The Allegory of the Cave - Plato

[Rice4Lif3]

plato is philosophy and philosophy is plato

[GodlikePlaylist]

epic. well done.

[081971jt]

Love it love it love it. I am a Philosophy professor and will show it to my class.

[himynameisbede]

"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free."

- Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

[BetWinston]

@himynameisbede ahh i love Goethe. He has some really great points.

[himynameisbede]

@BetWinston 1/2 Ha, thank you. Yeah I thought it seemed quite fitting. Although, I don't think its the best way to see things. I can't think of any quote to encapsulate this idea but... I read about a guy in East Asia, who lost both his legs and was forced to stay in this hut by himself. Apparently he went through great suffering of the mind but eventually became enlightened (as in, the teachings of Eckhart Tolle and other spiritual gurus), and if it wasn't for his imprisonment he would never

[himynameisbede]

@BetWinston 2/2 have looked within to find salvation. I realise that the difference between the Allegory of the Cave and this story is that in one, the prisoners don't know of their plight and in the other the guy does. But plenty of people have found happiness through a healthy spiritual state, while being unaware of any imprisonment - so I'm not sure if being enslaved really matters? Or is even something that can be afflicted onto you without your inner self allowing it?

[BetWinston]

@himynameisbede You bring up an interesting take, you say "But plenty of people have found happiness through a healthy spiritual state" even if they were imprisoned but unaware. Does that mean that enlightenment is a state of mind like the amputee experienced and not something that comes from sensory understanding like the man who left the cave? Could he have found enlightenment without new information? Plato wants us to understand the value of new information and questioning the present as itis

[himynameisbede]

@BetWinston Exactly, you can find enlightenment and happiness without learning new information therefore I pose the question, does leaving the cave really matter? No. It doesn't sound right to think there is no value in finding new information as well though. What it is though, I'm not sure

[TheSubject117]

12/21/2012 The day we are removed from the cave...

[miedo811]

It is Plato's way to explain the idea of the idea-world were everything is more beautiful, where we have been before we were born and we will go when we die. In the idea-world everything is more beautiful but we can't make a picture of it because we can't imagine it or explain it to others.

That is what this story is about, difficult stuff in a more simple kind of way.

Nice video btw.

[aurelliacornellia]

Very good - Nothing like the text though . Ancient Greek thought is like the sun.

[got0jah0rasta]

in the beginning they tell the prisoners have been there all their lives.. i dont suppose they learned how to talk, and they could have never learned how to talk from the people walking on the brigde.. at the end of the video the prisoner who was set free, goes back and tells his friends about the outside world.. how could they communicate? no troll, just something i noticed xD love the vid, and totally get the idea behind the allegory ;]

[TheHofdingi]

Some key points are absent, but overall was exciting!

[xvlGRLMGRLNlvx]

I feel like a lot of people are missing the bigger picture... It would have been much better if they showed someone come out of [the cave of the real world] just as the prisoner came out of [the cave of the imprisoned world], and even possibly coming out of [the cave of the cave of the real world].

[HeavenlyMurder]

i LOVE ur annimation....BUUUT u missed alot of keey points

[TheBrokenTelescope]

i had to read this today, it didnt make any sense until i read it twice, but this video made it as clear as day, thanks

[JointHeirInChrist]

It's about the lack of belief in the supernatural world from the perspective of people trapped in this worlds mindset (which we all are) The man who escaped was one who passed, and his message inaudible because of the difference between the two worlds, The whole point is that we can not write-off the existence of something more (life after death, the supernatural, God) from our extremely limited perspective because it is impossible to make an educated decision.

[willifeared]

ironic... the allegory was written by plato, and appears to be made of a substance like.... PLAYDOUGH!!!! BWAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

[umm1024]

Fantastic work my friend

[kelsiibabex3]

So very true... The only way to show the light to prisoners is to break their chains and set them free

[tikkaritikkari]

took time to get used to the dimness of the cave, the other prisoners thought he had just gotten dumber since he didn't recognise the shadows aswell as he used to, so they didn't want to listen to him. in this one he just speaks with almost like a new language, the other can't understand him. im an atheist, but i wish i could some day achieve true enlightenment, maybe i shoul try meditation etc to help me.. and sorry for my grammar & spelling & punctuation, not a native speaker....

[anmllvr234]

@tikkaritikkari you dont have to be an atheist. you look for evidence to believe. just believe out of faith

[tikkaritikkari]

tried to explain with this, is how most people live theri lifes. only a few fortune ones can really achieve enlightenment and see the world as it really is, others can only see the illusion of reality and can't even dream about anything more real than that. it's very hard for enlightened people to teach others how the world really appears to them and how they can achive enlightement aswell. in an other video the enlightened one returned to the cave to share his experiences, but because his eyes

[tikkaritikkari]

i find it quite surprising so many ppl havent heard about this allegory before. ive wathed a couple videos trying to explain this and red multiple comments from people trying to or not understanding what this even tries to explain. i heard about this the first time in a psychology lesson when i was 12 years old and my psychology teachers had refferd to it countless times after that. maybe finnish education system really is the best hehe... but yes i was told and therefore i believe what Platon

[freezeframehigh5]

I needed to study this story for a school project and your video was a really helpful to start to learning about it,

Thank you!

[Susanvan37]

This morality message works both ways: People who grow up chained to god-belief can be told the truth, but they won't listen to those who bring them the light of reality because they are comfortable with their chains.

You can spin stuff any way you want. The question for Plato and those who think he was so wise is why does it make you feel better to think other people aren't as "enlightened" as you are? Pick your beliefs, live happy, stop putting other people down.

[kkonstantinosss2]

An unimportant point, Greece is not like this, it's so much more beautiful this is like the Sahara desert in Egypt, we are on the other side of the equator! close but nonetheless completely different....

Source" Greek

[giannhsp222]

@kkonstantinosss2 the video didnt say that the prisoners are in Greece... Although Plato is from Greece. It is an imaginary  situation in an imaginary place

[lirahlaine]

genius.

[MrCaleb]

The ways of God are foolishness to the unenlightened.

[g540flip]

Isnt it just that we society only see what those in power want us to see.. ?

[tripwire80]

wake up america, enough is enough

[sockrocker117]

@tripwire80 lol

[jimmayl1]

Maybe it's an unimportant point, but are the prisoners able to see each other, or just speak to each other?

[Laerthor]

@jimmayl1 the way i see it, the prisoners can always see and talk to each other. and because they see each other as these distorted images and communicate with the same recognition that they are; and after some time each believe they are the distorted image they see of themself on the wall.

[TheFactoryOfLight]

@Laerthor They are not likely to speak to each other- if they share the same experience, what would they communicate anyways? Communication is based on experience, which is personal... but if they share the same exact experience, they are not likely to communicate with each other, are they?

[kkonstantinosss2]

@Laerthor You are in error, the prisoners cannot look at nothing except for the wall, the prisoners can speak to each other and converse about the shadows, the released prisoner has to eventually argue with them about the shadows, and he is laughed at by the prisoners.

Source: Greek

[ajOzvjezDica]

@jimmayl1 their heads are chained also, so that they can't see each other or speak to each other... ( History of Philosophy by Boris Kalin )

[Beeseesee]

this is really awesome.

a video made in clay, telling a story created by plato... ironic

[mayurv23]

the song in the end sounds like a bollywood song called "kajare re" ..lol

[TheFlumpa]

I want to make love to the narrator's voice.

[eROCtele]

this is fuckin creepy as shit

[VitaminTMan]

:( Missed all the important parts about how the world would be revealed to the prisoner (because of the blinding light he would see things gradually, each of the things he sees is symbolic of something) and how the prisoners would try to kill him upon his return. Not a bad abridged version though, very good animations.

[KidsWithGuns1992]

Good allegory.

[bladderfish]

Absolutely pointless...

[Laerthor]

Just like your comment.

[bladderfish]

And what point was "Just like your comment" supose to make? Pointless chatter.. just like the original... hehehehehe

[bladderfish]

But thats ok.. pointless chatter I suppose is better than no chatter... at least rodents would agree.

[MsNovah]

@Laerthor : excuse me!its not pointless!.didnt u get the meaning of it??or i should say the logic of it??Plato's trying to tell us something about the reality and the unreality of the world..just try to listen carefully and understand d meaning..

[Laerthor]

@MsNovah I see it as Plato's about the difficulty of trying to communicate the nature of life with all the prisoners around him, though you can find many meanings from it. It's not a perfect alegory, as the prisoners can walk out whenever that's their main desire. But it's Plato's unique description on life and I like it.

[MsNovah]

@Laerthor ..so thats it.,

[sockrocker117]

@Laerthor @bladderfish nah, it's a representation of something. the world we perceive is made through our senses. But our senses are only representations of outside data. A tree doesn't really look like anything, it simply IS something, like data, that our eyes give shape to. Plato believed in some perfect realm outside of human comprehension, where reality wasn't represented, but actually experienced directly.

[sockrocker117]

@bladderfish nah, it's a representation of something. the world we perceive is made through our senses. But our senses are only representations of outside data. A tree doesn't really look like anything, it simply IS something, like data, that our eyes give shape to. Plato believed in some perfect realm outside of human comprehension, where reality wasn't represented, but actually experienced directly.

[pdiddles03]

@bladderfish I think he's one of the prisoners who head can't turn.

[lauradimitra]

@bladderfish what is pointless?u know what allegory means?

[amxrtdket]

Narrator has a great voice.

[beozer]

love it

[stludachris]

to experience the outside world for the first time I guess the prisoner must have been chained up pretty young

[DogmaticDestruction]

Good shit. But claymation is so gay.

[Laerthor]

The Gogs beg to differ.

[d3adpoet]

Very exciting. Now to find the right time to tell it :)

[TimUrgent]

holy fuck.

[The4LA2Baker0]

nice! my dad told me this when i was like 6 to make me more aware of different world perspectives. Great to see it visualized.

[Hopeless03]

You have an awesome father :)

[seeley18]

Amazing