Protect Marriage

[cmdrkoenig67]

The late Coretta Scott King believed her husband Martin Luther King Jr would support gay rights and she herself was a supporter of gay rights up until her death. Even one of MLK's most trusted advisers, Bayard Rustin was a gay man who fought for black rights, helped MLK Jr on the Mongomery Bus Boycott and organized the march on Washington, D.C. in '63 for jobs and freedom (where MLK Jr gave his "I have a Dream" speech).

[wonderfulkeithfloyd]

Hear-hear! Brought a tear to my eye. Good luck America.

[wetdream09]

@winkingdaruma

the scary part is that it's not clear to the ignorant people out there.

They Truly see it as a man wanting to be with a goat, no different at ALL.

Shocking that humanity in the 21st century could be so idiotic.

[shadowstar2012]

@shadowstar2012 Sorry, I didn't watch the video all the way through. I guess you should look before you leap...

[CheezInspector]

Also, why the Hell is everyone so concerned about consenting adults forming marriage bonds? How is it affecting you that two adults of any "stripe" are marrying each other? Really, I've never heard a logical answer to these questions. ... Stop being so nosy and controlling about others' love lives. It has nothing to do with you or your life. You are just not that important.

[Creationcreed]

@CheezInspector Your right! We should stop telling people it wrong to abuse their child, wrong to steal that car, to murder the innocent inside the womb, to marry whoever they as long as they love each other(incest, homosexuality, etc), Oh, and also stop telling ppl who are against same-sex marriage that their wrong, because that's none of your business neither. Lets just let people do WHATEVER!(making a point) It is everyones business in reality.

[CheezInspector]

@Creationcreed, people speak up against abuse and theft because those are obvious, measurable examples of crime against humanity. But how SPECIFICALLY does homosexual love between two consenting adults harm you as a heterosexual citizen (assuming you are hetero, that is)? ... And I never said or implied it's none of your business to have an opinion. What I think is none of your business is the regulation of said adult lifestyles in any form.

[Creationcreed]

@CheezInspector You know what else is obvious, Heterosexual Relationships are until they are perverted and exchange for the unnatural. Crimes are not merely against humanity, but against God. Are you saying open homosexuality isn't going to effect our kids or your kids? The goal is to recognized, then to be more open about it in public: streets, tv, school, and in Churches. It more about the consequence down the line.

[Creationcreed]

@CheezInspector By what standard r you going by to determine what is right and wrong? Even why my position is wrong?

[CheezInspector]

@Creationcreed, what evidence do you have for your claim - not mine - that homosexuality is "perverted" or "unnatural"? How do you feel homosexuality will NEGATIVELY affect kids, since you seem to believe that is so? So far you and others have offered absolutely no objective evidence to back your claim that homosexuality is damaging. Cite a few facts (academic studies, for example) that back your claim, or all it's just one big empty claim LOL

[Creationcreed]

@CheezInspector God's law is the standard, and according to Him it is a violation of it. There may not be an earthly consequence of homosexual sin, but Hell will be the end result. The consequence on earth is that they will continue in their wicked lifestyle, and justify it before man. God will turn them over to it, and end up in eternal hell forever. I don't want them to go there for all eternity. This is my reason for going against it. Like I ask before, by what standard r you going by?

[Creationcreed]

@CheezInspector "Negatively affect kids," well, it will descensatize them to accept a sinful lifestyle that is against God. Kid watch television, talk to friends that could possibly influence my kids and others to accept something that is against God. If that is what God is against, then I have the right to stand against it.

[Creationcreed]

@CheezInspector Again, by what standard are you judging what is right and wrong? If you can't answer that, then I am arguing with a wall.

[CheezInspector]

@Creationcreed, I've already stated my standard: when someone makes a claim/s against a group's behavior (i.e.: gay marriage is a bad influence on society, etc.), it's reasonable that objective evidence be presented to validate such a sweeping, negative claim. You have taken an anti-gay marriage stance, as have some others. So far none of you have stepped forth to offer a shred of objective evidence to back said claims. If you have no evidence, fine. I'll wait for someone else to present it.

[Creationcreed]

@CheezInspectorThere no reason to support something that sends one to Hell. I know you don't Believe in it, but that is my reason. Hate it or love it.

[CheezInspector]

@Creationcreed, where is your evidence for your claim that gay marriage will send someone to Hell? 

[CheezInspector]

@Creationcreed, also, you've claimed that gay marriage is a bad influence on society. Where is your objective evidence (sociological studies, for example), to back your claim?

[Creationcreed]

@CheezInspector IF you don't believe the Bible or what it says, it would be a waste of time to tell you a scriptural text that is against that lifestyle...all you have to say is "the bible is full of lies!" or "It's full of moral flaws!" or something of that nature.

[CheezInspector]

@Creationcreed, the Bible, and all other religious texts, aren't really useful when presenting statements/arguments dealing with legality (like gay marriage). Religious texts are strictly faith-based (not based on reason) and can be interpreted in an infinite number of ways. There is a paucity of evidence for most major claims made in these books and anyone can point to a religious text to claim it backs some argument they have. That nullifies it as being any sort of solid tool of objectivity.

[Creationcreed]

@CheezInspector What is a solid tool of objectivity?...You just don't see the consequences as bad in your view, but most Christians do. I believe Christians will be forced to stop speaking their mind about issues like homosexuality, because it will be viewed as hate, when its not. Government will later silence the Christian faith. I don't believe same sex marriage willl destroy the Biblical Definition: marriage will always be male/Female no matter what the Govnment legislates.

[CheezInspector]

@Creationcreed, in what way, specifically, do you think Christians' will be legally "forced" into censorship if gay marriage is sanctioned by the law? Please set up at least one clear, strong, specific hypothetical example. Thanks.

[Creationcreed]

@CheezInspector If you want an answer that has to do with societal consequences, I guess this is the appropriate video, watch?v=A-jc4ujp9Ok&feature=re­lated. It's one of the I am in somewhat agreement with.

[CheezInspector]

@Creationcreed, watched the video you referred to and don't see any * possible * consequences they listed as being bad. Please state at least one thing listed in that video that you agree is harmful to hetero marriage so I understand your thinking. Thanks. And I sincerely appreciate your willingness to provide the link, and (hopefully) your willingness to now discuss the specifics.

[Creationcreed]

@CheezInspector What is a solid tool of objective morality? What standard are you using?

[CheezInspector]

@Creationcreed, you added the word "morality" to your question about my standards of objectivity test. That's not what I was addressing. Rereading my statement you'll notice I'm simply concerned with legislation that is justified by objective evidence, not simple faith statements. That means when someone presents a LEGAL argument that attempts to deny a group from access to a public service, the onus is on that party to justify their argument w/objective, factual data.

[evaluator1000]

BLACK WOMEN FOR BLACK MEN!

I have my own experience with my parents. Interracial couples don't last long. This can't fit, white men enslaved, killed, raped and murdered all kinds of people in the world. The beauty of the black race will be destroyed by those ugly white honkeys soon, if Blacks don't WAKE UP!

[artyfarty2]

Stop divorce now! bring an end to marriage. LOL

[JoeBible]

"tolerant" ...  sorry for the typo.

[JoeBible]

WOW. You really had me at first. I wanted to smack you all. Great video. This country desperately needs you, our vibrant, intelligent youth, to DEMAND a better, more tolerate society.

Without trying to sound condescending, I'm very proud of you.

[1BustedMyth]

Great video!, I was just about to fly off the handle, then started to smell something was up!, very thought provoking.

I want the right to marry who ever i want!

[DavidLynch007]

There is nothing wrong with interracial marriage. That's not the same thing as two people of the same gender... How dare you compare the two, as if they are the same?

Race and behavior are completely different. Not the same at all.

[neilswann80]

The point was... "interracial marriage" used to be seen as a bad thing, something that would ruin/devalue the institution of marriage, how the concept of gay marriage is viewed today.

[DavidLynch007]

Well, the difference is that race is not conduct. Interracial marriage should have never been a problem, as long as those couples still meet the male/female requirement.

Yes, same-sex marriage does ruin the value of marriage. Two people of the same gender is not the same as a straight interracial couple.

[neilswann80]

"Yes, same-sex marriage does ruin the value of marriage."

Why?

Surely the option of divorce is worse?

[Dwaithy]

We are all humans. You however, sound like an unevolved Ape.

Humans are humans. Just because we have two genders, doesn't change anything.

[Hellbane224]

Ah, more closed minded ignoramuses...they wonder why their lives hold no meaning, and why people seem so much smarter than them. It's quite simple really. "Minds are like parachutes - they only function when open."

[ceafexftw]

Homosexuals are such hypocrites... All of these people who want to get married are open athiests for a kick off.. On top of that, it's our religion it clearly states a man cannot be with a man and a woman can't be with a woman. So why should we allow you to be married? You know what i would love? Go ask the muslims if you can go get married in a Mosque i dare you.

[kwaal]

i dont think they want to be married in YOUR church. they just want the right to be married. here in canada we have gay marriage, and i dont think the christian right here even notices.

[cwood4ever]

If you allow gay marriage it will be the end of America.

[kassiedill2]

these are some of the most annoying human beings on earth i am so embarressed for them... and ur acting sucks!

[KoopaKidFan]

I don't know why we are told to give up!

Women DIDN'T give up until they got their rights.

Martin Luther King Jr. and his followers never give up either.

So WHY should we give up???

[TorontoCanuck1978]

In nature there are Asexual being and homosexual acts when no mate is around, some animals even have the ability to change their sex naturally.

The institution of marriage has been cheapened quite alot without gay mariage for a long time (See Anna Nicole Smiths first husband)...when i say get with it i mean there are way more things to worry about that who has a fucking ring on their finger. The "institution" of marriage is dead, all us straight people with our repeated marriages killed it.

[DelalovesDarlina]

How can you consider gay marriage natural. If you throw out religion and believe in simply nature, where in nature are there gay animals?

The fact of the matter is I am not a gay hater/ basher. I just dont think that you shoud cheapen the institution of marriage by broadening the definition.

"get with it" so i'm guessing you assume whatever is common is just or right.

[ginapink301]

Gay marriage isn't natural for a strait couple. For Gay couples it is. It should be legal. It affects your like in NO way. People should let people live how they want

[DelalovesDarlina]

Just the act of being gay is unnatural, not to mention the physical that goes on. I understand that gay people have no choice in the matter and it is merely how they were created. I am in no way banning being gay. I think that they're couples should be given the same benefits of married couples but I dont consider two guys or two girls a marriage and in my opinion if you desecrate marriage for gays, why cant you do it for polygamist and pedophiles?

[Atheistjeremy]

"Just the act of being gay is unnatural" Unnatural? How do you explain that it happens? How do you explain the fact that homosexuality happens throughout nature?

There are many PRACTICAL purposes for not allowing polygamy, such as for tax purposes.

Homosexuality has nothing to do with pedophilia. There are heterosexual pedophiles.

You're a bigot.

[Atheistjeremy]

"where in nature are there gay animals?" Homosexuality occurs throughout nature. Do your own research. Get an education.

[DelalovesDarlina]

I restate that homosexuality is unnatural, the fact that it happens in other species doesn't change that fact. Try getting an education instead of mimicking the ideals of ignorant people.

Really how is polygamy not practical if you want to try to distance it from gay marriage?

Bigot, wow good job with that one idiot, i'm sure you think that won the argument, lol

[Atheistjeremy]

"I restate that homosexuality is unnatural, the fact that it happens in other species doesn't change that fact."

LOL, so do think animals sit around and decide that they want to be "unnatural" and try something "against the norm?"

Polygamy is impractical for tax purposes, mainly. I'm sure there are some other reasons as well. I wouldn't say that polygamy is immoral. Polygamy has nothing to do with homosexuality.

[DelalovesDarlina]

You don't seem to understand common logic. There are a male and female of any sexually reproducing species, they are meant to be with each other, not two males or two females. Any deviation whether it be a born disorder or one acquired, is still not normal.

Polygamy is used in this reference because it is merely the next step on the list of things to broaden the definition of marriage.

[Atheistjeremy]

No, YOU don't understand CIVIL RIGHTS. One would think that simpletons such as yourself would have learned your lesson from history, such as the Civil Rights Movement. You are not free to trample upon the rights of anyone, even if you don't agree with something as trivial as their sexual orientation. It's none of your business what the orientation of a couple is nor is it the government's business. It's time to focus on more important matters.

[DelalovesDarlina]

First off you're an idiot.  What you don't seem to understand is that though unnatural I think its fine for gays to have civil unions (key word civil, also seen in civil rights). It isn't a civil right though to broaden the definition of Marriage to include them as well.

You know what the funniest thing is about this? You probably don't even know a single gay person, while i'm friends with many. Weird how its only you sheltered liberals fighting for this.

[Atheistjeremy]

It's doesn't matter that you think it's unnatural. It's a free country.

We now look back on our history in shame at the bigots who denied women equal rights. The same is true with blacks. One day, your class of bigots will also be a relic of our shameful past as well.

[DelalovesDarlina]

Thats the difference between a liberal and a conservative, no matter what the US does, liberals will always be ashamed of it and always take the "other guys" side.

"its a free country"...... Did your dumbass really say that? hahaha

Bigots, lol. Racist, sexist, fundamentalist, etc. You fascist try to put so many names on anybody that doesn't believe as you do.

How about a little tolerance... oh wait never mind you liberals aren't capable of that.

haha

[Atheistjeremy]

But it turns out that I'm right. The civilized world looks upon the women's rights era as a time of shame (or a time of progress, depending on how you look at it). The Bible thumpers stood in the way of the abolition of slavery, but they were eventually defeated.

Progress continues in the gay rights movement.

I wonder what's the next "cause" you theists will adopt? How will you stand in the way of intellectual and moral progress?

[DelalovesDarlina]

First off I don't know who is ashamed of something they had no part in. And it turned out that the womens/ civil rights won, that isn't the same as it being right, do you really think our current society will lead to success, which was brought about by the youth/ feminist/ civil rights movements of the 60's?

Bible thumpers? Wasn't MLK jr. Christian?

LOL

[Atheistjeremy]

"First off I don't know who is ashamed of something they had no part in." You're taking part in bigotry as we speak. You want to trample on the equal rights of gays and convince other to do the same.

"And it turned out that the womens/ civil rights won, that isn't the same as it being right" What do you mean?

MLK was a Xian? Yeah. He also had many secular friends and was often criticized for it. The civil rights movement was supported mainly by secularists.

[DelalovesDarlina]

Well Id like to point out that you are being a bigot to anyone with Christian/ religious beliefs.

Look at the number of single mothers, overflowing prisons, out of control welfare and legalized discrimination in our society, that is what I mean.

Id like to see a statistic backing up that civil rights was mostly by secularists (examples MLK and Malcolm X, a Christian and a Muslim, both men of faith).

[Atheistjeremy]

"Well Id like to point out that you are being a bigot to anyone with Christian/ religious beliefs." We were discussing gay marriage.

I don't agree with Lev. 20:13, for example, and that doesn't make me a bigot. You are in no position to make such accusations.

Legalized discrimination? Like the banning of gay marriage?

The best way to learn about the persons involved in the Civil Rights Movement would be to read a fucking book. And I don't mean the bible.

[DelalovesDarlina]

Progressives is what they call you modern fascists who will fight to break down every tradition that has brought about civilization. And you speak of "moral progress" for a liberal who denies the notion of right and wrong, you must be pretty stupid to use the term "moral."

Yea let me guess what the next cause is, maybe the right to practice religion (Christianity) openly. Tell me, what is the next fight you'll pick for those you claim to be victims, yet have never even met.

[Atheistjeremy]

Laws are not founded on tradition. You really need to get an education.

"a liberal who denies the notion of right and wrong" I never made any such claim. Nice strawman.

"let me guess what the next cause is, maybe the right to practice religion (Christianity) openly"

The 1st Amendment protects religious freedom.

[DelalovesDarlina]

Laws and traditions come about in exactly the same way, through trial an error. Humanity has throughout thousands of years of the development of civilization, discovered what worked and what lead to success in life.

You don't need to make the claim, its already been made non verbally in your argument.

The right to free speech is also in the constitution but you liberals are doing a good job of fighting against that.

You chant "free speech" as long as they don't disagree with you, fascist.

[TorontoCanuck1978]

Now how is it so different?

Both peoples have had mass stereotypes used against them maliciously by people who are not even effected by the outcome of what they are trying to achieve

Saying no to gay marriage as unnatural is the same thing as puting a sin above a water fountain saying white only

If i'morrect there used to be laws against interracial marriage, there are still laws agianst homosexuality

Get with it people they should have the same rights as they bleed red the same as we all do

[DelalovesDarlina]

Its different because its not in the definition of marriage (one man and one woman).

How are people not affected when you cheapen marriage and set a precedent so that any people or groups of people can be married.

Marriage is tied to religion, religion says being gay is wrong so why would they even bother with an institution that for thousands of years has been between a man and woman?

[DelalovesDarlina]

As someone that is in an interracial relationship, soon to be married, I obviously support interracial relationships, but that is far from the same thing as gay marriage. I'll be voting yes on banning gay marriage if that ever gets to michigan.

[ginapink301]

wow. hahah. You chosed to interracial date gays don't have a choice

[DelalovesDarlina]

two guys isn't marriage. To give them the right means to broaden the definition which sets a precedent for more sexual devients to be married with anything from animals to inanimant objects.

[kwaal]

the south isnt going to rise again, sorry doll.

[DelalovesDarlina]

I'm from about as north as you can get.

[kwaal]

i dont think people should be allowed to marry midgets

[DelalovesDarlina]

So what exactly is your point?

[kwaal]

mostly that you're a terrible person.

[DelalovesDarlina]

How very tolerant of you, lol.

btw fuck off and quit wasting my time, I've had this argument and won a few dozen times so do yourself a favor and give up.

[kwaal]

I'm no less tolerant than you are.

Allowing gay marriage is something that in no way can affect you. You simply don't want it because of either God or the "ick" factor.

It's a good thing people like you arent in the majority here in Canada, because that's EXACTLY what got in the way of interracial marriage for so long.

Just because you've won this argument "a dozen times" doesn't mean anything. What kind of a point is that? That you've argued with a whole lot of people just as retarded?

[DelalovesDarlina]

It affects society for the worst with the breakdown of the traditional famly, so that affects us all. Interracial marriage is one thing, same sex is completely another.

As far as the majority look at how many states voted to ban gay marriage, so I guess the majority in the US agree with me.

Comparing me to those that stood against interracial marriage is as fair as me linking you to the same "progressives" that began the US eugenics movement which gave hitler the idea for the holocaust.

[kwaal]

Give me one shred of evidence that it breaks down families. hahaha, that's ridiculous. And what do you think the "traditional family" is? A few hundred years ago, a marriage was more like a property arrangement than anything else. It often was between one man and several women.

I'm not sure how promoting tolerance is at all compared to the eugenics movement.

At one time, a majority of states were against interracial marriage, too. The KKK used to be disgustingly powerful up there.

[DelalovesDarlina]

Once again how can you state that conservatives aren't the majority, even in Canada?

Yes i've won this argument against ppl just as retarded as you, so i've read this old line before.

In some marriages women were seen as "property" and in some cultures polygamy was common, whats your point?

Traditional marriage 1man 1woman.

How can you say you promote tolerance when anyone that disagrees with you is a racist according to the KKK comment.

Not sure how you link Christianity to racism and jim crow.

[ginapink301]

Well, maybe people think that interracial dating isn't natural. Shall we put a bann on that?

[DelalovesDarlina]

How is marriage between a male and a female in any way not natural?

[BlakeBarbieDoll]

Race and sexual orientation are TWO VERY different issues. It annoys black people (even gay ones) that homosexuals try to piggy back off the laws against blacks. Even an idiot can see the two issues are unrelated.

[winkingdaruma]

Actually, I agree--they are different issues. Racists and homophobes are definitely not one and the same. Surprisingly, though, the arguments each group uses in its discrimination are often very similar. The quotes given in the video, in fact, are taken directly from a racial context in US history.

So you see, the two issues may be very different, but it's not piggy backing to say that we as a nation can learn from the inequalities of the past to help resolve the inequalities of the present.

[kwaal]

it doesnt annoy most of the black people i know. most of them are smart enough to realize the parallels

[DelalovesDarlina]

Oh you know black people, you must be a person of great intelligence and enlightenment.... lol. Try talking to a black guy around during the civil rights movement and try to explain that its the same thing as gay people. They can't hide what skin color they are, its not a lifestyle choice.

Comparing the two is utterly ridiculous.

[wakniss]

@BlakeBarbieDoll

Would you say Martin Luther King Jr., by employing his tactics with non-violence, piggy backed Gandhi's campaign in India against the Brits ? Certainly, the right of Indians to liberty and the civil rights of blacks in the US are two very different issues. And I as a (gay) Indian get very annoyed that MLK piggy backed on our revolution and demeaned it.

Sounds familiar a $ $ wipe ?

GAY RIGHTS ARE CIVIL RIGHTS.

[benarddor]

same sex marriage is a civil right issue and not a religeous issue. it should have never been tried in public. civil right issues must always stay in court.

[benarddor]

hate and bigotry disquised as religious truth. enjoy it now, because will be eventually overturned and everyone will have the same rights as were meant to under the constitution not your personal religious choice.

[Yllac]

What I don't get is, what are Prop 8 supporters so afraid of? "protecting marriage"

Look, i've been to Massachusetts. and not only did i see a good deal of gay couples living more securely and comfortably, i also saw just about as many hetero couples continuing to marry and have children. if you want to protect marriage, make divorce illegal. (not that i am for that, just an example)

if a straight couple can marry at a drive-thru window, i think the "sanctity of marriage" is already far gone.

[txmcxlx]

Why is this an issue? I have a black bf and am preggo. What do you plan to do throw me in jail?

[Tejanito]

Oh please, don't compare racism to sexual preference. It's not the same.

[winkingdaruma]

Actually, we agree that not being white is clearly clearly different from not being straight. This video merely pointed out that the arguments against gay marriage, whether justified or not, were once argued against interracial marriage, and we found direct quotations from newspapers and legal arguments in our research which we then used in our script. So, although race and sexuality are incredibly different, it would seem that discrimination against each is rather similar.

[Tejanito]

I guess I can say the same thing about a guy that wants to marry a goat or an underage girl. Sexual preference is a choice. Being black is a charecteritic. I just think that prop 8 not only protects marriage but also protect the freedoms of the majority. The big pictures shows how necessary prop 8 is.

[winkingdaruma]

Actually, the difference between marrying an equal, consenting adult and marrying a goat or underage girl should be pretty clear.

[Tejanito]

Well, There are laws to prevent distinctions on individuals on basis of Race, Religion, Sex, National Origin. Not sexual preference, that is a choice ther others are not. The main reason that prop 8 is important, is that it prevents radical judges from making unilateral decisions the majority disaproves. The liberal are after the gain of power that is what this is mostly about.

[winkingdaruma]

At one point, 'radical judges' were telling Americans that they ought not have separate schools for racial minorities. I agree that judges should not be legislating from the bench, but there is such a thing as equal protection under the law.

[Tejanito]

Again, the issue here is sexual preference not race. It is not the same. No wonder African Americans were outraged and voted yes on prop 8.

[Yllac]

that statement makes african american members of the LGBT community completely invisible. let's not play the blame game.

[sarahsem123]

True.

[elguey0]

Here's what YES ON 8 people don't get:

Marriage is a general term. It does not exclusively refer to a Christian matrimony. People of other faiths are MARRIED. Where's the outcry?

We live in a secular society. Thus, nobody can force any religious views on an entire state. We do not live under a Christian autocracy.

We gays want to redefine the LEGAL definition of marriage, which has nothing to do with the Christian definition or Christianity-they're separate. They do not own the word Marriage.

[AmberThinks]

well said!

[danny458]

Bigots!

[Redemption2XK]

I have a close friend that is against inter racial marriage and gay marriage, but would vote to protect their rights. She told me that it is just her opinion on it and opinions shouldnt be laws.

Wise words.

I am for gay marriage, sure it isnt normal..but normal is boring.

I think people should believe in what they want, but dont make it a law if it is just an opinion.

[handsomeyoungman82]

Marriage has to be regulated. Otherwise, those who are sexually attracted to animals like dogs, cats, and monkeys have the right to marry too. How about the polygamous who want to have more than 1 spouse. They should be allowed to do so too. There has to be a boundary. Marriage has always been between 1 man and 1 woman. Even in the Bible, there have been several blessed interracial & intercultural relationships. But, you will not see 1 gay marriage or abomination.

[winkingdaruma]

To put it simply, I see the distinction between same sex relationships and those you mentioned as fundamentally one of mutual consent. Homosexual couples, like heterosexual couples, are rather convincingly intended to recognize equally the intimacies, passions, and commitments of both partners, however much they differ in other respects. Contrastingly, in cases of polygamy, bestiality, and even the seemingly consensual statutory rape, that egalitarian intention is no longer so clear.

[winkingdaruma]

Many argue that such relationships, if we can still call them that, are not in fact comparable to those of same-sex couples, since the individuals involved seemingly hold inherently asymmetric interests, with those of one usually placed as above those of the other in importance. In polygamy, it amounts to the rights of the spokes being placed as subordinate to those of the axis, forming a kind of hierarchy not legally supported within liberal society.

[winkingdaruma]

With respect to bestiality and statutory rape, the issue is similar: that one individual is unjustly exploiting his or her coercive authority over the other, such that to enter into such a relationship is essentially to victimize an individual legally incompetent to give consent.

[californiaskyhawk]

You kids are so confused. Homosexuality is a MORAL ISSUE, NOT a civil one.  Pretty simple.

[ggblueam]

Agreed. Sexual behavior--which can change, IS NOT THE SAME AS skin color--which cannot change. It angers me that people have exploited the civil rights that we fought & died for, by applying it to same-sex relationships & other kinds of gender confusion. It destroys the soul, the body and the family.

This is a free society & the public can vote how they choose. However, the violence & hatred shown toward 'certain' people/groups who agree with Prop 8 is intolerant & heterophobic.

[purplepeace123]

sexual behavior CANNOT change. educate yourself--someone does not choose to become gay, they are gay. It is not something you can simply see, but that does not mean it is a choice.

[ggblueam]

CHANGE IS POSSIBLE. You don't have to believe the lie that you are born gay, stuck with it & have to embrace it. Check these folks out, IF YOU DARE to expose yourself to truth: Charlene Cothran - founder of Venus lesbian mag; Michael Glatze - founder/former editor of Young Gay America mag; Stephen Bennett ministries; Richard Cohen - Intl Healing Foundation; Jerry Leach -former cross dresser/founder of Reality Resources; Andrew Comiskey - Desert Stream Min; Alan Chambers - Pres of Exodus.

[nico772005]

that's some healthy shit you bible thumping crazys promote...I think the way you see god is completely wrong..

[ggblueam]

What do you know about how I see God? When did I thump the Bible at you and tell you?

Since you think you're right, why don't you explain how you see God and state what resource(s) you get your information from.

Please keep in mind that the folks I listed once hated & rejected the gospel of Jesus Christ. But now THEY EMBRACE CHRIST, preach the gospel and testify of His goodness and grace. No one forced them to convert. They wanted to leave the homosexual lifestyle...and they did.

[nico772005]

Why is you dislike people being secure with their sexuality so much...Don't give that bible bs i think it's a little more then that..Your whole heterophobic shit I know plenty of gays and we seem to be the best of friends ..Plus i frequent gay bars never had problems with discrimination there..You view god as a judgmental being; In my opinion that's man who is judgmental not god...

[ggblueam]

Where did I state that I dislike people who are comfortable in their sexuailty? Sexual confusion is not a comfortable place for anyone to be emotionally, physically & spiritually. At least those that leave the homosexual lifestyle are brave enough to do soul searching & admit what thoughts, behaviors & events led them down that path.

God declares Himself to be Creator, Sovereign, Savior and Judge. What part did you miss? He defined marriage & Christians & many others simply uphold it.

[nico772005]

people that think being gay is a choice have a sad perception of them self's..Those who claim power of prayer can make them straight..Simply have internal issues with dealing with not being what society feels is the norm..

[ggblueam]

I never made any statements about choosing to be gay. I stated that change from gay to straight is possible - there are EX-GAYS who want their voice to be heard. I'm someone who listens & supports them, because I see too much of the destructive side of the 'gay' lifestyle.

You continue to imply that those of us who disagree with your points of view are haters and judgmental. Do you know how to debate without attacking the other person or telling them how they think or feel?

[nico772005]

Ex gays are in denial of who they are...if people didn't judge gays and condemn for being with the same sex then there wouldn't be so much destructive side to them ...There's self destruction in the straight world too!! Not just the gays ...as a women I can speak well on this issue ...

[ggblueam]

Ex-gays have grown to know who they really are in light of God's love & forgiveness. Some profess to have developed their heterosexual potential while others have not. But they're living proof that change is possible. That scares some folks & angers others.. Consequently, ex-gays are shunned, harassed & bullied by many gays.

Sexual immortality of any kind, same or opposite-sex attraction, is destructive. Public opinion and/or approval won't change that. BTW, I'm a woman, too! LOL

[nico772005]

Are you an ex-DYKE?

[ggblueam]

Why do you use the term 'dyke?' Isn't that offensive? If you want to know if I've ever expereinced same-sex attractions, the answer is 'no.'

[nico772005]

Knoxville,TN

Graduated: N/A

Student status: Alumni

Degree: Bachelor's Degree

Major: Human Servcies

Minor: Sociology

[nico772005]

Female

48 years old

STEPHENTOWN, New York

United States

[ggblueam]

Yes, is there anything else you want to know about me?

[nico772005]

Your right cheaters won't become faithful in a relationship...

[avalencia1988]

I see you Jenny! I see you Jasmine, and Quinn, and Kevin, and Marta, and all the others! I'm very proud of all you guys. Now that the prop. has passed, I really wish I had done more...I'm sorry.

Andrew

[justathought3]

The charge of hate (along with bigotry, homophobia and intolerance) is the primary charge leveled against supporters of Prop 8.

Any honest outsider would see that virtually all the hate expressed concerning Prop 8 comes from the no on 8 crowd. I have neither seen nor heard any hatred of gays expressed by yes on 8.

No on 8 expresses nearly all the hate because many of them do hate, loudly and continuously. But hate in the name of love s OK with them?

YES ON 8! For the children!

[enigmatically]

Mormons are the main group of people pushing Prop 8 and Prop 102. They used to discriminate against people for being black; not allowing black people to have the same rights as the rest of their congregation until they changed their minds in 1978 in order to better spread their religion into Africa.

Restricting gay marriage is exactly the same as restricting interracial marriage. Bigotry is bigotry, and homophobia is the new racism.

[TsukiNamida09]

I love it.

[bookworm24]

Fabulous job illustrating the truth about Prop 8. You're absolutely right. A vote for NO on Prop 8 PROTECTS MARRIAGE and the constitutional rights of a signifigant portion of our population.

[EldritchMask]

I'd just though about that just before I saw your vid. Hopefully others will see the bigotry behind the rhetoric.

YOU hit the nail on the head with this video. Well done.

[BecauseTheTruthHurts]

Great video!!!!

[jjred86]

our daily observation shows us that the people involved with this video are just as ignorant as the people thet criticize. I'm all for civil rights, but some things in humanity are clearly one thing, sacred, and shouldn't be changed. Yes, there is such thing as being over-progressive. Some things in life aren't equal. PROTECT MARRIAGE. YES ON 8!

[miabedelia]

that's an opinion, not fact, therefore not making anyone making this piece "ignorant" -- it mean simply they are in a different camp on this issue. and they are simply tying together previous arguments on a similar subject and pointing out the fact this this country is supposed to have separation of church and state. stating that things are "not equal" doesn't necessarily make you ignorant -- it simply makes you close-minded and judgmental.

[blur880]

jjred86: Nothing you said makes sense.

First, you assume ignorance. Second: You are "all for civil rights?" Right. Third: Somethings in humanity are clearly one thing?" What does that even mean? Blacks were clearly slaves? Why is it right to change that but not change marriage? Last: "Some things in life aren't equal?" Is that what you would have told the slaves or women back in the day?

[CapnCircus]

Very good. This video needs to be more popular.

[boddah92108]

Thank you. :) NO ON 8

[tonikom]

Thank you

[acraine]

Very good. Very very good.