I don't believe it was a surprise to anyone that it would be Canford Cliff and Goldikova fighting out the Queen Anne for the win? But I have to say that I was very impressed with the effort that Cityscape put forth in this race, also!! He was really right there running nearly stride for stride with both of them until about the final 100 meters!! Roger Charlton had to be really pleased with that effort from Cityscape!! Running that well against 2 of the premier turf milers in the world. JMO.
Really sucks that Canford Cliffs had to be retired after the 2011 Sussex Stakes. I know Henry Cecil had by then already said that Frankel wasn't coming to the US for this year's Breeders Cup races. But I was really looking forward to Canford Cliffs and Goldikova hooking up again at Churchill Downs for the 2011 BC Mile. Still going to be some good horses in the race, though. I don't think this year's BC Mile is as much a given for Goldikova as some of the others have been? Watch for Excelebration
i love how goldikova always has her head down and shes concentrating! when CC pulled away she sorta looked to the side... that would have broken her heart!
funny how workforce did exactly the same thing as Canford in the king george but you didnt get Sir Michael making excuses and coming up with phantom injuries, the Hannon camp should learn from the great trainers Sir Michael and Sir Henry on how to let your horses do the talking and how to lose with dignity
@john131349 john as you no i am the poacher,let me say to you its bean a pleasure to have all the banter with you and all the others i am sorry if i have offended anyone but to be faire its kept me going through these last few months no doubt these discutions will carry on but its time for me to leave,so you can all have youre say about me but i have enjoyed it, frankel is a truly a super star and i hope he gives you all the fun of racing for many years to come.the poacher/karlholland,cc fan .
champion miler canford cliffs has been retired frome racing on veternary advice du to a near-fore paster injury which he suffered during the sussex stakes at goodwood last week the brilliant miler will stand at coolmoor stud.......
@john131349 when i think of it we all should not be fighting over who is the best frankel or canford cliffs because we all have differant views,we will all look back in time and think to oure selfs whot a plonker for saying that.we should all be very thankfull of these to great horses and the pleasure that they have given us it doesant matter who really is better than the other we all want one thing and that is to see a thrilling race so lets just enjoy while we have the chance.
everybody seems to just write CC off and if he can stay with frankel in the last 2f i think CC will have what it takes to take it by a half length purely on the basis of each of the horses last runs, frankel has an engine but as we seen in the st.james if used to early it will burn out and CC has that staying power waiting to play his hand ! , its going to be a great race and may the best horse win !
UNTIL CC goes to France & WINS, let alone beats Goldi in HER back yard, he cannot be said to be better: he beat her 1L with her jock 2lb o/w @ Ascot. UNTIL he goes to the Breeders Cup & stuffs horses in THEIR back yard the way SHE did he is NOT better than she is. CC is very VERY good, but the mare is exceptional & Frankel is FRIGHTENING! IF Fr stays in training he might well hit 140 rating some day: can see him winning a Breeders Cup race & a HK Mile. Let's hope they save a bit for 2012!
Don't forget that Peslier actually weighed in 2 pounds heavy (was reported just one). To me that cost Goldkova the race. Over the same distance on the same day CC ran just over a second faster than Frankel did. With the weight allowance for 3 year olds I think Frankel appears the better bet. I definately think he's better than CC but a lot depends on whether HC/TQ get the tactics right
@Jaygud Sorry! But you cannot compare Ascot times between CC & Frankel: they were on DIFFERENT COURSES (one the straight mile & one the round course) :O)PP
CC COULD beat Frankel, if lightning strikes, TQ has a rush of blood or Fr is unwell... but Frankel's ALREADY rated 8lbs higher than CC was at respective point in careers, Frankel's ALREADY 3lbs higher than CC's 4yr old rating & Frankel RECEIVES 8lbs at GG. Losing almost incomprehensible but even IF Frankel is beaten he's still better
@KarlHolland09 that is bollocks if he had a serious injury he would not have finished 2nd he would have pulled up, watch the race again after the finish does Hughes jump off him, is he limping in the unsaddling enclosure? he was surrounded by channel 4 cameras and no one mentioned any injury at the time, it was just a sad excuse from the Hannon camp because they cant accept defeat and hes been retired to save his stud value as another hammering from Frankel would see it drop
Cape Blanco's headed to America to face Gio Ponti in the G1 Man O' War Stakes over 10f at Belmont Park for his next start. Gio Ponti has won the last running's of the race, and has had more G1 success on the turf at Belmont than any other racetrack in America. Depends on which Cape Blanco shows up, as to whether or not he'll beat Gio Ponti, IMO? The 2010 Irish Champion Stakes Cape Blanco can certainly beat Gio Ponti. But not the Prix Ganay or Queen Anne Stake Cape Blanco. TJMO.
@thepoacher2010 lol CC will never have moved that quick in his life high cruising speed is not good enough when the horse in front is running 11 seconds a furlong, i know its impossible but try to imagine CC in this years 2000 guineas he would have been about 15 lengths down at halfway and might have beaten dubawi gold for 2nd but he would not have caught frankel, CC will be taken out of his comfort zone and have to work for the 1st half of the race, that will affect his finishing kick
@thepoacher2010 Dettori didnt think it was a pacemaker, he went after him on cassamento and paid the price, CC cannot run as fast as Frankel simple as that, he looks good in a steady run race using his turn of foot in the last 2 furlongs, thats not good enough against Frankel because he can quicken for 4 furlongs, CC is no superstar he never won his guineas and only beat rip van winkel last year, also if you look at this race cityscape and rio de la plata are close up its not great form
@thepoacher2010 rio de la plata finishing close up says its not great form, you have got the cheek to say Frankel has beaten nothing but there were more group 1 winners in the st james palace than there were in this race, CC got beaten in his guineas yet Frankel put up the most amazing guineas performance in history, brigadeer gerrard/el gran senor/nijinski/dancing brave they were all great guineas winners but none of them was as spectacular as Frankel
@thepoacher2010 in your official capacity as what? the worlds worst speller? keep putting your money on canford, you will make a lot of bookies happy when Frankel destroys him
@thepoacher2010 i dont think they will meet in the sussex, Hannons no fool and he has dubawi gold in his yard, he knows dubawi is 7 lengths off Frankel at best so all he has to do is gallop dubawi with CC (carrying 9 pounds extra) and see if CC can finish more than 7 lenghts clear, i dont think he can and think Frankel will go for the sussex then the international and CC will swerve him and go for the eclipse then back to the group 1 mile races
what all the CC fans are missing is the point that CC hasa great turn of foot when hes allowed to switch off and gallop at his own pace, when he meets Frankel if he does that he'll be about 10 lengths down at the 2 pole, will Frankel slow down enough for him? CC has a choice give away distance or sit closer to Frankel and use up the energy you usually save for your finishing kick
@john131349 I doubt his connections will persist with the current tactics for Frankel when he steps up aginast the real good horses and trainers will start putting fast early pace horse along side to sap his energy. No, he will have to learn to settle if he has any chance against the very best open age horses.
@SvendBosanvovski its interesting that people are assuming that the 3 year old colts beaten by Frankel are useless, time might prove this wrong when the all age races start soon, the one thing Frankel has is the ability to push on and do 3 - 4 furlongs at near sprint speed, CC and goldikova cant match that burst if CC tried to go with him he'd collapse in a heap before the furlong pole
@john131349 Frankel has only raced three times on firm ground. He hung on in the St James Palace, won the Guineas in the second slowest time for 30 years (only Henrythenavigaor ran a slower time in the Guineas in that time, that was on a wet track), and beat a bunch of scrubbers in his first win on a firm track. They went so slow in that race that the ambulance almost run over them. He appears to be a very good three year old, but still has a lot to prove.
@SvendBosanvovski the fields Frankel is demolishing contain quite a number of group 1 winners, they are hardly snails, zoffany may be interesting later in the season if he meets CC, but over a mile to a mile and a half no horse can match that 3 - 4 burst of speed that Frankel kills off the opposition with, bty Frankels guineas time was faster than that of dancing brave/el gran senor/brigadeer gerard and nijinski
@john131349 Something has to win them. John, I'm not saying Frankel isn't a good 3yo. I just think he has a lot more to prove before he is compared with the great. Frankel hasnt raced beyond 8f, so we have no idea how he will go over 1.5 miles. The way he slowed in the St James Palace sugegst a mile is as far as he wants to go at this stage. Of course, when he matures he may develop into a strong middle distance horse.
@SvendBosanvovski Frankel will never race 1m 4f so that one is dead to start with. I wouldn't say Frankel slowed in the St James Palace stakes either, I remember his Royal Lodge demolition which was at Ascot over the same distance and he ran to the line. The pace was rather quick in this years St James but I think Frankel was idling more than anything and it was a purely bad tactics from connections. If they hold him up and unleash him 2f's out there isn't an horse who can live with him....
@SvendBosanvovski And Im confident that Frankel would beat Canford Cliffs aswell. Canford Cliffs remember isn't unbeatable. Dick Turpin as found the better of him twice on there four meetings...
@ASupremeOwl I agree that no horse is unbeatable. Dick Turpin, who is clealry a world class thorughbred, beat CC earlier in his his career. CC is a much stronger individual now.
Was this the race of Royal Ascot? Isnt it wonderful to see two great champions fighting it out like this. And didn't Cityscape hang on well considering the company ahead of him.
Canford Cliffs won this easily...once his trademark turn of foot kicked in, he picked up nicely and beat Goldikova wit ease....as for the sussex stakes on the 27th of july, i would love to see a face off between Canford Cliffs and Frankel...Im a huge fan of CC and i hate to say this put if they both race, i cannot see how CC can beat Frankel conceding 8lbs to the freak....i hope they clash this season at some stage :)
@SvendBosanvovski its a different course, you can run faster on a straight course, last years st james was won by CC in 1.39.55, Frankel did it in 1.39.24
@john131349 Good point. The course record is a little quicker for the straight course. But Frankel did have an early pacemaker in the St James Palace Stakes, which generally guarantees a quicker time. Only time will tell whether he has what it takes to beat Canford Cliffs. And as they say: weight will stop a train.
@astrenvi Hannons son has said CC may go to the eclipse at sandown, dont think they want to meet Frankel in the sussex as the 3 year olds recieve 9 pounds from the older horses
@SvendBosanvovski Its different circumstances, different tactics....givin a horse of Frankels quality that much weight will take a special performance from CC
@Yedesauce I agree. Its fantastic to have these extraordinary horse racing at the same time: Frankel, could be anything; Workforce, won the Derby by 6 lens in the fastest time in 300 years; Goldikova, which has set so many benchmarks for a mare; Canford Cliffs, the best turf miler in the world; then a horse hailed as the best Aust/NZ has produced in 30 years racing in your backyard. Next year you will see Black Caviar. Possibly the greatest sprinter of all time. An embarrassment of riches.
@SvendBosanvovski Jesus i wouldnt get too excited about Black Caviar tbh...alot of hype to live up to...Workforce looked special but for me, he's not a horse i would place maximum confidence in if i considered backing him...cant see how he'l beat SYT in the Coral Eclipse as i see WF as more of a 1m4f horse rather than 1m2f...SYT will be in his elements over the Coral trip and ballydoyle will be desperate for him to recoup losses from Royal Ascot
@Yedesauce Yeah, I suppose you're right. A bit of a hack really. Winning her first thirteen on the trot, mainly at group 1 level is nothing to write home about. And being rated the best sprinter in the world by the IFHR is nothing really. I mean, she did run 1200m with 58 kgs on her back in 1m 7.2 seconds on a slow track, eased down for the last half furlong, and the last 600 of the T J Smith in 32.2 on a dead track, but heck, there are plenty of UK horses that can do that, aren't there?
@SvendBosanvovski Get her over here and let her do the talking on english soil!..What about this Overdose?? The so called Budapest Bullet....was guna win everything in sight when he came across the water and he was beaten out of sight the twice he ran?...what im sayin is ya cant judge a horse fully until u see him/her run in a different country under different circumstances
@Yedesauce Spoken like a true British bulldog. I love it! Overdose is a piker. Look, we sent one of Black Caviar's support cast over in the form of Star Witness. He should have won the King Stand, but got away slowly. The boggy track stopped him in the Golden Jubilee. She beat him 4 len, 4 lens, 7.8 lens, slowing to a walk when they met. Have a look at the Newmarket Hcp, Patinack Farm Classic and Schillarci Stks on youtube. She's a second faster than anything you'd find in a stable there.
@Yedesauce She is attracting huge crowds here, and her connections have chalked in a trip to Ascot next year. She has run out of rivals in this part of the world and Hay List may miss the Spring due to injury. He is another fantastic sprinter, now rated third best in the World after BC and Rocket Man.
@SvendBosanvovski I must check both of them out...i have to say iv seen BC and RM but iv never even heard of Hay List tbh....il have a look an check them out :-)...what ya reckon for the weekend? Midday - Carlton House double? :-)
@Yedesauce carlton house is 5/4 and native khan is 10s, native was close behind carlton but didnt have a clear run in the last 2 furlongs, Johnny Murtagh reckons he woulda been 3 lengths closer with a clear run, lookin at carltons speed i think hes a 10 furlong horse, my moneys on native khan at 10s to do a grey swallow at the curragh
@SvendBosanvovski i knew he'd won in the USA but lost track of him then, his finest hour was at the curragh winning the Irish derby, i thought his sire Daylami was an amazing horse
@john131349 Yes, Daylami was a terrific horse. I've always have a special affection for exceptional grey's. Grey Swallow finished last in the Cox Plate to the wonderful Fields of Omah, the oldest winner of our most important WFA race. It was a sad way for himto go out, becuase he was clearly much better than that. Have you followed the British horses Glass Harmonium and My Kingdom of Fife's perfromances in Australia?
Not so easily as you may think. And if Goldi and CC are to fight again, not sure he'll win! I agree with you about the freak but he has to have a good ride. I'm sure TQ will be able to make it.
@astrenvi Trust me, he won it cosily...he'd beat Goldikova any day of the week - If Frankel does what he did in the St James Palace CC will beat him...Hughes wont be caught nappin like the rest of them have bein....But im sure Frankel wont be ridden the same as before, they'l settle him nicely and we'l find out once and for all how good the freak actually is
@thepoacher2010 Ur right, its a shame one has to lose...deadheat maybe? :P ha....il roar CC home all day :) he doesnt owe me a penny, thats for sure...CC is used to sitting in behind the pace and once everyones off the bridle hughsie will kick...even wit Frankel, he'l wait for him to kick first and then try and do him for speed if thats possible!
I'm not sure I'd say we witnessed a changing of the guard at Ascot in this race? But I will say that Goldikova has a legitimate G1 miler every bit as fast as she is that she's going to have to contend with this season in Canford Cliffs. Paco Boy and Dick Turpin are both really good milers by anybody's standards. But Goldikova has proven to be at least a half to a full length better than either one of them. That's not the case with Canford Cliffs. JMO.
@MasKedButTrue yes your right £800 grand, they hadnt updated his wikipidia, but hes 4 and frankels 3 and should overtake him in prizemoney this year, the point i was making tho was to emphasize the £3.9 mill that goldis won
@astrenvi would be wonderful if Frankel was kept in training and followed a similar path to brigadeer gerrard but these days money talks and i know they cant wait to cover Midday with Frankel
ascot is canfords favourite track hes won there for the last 3 years, i hope they make him fav for the breeders cup mile cos goldikova will murder him round the tight bends in America
@thepoacher2010 i never had a bet on the race, but i'll have a big one on goldikova for the BC mile, canfords good but hes no zilzal or rock of gibraltar, goldikova is better suited to the tight tracks in America, she has a short quick stride and corners like a greyhound, canford likes to go to sleep and then quicken in the last 2 furlongs, its hard to do that in America because you are constantly changing legs as you go around the turns
@thepoacher2010 your missing my point, my point is not who is the best but who is best suited to the breeders cup mile, goldikova likes the tight turning tracks in America, they suit nippy, well balanced horses with a short stride that can corner well, canford likes to drop out and make his run late, if he does that in America he will be beaten
@thepoacher2010 i think you might be getting a bit carried away because Richard Hughes calls him a freak, how many truly great horses has Hughes ridden? how many classics has he won? if Fallon (who has ridden classic/arc winners) or Johnny Murtagh (who has ridden horses for coolmore and the aga khan) said he was special then id take notice, but hes not in the zilzal/brigadeer gerrard league and never will be
@john131349 godikovas main target is the breeders cup mile yes she lost to CC but i bet in 3 months time ish the result would be reversed, now chappers from ATR is tweeting that Frankel and CC will meet this year and if Frankel is ridden properly he will beat CC by 6 lengths
@thepoacher2010 You know nothing CC was favourite right up until just before the race, as for listening to ATR i was repeating a conversation 1 of the presenters had with Henry Cecil if they know fuck all about racing then fair enough, i could do with what your on mate, seriously !!!
@thepoacher2010 i had a bad 1st day a cracking second and a poor third overall im £40 up which is piss poor for me, dont worry about my bollocks mate they are plenty full enough. here's a good tip for today Alexander pope and Our jonathon an e/w double
@thepoacher2010 CC one of the best milers that ever lived WHAT ffs based on what? 5 gp1s to goldis 13 get a grip when frankel takes on Canford cliffs later this year you will see one of the best milers that ever lived destroy CC providing that idiot Quealy is not on him but come to think of it if he is he will still win he is that good. CC one of the best milers do me a favour
@thepoacher2010 I have watched Frankel since the beginning mate im not getting carried away because of the guineas, frankel is pure class, as for being an idiot well if owning 2 businesses, having a degree and owning 2 horses myself categorises me that way then so be it, IDIOT I AM ffs
@thepoacher2010 cc is 4 years old rock of gibraltar retired at 3 having won 2 group 1s at 2, english/irish 2000 guineas/st james palace/sussex stakes/prix du moulin and an unlucky defeat in the breeders cup, thats a class horse, as for goldikova her 3 breeders cup mile wins are group 1s of the highest calibre you cant get any better than that, the queen anne victory is probably CCs best ever win but its not the best group 1 race of the year, thats usually the QE2 in britain
@TheEnglandWC, All kidding aside, if you owned or were training Frankel? Knowing the kind of ability this colt obviously possesses, would you still feel confident that Tom Queally can continue to keep his unbeaten record in tact based on that ride in the St James's Palace Stakes today?
@GBeret83 take queely off he will make the rong desition one day and get beet like he nearly did today as i said you cant blame the horse its the jockey.
@GBeret83 i've been questioning Toms riding since the royal lodge last year, never seen a jockey go for home at halfway but he keeps doing it, Frankels best run was his second one were he settled and then took off at the 2 furlong pole and pulled 9 lengths clear in a matter of strides
What a race!! Now I really can't wait for the BC in November. Hope Canford Cliffs makes it there safe and sound, they've said that's one of his goals, along with Goldikova, it will be an epic BC Mile.
@d9y8l7a6n5, Barring injury, I think we'll see both Canford Cliffs and Goldikova at Churchill Downs this year. But just imagine if Henry Cecil comes dragging Frankel to Louisville for that race as well? Throw in Gio Ponti again, who ran a very creditable 2nd to Goldikova last year, and this year's B.C.Mile has the potential to go down as the best in the history of the race, IMO.
@GBeret83 That prospect certainly sounds exciting, and if that winds up being the case, the Mile may be the BC race I'll be anticipating the most. However I think I'd like to see Gio Ponti in the Turf, though its 1 1/2 miles, IMO he'll have a better shot at winning that race than the Mile, but he would make the Mile even more exciting. Maybe its just me wanting to see Gio win a BC race finally, he would have had the Classic and Mile already, if not for running into two extraordinary mares.
@d9y8l7a6n5, Actually, I made a comment just today that Gio Ponti may end up retiring the best horse to never win a Breeders Cup race, unless he get's it done this year at Churchill Downs? Beaten by Zenyatta in the Classic in 2009, and Goldikova in the Mile in 2010. Gio Ponti's biggest problem is that there's no 1-1/4 race on the turf at the Breeders Cup. Because 1-1/4 is his best distance. But I agree, he had a better shot at winning the Turf than the Mile. But slim of winning either, IMO.
The Queen Anne Stakes without failure is always one of the best and most anticipated races of the Royal-Ascot meet. It's such a big race, that I'm surprised they don't push it a little further down the card, and let the fan's carry over that excitement and adrenaline a little longer into the day? Maybe push the Coventry Stakes up as the opening race of the meet? And move the Queen Anne down to about 3rd or 4th on the card? I think it would create much more excitement than it already does. JMO.
I would like to think that Canford Cliffs and Goldikova might cross path's one more time this somewhere this season prior to the Breeders Cup Mile? But I don't really think it's that likely? This is about the only G1 race that Goldikova comes across the channel to UK for, and I'd say it's very unlikely that Hannon will ship to France to race her in her own backyard? Likely to eventually see a Canford Cliffs vs. Frankel match-up? Then hopefully, we'll see all 3 at Churchill Downs?
@astrenvi, I don't argue that point at all, my friend. I'd love to see Hannon ship Canford Cliffs to France sometime over the summer to face Goldikova at Deauville or Longchamp? I'm simply saying that for whatever reason, Hannon's always seemed to be more selective about what races he'll throw Canford Cliffs into than he was with Paco Boy or Dick Turpin? Dick Turpin's got almost twice as many starts in his career as Canford Cliffs does, and their both 4yr.old's.
Goldi hast lost by a 3/4 lengths with an extra 2lb, at Ascot, home of CC. A CC vs Goldi in France, who would be the winner? Good question but would be such a race :-D
I saw Goldikova once and that was when she came to California for the 2009 Breeder's Cup Mile. I wasn't able to get too close to her, but I did notice how small and petite she is. And watching her in this field she looks even smaller. Does anyone know her height? She doesn't even look like she's 15 hands, but she is a mighty little thing.
people saying that frankel would not beat cc or goldikova has got to remember frankel is still a maturing 3 year old ,where as both of the above mentioned horses are fully matured,a few more months down the line frankel will wipe the floor with them witha more restrained ride.Plus i very much doubt you will see him next year cos he will go straight to stud .
@TheEnglandWC, Frankel wouldn't have beaten either one of them with the ride he got from Queally today. If Queally made a big premature move like that in the Sussex Stakes against Canford Cliffs, he would blow right on by Frankel, IMO. Hell, Zoffany was closing on him like a shot, and he's nowhere near the kind of horse that CC or Goldikova is.
@Bukattingi1, I don't buy that, at all. I saw when the camera man scrolled up to Cecil in the stand's right after Frankel crossed the wire, and he had an enormous look of disgust on his face. I'm quite certain it was directed toward Queally. If Queally rode to Cecil's specification's? I doubt you would've seen Cecil with quite so disgusted a look? The bottom line is that Frankel may be Cecil's greates horse? EVER? He's just too important to the stable to have Queally in charge of his destiny.
@Bukattingi1 i think it is queallys fault i cant see the maestro sir h.cecil having a horse like frankel and experimenting like that he has had some of the best milers in the world before and to run frankel like that just doesent seem right ok he has wone 7 races on the trot but nowing how good this colt is you would think that they would hang on to him a bit longer,i think the jocky thought that he could do to this field what he did in the guinese that was a one off you wont see that again imo.
@thepoacher2010 If i was sir henry i wouldn't let Quealy ride my carthorse ever again Frankel is amazing, no other horse would have won the other day being sent for home 31/2 furlongs out, complete madness, i was thinking quealy had been paid to make Frankel lose it was such a poor ride.
Also have to say that Cityscape really ran a fantastic race in his own right!! A career best, IMO. Beaten just a length by Goldikova. And for the record, after seeing the Frankel's run in the St James's Palace Stakes, if Tom Queally made the mistake of committing that early on Frankel in the Sussex Stakes? Canford Cliffs would've caught him and blitzed right on by, IMO. Because Zoffany nearly caught him, and he's nowhere near as fast as Canford Cliffs is.
There shouldn't be any excuses for either horse in this race. Goldikova and Canford Cliffs both traveled brilliantly over the surface. Goldikova had every chance to win this race. She just finally ran into a Hannon horse not named Paco Boy or Dick Turpin. She ran into Canford Cliffs. Who I've always felt had the superior turn of foot among Hannon's 3 milers. It looked to me like Canford Cliffs won this race with a little still in hand? Like Hughes didn't really ask him for his maximum? TJMO.
Please, little still in hand? He was being whaled on to pass a 7 year-old veteran mare who is past her prime. If they meet up in the BC Mile, Goldikova will prove who's the International star. This was just their first matchup, who's to say there won't be anymore? Canford has never been out of europe, and I sincerely hope they'll challenge this mighty mare in the BC. Running in a straight is different than the turns of Churchill Downs.
He can beat Frankel with his eyes closed. Canford Cliffs is an outstanding miler, but is nowhere near clenching a legacy like Goldikova has.If they meet up again, most likely in the BC Mile, it will be just another cake walk for the greatest female/alltime miler ever.
could u hit the horse harder?
mixedone12345 2 weeks ago
good performance from CC bt they couldnt retire him quick enough after frankel totally destroyed him at goodwood.
azertyuiop32 2 months ago
I don't believe it was a surprise to anyone that it would be Canford Cliff and Goldikova fighting out the Queen Anne for the win? But I have to say that I was very impressed with the effort that Cityscape put forth in this race, also!! He was really right there running nearly stride for stride with both of them until about the final 100 meters!! Roger Charlton had to be really pleased with that effort from Cityscape!! Running that well against 2 of the premier turf milers in the world. JMO.
GBeret83 5 months ago
Really sucks that Canford Cliffs had to be retired after the 2011 Sussex Stakes. I know Henry Cecil had by then already said that Frankel wasn't coming to the US for this year's Breeders Cup races. But I was really looking forward to Canford Cliffs and Goldikova hooking up again at Churchill Downs for the 2011 BC Mile. Still going to be some good horses in the race, though. I don't think this year's BC Mile is as much a given for Goldikova as some of the others have been? Watch for Excelebration
GBeret83 5 months ago
i love how goldikova always has her head down and shes concentrating! when CC pulled away she sorta looked to the side... that would have broken her heart!
RuffianQueenOfRacing 6 months ago
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GBeret83 6 months ago
La reine est morte...vive la reine!
astrenvi 6 months ago
Tomorrow the wondermare will win her 15th G1...Two more and she beaks the world record :-D
astrenvi 6 months ago
funny how workforce did exactly the same thing as Canford in the king george but you didnt get Sir Michael making excuses and coming up with phantom injuries, the Hannon camp should learn from the great trainers Sir Michael and Sir Henry on how to let your horses do the talking and how to lose with dignity
john131349 7 months ago
@john131349 john as you no i am the poacher,let me say to you its bean a pleasure to have all the banter with you and all the others i am sorry if i have offended anyone but to be faire its kept me going through these last few months no doubt these discutions will carry on but its time for me to leave,so you can all have youre say about me but i have enjoyed it, frankel is a truly a super star and i hope he gives you all the fun of racing for many years to come.the poacher/karlholland,cc fan .
KarlHolland09 7 months ago
champion miler canford cliffs has been retired frome racing on veternary advice du to a near-fore paster injury which he suffered during the sussex stakes at goodwood last week the brilliant miler will stand at coolmoor stud.......
KarlHolland09 7 months ago
lets have a whip round for the poacher lol, Frankel would give 8 pounds to CC and still stuff him
john131349 7 months ago
@john131349 no bad feelings on my part john.the best horse won on the day.
thepoacher2010 7 months ago
@john131349 there was a man called john who backed another odds on,he thinks hes rich cos he plays with his D thats the man called john.
thepoacher2010 7 months ago
@thepoacher2010 your better at poetry than gambling poacher
john131349 7 months ago
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thepoacher2010 7 months ago
@john131349 lol
thepoacher2010 7 months ago
@john131349 when i think of it we all should not be fighting over who is the best frankel or canford cliffs because we all have differant views,we will all look back in time and think to oure selfs whot a plonker for saying that.we should all be very thankfull of these to great horses and the pleasure that they have given us it doesant matter who really is better than the other we all want one thing and that is to see a thrilling race so lets just enjoy while we have the chance.
thepoacher2010 7 months ago
everybody seems to just write CC off and if he can stay with frankel in the last 2f i think CC will have what it takes to take it by a half length purely on the basis of each of the horses last runs, frankel has an engine but as we seen in the st.james if used to early it will burn out and CC has that staying power waiting to play his hand ! , its going to be a great race and may the best horse win !
potsnacher 7 months ago
No way is this horse beating Frankel. NOO
danielson9218 7 months ago
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thepoacher2010 7 months ago
@danielson9218 You was saying? Frankel would have won with the other two horses on his back. A machine...
ASupremeOwl 7 months ago
UNTIL CC goes to France & WINS, let alone beats Goldi in HER back yard, he cannot be said to be better: he beat her 1L with her jock 2lb o/w @ Ascot. UNTIL he goes to the Breeders Cup & stuffs horses in THEIR back yard the way SHE did he is NOT better than she is. CC is very VERY good, but the mare is exceptional & Frankel is FRIGHTENING! IF Fr stays in training he might well hit 140 rating some day: can see him winning a Breeders Cup race & a HK Mile. Let's hope they save a bit for 2012!
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thepoacher2010 7 months ago
@thepoacher2010 you were saying what about canford cliffs!!!!!!!
ash69cash 7 months ago
Don't forget that Peslier actually weighed in 2 pounds heavy (was reported just one). To me that cost Goldkova the race. Over the same distance on the same day CC ran just over a second faster than Frankel did. With the weight allowance for 3 year olds I think Frankel appears the better bet. I definately think he's better than CC but a lot depends on whether HC/TQ get the tactics right
Jaygud 7 months ago
@Jaygud Sorry! But you cannot compare Ascot times between CC & Frankel: they were on DIFFERENT COURSES (one the straight mile & one the round course) :O)PP
CC COULD beat Frankel, if lightning strikes, TQ has a rush of blood or Fr is unwell... but Frankel's ALREADY rated 8lbs higher than CC was at respective point in careers, Frankel's ALREADY 3lbs higher than CC's 4yr old rating & Frankel RECEIVES 8lbs at GG. Losing almost incomprehensible but even IF Frankel is beaten he's still better
AvalonAvenger007 7 months ago
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thepoacher2010 7 months ago
@thepoacher2010 You are a retard...
ASupremeOwl 7 months ago
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thepoacher2010 7 months ago
@thepoacher2010 i agree with you mate they have backed an odds on shot and seem pleases that they have got a winner lol.
KarlHolland09 7 months ago
@KarlHolland09 erm not exactly true cos i took 5/4 for Frankel last week, CC was originally made favourite by most bookmakers
john131349 7 months ago
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KarlHolland09 7 months ago
@KarlHolland09 Qipco Sussex Stakes Ante Post Frankel 11/10, thats what i got online i also got 5/4 in the bookies
john131349 7 months ago
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KarlHolland09 7 months ago
@KarlHolland09 they have bottled out of a rematch Poacher, sent CC to stud because they knew he wouldnt get near Frankel in the QE2
john131349 7 months ago
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KarlHolland09 7 months ago
@KarlHolland09 that is bollocks if he had a serious injury he would not have finished 2nd he would have pulled up, watch the race again after the finish does Hughes jump off him, is he limping in the unsaddling enclosure? he was surrounded by channel 4 cameras and no one mentioned any injury at the time, it was just a sad excuse from the Hannon camp because they cant accept defeat and hes been retired to save his stud value as another hammering from Frankel would see it drop
john131349 7 months ago
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KarlHolland09 7 months ago
@KarlHolland09 theres more chance of Richard Hannon snr beating Usain Bolt at next years olympics than there is of CC getting his revenge on Frankel
john131349 7 months ago
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KarlHolland09 7 months ago
Cape Blanco's headed to America to face Gio Ponti in the G1 Man O' War Stakes over 10f at Belmont Park for his next start. Gio Ponti has won the last running's of the race, and has had more G1 success on the turf at Belmont than any other racetrack in America. Depends on which Cape Blanco shows up, as to whether or not he'll beat Gio Ponti, IMO? The 2010 Irish Champion Stakes Cape Blanco can certainly beat Gio Ponti. But not the Prix Ganay or Queen Anne Stake Cape Blanco. TJMO.
GBeret83 8 months ago
@GBeret83 cape blanco was pacemaking in the queen anne ignore that run
john131349 8 months ago
how can frankel have a provisional rating better than STS whoever runs timeform is PATHETIC
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thepoacher2010 8 months ago
@thepoacher2010 lol CC will never have moved that quick in his life high cruising speed is not good enough when the horse in front is running 11 seconds a furlong, i know its impossible but try to imagine CC in this years 2000 guineas he would have been about 15 lengths down at halfway and might have beaten dubawi gold for 2nd but he would not have caught frankel, CC will be taken out of his comfort zone and have to work for the 1st half of the race, that will affect his finishing kick
john131349 8 months ago
@john131349 lol
thepoacher2010 8 months ago
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thepoacher2010 8 months ago
@thepoacher2010 Dettori didnt think it was a pacemaker, he went after him on cassamento and paid the price, CC cannot run as fast as Frankel simple as that, he looks good in a steady run race using his turn of foot in the last 2 furlongs, thats not good enough against Frankel because he can quicken for 4 furlongs, CC is no superstar he never won his guineas and only beat rip van winkel last year, also if you look at this race cityscape and rio de la plata are close up its not great form
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thepoacher2010 8 months ago
@thepoacher2010 rio de la plata finishing close up says its not great form, you have got the cheek to say Frankel has beaten nothing but there were more group 1 winners in the st james palace than there were in this race, CC got beaten in his guineas yet Frankel put up the most amazing guineas performance in history, brigadeer gerrard/el gran senor/nijinski/dancing brave they were all great guineas winners but none of them was as spectacular as Frankel
john131349 8 months ago
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thepoacher2010 8 months ago
@thepoacher2010 in your official capacity as what? the worlds worst speller? keep putting your money on canford, you will make a lot of bookies happy when Frankel destroys him
john131349 8 months ago
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thepoacher2010 8 months ago
@thepoacher2010 i dont think they will meet in the sussex, Hannons no fool and he has dubawi gold in his yard, he knows dubawi is 7 lengths off Frankel at best so all he has to do is gallop dubawi with CC (carrying 9 pounds extra) and see if CC can finish more than 7 lenghts clear, i dont think he can and think Frankel will go for the sussex then the international and CC will swerve him and go for the eclipse then back to the group 1 mile races
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thepoacher2010 8 months ago
what all the CC fans are missing is the point that CC hasa great turn of foot when hes allowed to switch off and gallop at his own pace, when he meets Frankel if he does that he'll be about 10 lengths down at the 2 pole, will Frankel slow down enough for him? CC has a choice give away distance or sit closer to Frankel and use up the energy you usually save for your finishing kick
john131349 8 months ago
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thepoacher2010 8 months ago
@john131349 I doubt his connections will persist with the current tactics for Frankel when he steps up aginast the real good horses and trainers will start putting fast early pace horse along side to sap his energy. No, he will have to learn to settle if he has any chance against the very best open age horses.
SvendBosanvovski 8 months ago
@SvendBosanvovski its interesting that people are assuming that the 3 year old colts beaten by Frankel are useless, time might prove this wrong when the all age races start soon, the one thing Frankel has is the ability to push on and do 3 - 4 furlongs at near sprint speed, CC and goldikova cant match that burst if CC tried to go with him he'd collapse in a heap before the furlong pole
john131349 8 months ago
@john131349 Frankel has only raced three times on firm ground. He hung on in the St James Palace, won the Guineas in the second slowest time for 30 years (only Henrythenavigaor ran a slower time in the Guineas in that time, that was on a wet track), and beat a bunch of scrubbers in his first win on a firm track. They went so slow in that race that the ambulance almost run over them. He appears to be a very good three year old, but still has a lot to prove.
SvendBosanvovski 8 months ago
@SvendBosanvovski the fields Frankel is demolishing contain quite a number of group 1 winners, they are hardly snails, zoffany may be interesting later in the season if he meets CC, but over a mile to a mile and a half no horse can match that 3 - 4 burst of speed that Frankel kills off the opposition with, bty Frankels guineas time was faster than that of dancing brave/el gran senor/brigadeer gerard and nijinski
john131349 8 months ago
@john131349 Something has to win them. John, I'm not saying Frankel isn't a good 3yo. I just think he has a lot more to prove before he is compared with the great. Frankel hasnt raced beyond 8f, so we have no idea how he will go over 1.5 miles. The way he slowed in the St James Palace sugegst a mile is as far as he wants to go at this stage. Of course, when he matures he may develop into a strong middle distance horse.
SvendBosanvovski 8 months ago
@SvendBosanvovski Frankel will never race 1m 4f so that one is dead to start with. I wouldn't say Frankel slowed in the St James Palace stakes either, I remember his Royal Lodge demolition which was at Ascot over the same distance and he ran to the line. The pace was rather quick in this years St James but I think Frankel was idling more than anything and it was a purely bad tactics from connections. If they hold him up and unleash him 2f's out there isn't an horse who can live with him....
ASupremeOwl 8 months ago
@SvendBosanvovski And Im confident that Frankel would beat Canford Cliffs aswell. Canford Cliffs remember isn't unbeatable. Dick Turpin as found the better of him twice on there four meetings...
ASupremeOwl 8 months ago
@ASupremeOwl I agree that no horse is unbeatable. Dick Turpin, who is clealry a world class thorughbred, beat CC earlier in his his career. CC is a much stronger individual now.
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thepoacher2010 8 months ago
CC might go for the eclipse instead of the sussex, they must be avoiding a certain wonderhorse lol
john131349 8 months ago
@john131349 lol.
thepoacher2010 8 months ago
Was this the race of Royal Ascot? Isnt it wonderful to see two great champions fighting it out like this. And didn't Cityscape hang on well considering the company ahead of him.
SvendBosanvovski 8 months ago
Canford Cliffs won this easily...once his trademark turn of foot kicked in, he picked up nicely and beat Goldikova wit ease....as for the sussex stakes on the 27th of july, i would love to see a face off between Canford Cliffs and Frankel...Im a huge fan of CC and i hate to say this put if they both race, i cannot see how CC can beat Frankel conceding 8lbs to the freak....i hope they clash this season at some stage :)
Yedesauce 8 months ago
@Yedesauce Canford Cliff ran the Queen Ann ,86 seconds faster. That's about 12 lb, standard handicapping. Frankel better run faster.
SvendBosanvovski 8 months ago
@SvendBosanvovski its a different course, you can run faster on a straight course, last years st james was won by CC in 1.39.55, Frankel did it in 1.39.24
john131349 8 months ago
@john131349 Good point. The course record is a little quicker for the straight course. But Frankel did have an early pacemaker in the St James Palace Stakes, which generally guarantees a quicker time. Only time will tell whether he has what it takes to beat Canford Cliffs. And as they say: weight will stop a train.
SvendBosanvovski 8 months ago
@SvendBosanvovski
Has hannon already dedided if CC will race the sussex stakes? It'd be so good....but not much as a F vs CC vs Goldi!
astrenvi 8 months ago
@astrenvi Hannons son has said CC may go to the eclipse at sandown, dont think they want to meet Frankel in the sussex as the 3 year olds recieve 9 pounds from the older horses
john131349 8 months ago
@astrenvi He seems to be moving that way, judginmg from the latest media reports, but is keeping his options open.
SvendBosanvovski 8 months ago
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thepoacher2010 8 months ago
@SvendBosanvovski Its different circumstances, different tactics....givin a horse of Frankels quality that much weight will take a special performance from CC
Yedesauce 8 months ago
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SvendBosanvovski 8 months ago
@Yedesauce I agree. Its fantastic to have these extraordinary horse racing at the same time: Frankel, could be anything; Workforce, won the Derby by 6 lens in the fastest time in 300 years; Goldikova, which has set so many benchmarks for a mare; Canford Cliffs, the best turf miler in the world; then a horse hailed as the best Aust/NZ has produced in 30 years racing in your backyard. Next year you will see Black Caviar. Possibly the greatest sprinter of all time. An embarrassment of riches.
SvendBosanvovski 8 months ago
@SvendBosanvovski Jesus i wouldnt get too excited about Black Caviar tbh...alot of hype to live up to...Workforce looked special but for me, he's not a horse i would place maximum confidence in if i considered backing him...cant see how he'l beat SYT in the Coral Eclipse as i see WF as more of a 1m4f horse rather than 1m2f...SYT will be in his elements over the Coral trip and ballydoyle will be desperate for him to recoup losses from Royal Ascot
Yedesauce 8 months ago
@Yedesauce Yeah, I suppose you're right. A bit of a hack really. Winning her first thirteen on the trot, mainly at group 1 level is nothing to write home about. And being rated the best sprinter in the world by the IFHR is nothing really. I mean, she did run 1200m with 58 kgs on her back in 1m 7.2 seconds on a slow track, eased down for the last half furlong, and the last 600 of the T J Smith in 32.2 on a dead track, but heck, there are plenty of UK horses that can do that, aren't there?
SvendBosanvovski 8 months ago
@SvendBosanvovski Get her over here and let her do the talking on english soil!..What about this Overdose?? The so called Budapest Bullet....was guna win everything in sight when he came across the water and he was beaten out of sight the twice he ran?...what im sayin is ya cant judge a horse fully until u see him/her run in a different country under different circumstances
Yedesauce 8 months ago
@Yedesauce Spoken like a true British bulldog. I love it! Overdose is a piker. Look, we sent one of Black Caviar's support cast over in the form of Star Witness. He should have won the King Stand, but got away slowly. The boggy track stopped him in the Golden Jubilee. She beat him 4 len, 4 lens, 7.8 lens, slowing to a walk when they met. Have a look at the Newmarket Hcp, Patinack Farm Classic and Schillarci Stks on youtube. She's a second faster than anything you'd find in a stable there.
SvendBosanvovski 8 months ago
@SvendBosanvovski Looking forward to seein her in action...Midday should take beaten 2mro id like to think!?
Yedesauce 8 months ago
@Yedesauce She is attracting huge crowds here, and her connections have chalked in a trip to Ascot next year. She has run out of rivals in this part of the world and Hay List may miss the Spring due to injury. He is another fantastic sprinter, now rated third best in the World after BC and Rocket Man.
SvendBosanvovski 8 months ago
@SvendBosanvovski I must check both of them out...i have to say iv seen BC and RM but iv never even heard of Hay List tbh....il have a look an check them out :-)...what ya reckon for the weekend? Midday - Carlton House double? :-)
Yedesauce 8 months ago
@Yedesauce carlton house is 5/4 and native khan is 10s, native was close behind carlton but didnt have a clear run in the last 2 furlongs, Johnny Murtagh reckons he woulda been 3 lengths closer with a clear run, lookin at carltons speed i think hes a 10 furlong horse, my moneys on native khan at 10s to do a grey swallow at the curragh
john131349 8 months ago
@john131349 For me i cannot see Carlton House beaten on sunday...Same wit Midday saturday...double up :)
Yedesauce 8 months ago
@john131349 Interesting that you mentioned Grey Swallow. Did you know he had his last race in Australia, after racing twice in the USA?
SvendBosanvovski 8 months ago
@SvendBosanvovski i knew he'd won in the USA but lost track of him then, his finest hour was at the curragh winning the Irish derby, i thought his sire Daylami was an amazing horse
john131349 8 months ago
@john131349 Yes, Daylami was a terrific horse. I've always have a special affection for exceptional grey's. Grey Swallow finished last in the Cox Plate to the wonderful Fields of Omah, the oldest winner of our most important WFA race. It was a sad way for himto go out, becuase he was clearly much better than that. Have you followed the British horses Glass Harmonium and My Kingdom of Fife's perfromances in Australia?
SvendBosanvovski 8 months ago
@Yedesauce
Not so easily as you may think. And if Goldi and CC are to fight again, not sure he'll win! I agree with you about the freak but he has to have a good ride. I'm sure TQ will be able to make it.
astrenvi 8 months ago
@astrenvi Trust me, he won it cosily...he'd beat Goldikova any day of the week - If Frankel does what he did in the St James Palace CC will beat him...Hughes wont be caught nappin like the rest of them have bein....But im sure Frankel wont be ridden the same as before, they'l settle him nicely and we'l find out once and for all how good the freak actually is
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thepoacher2010 8 months ago
@thepoacher2010 Ur right, its a shame one has to lose...deadheat maybe? :P ha....il roar CC home all day :) he doesnt owe me a penny, thats for sure...CC is used to sitting in behind the pace and once everyones off the bridle hughsie will kick...even wit Frankel, he'l wait for him to kick first and then try and do him for speed if thats possible!
Yedesauce 8 months ago
I'm not sure I'd say we witnessed a changing of the guard at Ascot in this race? But I will say that Goldikova has a legitimate G1 miler every bit as fast as she is that she's going to have to contend with this season in Canford Cliffs. Paco Boy and Dick Turpin are both really good milers by anybody's standards. But Goldikova has proven to be at least a half to a full length better than either one of them. That's not the case with Canford Cliffs. JMO.
GBeret83 8 months ago
at this point in time Canford cliffs has won £466 grand, Frankel £635 and goldikova £3.7 million i'd pay to watch Frankel but i'd love to own Goldi
john131349 8 months ago
@john131349 Canford cliffs has won more prize money than Frankel you bellend ! Get you're facts right
MasKedButTrue 8 months ago
@MasKedButTrue erm no he hasnt where are you getting your figures from?
john131349 8 months ago
@MasKedButTrue yes your right £800 grand, they hadnt updated his wikipidia, but hes 4 and frankels 3 and should overtake him in prizemoney this year, the point i was making tho was to emphasize the £3.9 mill that goldis won
john131349 8 months ago
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Not sure he'll race after this season.
astrenvi 8 months ago
@astrenvi would be wonderful if Frankel was kept in training and followed a similar path to brigadeer gerrard but these days money talks and i know they cant wait to cover Midday with Frankel
john131349 8 months ago
@john131349 Actually I appologize for calling you a bellend !
MasKedButTrue 8 months ago
CC will have to give 9 pounds to Frankel in the sussex stakes, he'll be lucky to get within 5 lengths
john131349 8 months ago
@john131349 if we all new that we would be rich.
thepoacher2010 8 months ago
Crazy Canford Cliffs a Monster ffs
cyberboy 8 months ago
ascot is canfords favourite track hes won there for the last 3 years, i hope they make him fav for the breeders cup mile cos goldikova will murder him round the tight bends in America
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thepoacher2010 8 months ago
@thepoacher2010 i never had a bet on the race, but i'll have a big one on goldikova for the BC mile, canfords good but hes no zilzal or rock of gibraltar, goldikova is better suited to the tight tracks in America, she has a short quick stride and corners like a greyhound, canford likes to go to sleep and then quicken in the last 2 furlongs, its hard to do that in America because you are constantly changing legs as you go around the turns
john131349 8 months ago
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thepoacher2010 8 months ago
@thepoacher2010 your missing my point, my point is not who is the best but who is best suited to the breeders cup mile, goldikova likes the tight turning tracks in America, they suit nippy, well balanced horses with a short stride that can corner well, canford likes to drop out and make his run late, if he does that in America he will be beaten
john131349 8 months ago
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thepoacher2010 8 months ago
@thepoacher2010 i think you might be getting a bit carried away because Richard Hughes calls him a freak, how many truly great horses has Hughes ridden? how many classics has he won? if Fallon (who has ridden classic/arc winners) or Johnny Murtagh (who has ridden horses for coolmore and the aga khan) said he was special then id take notice, but hes not in the zilzal/brigadeer gerrard league and never will be
john131349 8 months ago
@john131349 godikovas main target is the breeders cup mile yes she lost to CC but i bet in 3 months time ish the result would be reversed, now chappers from ATR is tweeting that Frankel and CC will meet this year and if Frankel is ridden properly he will beat CC by 6 lengths
fowlergod09 8 months ago
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thepoacher2010 8 months ago
@thepoacher2010 You know nothing CC was favourite right up until just before the race, as for listening to ATR i was repeating a conversation 1 of the presenters had with Henry Cecil if they know fuck all about racing then fair enough, i could do with what your on mate, seriously !!!
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thepoacher2010 8 months ago
@thepoacher2010 i had a bad 1st day a cracking second and a poor third overall im £40 up which is piss poor for me, dont worry about my bollocks mate they are plenty full enough. here's a good tip for today Alexander pope and Our jonathon an e/w double
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thepoacher2010 8 months ago
@thepoacher2010 CC one of the best milers that ever lived WHAT ffs based on what? 5 gp1s to goldis 13 get a grip when frankel takes on Canford cliffs later this year you will see one of the best milers that ever lived destroy CC providing that idiot Quealy is not on him but come to think of it if he is he will still win he is that good. CC one of the best milers do me a favour
fowlergod09 8 months ago
@thepoacher2010 do you know something mate your horseracing knowledge is like your spelling FUCKED
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thepoacher2010 8 months ago
@thepoacher2010 I have watched Frankel since the beginning mate im not getting carried away because of the guineas, frankel is pure class, as for being an idiot well if owning 2 businesses, having a degree and owning 2 horses myself categorises me that way then so be it, IDIOT I AM ffs
fowlergod09 8 months ago
@thepoacher2010 cc is 4 years old rock of gibraltar retired at 3 having won 2 group 1s at 2, english/irish 2000 guineas/st james palace/sussex stakes/prix du moulin and an unlucky defeat in the breeders cup, thats a class horse, as for goldikova her 3 breeders cup mile wins are group 1s of the highest calibre you cant get any better than that, the queen anne victory is probably CCs best ever win but its not the best group 1 race of the year, thats usually the QE2 in britain
john131349 8 months ago
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thepoacher2010 8 months ago
@TheEnglandWC, All kidding aside, if you owned or were training Frankel? Knowing the kind of ability this colt obviously possesses, would you still feel confident that Tom Queally can continue to keep his unbeaten record in tact based on that ride in the St James's Palace Stakes today?
GBeret83 8 months ago
@GBeret83 take queely off he will make the rong desition one day and get beet like he nearly did today as i said you cant blame the horse its the jockey.
thepoacher2010 8 months ago
@GBeret83 i've been questioning Toms riding since the royal lodge last year, never seen a jockey go for home at halfway but he keeps doing it, Frankels best run was his second one were he settled and then took off at the 2 furlong pole and pulled 9 lengths clear in a matter of strides
john131349 8 months ago
Great race there.
uhegbu 8 months ago
What a race!! Now I really can't wait for the BC in November. Hope Canford Cliffs makes it there safe and sound, they've said that's one of his goals, along with Goldikova, it will be an epic BC Mile.
d9y8l7a6n5 8 months ago
@d9y8l7a6n5, Barring injury, I think we'll see both Canford Cliffs and Goldikova at Churchill Downs this year. But just imagine if Henry Cecil comes dragging Frankel to Louisville for that race as well? Throw in Gio Ponti again, who ran a very creditable 2nd to Goldikova last year, and this year's B.C.Mile has the potential to go down as the best in the history of the race, IMO.
GBeret83 8 months ago
@GBeret83 That prospect certainly sounds exciting, and if that winds up being the case, the Mile may be the BC race I'll be anticipating the most. However I think I'd like to see Gio Ponti in the Turf, though its 1 1/2 miles, IMO he'll have a better shot at winning that race than the Mile, but he would make the Mile even more exciting. Maybe its just me wanting to see Gio win a BC race finally, he would have had the Classic and Mile already, if not for running into two extraordinary mares.
d9y8l7a6n5 8 months ago
@d9y8l7a6n5, Actually, I made a comment just today that Gio Ponti may end up retiring the best horse to never win a Breeders Cup race, unless he get's it done this year at Churchill Downs? Beaten by Zenyatta in the Classic in 2009, and Goldikova in the Mile in 2010. Gio Ponti's biggest problem is that there's no 1-1/4 race on the turf at the Breeders Cup. Because 1-1/4 is his best distance. But I agree, he had a better shot at winning the Turf than the Mile. But slim of winning either, IMO.
GBeret83 8 months ago
The Queen Anne Stakes without failure is always one of the best and most anticipated races of the Royal-Ascot meet. It's such a big race, that I'm surprised they don't push it a little further down the card, and let the fan's carry over that excitement and adrenaline a little longer into the day? Maybe push the Coventry Stakes up as the opening race of the meet? And move the Queen Anne down to about 3rd or 4th on the card? I think it would create much more excitement than it already does. JMO.
GBeret83 8 months ago
I would like to think that Canford Cliffs and Goldikova might cross path's one more time this somewhere this season prior to the Breeders Cup Mile? But I don't really think it's that likely? This is about the only G1 race that Goldikova comes across the channel to UK for, and I'd say it's very unlikely that Hannon will ship to France to race her in her own backyard? Likely to eventually see a Canford Cliffs vs. Frankel match-up? Then hopefully, we'll see all 3 at Churchill Downs?
GBeret83 8 months ago
@GBeret83
It'd be fair-play for Hannon to ship to France. And if he beats again Goldi, he will undoubtedlyy better than Goldi.
astrenvi 8 months ago
@astrenvi, I don't argue that point at all, my friend. I'd love to see Hannon ship Canford Cliffs to France sometime over the summer to face Goldikova at Deauville or Longchamp? I'm simply saying that for whatever reason, Hannon's always seemed to be more selective about what races he'll throw Canford Cliffs into than he was with Paco Boy or Dick Turpin? Dick Turpin's got almost twice as many starts in his career as Canford Cliffs does, and their both 4yr.old's.
GBeret83 8 months ago
Wonderful Race....That is what it is ALL ABOUT!. Although Olivier had to move her earlier then he probably would liked to have.
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thepoacher2010 8 months ago
Goldi hast lost by a 3/4 lengths with an extra 2lb, at Ascot, home of CC. A CC vs Goldi in France, who would be the winner? Good question but would be such a race :-D
astrenvi 8 months ago
It's great to see that there are people on these threads who think Goldikova would have a shot at turning the tables if these two meet in the future.
I hope they will be ready to back their opinion on Betfair.
Bukattingi1 8 months ago
all dog food
MrMeanjellybean1 8 months ago
I saw Goldikova once and that was when she came to California for the 2009 Breeder's Cup Mile. I wasn't able to get too close to her, but I did notice how small and petite she is. And watching her in this field she looks even smaller. Does anyone know her height? She doesn't even look like she's 15 hands, but she is a mighty little thing.
TurboTwistedFire 8 months ago
people saying that frankel would not beat cc or goldikova has got to remember frankel is still a maturing 3 year old ,where as both of the above mentioned horses are fully matured,a few more months down the line frankel will wipe the floor with them witha more restrained ride.Plus i very much doubt you will see him next year cos he will go straight to stud .
kingstonboy37 8 months ago
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thepoacher2010 8 months ago
@TheEnglandWC, Frankel wouldn't have beaten either one of them with the ride he got from Queally today. If Queally made a big premature move like that in the Sussex Stakes against Canford Cliffs, he would blow right on by Frankel, IMO. Hell, Zoffany was closing on him like a shot, and he's nowhere near the kind of horse that CC or Goldikova is.
GBeret83 8 months ago
@GBeret83
It's not really Queally's fault since Cecil's an 18th century patrician who puts his jockeys in a straight jacket as far as tactics go.
Bukattingi1 8 months ago
@Bukattingi1, I don't buy that, at all. I saw when the camera man scrolled up to Cecil in the stand's right after Frankel crossed the wire, and he had an enormous look of disgust on his face. I'm quite certain it was directed toward Queally. If Queally rode to Cecil's specification's? I doubt you would've seen Cecil with quite so disgusted a look? The bottom line is that Frankel may be Cecil's greates horse? EVER? He's just too important to the stable to have Queally in charge of his destiny.
GBeret83 8 months ago
@Bukattingi1 i think it is queallys fault i cant see the maestro sir h.cecil having a horse like frankel and experimenting like that he has had some of the best milers in the world before and to run frankel like that just doesent seem right ok he has wone 7 races on the trot but nowing how good this colt is you would think that they would hang on to him a bit longer,i think the jocky thought that he could do to this field what he did in the guinese that was a one off you wont see that again imo.
thepoacher2010 8 months ago
@thepoacher2010 If i was sir henry i wouldn't let Quealy ride my carthorse ever again Frankel is amazing, no other horse would have won the other day being sent for home 31/2 furlongs out, complete madness, i was thinking quealy had been paid to make Frankel lose it was such a poor ride.
fowlergod09 8 months ago
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thepoacher2010 8 months ago
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thepoacher2010 8 months ago
CC/Frankel double today, happy days. Hopefully can replicate that tomorrow.
philyburkhill1 8 months ago
Also have to say that Cityscape really ran a fantastic race in his own right!! A career best, IMO. Beaten just a length by Goldikova. And for the record, after seeing the Frankel's run in the St James's Palace Stakes, if Tom Queally made the mistake of committing that early on Frankel in the Sussex Stakes? Canford Cliffs would've caught him and blitzed right on by, IMO. Because Zoffany nearly caught him, and he's nowhere near as fast as Canford Cliffs is.
GBeret83 8 months ago
There shouldn't be any excuses for either horse in this race. Goldikova and Canford Cliffs both traveled brilliantly over the surface. Goldikova had every chance to win this race. She just finally ran into a Hannon horse not named Paco Boy or Dick Turpin. She ran into Canford Cliffs. Who I've always felt had the superior turn of foot among Hannon's 3 milers. It looked to me like Canford Cliffs won this race with a little still in hand? Like Hughes didn't really ask him for his maximum? TJMO.
GBeret83 8 months ago
@GBeret83
Please, little still in hand? He was being whaled on to pass a 7 year-old veteran mare who is past her prime. If they meet up in the BC Mile, Goldikova will prove who's the International star. This was just their first matchup, who's to say there won't be anymore? Canford has never been out of europe, and I sincerely hope they'll challenge this mighty mare in the BC. Running in a straight is different than the turns of Churchill Downs.
queenluciaa 8 months ago
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thepoacher2010 8 months ago
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He can beat Frankel with his eyes closed. Canford Cliffs is an outstanding miler, but is nowhere near clenching a legacy like Goldikova has.If they meet up again, most likely in the BC Mile, it will be just another cake walk for the greatest female/alltime miler ever.
queenluciaa 8 months ago
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thepoacher2010 8 months ago
Gutted that I was at work and couldn't see it live...that was epic
dancingbrave24 8 months ago
I'd like to see Frankel try and take him off his feet
lestercullen 8 months ago