view (911 a press for truth) shows foreknowledge of the 911 warnings, and the amount of effort that was put out to even get an investigation. I am dumbfounded when people think that molten metal is a byproduct of normal fires. Yes, I know a plane hit the buildings of two of them. Even NIST says that the kerosene burnt off within minutes of the crash, and that it can not produce 2500+ degree temps even in an oxygen rich environment.
3 QUESTIONS 911 TRUTHERS DON'T WANT YOU TO ASK THEM:
Why did Dr. Steven Jones circumvent the peer review process by not showing his nanothermite paper to the chief editor and printing it without her approval?
How can Marvin Bush be in charge of WTC security when he stopped working for Securecom in June of 2000?
If the WTC was destroyed via demolition, how did the charges survive the plane impacts and how did the perpetrators know exactly where the planes would hit the buildings?
I think these "THERMITE" stories of this guy are some of the biggest bunch of crap i have ever heard.
If you take this stuff to its Logical conclusions this stuff implodes on its own. Had the WTC REALLY been taken down with Thermite it would not simply result in a bit of iron dust wafting thru Manhattan. Give me a break.
This building would be dripping in melted slag. It would be running down the steel and be VERY obvious. A building an acre across??
Here is the deal. There is a cross of two large beams of steel that were welded together during the event. A large clump of mixed concrete,steel. Many other testimonials to the extreme heat that was present weeks after it fell. There is no way the fires could of created those temps. I used to be a welder. I know a thing or two about melted steel. Jet fuel (refined kerosine) even with pure oxygen shot at it won't get hot enough to melt steel. I know it is hard to come to grips with.
@roquefortfiles how do you explain the extreme temps of 1300 plus degrees days after(shown by nasa thermal imagery) . The cross welded together, the lump of concrete, metal, etc that was found. I didn't say thermite brought it down. All I said was Jet fuel(refined kerosine), structural falling friction, Office fires, etc could not produce the temps required to melt steel. After you eliminate the impossible, what remains, no matter how improbable, is the answer.
@MrEmerye Ever try to extinguish a pile of burning leaves? WTC is No different, but its on a huge scale. There is no chemical that burns endlessly for weeks. And Thermite certainly doesn't. So what does that leave? How bout a garage full of parked cars? Aluminum wheel mags on 400 cars? Elevator Grease in the parking levels. Covered in tons of debris the temps rise. Uncovered fresh oxygen is introduced. You now have a blast furnace.
Yeah well StevO? Thermite or exothermic material DON'T react for days and weeks at time and any scientist knows that. And who there is to say this material is SPECIFICALLY metal?
For all you know it could be aluminum from car wheels in the parking garages. The building is sitting over top of the parking garage!!!. It holds 40,000 cars!!. The exterior cladding of the building is all aluminum.
And there is a difference of RED hot like the guy said. To MOLTEN.
@HeadLiceDurkalMonkee Dr. Abolhassan Astaneh-Asl, a professor of structural engineering, told PBS "I saw melting of girders at Ground Zero." Do you think the WTC girders were pot metal?
One of the WTC design engineers, Leslie Robertson, had denied that people saw molten steel in the Ground Zero rubble. A video surfaced recently showing that in 2002 he claimed he had seen "a little river of molten steel" himself.
1:46 "Where did that [molten metal] come from? Not from fires. We agree on that!"
Wait a second - who's the "we" who agree that fires weren't responsible for that molten metal?? Not everyone! Right here in this video is a worker estimating the temperature of the underground fires to be 1500 degrees (0:42) - more than hot enough to melt aluminum, lead, and no doubt other substances that were present.
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@mrtruthify The Secret Life of Chaos (available on YouTube) is a wonderful video about mathematics, science, complexity. It's truly a beautiful film. You don't have to be an atheist to appreciate it, but if you understand what the film has to say, you can understand why atheism makes sense.
They're all kooks who dont beleive a conspiracy to cover up evidence but are quite happy to accept a mass conspiracy by fdny, police, armed forces and civiian eyewitnesses who all lie about explosiions heard and felt and explosives smelt at the pentagon .
Theyre all in on it!
I might also add there are very good reasons for covering up evidence but none at all for eyewitnesses to lie.
Here's an INTERVIEW WITH EHUD BARAK ONE HOUR AFTER 911 attacks.
watch?v=V4Zj1fnGtjk
Ehud Barak with astonishing accuracy fingers BIN LADEN, Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran and calls for UNILATERAL attacks against ANY NATION that hosts "terrorists". He also coins the phrases "war against our way of life".
Ehud Barak knew more about the 911 attacks then ANYONE ELSE IN THE WORLD.
Remember Israel has in the past committed false flag operations to fool it's "allies" to do it's DIRTY WORK!
@isNOTrael "Remember Israel has in the past committed false flag operations to fool it's "allies" to do it's DIRTY WORK!"
In a Private Message, can you please tell me, or even better provide links to some of these claims. Im doing a personal research project and would love to see something like that. thanks
Please show me a plane part at the Pentagon, now when i say plane part i mean something you can't hold with one hand.
Please show me any VIDEO or PHOTO that clearly ID's WTC plane as a commercial airliner.
You have plenty of video from that day, you know what video is, it's the same of the one of your mother sucking on a horse. No wonder you are a whore, it runs in ur family.
@isNOTrael Wow, are you just not educated or didn't watch the video? Now, instead of vulgar posts, how about you go look up the size and how much landing gear weighs for this type of plane. You did see those right? Next, how about you look up the melting point of AL and at what temp the fires were recorded at there at the Pentagon.
Lastly, if you want to see the ramians so badly theres a site IN THAT video you would have seen to goto.
Of course I WATCHED YOUR STUPID VIDEO with MEN PICKING UP sheets of metal with their hands. Only a CHIMP would equate SHEETS OF METAL with a plane.
Can you explain how a 45 feet height plane would hit a 77 ft in height PENTAGON on the first floor and ONLY LEAVE 25 feet in HEIGHT FACADE DAMAGE?
If you did an experiment and slammed a 45 feet in height object into the BASE of a 77 ft object 1,000,000,000,000,000,000 times, you WOULD ALWAYS HAVE 45 FEET IN HEIGHT FACADE DAMAGE!
1. your mesurements are wrong, the body of the plane was 12 ft 4 in wide, not 45. The Tail was 44 ft 6 in high when landed, subtract the landing gear below the botom of the engines and the "flight height" is 36 ft 4 in. This matches the damage photos exactly.
2. Steel parts, that did not melt, were identified by serial numbers as belonging to that plane. Including a section of landing gear weighing 2.3 tons.
@isNOTrael If your going to insist on swearing like a child throwing a tantrum, we're done. Talk like an adult, you'll be taken seriuosly. Because frankly, I have better things to do then waste it on someone who is just a anti-Semit like yourself.
I was there, believe it or not, I really don't care.
@isNOTrael You didn't prove a thing, your wrong. The measurements you have are wrong, the weight you quote is wrong and you can't even understand the simplest mathimatics much less the physics involved. Yet you call me a chimp? Well, your dumber then this "chimp" so I guess that makes you, what? a slug?
As for what Israel has done, so what?! EVERY Gov has done that stuff. Find something new to complain about, you're late getting on that boat.
@isNOTrael Awe, I proved you wrong, again, and now you grab at another straw? Your just pathetic now. Let me guess, next your going to say it was LAZOZ SATALITEZ! Yeah....sad little boy you are. Now stop trying to convince yourself so hard your right when you know you've just lost.
I knew you would run WITHOUT EVEN ANSWERING THE QUESTION how much does a 757 WEIGHT because you think it would reveal that your a BITCH LIEING BUSH DICK SUCKER.
Guess WHAT YOU HAVE ALREADY!
You see chimp, a plane weighs over 200,000 lbs, how many tons is that? 114 give or a take a ton.
Now you think that 2.3 ton of some landing wheel equates to a 114 ton plane crashing at the pentagon.
@isNOTrael yeah....your nucking futs, I guess really did break your brain.
So, how about you go back and google up what type of plane Flight 77 was, because you're (SUPRISE!) wrong again. But I'm not going to tell you HOW your wrong chump, go figure it out.
Again, I didn't say 2.3 tons was an entire plane, OOPS! Wrong AGAIN!
I'm begining to think the only way you'll ever get a right is if you make three lefts.
@isNOTrael Aren't you tired of being wrong so much? I mean really now, I've proved you wrong so many times it's getting to where you're just pathetic now.
Because honestly, I don't even care about what you think, but others reading this will get a laugh as yet another Truthy gets his ass handed to him on a silver plater of facts, proof and evidence. Something you don't have, never will and probably wouldn't even undertsand even if you did!
@BadBunnyRides ROFL! you **$()**owned his ass! oh and if you didn't know he's a kicked out truthy. THEY don't even want his stupid ass so they kicked him!
2)Impact time as reported by NTSB Flight Path Study is 09:37:45. 473 - 76.7 = 396. Top of pentagon height is 33 (ground elevation) + 77 (height of pentagon) = 110. 396 - 110 = 286.3 feet too high above the pentagon.
According to the NTSB FLIGHT DATA THE PLANE MISSED THE BUILDING.
I AGREE WITH THEM!
Wow you are soo stupid, but again you believe in PURE SCI-FI.
You see how SCIENCE PROVES your chimp? Do you believe in Darth Vader too?
I mean who else would think it's normal that a plane with a 45 ft in height tail only damages 25 feet in height of the building that it crashes into when that building is 77 FEET IN HEIGHT.
Wow, are you smarter than a 5th GRADER? NOT!
Don't worry your banana is being sent via email, print it out and stick it in your ARSE!
Zero substance MOTHER FUCKER, 911 was an inside job bitch.
You see you can prove me wrong by simply showing me a large plane part in Pennsylvania and the Pentagon. Unless you believe that soil can pulverized STEEL?
You have ZERO PROOF of a commercial airliner at ANY OF THE CRASH SITES including WTC. WTC plane video DOES NOT SHOW A COMMERCIAL AIRLINER it justs shows a plane. Do you believe in SCI-FI FUCK FACE?
@tommytowne What really happened is aliens and ninjas. yeah. That makes as much sense as your precious 9/11 Truth Movement. It's really sad that people are so easily mislead. It shows the lack of education in America.
@StrengthFromAbove83 No, I don't follow the 911 truth movement but you think I do. You can read my posts and find my questions I'm not really interested.
I AM NOT a democrat.
You are so wrong about so many things in life.
Really I'm done with you. Too dumb for me. Sorry..
@tommytowne For not being "interested" you sure have responded quite a bit. And you say you don't follow the moronic 9/11 Truth movement... My guess is, you're an "independent", Ron Paul-supporter (most conspiracy theory tool bags are). Most people like you also think the Holocaust never happened.
@StrengthFromAbove83 How come you are always wrong dip shit? Ron Paul is a tool (The only true libertarians are anarchist communists.)and I would never deny the holocaust happened. You are fucking lame. No I am NOT a centrist or an independent. You have been dead fucking wrong about every stereotype you have thrown at me. But one thing I do know about you is you are a dip shit flag waiving patriotic republican douche bag and a fucking idiot.
@tommytowne I'm not a republican. if all you can do is call me names, that doesn't mean you know anything about me. 9/11 was done by al Qaeda. Terrorists attacked the US. It's that simple.
It's not that simple you dumb fuck. You have ZERO BRAIN if you believe...
1) 2 Buildings get hit by planes, at different locations within the building AND BOTH FALL STRAIGHT DOWN INTO THEIR OWN FOOT PRINT and think that's natural.
2) a 45 ft plane hits a 77 ft building(Pentagon) on th first floor and LEAVES ONLY 25 FEET IN HEIGHT OF DAMAGE.
3) A plane hits the EARTH and IS PULVERIZED BY SOIL in PENNSYLVANIA.
@isNOTrael the plane crash in pennsylvania had the inevitable terrorist passport survive when the rest where burnt to dust and also had a terrorist bandana survive totally unscathed.
God damn! these terrorist passports are indestructible!
@isNOTrael footprint? lol... you obviously haven't watched the videos of them falling then. you can CLEARLY see that they didn't fall straight down.
You obviously don't know much about ballistics if you think the plane would have to leave the EXACT SAME size hole as the dimensions of the plane. That's impossible unless the plane was solid or if it wasn't made of aluminum.
I have a grip on reality and over 8 years of military experience in 2 branches. Dealing with explosives and aircraft.
You have ZERO GRIP OF SCIENCE, it's simple math ASSHOLE. If a 45 foot plane hits a 77ft in height BUILDING on the first floor, HOW MUCH FACADE DAMAGE SHOULD THE BUILDING HAVE DICK FACE?
I will leave you with this ASSHOLE, there are over 8 MILLION MUSLIMS IN THE USA, over 800k in NYC alone and YET THERE HAS NOT BEEN ONE ATTACK IN 9 years.
On top of that there are over 1 million illegals crossing the border EVERY YEAR and STILL NOT ONE ATTACK.
You can't stop crime ITS IMPOSSIBLE, so how the fuck are you going to stop TERRORISM if it happened here already?
Terrorism is NOT ONLY IN A PLANE DICKFACE, it can be anywhere, car, building, drive by ANYTHING!
@isNOTrael ISLAM is a religious ideology. You ever read the Qur'an for yourself? The first half is about peace. The second half is about murdering the innocent.
You think I don't know about terrorism? LMAO! I take classes on it!
This MORON says jet fuel will not ignite??? I've served in the USAF before my Army service... YES, JP8 and similar chemicals WILL ignite... it does not TAKE MUCH... THEY'VE showed MANY airline crash scenarios... the aircraft catches fire... EASILY.... These morons need to look things up.
What a bunch of fucking retarded comments,wanna be scientists and what not.
You are just to fucking small of a human,afraid and weak as persons, to accept the facts as presented. Thankfully you ppl are statistically getting fewer by the day!
lol tommy,i read your comments,you seem like an educated person.do you really think a group of elite ex-soldiers would murder civilians?and how do you distinguish insurgants from civilians?alot of our militarys errors are blamed on blackwater dont believe everything the media feeds you.the men involved with that incident your thinking of are no longer involved with Blackwater.Blackwater is always looking for patriots willing to stand up for our best interests.join and see what its all about.
@gogetter690 Yes. Nazi soldiers killed millions. They were just humans obeying orders and they believe their cause. Collateral damage is easy to accept . Our military is not in the middle east for my best interest. Veterans are not heroes. Orgs like blackwater are USA hired terrorists. Please do not pretend not to know my argument. I know yours.
@tommytowne -when our govt dropped the ball in new orleans, who was there to stop the looting? Blackwater.i would be more concerned about all the red tape and the fact our govt cant get the job done.our soldiers hands are tied, Blackwater steps in and fufils a contract plain and simple. do some research,find out what its all about.i hear your argument, and its a good one. but your being fed wrong info by the media. i dont agree with war, but there is a job to be done.Blackwater is the answer.
@gogetter690 WRONG! I was IN New Orleans mobilized. The MAYOR of NEW ORLEANs is the one who dropped the damn ball by REFUSING HELP! forget that little tid bit?
@StrengthFromAbove83 - lol yes the mayor was to blame. facts are facts, cant dispute that. fact is Blackwater was there also. I have lots of nifty pics if you need proof. stand down soldier, we are on the same team. i never said our soldiers were not doing their job, i said the govt ties your hands. if they would let you do your jobs, this would be over.i cant stand to hear ignorant people like our friend tommy talk bad about Blackwater. He knows nothing. freedom comes with a price.
@gogetter690 yes. BW was there. They were guarding our compound. Crime dropped 60%, the Russian mafia, and Triads left during the time that 19th Special Forces Group (Airborne) was providing security for residents moving back. Yes, that's right.... the gov DOES tie our hands. Freedom comes with a price... SO DOES INTELLIGENCE... it comes from experience, logic, and perseverance to READ ON YOUR OWN, not read what someone TOLD YOU TO READ.
@tommytowne STFU you ignorant MORON! Blackwater is a group of highly trained VETERANS.... and yes, veterans who have seen combat... are heroes. They give morons like YOU the right to spread lies like you do.
@StrengthFromAbove83 -well said! you servicemen and women are heroes too, dont forget that! some of these folks sit on their couches and think little of their freedom.they should grow some, and go out on just one assignment. seperate the men from the boys.keep in mind, all they know is what media feeds them.
@StrengthFromAbove83 You think you are protecting my rights and freedom but you are just fighting for the corporations. My rights and freedoms have nothing to do with you blackwater thugs. You have been fooled.
@tommytowne I never have worked for BW. I don't work for a corporation. I sacrifice time out of my life so you can run your mouth. What have YOU done with your life?
@StrengthFromAbove83 You sacrifice no time for me so you can save your holier than thou ridiculous attitude. I have done plenty with my life you self righteous retard. You make yourself sound like a chump.
I don't buy into the whole people in the military are fighting for my rights and freedumbs so you can save your state propaganda. They don't fight for me or my family.
@tommytowne state propaganda? LMAO! ohhh right... since the dems JUST LOVE and support the military.... right? Yeah. sure. I'm nothing but a chump. LOL. Coming from a guy that think the ALMIGHTY GOVERNMENT did 9/11 and started a "false flag operation" war.
@tommytowne it was hit by the large perimeter columns of the Tower collapse. It was 400 ft away but the towers were more than 1300 ft tall. As the tower peeled open, it easily tilted over to reach building 7.
@StrengthFromAbove83 YOU may not like the sources on that site, but it's just ONE of MANY that prove you wrong with pure logic. I have a lot more analyzed by physicists, engineers, etc... proving 9/11 Conspiracy peeps dead wrong. Ya know, you guys should probably apologize to the families of 9/11 and the families of soldiers that have died for the disrespect you show... THEY HAVE THE BLACK BOX RECORDINGS OF TERRORISTS ON THE AIRCRAFT SCREAMING IN ARABIC!
@tommytowne You ever been to NYC and spoken to the firefighters? You should probably do that before running your mouth like all these other ignorant people. They'll tell you what they did and why and what it meant. You think they're going to lie? They know what they saw. WTC 7 was pulled DOWN BY a crane cable. NOT demo.
@StrengthFromAbove83 Like I said I will go with what the scientific community says and there are plenty of firefighters who felt explosions below ground. There was also seismic activity.
Why does all of this bother you so much. Why must the official story be true? What does iot mean to you if it isn't how they said it want down?
So you belive the official story to the tee? You have faith or what?
@tommytowne yeah, large objects falling from the sky would feel like an explosion. duh. It's not about "the official story" it's about COMMON SENSE and LOGIC... it really isn't rocket science like people try to make it.
@tommytowne I'm arguing like a child because you 9/11 Truth people don't have any common sense or logic and the MAJORITY of you also vote democrat... right.
It's amazing how limited the official studies were. Thermite is the smoking gun for sure but who did it?I think it was a private security group like blackwater or kaki. Thats the people we all need to keep an eye on is these huge private for hire thug armies owned by the top 2 capitalists. I nwonder what the Tea Party dip shits think of all of this?
@tommytowne -lol definately not blackwater, i assure you. blackwater is a group of true patriots, who cut through the red tape of politics, and get the job done.
@tommytowne EXCUSE ME? You're calling men that I've served with... terrorists???? Son, there is a HUGE DIFFERENCE between a freedom fighter and a terrorist.... IT'S THE TACTICS! You've obviously never taken any counter-terrorism classes in your entire life! YOu don't even know what a terrorist is. That much is evident. Just because there are MULTIPLE stupid people in the country doesn't mean you're right. keep that in mind.
Terrorists get what they want (or try) by murdering innocent civilians, trying to force/recruit people to join their cause through political means (exploiting the media).... etc etc... it's not about FREEDOM you spoon-fed tool. It's about GAINING POWER for them. If you've ever been IN the military you'd know this by their tactics employed. You are an uneducated IGNORANT, ARROGANT FOOL!
Notice how he is 2000F. Steel melts at 2600. There're witness reports of 1000 - 1500, but there's no evidence for 2600F temperatures. That's a FACT. Take it to the bank.
Thats right. NIST says NO evidence for molten steel because THERE'S NO EVIDENCE. Witness testimony is NOT evidence. Give one solid shred of evidence and maybe this could be researched further. My opinion is that the conspiracy bandwagon has taken this to new pseudo-scientific extremes.
Welcome to the loony farm where every self-styled loon can become a professional crankster!
There are more than 50 Professional Structural & Civil Engineers who have signed the well-vetted AE911Truth petition calling for a new+independent investigation.
"Additonally, I am not saying they did not "look the other way" to VERY specific warnings.
IT GOES WAY BEYOND SIMPLY IGNORING A THREAT. But controlled demo and missiles is nonsensical. It could NEVER have been done logistically. And the Towers fell EXACTLY as they should have. As did Bldg 7.
BULLSHIT. I CAN THINK OF SEVERAL METHODS EMPLOYED IN THIS KIND OF OP & WTC7 COULDNT HAVE COLLAPSED THE WAY NIST CLAIMED. THIS OP IS THE ONE OF THE MOST DEVIOUS COVERUPS IN US HISTORY. GOD HELP US!
Bush admin claimed Iraq War would only cost about $50 billion.. and oil revenue would pay for it along with reconstruction. A few years later, Nobel-Prize winning Economists estimated it would end up costing at least $3 TRILLION--but likely more. Now, after having been there an add'l few years, some estimates are in the $5 Trillion+ range.
Still, we should not dare to seriously question Bush's version of 9/11.
He & his admin did such a wonderful job preventing it, so hey.. they should know.
So why are some still here defending the official Conspiracy Theories if the alt-theories are not gaining ground & credence?
What a sad waste of one's seemingly valuable time.
It's been well over a year since the 9 scientists published their peer-reviewed paper, and to date--No published refutation.
NIST could only feebly question chain-of-custody--to which one of the authors (Dr. Jones, Physicist) responded, "Well, NIST has their own dust samples--why don't they do their own tests?"
The "official story" is being defended because of utter ignorance, incorrect science/physics and even greed by Truthers...the "alt-theories" are dying, but it's the people that are clueless to the facts, such as yourself, that keep repeating things that have been proven wrong
You apparently have no idea how stupid it is to think that the Jones&Co. paper is legitimate...and people don't publish refutations to crappy "science" papers, the paper is not worth anyone's time or effort
One can only hope the shills are being paid well to post endlessly.
How sadly pathetic anyone would waste their own time in support of whichever 'official' conspiracy--supporting something that clearly does not need support by any non-paid shill.
9 Scientists researched multiple dust samples (with solid chain-of-evidence) & co-authored a peer-reviewed paper published in an open journal.
It takes Confidence to publish in an Open Journal because then Anyone can read+analyze your work for FREE.
The only pathetic people are you and the rest of the Truthers...supporting wacko Truther conspiracies that have gone nowhere in 9 YEARS...Truthers have had 9 years to produce ANY kind of evidence and have FAILED miserably...the best they can resort to are quotes taken out of context, hearsay, and baseless claims...
...Truthers don't even know how much their Truther "movement" has decreased in the past several years
How funny of you to think that the Bentham article is legit...and to have the complete cluelessness to call it "confidence"...haha, more like getting it published on an online journal on a pay-to-publish website because nobody else would...
...and people did "read+analyze" it...especially the editor in chief, a nanomaterials professor, who resigned after the paper was published without permission
1,304 Experts (among Other experts in other, non-architectural or engineering fields) & counting--adding several per day now!
Meanwhile--nothing but crickets as for verified signers supporting the official conspiracy theory. Wait, make that 'theories' since the officials can't get their multiple & conflicting theories straight.
1,298 Professional Architects & Engineers have now signed the AE911Truth (dot) org site's petition. The number is surprisingly high considering only a tiny percentage of architects & engineers have heard of A&E's petition.
See the site for their qualifications.
Still no comparable list of signers supporting one of the [multiple & contradictory] 'official' conspiracy theories of how the 3 towers collapsed.
Apparently you don't understand that A&E9/11 are a bunch of Truthers, it is a Truther group, their existence is only that to question 9/11...there is no "petition" for supporting the official story, it is moronic to think that...groups like the American Society of Civil Engineers (a REAL organization) and their 144,000 members have approved of the official story...
...and you fail to see that A&E9/11 only represents less than half of one percent of all US architects & engineers
1,295 Professional Architects & Engineers have now signed a petition demanding a New & Independent investigation of 9/11.
The list is growing faster & faster as more experts hear about the hard evidence & solid analysis re how the 3 towers each collapsed utterly, symmetrically, and at nearly free-fall acceleration.
So some Truthers are signing the petition to get their name on it, it doesn't mean that the number of Truthers are growing, just the number of people that have signed that petition...
What are their qualifications?
...and considering that there's over 3 million architects and engineers in the US, a less than .04%...that's less than a half of a percent...number of them thinking a certain way means absolutely nothing
@CrazyRay7979 Additionally a lot of the Truther's are just people who want a new investigation (as I do), not people who believe the controlled demo nonsense. So the percentage who buy the controlled demo thins is minuscule, and almost zero Structural Engineers are on board.
There was clearly a political coverup of Pakistan ISI involvement, Saudi Royals, the Bush Admin's complete negligence to a point of absurdity,etc. But controlled demo is a joke to even consider.
Over a thousand architects & engineers are in agreement regarding the controlled demolition as are millions of people around the world. As for a "clear" coverup by Pakistan ISI or Saudi Royals there isnt even proof that the Arabs were involved at all as little of the evidence was examined. You continue to make assertions that arent provable as if theyve been irrefutably established. Aaron Russo stated Rockefeller told him there was going to be an event that would enable martial law.
Funny, "over a thousand architects & engineers" are NOTHING when you take into consideration that there's 3 MILLION architects and engineers in the US...you're just a fool, plain and simple...
Youre a pompous, impudent liar and a reprobate. There are millions of people around the world who see right through your twisted game. Its only a matter of time and time is on our side, not yours.
Architects & Engineer's Truth site is now up to 1,291 verified signers.
Have yet to hear of any verified signer list supporting official conspiracy myth.
Oh, it would be difficult because which 'official' report do you support??
FEMA's? (they claim the floor-truss connections are extremely weak--leading to floors pan-caking.. ha!)
or
NIST's? (claim the floor-truss connections are extremely strong--much stronger than the vertical columns! -like tugging a leaf will bend & then snap a tree! ?)
The vast majority of A&E's have not heard the details of Gage's (or comparable) presentation, so not at all surprising there's a relatively small overall percentage.
Can't sign a petition you've never heard of.
What IS truly shocking is that there are SO many professionals who Have signed Gage's petition.
Where's a well-vetted petition of signers who support whatever official (& contradictory) theory?
FEMA sez floor truss connections were wretchedly weak.
Turns out that NIST is not the only one making whopping errors--in their favor, of course.
Very simple percentage calculations show that 1,273 is .042% (not .0004% as some have claimed) of 3,000,000. Plug the numbers into the 2nd option here if you can't do your own math:
percentagecalculator (dot) net
So without calling names, Someone here--in rabid (perhaps paid) support of the most absurd conspiracy of all--has her math off by a factor of 100.
Ok, in a rush, I goofed...so .042% then...still under one-half of one percent...a fraction...my point still stands...
...so the finding that is backed with FDNY facts & testimony, NYPD & emergency facts and testimonyeyewitness testimony, scientific data, engineering data, structural data, and just plain common sense is the "most absurd conspiracy", huh?
Truthers don't even have a "smoking gun"...Truther theories hold no proof, no Truther theory has ever been proven.
1,273 Professional Architects & Engineers have now signed a well-vetted petition stating that a new & independent 9/11 investigation is needed.
How many professional architects & engineers have signed petitions supporting the Official Conspiracy Theories?
NIST ignored repeated FOIA (Freedom of Information Act) requests for documents, then stonewalled until a lawsuit forced them to begin releasing video & photographic evidence.
Clearly, NIST had a lot to hide. Many Gigs worth of evidence data.
You act like 1,273 is a large number...there are at least 3 million architects and engineers in the US...how's that .0004% of them working out for you?
A&E9/11 is a group of Truthers, they are not an official group of architects and/or engineers united for any other reason other than they ALREADY BELIEVE in a 9/11 conspiracy theory...now a real group, the American Society of Civil Engineers, with their 144,000 members, have approved the official story
@CrazyRay7979 Why would it matter to you whether or not anyone believes that the Establishment alibi is false? Do you have a personal stake in the Middle east?
Because it's ignorance, plain ignorance...Truthers think they have some inside information and that they're intelligent and informed when they're just ignorant and full of blind hatred...they bastardize the deaths of 3,000 people by whining about Bush and all the variations of their conspiracy theories...some Truthers even claim that the planes were holograms, that planes never hit the buildings, despite the thousands and thousands of people that personally saw the planes hit.
Holograms? More of your phony strawman deflection. Thou doth protest too much and its giving away your deceptive motive for retorting so maliciously. Youre a liar. 9-11 is a false flag on a grand scale and the stakes are being revealed year by year. We dont possess any inside information and dont need to because the evidence is so blatantly clear. Its a case of the "Emperors New Clothes". That combined with your viscous smearing and the entire issue wreaks of massive coverup. Davin Coburn lied.
Yes, holograms...I have heard it many times from Truthers...but it is a minority of Truthers, which are a minority of America
You THINK you possess inside information, you definitely do...you think you're better than everyone else and you think that REAL facts and scientific data can be disproven by some shitty false commentary over a video filmed on 9/11...the majority of Truther theories start with the usual, "you believe what the government tells you" crap, when it's not at all
@CrazyRay7979 Completely irrelevant to the topic in the video above. And yes your bullshit is merely a feeble attempt at strawman deflection. Dumbshit DePunker.
view (911 a press for truth) shows foreknowledge of the 911 warnings, and the amount of effort that was put out to even get an investigation. I am dumbfounded when people think that molten metal is a byproduct of normal fires. Yes, I know a plane hit the buildings of two of them. Even NIST says that the kerosene burnt off within minutes of the crash, and that it can not produce 2500+ degree temps even in an oxygen rich environment.
MrEmerye 1 month ago
3 QUESTIONS 911 TRUTHERS DON'T WANT YOU TO ASK THEM:
Why did Dr. Steven Jones circumvent the peer review process by not showing his nanothermite paper to the chief editor and printing it without her approval?
How can Marvin Bush be in charge of WTC security when he stopped working for Securecom in June of 2000?
If the WTC was destroyed via demolition, how did the charges survive the plane impacts and how did the perpetrators know exactly where the planes would hit the buildings?
ctcole77 1 month ago
I think these "THERMITE" stories of this guy are some of the biggest bunch of crap i have ever heard.
If you take this stuff to its Logical conclusions this stuff implodes on its own. Had the WTC REALLY been taken down with Thermite it would not simply result in a bit of iron dust wafting thru Manhattan. Give me a break.
This building would be dripping in melted slag. It would be running down the steel and be VERY obvious. A building an acre across??
Silly stuff.!!!
roquefortfiles 2 months ago
Here is the deal. There is a cross of two large beams of steel that were welded together during the event. A large clump of mixed concrete,steel. Many other testimonials to the extreme heat that was present weeks after it fell. There is no way the fires could of created those temps. I used to be a welder. I know a thing or two about melted steel. Jet fuel (refined kerosine) even with pure oxygen shot at it won't get hot enough to melt steel. I know it is hard to come to grips with.
MrEmerye 2 months ago
@MrEmerye Wonderful!! And i have experience with Controlled demolitions.
Thermite/ Nano thermite is not a material that any professional would EVER use for a CD. These are silly silly stories.
I know enough to know that had any of the buildings been CD, believe me there isn't anyone in lower Manhattan that wouldn't know about it.
Silly stuff!!
roquefortfiles 2 months ago
@roquefortfiles how do you explain the extreme temps of 1300 plus degrees days after(shown by nasa thermal imagery) . The cross welded together, the lump of concrete, metal, etc that was found. I didn't say thermite brought it down. All I said was Jet fuel(refined kerosine), structural falling friction, Office fires, etc could not produce the temps required to melt steel. After you eliminate the impossible, what remains, no matter how improbable, is the answer.
MrEmerye 1 month ago
@MrEmerye Ever try to extinguish a pile of burning leaves? WTC is No different, but its on a huge scale. There is no chemical that burns endlessly for weeks. And Thermite certainly doesn't. So what does that leave? How bout a garage full of parked cars? Aluminum wheel mags on 400 cars? Elevator Grease in the parking levels. Covered in tons of debris the temps rise. Uncovered fresh oxygen is introduced. You now have a blast furnace.
Logical answers to things!!
roquefortfiles 1 month ago
Yeah well StevO? Thermite or exothermic material DON'T react for days and weeks at time and any scientist knows that. And who there is to say this material is SPECIFICALLY metal?
For all you know it could be aluminum from car wheels in the parking garages. The building is sitting over top of the parking garage!!!. It holds 40,000 cars!!. The exterior cladding of the building is all aluminum.
And there is a difference of RED hot like the guy said. To MOLTEN.
roquefortfiles 2 months ago
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Only in America - the AIPAC removed 280,000 tons of criminal evidence steel right under the noses of the sum dum goys !!
halani 5 months ago
@HeadLiceDurkalMonkee You're the one who said pot metal, not I.
Why did NIST's Dr. John Gross, and Leslie Robertson, one of the WTC design engineers, lie about the molten steel?
punxsutawneybarney 7 months ago in playlist 9/11
@HeadLiceDurkalMonkee Dr. Abolhassan Astaneh-Asl, a professor of structural engineering, told PBS "I saw melting of girders at Ground Zero." Do you think the WTC girders were pot metal?
punxsutawneybarney 7 months ago
SPAM ? FRIGGIN ZIONITS W*ORES ..
williamiverson 8 months ago
One of the WTC design engineers, Leslie Robertson, had denied that people saw molten steel in the Ground Zero rubble. A video surfaced recently showing that in 2002 he claimed he had seen "a little river of molten steel" himself.
See my video:
The 9/11 "Deep Mystery" and the Crazy Engineers
punxsutawneybarney 8 months ago
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Some things everyone needs to know to sort this out:
We Have the Results and Only We Have the Results (15 minutes)
watch?v=iQdJuQLNFCk
Can we really think honestly about science without paying attention to the logic we are using?
iBlindGame 10 months ago
1:46 "Where did that [molten metal] come from? Not from fires. We agree on that!"
Wait a second - who's the "we" who agree that fires weren't responsible for that molten metal?? Not everyone! Right here in this video is a worker estimating the temperature of the underground fires to be 1500 degrees (0:42) - more than hot enough to melt aluminum, lead, and no doubt other substances that were present.
FAIL.
TimReed22222 1 year ago
"To communicate anything to a Gentile about our religious relations would be equal to the killing of all Jews, for if the Gentile knew what we teach about them, they would kill us openly." ~Libbre David 37
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"When the Messiah (Antichrist) comes every Jew will have 2800 Gentile (non-Jew) slaves."Simeo Haddarsen, fol. 56-D
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"If a Gentile even hits a Jew, the Gentile must be killed." ~Sanhedrin, 58b
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"Even the best of the goyim (non-jews) should be killed" ~Soferim 15
Jewish Talmud
mrtruthify 11 months ago
@mrtruthify The Secret Life of Chaos (available on YouTube) is a wonderful video about mathematics, science, complexity. It's truly a beautiful film. You don't have to be an atheist to appreciate it, but if you understand what the film has to say, you can understand why atheism makes sense.
iBlindGame 10 months ago
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@TimReed22222 Some things everyone needs to know to sort this out:
We Have the Results and Only We Have the Results (15 minutes)
watch?v=iQdJuQLNFCk
Can we really think honestly about science without paying attention to the logic we are using?
iBlindGame 10 months ago
I always look at them for debunkers comments.
They're all kooks who dont beleive a conspiracy to cover up evidence but are quite happy to accept a mass conspiracy by fdny, police, armed forces and civiian eyewitnesses who all lie about explosiions heard and felt and explosives smelt at the pentagon .
Theyre all in on it!
I might also add there are very good reasons for covering up evidence but none at all for eyewitnesses to lie.
zenoist2 1 year ago
@zenoist2 and then theres you!
toptrichs 1 year ago
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We Have the Results and Only We Have the Results (15 minutes)
watch?v=iQdJuQLNFCk
Can we really think honestly about science without paying attention to the logic we are using?
iBlindGame 10 months ago
I always stop and look at a 911 video just to laugh at the comments.. 911 truthers are ALL mentally deranged!
imax1971 1 year ago
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@imax1971 Some things everyone needs to know to sort this out:
We Have the Results and Only We Have the Results (15 minutes)
watch?v=iQdJuQLNFCk
Can we really think honestly about science without paying attention to the logic we are using?
iBlindGame 10 months ago
So why wasn't any Aluminum Oxide found? That would think it would be present in large quantities.
TimReed22222 1 year ago
Here's an INTERVIEW WITH EHUD BARAK ONE HOUR AFTER 911 attacks.
watch?v=V4Zj1fnGtjk
Ehud Barak with astonishing accuracy fingers BIN LADEN, Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran and calls for UNILATERAL attacks against ANY NATION that hosts "terrorists". He also coins the phrases "war against our way of life".
Ehud Barak knew more about the 911 attacks then ANYONE ELSE IN THE WORLD.
Remember Israel has in the past committed false flag operations to fool it's "allies" to do it's DIRTY WORK!
isNOTrael 1 year ago
@isNOTrael "Remember Israel has in the past committed false flag operations to fool it's "allies" to do it's DIRTY WORK!"
In a Private Message, can you please tell me, or even better provide links to some of these claims. Im doing a personal research project and would love to see something like that. thanks
BigMikeTheTerror 1 year ago
DOES IT MATTER IF IT'S A PLANE PART?!....IT'S CUTTER CHARGES...........
regimedragongang 1 year ago
Respond to this video...
Please show me a plane part at the Pentagon, now when i say plane part i mean something you can't hold with one hand.
Please show me any VIDEO or PHOTO that clearly ID's WTC plane as a commercial airliner.
You have plenty of video from that day, you know what video is, it's the same of the one of your mother sucking on a horse. No wonder you are a whore, it runs in ur family.
:)
isNOTrael 1 year ago
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BadBunnyRides 1 year ago
@BadBunnyRides
What a fucking chimp you are! I mean seriously, ALL THOSE "PARTS" are SMALL pieces of METAL that you can PICK UP WITH YOUR HAND!
Where's THE PLANE DICK FACE? In that VIDEO there is a CAR THAT SURVIVED THE IMPACT RIGHT INFRONT OF THE PENTAGON.
Have you ever SEEN A REAL PLANE CRASH B4 TRAITOR?
WHERE ARE THE WINGS, FUSELAGE, ENGINES, LUGGAGE, NOSE, TAIL, THE BODIES??????????????
The same goes for PENNSYLVANIA, SO SOIL PULVERIZED A WHOLE FUCKING PLANE TOO?
Bush + Israel = 911
isNOTrael 1 year ago
@isNOTrael Wow, are you just not educated or didn't watch the video? Now, instead of vulgar posts, how about you go look up the size and how much landing gear weighs for this type of plane. You did see those right? Next, how about you look up the melting point of AL and at what temp the fires were recorded at there at the Pentagon.
Lastly, if you want to see the ramians so badly theres a site IN THAT video you would have seen to goto.
BadBunnyRides 1 year ago
@BadBunnyRides
Of course I WATCHED YOUR STUPID VIDEO with MEN PICKING UP sheets of metal with their hands. Only a CHIMP would equate SHEETS OF METAL with a plane.
Can you explain how a 45 feet height plane would hit a 77 ft in height PENTAGON on the first floor and ONLY LEAVE 25 feet in HEIGHT FACADE DAMAGE?
If you did an experiment and slammed a 45 feet in height object into the BASE of a 77 ft object 1,000,000,000,000,000,000 times, you WOULD ALWAYS HAVE 45 FEET IN HEIGHT FACADE DAMAGE!
isNOTrael 1 year ago
@isNOTrael ok, point by point;
1. your mesurements are wrong, the body of the plane was 12 ft 4 in wide, not 45. The Tail was 44 ft 6 in high when landed, subtract the landing gear below the botom of the engines and the "flight height" is 36 ft 4 in. This matches the damage photos exactly.
2. Steel parts, that did not melt, were identified by serial numbers as belonging to that plane. Including a section of landing gear weighing 2.3 tons.
That big enough for you?
BadBunnyRides 1 year ago
@BadBunnyRides
According to ASCE you are wrong... DICK FACE! :)
"The height of the damage to the facade of the building was
much less than the height of the aircraft’s tail. At approximately
45 ft, the tail height was nearly as tall as the first four floors of the
building. Obvious visible damage extended only over the lowest
two floors, to approximately 25 ft above grade"
fire . nist . gov/bfrlpubs/build03/PDF/b03017 . pdf
Bush + Israel = 911
isNOTrael 1 year ago
@isNOTrael If your going to insist on swearing like a child throwing a tantrum, we're done. Talk like an adult, you'll be taken seriuosly. Because frankly, I have better things to do then waste it on someone who is just a anti-Semit like yourself.
I was there, believe it or not, I really don't care.
BadBunnyRides 1 year ago
@BadBunnyRides
I was there too CHIMP but I JUST PROVED YOU WRONG AND NOW YOUR RUNNING TYPICAL FAKE.
Did JEWS EVER COMMIT CRIMES? Did JEWS ever commit FALSE FLAG OPERATIONS?
YES! They do all the time. If I say MADDOFF stole BILLIONS DOES THAT MEAN IM AN ANTI-SEMITE?
Anytime you suspect a jew and talk about it TRAITORS LIKE YOU TRY TO discredit with the word ANTI-SEMITE BUT GUESS WHAT NO ONE CARES!
You have WARNED OUT THAT LABEL TRAITOR!
isNOTrael 1 year ago
@BadBunnyRides
Jewish False flag history.
Lavon Affair - Jews disguised as arabs try to blow up bombs in egypt
King David hotel - Jews disguised as arabs blow up Hotel in jerusalem
Uss Liberty Attack - Israel attacks USS LIBERTY with unmarked planes IN THE 1960's to try and FOOL THE US into attacking EGYPT.
Mexican Congress Bomb PLOT - Two Jews caught with bombs and FAKE PASSPORTS
Dubai Assassinations - Jews used REAL PASSPORTS OF FOREIGN NATIONALS TO ASSASINATE HAMMAS MEMBER
isNOTrael 1 year ago
@BadBunnyRides
You are a realllll retard hhehehe.. You think that if you find....
2.3 TONS that means a 114 TONS PLANE CRASHED THERE....
The 757 is around 114 TONS NOT including the PASSENGERS / CREW / LUGGAGE!
What a chimp....
isNOTrael 1 year ago
@isNOTrael You didn't prove a thing, your wrong. The measurements you have are wrong, the weight you quote is wrong and you can't even understand the simplest mathimatics much less the physics involved. Yet you call me a chimp? Well, your dumber then this "chimp" so I guess that makes you, what? a slug?
As for what Israel has done, so what?! EVERY Gov has done that stuff. Find something new to complain about, you're late getting on that boat.
BadBunnyRides 1 year ago
@BadBunnyRides
Getting on what BOAT CHIMP? How many TONS DOES A 757 weight?
Let's GO PUT UP OR SHUT THE FUCK UP YOU TRAITOR SCUM!
isNOTrael 1 year ago
@isNOTrael Awe, I proved you wrong, again, and now you grab at another straw? Your just pathetic now. Let me guess, next your going to say it was LAZOZ SATALITEZ! Yeah....sad little boy you are. Now stop trying to convince yourself so hard your right when you know you've just lost.
Later chump.
BadBunnyRides 1 year ago
@BadBunnyRides
I knew you would run WITHOUT EVEN ANSWERING THE QUESTION how much does a 757 WEIGHT because you think it would reveal that your a BITCH LIEING BUSH DICK SUCKER.
Guess WHAT YOU HAVE ALREADY!
You see chimp, a plane weighs over 200,000 lbs, how many tons is that? 114 give or a take a ton.
Now you think that 2.3 ton of some landing wheel equates to a 114 ton plane crashing at the pentagon.
What a fucking Chimp!
isNOTrael 1 year ago
@isNOTrael Oh nice, I get to break your little brain again;
1. You see chump, the rest of the planet knows that in the USA a ton is 2000 lbs. so your math is wrong...again.
2. On August 11, 2006 NTSB released theFlight Data on Flight 77...your wrong, yet again.
3. Aluminum liquid state melting point 660c 1220F, and the fires from jet A-1 fuel was what...yeah, your wrong on this too.
Now babble and swear your way out of that...and be wrong even more.
BadBunnyRides 1 year ago
@BadBunnyRides
Hahahaha, what a fucking chimp!
1 ) According to Boeing the weight of the 757 is 255,000 pounds.
255 000 / 2 000 = 127.5 TONS BITCH!
You said only having 2.3 tons is enough to say you found a plane. Then you point me to a video where the parts of the plane are mere hand held scraps.
What a CHIMP!
How much does the 757 weigh? THIS IS THE THIRD TIME IM ASKING YOU CHIMP, DONT YOU WANT YOUR BANANA?
Bush + Israel = 911
isNOTrael 1 year ago
@isNOTrael yeah....your nucking futs, I guess really did break your brain.
So, how about you go back and google up what type of plane Flight 77 was, because you're (SUPRISE!) wrong again. But I'm not going to tell you HOW your wrong chump, go figure it out.
Again, I didn't say 2.3 tons was an entire plane, OOPS! Wrong AGAIN!
I'm begining to think the only way you'll ever get a right is if you make three lefts.
owned, again
BadBunnyRides 1 year ago
@BadBunnyRides
How much did FLIGHT 77 weigh? Please answer ME NOW CHIMP!
You said 2.4 tons of LANDING GEAR is enough TO UNIQUELY ID A COMMERCIAL AIRLINER. You're ONE SUPER CHIMP!
The banana will be emailed to you once you answer. Then you can again print it out and STICK IT IN YOUR ASS!
isNOTrael 1 year ago
@isNOTrael Aren't you tired of being wrong so much? I mean really now, I've proved you wrong so many times it's getting to where you're just pathetic now.
Because honestly, I don't even care about what you think, but others reading this will get a laugh as yet another Truthy gets his ass handed to him on a silver plater of facts, proof and evidence. Something you don't have, never will and probably wouldn't even undertsand even if you did!
FATALITY!....epic ownage.
BadBunnyRides 1 year ago
@BadBunnyRides
You will never own me CHIMP. I will follow you every where and expose your dis-info agent to the masses.
You said
- 2.4 tons of landing gear clearly ID's a 200,000 lb plane. JESUS!
- a plane with a 45 foot tail leaves only a 25 feet in height of damage.
- SOIL pulverized the plane that crashed in pennsylvania.
Not only are you a chimp but your the first SUCKING BUSH DICK CHIMP!
All that BUSH CUM totally skewed your capacity to think straight.
What A FUCKING CHIMP!
isNOTrael 1 year ago
@isNOTrael hehe,,well said...
toptrichs 1 year ago
@BadBunnyRides ROFL! you **$()**owned his ass! oh and if you didn't know he's a kicked out truthy. THEY don't even want his stupid ass so they kicked him!
To funny!
MrVonKruger 1 year ago
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@isNOTrael Some things everyone needs to know to sort this out:
We Have the Results and Only We Have the Results (15 minutes)
watch?v=iQdJuQLNFCk
Can we really think honestly about science without paying attention to the logic we are using?
iBlindGame 10 months ago
@BadBunnyRides
More for your chimp brain....
2)Impact time as reported by NTSB Flight Path Study is 09:37:45. 473 - 76.7 = 396. Top of pentagon height is 33 (ground elevation) + 77 (height of pentagon) = 110. 396 - 110 = 286.3 feet too high above the pentagon.
According to the NTSB FLIGHT DATA THE PLANE MISSED THE BUILDING.
I AGREE WITH THEM!
Wow you are soo stupid, but again you believe in PURE SCI-FI.
FYI DARTH VADER DOESNT EXIST CHIMP!
isNOTrael 1 year ago
@BadBunnyRides
You see how SCIENCE PROVES your chimp? Do you believe in Darth Vader too?
I mean who else would think it's normal that a plane with a 45 ft in height tail only damages 25 feet in height of the building that it crashes into when that building is 77 FEET IN HEIGHT.
Wow, are you smarter than a 5th GRADER? NOT!
Don't worry your banana is being sent via email, print it out and stick it in your ARSE!
isNOTrael 1 year ago
@BadBunnyRides
You god damn CHIMP! I am waiting how many tons does a 757 weigh?
Hurry Chimp, if you answer correctly ill send you a banana...
isNOTrael 1 year ago
@ARCANINEKINGEATSDIK
Again ZERO PROOF just your brainless opinion, SHOW ME A PLANE PART IN PENNSYLVANIA PLEASE?
isNOTrael 1 year ago
@ARCANINEKINGEATSDIK
Zero substance MOTHER FUCKER, 911 was an inside job bitch.
You see you can prove me wrong by simply showing me a large plane part in Pennsylvania and the Pentagon. Unless you believe that soil can pulverized STEEL?
You have ZERO PROOF of a commercial airliner at ANY OF THE CRASH SITES including WTC. WTC plane video DOES NOT SHOW A COMMERCIAL AIRLINER it justs shows a plane. Do you believe in SCI-FI FUCK FACE?
isNOTrael 1 year ago
Oh I forgot to mention SLAVERY, how great was christianity to enslave ppl FOR 500 YEARS!
Oh wait Islam the religion you hate, SAID ALL MEN ARE EQUAL in 700AD. Jesus you are one DUMB MOTHER FUCKER!
isNOTrael 1 year ago
COMMON SENSE and LOGIC are absent in the official story of what really happened on 911.
tommytowne 1 year ago
@tommytowne What really happened is aliens and ninjas. yeah. That makes as much sense as your precious 9/11 Truth Movement. It's really sad that people are so easily mislead. It shows the lack of education in America.
StrengthFromAbove83 1 year ago
@StrengthFromAbove83 My "precious 9/11 Truth Movement". It's not mine you ninja alien douche bag.
You dodge questions like a kid.
Suck it
tommytowne 1 year ago
@tommytowne I dodge questions? you never specifically asked one. Ask away. You follow it (9/11 Truth movement)... therefore, it's your claim.
StrengthFromAbove83 1 year ago
@StrengthFromAbove83 No, I don't follow the 911 truth movement but you think I do. You can read my posts and find my questions I'm not really interested.
I AM NOT a democrat.
You are so wrong about so many things in life.
Really I'm done with you. Too dumb for me. Sorry..
Move on please.
tommytowne 1 year ago
@tommytowne For not being "interested" you sure have responded quite a bit. And you say you don't follow the moronic 9/11 Truth movement... My guess is, you're an "independent", Ron Paul-supporter (most conspiracy theory tool bags are). Most people like you also think the Holocaust never happened.
StrengthFromAbove83 1 year ago
@StrengthFromAbove83 How come you are always wrong dip shit? Ron Paul is a tool (The only true libertarians are anarchist communists.)and I would never deny the holocaust happened. You are fucking lame. No I am NOT a centrist or an independent. You have been dead fucking wrong about every stereotype you have thrown at me. But one thing I do know about you is you are a dip shit flag waiving patriotic republican douche bag and a fucking idiot.
tommytowne 1 year ago
@tommytowne I'm not a republican. if all you can do is call me names, that doesn't mean you know anything about me. 9/11 was done by al Qaeda. Terrorists attacked the US. It's that simple.
StrengthFromAbove83 1 year ago
@StrengthFromAbove83
It's not that simple you dumb fuck. You have ZERO BRAIN if you believe...
1) 2 Buildings get hit by planes, at different locations within the building AND BOTH FALL STRAIGHT DOWN INTO THEIR OWN FOOT PRINT and think that's natural.
2) a 45 ft plane hits a 77 ft building(Pentagon) on th first floor and LEAVES ONLY 25 FEET IN HEIGHT OF DAMAGE.
3) A plane hits the EARTH and IS PULVERIZED BY SOIL in PENNSYLVANIA.
Get a grip on reality.
isNOTrael 1 year ago
@isNOTrael the plane crash in pennsylvania had the inevitable terrorist passport survive when the rest where burnt to dust and also had a terrorist bandana survive totally unscathed.
God damn! these terrorist passports are indestructible!
They never could have been planted could they?
zenoist2 1 year ago
@isNOTrael footprint? lol... you obviously haven't watched the videos of them falling then. you can CLEARLY see that they didn't fall straight down.
You obviously don't know much about ballistics if you think the plane would have to leave the EXACT SAME size hole as the dimensions of the plane. That's impossible unless the plane was solid or if it wasn't made of aluminum.
I have a grip on reality and over 8 years of military experience in 2 branches. Dealing with explosives and aircraft.
StrengthFromAbove83 1 year ago
@StrengthFromAbove83
You have ZERO GRIP OF SCIENCE, it's simple math ASSHOLE. If a 45 foot plane hits a 77ft in height BUILDING on the first floor, HOW MUCH FACADE DAMAGE SHOULD THE BUILDING HAVE DICK FACE?
isNOTrael 1 year ago
@StrengthFromAbove83
I will leave you with this ASSHOLE, there are over 8 MILLION MUSLIMS IN THE USA, over 800k in NYC alone and YET THERE HAS NOT BEEN ONE ATTACK IN 9 years.
On top of that there are over 1 million illegals crossing the border EVERY YEAR and STILL NOT ONE ATTACK.
You can't stop crime ITS IMPOSSIBLE, so how the fuck are you going to stop TERRORISM if it happened here already?
Terrorism is NOT ONLY IN A PLANE DICKFACE, it can be anywhere, car, building, drive by ANYTHING!
isNOTrael 1 year ago
@isNOTrael ISLAM is a religious ideology. You ever read the Qur'an for yourself? The first half is about peace. The second half is about murdering the innocent.
You think I don't know about terrorism? LMAO! I take classes on it!
StrengthFromAbove83 1 year ago
Respond to this video...
Have you not read the OLD AND NEW TESTAMENT? Why don't you ask ALL OF THE AMERICAS NATIVES what CHRISTIANITY DID TO IT.
You are pathetic scum really. I mean who else would compare ISLAM TO MURDEROUS CHRISTIANITY.
Um the NAZIS WERE WHAT?
The Crusaders were what?
The Conquistors were what?
Why don't you ask the japanese who got TWO NUCLEAR BOMBS DROPPED ON THEM what they think of your christianity.
isNOTrael 1 year ago
@StrengthFromAbove83
Or maybe you can ASK THE 7 MILLION VIETNAMESE what "Christian" America did to it?
Do you really want to debate me SCUMBAG? You will loose....
isNOTrael 1 year ago
@StrengthFromAbove83
Last time I checked over 80% of the current INMATES in america are christian.
The murder rates in Islamic nations DWARFS Americas by 1000%.
Jesus you are one dumb son of a bitch.
isNOTrael 1 year ago
@StrengthFromAbove83
Let's see if they are teaching you the truth bitch, DID THE FBI BUILD THE BOMB USED IN THE 1993 WTC ATTACKS?
isNOTrael 1 year ago
@StrengthFromAbove83
Here's something for your "ballistic brain".....This is right from the ASCE report on the pentagon attack.
"The height of the damage to the facade of the building was
much less than the height of the aircraft’s tail. At approximately
45 ft, the tail height was nearly as tall as the first four floors of the
building. Obvious visible damage extended only over the lowest
two floors, to approximately 25 ft above grade."
Can you explain how can this happen?
isNOTrael 1 year ago
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@isNOTrael and? that all you got???
StrengthFromAbove83 1 year ago
This MORON says jet fuel will not ignite??? I've served in the USAF before my Army service... YES, JP8 and similar chemicals WILL ignite... it does not TAKE MUCH... THEY'VE showed MANY airline crash scenarios... the aircraft catches fire... EASILY.... These morons need to look things up.
StrengthFromAbove83 1 year ago
What a bunch of fucking retarded comments,wanna be scientists and what not.
You are just to fucking small of a human,afraid and weak as persons, to accept the facts as presented. Thankfully you ppl are statistically getting fewer by the day!
kongenjens 1 year ago
lol tommy,i read your comments,you seem like an educated person.do you really think a group of elite ex-soldiers would murder civilians?and how do you distinguish insurgants from civilians?alot of our militarys errors are blamed on blackwater dont believe everything the media feeds you.the men involved with that incident your thinking of are no longer involved with Blackwater.Blackwater is always looking for patriots willing to stand up for our best interests.join and see what its all about.
gogetter690 1 year ago
@gogetter690 Yes. Nazi soldiers killed millions. They were just humans obeying orders and they believe their cause. Collateral damage is easy to accept . Our military is not in the middle east for my best interest. Veterans are not heroes. Orgs like blackwater are USA hired terrorists. Please do not pretend not to know my argument. I know yours.
tommytowne 1 year ago
@tommytowne -when our govt dropped the ball in new orleans, who was there to stop the looting? Blackwater.i would be more concerned about all the red tape and the fact our govt cant get the job done.our soldiers hands are tied, Blackwater steps in and fufils a contract plain and simple. do some research,find out what its all about.i hear your argument, and its a good one. but your being fed wrong info by the media. i dont agree with war, but there is a job to be done.Blackwater is the answer.
gogetter690 1 year ago
@gogetter690 WRONG! I was IN New Orleans mobilized. The MAYOR of NEW ORLEANs is the one who dropped the damn ball by REFUSING HELP! forget that little tid bit?
StrengthFromAbove83 1 year ago
@StrengthFromAbove83 - lol yes the mayor was to blame. facts are facts, cant dispute that. fact is Blackwater was there also. I have lots of nifty pics if you need proof. stand down soldier, we are on the same team. i never said our soldiers were not doing their job, i said the govt ties your hands. if they would let you do your jobs, this would be over.i cant stand to hear ignorant people like our friend tommy talk bad about Blackwater. He knows nothing. freedom comes with a price.
gogetter690 1 year ago
@gogetter690 yes. BW was there. They were guarding our compound. Crime dropped 60%, the Russian mafia, and Triads left during the time that 19th Special Forces Group (Airborne) was providing security for residents moving back. Yes, that's right.... the gov DOES tie our hands. Freedom comes with a price... SO DOES INTELLIGENCE... it comes from experience, logic, and perseverance to READ ON YOUR OWN, not read what someone TOLD YOU TO READ.
StrengthFromAbove83 1 year ago
@StrengthFromAbove83 -read on my own? or were you speaking in general?
gogetter690 1 year ago
@tommytowne STFU you ignorant MORON! Blackwater is a group of highly trained VETERANS.... and yes, veterans who have seen combat... are heroes. They give morons like YOU the right to spread lies like you do.
StrengthFromAbove83 1 year ago
@StrengthFromAbove83 -well said! you servicemen and women are heroes too, dont forget that! some of these folks sit on their couches and think little of their freedom.they should grow some, and go out on just one assignment. seperate the men from the boys.keep in mind, all they know is what media feeds them.
gogetter690 1 year ago
@StrengthFromAbove83 You think you are protecting my rights and freedom but you are just fighting for the corporations. My rights and freedoms have nothing to do with you blackwater thugs. You have been fooled.
tommytowne 1 year ago
@tommytowne I never have worked for BW. I don't work for a corporation. I sacrifice time out of my life so you can run your mouth. What have YOU done with your life?
StrengthFromAbove83 1 year ago
@StrengthFromAbove83 You sacrifice no time for me so you can save your holier than thou ridiculous attitude. I have done plenty with my life you self righteous retard. You make yourself sound like a chump.
I don't buy into the whole people in the military are fighting for my rights and freedumbs so you can save your state propaganda. They don't fight for me or my family.
tommytowne 1 year ago
@tommytowne state propaganda? LMAO! ohhh right... since the dems JUST LOVE and support the military.... right? Yeah. sure. I'm nothing but a chump. LOL. Coming from a guy that think the ALMIGHTY GOVERNMENT did 9/11 and started a "false flag operation" war.
StrengthFromAbove83 1 year ago
@StrengthFromAbove83 I NEVER SAID "ALMIGHTY GOVERNMENT did 9/11 and started a "false flag operation" war. "
You are making shit up chump.
tommytowne 1 year ago
@tommytowne Do you believe 9/11 was done by terrorists using civilian airliners or controlled demo?
StrengthFromAbove83 1 year ago
@StrengthFromAbove83 Both. Everybody knows that. You need to do some reading.
tommytowne 1 year ago
@tommytowne WRONG. Only MORONS with no common sense or logic THINK that actually happened.
StrengthFromAbove83 1 year ago
@StrengthFromAbove83 I will go with the side the majority of scientists go with and that's controlled demolitions. Fuck the way you THINK
Oh BTW Why did WTC 7 Fall you Fucktard?
tommytowne 1 year ago
@tommytowne it was hit by the large perimeter columns of the Tower collapse. It was 400 ft away but the towers were more than 1300 ft tall. As the tower peeled open, it easily tilted over to reach building 7.
StrengthFromAbove83 1 year ago
@tommytowne ww w (dot) debunking911 (dot) com/pull. htm
StrengthFromAbove83 1 year ago
@StrengthFromAbove83 YOU may not like the sources on that site, but it's just ONE of MANY that prove you wrong with pure logic. I have a lot more analyzed by physicists, engineers, etc... proving 9/11 Conspiracy peeps dead wrong. Ya know, you guys should probably apologize to the families of 9/11 and the families of soldiers that have died for the disrespect you show... THEY HAVE THE BLACK BOX RECORDINGS OF TERRORISTS ON THE AIRCRAFT SCREAMING IN ARABIC!
StrengthFromAbove83 1 year ago
@tommytowne You ever been to NYC and spoken to the firefighters? You should probably do that before running your mouth like all these other ignorant people. They'll tell you what they did and why and what it meant. You think they're going to lie? They know what they saw. WTC 7 was pulled DOWN BY a crane cable. NOT demo.
StrengthFromAbove83 1 year ago
@StrengthFromAbove83 Like I said I will go with what the scientific community says and there are plenty of firefighters who felt explosions below ground. There was also seismic activity.
Why does all of this bother you so much. Why must the official story be true? What does iot mean to you if it isn't how they said it want down?
So you belive the official story to the tee? You have faith or what?
tommytowne 1 year ago
@tommytowne yeah, large objects falling from the sky would feel like an explosion. duh. It's not about "the official story" it's about COMMON SENSE and LOGIC... it really isn't rocket science like people try to make it.
StrengthFromAbove83 1 year ago
@StrengthFromAbove83 You are arguing like a child. I am done unless you adress my points.
tommytowne 1 year ago
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@tommytowne I'm arguing like a child because you 9/11 Truth people don't have any common sense or logic and the MAJORITY of you also vote democrat... right.
StrengthFromAbove83 1 year ago
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@tommytowne fires. see this? fires. w ww.youtube.com/watch?v=Afb7eUHr64U
StrengthFromAbove83 1 year ago
It's amazing how limited the official studies were. Thermite is the smoking gun for sure but who did it?I think it was a private security group like blackwater or kaki. Thats the people we all need to keep an eye on is these huge private for hire thug armies owned by the top 2 capitalists. I nwonder what the Tea Party dip shits think of all of this?
tommytowne 1 year ago
@tommytowne -lol definately not blackwater, i assure you. blackwater is a group of true patriots, who cut through the red tape of politics, and get the job done.
gogetter690 1 year ago
@gogetter690 Backwater thugs are a bunch of civilian murdering terrorists and guns for hire.
tommytowne 1 year ago
@tommytowne ACTUALLY... they're experienced VETERANS that were in the military.
StrengthFromAbove83 1 year ago
@StrengthFromAbove83 You call them Veterans I call them Terrorists.
You call them insurgents I call them freedom fighters.
For fucking real and there are a shit load of Americans who feel the same way as me.
tommytowne 1 year ago
@tommytowne EXCUSE ME? You're calling men that I've served with... terrorists???? Son, there is a HUGE DIFFERENCE between a freedom fighter and a terrorist.... IT'S THE TACTICS! You've obviously never taken any counter-terrorism classes in your entire life! YOu don't even know what a terrorist is. That much is evident. Just because there are MULTIPLE stupid people in the country doesn't mean you're right. keep that in mind.
StrengthFromAbove83 1 year ago
Terrorists get what they want (or try) by murdering innocent civilians, trying to force/recruit people to join their cause through political means (exploiting the media).... etc etc... it's not about FREEDOM you spoon-fed tool. It's about GAINING POWER for them. If you've ever been IN the military you'd know this by their tactics employed. You are an uneducated IGNORANT, ARROGANT FOOL!
StrengthFromAbove83 1 year ago
And btw Mythbusters did a great show on this and 100% disproved this BS.
I'm afraid i have to go this is just cracking me up.
gukonni 1 year ago
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The mythbusters you mention never happened. You are a liar.
tommytowne 1 year ago
Notice how he is 2000F. Steel melts at 2600. There're witness reports of 1000 - 1500, but there's no evidence for 2600F temperatures. That's a FACT. Take it to the bank.
gukonni 1 year ago
@gukonni witness reports estimated the heat you donkey.
tommytowne 1 year ago
Thats right. NIST says NO evidence for molten steel because THERE'S NO EVIDENCE. Witness testimony is NOT evidence. Give one solid shred of evidence and maybe this could be researched further. My opinion is that the conspiracy bandwagon has taken this to new pseudo-scientific extremes.
Welcome to the loony farm where every self-styled loon can become a professional crankster!
gukonni 1 year ago
@gukonni
thermite found in the dust is the only evidence you need....
911 was an inside job...
saxoniano 1 year ago
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ZEDSTODT 1 year ago
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ZEDSTODT 1 year ago
There are more than 50 Professional Structural & Civil Engineers who have signed the well-vetted AE911Truth petition calling for a new+independent investigation.
GruesomeTruth 1 year ago
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"Additonally, I am not saying they did not "look the other way" to VERY specific warnings.
IT GOES WAY BEYOND SIMPLY IGNORING A THREAT. But controlled demo and missiles is nonsensical. It could NEVER have been done logistically. And the Towers fell EXACTLY as they should have. As did Bldg 7.
BULLSHIT. I CAN THINK OF SEVERAL METHODS EMPLOYED IN THIS KIND OF OP & WTC7 COULDNT HAVE COLLAPSED THE WAY NIST CLAIMED. THIS OP IS THE ONE OF THE MOST DEVIOUS COVERUPS IN US HISTORY. GOD HELP US!
ZEDSTODT 1 year ago
Bush admin claimed Iraq War would only cost about $50 billion.. and oil revenue would pay for it along with reconstruction. A few years later, Nobel-Prize winning Economists estimated it would end up costing at least $3 TRILLION--but likely more. Now, after having been there an add'l few years, some estimates are in the $5 Trillion+ range.
Still, we should not dare to seriously question Bush's version of 9/11.
He & his admin did such a wonderful job preventing it, so hey.. they should know.
GruesomeTruth 1 year ago
We should just accept Bush & Cheney's version of 9/11 because they were 100% accurate re:
-Saddam being behind (at least partly) 9/11
-Saddam at least having affiliation with Al Qaeda
-Iraq having massive WMD's
-the story of Jessica Lynch (she herself bravely refuted)
-the story of how Pat Tillman was killed
-Anthrax attacks from Al Qaeda or other Islamic extremists (oops, turned out it was an American working in a bio-weapons lab)
-whether we Tortured people
-whether we spied illegally
etc etc
GruesomeTruth 1 year ago
Iraqi Liberation Act of 1998
CrazyRay7979 1 year ago
So why are some still here defending the official Conspiracy Theories if the alt-theories are not gaining ground & credence?
What a sad waste of one's seemingly valuable time.
It's been well over a year since the 9 scientists published their peer-reviewed paper, and to date--No published refutation.
NIST could only feebly question chain-of-custody--to which one of the authors (Dr. Jones, Physicist) responded, "Well, NIST has their own dust samples--why don't they do their own tests?"
Fini.
GruesomeTruth 1 year ago
@GruesomeTruth
The "official story" is being defended because of utter ignorance, incorrect science/physics and even greed by Truthers...the "alt-theories" are dying, but it's the people that are clueless to the facts, such as yourself, that keep repeating things that have been proven wrong
You apparently have no idea how stupid it is to think that the Jones&Co. paper is legitimate...and people don't publish refutations to crappy "science" papers, the paper is not worth anyone's time or effort
CrazyRay7979 1 year ago
One can only hope the shills are being paid well to post endlessly.
How sadly pathetic anyone would waste their own time in support of whichever 'official' conspiracy--supporting something that clearly does not need support by any non-paid shill.
9 Scientists researched multiple dust samples (with solid chain-of-evidence) & co-authored a peer-reviewed paper published in an open journal.
It takes Confidence to publish in an Open Journal because then Anyone can read+analyze your work for FREE.
GruesomeTruth 1 year ago
@GruesomeTruth
The only pathetic people are you and the rest of the Truthers...supporting wacko Truther conspiracies that have gone nowhere in 9 YEARS...Truthers have had 9 years to produce ANY kind of evidence and have FAILED miserably...the best they can resort to are quotes taken out of context, hearsay, and baseless claims...
...Truthers don't even know how much their Truther "movement" has decreased in the past several years
CrazyRay7979 1 year ago
@GruesomeTruth
How funny of you to think that the Bentham article is legit...and to have the complete cluelessness to call it "confidence"...haha, more like getting it published on an online journal on a pay-to-publish website because nobody else would...
...and people did "read+analyze" it...especially the editor in chief, a nanomaterials professor, who resigned after the paper was published without permission
This will fill you in: /watch?v=p8kMW2jemWI
CrazyRay7979 1 year ago
1,304 Experts (among Other experts in other, non-architectural or engineering fields) & counting--adding several per day now!
Meanwhile--nothing but crickets as for verified signers supporting the official conspiracy theory. Wait, make that 'theories' since the officials can't get their multiple & conflicting theories straight.
GruesomeTruth 1 year ago
1,298 Professional Architects & Engineers have now signed the AE911Truth (dot) org site's petition. The number is surprisingly high considering only a tiny percentage of architects & engineers have heard of A&E's petition.
See the site for their qualifications.
Still no comparable list of signers supporting one of the [multiple & contradictory] 'official' conspiracy theories of how the 3 towers collapsed.
GruesomeTruth 1 year ago
@GruesomeTruth
Apparently you don't understand that A&E9/11 are a bunch of Truthers, it is a Truther group, their existence is only that to question 9/11...there is no "petition" for supporting the official story, it is moronic to think that...groups like the American Society of Civil Engineers (a REAL organization) and their 144,000 members have approved of the official story...
...and you fail to see that A&E9/11 only represents less than half of one percent of all US architects & engineers
CrazyRay7979 1 year ago
1,295 Professional Architects & Engineers have now signed a petition demanding a New & Independent investigation of 9/11.
The list is growing faster & faster as more experts hear about the hard evidence & solid analysis re how the 3 towers each collapsed utterly, symmetrically, and at nearly free-fall acceleration.
GruesomeTruth 1 year ago
@GruesomeTruth
So some Truthers are signing the petition to get their name on it, it doesn't mean that the number of Truthers are growing, just the number of people that have signed that petition...
What are their qualifications?
...and considering that there's over 3 million architects and engineers in the US, a less than .04%...that's less than a half of a percent...number of them thinking a certain way means absolutely nothing
CrazyRay7979 1 year ago
@CrazyRay7979 Additionally a lot of the Truther's are just people who want a new investigation (as I do), not people who believe the controlled demo nonsense. So the percentage who buy the controlled demo thins is minuscule, and almost zero Structural Engineers are on board.
There was clearly a political coverup of Pakistan ISI involvement, Saudi Royals, the Bush Admin's complete negligence to a point of absurdity,etc. But controlled demo is a joke to even consider.
atamalakolive 1 year ago
Over a thousand architects & engineers are in agreement regarding the controlled demolition as are millions of people around the world. As for a "clear" coverup by Pakistan ISI or Saudi Royals there isnt even proof that the Arabs were involved at all as little of the evidence was examined. You continue to make assertions that arent provable as if theyve been irrefutably established. Aaron Russo stated Rockefeller told him there was going to be an event that would enable martial law.
ZEDSTODT 1 year ago
@ZEDSTODT
Funny, "over a thousand architects & engineers" are NOTHING when you take into consideration that there's 3 MILLION architects and engineers in the US...you're just a fool, plain and simple...
CrazyRay7979 1 year ago
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Youre a pompous, impudent liar and a reprobate. There are millions of people around the world who see right through your twisted game. Its only a matter of time and time is on our side, not yours.
ZEDSTODT 1 year ago
Architects & Engineer's Truth site is now up to 1,291 verified signers.
Have yet to hear of any verified signer list supporting official conspiracy myth.
Oh, it would be difficult because which 'official' report do you support??
FEMA's? (they claim the floor-truss connections are extremely weak--leading to floors pan-caking.. ha!)
or
NIST's? (claim the floor-truss connections are extremely strong--much stronger than the vertical columns! -like tugging a leaf will bend & then snap a tree! ?)
GruesomeTruth 1 year ago
Who the fuck creates a YouTube channel dedicated to arguing over what cause 9/11?
People act like planes hit similar size/construction buildings all the time with no ill effects.
Face it: Planes hit the towers, planes felled them.
drizzt4418 1 year ago
@drizzt4418 No plane hit WTC7. It was brought down by controlled demolition. Face it.
ZEDSTODT 1 year ago
people ...wake up...
911 was an inside job ...
how can you doubt it?
saxoniano 1 year ago
If any one is looking for a smoking gun--there are many:
1--extremely high temps (incl molten metal) for many weeks in all 3 tower debris piles
2--indications of advanced incendiary (un-ignited chips) in multiple dust samples
3--testimony from Barry Jennings (in WTC7) & scores & scores of others.. firemen, policemen, tower office workers, etc.
4--whistle-blowers incl FBI agents Coleen Rowley & Sibel Edmonds, US Army Lt. Col. Anthony Shaffer, etc..
List goes on..
1,276 Professional A&E's.
GruesomeTruth 1 year ago
@GruesomeTruth
1. If by "extremely high" you mean the temperature of an average bonfire, then sure
2. The Jones paper is fallacious, or are you unaware of the Bentham fiasco? Bentham is a pay-to-publish online journal, it is not peer-reviewed
3. Nope, there's a small amount of them, Jennings also claims to have seen the towers standing hours after they fell
4. What about them?
1,276 Truthers of questionable backgrounds vs. collective architects and engineers who outnumber them by 2,350:1
CrazyRay7979 1 year ago
The vast majority of A&E's have not heard the details of Gage's (or comparable) presentation, so not at all surprising there's a relatively small overall percentage.
Can't sign a petition you've never heard of.
What IS truly shocking is that there are SO many professionals who Have signed Gage's petition.
Where's a well-vetted petition of signers who support whatever official (& contradictory) theory?
FEMA sez floor truss connections were wretchedly weak.
NIST sez they were super-strong.
GruesomeTruth 1 year ago
Turns out that NIST is not the only one making whopping errors--in their favor, of course.
Very simple percentage calculations show that 1,273 is .042% (not .0004% as some have claimed) of 3,000,000. Plug the numbers into the 2nd option here if you can't do your own math:
percentagecalculator (dot) net
So without calling names, Someone here--in rabid (perhaps paid) support of the most absurd conspiracy of all--has her math off by a factor of 100.
Pretty crazy, eh?
GruesomeTruth 1 year ago
@GruesomeTruth
Ok, in a rush, I goofed...so .042% then...still under one-half of one percent...a fraction...my point still stands...
...so the finding that is backed with FDNY facts & testimony, NYPD & emergency facts and testimonyeyewitness testimony, scientific data, engineering data, structural data, and just plain common sense is the "most absurd conspiracy", huh?
Truthers don't even have a "smoking gun"...Truther theories hold no proof, no Truther theory has ever been proven.
CrazyRay7979 1 year ago
1,273 Professional Architects & Engineers have now signed a well-vetted petition stating that a new & independent 9/11 investigation is needed.
How many professional architects & engineers have signed petitions supporting the Official Conspiracy Theories?
NIST ignored repeated FOIA (Freedom of Information Act) requests for documents, then stonewalled until a lawsuit forced them to begin releasing video & photographic evidence.
Clearly, NIST had a lot to hide. Many Gigs worth of evidence data.
GruesomeTruth 1 year ago
@GruesomeTruth Damned straight!! The NIST report is a deception & a fraud.
ZEDSTODT 1 year ago
@GruesomeTruth
You act like 1,273 is a large number...there are at least 3 million architects and engineers in the US...how's that .0004% of them working out for you?
A&E9/11 is a group of Truthers, they are not an official group of architects and/or engineers united for any other reason other than they ALREADY BELIEVE in a 9/11 conspiracy theory...now a real group, the American Society of Civil Engineers, with their 144,000 members, have approved the official story
CrazyRay7979 1 year ago
@CrazyRay7979 Why would it matter to you whether or not anyone believes that the Establishment alibi is false? Do you have a personal stake in the Middle east?
ZEDSTODT 1 year ago
@ZEDSTODT
Because it's ignorance, plain ignorance...Truthers think they have some inside information and that they're intelligent and informed when they're just ignorant and full of blind hatred...they bastardize the deaths of 3,000 people by whining about Bush and all the variations of their conspiracy theories...some Truthers even claim that the planes were holograms, that planes never hit the buildings, despite the thousands and thousands of people that personally saw the planes hit.
CrazyRay7979 1 year ago
Holograms? More of your phony strawman deflection. Thou doth protest too much and its giving away your deceptive motive for retorting so maliciously. Youre a liar. 9-11 is a false flag on a grand scale and the stakes are being revealed year by year. We dont possess any inside information and dont need to because the evidence is so blatantly clear. Its a case of the "Emperors New Clothes". That combined with your viscous smearing and the entire issue wreaks of massive coverup. Davin Coburn lied.
ZEDSTODT 1 year ago
@ZEDSTODT
Yes, holograms...I have heard it many times from Truthers...but it is a minority of Truthers, which are a minority of America
You THINK you possess inside information, you definitely do...you think you're better than everyone else and you think that REAL facts and scientific data can be disproven by some shitty false commentary over a video filmed on 9/11...the majority of Truther theories start with the usual, "you believe what the government tells you" crap, when it's not at all
CrazyRay7979 1 year ago
@ZEDSTODT
Holograms:
/watch?v=ek-Q0T9wK2g
/watch?v=q5NNh6WnVZo
Just "phony strawman deflection", huh? Moron
CrazyRay7979 1 year ago
@CrazyRay7979 Completely irrelevant to the topic in the video above. And yes your bullshit is merely a feeble attempt at strawman deflection. Dumbshit DePunker.
ZEDSTODT 1 year ago
@ZEDSTODT
You ASKED for the hologram stuff, dingus
CrazyRay7979 1 year ago
@CrazyRay7979 Wrong again dork. I dont request anything from the likes of you & you phony cover-up cohorts. Crawl back into that sewer you came from.
ZEDSTODT 1 year ago
@ZEDSTODT
YouTube Truther defense mechanisms:
1. Ignore facts
2. Accuse of being a shill
3. Repeat previous false information just proven inaccurate
CrazyRay7979 1 year ago
Lame-ass DePunker Defense Strategy
1) fabricate strawmans as pathetic excuses for facts.
2) Cast aspersions & adhoms mixed with demented ideations of controversial personal & mental issues even though thyve never met each other
3) Pretend their own sources are credible & viable while denying access or proof.
4) Accuse their opponents of using these same faulty tactics.
Meanwhile thousands of Americans are dead and actual criminal perpetrators evade justice with the aid of these DePunkers.
ZEDSTODT 1 year ago
@ZEDSTODT
The Truther Offensive Strategy:
1. Use any quotes against a conspiracy theory out of context so as to appear on the Truther side (example: Mike Walter quote)
2. Ignore all debunking(s), keep bringing up old arguments (ex: angled cuts done by cleanup crews)
3. Pretend their own sources are credible & viable while denying access or proof.
4. Make statements without fact, carry on like a bratty child
5. Make money so you can get more attention & spread more lies (ex: Loose Change)
CrazyRay7979 1 year ago
@CrazyRay7979 Perfect tantrum of that of an pre-adolescent child. I rest my case.
ZEDSTODT 1 year ago
@ZEDSTODT
Still waiting for you to counter ANY of my points
CrazyRay7979 1 year ago
@CrazyRay7979 You cant read? The only points you have are on top of your head.
ZEDSTODT 1 year ago
@ZEDSTODT
Still waiting...stop stalling
CrazyRay7979 1 year ago