For a Dane, it is absolutely stunning to hear that people are actually against this. All you think about is that you have to give up money. How about the security you receive, is that not worth it? Also you will be supporting each other as a nation, thus becomming stronger as a whole. Somehow you think this will make socialism your new leading ideology and you're afraid of losing the individual in the process. I'm sorry, but it's stupid. You wont even notice the rise in taxes.
Finally America (the self-proclaimed greatest country in the world) provides free healthcare for all its citizens. Only 60 years behind every other western deocracy in the world. But of course some will still maintain that they have been right all along and the rest of the world was wrong - lol
USA is behind the western world in many things like: education, infrastructure, transportation system (train/bus), enviromental/going green...
Heck most Europeans dont beleieve in god or if we do we are not as strong about it as in usa where people just say nothing needs to be changed because god will fix and if we are about to die prayers will save us
this bill is phicaly great it brought great brittain out of resehion arfter the 2nd world war so the faer mungering is unfounded for economic dragging effects.
For those of you who call this bill a charity, you are wrong. This is a United effort between all Americans to make this bill work. In all seriousness, what is the alternative to this legislation? Go back to the way things where?
Why would anyone want to go backwards? We must move forward. This is a bipartisan bill. Both republicans and Democrats collectively made this bill a reality. So that all Americans benefit, I'm willing to contribute my part.
To the Republicans--right wing extremists! I got news for you. The Obama care passed through Congress. Its a done deal! It won't be repeeled.
If you are not happy with this Government than I'm afraid you'll just have to wait it out until 2012, and even then I predict an Obama/Biden/Hillary victory.
You had your time in office, and George Bush and the Republicans destroyed this once great nation. And I'm a Republican, but I am an Obama Supporter/Biden supporter. I'm like an Obama Republican.
Listen up rich conservative stiffs, stop bitching about how you are going to provide for your family. Damn, u make it sound like a little more in taxes is going to cripple you. You'll still earn enough to provide way above your means. Just do away with some of your personal luxuries, and stop thinking you are above the Government.
There are a lot of Americans that work three times as hard as the rich, yet we make less money. Does that make us inferior? Clearly not!
Listen up everybody. Lets do the math? Does anybody know how much this Obama Care plan will cost? And how much would each and everyone of us have to dish out per individual on a yearly basis?
Now calculate how much you would spend through private insurance? Which is going to be more costly in the long wrong? Private Insurance or the Obama care program? Can someone please help me understand which is the better deal?
But on the OBAMA care program, you won't be refused or dropped.
Listen up people. We all have our dilemmas over this health plan.
But its no different than having to pay car insurance. If you don't have insurance, you can't drive its as simple as that. Its the same with this new health plan. Its a law to benefit all, not just the elites.
Why are some Americans so stubborn and complacent to change? We are all human beings. Lets treat one another as such. Give up just a little bit of you earnings, and use it to benefit all of us.
So you need to oppose the individual mandate. It's unconstitutional. Repeal Obamacare. Don't let Obama sign an executive order granting amnesty to illegals. He doesn't care about the Constitution. If he grants amnesty he will be assassinated for sure.
It would be so nice if we never had to pay Taxes again. But sometimes we need to pay taxes to benefit all of us. You pay taxes collectively for schools, road repairs, garbage pickup, the police, fire dept, salting icy roads.
But what's so wrong in paying taxes so everybody can have healthcare? Why can't we for once invest in ourselves--not just materials. If we have no probs helping out schools, than lets do the same for health care.
I pay for services as rendered. Insurance is a waste of money. Why should we be forced to bailout insurance with insurance profits? Insurance profits have nothing to do with healthcare. True reform is gutting health insurance completely. We don't need third party intervention collectivism.
But what's the difference between paying health insurance out of your own pocket, or paying it through taxation? I'd know what I would rather want. I understand America's frustration, but some of those Health Insurance plans are nasty. I'm tired of personal healthcare being treated like a commercial product.
We are human beings for heaven's sake. We need a plan fairer to all.
I mean, do we want government intruding like this? I'm for the constitution and the bill of rights and I don't see how this bill fits it. I'm not hating here. This is just my view whether you agree or not.
Okay. I'm going to get serious here. It's not about whether we're left or right. (I'm a Libertarian anyway.) Or whether we support Obama or not. Forget all that and look at the bill for what it is. Why couldn't they just pass laws to make the insurance companies provide certain benefits instead? Why does the government have to take over? If they just passed the laws, it wouldn't have cost a dime really. Also, now, the government can dip into our bank accounts which. I'm saying what the hell?
honestly its not a government takeover. if anything its a insurance takeover. This crap, gives more customers to the insurance companies that are already making an obscene amount of profits by gouging up peoples premiums through the roof! Its absurd. And dude where can you find anything in the Constitution that this healthcare bill violates?
@tommytoo1 hmm... I didnt even know that. Aren't insurance companies still able to raise premiums through the roof like 3 times as much if you get sick?
i havent read anything about it, so i cant say. i about crapped when i read that. pre existing conditions was like the only thing both parties agreed on it seems, who knows? one thing for sure, man we got some problems with both sides. it i blatenly obvious to anyone. but today, with technology where it is, we are for sure gonna find out a lot of crap by both parties
Finally they got it done!! Already the real truth is coming out about this bill...Gallup Polls show Americans now favor the passage of this bill 49% to 40%...Repubs the LIE is over the majority of Americans are pleased to see this bill become law!! Congrats Mr. President, Pelosi and Reid!! America has won!!
Hey conservative americans. There can't exist a problem to pass a healthcare-law. Shame to all who are declaring it as to expensive! First stop being crazy in producing weapons and play cowboy on so many places in world. How much does this cost? Stop killing people, start to heal them. The American Dream is blind, if you don't see all the poor ones, whose money you decree as yours. The conservative way of American Dream is a nightmare for many many people...
My Son, a Jurus Doctor, that got an A in Constitutional law, says this HC bill will be shot down. The States case will be fast tracted to the Supreme Court and with the present cast of characters will be ruled unconstitutional. But we still need to "drain the swamp." Go to my channel comments and see who voted for this outrage and vote them out in Nov and in 2012.
@itisaduck i also got an A in constitutional law and I disagree. Did Bush ever care when what he did was deemed unconstitutional by the courts? I'll donate to all those who supported this bill.
@daderone, I guess we shall see what the court says about the violation of states rights, etc. The states will file after the President signs and it will end up fast tracked to the conservative supreme court. my son was right about DC and Chicago Gun issues before they were challenged. He feels the 2nd amendment will be written in stone in the SC this summer and then many laws will be judged uncon. He voted for Obama.
WE HAVE TO VOTE OUT EVERY LIBERAL! I used to be a liberal until I was out of college a few years and learned about our country and about how great our founding fathers were and what it was to be an American. I worked hard to succeed in life and live the American dream. And through my travels as an Artist/Musician got to see all countries. We have the greatest country in the world. I do not want to see it ruined by socialism. I've seen it 1st hand. We are free. Let's go Libertarian/Conservative!
can conservatives please stop trying to tell people what to do and whats going to happen. The last time we listend to you morons you almost destroyed this country with your brain dead economic and government philosophy. In other words just stfu already and deal with the realization that the majority of the world knows you're complete idiots.
@daderone Just like your little buddy, you have said nothing but insults and absolutley no political points. Why do you support the bill? What good will come of it? What bad will come of it?
That's right. The conservatives are war mongers. Has any republican ever contributed to health care. Nope, they only cut spending. Reagan cut medicare and lied about it.
Pension funds for veterans were also cut under a conservative government. Yes, liberals raise taxes, but they actually achieve a lot more in helping the big division between the rich and the poor. And I'm a Republican, but I am a liberal. I will switch to Democrat soon.
@pluto4847 To your reply to daderone.... Do you realize that Conservative Republicans donate 10x more money to charity than any other political party? But yet, we still dont do enough for you. Let me tell you something. I have been blessed with good finances my whole life. Do you know what my entire family does for christmas? Instead of buying eachother gifts, we take that money and pick a deserving charitable organization. Usually $3-5k So dont you dare say that we dont contribute.
@Hondaridr58 Are you done massaging your clit? Let me tell you something. You were blessed with good finances and by the guess of it probably not because you did anything in particular to earn or accumulate such wealth. Others should just have to count on your charity? Its all of our country, all of our government and thanks but no thanks 2 it only representing u & your blessing and generosity. I don't know what person wants their govt to sit back & say ehh the rich will donate 2 give u a shake.
the majority of people elected our President and while so much of our system is set up to benefit and protect you you can't stand when it tries to do the same for others with less. Save your bs and self backrubbing. I've donated as much as you to charities & organizations, and if not exactely certainly proportionately to income. I guess my friend should have to count on me to assure him healthcare rather than his own government.I guess he should have to count on my charity 2 pay his $10k bill
you want to send me a check to cover that hospital bill this Christmas? BTW he has a graduate degree and can't get a job. You gonna feed him, house him or just let him run more into debt? Let me know, I've got more than one friend and the funny thing is we're all going to pay for his bill because insurance companies are too worried about their bottom line 2 worry about protecting and giving quality affordable service to their clients, clients some of us refer to as the American Public/Citizenry.
@daderone Alright you self righteous twat, listen up. A: You are putting words in my mouth, and by the looks of it, you do it all the time to people. B: I have friends with next to nothing and medical issues worse than you can fucking imagine. Try brain cancer for 25 years, and six major strokes in the last five years. Oh yea, his wife who battled breast cancer for 10 years, died of leukimia last spring. His son, has brain cancer as well. Guess what? They couldn't afford ANYTHING.
Well that's why I support Obama. But its not just Obama as President. This healthcare reform bill means a lot to all Americans, but those who live above their means are only concerned with not having the best swimming pools or the best car. Material things are nice, but human life is more important. We won't have Universal coverage, but Obama will force insurance companies to cover us despite pre-existing conditions, or finances. And as long as we are all covered, that's good.
@Hondaridr58 and how did your charity go to solve these people's need for medical help and keep them from bankruptcy? How did it end up ensuring their access to health insurance when they needed it most? Next time you want to call someone a self rightous twat do it in front of a mirror bitch.
We now pay those bills. Oh yes, we bought him a home, a car, and now a caretaker. And yes you are right, I feel great about it. I am helping someone in need. So dont you FUCKING DARE talk to me like that you low life piece of shit. You really touched a nerve on that one. And you are one lucky son of a bitch that it was over the internet. You are a perfect example of one of the many many idiots in this nation that unfortunately are the majority. Go fuck yourself.
@Hondaridr58 and what do you suggest everybody who isn't friends with a wealthy trust fund friend like you? I meant to touch a nerve because you sound like an unsensitive egotistical piece of shit. I also used a personal example for a reason, on the aggregate millions of Americans are suffering with nobody to help them or protect them or their health. You helped one person, kudos. Now what about all the others you've been telling to fuck themselves?
@daderone Told who to fuck themselves? I donate a shitton of money every year you dipshit. IM the unsensitive, egotistical piece of shit here? Hmmm... Think things through before you type them, after all, you have plenty of time. Because all in all, you sound like a complete asshole right now.
@Hondaridr58 you charity doesn't compensate for the millions of people without access to health insurance moron. It doesn't save those who go bankrupt from hospital bills. Your charity regardless of how generous is not adequate to cover half of one person's needs, unfortunately nor is it an effective and reliable solution to the problems we have in America across the board. Not supporting reforms that ensure the protection of all is not only unAmerican it is selfish and unwise.
But is it a charity? I always thought a Charity was something an indivual chooses.
This is not a charity, but rather Government legislation. This is a hard one indeed.
I can't blame Obama for lack of trying.
But answer me this, would the Republicans have had a better plan? As far as I know, the Republicans would allow Insurance companies to do what they always did--rip people off.
But seriously, if the Republicans had a better plan, I'd go with their proposals.
@pluto4847 well what hondaridr promotes is a sole reliance of the masses on the charity of the rich. This i reject as not only absurd and batshit crazy but also on the grounds that in the year 2010 we recognize that this is not an effective or reliable solution to meet the needs of millions in need of help regarding health concerns. As u point out it also does nothing altering laws to protect citizens from going into bankruptcy or massive debt or do anything to assure them access to insurance.
I never said you did not contribute. I am a Republican (A liberal Republican in transission to Democrat) because I discovered I was being lied to by the Republican party--namely GW Bush! Weapons of mass descruction? Where? Did he ever find any?
Why can't we for once set aside our greed, and contribute to a common good. All of us contribute--from the rich and the poor.
If you needed health and could not afford it, we should all pitch in to help u get better. That's fair.
@pluto4847 of course its not just fair it is right. This country has made it and lead the way by pooling our collective resources to provide a better way of life for all. We've created the best country ever as a result. Hondaridr sounds like an asshole but I'd still gladly pay more taxes to make sure his family doesn't all eat out of trash cans because he had to go to the ER.
@pluto4847 i made the switch a few years ago. it was a gradual process. I have always had both liberal and conservative perspectives on government. Guess the Republicans don't mind bitting the bullet on my friend's hospital bill for trying to kill himself. Dont worry it'll only cost you $10k for an overnight in the hospital. Be glad he refused the second ekg right? I don't know what kind of country or person finds this the right approach to healthcare. Wish repubs had done more than interfere
YaaaaaaY the dems. figured out a way to provide healthcare for the Illegals now aren't all of you dumbasses proud of yourselves?? - now come at me like ya'll don't know what I'm talking about cuz all these Illegals have to do is make a birth certificate online just like your president did & make copies of SS cards & VOILA! they get healthcare too-C'mon ask yourselves do all of these people working at mcdonalds & walmart really have citizenship?? YOU DECIDE!! WHAT A HAPPY FRIGGIN DAY IN AMERICA!!
The Smirking Mac-Daddy has managed to dupe the American People once again (the first time was when he got elected). The time to pay the piper will come in this fall's elections....We will have our say, and we will say it LOUDLY.
In a bit of good news for you conservatives: It was just reported on ABC World News that (with the new reform bill) the cost of abortions from rape and incest births will be covered by the government.
Anyone who DOESN'T know how the NEW Healthcare system works read it before you give a Goddamned opinion. EVERY American will be FORCED to pay for Heatlth Insurance. If that American does NOT comply they will be fined 95.00 the first year. After that 700.00?? Yeah American the free my fucking ass. The Majority of Americans were AGAINST it yet they passed the Bill. The Gobvernment is supposed to be working for US not the other way around
Before this goes into full effect I need to finish college then get my family out of the country because at our income level even the lowest bracket will break us financially. Every penny we make goes to rent, food, or tuition, and we get help with our college tuition. What out great emperor, I mean president, has done is to FORCE a bill which is not only going to help starve myself and my family but also keep my family from being able to afford a better way of life.
@vaedryn after u graduate you won't have 2 pay tuition so that should help and u should be able to get a job that pays decent. Stop being so dramatic and realize if anything happend to anybody in your family you'd most likely be bankrupt.
Reading the comments of all the opposers of health care reform does reassure my assesment of the "american soul": Coward hysterical fearfull crybabies. A health care reform is the end of "your country"? Really? "Your country" seems to be a very fragile puny prissy little pipsquek, that a little reform can destroy it. What happened to "greatest nation on earth"? Seems you folks have more trust in the sanity of Glenn Beck than in the fundaments of your great nation. Grow some balls! And brains!
@ChristianNYC You think mandatory health care is communism? Congratulations, you have just proven my point: Opposers of health care reform are paranoid sissies. I guess you guys need night lights to sleep, otherwise the darkness makes you afraid of your own toes, which you could mistake for the ghost of Joseph Stalin, who came to eat your testicles.
Of course it is you MORON!! You knwo shit apparently. If the Majority of your Courty is AGINST the Bill and yet you FORCE it AGSINT of The People it is COMMUNISM you fucking asshole!!
@ChristianNYC Where do you have your definition for communism from? Apparantly from a Captain America Comic from 1953. I guess you also believe radioactivity can turn people into superheroes and that one could find the prefix number for Metropolis in a real phonebook.
You are so Obamified that you come off as a Dick. Do some research on WHY there is a Government in America in the first Place. Read the Declaration of Independence.
The Govermnent is FOR the People BY the People. The Majority of voters were AGAINST the Bill. They passed it ANYWAY!!!!! That is COMMUNISM. This Country is finished. But you sir are a dickhead and I am done talking to a retard,
@ChristianNYC Take a dictionary and look up the following terms: Representative Democracy, Parliamentary Democracy.
That you dont like a bill because Fox News told you it will turn your beer into poison and your face into your second ass and you are stupid enough to believe it, does not make the reform unconstitutional or undemocratic.
@daderone Why don't you shut the fuck you goddamn demoncrat, it is YOU types they will bring this country to it's knees. Go back to school and learn a few things
@ChristianNYC shut the fuck? how would one go about shutting the fuck? Like I said earlier moron, do yourself a favor and stop talking. It makes you look dumb. Its good advice, take it, God gave you 2 ears and one mouth for a reason.
@13otany13ay sorry please ignore the brain dead dumb fucks that say stupid shit like that. I agree, I don't know where the fuck these people live but I'm not even sure it is earth.
@13otany13ay I have to say, you have not made one single political point, all you have said is that ChristionNYC is an idiot..... So WHY do YOU support the bill? What good will come of it? What will the total cost be (Not just money)?
More people all over the world need to learn and demand Holistic medical practices. It is sad how we have been made to forget that who ever created the Earth, made it perfect for its inhabitants. Look at all the ANimals in the wild they live healthy lives unless killed off unnaturally by humans and their medling. Hemp cures cancer why dont more people know about this. Its just sad. Unless we learn the truth we will continue to get what we deserve. WE DESERVE BETTER.
Yay! You've...passed a bill forcing people to buy overpriced private sector health insurance from the same people your Presidents been deomonizing as evil bastards for 2 years now..er....well done...next you can eliminate homelessness by mandating people buy a house, eliminate poverty by mandating people have money...I never knew eliminating big social problems was so easy... Theres one good thing I suppose, the lunatic right will have egg on their face when theres no death panels.
@Vulturefood YOU IDIOT!!!!!!!!!!!!! You obviuosly no nothing of America. Probably Canadian or something. So you know nothing of freedom. We don't need the government involved in healthcare. It's been brainwashed in you that if you don't like something then the government has the right to take them away ie. your commints about guns. I don't own a gun but I don't have the right to tell someone they can't. You like being told what to do and how to live? try this one on SHUT UP
@Vulturefood I hope you become Vulturefood very soon. Because you represent everything that is going wrong in our country. You represent EXACTLY what out founding fathers, were trying to change. Yet you sit there, thinking that you are one of Obama's "Deciples" and that he will make everything better. Please take another good look at things.
(honda an American product right?) typical shit eater
I wouldn't care if the republican came out with the health care.they didn't
USA citizens NEEDED IT.
Capitalism is what is running the show.
you're only contributing to it you will never see the big money EVER.
That's why USA citizens need to cover their backs GENIUS..you will sleep in the streets very soon genius and i will be glad to pay for your health care with no problems.
The only people who are bitching about this are the poor people who have been relying on us who actually work to pay your bills. Thank god I won't have to do that any longer.
On Sunday March 21, 2010 will be known as the begining of Socialism in the United States. call it crying but when the tax for this bill starts rolling in and people begin to die because of this unjust bill remember you help create the monster named Barrack Husein Obama.... i really do not care if i spelled his name right because the day he got elected i had no president
@igoescrazy you are a complete nutter! Why would you wish pain and suffering on anyone regardless of their views and how different those views are to yours. What's wrong with you? Your wish won't come true, and please try to remember what you wished upon us when karma bites you on the ass and you are in pain and distress. God is watching you, asshole!! Go get laid, drink some beer and watch some sports....In short, get a life!!!!
@luminary39 Point well taken. All i can say is that our founding fathers left england because of religous percecution ( excuse my bad grammar ) because the government wanted to control what religion they practiced. Now it is the same thing but with healthcare. I find it funny that many people do not learn anything from history, it has been 234 years since we have wrote the decleration of independace but we find ourselfeves fighting the same political war.
You clearly don't understand the meaning of the word socialism. Forcing people to buy private healthcare when there isn't even a public insurance OPTION is not socialism, its corportism.
Call it crying but once you are laying in a hospital bed struggling to stay alive just remember you and millions of people have help create this monster.
America was the last greatest hope in the world. Now it has turned into socialism. for every 1 who has voted for Mr. Obama i wish nothing but pain and suffering. There has been thousands of men and women who have died for this country for trying to uphold the values of this great nation. With your ignorance for voting for Mr. Obama you have let those men and women die for no reason. I thank you people for ruining this country.
Republicans give me the impression that they will vote against everything since they are not elected as the majority power. I get the impression that people outside of USA can see the whole picture better than people within USA,. A healthcare reform according to those non-USA friends I know, seem to understand the problems besieging the crippling and inefficient USA health system and so reform is required. So it's not whether it shd be reformed, that's a no-brainer, it's "how" accdg to them.
Thank you President Obama! No American should ever have to go without healthcare! Just like no child should ever go without an education, that's why we have public school in America! Congratulations and Well Done!!
@daderone My business will be taxed more, my income will be taxed more, my girlfriends income can now be dictated by the government (she's a registered nurse), the IRS will have more power... My level of healthcare will decrease. We needed reform but this is a mess. There is nothing in this bill to be happy about!!!! I'm uninsured and still don't want this!!!!
@daderone Where will the Billions of dollars come from? Read the bill this is all in there. Please tell me why this plan is such a great idea or you can just call me more names.
@trevticks lol read the fucking bill yourself pussy. If you have a hard time understanding then hire a tutor I'm not here to explain every piece of legislation to the slow folk. I understand the bill fine, you seem not to. That to me seems like a personal problem you might want to correct.
Sorry I wouldn't spoon feed you, time to wear the big boy pants little man.
@daderone I have read the bill, I guess you missed that in my last comment. I understand what the bill will do. I was simply asking why you think that it's a good plan to implement. I see no reason why this bill is any good a all. I'm not sure why you keep trying to insult me. I have nothing against you personally, I don't even know you.
@daderone So all you have to bring to this discussion is name calling? I have posed some questions and concerns for discussion, you have done nothing. I'm done commenting here, I feel like I'm just feeding a troll. This is a horrible thing for our country.
Then why the hell did Obama send 30 thousand more kids over to Afghanistan? He is no better than Bush. Obama is killing us. We're all in serious trouble now, but that's what happens when there is serious corruption in the leadership and in the society. Our country is doomed.
Because his general asked for more troops to ease the strain on the forces already there perhaps? To ensure stability and superiority in a region that was being threatened and defended by war-weary soldiers already? Hopefully it'll be over by 2011 - and most will come home, including our canadian troops. It will take YEARS to unravel the mess Bush got you into. Obama is the man to do it.
Your country was already doomed when Bush continued his reign in the 2nd term. And who re-elected him to the incredulity of the world? Americans, or specifically speaking, USA. Preoccupation with 2 wars that have no positive outcomes and a huge deficit are Bush legacy to the USA. Obama, well he's stupid enough to take over a crippling economy with a nation of people who can't think right and politicians who play blame games rather than hunker down and provide solutions. Who benefits? China.
@OAKTOWN61 Doesnt it make you think that maybe there IS something happening over there that we need to deal with? Considering that he said during his campaign that he would have every single troop out of Iraq within his first 90 days of office, Over a year later.... 20,000 more troops are there now then there was when he entered office.
@kunjidee Right, a trillion dollars wont put a dent in us. Moron. I think you need to loosen that towel on your head, it may be cutting off circulation.
@Vulturefood Im not going to argue with some teenage punk on something he obviously knows nothing about. Go read the bill summary, there are some pretty shocking facts about the bill. Shocking enough that your balls may finally drop. Yet again, you have failed to make a political point that is FACT rather than opinion, GENIUS.
And that's why I wouldn't mind paying a little bit more taxes so that we all could be treated fair in an Obama healthcare package. We need to help one another in this nation. We are all Americans. We support each other in wars overseas, why not support ourselves on healthcare reform?
If we only want to help ourselves than America should cease to exist. 80 billion spent in Iraq and Afghanistan, why not spend it here for our benefit?
Its a tug of war the left side pulls when the right side is right and the right side pulls when the left side is right they want us fighting with our neighbors that way they control.
Healthcare is the best thing but the mindless bureaucrat thinkers think differently whats good for you they don't like.complication is best to them why make it simple and fix it then complicating it and make money
PS if you run for your life buying the new technology you are the problem to the downfall
Ha! Dude, I lived overseas for awhile. There is nothing shocking about Universal healthcare. So we might pay a little bit more taxes. So what? I'd rather pay for Obama care than to be repeatedly turned down by health insurance companies because of a pre-existing condition. You think health plans care about you? No, my friend. They are in it for themselves. They are for profit, and if you are not well--they will eventually drop you like a log. Live Overseas. Change ur perspective.
Change my perspectives? Now illegal immigrants get to take advantage of our tax dollars. I dont know about you, but I dont want to pay for an illegal immigrants health bills. Besides that, I dont want to pay for some gangbanger that got shot up because of his own damn stupidity. I want to pay for MYSELF. I donate plenty of money to charity, dont FORCE me to be charitable. That defeats the purpose.
You make some good points. I don't think illegal immigrants should get any special treatment, but I am talking about all the Americans. The Obama Care plan will not be that expensive. We all pay for this plan as a United Country , and we contribute to the welfare of all fellow Americans, rich and poor.
Wouldn't you rather see your taxes go for something good, instead of a useless war in Afghanistan and Iraq? Health is not a commercial product.
@pluto4847 Not that expensive? It has already cost $980 billion dollars. Once this bill is in effect: If you make $88,000 per year or more, you will be charged a 9% tax to go towards other peoples healthcare (In which illegal immigrants will get an equal share). I happen to make about that annually. I dont want to throw $8,000 dollars per year, on helping some moron, who got himself shot while trying to act tough. I would much rather donate that money to something like disaster relief
So you are telling me you make $88,000 a year and you will starve from an $8,000 deduction each year? I know of several American who make far less than $88,000 and they don't fret about how they are going to provide for their family.
Most medical bills are tax deductible anyway. You make a lot of money, and its your choice to live the way you do. Nobody is forcing you to live above your means with luxuries nobody can afford. That's ur choice.
Pretty soon we'll align with Cuba.
matthewetchie 1 year ago
For a Dane, it is absolutely stunning to hear that people are actually against this. All you think about is that you have to give up money. How about the security you receive, is that not worth it? Also you will be supporting each other as a nation, thus becomming stronger as a whole. Somehow you think this will make socialism your new leading ideology and you're afraid of losing the individual in the process. I'm sorry, but it's stupid. You wont even notice the rise in taxes.
M3t4lManiac 1 year ago
Finally America (the self-proclaimed greatest country in the world) provides free healthcare for all its citizens. Only 60 years behind every other western deocracy in the world. But of course some will still maintain that they have been right all along and the rest of the world was wrong - lol
Bawsak17 1 year ago
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@Bawsak17 It is not just the healthcare
USA is behind the western world in many things like: education, infrastructure, transportation system (train/bus), enviromental/going green...
Heck most Europeans dont beleieve in god or if we do we are not as strong about it as in usa where people just say nothing needs to be changed because god will fix and if we are about to die prayers will save us
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akumie 8 months ago
The american dream: Money>People
ThatGuyWhoSucksBoobz 1 year ago
this bill is phicaly great it brought great brittain out of resehion arfter the 2nd world war so the faer mungering is unfounded for economic dragging effects.
bijyhgvuijkol 1 year ago
For those of you who call this bill a charity, you are wrong. This is a United effort between all Americans to make this bill work. In all seriousness, what is the alternative to this legislation? Go back to the way things where?
Why would anyone want to go backwards? We must move forward. This is a bipartisan bill. Both republicans and Democrats collectively made this bill a reality. So that all Americans benefit, I'm willing to contribute my part.
pluto4847 1 year ago
To the Republicans--right wing extremists! I got news for you. The Obama care passed through Congress. Its a done deal! It won't be repeeled.
If you are not happy with this Government than I'm afraid you'll just have to wait it out until 2012, and even then I predict an Obama/Biden/Hillary victory.
You had your time in office, and George Bush and the Republicans destroyed this once great nation. And I'm a Republican, but I am an Obama Supporter/Biden supporter. I'm like an Obama Republican.
pluto4847 1 year ago
Listen up rich conservative stiffs, stop bitching about how you are going to provide for your family. Damn, u make it sound like a little more in taxes is going to cripple you. You'll still earn enough to provide way above your means. Just do away with some of your personal luxuries, and stop thinking you are above the Government.
There are a lot of Americans that work three times as hard as the rich, yet we make less money. Does that make us inferior? Clearly not!
pluto4847 1 year ago
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pluto4847 1 year ago
Listen up everybody. Lets do the math? Does anybody know how much this Obama Care plan will cost? And how much would each and everyone of us have to dish out per individual on a yearly basis?
Now calculate how much you would spend through private insurance? Which is going to be more costly in the long wrong? Private Insurance or the Obama care program? Can someone please help me understand which is the better deal?
But on the OBAMA care program, you won't be refused or dropped.
pluto4847 1 year ago
Listen up people. We all have our dilemmas over this health plan.
But its no different than having to pay car insurance. If you don't have insurance, you can't drive its as simple as that. Its the same with this new health plan. Its a law to benefit all, not just the elites.
Why are some Americans so stubborn and complacent to change? We are all human beings. Lets treat one another as such. Give up just a little bit of you earnings, and use it to benefit all of us.
pluto4847 1 year ago
So you need to oppose the individual mandate. It's unconstitutional. Repeal Obamacare. Don't let Obama sign an executive order granting amnesty to illegals. He doesn't care about the Constitution. If he grants amnesty he will be assassinated for sure.
ToxicOdiousOne 1 year ago
@ToxicOdiousOne
It would be so nice if we never had to pay Taxes again. But sometimes we need to pay taxes to benefit all of us. You pay taxes collectively for schools, road repairs, garbage pickup, the police, fire dept, salting icy roads.
But what's so wrong in paying taxes so everybody can have healthcare? Why can't we for once invest in ourselves--not just materials. If we have no probs helping out schools, than lets do the same for health care.
pluto4847 1 year ago
I pay for services as rendered. Insurance is a waste of money. Why should we be forced to bailout insurance with insurance profits? Insurance profits have nothing to do with healthcare. True reform is gutting health insurance completely. We don't need third party intervention collectivism.
ToxicOdiousOne 1 year ago
Health care passed big fuckin deal. It just passes more tax reform to everyone. It must be repealed by the states.
ToxicOdiousOne 1 year ago
@ToxicOdiousOne
But what's the difference between paying health insurance out of your own pocket, or paying it through taxation? I'd know what I would rather want. I understand America's frustration, but some of those Health Insurance plans are nasty. I'm tired of personal healthcare being treated like a commercial product.
We are human beings for heaven's sake. We need a plan fairer to all.
pluto4847 1 year ago
If you support Obama you are a racist!
wilz1122 1 year ago
I mean, do we want government intruding like this? I'm for the constitution and the bill of rights and I don't see how this bill fits it. I'm not hating here. This is just my view whether you agree or not.
MrDrProfessorJrMD 1 year ago
Okay. I'm going to get serious here. It's not about whether we're left or right. (I'm a Libertarian anyway.) Or whether we support Obama or not. Forget all that and look at the bill for what it is. Why couldn't they just pass laws to make the insurance companies provide certain benefits instead? Why does the government have to take over? If they just passed the laws, it wouldn't have cost a dime really. Also, now, the government can dip into our bank accounts which. I'm saying what the hell?
MrDrProfessorJrMD 1 year ago
honestly its not a government takeover. if anything its a insurance takeover. This crap, gives more customers to the insurance companies that are already making an obscene amount of profits by gouging up peoples premiums through the roof! Its absurd. And dude where can you find anything in the Constitution that this healthcare bill violates?
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tommytoo1 1 year ago
@tommytoo1 hmm... I didnt even know that. Aren't insurance companies still able to raise premiums through the roof like 3 times as much if you get sick?
Facebook289 1 year ago
@Facebook289
i havent read anything about it, so i cant say. i about crapped when i read that. pre existing conditions was like the only thing both parties agreed on it seems, who knows? one thing for sure, man we got some problems with both sides. it i blatenly obvious to anyone. but today, with technology where it is, we are for sure gonna find out a lot of crap by both parties
tommytoo1 1 year ago
@Facebook289
I know Obama Care is not available now. What can I do until it is available?
I cannot afford the high deductibles Health Insurance companies ask of me. So therefore, I am currently uninsured.
There are family and mortagage payments that need to be paid. I will not pay health insurance companies half my wages so they can be better off.
The commercialization of private health insurance sickens me. And my place of work may offer me a plan if I become hired permanently.
pluto4847 1 year ago
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Finally they got it done!! Already the real truth is coming out about this bill...Gallup Polls show Americans now favor the passage of this bill 49% to 40%...Repubs the LIE is over the majority of Americans are pleased to see this bill become law!! Congrats Mr. President, Pelosi and Reid!! America has won!!
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tommytoo1 1 year ago
I missed the 5 days to review before it was passed. another lie by my President Obama
NoBalanceJustBull 1 year ago
5 days to review all bills---
no pork ---
transparency---
Jobs ----
no tax increases---
Pay Go---
Nails in the coffin
NoBalanceJustBull 1 year ago
finally I can post a comment.
NoBalanceJustBull 1 year ago
Finally something great has happened.
NoBalanceJustBull 1 year ago
Public will have 5 days to review all bills on my desk.
NoBalanceJustBull 1 year ago
Obama Public Will Have 5 Days To Look At Every Bill no pork. Did I miss something. seems like 5 days went by really fast.
NoBalanceJustBull 1 year ago
Hey conservative americans. There can't exist a problem to pass a healthcare-law. Shame to all who are declaring it as to expensive! First stop being crazy in producing weapons and play cowboy on so many places in world. How much does this cost? Stop killing people, start to heal them. The American Dream is blind, if you don't see all the poor ones, whose money you decree as yours. The conservative way of American Dream is a nightmare for many many people...
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Lifter85 1 year ago
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itisaduck 1 year ago
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My Son, a Jurus Doctor, that got an A in Constitutional law, says this HC bill will be shot down. The States case will be fast tracted to the Supreme Court and with the present cast of characters will be ruled unconstitutional. But we still need to "drain the swamp." Go to my channel comments and see who voted for this outrage and vote them out in Nov and in 2012.
itisaduck 1 year ago
@itisaduck i also got an A in constitutional law and I disagree. Did Bush ever care when what he did was deemed unconstitutional by the courts? I'll donate to all those who supported this bill.
daderone 1 year ago
@daderone, I guess we shall see what the court says about the violation of states rights, etc. The states will file after the President signs and it will end up fast tracked to the conservative supreme court. my son was right about DC and Chicago Gun issues before they were challenged. He feels the 2nd amendment will be written in stone in the SC this summer and then many laws will be judged uncon. He voted for Obama.
itisaduck 1 year ago
WE HAVE TO VOTE OUT EVERY LIBERAL! I used to be a liberal until I was out of college a few years and learned about our country and about how great our founding fathers were and what it was to be an American. I worked hard to succeed in life and live the American dream. And through my travels as an Artist/Musician got to see all countries. We have the greatest country in the world. I do not want to see it ruined by socialism. I've seen it 1st hand. We are free. Let's go Libertarian/Conservative!
SuperGuitarman69 1 year ago
the quote senator james inhofe "we won, you lost, get a life"
penfifteen666 1 year ago
can conservatives please stop trying to tell people what to do and whats going to happen. The last time we listend to you morons you almost destroyed this country with your brain dead economic and government philosophy. In other words just stfu already and deal with the realization that the majority of the world knows you're complete idiots.
daderone 1 year ago
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tommytoo1 1 year ago
@daderone Just like your little buddy, you have said nothing but insults and absolutley no political points. Why do you support the bill? What good will come of it? What bad will come of it?
Hondaridr58 1 year ago
@daderone
That's right. The conservatives are war mongers. Has any republican ever contributed to health care. Nope, they only cut spending. Reagan cut medicare and lied about it.
Pension funds for veterans were also cut under a conservative government. Yes, liberals raise taxes, but they actually achieve a lot more in helping the big division between the rich and the poor. And I'm a Republican, but I am a liberal. I will switch to Democrat soon.
pluto4847 1 year ago
@pluto4847 To your reply to daderone.... Do you realize that Conservative Republicans donate 10x more money to charity than any other political party? But yet, we still dont do enough for you. Let me tell you something. I have been blessed with good finances my whole life. Do you know what my entire family does for christmas? Instead of buying eachother gifts, we take that money and pick a deserving charitable organization. Usually $3-5k So dont you dare say that we dont contribute.
Hondaridr58 1 year ago
@Hondaridr58 Are you done massaging your clit? Let me tell you something. You were blessed with good finances and by the guess of it probably not because you did anything in particular to earn or accumulate such wealth. Others should just have to count on your charity? Its all of our country, all of our government and thanks but no thanks 2 it only representing u & your blessing and generosity. I don't know what person wants their govt to sit back & say ehh the rich will donate 2 give u a shake.
daderone 1 year ago
the majority of people elected our President and while so much of our system is set up to benefit and protect you you can't stand when it tries to do the same for others with less. Save your bs and self backrubbing. I've donated as much as you to charities & organizations, and if not exactely certainly proportionately to income. I guess my friend should have to count on me to assure him healthcare rather than his own government.I guess he should have to count on my charity 2 pay his $10k bill
daderone 1 year ago
you want to send me a check to cover that hospital bill this Christmas? BTW he has a graduate degree and can't get a job. You gonna feed him, house him or just let him run more into debt? Let me know, I've got more than one friend and the funny thing is we're all going to pay for his bill because insurance companies are too worried about their bottom line 2 worry about protecting and giving quality affordable service to their clients, clients some of us refer to as the American Public/Citizenry.
daderone 1 year ago
@daderone Alright you self righteous twat, listen up. A: You are putting words in my mouth, and by the looks of it, you do it all the time to people. B: I have friends with next to nothing and medical issues worse than you can fucking imagine. Try brain cancer for 25 years, and six major strokes in the last five years. Oh yea, his wife who battled breast cancer for 10 years, died of leukimia last spring. His son, has brain cancer as well. Guess what? They couldn't afford ANYTHING.
Hondaridr58 1 year ago
@Hondaridr58
Well that's why I support Obama. But its not just Obama as President. This healthcare reform bill means a lot to all Americans, but those who live above their means are only concerned with not having the best swimming pools or the best car. Material things are nice, but human life is more important. We won't have Universal coverage, but Obama will force insurance companies to cover us despite pre-existing conditions, or finances. And as long as we are all covered, that's good.
pluto4847 1 year ago
@Hondaridr58 and how did your charity go to solve these people's need for medical help and keep them from bankruptcy? How did it end up ensuring their access to health insurance when they needed it most? Next time you want to call someone a self rightous twat do it in front of a mirror bitch.
daderone 1 year ago
@daderone You make no sense or valid points. I don't argue with people that have an IQ under 100, it just isn't fair to them. Adieu.
Hondaridr58 1 year ago
We now pay those bills. Oh yes, we bought him a home, a car, and now a caretaker. And yes you are right, I feel great about it. I am helping someone in need. So dont you FUCKING DARE talk to me like that you low life piece of shit. You really touched a nerve on that one. And you are one lucky son of a bitch that it was over the internet. You are a perfect example of one of the many many idiots in this nation that unfortunately are the majority. Go fuck yourself.
Hondaridr58 1 year ago
@Hondaridr58 and what do you suggest everybody who isn't friends with a wealthy trust fund friend like you? I meant to touch a nerve because you sound like an unsensitive egotistical piece of shit. I also used a personal example for a reason, on the aggregate millions of Americans are suffering with nobody to help them or protect them or their health. You helped one person, kudos. Now what about all the others you've been telling to fuck themselves?
daderone 1 year ago
@daderone Told who to fuck themselves? I donate a shitton of money every year you dipshit. IM the unsensitive, egotistical piece of shit here? Hmmm... Think things through before you type them, after all, you have plenty of time. Because all in all, you sound like a complete asshole right now.
Hondaridr58 1 year ago
@Hondaridr58 you charity doesn't compensate for the millions of people without access to health insurance moron. It doesn't save those who go bankrupt from hospital bills. Your charity regardless of how generous is not adequate to cover half of one person's needs, unfortunately nor is it an effective and reliable solution to the problems we have in America across the board. Not supporting reforms that ensure the protection of all is not only unAmerican it is selfish and unwise.
daderone 1 year ago
@daderone
But is it a charity? I always thought a Charity was something an indivual chooses.
This is not a charity, but rather Government legislation. This is a hard one indeed.
I can't blame Obama for lack of trying.
But answer me this, would the Republicans have had a better plan? As far as I know, the Republicans would allow Insurance companies to do what they always did--rip people off.
But seriously, if the Republicans had a better plan, I'd go with their proposals.
Do they?
pluto4847 1 year ago
@pluto4847 well what hondaridr promotes is a sole reliance of the masses on the charity of the rich. This i reject as not only absurd and batshit crazy but also on the grounds that in the year 2010 we recognize that this is not an effective or reliable solution to meet the needs of millions in need of help regarding health concerns. As u point out it also does nothing altering laws to protect citizens from going into bankruptcy or massive debt or do anything to assure them access to insurance.
daderone 1 year ago
@Hondaridr58
I never said you did not contribute. I am a Republican (A liberal Republican in transission to Democrat) because I discovered I was being lied to by the Republican party--namely GW Bush! Weapons of mass descruction? Where? Did he ever find any?
Why can't we for once set aside our greed, and contribute to a common good. All of us contribute--from the rich and the poor.
If you needed health and could not afford it, we should all pitch in to help u get better. That's fair.
pluto4847 1 year ago
@pluto4847 of course its not just fair it is right. This country has made it and lead the way by pooling our collective resources to provide a better way of life for all. We've created the best country ever as a result. Hondaridr sounds like an asshole but I'd still gladly pay more taxes to make sure his family doesn't all eat out of trash cans because he had to go to the ER.
daderone 1 year ago
@pluto4847 i made the switch a few years ago. it was a gradual process. I have always had both liberal and conservative perspectives on government. Guess the Republicans don't mind bitting the bullet on my friend's hospital bill for trying to kill himself. Dont worry it'll only cost you $10k for an overnight in the hospital. Be glad he refused the second ekg right? I don't know what kind of country or person finds this the right approach to healthcare. Wish repubs had done more than interfere
daderone 1 year ago
YaaaaaaY the dems. figured out a way to provide healthcare for the Illegals now aren't all of you dumbasses proud of yourselves?? - now come at me like ya'll don't know what I'm talking about cuz all these Illegals have to do is make a birth certificate online just like your president did & make copies of SS cards & VOILA! they get healthcare too-C'mon ask yourselves do all of these people working at mcdonalds & walmart really have citizenship?? YOU DECIDE!! WHAT A HAPPY FRIGGIN DAY IN AMERICA!!
1luv408 1 year ago
@shess0501 Socialism has yet to deal with its most fearsome of adversaries. THE 2ND AMENDMENT BABY!
jgtemplars 1 year ago
The Smirking Mac-Daddy has managed to dupe the American People once again (the first time was when he got elected). The time to pay the piper will come in this fall's elections....We will have our say, and we will say it LOUDLY.
oleheat 1 year ago
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In a bit of good news for you conservatives: It was just reported on ABC World News that (with the new reform bill) the cost of abortions from rape and incest births will be covered by the government.
kdixon7783c 1 year ago
☠☠☠☠ America is now run by the IRS
FederalReserveMan 1 year ago
Cnyc hop off bohener the boner's dick
xeromaximum 1 year ago
Anyone who DOESN'T know how the NEW Healthcare system works read it before you give a Goddamned opinion. EVERY American will be FORCED to pay for Heatlth Insurance. If that American does NOT comply they will be fined 95.00 the first year. After that 700.00?? Yeah American the free my fucking ass. The Majority of Americans were AGAINST it yet they passed the Bill. The Gobvernment is supposed to be working for US not the other way around
ChristianNYC 1 year ago
republicans cry haha
ICantDecryptTheCode 1 year ago
@ICantDecryptTheCode -This isn't really about the two parties. Its about control.
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tommytoo1 1 year ago
Before this goes into full effect I need to finish college then get my family out of the country because at our income level even the lowest bracket will break us financially. Every penny we make goes to rent, food, or tuition, and we get help with our college tuition. What out great emperor, I mean president, has done is to FORCE a bill which is not only going to help starve myself and my family but also keep my family from being able to afford a better way of life.
vaedryn 1 year ago
@vaedryn after u graduate you won't have 2 pay tuition so that should help and u should be able to get a job that pays decent. Stop being so dramatic and realize if anything happend to anybody in your family you'd most likely be bankrupt.
daderone 1 year ago
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mrshutter45 1 year ago
Well im not american, so i should just stay out of what happening in USA, but i think you americans would be happy for this health care reform.
TheJahma 1 year ago
@TheJahma we are.
daderone 1 year ago
Reading the comments of all the opposers of health care reform does reassure my assesment of the "american soul": Coward hysterical fearfull crybabies. A health care reform is the end of "your country"? Really? "Your country" seems to be a very fragile puny prissy little pipsquek, that a little reform can destroy it. What happened to "greatest nation on earth"? Seems you folks have more trust in the sanity of Glenn Beck than in the fundaments of your great nation. Grow some balls! And brains!
13otany13ay 1 year ago
@13otany13ay And you are a retard. You need to read what COMMUNISM is all about before you talk your shit.
They are not giving people FREE health insurance. They are FORCNING us to get it you moron
ChristianNYC 1 year ago
@ChristianNYC You think mandatory health care is communism? Congratulations, you have just proven my point: Opposers of health care reform are paranoid sissies. I guess you guys need night lights to sleep, otherwise the darkness makes you afraid of your own toes, which you could mistake for the ghost of Joseph Stalin, who came to eat your testicles.
13otany13ay 1 year ago
@13otany13ay
Of course it is you MORON!! You knwo shit apparently. If the Majority of your Courty is AGINST the Bill and yet you FORCE it AGSINT of The People it is COMMUNISM you fucking asshole!!
ChristianNYC 1 year ago
@ChristianNYC Where do you have your definition for communism from? Apparantly from a Captain America Comic from 1953. I guess you also believe radioactivity can turn people into superheroes and that one could find the prefix number for Metropolis in a real phonebook.
13otany13ay 1 year ago
@13otany13ay
You are so Obamified that you come off as a Dick. Do some research on WHY there is a Government in America in the first Place. Read the Declaration of Independence.
The Govermnent is FOR the People BY the People. The Majority of voters were AGAINST the Bill. They passed it ANYWAY!!!!! That is COMMUNISM. This Country is finished. But you sir are a dickhead and I am done talking to a retard,
ChristianNYC 1 year ago
@ChristianNYC Take a dictionary and look up the following terms: Representative Democracy, Parliamentary Democracy.
That you dont like a bill because Fox News told you it will turn your beer into poison and your face into your second ass and you are stupid enough to believe it, does not make the reform unconstitutional or undemocratic.
13otany13ay 1 year ago
@ChristianNYC you are a moron, or what you wrote was just pathetically stupid. Please do yourself a favor and stop talking.
daderone 1 year ago
@daderone Why don't you shut the fuck you goddamn demoncrat, it is YOU types they will bring this country to it's knees. Go back to school and learn a few things
ChristianNYC 1 year ago
@ChristianNYC shut the fuck? how would one go about shutting the fuck? Like I said earlier moron, do yourself a favor and stop talking. It makes you look dumb. Its good advice, take it, God gave you 2 ears and one mouth for a reason.
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tommytoo1 1 year ago
@13otany13ay best comment of the year
daderone 1 year ago
@13otany13ay sorry please ignore the brain dead dumb fucks that say stupid shit like that. I agree, I don't know where the fuck these people live but I'm not even sure it is earth.
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tommytoo1 1 year ago
@13otany13ay I have to say, you have not made one single political point, all you have said is that ChristionNYC is an idiot..... So WHY do YOU support the bill? What good will come of it? What will the total cost be (Not just money)?
Hondaridr58 1 year ago
Perhaps it is time to dissolve this Union of 50 states.
JamesTClement 1 year ago
Perhaps it is time for you to leave this Union of 50 states and follow Rush in Costa rica.You will enjoy sunshine and better life togerther.
canadaworldmusic 1 year ago
@JamesTClement
That is exactly what is going to Happen. There will be another revolution. I guess History will repeat itself.
I am not sure how these other Morons think this new Heakthcare reform is the Best thing since Sliced Pizza but it is obvious they know nothing
ChristianNYC 1 year ago
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More people all over the world need to learn and demand Holistic medical practices. It is sad how we have been made to forget that who ever created the Earth, made it perfect for its inhabitants. Look at all the ANimals in the wild they live healthy lives unless killed off unnaturally by humans and their medling. Hemp cures cancer why dont more people know about this. Its just sad. Unless we learn the truth we will continue to get what we deserve. WE DESERVE BETTER.
good2btheking 1 year ago
Its time 4 the (R) states to break away and 4rm a n3w nati0n. The uni1ed stat3s of 0bama will not be able to functi0n with0ut the 4epublican money.
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GeminiAzules 1 year ago 2
Yay! You've...passed a bill forcing people to buy overpriced private sector health insurance from the same people your Presidents been deomonizing as evil bastards for 2 years now..er....well done...next you can eliminate homelessness by mandating people buy a house, eliminate poverty by mandating people have money...I never knew eliminating big social problems was so easy... Theres one good thing I suppose, the lunatic right will have egg on their face when theres no death panels.
PhoenixIreland 1 year ago
Has Rust Limpballs left the country yet?
mindoermatta 1 year ago
health care
• Page 22: Mandates audits of all employers that self-insure!
• Page 29: Admission: your health care will be rationed!
• Page 30:, unlike an insurer, there will be no appeals process
• Page 42: The Health Choices. You will have no choice. None.
• Page 58: Every person will be issued a National ID Healthcard.
• Page 59: The federal government will have direct,access to all individual bank accounts for electronic funds transfer.
KingKong1ooo 1 year ago
u would not support healtcare reform if u new actully what it consist on and how
u think the obama admin cares about usa i dont think so_they care more about isreal than us.
this is a stunt pulled by obama to gain us confidence and support
the guildlines of health reform damages the people - freedom taken away
how is that democracy
KingKong1ooo 1 year ago
health care is the best thing to happen to America..be proud of it.
health care means coverage for every single American without back room bargaining on how much you will owe if you want to keep your limbs.
Only capitalistic losers or selfish know all anti-American pricks that would vote against the health care.
FINALLY America moves into a non third world thinking country...now get rid of the guns.
Vulturefood 1 year ago 2
Get rid of the Guns??? Are you fucking Crazy?? So the Communsit OBAMA can take over?? Hell No!!! There will be ANOTHER Civil War before that Happens
ChristianNYC 1 year ago
@Vulturefood good point, it is very long overdue. fair play obama
BEANO266 1 year ago
@Vulturefood YOU IDIOT!!!!!!!!!!!!! You obviuosly no nothing of America. Probably Canadian or something. So you know nothing of freedom. We don't need the government involved in healthcare. It's been brainwashed in you that if you don't like something then the government has the right to take them away ie. your commints about guns. I don't own a gun but I don't have the right to tell someone they can't. You like being told what to do and how to live? try this one on SHUT UP
SuperGuitarman69 1 year ago
@Vulturefood I hope you become Vulturefood very soon. Because you represent everything that is going wrong in our country. You represent EXACTLY what out founding fathers, were trying to change. Yet you sit there, thinking that you are one of Obama's "Deciples" and that he will make everything better. Please take another good look at things.
Hondaridr58 1 year ago
@Hondaridr58
another genius that can't function without orders
(honda an American product right?) typical shit eater
I wouldn't care if the republican came out with the health care.they didn't
USA citizens NEEDED IT.
Capitalism is what is running the show.
you're only contributing to it you will never see the big money EVER.
That's why USA citizens need to cover their backs GENIUS..you will sleep in the streets very soon genius and i will be glad to pay for your health care with no problems.
Vulturefood 1 year ago
The only people who are bitching about this are the poor people who have been relying on us who actually work to pay your bills. Thank god I won't have to do that any longer.
tobin834 1 year ago
@tobin834 you sir are a complete idiot... where is the dunce cap when you need it
igoescrazy 1 year ago
You assholes will be a footnote in history
Gandhiablo 1 year ago
Welcome to the New World Order
xjoan0407x 1 year ago
On Sunday March 21, 2010 will be known as the begining of Socialism in the United States. call it crying but when the tax for this bill starts rolling in and people begin to die because of this unjust bill remember you help create the monster named Barrack Husein Obama.... i really do not care if i spelled his name right because the day he got elected i had no president
igoescrazy 1 year ago 2
@igoescrazy you are a complete nutter! Why would you wish pain and suffering on anyone regardless of their views and how different those views are to yours. What's wrong with you? Your wish won't come true, and please try to remember what you wished upon us when karma bites you on the ass and you are in pain and distress. God is watching you, asshole!! Go get laid, drink some beer and watch some sports....In short, get a life!!!!
luminary39 1 year ago
@luminary39 Point well taken. All i can say is that our founding fathers left england because of religous percecution ( excuse my bad grammar ) because the government wanted to control what religion they practiced. Now it is the same thing but with healthcare. I find it funny that many people do not learn anything from history, it has been 234 years since we have wrote the decleration of independace but we find ourselfeves fighting the same political war.
igoescrazy 1 year ago 3
You clearly don't understand the meaning of the word socialism. Forcing people to buy private healthcare when there isn't even a public insurance OPTION is not socialism, its corportism.
PhoenixIreland 1 year ago 2
smells like Marxism to me...
Lifter85 1 year ago
@Lifter85 Thats clearly because you don't know what Marxixm
know what marxism is...
PhoenixIreland 1 year ago
if i knew what the fuck you were saying jackass, i might respond back to your comment
Lifter85 1 year ago
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"Thats clearly because you don't know what Marxixm is" , is what I meant to say, the brower went a bit whacky.
You could at least pretend to be civil.
PhoenixIreland 1 year ago
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"Thats clearly because you don't know what Marxism is" God damm it keeps doing it.
PhoenixIreland 1 year ago
He's saying you don't know what marxism is. He's right.
nicck 1 year ago
...you obviously know how to ride someones dick...
Lifter85 1 year ago
@Lifter85 I'm sure you're saying that from experience.
nicck 1 year ago
only from what your mother has told me
Lifter85 1 year ago
@Lifter85 Get good you clown.
nicck 1 year ago
Call it crying but once you are laying in a hospital bed struggling to stay alive just remember you and millions of people have help create this monster.
igoescrazy 1 year ago
LMAO!! Nothing like the sound of bitter ass conservatives crying!!
theheatofthemoment 1 year ago
America was the last greatest hope in the world. Now it has turned into socialism. for every 1 who has voted for Mr. Obama i wish nothing but pain and suffering. There has been thousands of men and women who have died for this country for trying to uphold the values of this great nation. With your ignorance for voting for Mr. Obama you have let those men and women die for no reason. I thank you people for ruining this country.
igoescrazy 1 year ago
Republicans give me the impression that they will vote against everything since they are not elected as the majority power. I get the impression that people outside of USA can see the whole picture better than people within USA,. A healthcare reform according to those non-USA friends I know, seem to understand the problems besieging the crippling and inefficient USA health system and so reform is required. So it's not whether it shd be reformed, that's a no-brainer, it's "how" accdg to them.
minghan05 1 year ago
Thank you President Obama! No American should ever have to go without healthcare! Just like no child should ever go without an education, that's why we have public school in America! Congratulations and Well Done!!
nepoc11 1 year ago
f u republican pigs. you murder for money or help others do it
kargenlewis 1 year ago
@kargenlewis why did you even bother to type this? you just look like an idiot...
Hondaridr58 1 year ago
conservatives are such a bunch of weak whiney drama queens. not to mention sore losers.
daderone 1 year ago
The end of America...;-(
trevticks 1 year ago
@trevticks go hide under a rock
daderone 1 year ago
@daderone My business will be taxed more, my income will be taxed more, my girlfriends income can now be dictated by the government (she's a registered nurse), the IRS will have more power... My level of healthcare will decrease. We needed reform but this is a mess. There is nothing in this bill to be happy about!!!! I'm uninsured and still don't want this!!!!
trevticks 1 year ago
@trevticks actually none of that is true and in general what you wrote was pretty brain dead.
daderone 1 year ago
@daderone Where will the Billions of dollars come from? Read the bill this is all in there. Please tell me why this plan is such a great idea or you can just call me more names.
trevticks 1 year ago
@trevticks lol read the fucking bill yourself pussy. If you have a hard time understanding then hire a tutor I'm not here to explain every piece of legislation to the slow folk. I understand the bill fine, you seem not to. That to me seems like a personal problem you might want to correct.
Sorry I wouldn't spoon feed you, time to wear the big boy pants little man.
daderone 1 year ago
@daderone I have read the bill, I guess you missed that in my last comment. I understand what the bill will do. I was simply asking why you think that it's a good plan to implement. I see no reason why this bill is any good a all. I'm not sure why you keep trying to insult me. I have nothing against you personally, I don't even know you.
trevticks 1 year ago
@trevticks if you read the bill and you still say these moronic things then perhaps your brain isn't doing so well in the functioning dept.
daderone 1 year ago
@daderone So all you have to bring to this discussion is name calling? I have posed some questions and concerns for discussion, you have done nothing. I'm done commenting here, I feel like I'm just feeding a troll. This is a horrible thing for our country.
trevticks 1 year ago
republicans whining and crying... it's about time, hahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
minusthumbs 1 year ago
There is a lot in the bill that has nothing to do with healthcare other than probably having bought votes. No one is reporting on all the junk in it.
MegF142857 1 year ago
You americans are so stupid...you were lied to and misled for 8 years by Bush and the WAR is what is bankrupting you - not a mere healthcare bill.
kunjidee 1 year ago
Then why the hell did Obama send 30 thousand more kids over to Afghanistan? He is no better than Bush. Obama is killing us. We're all in serious trouble now, but that's what happens when there is serious corruption in the leadership and in the society. Our country is doomed.
OAKTOWN61 1 year ago
Because his general asked for more troops to ease the strain on the forces already there perhaps? To ensure stability and superiority in a region that was being threatened and defended by war-weary soldiers already? Hopefully it'll be over by 2011 - and most will come home, including our canadian troops. It will take YEARS to unravel the mess Bush got you into. Obama is the man to do it.
kunjidee 1 year ago
Your country was already doomed when Bush continued his reign in the 2nd term. And who re-elected him to the incredulity of the world? Americans, or specifically speaking, USA. Preoccupation with 2 wars that have no positive outcomes and a huge deficit are Bush legacy to the USA. Obama, well he's stupid enough to take over a crippling economy with a nation of people who can't think right and politicians who play blame games rather than hunker down and provide solutions. Who benefits? China.
minghan05 1 year ago
@OAKTOWN61 Doesnt it make you think that maybe there IS something happening over there that we need to deal with? Considering that he said during his campaign that he would have every single troop out of Iraq within his first 90 days of office, Over a year later.... 20,000 more troops are there now then there was when he entered office.
Hondaridr58 1 year ago
@kunjidee Right, a trillion dollars wont put a dent in us. Moron. I think you need to loosen that towel on your head, it may be cutting off circulation.
Hondaridr58 1 year ago
@Hondaridr58 Well if you're gonna be THAT way about it, then hahaha on you boohoo loser peepee breath....geez.
kunjidee 1 year ago
@Hondaridr58 Well if you're gonna be THAT way about it, then hahaha on you boohoo loser peepee breath....geez.
kunjidee 1 year ago
@Hondaridr58
dildo..your clan immigrated to usa too.
you all came from another country to settle in USA but don't allow others to migrate LOL typical retard that knows nothing about nothing.
Just a chihuahua bark with no brain.
go sit down in the corner before i take your head off genius. LOL i crack myself up too genius.
PS retard Honda rider...hmmm and why are you against the health care?
no matter what, Bush,McCain etc would still waste your money..so what are you fighting for again???
Vulturefood 1 year ago
@Vulturefood Im not going to argue with some teenage punk on something he obviously knows nothing about. Go read the bill summary, there are some pretty shocking facts about the bill. Shocking enough that your balls may finally drop. Yet again, you have failed to make a political point that is FACT rather than opinion, GENIUS.
Hondaridr58 1 year ago
@Hondaridr58
oh fuck off...typical republican scared of his own shadow.
hey nitwit if you want to be a real patriotic....embrace health care.
Your god Bush fucked it all up..let Obama do his thing..Bush did enough for the world to hate USA.
let the scared little vulture republicans sit on the side line and see what they missed AGAIN
BTW I'm probably older than you..I've seen enough of getting fucked in the ass by the health system
Finally help for the helpless.
something the Republicans hate
Vulturefood 1 year ago
@Hondaridr58
oh PS dildo
why are you against health care?
what the fuck makes you so special to leave 45 million people without care?
are you American or just a mutt that cares only for himself.
its time to evolve into helping our own instead of only helping ourselves.
Vulturefood 1 year ago
@Vulturefood
And that's why I wouldn't mind paying a little bit more taxes so that we all could be treated fair in an Obama healthcare package. We need to help one another in this nation. We are all Americans. We support each other in wars overseas, why not support ourselves on healthcare reform?
If we only want to help ourselves than America should cease to exist. 80 billion spent in Iraq and Afghanistan, why not spend it here for our benefit?
pluto4847 1 year ago
@pluto4847
Its a tug of war the left side pulls when the right side is right and the right side pulls when the left side is right they want us fighting with our neighbors that way they control.
Healthcare is the best thing but the mindless bureaucrat thinkers think differently whats good for you they don't like.complication is best to them why make it simple and fix it then complicating it and make money
PS if you run for your life buying the new technology you are the problem to the downfall
Vulturefood 1 year ago
@Hondaridr58
Ha! Dude, I lived overseas for awhile. There is nothing shocking about Universal healthcare. So we might pay a little bit more taxes. So what? I'd rather pay for Obama care than to be repeatedly turned down by health insurance companies because of a pre-existing condition. You think health plans care about you? No, my friend. They are in it for themselves. They are for profit, and if you are not well--they will eventually drop you like a log. Live Overseas. Change ur perspective.
pluto4847 1 year ago
Change my perspectives? Now illegal immigrants get to take advantage of our tax dollars. I dont know about you, but I dont want to pay for an illegal immigrants health bills. Besides that, I dont want to pay for some gangbanger that got shot up because of his own damn stupidity. I want to pay for MYSELF. I donate plenty of money to charity, dont FORCE me to be charitable. That defeats the purpose.
Hondaridr58 1 year ago
@Hondaridr58
You make some good points. I don't think illegal immigrants should get any special treatment, but I am talking about all the Americans. The Obama Care plan will not be that expensive. We all pay for this plan as a United Country , and we contribute to the welfare of all fellow Americans, rich and poor.
Wouldn't you rather see your taxes go for something good, instead of a useless war in Afghanistan and Iraq? Health is not a commercial product.
pluto4847 1 year ago
@pluto4847 Not that expensive? It has already cost $980 billion dollars. Once this bill is in effect: If you make $88,000 per year or more, you will be charged a 9% tax to go towards other peoples healthcare (In which illegal immigrants will get an equal share). I happen to make about that annually. I dont want to throw $8,000 dollars per year, on helping some moron, who got himself shot while trying to act tough. I would much rather donate that money to something like disaster relief
Hondaridr58 1 year ago
@Hondaridr58
So you are telling me you make $88,000 a year and you will starve from an $8,000 deduction each year? I know of several American who make far less than $88,000 and they don't fret about how they are going to provide for their family.
Most medical bills are tax deductible anyway. You make a lot of money, and its your choice to live the way you do. Nobody is forcing you to live above your means with luxuries nobody can afford. That's ur choice.
Think outside the box.
pluto4847 1 year ago