@ty2u I stand corrected on the engines for the C-82. Only one very early prototype had R-2600's. Production aircraft had civil variant R-2800's. The cartridge starters were for use at forward or unimproved bases that didn't have starter carts. My source for the movie info was Frank Tallman. I met him at an open house at Tallmantz Aviation in the 1970's. He was a great pilot and will missed by those who saw him fly.
Thanks, for the information. According to the information I had the planes (C-119) were flown to the desert with the jet engines attached and then removed for filming. I do recall Paul Manz's death. I would like to read your source of information which seems to be more accurate that mine.
The airplane he refers to in the original "Flight of the Phoenix" was a C-82 Packet not the later and larger C-119 Boxcar and it also had smaller engines. They were R-2600's which did have cartridge starters.The plane built from the wreck actually did fly but not before killing Paul Mantz in the initial attempt at flight. Pilot Bobby Rose eventually flew it sucessfully.
@Fennec2828 I think he is referring to the lame remake of the "Flight of the Phoenix" only some C-119's had the P&W 4360. My father's Boxcar had them.. The jet engine looks rediculous on top.. Does the word helical mean anything to this guy?
I was a crew chief , on a KC97 G 53355; went to 4360 engine school at Chaunute AFB.1955. As I recall, Pratt and Whitney was the engine of choiceas some were sub contracted to Ford. Rarely changed spark plugs or fuel metering device (early fuel injection)but frequently hydraulic pumps and generator seals. Passed on going to flight engineer school as the KC135 was new on the scene no place for an enlisted panel engineer. Great piece takes me back 53 years.
The public needs to be aware of Pratt & Whitney Aircraft/United Technologies Corporations illegal behavior. In particular, attempting to provoke this caring and devoted father into committing suicide over my child care issues and then conspiring to obstruct justice in federal court against not only me, but in addition 4 other litigants/former UTC employees. Please check out my You Tube videos to find my website and genuine court documents.
The R 4360 was a very dependable engine. The -63 which was used on the C-124C developed 3800 hp @ 2800rpm. METO (maximum except take off) was around 3000hp.. As I recall BMEP at 62.5 inches of manifold pressure was 252 psi. The -63 used ADI (anti detonation injection) for take off and climb out. I felt the R4360 was far more robust than the Wright R3350 Duplex Cyclone. The turbo compound Wright engine, while powerfull, never had the reliabiltiy record of the R4360.
@ngordon19 My Dad was a a/c mech for United in the 50's. He said changing the spark plugs on this beast was a task that was a pain-in-the-butt & had to be done quite often. Reliable? For the day, maybe. And compared to the 3350, OK. But compared to a PW 2800? There is a lot of complexity in this engine!
Thankyou. It would have been great to have met your source. I fear all that great flying in films will be replaced by CGI.
ty2u 3 months ago
@ty2u I stand corrected on the engines for the C-82. Only one very early prototype had R-2600's. Production aircraft had civil variant R-2800's. The cartridge starters were for use at forward or unimproved bases that didn't have starter carts. My source for the movie info was Frank Tallman. I met him at an open house at Tallmantz Aviation in the 1970's. He was a great pilot and will missed by those who saw him fly.
Fennec2828 3 months ago
Thanks, for the information. According to the information I had the planes (C-119) were flown to the desert with the jet engines attached and then removed for filming. I do recall Paul Manz's death. I would like to read your source of information which seems to be more accurate that mine.
ty2u 3 months ago
The airplane he refers to in the original "Flight of the Phoenix" was a C-82 Packet not the later and larger C-119 Boxcar and it also had smaller engines. They were R-2600's which did have cartridge starters.The plane built from the wreck actually did fly but not before killing Paul Mantz in the initial attempt at flight. Pilot Bobby Rose eventually flew it sucessfully.
Fennec2828 3 months ago
@Fennec2828 I think he is referring to the lame remake of the "Flight of the Phoenix" only some C-119's had the P&W 4360. My father's Boxcar had them.. The jet engine looks rediculous on top.. Does the word helical mean anything to this guy?
irish89055 2 months ago
Thank you. It's good to have good subject matter.
ty2u 3 months ago
Good video. Very informative.
TIMOTHYSAARINEN 3 months ago
A fantastic collection of aircraft. All of which, I thought had been scrapped!
Poopingbotham 5 months ago
"It weighed just over 3,400LB". That's just over one and a half ton, folks!
Poopingbotham 5 months ago
May it could be mounted vertical in a Smartcar!
ty2u 5 months ago
I want me one ! I'd love it, pet it 'n' play w/it 'n' call it "George"... Just The Thing for an Engine Swap in a Smart... (grin)
chg657 5 months ago
When I get comments such as these, it makes the whole video process worthwhile. thanks
ty2u 5 months ago
I was a crew chief , on a KC97 G 53355; went to 4360 engine school at Chaunute AFB.1955. As I recall, Pratt and Whitney was the engine of choiceas some were sub contracted to Ford. Rarely changed spark plugs or fuel metering device (early fuel injection)but frequently hydraulic pumps and generator seals. Passed on going to flight engineer school as the KC135 was new on the scene no place for an enlisted panel engineer. Great piece takes me back 53 years.
bobboi710 5 months ago
Great mini documentary - thanks for making and uploading it
johnster1964 6 months ago
Awesome video, thanks for sharing and the history.
BlackWiiOwner2010 9 months ago
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The public needs to be aware of Pratt & Whitney Aircraft/United Technologies Corporations illegal behavior. In particular, attempting to provoke this caring and devoted father into committing suicide over my child care issues and then conspiring to obstruct justice in federal court against not only me, but in addition 4 other litigants/former UTC employees. Please check out my You Tube videos to find my website and genuine court documents.
silvertiger333 10 months ago
The R 4360 was a very dependable engine. The -63 which was used on the C-124C developed 3800 hp @ 2800rpm. METO (maximum except take off) was around 3000hp.. As I recall BMEP at 62.5 inches of manifold pressure was 252 psi. The -63 used ADI (anti detonation injection) for take off and climb out. I felt the R4360 was far more robust than the Wright R3350 Duplex Cyclone. The turbo compound Wright engine, while powerfull, never had the reliabiltiy record of the R4360.
ngordon19 1 year ago
@ngordon19
Thanks, for the additional information on the R-4360.
ty2u 1 year ago
@ngordon19 My Dad was a a/c mech for United in the 50's. He said changing the spark plugs on this beast was a task that was a pain-in-the-butt & had to be done quite often. Reliable? For the day, maybe. And compared to the 3350, OK. But compared to a PW 2800? There is a lot of complexity in this engine!
TheCannonofMohammed 6 months ago