Guthrie Govan - Odd Note Groupings - Guitar Tips Licklibrary.com

[Waltoooooo]

Search for Guthrie Govan Namm 2011 and you'll find a seminar, there's Guthrie advising not to use metronome because of the annoying sound of it. And then he demonstrated it with that harmonic metronome. :D

[nemogre]

showing off...he could have just tap his freaking foot

[MechanizedPencil]

@nemogre

Probably wouldn't be able to hear it on video though.

[danieloliveiraog]

@nemogre Sure, because the only way he can show off is to make a simple metronome...

[nemogre]

@danieloliveiraog certainly not... he knows a thousands way to show off....

[Nragemachine]

I like how excited he got when this question was asked, you can tell how much he loves music and playing the guitar and sharing that joy with others.

[pippipmagrip]

Look Ian Anderson did that look in 1969, get your own.

[Greenwithevil]

I expected nothing less from an Oxford attendee. 

[UltimaRedFireEskimo]

did this guy just make a fucking metronome....

[swamdono]

@UltimaRedFireEskimo

Of course. And if he felt like it, he could make a garden shed out of it. Or a toilet roll tube.

[detroidxl]

OMG HE MADE A METRONOME THATS SO BRILLIANT YET SIMPLE!

[kitplayer01]

beggining sounds like rush- xanadu!

[leifdeleeuw]

1:38 Peaches and Regalia!!! :)

[rulo0801]

you guys deleted the video where he does circus funk? noooooooo

[bonzey1171]

Cool. Telling people to listen to Frank Zappa. Always good advice for any musician. Black napkins is insane. The Black Page Part 2 is also bitchen. Frank will always be my favorite composer and guitarist. Filthy Habits is so raunchy. Music is the best.

[loki8lelouch7]

DUDE WTF HE MADE A METRONOME !!!!!!

[666danielclark666]

I think this guy looks like Ian Anderson :P

[Will137]

Where's the lick library video where there's some kind of electrical mishap, and a socket off to the side starts smoking - which prompts Guthrie to go "woah!" - that was funny.

[djschindler]

frank was a genious!

[mribanezrg350]

the best thing is to listen to balkan music. we have a lot of that kind of rhythm in our ethnic music. for example Vlatko Stefanovski- Jovano Jovanke, this one of many..

[RisingEternity]

thiis guy rules! 

[TheBlakem]

HE IS THE BEST!

[JohnnySegment86]

To get a feel for five npb I just tap on the beat and go down chromatically using pull offs with my fretting hand...... works pretty well if you keep a steady tap and have four fingers

[shreddy85]

evrybody can make a metronome as long as u have descent delay effect...



[Rocker6458]

@shreddy85 sure man sure

[jagung5]

johhny depp

[Aeoliandorian]

PEACHES EN REGALIA!

[blackmetalrockdeath]

he ate guitar for breakfast.

[schmittl1]

Yes!!! Konnakol... something Guthrie can't do on guitar



[hahnicetits]

0 people should die! >=0

[sirmarkdavid]

INTRIGUING!

[kalimoncho51]

0 dislikes !!! He is great !!!

[NickoTheGuitarist]

He's so nice and polite haha

[machinesway0x3]

did he just fucken read my mind and just know that im familiar with the blues scale D; WTF

[Zarrinkoub]

his tone is awful here

[ReinRockz]

@Zarrinkoub bullshit.. your ears was

[Zarrinkoub]

@ReinRockz

nope

[ReinRockz]

@Zarrinkoub yes



[vortxthrash]

" I will prescribe to listen to frank zappa" that is so cool... they guy is a genious even wen he talks

[Gregorypeckory]

@vortxthrash Guthrie is awesome, so don't take this wrong, but if prescribing Zappa for his odd meters makes you a genuis, then thanks for the complement, because that would make me one also. Sadly, I don't really think the criteria is valid, as I'm no genius.

[PotaboChips]

@vortxthrash

GENIUS. Clearly you aren't one...

[happyapple248]

"Primitive metronome"

[drmmer123]

Ta Ti Ki Da Tum!!!! haha

been working on that stuff for a few months and its definitely the hardest thing i've ever tried to learn.

[Gergerpatpat]

LOL @ 1:15 Did he just say groupie?

[EscapDAfate]

2:44 i call bullshit and Guthrie knows it. Just look at that deceiving smile. Govan you joker, you.

[schmittl1]

@EscapDAfate no its actulally a real thing. i looked it up after seeing this videos. Konnakol is the real deal and its some crazy shit.

[EscapDAfate]

@EscapDAfate hahha i meant the part where he says "which i can't do"

[Onamonapiafied]

this guy.... fuggin' brilliant man....

[jamoke666]

G.G. Rules!

[mojopin70]

ive just realised .........guthrie looks like robert plant 1970 era ...fuck why didnt i notice this before LOL

[GuitarRonnie13]

And he didn't even use a loop pedal for the metronome! What a guitar god!

[mariokris22]

damn even a metronome sound he could make

[serhanbg]

distorted metronome

[cyberflea07]

the thing I find hard is playing 5's and 7's at a moderate tempo with a half time feel,but it really helps with articulation....I dig your metronome!! my digital one sucks in comparison.

[thegreatgarry]

Guthrie makes metronome??!?!

How on earth he does that ?!?

[gitarmats]

@thegreatgarry

Bridge pickup - press fingers on strings above the neck - pick strings accordingly.

[FishStik5ive]

YES! FRANK ZAPPA! GUTHRIE GOVAN! HOLY CRAP

[encguitarist]

Guthrie is everything a guitar player would want. A guitar god and a metronome :)

[TheRealAchilleZ]

He should've just answered this question with both of his songs "Fives" and "Sevens" lol.

[perky596]

@TheRealAchilleZ Fives and Sevens were named based upon their intervals not their rhythmic groupings.

[pozereater]

@perky596 thats not true at all. theyre titled Fives and Sevens because of the time signature. Fives is in 5/4, and Sevens in 7/8. at a clinic at Berklee College of Music, Govan said his inspiration for Fives was: he was sitting in a park and heard a bird chirping in 5/4

[panamanian911]

@pozereater they don't always apply with time signatures. When he played that Zappa riff, he squeezed 5 notes in a 16th note subdivision.

[neo4reals]

@TheRealAchilleZ The subject isn't odd meter, its odd groupings- quintuplets/septuplets

[sIash90]

that's a good lesson. I think I need to get familiar with odd groupings of notes because I'm not too fast of an alternate picker yet. Therefore I'm not confortable soloing at tempos between 120bpm and 150 bpm let's say. Because up to 120 I can use groups of 6 for fast runs and around 150 16th notes fit pretty good for fast passages in solos. But in between 16th notes sound too slow and groups of 6 are way too fast for me. groups of 5 might be the solution

[Nevigo]

He seem to be a good guy.Very nice and calm,and he understand to say it so people dont sit like a bit Q.:)

[racerx11080]

if you are not able to play that primitive metronome, and you are one of those who will be so amazed with loop recording that they will vote thumbs up for "Guthrie playing a metronome!!!  Is there anything he cannot play?" , than you should start looking for another hobby, and sell your guitar on ebay

[tavola1992]

@racerx11080 HAHAHAHAHAHA u're right

[pabcq]

@racerx11080

no need to be rude to the guy, im sure when u were a newbie u were also impressed by stuff that wasnt, now when u think back, that impressive rly :P

[MrNico739]

@racerx11080 agreed. it was clever but not something that makes you amazing

[panamanian911]

@racerx11080 HOLY JESUS.. DID HE JUST PLAY A METRONOME????????

[sniper1shade]

@racerx11080 man you're sick and who thumbs you up are even sicker,,,,,,,,,you came here and before you read any comment you start criticizing people come on you're sick i bet that you're an idiot........i can play anything on the guitar okay but yes i like the idea of the metronome and i know about looping okay and i can do a fukn awsome song using the harmony stuff and looping like a god but yeahh i like the metronome idea,,,,,,,

[alish911]

OMG this video views in old youtube.

IMY :'(

[windsurfben]

yeah just play the metronome as well then, as ya do. haha

[tabotabojayar]

is that aloop pedal he used to record and play continously that metronome?

[Knuckles669]

Great Lesson! Great Player!

[erroneousapostrophe]

I approve of his nod to Zappa

[KingTabor]

Nice! But I missed some insight into the 7-note groupings.

[gitarmats]

@KingTabor

Same thing as 5, just more notes basicly.

Just space it evenly out between each beat of the metronome.

Getting used to using odd rythm groupings can open up new worlds of possibilities! I strongly recommend experimenting with it!

[gr1moire2112]

@KingTabor You could use something like a phrase with 7 syllables. One way for septuplets being

Gina Lollobrigida

1 a Lollobrigida, 2 a Lollobrigida, 3 a Lollobrigida etc...

Hope it helps.

[KingTabor]

@KingTabor actually I can play fast (I mean, in a soloing frame) the 5-note g's, but the 7-note still are a problem to me. Not at lower speeds, where they can easily fall into some progressive grooves, like Rush or DT had taught us all. Thanks for the GINA hint, it helped!

[thrakkattack]

@KingTabor

Buckethead uses 7note groupings a lot in his live soloing. Check out Siege Engine on yt for instance.

He uses the second method Guthrie mentions, using regular 6 note licks and lines and speeding it up slightly to make it sevens. Once you get the rhythm engraved in you head, it's fairly easy to take your normal 6notes playing and move it up to 7's. It worked for me in any case. Better method then learning specific 7notes licks and lines.

[KingTabor]

@thrakkattack This method you said can work. Hard is telling when and if it is actually working, I mean knowing if one is playing actually 7 notes-a-time instead of 7.2, 7.78 or any other number, given the free nature of the method "OK, I have this nice Rhoads lick down, now I´m gonna speed it up by ... hmm.. 20%? No, must be 30%!...or..."

[thrakkattack]

@KingTabor

It's not really a free nature, because any repeated 6 note line should start over exactly on the beat after seven times. Ofcourse, this is a lot of time to 'plan' the speed , but 7note grouping does have it's own cadence , just as 3notes, 4notes etc have, but more uncommon and therefor harder to master.

But if you listen to it long enough, like repeating 'Gina Lollobrigida' like someone suggest below, or a loop of a 6notes line played as 7's, you'll eventually known how 7notes sound

[Guitareben]

Any luck with getting the webcast section on the site working?

[doeboyfresh863]

eye of the tiger at 1:55!!!! lol i know dumb lol

[Murkyftw]

I love Guthrie

[L33tP1ckL]

Guthrie is not only a great player, but as this lesson plainly shows, a pretty decent teacher as well. His intent, to have you break the often sour mold of 3 and 4 note groupings and ultimately, the horribly overused I IV V progression, will lend itself to expanding your improvisational abilities in a very clear, 'second nature' kind of a way.

[DavidFUBB]

this is insanely difficult.

[gitarmats]

@DavidFUBB

This stuff is very tricky when you're trying it for the first time, but once you get used to odd rythm groupings, a whole world of new possibilities opens up! Good luck with it!

[samborac46]

OMG - Jesus is back!

awsome lesson thow!

cheers

[diablo9333]

BEST LESSONS IN THE WORLD!!!!!!

[DanGM123]

This man is a genius. My second favorite guitar player. Guys, please do me a favor and listen to his record: Erotic Cakes, it's one of the best fusion albums you will ever hear.

[oscarsstuff]

@DanGM123 it sounds more like progressive music to me :)

awesome album, hopefully he'll do the next one this year :)

[ibanezbloke]

If you want to make this easy for yourself, learn to clap polyrhythms out, and look up an Indian system called Konekol. Makes these things easier to do.

[ledzepfan02]

@gow32011 everybody has heard of zep there almost everyones inspiration lol

[maxellison55]

Genius!

[gow32011]

hey guthrie have u ever heard of a band called led zeppelin u should check them out

[Justasssu]

@gow32011 You are joking right?

[Kingding6]

Check the Lane instructional vids for this kind of stuff

[MADMIKE888]

2.44 - 2.46 He Lies :O!

[dirtydonki]

Peaches in Regalia!!! Awesome track!

[mrichman]

Hippopotamus (5/4) Hip Hop Anonymous (6/4)

[express49]

The 1st Guy is waiting for u to react and couting ho many posts were dedicated to him , so guys , just ignore !!!

[express49]

Is the metronome the only thing you learnt here ?

[Lipsnx4u]

Nice video !

[Savatage420]

HE NEEDS TO TOUR AMERICA

[cbpk1996]

WTF HE JUST MADE A METRONOME !!

[turnbacktime]

@cbpk1996 whats a metronome?

[Deritooo]

@cbpk1996 LOOP -.-

[turnbacktime]

@cbpk1996 so what...

[Cranio76]

@cbpk1996 No big deal, I use the same technique to keep time with that "fake metronome" during rehearsals... didn't know Guthrie stole my idea before I saw this! (The OTHER things this guy does are - instead - UNBELIEVABLE... one of the best shredders walking on earth, with a beautiful sense for composition and phrasing...)

[BeatBay]

I had Shredders but this guy is so much more than "shredding".. he is awesome!!!

[NeckPickup]

boy, this bearded son of a bitch really has the chops.

[RoathRipper]

@NeckPickup lmao

[esgimasd]

What a great teacher.

[RoathRipper]

Guthrie playing a metronome!!! Is there anything he cannot play?

[LuixmyDarkness]

@RoathRipper Mmmmmm... sound of a cow?

[beano1eye]

@RoathRipper c'mon people haven't you ever laid out your own metronome with a delay pedal, explore FFS

[ztolkanek09]

@RoathRipper Video Games

[Raziel236]

@RoathRipper Im sure hes a millisecond out on the last beat though.

[MrNebelful]

@RoathRipper indian stuff ... HE SAID .. at 2:45 ... but I guess he was joking

[lynchdemartini]

@MrNebelful shawn lane also used that indian counting style

[Graysonsoares]

@MrNebelful - the indian stuff he was talking about is not a joke. Look up zakir hussain u can see how he uses those odd note grouping. All indian classical musicians use this technique. even ravi shankar(most ppl have heard of him). read up on taal and ragas to know more.

[tokojojiji]

wow i actually had to rewind it about 30 times before i could understand what he said at the vid.

[Forgot112]

Fourth!

[27POP27]

1st!

[Sivertsen17]

@27POP27 fuck you.

[Flash447]

@Sivertsen17 jealous?

[Sivertsen17]

@Flash447 no i hate those "first" fuckers

[McHugh3r3]

@27POP27 was that the highlight of your day?