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  • Hi Penn!

    I am eight years old(I am using my mothers account)and I am a very big Penn and Teller fan! I have at the last count 19 P&T posters up in my room! Anyway, I have a question. Do you think I would be able to get hold of a T-shirt/dress with Penn and Teller written on it? My mother doesn't like me drawing on my own clothes, even old ones. And can I get it in the UK? I live in England, not America. Please reply! Love your biggest fan, Sophia Jones xxx

  • good work please check out this vid only 1 min,  please sub yhx

  • I'm not dating any more bad women.

  • so the worst show i ever saw was pink flamingos live onstage

  • Hi Penn fans. Penn Says videos have been discontinued, so you won't be seeing any new content on here. You can check out our Profile on our Channel Page for more info. We'll still be checking in, so hope to keep chatting with you all! Thanks!

  • I'd rather shoot myself than sit through a Bob Dylan show!

  • Penn is right watching bad shows does drag you down as a performer. As a performer you want whoever you are going to see be at least good. When there not you feel bad for that performer but then think "Do I do that badly at times or more often then not? When your not a performer that is hard to understand. You know you don't like a show but it's not for the same reasons as when a performer thinks a show sucks.

  • It's a shame he does not drink or drug; he must simply be mildly cognitively deficient then, as this and other videos are nonsensical.

  • What is your input on HBOs True Blood !!!!!!!!

  • 1:20 probably hits it, age catches up with the mind, as well as the body.

  • I wish he would tell us which shows these were. Id be really curious to know what got him THIS riled up.

  • maybe its not on the level but I get this with bad video games>.> just been playing so long that I can't handle em, makes me sad about the state of gaming,

  • I think one of the 'shitty fuckin' show"(s) he's referring to is "Believe" at the Luxor, starring that cable magic guy Chris Angel. I heard it sucks BIG TIME.

  • I saw that show Saturday -- it was horrible. It was sloppy. It was my first magic show and I had no problem spotting how the tricks were being preformed and to add to it, he was would not stop flirting with girls in the audiance. It was kind of funny at first, but it got really annoying when he wouldn't stop. He seems like a nice guy, but man, it was just awful.

    I saw Penn and Tellers show the next day and that was excellent. I'd gladly sit through it again :)

  • On behalf of top quality PROFESSIONAL MAGICIANS everywhere, I want to offer you our sincerest apologies for "Criss Angel Believe." He isn't the best representation of the art. It seems that the amateur magicians wouldn't know talent if it hit them in the teeth, and the pros who don't speak out against CRAP because they don't have the BALLS. I'm glad you saw P&T, and you enjoyed them. Hopefully they cleansed your pallet for many more GOOD MAGIC shows to come.

  • @VimisiDigitalMedia How did Chris Angel get so popular if he's so bad? (I don't mean that defensively, I'm just curious of your opinion).

  • My opinion doesn't matter because it is what it is. It could be "There's a lid for every pot". - A more indepth guess might be that Criss represents every person with a dream. He's fearless and daring. His message of "Believe it and it will come true" offers the type of hope that people are willing to buy into. Let's face it, we elected a president that way. The timing was just right. Add to that an "Angel" who ascends like Jesus and walks on water, and you just picked the trifecta.

  • @VimisiDigitalMedia All good points. And your opinion does matter. :-)

  • I answered your question, so I feel you owe me one.... Is this actually "Penn" that I'm speaking with?

  • @VimisiDigitalMedia Happy to answer: nope, sorry. Just someone who helps out with the comments.

  • Well you do a good job at keeping the conversation going. ;)

  • @VimisiDigitalMedia Aww, thank you. It works out well that, even if I don't agree with all of Penn's opnions, I do think they're interesting starting points. After all, Penn doesn't even agree with all of his own opinions. :-)

  • Early Adopter means something slightly different. Don't give it a bad name... LOL

  • Penn, you are my favorite celebrity, so much so that you reaffirmed my latent atheism. Do me a favor, watch this video again and tell me if it doesn't make you sound like a whiny little bitch.

    I'm just saying.

  • These bad shows inspired you to make this video.

  • Emminem sucks, other than that you've either got some good acts listed or I haven't heard about them and need to check them out.

    I assume you're talking about musical acts as well. The problem with this is some people no matter how bad they are (see example listed above) no matter how bad they suck, someone might like them, and more importantly they themselves might like what they do. Maybe no one needs to hear it, but it's not for me or you to decide. The masses do that and they lack taste

  • "Emminem [sic] sucks"

    It's cool to hate what's popular, eh?

  • I've never claimed to be "cool". If being "cool" is what is popular, I'd rather be lame and actually have taste in music than be "cool" since most of the populous sucks and wouldn't know good music if it fucked them in the ear.

    I won't say that some of what he writes isn't funny. But in musical form it burns my ears.

  • Being popular should grant immunity to criticism?

  • When I have this problem I watch a movie I really love or read a comic book I really love.

  • PS: Penn on his WORST DAY is better than the majority of the entertainment I've seen in my lifetime. I'm not "blowing smoke up his ass". I don't have "Penn & Teller" posters on my walls. LOL. I'm just saying that time after time, show after show, they deliver the goods. A show should allow us to escape our lives for a little while. Seeing them perform, does exactly that. It also reminds me that I could be a LOT worse off, and inspires me to be a better person with a less serious side.

  • Penn comes across as a smart, honest man. Not just on TV, but in real life. I think one of the shows he's talking about is "Criss Angel BeLIEve". The subliminal "camera shake" (whether he planned it or not) during the sentence at around 0:24 is, what seems to be, a rather blatent HINT. I haven't seen "Criss Angel BeLIEve", but those I know that have seen it haven't had anything GOOD to say about it. In fact, the complete opposite is true. (...and it costs 85 to 100 MILLION to produce! - OOOUCH!)

  • was it fall out boy?

  • lol damn depressing Penn...

  • So you consider your time valuable. This is a crime? Don't apologize for having standards and values. Give 'em hell.

  • bad art is objective, good art is subjective

  • that may be your opinion but i would bet money that music you listen to has direct ties and influences by bob dylan. guarantee

  • you should go see Trans Siberian Orchestra by far the best show i've ever seen literally just amazing show also great for the kids too, though if your epileptic then do not see them cause there is a lot of bright lights and pyrotechnics but if your not then enjoy

  • he should never ever ever put bob dylan and eminem in the same category...eminem hardly makes music worth being called so and bob dylan is a genius as far as music and art

  • I'm surprised that Penn is inspired by a modern day Dylan show. Everyone (even other highly respected artists) says he pretty much phones it in these days. Almost like he's bored or trying to F with the audience.

  • You are so right, especially about Dylan inspiring a manic desire to produce art.

  • I'd put money on it that one of the shows he's talking about was the Cirque/Criss Angel "Believe" at the Luxor in Vegas. Critics have eviscerated this thing. . and a fellow magician making such a huge misstep probably bummed Penn out all the more.

  • Eminem? Are you high?

  • Sounds like he's seen one of his own "Penn & Teller" shows! lol!!

  • P&T shows on always "get the job done" at the VERY least. I have YET see P&T turn out a bad show. Never. In fact, I doubt they are even capable of producing crap. (Idea, Penn? LOL Hmmm.. Producing a clear bowl filled with a steamy, disgusting pile of DUNG from an empty criss angel T-shirt? We can dream, huh?) CA show sux and I heard that from TOP people. I respect their opinions so I believe it. I CHALLENGE P&T TO PRODUCE CRAP!! LOL

  • Bad shows are BULLSHIT!

  • But Bullshit isn't a bad show.

  • The show is great.

  • Damn those right wingers and their desire to legalize pot!

    Actually, Penn quite obviously leans more toward libertarianism.

    As for Bullshit, most episodes deal with issues that are not the least bit political. Stuff like psychics, alternative medicine, and aliens are most often the focus of the series.

  • yes because right wingers want to legalize prostitution and pot

    and theyre anti christian LOL

    riiiigghhhtttt

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  • Penn........watch the sketch "dinner for one".....the colored version part1 &2 starring freddie frinton....it will put a smile on your face.

  • Even the original black and white version is funny.

  • In Russia, bad shows see YOU! (Sorry, couldn't resist...)

    Penn, what kind of "shows" were these? I'm assuming these were other illusionist acts, by the fact that you compare them to your own show... ? The term "shows" is very generic and could refer to concerts, plays, musicals, etc.

    Also, I thought I saw you at a concert last month. If that was you at the concert, then you're right - that concert was atrocious.

    I love the ending - "Don't invite me to a shitty fuckin' show." Excellent!

  • I watched this entire goddamnm clip so that I could find out what the two shows were. *SPOILER* He doesn't effing say what they are... Thanks, guy.

  • I've seen films that sucked the life out of me.

  • WTF is a "show?" At least say it was a concert or a musical or a play or a comedy routine or a magic act or something. "Show" is such a non-specific term.

  • I really hate watching a show that, as a collective whole, the audience believes is bad. Makes me feel embarassed for him.

  • I wonder what show could have done this to a man. What could be so awful to drain everything this guy loves about show business out of him.

  • Im wondering the same thing, hes very passionate about it so it must have been pretty damn horrible

  • ...and you feel important enough to post a comment whilst deluded enough to think anyone actually gives a shit.

    "if you don't like something, don't see it" How does someone truly know if they like something if they don't actually see it?

    So, now that you've seen this, take your own advice.

  • well, puppet, let's see.. the comments aren't switched off, so.. everyone is free to comment. And if this big fat oaf (who used to be funny before appointing himself the arbiter of 'bullshit') doesn't want to see bad shows anymore.. who the hell is forcing him?

    So now that you've seen this.. eat a dick.

  • ..and again, no one really gives a shit about what you think. You are correct, everyone is free to comment. You're also free to not comment and move the fuck on.

    How does one know a show is bad unless they actually see it you douche?

    FAIL!

  • puppetdesign "no one really gives a shit about what you think."

    except you apparently! You keep answering back.

    ***EPIC FAIL!***

    But you're free to show your lack of character and confidence. I'm free to move on? yeah, but I don't feel like it now.

  • That's correct. No one cares what you think.

    Glad to see you agree.

    Moron

  • puppetdesign, thanks for caring about what I think. otherwise, you'd have caught on and not answered back..

    again to quote you, "no one really gives a shit about what you think."

    except you. I apparently have you wrapped around my finger.

  • ...and on a final note. Hardly.

    Time to get a clue.

  • puppetdesign (puppet.. how appropriate) thanks for proving me correct again and again and again.

  • Thank You For Posting; Penn Jillette is talented, inspiring to watch, listen to, especially via these bits on YouTube, even when Penn Jillette is wrong, there is always something to learn, and cross-reference, BUT! Bob Dylan doesn't have any talent, his lyrics are plagiarized, he's un-intelligent, and Bob Dylan's only inspiration is what not to do.

    Cheers!

    Valkyrie Ziege Mourne

  • You must have seen Nicleback

  • Pen says that he doesn't want to watch bad shows and there are comments about how he has some kind of cult agenda, or is hypercritical, or is trying to be godlike. Jeez, What is wrong with you people? The ever present "gasp, he's FAT!" from the braindead, shallow, troglodytes and teenyboppers is one thing but what is with the conspiracy stuff?

  • (Grabs a rotten tomato and prepares to pitch it)

  • Idiot tells his faithful sheep not to see "bad shows" but then reviews shows and recommends what his faithful sheep should see. Fat solipsistic moron.

  • The first time I physically walked out of a bad show was impowering and I think nothing of doing it now, also I think half the medeocre shows I've been to I have more a memory of the drive down there than the actual performance.

  • Yeah, Penn is such a militant atheist, but will never attack Judiasm.  He is a dancing monkey for his Zionist secular Jewish master Sumner Redstone.

  • Bullshit!

    How the fuck are you going to determine that the show sucks if you don't go and see it yourself to confirm what you're told?

    It's sounds as through are you starting an Art Religion, at least for yourself, were by specially selected hierarchical bodies determine in advance those performance worthy of your attention?

    I knew you were a believer in some shit. lol

  • I wish I had the time, money, invites, or connections, to see even a bad show....

    ...it's tough down here in the trenches, there's only enough time and money to jerkoff to some free internet porn than it's back to work.....

    ...lol

  • Incidentally enough, one of the most uninspiring shows I saw was Bob Dylan in Chicago in 2006. He's not a performer anymore. I was displeased.

  • Also I have a universal perspective on reality and the "Universe" so personally I realize that this is all just a ride.

    The fact that people think they can be bad people makes them bad people..

    The fact that people think violence is the only way to stop violence is why there is violence.

    The fact that people think there is a psychotic God in the sky is Why people do psychotic things in the name of God. Yes this is true, Tribal days, Thunder, Death, Floods, Starvation = Angry God...

  • To IloveJesusYesIdO:

    The fact that fat people only stare at a tread mills is why there are fat people.

    The fact that civilians live within range of terrorists is why they get bombed and die.

    The fact that John Edward says he gets messages from dead aunt Bertha is why people think uncle Charlie wants to come back and only describe himself with initials.

    The fact that I'm typing this is because YOUR A MISGUIDED BRAINWASHED VICTIM that doubts anything else beyond what you've been told.

  • Except my list is true, and yours is hateful garbage...

    John Edwards fools people because of something in people... If the same people were lied to by a sock puppet they wouldn't believe it...

  • My outlook is only grim to those who see no one ever changing things for the better.

    Which seems to be the way a lot of people think. Ignore it and sit in front of a hypnotic box or do alcohol, Ritalin, or Prozac and forget it until you die your miserable death. That is what is grim, and it is reality unless we change it.

    And if even the best among us, like Penn, ignore these realities, I will end up being right sadly, and once again millions will die, for they did in Iraq, obviously.

  • A real magician will always get pissed at a Criss Angel show. Both him and Blaine have made a career doin standard magic tricks but streching them out to mutiple hour affairs. A Penn show will have at least 10 tricks an hour, you would be luck to see three or four in a 2 hour Angel or Blaine show. The real reason he is pissed is that all the tricks in belive can be found in most beginers magic books minus all the lighting and mood music.

  • I'm right there with ya, Penn. It takes a lot more to get me to go to a show these days--whether it's a movie, a concert, whatever.

    Seems like Believe is really just getting panned by everyone. Can't say I really feel bad for Criss either.

  • Not very open minded(Bit narrow minded).

  • Bit narrow minded? "FUCK YOU and your show" is being narrow minded. But "I don't like shitty shows because they suck the life out of me, so don't invite me to a shitty fucking show" isn't narrow minded. Penn has given people a "benifit-of-the-doubt respect" more times than not. I think you need to earn his disrespect in the same way you earn his respect.

  • Dont put the man on a pedestal and call him god hes only a man.

  • Who called him GOD? Get your head out of your ass and read the words I wrote as they were written with the intent by which they were meant, rather than the words you WISH I wrote with your own intent.

    A bad show for any price is still a bad show. Don't be fooled by discounts.

    Personally, I arrived at the decision to NOT SEE shitty fuckin' shows before Penn did, which is why I wasn't rubbing elbows with him at the premiere of one of the shows he's talking about.

  • The Dylan quote said it all for me, going far beyond the subject of shows. If we envision "all the world's a stage"

    mankind should be shaken off the earth, as suggested by George Carlin in one of his '80's shows.

  • If you only see the shows YOU like, you will miss half the world

  • Hey people... Penn does these for Sony. Even if he did mention the show, Sony would bleep it out. Why? Because they don't want to be sued. Instead Penn relies on his fans to say it for him. The clue was at the very beginning...

    It's Criss Angels 'Believe' show!!

  • Nice catch.

  • Cirque du Soleil has always been shit in my mind. Especially the Vegas shows.

    That being said, your magic show is MUCH MUCH MUCH better. Look, I live in Vegas, and there's only been two shows I've wanted to see here. TWO. One was Avenue Q and the other one is yours, and I sure as hell hope your show isn't gone when I have $85 to burn on a night.

  • id be happy if i had the money to waste going to shitty shows :) shitty seats at shitty shows is still a good time. guess it like all other things is what you make of it.

  • This is applicable to many more situations.

    There's bad movies, bad TV series, bad designs, bad descisions, ect.

    I've seen all of these, and I get the same feeling of having the life sucked away.

    Of course, there's hope; there's still good stuff out there.

  • I think Penn uses this as more of a public diary than a podium. As for mentioning the show's name, there is a possibility that given Penn's audience, there is a possibility that it will lose money, although if it's really that bad, it probably deserves it, so I digress. The magic show, of course, is good in the same way a good song or movie is.

  • Yeah well, Penn can keep talking away while the New World Order slaves are marched into the ovens whatever form they end up taking. He can keep being a pussy even to the most ridiculous extent. Have fun with that fear..

    Wake up people.

  • I'm guessing you played "what do the bottles under the sink taste like?" as a child.

  • Wow dude, you have a real grim outlook don't you?

  • This will probably get mixed in with the melee of other responses but I just want to say .. I think you're very fortunate, Penn, to have strong inspirations and to actually be able to follow them. And if I may suggest. Theres a cello rock band called Rasputina that I'm a huge fan of. I heard they inspire lots of people to learn to play the cello, including myself, at age 25. I guess thats true art. If you're a fan of weird historical facts and victorian tastes, then you might be inspired too. ;)

  • Bob Dylan indeed there is no other. I am an avid fan of his work. A genius with words.

    Yes it hurts to watch a bad show. Life is too short.

  • hey jugger9977. shut the fuck up!!!!

  • I'm horribly offended (the show Penn is talking about is one I created called "Abortions on Ice: A figure skating fantasy in the womb".

  • Penn turns out to be a pretty existential guy

  • But you have to take risks to know what's "good". Anyone can have a shitty show, I guess you mean that you are only going to see "headliners" perform?

    Don't get it.

  • You don't 'have" to do anything. He was invited. He went. He saw. He wasted his time and it made him lose respect for his art. That was NOT what was advertised. He thought, based on the hype, he would see a good show. He didn't, and was so turned-off by what he saw that he re-evaluated his own show. NO show should make you doubt yourself like that, and he saw 2 of them! That sucks as bad as seeing a show that sucks. Poison is contagious. He's saying "No more poison!"

  • I'm like this with movies, especially now that they are so expensive.

  • And bad books.

  • Yeah, huge budgets, huge salaries to stars paid for by me and you at $8 plus per tickets had better equal tow hours of absolute gold. But alas, not true.

  • Agreed

  • Criss Angel Believe?

  • Exactly what I was thinking man. Heard it was crapped on by even big fans of his.

  • Well, bad shows obviously don't suck ALL the inspiration out of you. Bad shows inspired you to make this video. Maybe not the type of inspiration you want, but inspiration nonetheless.

  • Haha. Good point.

  • I saw Bob Dylan in Kilkenny a couple of years ago. His voice was so bad I couldn't recognise some of the songs. He sounded like he had larangitis or something.

  • Celine Dion. Who's willing to take my bet?

  • How do you know if a show is going to be bad unless you go to see it? If it is a bad show then don't go again.

  • Life is short my man. We only have the one and I wouldnt want to waste my time on something I haven't reviewed or heard from some one I trust. But for shit sake don't stop your shows over the Idea of you and Teller sucking. You guys have something that most people dont have. A real act. Just take your time and learn about something before you go see something.

  • I wouldn't worry Penn, I saw your show and it is truly amazing. As a matter of fact, seeing Penn & Teller was the first thing I thought about when I heard I was going to Vegas last Christmas.

  • Oh how clever. Grab everybody's attention by complaining about something and then don't reveal what it is. Brave too. Pussy.

  • heck, you might just have been refering to some real boners out there, right now.

    Well, good luck with waiting.

    Consider this, Stravinski waqs booed out of his performance of Rite of Spring.

    Or how about hallowell (sp?) panned Blazing Saddles. A LOT of critics did. screw them they were wrong. But, go figure, eh? You can see a show early, if it's great YOU'RE UP! maybe it won't fly. Maybe it'll flop third week into a winning run! Funny Bones, J.Lewis,L.Evans,O.Platt.Great movie.has answer.

  • I heard that not only was he booed, but that people started arguing over it, which eventually ended in a riot.

  • Penn is obviously talking about another magician, illusionist or comic since he seems to compare this shitty show he saw with his own a few times here. He says "him" and "this person" so it's a singular act.  Las Vegas is full of hacks and "has beens" believe me.

  • Stop asking Bob Dylan to suck the inspiration out of you and fill you with joy!!! ENOUGH WITH THE SEXUAL INNUENDO!!!!

    ps I saw you in Vegas once and you tried to mug me n the doorway. Psycho. why can't you let people leave in peace without that awkward "should I talk to him thing"?

  • crazyyyyyyyy

  • I'm the same way now with movies. I've been trying to only see the best movies that are out there, old and new.

  • I wish you could tell us what you saw Penn. I really want to know now.

  • I feel the same way about 21 Century music and movies. Makes me lose hope.

  • So you don't want to see bad shows, well who does? People have different tastes and might like something that you think is shitty. There are also people who might just be getting their career on their feet and aren't as practiced as they should be, but that shitty show IS their practice. Think of your first, second or third act and picture yourself now making a video about it saying that it sucked the life out of you. What an ass hole... Just my opinion.

  • You might have a point, or it might be a channel where Penn gives his opinion. In this case, we know there are shitty shows, and that people go to them and think they are shitty. Why can't Penn go to one of these and have an opinion about them without being an asshole. If u go to a strip joint with ugly strippers, u tell ur friends, "I cant go there anymore, they are bad strippers" or whatever. Does that make u an asshole? Maybe Im an asshole too

  • I'm not saying that him saying that he's going to tell his friends not to go to certain shows because they are bad makes him an asshole I'm saying not going to new shows and waiting till your friends tell you that it's good before you go isn't the right way of going about it.

  • but then there are shitty shows done by talentless hacks - and you wonder why somebody hired them. Penn's point is valid = Nobody should set foot on a stage without what they're doing being the absolute best it can be. Now granted, some people are absolutely clueless as to how bad they really are.

  • What show! Damn, don't rant about something if you aren't even going to tell us what you are ACTUALLY talking about.

  • The worst part of it is, I invited him to watch my new movie attacking the intelligent design movement. I almost wish he would name the show, so I'd know whether or not he was talking about me.

  • when i think of "shows" i think of movies ("film" if you're an elitist :). i've seen some inspiring movies in my time, but i was embarassed to be inspired by them. it's only now that i've become older that i recognize film as a valid art form. that's not to say all film. some movies suck and cause me to feel as though i just wasted 2 hours of my precious life. but then there's road warrior or heat or the insider & it's such a relief

  • No shitty shows. Penn is a busy motherfucker. He doesn't have time for your shitty shows!

  • haha. i love how cranky you get at the end. "don't invite me to a shitty fucking show."

    you're so great.

  • Hey Penn , theres this show , its awesome , care to go ? lol j/k , i dont blame ya , who wants to sit in a pile of shit and suffer for an hour or two ?!

  • Penn, I think that's the greatness about art itself, and "shows" in particular. The "bad shit" MAKES the "good stuff" good and then the "great stuff" great. Without the "shit", I don't think we'd notice just how great certain things are, like your show. Maybe I'm talking in retard, but I'm trying here. It's like the shoe maker who makes bad shoes, we put 'em on, wear 'em and then judge them based off our past experiences. Without these bad shoes, we'd have less or no respect for the good ones.

  • I do not think I could go to a bad show in vegas without being mad..lol The cost :) I know of several bad tv shows that I gave a chance this season but only once and then never more.

  • So, to what kind of show are you referring? A music concert (show)? A Broadway-type show/musical? A TV show? Improv?

    You have to be a little more specific.

    I'll agree that the concert experience these days can be pretty disappointing. The last Broadway show I saw was Rent(ugh). Or, perhaps, were yo just referring to a specific artist/performer? I've seen a few bad "everythings", also! ;)

  • It is kind of you not to name the shows to spare some feelings. It is unkind of you not to name the shows to save a few people from wasting their time. I'm split.

  • What is kinder: to believe the best of people and burden them with

    nobility beyond their endurance or to see them as they are and accept

    it because it makes them comfortable?

  • If I were to be able to go to any show, it would be yours, Penn. (after Weird Al though, love him)

  • mr penn: bad things (shows or anything else) can inspire to create the oppoite effect.

    the bad does some good sometimes.

    for example: i would not care about gay people as much as i do if it wasnt for matt sheppard hate crime.

    happy new years

  • what kind of shows?

    there isnt any good music nowadays and that equals bad concerts

  • You're an old person, right? Above the age of 35? Or just old at heart. Every generation says that! From the 60's to today. "This is the worst generation." "Today's music sucks." "Tv shows are awful now." And you couldn't be farther from the truth. The truth is, you're old now and you liked the time when you were young. Things felt they were so much better, but they really weren't. You were just young.

  • Actually I am 17 and the music I listen to is rap or hip hop. I went to a Wu-tang concert and they are a old hip hop group that is still around but their opening acts were horrible and it seemed like a waste of my time the Wu-tang was great but its really hard to find good music.

  • Oh, well sorry. I'm just so tired of hearing old people talking about how music sucks today when back when they were young, the music was so much better! The rock scene is amazing today. I don't know that much about rap though. What about T.I. and Ludacris? They're hot now. Eminem and 50 are coming out with a new cd this year. It seems like there's more variety than there was before so finding good music is hard to do.

  • Its ok...Naw thats the crap im talking about the mainstream stuff and many ppl try to imitate them...you have to look on the internet for underrated rappers

  • Have you ever heard of Mac Dre, or Andre Nickatina? They're bay area rap, and I really dig their sound. Nickatina not so much these days but he was amazing from '93-'05.

  • that's insanity..Rock has nosedived since the mid to early 00's, it's all BS with a few decent bands here and there. The best stuff seems to be the indie stuff nowadays, which is very hard to find half the time or hear about. That's really the problem, finding the good stuff. To me, the 90's and up until the mid 00's, I thought was a golden era of Rock/Alt/Metal...it's all rehashed garbage now, and most stations in most major cities play more music from that time period more then anything else

  • Doing something that's "enough better" is exactly what it is. Well phrased.

    I act, and a lot of the shows I do are in community theatres, and sometimes? Man- sometimes it just does. not. work. I'm generally pretty good at knowing what will fly and what won't so I don't audition for things I sense are doomed, but I still see them all. And that painfulness of a bad show? It's amplified so greatly when you're watching something horrible and it's filled with people you enjoy as people. God. Awful.

  • I agree it is very hard to watch someone you care abotu in something bad because you know and believe in their potential so much.

  • He must be talking about that chest waxing reject from 80's glam rock,"Curt Angel"!That show mind freak is shite!I watched about five minutes once,and gave up when I saw the wires holding him up!Penn's not the only one who got depressed by it!!!!

  • The older I get, and the fewer hours are left to me on this Earth, the less time I want to waste. Watching bad shows wastes the little time I have left.

  • most shows are pretty bad

  • That sucks that you feel so strongly about this and I think you should reconsider. Finding someone really talented often means going through a dumpster. Sometimes you strike gold, other times you strike mud. And I know you don't know me or trust my tastes, but for a good show I recommend Phil Keaggy. he's on tour.

  • I would agree that you shouldn't waste your time on bad shows. How do you know their bad until you've sat down to see them though? Friends could be wrong. You might miss something you'd have liked. I understand how they can suck the motivation right out of you.

  • good video

  • now I'm terribly curious as to the shows in reference.

  • With you all the way Penn. Trouble is, you don't always know about a show, concert or movie if it will be good or bad. So how are you going to avoid them?

  • Penn says he's going only on recommendations from freinds taste you trust.

  • Funny that he mentions Bob Dylan, I've had "Idiot Wind" in my head all day.

  • What is the purpose of art? What should an artist strive for? Is there a difference between entertainment and art?

  • I think I know exactly which show Penn is talking about. I saw a magic show last week in Vegas that almost made me fall asleep. It was supposed to be "extreme"...it was extremely BORING!

  • Good art usually has an element of entertainment value to it. But, the purpose of art is that it has no purpose, other than to express yourself or get an emotional or intellectual response from the audience. I never liked the hair splitting between entertainment and "art." Art is everywhere. Cooking is an art. Speaking is an art. Put it on a stage and it becomes "professional" art.