Any phobia is an irrational fear of something, but based on what I have learned about Islam, from Islamic sources, a fear of Islam is completely rational. And if you think peace is a common goal, that goes to show how little you know.
@Wilbur665 -- well no you dont undersand Islam by picking out a few selections from scripture-- you can do that with the Bible for sure. Whats the point? You need to deeply understand a faith by reading about how it is organized and interpreted and lived. With over a billion Muslims on the planet I dont think we have any more bad apples than other societies--
@Wilbur665 but we do have issues yes indeed at this point in social development and history and to address these issues we need to work together respectfuly.
Dismissing or misunderstanding the entire experience of Islam-as lived- and its diversity-- does not lead to that mutual respect we need to work together.
@NYInterfaith "but we do have issues yes..." ?? That is down-playing the reality by quite a bit, and as for social development, it has been stagnant for at least 1200 years. I can be quite respectful in talking about facts as I understand them, but my concern is that some may define respect to include not speaking honestly.
Here is the answer to why all Muslims are blamed for the actions of a "few" - It's because the "good" muslims don't do ANYTHING to end the terror of the "bad" muslims. Were those savages who were dancing in the streets in the Mid-East on 9/11/2001 all terrorists?? Must be.
Re below, I mean, a Musalla is not open for the 5 daily prayers all year round but usually only 3 or 4 to accomodate those who work in the area. Park51 is mainly a community center for eveyone to participate in no matter what religion, following the model of the JCC or YMCA which are faith based too. The project is not what it is depicted as in the distorted reporting--some of you know that and some of you may not. Let's please not be led by lies that diminishes us and brings shame to our nation
That said, there are many more mosques than 90. Technically this mosque is NOT a mosque --it is a "musalla" a prayer hall that is not open for all 5 prayers throughout the year. There are many many of those in addition to the over 200 mosques in the city, mostly small... mosques are not where radicalization happens in this country folks. It is the internet.
No, it is not true that any building containing a mosque is a mosque. There are various office buildings with mosques in them for example. Some Muslims in NYC are uneasy with there being a swimming pool in the same building as prayers so there may be some who feel the whole buidlng must be given over to spiritual or even tradition-compliant activities-- but many others disagree. American Muslims like to open new doors!
No one is suing to get rid of Christianity! I dont know what you are referring to but it certainly does not involve us. We are also active in denouncing extremists who in Iraq and Egypt and Iraq are targeting Christians. We need to work together on this instead of demonizing each other.
I find it funny when Muslims and liberals lecture on religious freedom, yet they sue to get rid of Christianity. Also, if you were so tolerant, you would demand that Mecca allow churches and synagogues.
The sound track on this video is edited I was there and I dint hear this much bullshit ,, No Morgue opps I mean no Mosque ate Ground zero now, not tomorrow not ever
I have studied Islam for 15 years. and spent 4 in the middle east. Any structure that contains a mosque is in iteslf considdered a mosque. It is the tradition of Islam to build one on the site of a great battle as a victory placement, to further inspire Islamic Jihad.
No matter what it is called, terrorist all over the world will be INSPIRED by it's construction. That is reason enough to stop it.
why do they need another mosque, when there is 90 in NYC? and why when offered another site they angrily turned it down? why are they calling it cordoba? listen America, i'm from England and love you're country, i have family in USA. Don't let this happen, obama will bring your country to its knees and makr it bow to islam!! seriously stop islam at the grass roots, or you will pay!
"Islamophobe" Typical leftist fallback. I say send all the pro-Islam leftists to the middle east! After a few stonings, they might just wake up to reality!
@celticricky32 Dispite popular belief. Islam is NOT a religion. its an idealology, an entire form of government that applies to the masses first. When it applies to all, then and only then does it apply to the individual as religion. and there are several other beliefs in America that were and are not recognized by government.
@kellerr13 You've studied Islam more than I have. I do believe Islam has as much good to offer as any idealogy has if understood properly. to understand any idealogy takes time, even longer than a lifetime.
So whats new,its the same old story.....Irish were once called the Roman Catholic spies,Italians were murdered,lynching,black slavery,Vietnam.Big deal.
@faithinequality It is not the same thing you moron. These muslims are terrorists. Those that attacked on 9/11 were Muslims. Those that want to kill the jews and christians are Muslims. Wake up you mindless liberal idiot.
I am so sick of these Muslims........this country was based on Judeo-Christian principles and we have no room for your Islamic bullshit. Get the fuck out of here or be prepared to meet your makers. There is trouble coming and you started it. Go back you camel jockeys where you came from.
The land belongs to the native people who live there dick head we should kill you bastards and give it back to them get the fuck of land thats not yours, you degenerate basteds
@sk6060sk The morons are you muslim supporters. Don't you see they want to kill Jews and Christians. Are you blind? You liberals better wake up on this one. This is war and we need to be prepared.
@docweb2004 NO i am not blind. The only people that are doing mass killings is the people who u support. Your chums have killed 100,000s of people in Iraq and Afghanistan. Not to mention all the other conflicts are involved in. I'm glad you are preparing yourself for war, although you need shed 100lb first, maybe get a girlfriend so you don't die a virgin, get some weapons training but you probably already have that coz you are a marine and a MMA fighter as is every hateful Muppet on this site.
@docweb2004 The liberals are the problem. This war should be focused more on the liberals. Defeat the liberals, and everything else will work itself out.
the koran says that because I am not a muslim it is OK to lie to me, pretend to be my freind until the the time they are strong enough to defeat me, if I do not convert kill me. So yes I am a islamophobe. take off your rose colored glasses they did not come in peace
JUST BECAUSE PEOPLE OPPOSE THE LOCATION OFTHE MOSQUE DOESN'T MEAN THEY'RE AN "ISLAMOPHOBE". i love how that term floats around, aimed at anyone who's critical of islam. that's how muslims remain victims and that's how everyone else looks like the bigot. a big F-you!
@sk6060sk it doesn't MATTER who. and you're obviously muslim with that jew comment? muslims HATE jews yet are so insulted if anyone shows any opinion that contradicts islam. talk about double standards! so racist, yet complain everyone else is a bigot if they don't like islam
American have got to remember they don't have a fucken country they have no fucken history and no fucken heritage no culture What happened to the Native people who were living there your in denial, you in denial of 9/11 being an inside job your in denial of the africans slaves your apologists Mother fuckers What give you the fucken right to tell others not to build on land and earth the does not belong to you where the fuck did you ancestors come from
Again this is twisted Islamic logic. I'm not American neither do i live in America but I find islamic logic and insensitivity most disgusting and offensive. You find it everywhere and anywhere there are Muslims. Their ideology is "live and let die".
How do you feel about a church or synagogue being built on the black rock in Mecca or Medina?
Mecca and Medina belongs to the native semetic people who live thier for thousands of years way longer then america even existed if you go to arabia today you can see they look like the native people speek the native mother language and have the native culture, what make america holy it used to be holy land to the native america these people that are protesting don't look like native american do they or in your devil eyes
What about the Mosque at the temple mount in Jerusalem? Is that also Arab land? What about Egypt and north Africa. What about Lebanon, Iraq, Iran and many others now occupied by these insensitive and murderous paedophiles with twisted minds - who use violence to demonstrate that their religion is "peaceful"?
This is again about the twisted logic of Muslims. It amazes me how even the so called moderates are so insensitive. Why do Muslims always build (or want to build) on other people's holy places? The al-aqsa mosque was built on the top of the Jewish temple, a mosque was recently built opposite the Church of Nativity, in India another was built on a Hindu temple. Why do Muslims always abuse the liberty given to them? What an evil religion. What a SHAME !!!
What about the native americans thier holy lands was fucken stolen by the fucken american pigs who live on it today and these basted have got the fucken cheek to tell other not to build on land when they built on holy land that was never ever thiers you remember that ok fuck head!!!
All those people are Nazi criminals and they must be kicked out of this world. I hate Talibans because they force their view on others and I hate these Nazi fucks because they also force their view on others.
Liberals and Muslims have no sympathy for the 9/11 victims. Funny how Muslims lecture on freedom of religion when many Muslim countries persecute people for being Christian or Jewish. Those same Muslim countries won't allow churches or synagogues.
@StoogeWatcher that's bullshit. Muslims were as shocked as anyone in the world by the 9/11 attacks. And Muslim countries respect all people no matter their religion. I have lived in Malaysia and more than 40% are non-Muslim, and guess what, they have a great life there.
@guitarman2677 No, they weren't. They all have the same goal. to usher in the Dar-El-Salam, which only happens when Islam rules all the world. They use lots of deceptions to fool you. They say it is forbidden for them to tell a lie, but they don't tell you they are actually allowed to if it helps to spread or defend Islam. They tell you they would never harm an innocent, but leave out the fact they do not considder Jews or Christians to be innocent. Ask some.
We are already planning to put pigs blood and dead pigs at the site if you dare to build your terror mosque. Get out of my country you raghead bastards.
Evidently you're not even American , no matter how much you try to cover-up your accent it shows...you should go back to which ever European country you're from and walk with the Jihadist over there, you're s a pathetic lost case anyway ....
What did the muzzies invented what cultural masterpieces have they made? Where is muzzie Beethoven, where is muzzie Monet?, Chopin?, Rembrandt, Rubens, Bach !?
Any phobia is an irrational fear of something, but based on what I have learned about Islam, from Islamic sources, a fear of Islam is completely rational. And if you think peace is a common goal, that goes to show how little you know.
Wilbur665 7 months ago
@Wilbur665 -- well no you dont undersand Islam by picking out a few selections from scripture-- you can do that with the Bible for sure. Whats the point? You need to deeply understand a faith by reading about how it is organized and interpreted and lived. With over a billion Muslims on the planet I dont think we have any more bad apples than other societies--
NYInterfaith 7 months ago
@Wilbur665 but we do have issues yes indeed at this point in social development and history and to address these issues we need to work together respectfuly.
Dismissing or misunderstanding the entire experience of Islam-as lived- and its diversity-- does not lead to that mutual respect we need to work together.
NYInterfaith 7 months ago
@NYInterfaith "but we do have issues yes..." ?? That is down-playing the reality by quite a bit, and as for social development, it has been stagnant for at least 1200 years. I can be quite respectful in talking about facts as I understand them, but my concern is that some may define respect to include not speaking honestly.
Wilbur665 7 months ago
Here is the answer to why all Muslims are blamed for the actions of a "few" - It's because the "good" muslims don't do ANYTHING to end the terror of the "bad" muslims. Were those savages who were dancing in the streets in the Mid-East on 9/11/2001 all terrorists?? Must be.
LODGE4444 1 year ago
Re below, I mean, a Musalla is not open for the 5 daily prayers all year round but usually only 3 or 4 to accomodate those who work in the area. Park51 is mainly a community center for eveyone to participate in no matter what religion, following the model of the JCC or YMCA which are faith based too. The project is not what it is depicted as in the distorted reporting--some of you know that and some of you may not. Let's please not be led by lies that diminishes us and brings shame to our nation
NYInterfaith 1 year ago
That said, there are many more mosques than 90. Technically this mosque is NOT a mosque --it is a "musalla" a prayer hall that is not open for all 5 prayers throughout the year. There are many many of those in addition to the over 200 mosques in the city, mostly small... mosques are not where radicalization happens in this country folks. It is the internet.
NYInterfaith 1 year ago
No, it is not true that any building containing a mosque is a mosque. There are various office buildings with mosques in them for example. Some Muslims in NYC are uneasy with there being a swimming pool in the same building as prayers so there may be some who feel the whole buidlng must be given over to spiritual or even tradition-compliant activities-- but many others disagree. American Muslims like to open new doors!
NYInterfaith 1 year ago
It may give a thrill to insult us (as Muslims or individuals) but finally it is not as responsible as trying to work together for a better world.
NYInterfaith 1 year ago
No one is suing to get rid of Christianity! I dont know what you are referring to but it certainly does not involve us. We are also active in denouncing extremists who in Iraq and Egypt and Iraq are targeting Christians. We need to work together on this instead of demonizing each other.
NYInterfaith 1 year ago
I find it funny when Muslims and liberals lecture on religious freedom, yet they sue to get rid of Christianity. Also, if you were so tolerant, you would demand that Mecca allow churches and synagogues.
StoogeWatcher 1 year ago
The sound track on this video is edited I was there and I dint hear this much bullshit ,, No Morgue opps I mean no Mosque ate Ground zero now, not tomorrow not ever
TincanSailor831 1 year ago
This guy is a schmuck! He is proof the left wing libralism is a mental disorder!
MrNickbento 1 year ago
I have studied Islam for 15 years. and spent 4 in the middle east. Any structure that contains a mosque is in iteslf considdered a mosque. It is the tradition of Islam to build one on the site of a great battle as a victory placement, to further inspire Islamic Jihad.
No matter what it is called, terrorist all over the world will be INSPIRED by it's construction. That is reason enough to stop it.
kellerr13 1 year ago
fuck islam.
build that mosque somewhere else
2Revert2Islam 1 year ago
why do they need another mosque, when there is 90 in NYC? and why when offered another site they angrily turned it down? why are they calling it cordoba? listen America, i'm from England and love you're country, i have family in USA. Don't let this happen, obama will bring your country to its knees and makr it bow to islam!! seriously stop islam at the grass roots, or you will pay!
theHatchett1 1 year ago
"Islamophobe" Typical leftist fallback. I say send all the pro-Islam leftists to the middle east! After a few stonings, they might just wake up to reality!
MagnusAtheos1 1 year ago
This is disgusting
ScarlettKnights 1 year ago
its the beginning of the religious persecution. muslim first, christians next
celticricky32 1 year ago
@celticricky32 Dispite popular belief. Islam is NOT a religion. its an idealology, an entire form of government that applies to the masses first. When it applies to all, then and only then does it apply to the individual as religion. and there are several other beliefs in America that were and are not recognized by government.
kellerr13 1 year ago
@kellerr13 You've studied Islam more than I have. I do believe Islam has as much good to offer as any idealogy has if understood properly. to understand any idealogy takes time, even longer than a lifetime.
celticricky32 1 year ago
So whats new,its the same old story.....Irish were once called the Roman Catholic spies,Italians were murdered,lynching,black slavery,Vietnam.Big deal.
faithinequality 1 year ago
@faithinequality It is not the same thing you moron. These muslims are terrorists. Those that attacked on 9/11 were Muslims. Those that want to kill the jews and christians are Muslims. Wake up you mindless liberal idiot.
docweb2004 1 year ago
It's the same,just like Irish catholics were once blamed to be Roman Catholic spies.
Big deal Italians were brutally murdered,Black slavery,Vietnam.Nothing new.
faithinequality 1 year ago
I am so sick of these Muslims........this country was based on Judeo-Christian principles and we have no room for your Islamic bullshit. Get the fuck out of here or be prepared to meet your makers. There is trouble coming and you started it. Go back you camel jockeys where you came from.
docweb2004 1 year ago
@docweb2004
The land belongs to the native people who live there dick head we should kill you bastards and give it back to them get the fuck of land thats not yours, you degenerate basteds
YUSKHAN 1 year ago
@YUSKHAN That’s the inconvenient truth for these morons.
sk6060sk 1 year ago
@sk6060sk The morons are you muslim supporters. Don't you see they want to kill Jews and Christians. Are you blind? You liberals better wake up on this one. This is war and we need to be prepared.
docweb2004 1 year ago
@docweb2004 NO i am not blind. The only people that are doing mass killings is the people who u support. Your chums have killed 100,000s of people in Iraq and Afghanistan. Not to mention all the other conflicts are involved in. I'm glad you are preparing yourself for war, although you need shed 100lb first, maybe get a girlfriend so you don't die a virgin, get some weapons training but you probably already have that coz you are a marine and a MMA fighter as is every hateful Muppet on this site.
sk6060sk 1 year ago
@docweb2004 The liberals are the problem. This war should be focused more on the liberals. Defeat the liberals, and everything else will work itself out.
MagnusAtheos1 1 year ago
Fuck all you muslim pricks
docweb2004 1 year ago
cause islam is a religion that breeds intolerance and violence and persection through deceit , lies and terrorism
kevinscholes 1 year ago
nevermind the protest, as there a hurricane that day?? either that or you have a bad mic
jamespohh 1 year ago
the koran says that because I am not a muslim it is OK to lie to me, pretend to be my freind until the the time they are strong enough to defeat me, if I do not convert kill me. So yes I am a islamophobe. take off your rose colored glasses they did not come in peace
trailertrashrnr 1 year ago
JUST BECAUSE PEOPLE OPPOSE THE LOCATION OFTHE MOSQUE DOESN'T MEAN THEY'RE AN "ISLAMOPHOBE". i love how that term floats around, aimed at anyone who's critical of islam. that's how muslims remain victims and that's how everyone else looks like the bigot. a big F-you!
skarfaced 1 year ago
@skarfaced The jews have been doing it for 100s of years. Any comments on that?
sk6060sk 1 year ago
@sk6060sk it doesn't MATTER who. and you're obviously muslim with that jew comment? muslims HATE jews yet are so insulted if anyone shows any opinion that contradicts islam. talk about double standards! so racist, yet complain everyone else is a bigot if they don't like islam
skarfaced 1 year ago
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American have got to remember they don't have a fucken country they have no fucken history and no fucken heritage no culture What happened to the Native people who were living there your in denial, you in denial of 9/11 being an inside job your in denial of the africans slaves your apologists Mother fuckers What give you the fucken right to tell others not to build on land and earth the does not belong to you where the fuck did you ancestors come from
YUSKHAN 1 year ago 4
@YUSKHAN
Again this is twisted Islamic logic. I'm not American neither do i live in America but I find islamic logic and insensitivity most disgusting and offensive. You find it everywhere and anywhere there are Muslims. Their ideology is "live and let die".
How do you feel about a church or synagogue being built on the black rock in Mecca or Medina?
lisab2008a 1 year ago
@lisab2008a
Mecca and Medina belongs to the native semetic people who live thier for thousands of years way longer then america even existed if you go to arabia today you can see they look like the native people speek the native mother language and have the native culture, what make america holy it used to be holy land to the native america these people that are protesting don't look like native american do they or in your devil eyes
YUSKHAN 1 year ago
@YUSKHAN
What about the Mosque at the temple mount in Jerusalem? Is that also Arab land? What about Egypt and north Africa. What about Lebanon, Iraq, Iran and many others now occupied by these insensitive and murderous paedophiles with twisted minds - who use violence to demonstrate that their religion is "peaceful"?
lisab2008a 1 year ago
@lisab2008a
You have been persecuted and its fucked you up psycholicaly i feel sorry for you
YUSKHAN 1 year ago
@YUSKHAN Screw you Islamic bastards. I hope you all get out of here or die and rot in hell
docweb2004 1 year ago
This is again about the twisted logic of Muslims. It amazes me how even the so called moderates are so insensitive. Why do Muslims always build (or want to build) on other people's holy places? The al-aqsa mosque was built on the top of the Jewish temple, a mosque was recently built opposite the Church of Nativity, in India another was built on a Hindu temple. Why do Muslims always abuse the liberty given to them? What an evil religion. What a SHAME !!!
lisab2008a 1 year ago
@lisab2008a
What about the native americans thier holy lands was fucken stolen by the fucken american pigs who live on it today and these basted have got the fucken cheek to tell other not to build on land when they built on holy land that was never ever thiers you remember that ok fuck head!!!
YUSKHAN 1 year ago
the terrorists win, now they will find secular muslim people to brainwash and say 'see what did i tell you, hah?
jupiterscastle 1 year ago
All those people are Nazi criminals and they must be kicked out of this world. I hate Talibans because they force their view on others and I hate these Nazi fucks because they also force their view on others.
lonovik 1 year ago
Liberals and Muslims have no sympathy for the 9/11 victims. Funny how Muslims lecture on freedom of religion when many Muslim countries persecute people for being Christian or Jewish. Those same Muslim countries won't allow churches or synagogues.
StoogeWatcher 1 year ago
@StoogeWatcher
So do many Christian countries, have you ever been to USA ?
lonovik 1 year ago
@lonovik Dude, I AM American. That's why I oppose a mosque near Ground Zero.
StoogeWatcher 1 year ago
@StoogeWatcher that's bullshit. Muslims were as shocked as anyone in the world by the 9/11 attacks. And Muslim countries respect all people no matter their religion. I have lived in Malaysia and more than 40% are non-Muslim, and guess what, they have a great life there.
guitarman2677 1 year ago
@guitarman2677 No, they weren't. They all have the same goal. to usher in the Dar-El-Salam, which only happens when Islam rules all the world. They use lots of deceptions to fool you. They say it is forbidden for them to tell a lie, but they don't tell you they are actually allowed to if it helps to spread or defend Islam. They tell you they would never harm an innocent, but leave out the fact they do not considder Jews or Christians to be innocent. Ask some.
kellerr13 1 year ago
why is it so important to build it right next to ground zero.
flamer221 1 year ago
We are already planning to put pigs blood and dead pigs at the site if you dare to build your terror mosque. Get out of my country you raghead bastards.
timedjumpoff 1 year ago
@timedjumpoff
you don't have a fucken country you fucken american pig why don't you get the fuck out of land that was never your
were do you come from??????????
What happened to the native american people you basted
don't you fucken remember them hay
YUSKHAN 1 year ago
build it somewhere else!!!!!!!!!!!!
YaleU 1 year ago
@YaleU
Why
YUSKHAN 1 year ago
Evidently you're not even American , no matter how much you try to cover-up your accent it shows...you should go back to which ever European country you're from and walk with the Jihadist over there, you're s a pathetic lost case anyway ....
terribetancourt 1 year ago
@terribetancourt
But where the fuck did you come from
YUSKHAN 1 year ago
@YUSKHAN Fuck you, you muslim asshole. I am so sick of us having to be tolerant of you terrorist pricks. There is a war coming, and you will lose.
docweb2004 1 year ago
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terribetancourt 1 year ago
You need a culture in the first place!
What did the muzzies invented what cultural masterpieces have they made? Where is muzzie Beethoven, where is muzzie Monet?, Chopin?, Rembrandt, Rubens, Bach !?
They produced and invented ZERO, NADA!
Lysy2 1 year ago 2
@Lysy2
if you were educated my be you would know by now but you fucken dumb
YUSKHAN 1 year ago
Hey Buddy shove your left wing stupidity deep up yours!
Don’t' you thing asshole that f...'tolerance' is a two way street!
Islamofascist want to build mosque here, ok, then lets build a church in Saudi Arabia?
Have you ever hared of Catholics cutting people heads off? Hindus blowing themselves-up on busses? Buddhists hijacking planes!
I am sick of this BS! Tolerance! Racism! No I don't like islam and don't want f... mosques especially in Ground Zero!
Cultural Center? Are you kidding?
Lysy2 1 year ago