HA HA Dr Bop, you rule, dude! This is a GREAT vid, and I learned a terrific take on this groove - thanks. The reason I say "HA HA" is for your responses to the knuckleheads that are dumping on the vid or the sound of your kit. Priceless. Keep up the good work my friend.
I had no clue what kind of groove to play for St.Thomas in my school jazz band. You got some ideas goin in my head that I can improvise upon. Thanks dude.
Just for those that want to know the difference. All it is is that the first two notes played with the hands are displaces one eighth note back. Dr Bop starts playing the tom and snare on the 1 +, whereas Roach starts it on the + 2. That's the only difference. Gives it a more bouncy syncopated feel. The foot pattern is the same as is the floor tom, but the first tom and snare are played on + 2, instead of 1 +. Hope that helps anyone wanting the know Roach's version.
While it isn't the Calipso Roach played on Rollins' St Thomas it IS A Calipso and could work with St Thomas so it's still cool and could work with that song, just a different version than the one Max played.
yeah, with your left hand you go as if you're about to do a side stick but don't actually get it on the rim, keep it on the head of the drum and it will make that dead sound... that's how i know it, at least. the rest of it is cool for the most part... playing could be much more in sync and confident, dr. bop...
Thanks Doc. your videos are really helping me get my swing on. of all the on-line lessons, yours have helped me the most.you are a better teacher than you get credit for.its how you influence people that counts,not how your gear sounds.pleas keep posting videos.love your style and attitude.
Dr.B0P you should go back to the original recording and play along with max. You will realize you are wrong. All drummers please don't learn this groove it isn't entirely correct.
Hey thanks for the comment. I am glad that you have taken the time and effort to watch. Utube is a great platform for sharing ideas. However you have not advanced our knowledge with your comment. I welcome and will gladly accept any video response showing revisions or corrections. In the meantime I am certain that intelligent people will do their own listening and thinking.
OK, maybe Dr.BOP made a slip up saying 'I'm going to share with you what Max played' - because it suggests he was going to do the exact beat. I think Max played it a little different - a click followed by a rim shot and then the beat on just one tom. But he does say later, "don't copy Max, make it your own"...
It's still a cool groove!
Search for St. Thomas in youtube - there are dozens of different versions and NO ONE plays it just like Max, in fact often they play it totally different...
i've had this vid in my favourites a while now, had a brief go of it a while back, i love getting to see all the different things i can try with my kit.
had a real good go with this rythmn yesterday at the studio and had a blast! spent a while trying out some accent variations and learning how to throw in some different fills and stuff. thanks for sharing your knowledge dude. :D
Thank you so much for your valuable and insightful comment on the content of my video. I value all comments and this example sure contextualizes the notion of cultural identity in a paradigm of contemporary jazz music in
1950's America better than most. I'm so glad you enjoyed it.
How great to play a tribute to the great Max. Thanks Dr Bop. Another interesting thing would be how Max Roach plays on Caravan with Duke Elllington and Mingus, no calypso but also a bit special...
maybe you need to rename the headliner,like Dr BOP plays a tribute to max roach and not you playing calypso,I love max and he still is the greats with elvin,art,buddy and so on.
Nice video,thou thats not calypso drumming,you sound educate yourself on the music where it comes from like trinidad and tobago,study,learn,practice then put it out there. Theres enough bad representations.
Hey! Thanks for the comment. Remember I am demonstrating what Max Roach played on a particular track (St. Thomas) and some starting points on how to get there. It is not my intention to present a definitive "authentic" calypso, Though the track is desrcibed as "calypso": Apologies for any confusion.
this is torrible...he is a terrible drummer and this is not what max roach did at all...good try Dr.BOP
iangreenish 3 months ago
simply the man
TheVoodude 11 months ago
love it!
tigerpumpkinflower 1 year ago
HA HA Dr Bop, you rule, dude! This is a GREAT vid, and I learned a terrific take on this groove - thanks. The reason I say "HA HA" is for your responses to the knuckleheads that are dumping on the vid or the sound of your kit. Priceless. Keep up the good work my friend.
ezhope1 1 year ago 2
I can't believe you guys! This man knows how to teach drums and should be applauded.
drBOP, just ignore the trolls. Your material speaks for itself.
turnitback 1 year ago 5
Thanks for sharing this and keeping Max's playing spirit alive . Best of luck ...
TheAllemar 1 year ago
Hey, I dig what your doing, but! I think you have the tom pattern backwards, but It's still a cool way to do St Thomas.
floorted 1 year ago
Dr. B0P you've cured my incapacity!
I had no clue what kind of groove to play for St.Thomas in my school jazz band. You got some ideas goin in my head that I can improvise upon. Thanks dude.
LIGHTRONIX 1 year ago
solid beats dr. bop.. will try this one out
srm5436 2 years ago
nothing special. 5 yr old kid can it better.
McElioth 2 years ago
I am overwhelmed by your generous comments. I look forward to your video response soon.
DoctorB0P 2 years ago 5
Well played
jephthah007 1 year ago
Just for those that want to know the difference. All it is is that the first two notes played with the hands are displaces one eighth note back. Dr Bop starts playing the tom and snare on the 1 +, whereas Roach starts it on the + 2. That's the only difference. Gives it a more bouncy syncopated feel. The foot pattern is the same as is the floor tom, but the first tom and snare are played on + 2, instead of 1 +. Hope that helps anyone wanting the know Roach's version.
bteniswood 2 years ago
While it isn't the Calipso Roach played on Rollins' St Thomas it IS A Calipso and could work with St Thomas so it's still cool and could work with that song, just a different version than the one Max played.
bteniswood 2 years ago
yeah, with your left hand you go as if you're about to do a side stick but don't actually get it on the rim, keep it on the head of the drum and it will make that dead sound... that's how i know it, at least. the rest of it is cool for the most part... playing could be much more in sync and confident, dr. bop...
salvadorsimp 3 years ago
Thanks Doc. your videos are really helping me get my swing on. of all the on-line lessons, yours have helped me the most.you are a better teacher than you get credit for.its how you influence people that counts,not how your gear sounds.pleas keep posting videos.love your style and attitude.
loosenutlambert 3 years ago
This very competent drumming, great timing, and very well explained.
TroyaE117 3 years ago
u need to show how to play st.thomas not calypso...
synergygirl 3 years ago
Dr.B0P you should go back to the original recording and play along with max. You will realize you are wrong. All drummers please don't learn this groove it isn't entirely correct.
dunsstt 3 years ago
Hey thanks for the comment. I am glad that you have taken the time and effort to watch. Utube is a great platform for sharing ideas. However you have not advanced our knowledge with your comment. I welcome and will gladly accept any video response showing revisions or corrections. In the meantime I am certain that intelligent people will do their own listening and thinking.
I look forward to your video corrections.
Keep swinging Dr.B
DoctorB0P 3 years ago
OK, maybe Dr.BOP made a slip up saying 'I'm going to share with you what Max played' - because it suggests he was going to do the exact beat. I think Max played it a little different - a click followed by a rim shot and then the beat on just one tom. But he does say later, "don't copy Max, make it your own"...
It's still a cool groove!
Search for St. Thomas in youtube - there are dozens of different versions and NO ONE plays it just like Max, in fact often they play it totally different...
SAHBfan 3 years ago
i've had this vid in my favourites a while now, had a brief go of it a while back, i love getting to see all the different things i can try with my kit.
had a real good go with this rythmn yesterday at the studio and had a blast! spent a while trying out some accent variations and learning how to throw in some different fills and stuff. thanks for sharing your knowledge dude. :D
oh! and, sharp threads! :D
rrrickflair 3 years ago
max would have played softer
Jhd0358 3 years ago
There's no need to be pedantic, i was just stating my opinion on your kit.
andylow01 3 years ago
everything about that kit sounds terrible
andylow01 3 years ago
Thank you so much for your valuable and insightful comment on the content of my video. I value all comments and this example sure contextualizes the notion of cultural identity in a paradigm of contemporary jazz music in
1950's America better than most. I'm so glad you enjoyed it.
DoctorB0P 3 years ago 3
Great stuff Doc - if you had a beard, I would swear you were Ringo !
vulture711 3 years ago
How great to play a tribute to the great Max. Thanks Dr Bop. Another interesting thing would be how Max Roach plays on Caravan with Duke Elllington and Mingus, no calypso but also a bit special...
lochday 3 years ago
interesting sounds out of the left hand. It's also nice to get one sound down before you very it up
20102510 3 years ago
thats not what max played..close though
madchops82 3 years ago
how bout a little practice time with a metronome??
steviedeedee 3 years ago 3
lol!.... yawn..... hope ya feel better now. XD
DoctorB0P 3 years ago
yeah I noticed that too... good vid tho
jazzdog2 3 years ago
wow that was pretty cool...thanks
im so gonna use that next time me and my steel band plays st. thomas, hopefully it sounds good....that was really easy :D
check out my vids man, i got some calypso vids and a soca video...tell me wut u think
oscarm50 3 years ago
maybe you need to rename the headliner,like Dr BOP plays a tribute to max roach and not you playing calypso,I love max and he still is the greats with elvin,art,buddy and so on.
socadrum 3 years ago
You are absolutely right! Amendment to follow.
Max is the man! Only got to see him once, but it will stay with me.
Keep the faith!
DoctorB0P 3 years ago
Nice video,thou thats not calypso drumming,you sound educate yourself on the music where it comes from like trinidad and tobago,study,learn,practice then put it out there. Theres enough bad representations.
socadrum 3 years ago
Hey! Thanks for the comment. Remember I am demonstrating what Max Roach played on a particular track (St. Thomas) and some starting points on how to get there. It is not my intention to present a definitive "authentic" calypso, Though the track is desrcibed as "calypso": Apologies for any confusion.
Dr.Bop.
DoctorB0P 3 years ago
thanks for the video! awesome help
RRRman3 3 years ago 7
Glad to help! Dr.B.
DoctorB0P 3 years ago
thanks Dr.Bop this is so cool.you just helped me step my playing up.
minus148 3 years ago 3
Funktátic.Please next time mix a little better between bass drum and toms. Snare is much to loud. Great musician.
behjoh 3 years ago 2
Thanks dr.Bop! Nice stuff. Keep 'm coming!
robko218 4 years ago
You got it! Dr. B.
DoctorB0P 4 years ago
You're Great Dr.!thanx
petran1350 4 years ago
:) thanks, i'll be using that ta
rumblestrips 4 years ago
good stuff. great videos
pseudonymproductions 4 years ago 3
welldone man!!
flejolost 4 years ago 5