind of God. I know what He has revealed to me in His word.
2. read jeremiah 34 about freedom of slaves.
3. yes, prayer is appropriate in a rainforest, arkansas....and everywhere else.
4. I or any true Christian would never burn you at the stake or even lay a hand on you. I am not fighting with you, I'm getting point across. Do not think for one second that I have an ounce of hatred or dislike towards you.
it's 7 minutes of one sermon. go listen to his sermon entitled "the freedom and justice of God in unconditional election" and then make another blanket statement about him simply scratching itching ears. you shouldn't make general statements like that...only unbelievers can enjoy his preaching?
I have never seen a preacher say so many words and say so little. Good with words, nothing to say. Maybe he should read the Bible. Some of you unbelievers might enjoy a preacher like this . You can sit in a pretty building and never hear the gospel and feel religious!
OK - enough of that side track. Back to the A+ conversation. (Do the British say A+?)
Bufantas: We both agree that logic and reason are useful. The question I'd like to ask is "Why is that so?" It seems that a universe which is purposeless and random shouldn't be investigated by logic and reason.
The more design and purpose the universe has, the better it is to investigate it with logic and reason. Does that make sense?
No the British do not say a+ . That sounds like George Orwell`s "new-speak" We use adjectives like "bloody marvellous" and "splendid" that is if you are farty and over 40 like me. the kids say " lush " and "pants"
I completely disagree (surprise!) with your assertion.
Logic and reason are the only methods for trying to establish the truth about what you dont know. That is why I am sitting in front of a computer , not freezing my butt off in a cave, wondering why the sky god doesnt start a fire for me. DOH .That is my problem with Christians. You accept superstition and reject proven science (evolution etc)
While I'm sure I'm misunderstanding atheism (and thanks for helping me), you are completely misunderstanding Christianity. We believe that since God created this world, we can learn about Him by studying it. Issac Newton couldn't sit and wonder why the sky god doesn't start a fire. He was astounded by space and designed telescopes to investigate the One who created it.
I think that the telescope guy was Galileo and he narrowly escaped execution for contradicting the teachings of the church , by saying the planets rotate around the sun. No tangible evidence for a creator , just philosophical argument. Creationism alive and well in the less gifted sections of the community. always good to hear from you mwest
most people in england were christian at that time before our society decided it was silly. Now we have tv and cars and the churches have 2 people in them.
I think we had more hungry poor people when this was a Christian country tho.
I am happy to say I DONT KNOW in big capitals about your last point. I believe the people who try to talk about jehovah fail to explain anything. They just present me with a story from a book. love buf
All tribes have a creation myth mr mwest , why did you choose that one instead of one of the many other ones on offer? Probably because you are fortunately an American citizen. ps if you can convince me God exits , I bet he lives in Maine (but has a place in the keys for the winter.)
Here's why I picked Christianity: (1) I believe the best explanation for why anything exists is because there is a God. (2) I find the life of Jesus amazingly compelling. (3) I find the teachings of Jesus polarizing. He's either lying, crazy or telling the truth.
I'm not sure that England was ever a "Christian" country. Christians who really follow Jesus take great care of the poor and hungry. (1) Jesus became poor - 2 Cor. 8:9. (2) He admired the poor - Mk. 12:42 (3) He ministered to the poor - Lk. 7:22; and (4) He criticized the rich - Mt. 19:23.
no problem with that my friend , just dont go on about invisible spirits that read my thoughts or you lose me. ps I would think that the country that most promotes the idea of personal wealth as the goal is probably the old usa (which I happen to love dearly)
I dont have any children , I was speaking in general terms , actually quoting Choi Hong Hi , Korean philosopher and founder of TaeKwonDo. You forgot to mention "misrepresented" in your list of options there
sorry , finger slipped. if creation requires a creator. who created the creator? I want the world to be populated by people who care about other people. this does not ( for me anyway) require a big guy upstairs. if anything the opposite is true
A rock would have to be infinitely large to defeat an limitless amount of lifting power. However, an "infinite rock" is a contradiction since material objects cannot be infinite.
again , who created him? or does creation not require a creator? damn, god just disappeared in a puff of logic. now the vicar is out of a job. ah well , we are short of carpenters in britain. he can learn that.
A Person outside of time had no beginning, and therefore does not require a creator. Mass and Time (special relativity) are intricately related, and therefore had a beginning. Is that any clearer than what I typed before?
i get ur point, but circular corners are possible, just when u use tat example again, mite not wanna use tat... its like when a corner is rounded offlike pillars, ...ah w/e
And who's trying to convince you evolution is wrong? I don't believe that's how God did it, but some Christians do: Arthur Peacocke, Russell Stannard, John Polkinghorne, and Francis Collins.
Actually if you read the bible god is kind of an asshole
devilshomie 5 days ago
@devilshomie God isn't an asshole. If he was an asshole then he wouldn't have sent down his only son to die on the cross for our sins.
hannanjo1 16 hours ago
@hannanjo1 Well let's see according to the bible if our kids disobey god wants us to stone them to death oh and if we eat shellfish or wear different fabrics then we're going to hell. God's kind of a prick
devilshomie 14 hours ago
Amen
jasieize 4 months ago
I am 21, and though he speaks to very young children, what he says applies directly to me and my generation. When will we stop playing with our trucks (video games, tv, parties, sports) and grow a holy ambition? What fools we are... I pray that God will rapidly awaken us to the utter importance of a life lived for Christ and the utter worthlessness of anything else; and not only awaken us, but also grant us the boldness and ability to act on such an awakening.
stevenashfan2313 4 months ago 6
@stevenashfan2313 WE would be fools if any religion was true. But there is not a shred of evidence that it is true ,Salvation makes no sense, even scriptures says so.
ndzoko 2 months ago
@stevenashfan2313 I
lovehumility7 1 month ago
@stevenashfan2313 Praise God for this did not come from yourself, it is the wisdom given by the Spirit. Don't worry about the haters, they don't understand and possibly never will.
kimmykimko 1 week ago
Amen!
B2kcookies 6 months ago
This is true what he is saying..you have to listen very carefully. We have to really get serious about the things of God! Satan is not playing. He comes to steal, kill and destroy, but Christ came that we might have life and that more abundantly. We have to start training them now while they are young.
prayzur 9 months ago
@prayzur
Amen!
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john piper is such a douche bag creepy weirdo
chiefmojorising1 10 months ago
You should name this "A Challenge For Children." As it stands it's misleading.
mbhudson11 1 year ago 3
When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put childish ways behind me. 1 Corinthians 13:11
jonathandawn 1 year ago 3
@aoiahiru You should get from what i said that Jesus is over everything in the Universe, including this naturalistic phylosophy that some call "science" but is nothing more than prejudice and proud.
lucasdasilvamaria 1 year ago
The reason people who claim that God doesn't exist watch good preaching is because every man knows deep in his heart that the God of Scripture exists, yet he continues to suppress the truth and deny Him. They know there is something right about the preaching, are intrigued by it, by are not willing to turn to Christ. Either that, or they are being prepared by God, drawn by him, in order that they will soon believe in the Gospel! I pray that anyone watching this will be subject to the latter!
MrJEdwardO 1 year ago 2
This guy feeds on babies
fishstickscc 1 year ago
@fishstickscc No you are thinking of abortion clinics.
Masaries1234 9 months ago
I think you all need to brighten up and realize that god doesn't exist
dudedudeshnitzel 1 year ago
@dudedudeshnitzel why did you watch the video if you dont believe God exist?
janieisanerd 1 year ago
The bible is a fraudulent attempt to manipulate your thinking, subvert your will, cripple your reason, and enslave your mind.
socksumi 1 year ago
Amen
justme228 2 years ago 3
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If you want your children to grow up healthy , keep them a LONG way from the clutches of religious fundamentalists , pedophiles and drug dealers.
ilikezappa 1 year ago
As a fundamentalist Christian I agree with that. Christians are supposed to be like Jesus and Jesus died young. If you want a long and easy life, avoid him!
Insaneplanetman 1 year ago
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He should not be allowed to abuse children with his falsehoods. I hope a responsible adult will reassure the poor kids that there is no evidence for any of his claims. What are their parents thinking ?
ilikezappa 2 years ago
The evidence is all around you, if you choose to ignore it; so be it. Yet, "Suffer them not to come unto me, for such is the Kingdom of God." I wouldn't advise getting in the way of children who can believe in Jesus Christ.
warriorspikes51 2 years ago
No , the "evidence " that people offer for the Christian God doesn`t impress and can be demolished by the scientific method , which has a proven track record.
ilikezappa 2 years ago
The scientific method was created by the mistake prone man..... it is worthless compared to God.
warriorspikes51 2 years ago 3
RELATING BACK TO THE ACTUAL VIDEO NOW PEOPLE...
So, because I'm a woman, I can't go out and fight injustice, but I'm supposed to work in nurseries? hmmm. righttt.
divineamour 2 years ago
I'm very for women working in the kingdom and responding to God's call, however, he was simply explaining how a girl's play time can develop into a Godly ambition. Let's not read too far into what he is saying because we know his complementarian views.
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Come and see my video about what the bible teaches about the wrath of God and who it is revealed against. It is not revealed against the general public. Come and find out.. seek truth and be set free
headachehealer 2 years ago
i challenge you to read the gospel of john and nothing else. the claims of Christianity ride solely upon the diety and the personhood of Christ. ...
-Two things for you: 1) No words or arguments will convince you, only the power of the Holly Spirit will give you ears to hear and eyes to see and understand the words of Christ
2) Christians fail. Every single follower of Christ, and the accounts of the Old Testament point to our failures as a people to glorify God. But not Christ. Study Christ
dj34angle 2 years ago 2
Amen , Amen, and Amen.
Thanks for that great Truth reminder of truth. JESUS doesn't just tell the truth. He IS the Truth! Wow! that blows me away.
So humbled by HIS Love.
Praise JESUS
chews4life 2 years ago 2
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PLEASE don't waste your life!
Live it to the full!
Too many religious types tell you to despise this life,
setting aside your plans and passions
to "set aside treasures in heaven."
But this life is all you have.
The "life after death" is a bronze-age myth.
"Emancipate yourself from mental slavery!
None but ourselves can free our minds!"
- Bob Marley
Imaginefree69 3 years ago
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young people? I wouldn't let this perverted, works-salvation-teaching heretic within 1000 feet of my kids.
POLITICA11Ycorrect 3 years ago
AMEN!
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Imaginefree69 3 years ago
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edwardchow650 3 years ago
does that include murderers who drown everybody in a global flood? sexually immoral deities who condemn gays? Sorcerers who make serpents talk? idolators who worship crosses? liars who claim that the world is 8ooo years old , in spite of all the evidence to the contrary? the lake of fire would seem like the place to cast that ridiculous book of dogma . start reading some science pleeeeeeeeeease
ilikezappa 3 years ago
ilikezappa: i know that you dont care if God is real or not beacuse that would mean you have to explain your conduct to someone higher than yourself, but honestly, there is no evidence for the earths age. carbon datin and other methods have been found to be false,being not always true.the cambrian explosion shows that evoultion is not a sound truth, and mainly its a theory anyways, a fancy guess. gays are not right therefore they are condemned, and Gods a sexually immoral being? thats weird...
neoi78 3 years ago
(cont:)ilikezappa::i've never heard that before. science is good for some things, but science cannot explain all the walks of life. how can science honestly describe the conscience? it cannot, look at leading scientists. see, the thing is christians are open to science, but science is not open to christ. i mean science is good but one must understand its limits. science explained genesis 1..the big bang. i 110% agree that God made the universe go BANG. before the BANG there was no space/time..
neoi78 3 years ago
neoi78:the thing is christians are open to science, but science is not open to christ.; You are right sir. Science tries to prove what it believes to be the truth and is not concerned with anything else. And if that truth runs into religion, so be it.
Philos2006 2 years ago
Some Christians are open to science , but the ones who propogate the idea that the world is only a few thousand years old and evolution does not occur certainly do not have any respect for it . They are at the deeply dismal end of the scale of ignorant cretinism.
ilikezappa 2 years ago
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"science is not open to christ"
As Philos says, science is concerned only with evidence.
If the evidence were to point to Christ,
science would embrace that.
But as the evidence does NOT point to Christ....
Imaginefree69 2 years ago
Christ points to Science and science doesn't have a finger to point at Christ. Science is not able to prove God because they can't see him. Much like the orgasm, science can only prove that because people feel it, other then that there are no sign it happened but many people also feel "God". Problem here is that man wants to be God, they cannot put faith in God because it takes away from their own greatness. Also people don't want to answer to a "God".
Ryantravisaol 2 years ago
Imaginefree69 2 years ago
There's no point to argue with you, to understand the things in the bible you have to have an open mind, which you obviously don't. One question though, do you leave comments on videos that promote Islam or Judaism etc.. or do you just hold a grudge with Christianity because we believe in Christ?
Ryantravisaol 2 years ago
You make many assumptions,
and mostly erroneous assumptions.
I was a pastor and bible teacher for 40 years.
I see both sides.
And, no, I do not address Islam or judaism
in any but the most general way
because I prefer to speak about what I know.
Imaginefree69 2 years ago
Why does this seem tediously familiar?
I post some verifiable facts about the Bible
(which is the topic of this video).
You respond with insults, judgements, snide comments,
and never address the topic under discussion.
You seem to feel that throwing stones at me
is as legitimate an argument
as actually bringing a few FACTS to the table.
Why is that?
Imaginefree69 2 years ago
you make is sound like i sat back and wrote a 20 minute long bash fest, actually all I said was an opinion-you're close minded. I never called you names, or berated you. You're just making things up now and as far as your "Facts", well, those are also opinion because there based on interpretation. My point is to show you that you have a closed mind and that people should be able to chose their path without hatred from another. You would rather find my words as threatening, why is that?
Ryantravisaol 2 years ago
Imaginefree69 2 years ago
and people like you would argue that the Bible is all made up, stories meant to teach us morals and that we are all presumed to take from the Bible what we interpret. With that said, why would I sit here and fight your interpretation with mine? I believe the "big bang" was God creating our "world", I believe in Jesus Christ as the Son of God and I believe that 70% of the Bible is fact with the rest being "stories" to evoke morals.
Ryantravisaol 2 years ago
part2- your mind isn't "Open" like mine was/is to the Bible so i took it more literal then you. That's my point-as I have stated many times to you. Your "factual assertions" are honestly noting more then your opinions, you cannot prove what you read as true therefore they're not fact. Anyone with an understanding of the Bible will tell you that it is not written in such a way to be taken "literately". It is written that Gods "time" is not like ours. 4k years would be more like 4 billion to us.
Ryantravisaol 2 years ago
No. This book is not the only witness to God.
God is his own wItness throIgh Jesus Christ.
THEN 12, then 70, then 120, then 5000, then 8000, then Jerusalem, them Samaria, then the whole Middle East, Asia, Europe, BILLIONS AND BILLIONS of the whole world in 2 thousand years have witnessed with miracles, and blood and sacrifice and praise and joy and repentance and living THAT JESUS IS THE TRUE GOD.
Science get flat under JESUS' feet (from a Biology teacher).
lucasdasilvamaria 2 years ago 32
@lucasdasilvamaria Amen!
nasipadang 1 year ago
(cont3:)ilikezappa::therefore God lives outside of space/time, is this hard to imagine? darwin could never have imagined the complex cell when he made the Origin Of Life. basically my point..Science doesnt have all the answers, it has some, but not all. Science cannot really explain how to go about asking a girl on a date. Its just not science. There are some things that are just not science. -neoi78
neoi78 3 years ago
The moment you said "there is no evidence for the worlds age" you lost me fellah.
Stop getting your information from Lee Strobel and talk to a geologist.
Ps It is scientifically proven that to get a girl to go out with you , you must get her drunk and show her your Ferrari
ilikezappa 3 years ago
so u saying that God isnt real right??
solachristos2 2 years ago
there are thousands of gods. All cultures invent stories to try and explain creation. The Christian god is just another story. it has become popular because the west has the best guns.
ilikezappa 2 years ago
neoi78 :Science doesnt have all the answers, it has some, but not all. : That`s the beauty of science. It will never have all the answers. Only religion has all the answers: "god did it." HOW SUPER STUPID. Science comes up with the best explanation the human mind can find and welcomes all attempts to prove it wrong.
Philos2006 2 years ago
Thanks for the video.
shodapad07 3 years ago 10
Great sermon. It's really important to have a holy ambition, but it's a process. =)
Yahushua is Lord! Give Him praise and glory for who He is! HalleluYAH!
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TheDarkLordLucifer 3 years ago
How do u know what god wants you to do lol
DiZZiDeX 3 years ago
Amen! :D
Jer1400 3 years ago
Science in itself is proof that there has to be a creator. How else would a cell know when to preform mytosis? How else could a monarch butterfly detect its lover's scent eight kilometers away? There is a greater power than us. So go ahead and try to diprove me and what i believe, it wont work.
God is love and love is real.
YAYitsRachel 3 years ago 3
A cell doesn't "know" things in the sense that YOU know things. It just "does". You might as well ask yourself "how does light know it's supposed to travel at 186282.397 miles per second". It's a non sequitur question.
brazensteel 3 years ago
Let a man meet a bear robbed of its cubs rather than a fool in his folly.Proverbs 17:12. To compare the work of mytosis to light traveling is the most asinine comparison imaginable. Obvioulsy there is data in the cell to make these things happen.
jgl0861 3 years ago
Judge not, that you be not judged. Matthew 7:1
Quoting the bible to make a point is about as useful as making a ladder out of the clouds.
BrazenSteel 3:13
brazensteel 3 years ago
LOL ... Non Christians are hilarious ( and frustating ) when interpreting ( or when they interpret ) the Bible ... Matthew 7 is talking about not being self righteous or doing a hypocritical judgement ( like the Pharisees ) ... the Bible talks ( and advises ) on good judgement from the authority of God and his word ... testing the spirits and doctrines ... nice try but you don't know what you were talking about ... Have a nice day
VJDTropical 3 years ago 3
There is enough in the bible to essential fit any moral viewpoint. Interpretation, after all, is subjective. That's why it's called interpretation and not decryption.
brazensteel 3 years ago
Your right interpretation is subjective. But the Bible, like every other piece of literature in history, has an objective meaning.
buckilou 3 years ago
And who gets to interpret the objective meaning?
brazensteel 3 years ago
Oh, the judging verse is a favorite of non Christians. It seems it's one of the few they know. (Or rather, think they know. Because as you've pointed out, they get it all wrong.)
Yesica1993 3 years ago
I love how every comment section on any religious video on here gets reduced to Science vs Religion... as if you could convince someone to follow Jesus with enough scientific evidence (or rhetoric).
By contrast, Scientific rhetoric can't denounce someone's faith. It's something that's personal and emotional and you can't reason someone into or out of it. That's like trying to explain objectively why someone shouldn't love their wife.
thamuzicaddict 3 years ago
people dont get converted because of creation science(although it is nice to know it) people get converted through preaching the Word of God! because that is where the power lies!! THE WORD! Amen?
tobigforyou 3 years ago
I would change that to 'living the word of god'
Plenty of people can preach, but nobody is going to be convinced until they see a totally different lifestyle emerge out of that.
thamuzicaddict 3 years ago
Not quite thamuzic , it is more like if one of your friends loved his wife , who he believed was invisible and could influence the weather by her thoughts , and that no-one else could see. You might want to talk to him gently! And Tobig, Creationism is the opposite of science. Please dont taint something beautiful by suggesting that there is any common ground. All the scientific evidence demolishes Creationism completely. Amen
bufantas 3 years ago
Well by that logic, 90% of the world's population needs a gentle talking-to.
I'm not talking about converting people. I'm trying to explain how deep Christian allegiance can run in people, no matter how weird or nonsensical it might seem to you.
I think there's plenty of scientific evidence to suggest we're not all here by accident, but I guess it all depends on what you want to believe.
thamuzicaddict 3 years ago
Have to agree with the first bit. Have yet to see any papers published in reputable scientific journals which provide any tangible evidence for your last assertion.
bufantas 3 years ago
A scientist's reputation hinges on their refusal to give any credit to a greater power, so if you're waiting for 'reputable scientific journals' to make some spiritual or supernatural discovery, don't hold your breath.
Personally, I find the idea of a fine-tuned universe at least points to the possibility of a creator, despite what religious background you come from.
thamuzicaddict 3 years ago
I have to wonder why you're browsing John Piper videos in the first place just to start generic God vs Science debates.
thamuzicaddict 3 years ago 2
well I guess the job of science is to seek natural explanations for observed phenomena so you are kind of right there musicman. However, no supernatural events have ever been conclusively demonstrated. Just because a Bolivian peasant sees an image of the virgin in a llama turd you can forgive me for not embracing Catholicism. not to say that the world isnt full of jaw dropping wonder btw , but shouting "creator!" when you witness it doesnt work for me . ps Generic? ouch , how hurtful. xx
bufantas 3 years ago
haha, well you must know this argument isn't anything new for Christians. Not that it isn't fun to debate occasionally, it just seemed like kind of an arbitrary place to have it. Well, unless I am to assume every religious-themed video on YouTube is having a comment war about Science vs God.
thamuzicaddict 3 years ago 2
You are right again musicman. I ought to go and harass the vicar instead ,but she seems so sweet and harmless . Have a good day fellah
bufantas 3 years ago
bufantas- the measure you are beleiving in is why you think its older- there is a huge problem with carbon dating- I distrust your measure, Darwinism is still a theory with gaps, stallegtites can grow within a few decades- many theories are now in question
pianohbc 3 years ago
Darwininsm a theory with gaps , so you dismiss it? but you are quite happy to believe that Noah could build a boat which could house and support 80 million creatures and that serpents can talk? that is funny
bufantas 3 years ago
Yes that is the consensus among non christians (i.e. everyone else )
have to go. thanks for sparring.
ps I wish you well
bufantas 3 years ago
bufantas- thanks too wish you well
pianohbc 3 years ago
bufantas- Noah built an ark to float not a boat to sail- he spent 40 years building it and took two of every kind not species- the Bible says there had been no rain to that point, the earth was like a rain forest, therefore there was not the ecological diversity that followed afterwards
pianohbc 3 years ago 2
you might want to look at how much ecological diversity there is in a rain forest before you believe such daft ideas . Where did he get the Australian Salt water crocodiles from? they have been around for millions of years but they live (guess what?) IN AUSTRALIA
did he UPS them?
bufantas 3 years ago
the world back then didn't look anything compared to what it does now. It looks completely different because of the flood. Back in that time there could've beena passage between australia and europe. And on the topic of those 80 million animals just like pianohbc said noah took two of every kind not species so that means that you wouldn't have a wolf and a chocolate lab, you would just have a dog species and that became how many species we have today.
grotto13 3 years ago
i luv this man :)
lhpstillsmallvoice 4 years ago 4
Bufantas, do you believe that anyone who believes in God does not believe in the sciences? Some do, but there are some scientific theories that have never been proven. That's why it takes FAITH for scientists and evolutionists to believe them. Just as it takes faith to believe every word written in a book from some authors we believe were inspired by God and that it was "God-breathed". Although, there have actuallly been some traces lately that point out some historical truth in our Bible.
jzrozzn8706 4 years ago 2
I reject that argument. you have faith because there is nothing of any substance to support your beliefs. scientific theories have mathematics to support them and are subject to rigorous testing and review by peers before they are accepted. Your idea that you live after you die would not get past the starting post. science is empirical but this is NOT the same as blind faith
bufantas 4 years ago
There are some scientists who believe in God. The small minority I would venture , and you would have to look hard to find a reputable scientist who had any time for the fundamentalist "theory" of creation. Find me a geologist who thinks the world is only 4500 thousand years old .
bufantas 4 years ago
bufantas- years ago there was very little obvious archeological proof- now there are many sites, absaloms tower, Solomons stables etc. There is a huge move to revise the age of the earth which is as the Bible says no more than about 10,000 years, man lived with dinasours - now believed plausible, the flood accepted - God is not wrong- its our knowledge
pianohbc 3 years ago
Who says the Earth is that young ? Find me an eminent geologist , you know the people whose job is to objectively measure its age using many different methods. The only people who think men lived with dinosaurs and the earth is only 4 days old are fundamentalist Christians who dont know anything about science and dont care that the scientific world thinks you are mental. c`mon dude stop ignoring the facts , it undermines your credibility
bufantas 3 years ago
bufantas- my credibility is in Christ alone- I accept that He is the potter and I am the clay and that at present I see things as in a mirror darkly but later I will see in full- whilst I appreciate your need for proof- faith is the hope of that which is unseen and of what is to come.
pianohbc 3 years ago
pianohbc ; I dont want to sound harsh. I am sure you are a decent person who would not allow tramps to starve etc , but that attitude to learning is disgraceful me. The only way mankind has evolved from cavemen is by saying that 2+2 =4 , or e=mc2 lately. you are saying that it doesnt matter. That is why I must challenge your ideas.
bufantas 3 years ago
bufantas- I amo nit saying learning is not important hence my comment on the correction of disbelief in the Bible when there were not many finds now there are- I have studied in many things including our jewish heritage and in other studies relevant to life and my work I am not anti study
pianohbc 3 years ago
you did just say that you thought the Earth was 10k years old when the scientific method clearly puts it at 4.5 billion. The youngest dinosaur fossils are (I think) cretacious era c. 65 million years old. Dont let anyone tell you otherwise
bufantas 3 years ago
bufantas- I am open and willing to learn but I test everything against Scripture which as a believer I see as the absolute word of God- as an aside- the Bible describes the earth as being round long before science found that out
pianohbc 3 years ago
what is your basis for believing the bible to be the word of God?
bufantas 3 years ago
bufantas - because the 66 books written over several thousand years have an accuracy rate of 100%. the 365 prophecies about Jesus could not have been forged e.g. Isaiah predicting crucifixion long before the method was used, casting lots for his garments, being born in Bethlehem on the very day prophecied in Daniel etc etc and it says it is the word of God
pianohbc 3 years ago
bufantas- who said men were cavemen? Early civilisations like the Sumerians, the Chaldeans etc were builders virtually from the start, unless you believed we evolved from apes in which case- darwin must be your man
pianohbc 3 years ago
Did you hear about the english teacher who went to jail in the sudan for calling her teddy bear mohammed ? What do you think of that?
bufantas 4 years ago
Your only route to eternal life (why would you want that? Is there no beauty in being transient? Consider the butterfly? ) is if human knowledge and technology can provide it. If you want to rumble around in your Hi-Tech Robo skeleton and be 800 years old that is. Don`t let your pastor tell you otherwise. Be happy down here dude.
bufantas 4 years ago
dude ur lost forreal
Jiballin 3 years ago
me being my usual self. sorry about that. Listen , Hopefully most peoples motivation for embracing Christianity is to be a better person. 10 out of 10 for that. If people dont change Humanity is doomed. BUT , promoting belief in invisible spirits , life after death etc etc etc just does not stack up. It is a lie. It is Mythology , same as Thor ,Apollo etc.
bufantas 4 years ago
I think you are really funny. Tell me why you go to all of these sites where you know you will come up against people who claim to be Christians? You are a fervent preacher of your faith. But Saul, still breathing threats and murder against the disciples of the Lord, went to the high priest
mack133 4 years ago
I guess because I want people to have a better criteria for deciding how you establish what the truth is than the Christian one , which I believe to be a fairy story with nothing tangible to back it up. I want you to do better than this with your life.
bufantas 4 years ago
Yes, based on your past and present post. I understand that you believe the life of Jesus is a fairy tale. To be honest I think we are all living fairy tales. By this I mean we are all only seeing shadows of reality. How do you define truth? What is the frame work that tells you it is wrong to hurt others? ect. Really, if there is no God life has no meaning it will all pass away as dust. So, why are you concerned?
mack133 4 years ago
I agree with you there Mack. Of course none of us knows the real truth. I suggest that the way to reveal it is by adopting the scientific method , which at least deals with objectivity and testable evidence. I suggest that belief in the supernatural has been dismantled by this approach and makes Christian fundamentalism untenable. I also believe that you do not need a God or Gods to act in a moral fashion. In fact pure altruism stems from not seeking heavenly rewards.
bufantas 4 years ago
Therefore, life has no meaning because at some point all life will cease to exist and most certainly human life like the dinosaurs. That is why I ask what does it matter. Why even be moral? What is the scientific method for pure altruism? I think pure altruism is like communism it sounds great on paper but does not work out so well in real life. How can you define what is moral with science?
mack133 4 years ago
mack , are you stalking me? I am armed.
Look at history dude. There were plenty of soldiers in world war two who didnt believe in God , but they gave their lives for you and I regardless. Are you saying that was pointless and mistaken? I dare you to go to Normandy and tell the old boys who gather there that. Actually dont , because you already have the westover baptist church with their deranged ideas abusing our soldiers.
bufantas 4 years ago
If there is no God nothing matters. And yes I would tell anyone the same thing even our WWII vets. It is the logical progression of thought. You are the one saying nothing matters. I am merely pointing it out. You are a moving target. Someday if there is no God our civilization and planet will crumble without a trace and therefore your post in you tube nor any soldiers life would have not mattered. Life would be meaningless this is common sense. Do you still not get it?
mack133 4 years ago
It probably is meaningless. I guess the trick is to find your own meaning. You have chosen to pick a God from the huge catalogue available , probably as a result of the geographical and cultural accident of where you were born. That is fine , you can even go around telling people it is somehow "real" if you like , however unlikely it seems to people who are educated. But PLEASE dont think that this gives some kind of moral authority . You can be an atheist and act with morals.
bufantas 4 years ago
I agree
Jiballin 3 years ago
ok , better off listening to the dumb people then jib. they have it all figured out
a magic creature did it! We dont know how , but it says it here in a book. oh , that is such a satisfying explanaton
bufantas 3 years ago
there is no way of explaining God I cant stand why you people try to explain with science your soo educated but sound stupid
Jiballin 3 years ago
Wow, where did that little fight between bu and sarah come from? lol...Anyways...this is a good little bit of wisdom from an Old Christian man.
lighteclipseca 4 years ago
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Exodus 21:20-21
"If a man strikes his slave with a rod and he dies, he shall be punished. If he survives a day or two, no vengeance shall be taken; for he is his property."
use a baseball bat on black people. God says its ok.
bufantas 4 years ago
or ... are there parts of the bible which are outdated moral codes for a primitive society?
should you reject most of it as irrelevant crap and just take the bits you think are groovy? and if you take out the invisible spirit stuff which only a fool would believe,you are not left with much are you?
bufantas 4 years ago
1st off, it does not say specifically black people.
2nd. read all of exodus 21 before you get down on the culture. you cannot just take two verses because people take them out of context when they do so. if you read the rest of exodus 21, it says he will not be punished but he must compensate for the injuries inflicted upon his servant. so therefore, striking his slave does not go without consequences.
and therefore, God does not think it is okay.
saraheugene 4 years ago
and nothing in the Bible is irrelevant crap just because you say it is. if you take out any part of the bible, you're missing the point and taking away from what God is trying to tell you.
and it is not a fool who would believe in it, but someone who has a deep faith and understands the deep love that is offered to us.
saraheugene 4 years ago
you have the audacity to claim that you know the mind of God? wow ,that is brave. Most of us think we only have a small inkling of the universe and its workings , thanks to science , and in spite of religious suppression. Noah`s ark? the garden of eden? talking serpents? Santa Claus? um , no
bufantas 4 years ago
and why isnt there an eleventh commandment to say "thou shalt not keep slaves" this is the 21st century. Thinking that invisible spirits are listening to your miserable pleas is only appropriate if you live in a rainforest. or arkansas
bufantas 4 years ago
ps well done at least for allowing dissent on the site. At least if we talk instead burning me at the stake there is hope. AND John Piper ,though I disagree with your philosophy on a fundemental level I respect your integrity. I know you dont have a mansion.
bufantas 4 years ago
1. no I do not know the mind of God. I know what He has revealed to me in His word.
2. read jeremiah 34 about freedom of slaves.
3. yes, prayer is appropriate in a rainforest, arkansas....and everywhere else.
4. I or any true Christian would never burn you at the stake or even lay a hand on you. I am not fighting with you, I'm getting point across. Do not think for one second that I have an ounce of hatred or dislike towards you.
saraheugene 4 years ago
thats nice sara , can we go out together? I have money. x
bufantas 4 years ago
ps hey john piper ! leave those kids alone!
bufantas 4 years ago
:) how about *i make all things new* Jesus(God) on his death made all things new sin was swiped away; the old was undone... *new things have come*
Trixstor 4 years ago
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in that case ill keep slapping the fucking mongo till he shouts 'Satan rules'
jaseharris2112 4 years ago
He would probably forgive you for that
bufantas 4 years ago 3
idiopathogen,
it's 7 minutes of one sermon. go listen to his sermon entitled "the freedom and justice of God in unconditional election" and then make another blanket statement about him simply scratching itching ears. you shouldn't make general statements like that...only unbelievers can enjoy his preaching?
trueQness 4 years ago
I have never seen a preacher say so many words and say so little. Good with words, nothing to say. Maybe he should read the Bible. Some of you unbelievers might enjoy a preacher like this . You can sit in a pretty building and never hear the gospel and feel religious!
Idiopathogen 4 years ago
Hi idiopathogen. Are you a Christian?
mwesterholm 4 years ago
I would sooner be in the pub. we have people who talk bollocks there as well , but you can heckle them. mines a guinness !
bufantas 4 years ago
umm... you do realise he's addressing children here.
christopherasaurus 4 years ago
Wow. A civilized debate on Youtube comments. I think hell just froze over.
TradaPIB 4 years ago
OK - enough of that side track. Back to the A+ conversation. (Do the British say A+?)
Bufantas: We both agree that logic and reason are useful. The question I'd like to ask is "Why is that so?" It seems that a universe which is purposeless and random shouldn't be investigated by logic and reason.
The more design and purpose the universe has, the better it is to investigate it with logic and reason. Does that make sense?
mwesterholm 4 years ago
No the British do not say a+ . That sounds like George Orwell`s "new-speak" We use adjectives like "bloody marvellous" and "splendid" that is if you are farty and over 40 like me. the kids say " lush " and "pants"
bufantas 4 years ago
oh no , I just said the "E" word. Deep breath....
ps Hi TradaPIB , that is because hell is in Canada..
bufantas 4 years ago
pps where are you john piper? I would love to talk to you. I believe you to be sincere and passionate about your beliefs. do you read these pages?
bufantas 4 years ago
I completely disagree (surprise!) with your assertion.
Logic and reason are the only methods for trying to establish the truth about what you dont know. That is why I am sitting in front of a computer , not freezing my butt off in a cave, wondering why the sky god doesnt start a fire for me. DOH .That is my problem with Christians. You accept superstition and reject proven science (evolution etc)
bufantas 4 years ago
While I'm sure I'm misunderstanding atheism (and thanks for helping me), you are completely misunderstanding Christianity. We believe that since God created this world, we can learn about Him by studying it. Issac Newton couldn't sit and wonder why the sky god doesn't start a fire. He was astounded by space and designed telescopes to investigate the One who created it.
mwesterholm 4 years ago
I think that the telescope guy was Galileo and he narrowly escaped execution for contradicting the teachings of the church , by saying the planets rotate around the sun. No tangible evidence for a creator , just philosophical argument. Creationism alive and well in the less gifted sections of the community. always good to hear from you mwest
bufantas 4 years ago
You're right about Galileo. I was thinking of Newton, who was the most influencial scientist in human history and a devoted Christian.
No tangible evidence? Only philosophical argument? How about this, Bufantas . . .
I put all tangible evidence into this question: Why is there anything AT ALL?
mwesterholm 4 years ago
most people in england were christian at that time before our society decided it was silly. Now we have tv and cars and the churches have 2 people in them.
I think we had more hungry poor people when this was a Christian country tho.
I am happy to say I DONT KNOW in big capitals about your last point. I believe the people who try to talk about jehovah fail to explain anything. They just present me with a story from a book. love buf
bufantas 4 years ago
All tribes have a creation myth mr mwest , why did you choose that one instead of one of the many other ones on offer? Probably because you are fortunately an American citizen. ps if you can convince me God exits , I bet he lives in Maine (but has a place in the keys for the winter.)
bufantas 4 years ago
Here's why I picked Christianity: (1) I believe the best explanation for why anything exists is because there is a God. (2) I find the life of Jesus amazingly compelling. (3) I find the teachings of Jesus polarizing. He's either lying, crazy or telling the truth.
mwesterholm 4 years ago
I'm not sure that England was ever a "Christian" country. Christians who really follow Jesus take great care of the poor and hungry. (1) Jesus became poor - 2 Cor. 8:9. (2) He admired the poor - Mk. 12:42 (3) He ministered to the poor - Lk. 7:22; and (4) He criticized the rich - Mt. 19:23.
mwesterholm 4 years ago
no problem with that my friend , just dont go on about invisible spirits that read my thoughts or you lose me. ps I would think that the country that most promotes the idea of personal wealth as the goal is probably the old usa (which I happen to love dearly)
bufantas 4 years ago
ps I thought you had given up on me. good to hear from you
bufantas 4 years ago
What did you mean, then, when you wrote about wanting to leave your children a "spiritual legacy"?
mwesterholm 4 years ago
I dont have any children , I was speaking in general terms , actually quoting Choi Hong Hi , Korean philosopher and founder of TaeKwonDo. You forgot to mention "misrepresented" in your list of options there
bufantas 4 years ago
sorry , finger slipped. if creation requires a creator. who created the creator? I want the world to be populated by people who care about other people. this does not ( for me anyway) require a big guy upstairs. if anything the opposite is true
bufantas 4 years ago
thought for the day ; could an all powerful god create a stone which was too heavy for him to lift?
bufantas 4 years ago
A rock would have to be infinitely large to defeat an limitless amount of lifting power. However, an "infinite rock" is a contradiction since material objects cannot be infinite.
mwesterholm 4 years ago
again , who created him? or does creation not require a creator? damn, god just disappeared in a puff of logic. now the vicar is out of a job. ah well , we are short of carpenters in britain. he can learn that.
bufantas 4 years ago
A Person outside of time had no beginning, and therefore does not require a creator. Mass and Time (special relativity) are intricately related, and therefore had a beginning. Is that any clearer than what I typed before?
mwesterholm 4 years ago
Time, energy and mass are all related (right, Einstein). The Person who created them had to exist outside of time, and therefore had no beginning.
mwesterholm 4 years ago
so the power of god is limited by the constraints of physics?
bufantas 4 years ago
No. "Infinite Rock" makes as much sense as "two-sided triangle" or "circular corner". It's a definition problem, rather than a matter of omnipotence.
mwesterholm 4 years ago
i get ur point, but circular corners are possible, just when u use tat example again, mite not wanna use tat... its like when a corner is rounded offlike pillars, ...ah w/e
cephas153 4 years ago
I know its an old chestnut but if you believe cereation requir
bufantas 4 years ago
And who's trying to convince you evolution is wrong? I don't believe that's how God did it, but some Christians do: Arthur Peacocke, Russell Stannard, John Polkinghorne, and Francis Collins.
mwesterholm 4 years ago
the implication is that my comments are cheap . How could you be so mean? I forgive you tho glad he is ok
bufantas 4 years ago
Which Christian Ethic you like best:
Raping children
or
Lying about it?
rtanweb 4 years ago
that is a cheap shot. joseph stalin was an a