radio control DC3 crash

[maca15551]

Way to windy to fly

[darrindwp]

Low air speed = stall

Recovery then = over correction

[M2Eventworks]

All this technical talk! Here's how you explain it to the average enthusiast... There is two problems here, the center of gravity needs to move more to the front and there was entirely too much wind to be flying that. It probably fly's like a dream when those two issues are resolved... YOu can tell there was gusty wind and you can hear it on the camera!

[M2Eventworks]

@M2Eventworks And hey, great try! Don't let anyone give you shit.. I crashed a plane of mine recently due to high winds...

[bongose]

Is this a TOPFLITE kit? Is yes, could you tell me where you had the CG when it crashed? I'm building one and it's nearly finished...

[kailuaboy89]

heck fly that bitch...no shelf queens! and that was an easy crash n fix! thats what god made epoxy for! yeah woo hooo!!

[balls2yourface]

I just ordered one from tower hobbies and after watching this i'm not sure weather it's have a maiden or just be a shelf queen. great looking plane shame to crash it.

[kejerith]

i have the same plane, havent flown it but my cousin have and it is a very stable plane. I dont think u got the same power in your engine as i got, or your very low on the throttle when taking off. Anyway your plane is beautiful, hope your still flying it.

[MrHelidude]

Sorry that you had that mishap. Great effort trying to fly the plane .............. :-)

[horseside2002]

It looks the C.G of the airplane was incorrect, too afterward.

[cherokeenut]

@horseside2002 I agree, looks too tail heavy and it tip stalled.

[MrCriticOfAll]

And the crowd goes wild with applause.Thanks for teaching me not to fly model aircraft in high wind.Man WHAT WERE YOU THINKING?

[martinjeff2]

the real one was crap also !

[milano61]

@martinjeff2 The Douglas DC-3 was a very successful design. Designed over 75 years ago, it is still hard to beat for speed, load carrying, range, and economy of operation. It's introduction to airline operation allowed operators to haul passengers and make money for the first time. It was fast, comfortable, and fairly quiet compared to previous designs. I took many flights in DC-3s around the Hawaiian Islands, the last around 1958 with Aloha Airlines, leaving many fond memories.Historic airplane

[pete2778]

Interesting vid, you demonstrated a high speed stall, snapping into an incipient spin. Shortly before the crash, the model's diving & you can see that it's got plenty of airspeed so you reduce the forward pressure on the elevator and the model pitches up violently into a high speed stall. This is a useful demonstration that a wing stalls when the angle of the airflow being impinged upon it exceeds a critical limit. Stall isn't just a function of airspeed. Hope the repairs go well.

[rcmonster99]

@pete2778 Thanks for the explanation other than having dodgy thumbs 

[zero00tolerance]

@pete2778 you talk like an engineer or someone really know about aerodynamics ..

[pete2778]

@zero00tolerance. Thank you, I am the former and I like to think also the latter.

[zero00tolerance]

@pete2778 Im sorry i dont get that could you please explain your phrase please, my english is not as good.

[pete2778]

@zero00tolerance, sorry, I am an engineer and an amatuer full-sized pilot and model aircraft designer so I like to think I have an understanding of aerodynamics!

[Apocolypsenow1]

@pete2778 High speed stall???? Naaaahhhaa..... It's just a simple problem, CG is too far backward. Hope it's fixed soon, such a beautiful airplane.

[pete2778]

@Apocolypsenow1. You are correct, the C of G was too far aft, this is why the model was unstable longitudinally & hence responded to the elevator rather too rapidly & effectively to be controllable. The rapid pitch changes were due to pilot induced oscillations (P.I.O.). The pitch up & wing drop ARE a high speed stall/incipient spin caused by an aft c of g. Correct, the root cause of the crash was obviously an aft C of G, the result of the aft C of G was a high speed stall, as I commented.

[Apocolypsenow1]

@pete2778 Make sense, thank you for your futher explanation.

[fhhuber506771]

Crank the ailerons up slightly to give it a bit of washout. Prevent the tips from stalling before the center and it won't get in as much trouble as fast.

Program +/-10% flaperons and you can adjust in flight

Use this trick to cure a "tippy" aircraft.

Its so useful that I use it all the time.

[lowtus7]

Nose heavy planes fly badly, tail heavy planes fly once! As a general rule, the Cog should be on or just in front of the fattest part of the wing, usually where the wing spar is located. Hope she flies well with corrected cog. Nice plane non the less.

[Sarpooll]

Looked like it had a high roll rate to me, plus wind...

[azezrtyuuiopqsdfghjk]

This is a wise lesson to learn. Never do 3D 5 feed above th eground! hahaha

[MrJoggl]

Very goood pilot, but you should have the richt COG!

[rcmonster99]

I think the difficulty is the thin wing tips. the wing tips have less authority to prevent a tip stall. Even with a certain amount of washout the tips wont be strong enough to drive the rest of the wing. the same happens with planes like the mosquito.

[chevy362000]

I love DC-3 planes they are so good looking, but it seem to me like they are very hard to fly.Mostly all of the DC-3 crashes on youtube appear to have the same problem. Low estability due the CG. In some planes you can move around the CG point a little bit without having acatastrofic results. What is that DC-3 makes it so difficult to fly?

[justlostagain]

Sorry to see that great looking model crash. Of course you will re-build and get the CG forward. Good luck and thanks for posting the vid for the rest of us to remind us to check CG carefully. (We all get complacent!) Don't worry bout the goofs who comment about your pilot skills, probably never even flown an Air Hog themselves.

Take care, GL with the re-maident.

[rcmonster99]

@justlostagain

Thanks for the kind words. I did have the re-maiden and it flew a few times, but very difficult. There was a wing warp that was too difficult to fix,

[adve26]

nICE AIRPLANE....BAD PILOT!!

[rcmonster99]

@adve26 I am not the best pilot but not the worst one ....

- I was bad because i did not spot the tail heavy issue

- I doubt anyone else could have done much better during the flight



[dkjens0705]

@rcmonster99 You just have to know how to fly a tail heavy airplane and it could have been saved, maybe.

[jamesyak52]

haha so damn tailheavy

[gfred4555]

omfg!!! u r the worst pilot ever

[rcmonster99]

@gfred4555 Cheers :-)

[nolifemerc]

@rcmonster99 lol

[AddDude23]

where do you find these

[givemetoast]

Beautiful DC-3! It looked tail heavy to me. Simple issue....devistating affect!

[Fredi2721]

whats that for a flight???

[fourwaterbum]

were there any survivors? haha,cool video

[Brainiac83]

worth every penny

[PaulJrSucks]

Looks like you had a ton of sheer.

[lazyinaz]

CoG is the easiest test ever

[bbjsw10]

@lazyinaz Yes but if supplied with wrong info not so easy. I had a model that the plans was over 2" off from what cg really was. Thank god it was summer and wheat was tall. 30 minutes of searching and no damage on plane.

[rcmonster99]

@lazyinaz yep and I thought I had it right but failed !!!

[Uilliam93]

Sorry, im a bit noobish in terms of planes... but is the dc3 a german model? im into world war 2, and it looks similiar to planes and stuff ive seen associated with germany.

[LANewell2]

You were fighting that thing the whole time. You did good getting it down like you did before it finally spun in.

[TheGalbortrix]

bye bye mr plane

[Lithoushine]

i saw you reallly worked for it! you did a great job for keeping it from stalling for a while. A+ pilot

[Mark2790]

I cant believe it didnt break into smaller pieces falling from that height

[DanielMadrigalC]

I share your feelings

[yupbrian]

every dc3 crash ive seen all seem to be tail heavy?? all that work

[cashpoboy]

Tail heavy. Why do so many of RC DC3s start and end so tail heavy. Seen more high speed stalls and stalls and stalls from DC3s not balanced properly. Shame because I know this takes a ton of work. I just don't get it.

[dattajack]

@cashpoboy so...where should the CG be placed on a DC-3? the one i am building (40 inchish wingspan) will have the CG at the back of the wing. one battery/receiver in the nose and one just behind the wing. that leaves the weight of the tail section to hold the back wheel down. any advice?

[FlightSimx97]

excerpt from FSX, "Stall Warning, Stall Warning" and im screaming, "SHUT THE FUCK UP AND FIX IT U PIECE OF SHIT AIRPLANE" LOLZ

[POOPCABOB]

It looked like it had more problems than just CG.

[FT59012]

rip xD

[GhillieSniper93]

STALL STALL STALL!!!

[elvarbuk]

that was an bad landing/Takeoff strip , im using asfalt

[maestrosVIP]

great looking!!! I feel sorry for the plane, good luck repairing it

[rcmonster99]

@maestrosVIP Oooh that was long time ago,,,, I fixed it, flew it a couple of times and ended up crashing it again. the wings were warped too....

It's in the skip !

[lupinmodz]

sounds like its really windy

[rcmonster99]

@lupinmodz it was not that bad , the mike on the camcorder makes it look feel worse than what it was

[GRAHAMAUS]

@snowtek72 and comments like yours give YouTube a bad name. By the way your caps lock key appears to be stuck down (maybe from too much drool). Oh, and learn to spell.

[rcmonster99]

@GRAHAMAUS yeah WHAT WAS ALL THAT ABOUT lol ...



[snowtek72]

@GRAHAMAUS just like every stupid american young dumb and for of shit hahaha hope the plane fly's well this time dumb ass good luck out

[rcmonster99]

@snowtek72 I guess some idiots don't know how to use a spell checker :-)

[bradporky16]

cool lookin model tho

[rcmonster99]

@bradporky16 It was . I fell in loe with it when i saw it first time. I always loved the dc3

[rcmonster99]

@bradporky16 It was . I always loved the DC3. too bad I blew it

[yada147258]

Cool I love to see these things crash and burn! Lol

[rcmonster99]

@yada147258 In a weird way, me too, I always enjoy a good crash ;-0

[MrJoggl]

oh that aircraft is really hard to fly it stalls always if you pull too hard

[Fastbikkel]

Nice one!

[MsDiman4ik]

хрень

[Polypropellor]

Tail heavy...that's all there is to it.

[rcmonster99]

@Polypropellor got it in one !

[andrewj2k]

it looked like it was so unstable in the air.. was it balanced? It looks like it was crazy hard to control, with or without wind

[natebot321]

After flying so much FSX I expected to see World Travel Airline paint :D

[rcmonster99]

@natebot321 lol

[lemonadeloverz]

@natebot321 thats funny I love FSX to

[rcmonster99]

@lemonadeloverz I spent a lot of hours in FS4.... loved it !

[natebot321]

@rcmonster99 Yeah quite an awesome Fligth Simulator. I've flown something like 300 hours on FSX

[wjpferr]

Wind! I have crashed 4 of my planes this way!

[ThelastSano]

You could have chosen another day to fly it, because the day you flew that plane was windy and you can see it is a building storm, see the clouds and feel the wind as if your feeling the nature i broke my R/C plane because of a windy day,i also gone out of control and bam, i some how landed by the left the gears are broken.

[wheelingdude12]

bad weather, doesn't mix with flying

[TheGreatFlyer]

It's the wind, isn't it?

[tighematthew]

hold on to it

[rcmonster99]

@tighematthew with what ? lol

[vonkiser]

wat the hell he flyin in that wind for anyway? what did he think was gonna happen?

[rcmonster99]

The wind was fine, straight down the runway and no gusts. the camera noise is bigger than the real force of the wind. A little breeze is good when testing a model, it helps on landings and take off. definitely tail heavy and warped wing. the warped wing was evident after the repaired model flew with the correct C of G

[vonkiser]

ahhh warped wing would do it..........yea it sounded like 15-20 mph wind......bummer about the plane

[zackychane]

the wind <.< and tail heavy

[eclipser2004]

It seemed a bit tail heavy. Is that so?

[rcmonster99]

Yes it was... but a warped wingtip did not help either

[TARSOUFPA]

dedo duro!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[techserv1028]

Just a crappy designed model. The pilot was OK. Maybe tried to climb out a little too steep for the amount of available power. Even after you lowered the nose it didn't help much. I think bad model more than any thing. Some of the kits are just to sell and they don't fly right. Sorry

[rcmonster99]

Thanks for the support on the "the pilot was OK" :-) the fact was the CG was too far back ... I am convinced I checked it ok. in fact, on the following flight (after repairs) I added A lot of lead in the front making sure I was a nose heavy. I flew ok but had a twist in the wing... so I got rid of the model and gave it away

[metastopheles]

yep, checking CG on tapers are a tad tricky ... actually a lot tricky.

?? was it a kit or scratch from plans ??

A warped tip wont help much either, I actually thought the engines where not tuned together when I first watched.

Pity though, the DC3 is a nice classic plan.

[thechoosendude]

Most people usually check C.G. before they fly it....

[rcmonster99]

I did...but obvioulsly it was wrong :-)

[thechoosendude]

LOL

Looks like it's flying much better since the repair. Good luck to you on many more flights!

[johnsoncuiChina]

so windy!

[bullsjewells24]

hey man how much does one of these cost

[rcmonster99]

I bought it for £50 second hand an I had to re-build it

[claytonjester]

good job pulling all the way back in a descending stall. SNAP ROLL FOR THE WIN! yeah this plane was definately not balanced at all.

[rcmonster99]

thanks. it was unstable and also found later that the wing tip was warped

[claytonjester]

well you know, i crashed my first plane last week, first in 7 years, it was an ARF, so i just trashed it, its just part of the hobby, but we learn from mistakes. i always wanted to know how that thing flew. i guess i know now.

[solomanaltar]

Ohh noo :( too windy day, and hardly repairable crash..

[SvenOkonomi]

No big loss. that plane looked like it flew like a pig. Almost ever turn made it tipstall.

[skinnywhop87]

there's a real one of these up in the mountains near my house, crashed back in the 1950's.... But virtually the whole plane is still there smashed to shit, even the engines are up there still

[drfgood84]

where do u live

[praveen24121]

Hey bro i would like to go see it cause it really interests me.

Where is this at?

[stavropulos]

whos the clown whos breathing is louder than the plane....Get your mouth off the mic lol

[gertnood]

LOL. Every time someone posts a crash video, a bunch of people start pissing at each other about the comments. "You're a dick" "No, YOU"RE a dick".. I love it.

If anything, the thing that bites scale modellers with DC-3's is the nose moment and the tendency to go shy with the ballast to get CG right. Maybe that;s the issue here, maybe not - maybe he had wash-in in the wings.. with those small round tips that's a big prob. Who knows?

It dorked, that's all there is to it, enjoy the show.

[superjboy]

bad designer is bad.

[pulseflyer69]

You know what they say, a nose heavy plane will fly poorly but a tail heavy plane will fly once.

[Hobinator17]

i dont get it

[pulseflyer69]

Ya know cause it will crash.

[Hobinator17]

i get that, but y would a nose heavy plane fly poorly?

[techserv1028]

@Hobinator17 Not enough vertical stabilizer area. Normally nose heavy is more stable.

[videocruzer]

@pulseflyer69 4 sure

[celo94]

lol

[bliglum]

shit that sucks, I had a model with the same paint scheme... but damn, that thing flew like shit! !! C. o. g sure does make a difference!!

[fmeriqui]

thats a shame... the plane was so beautiful«...

[Ignantredneck]

A...you didnt check the cg.

B...you went flying on a windy day.

C...your piloting skills suck even when good conditions exist.

D...youre a dumbfuck.

Haa Haaaaaa! ass.

[k57c57]

well you know the first four letters of the alphabet

[governmentcheese411]

what a fucking tool you are to talk shit about someone you don't even know you twat. WHERES YOUR VID OF YOUR EXPERT FLYING SKILLS. your the only dumb fuck i see.

[BOYCOT4YT]

Howard Hueghes turned in his grave :()

[mbzfolife]

this was funny as hell my advice to you is stay away from rc planes. You'd probably have better luck spending that kind of money at a casino instead on planes

[sheldonholy]

Dont comment on model plane videos unless you fly model planes.

[XBoeingCapt]

of course I fly them you idiot; I meant what I said you must be as stupid as this guy

[sheldonholy]

Have a look at model DC3s here, most of the videos will be of them crashing. I have seen a few of this kit, and most of them crash.

I think he is more clever than you, and have a look at a more recent video of his of it flying.

[XBoeingCapt]

ah, I don't know why I bother with this but.....his CG was too far aft understand>? I flew full size DC3 airplanes and have a ziroli DC3 which is bigger than this; it lifts off perfectly and flies very well. It does also bounce like the full scale plane on gusty days. Over and out.

[sheldonholy]

I feel the same, but i just dont like it when people act like a dick, this guy knows what he is doing, so why post that comment?

[XBoeingCapt]

you surely are an imbecile sir; if he knew what he was doing he would have checked his weight and balance before destroying his build. Why don't you go down to picadilly circus today and fly one of your foamies. Have a nice flight. Over and out.

[XBoeingCapt]

you went to the trouble of building a good looking DC3; painted it; equipped with fine electronics; YOU DIDN'T CHECK THE CG????? YOU MUST BE A BIRD BRAIN

[sheldonholy]

A lot of DC-3s have problems like this (models). GO COMMENT WHEN YOU CAN FLY A RC PLANE!

[GerbilEssences]

He did so well to counter the wind blowing on the model!

[chino185]

damn bad luck, but it could of been worst

[SuperNitroguy]

i just love this video it shows the true spirit of friends and having a good time.

[JimiKiwi]

Sounds to me like another mouth-breather camera man

[poitertoip]

immediately after reading that i heard loud breathing.

[STEVEsRCUNIVERSE]

ouch!

[mattb4rd]

Looked more like pilot error than a CG problem to me.

Nosed up into the wind then stalled.

Could have been a combination of bot CG and pilot error, though I wonder why someone would build such a great looking model and not double check the CG.

[pelagic6]

It looked like it was windy and rainy!!!

[ciril2010]

THIS MODEL IS SWEEEEEEEEET, I wish to have it, I would mount wireless camera in cocpit - lovely plane

[terry735001]

no look at it agin engin on the left is pulling hard so the engin on the right cut out or he did not have a rpm set the same

[jordan8705]

Looks like the cg was way too far aft. That sucks.

[CallumColinYoung]

wind dumb ass

[choosymoosy]

Omg why ! why! why!!! do you fly with hard wind

[Macsgrafs]

Try a heli next, more challenging ;))))

[blademaker22]

+5 for admitting your mistake instead of claiming radio interference :)

[sslusshy]

haha for real!

[an147]

It was also a very windy day. So hard to control an RC plane in those weather conditions.

[tailwheelflier]

you a noflying dude,,,little trigger happy with the elevator,,,you don't push and pull,,,you use pressure,,,,you crashed because of PIO!

[bryannastebbing]

as if m8 have you ever flown a plane you can tell its tail heavey, a plane with forward c of g flies badly but a rearward one never flies again

[sardosfish]

like a real in ww2

[videocruzer]

drag

[BKoffthehook]

Wow all that work , I tryed planes now I stick with boats they dont fall as hard.

[scaremenga]

they don't fall at all

[sslusshy]

No challenge in that!

[crowdaddy13]

now its a weedeater

[SGpro13]

too windy to fly in, good camera man though,

[phippsa3]

Should have tried to get the nose down. Unless you have bags of power in reserve its going to stall and fall out of the sky.

[giannisxxx]

nice aerobatics xD

[IK1963]

Center of gravity was too far back. That's why it snap rolled like an Edge 540, just before it crashed!

Better luck next time.

[AlexSlams]

Is Darth Vader filming this?

"I find your lack of flight disturbing..."

[PretentiousRetard]

Hahahaha