way to sound byte it man... at 0:40 thats not even palin, oh and by the way... all the shit your saying in this video about raising taxes, and haveing so many earmarks... well look what obama is doing now! kind of similar to the thing you hate...
I notice that all of the Obama haters can only use insults and obscenities to make their points. Nothing that can educate or inform the reader. If Obama isn't a US citizen, then deport him legally...If he is a terrorist, then have him locked up and sentenced...instead all you do is slander and 'BANG'.
There is no scientific proof for the big 'BANG' theory...nothing that 'BANGS' ever forms something good and organized. How can Americans believe that this beautiful and organized world of ours with such intelligent people and other living things could have happened by accident? If man can create, then man could have been created by someone much more intelligent and powerful than us. CREATION is the only sensible thing for me to believe because it allows me to respect GOD as my loving Creator.
6468lee-While I respect your opinion, your comments indicate that you know very little about cosmology or the Bible. The only way that the Bible "disproves" the big band theory or evolution, is by taking "7 days" as literal. You must then take the rest literally and that is definately not a place you want to go.
The bible is truth...the same bible says that "2Pe 3:8
But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day." At the same time I am willing to take it as either 7 days or 7thousand years ...it is still God who created, not a 'BIG BANG'.
"And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. And God said, Let there be light: and there was light."
That was the "big bang".
Keep in mind that a "bang" can only happen where there is sound and that the "big bang" is a concept and not representative of an explosion in the traditional sense but rather a sudden expansion.
So, why didn't God cause this expansion to happen?
"And God said, Let there be light: and there was light."
That was the "big bang".
ARE YOU MAD??? It is foolish and deceptive to change 'LET THERE BE' into 'BANG' just to deny the bible as complete TRUTH. If God started it then we must accept that he also formed fishes, birds, animals etc. HE IS GOD OF ALL OR ELSE HE IS NOT GOD AT ALL.
Were you born an idiot or did you fall on your head? "big bang" was/is a term simply to describe the sudden expansion of the universe. Where in the bible does it say that "let there be" does *not* mean this sudden expansion. It doesn't. PERIOD. Christianity does not mean you turn off your God given brain.
What about the contraditions within the Bible? That is, saying A in one place and then B in another. That sure ain't "complete TRUTH" to me.
The "big bang" is a 'VOOP' theory that suggests a start of the universe and life. It is because scientists cannot come up with a logical start so they say "Once upon a time, there was a BANG and the universe started, then evolution took over" Are you changing the fairy tale for me?
Just how ignorant are you? The big bang theory has ZERO to do with evolution. It has zero to do with biology. Where did you get this complete nonsense that the big bang theory says anything like "and the universe started, then evolution took over". No cosmologist ever connected the two. I put forth, you are making that part up. If so, you are lying. That would make you a liar, right? What does the Bible say about liars?
One more thing, my reference to the "big bang" does not deny anything. I am not denying that the universe was created. You are one who is deny the "big bang" although there is NOTHING in the Bible that denies it. It is only YOUR misguided mis-interpretation of the Bible that denies it. Also your "7thousand years" from a previous post contradicts the claim that the Earth was created in 4004 BC. Can't you make up your mind?
The bible clearly explains how man and the universe were CREATED BY GOD, in the book of Genesis. The 'big bang' is a total denial of GOD AS CREATOR...evolution theory is a further denial of GOD AS CREATOR AND SUSTAINER OF LIFE. The living God created living things and all the systems for reproduction, adaptation, mutation etc...this is true science.
Bullshit!!! The big bang is NOT total denial of "GOD AS CREATOR". Evolution is also not a total denial. If God put life on earth and told it to go forth and multiply and created the circumstances whereby simple molecules could combine to form proteins, which then formed single-celled animals which then EVOLVED into man, then God is STILL the creator. NOTHING in the Bible contradicts that. Do you even know how to use your intelligence?
Again, what about all of the contradictions in the Bible?
If God is great enough to do that, then we should accept what he said he did, not add our own THEORY...GOD MADE MAN by his miraculous POWER in an instant...It is impossible for a simple molecule to 'evolve' into a complex, programmed, intelligent, beautiful being like man...EVOLUTION IS A LIE!
Just where in the Bible does God say what he actually did? Have you even read it? All Genesis says is that he created the world. He does not say how. Isn't God powerful enough to create a universe where "simple molecule to 'evolve' into a complex, programmed, intelligent, beautiful being like man"? So you are saying there is a limitation to what God can do? So, he is NOT capable of creating a universe where life "evolves".
Again, what about all of the contradictions in the Bible?
Well, there certainly are a lot of blanks and throughout history there has been a lot of suffering because people filled in the blanks differently. Are saying that we need to take *everything* in the bible 100% literally? So "dust of the earth" is not the proteins that combined to form complex molecules and then single-celled organism, but the stuff that is under your bed, is that right? So when Genesis says "7 days" it means literally 7 days, but that contradicts what you said early.
Contradictions: Do you honestly believe that the Bible is the 100% accurate, infallible, inerrant word of God? That is, you claim there are NO (read: ZERO) mistakes. I'm not talking about mispellings which could have be caused by translation or printing errors. I am talking about where the bible says two completely different things in different places, doctrinal or not. That's a contradiction. Can we agree on that?
I am curious about something here. It wasn't until 1992 that the Church admitted Jupiter has moons and the Earth is not the center of the universe. It took them almost 400 years to admit that their *interpretation* of the Bible was wrong. Are we going to have to wait until 2409 before some people wise up about cosmology and evolution? Or will some people remain in the dark ages forever?
Science has been exposing new knowledge all the time...that does not interfere with what the bible says. The CHURCH can mean so many things...who is the church really? I don't defend churches, I defend the bible. CAN YOU ENLIGHTEN ME ON EVIDENCE THAT PROVES EVOLUTION? REMEMBER IT IS STILL JUST A THEORY... HMMMMM
In the case of Galileo it was the Pope, but so many others have interpreted the Bible to mean the heavens are unchanging and the Earth is at the center. Like people who believe evolution today, Galileo was persecuted. Granted one cannot proof evolution, but one can prove the age of things. The age of the Earth is billions of years. Not the thousands that people claim. Dinosaurs are provably miliions of years old, although Bible-thumpers claim they existed at the same time as man.
The bible does not say that anyway, so why make it an issue? You ever wonder why they don't introduce carbon testing in school science syllabus? Carbon dating is a flawed and contradictory process...they claim to know how old the earth is but they cannot tell exactly when Caylee Anthony died...
check out this video...Creation / Evolution debate on Michael Coren Show, you will be enlightened.
Are you really that lame? The reason why carbon dating isn't used to determine the time of death is because the accuracy in the best case is +/- 20 years. When measuring dates 20,000 years ago, 20 years is insignificant. When dealing with much older things, scientists use radiometric dating. It too can be off by a few percent, but over millions of years its unimportant. Not in schools? I learned about it in high school during the 1970s and my kids still get taught it.
So you believe that something that cannot even measure twenty or less years accurately can measure billions of years accurately? Do you also know that science has found new evidence that the fossil layers really show no significant(millions of years) time difference in their formations? ATHEIST SCIENTISTS ARE LYING.
"something that cannot even measure twenty or less years accurately can measure billions of years accurately?"
By that, "logic" a yard-stick is useless because accurately measure a human hair. A wall clock is useless because it cannot measure the beat of a hummingbird's wing.
Even if what you are saying about the fossil layers is true, that's still **millions** of years. WAIT!!! The world was created in 4004 BC. Either the interpretation of the bible is WRONG or the world is much older.
A measuring instrument is designed to accurately measure something, eg a scale for weight, clock for time etc. In order to gain further accuracy, each valid instrument can be tweaked to suit eg, you can tweak a yardstick by redesigning it, using the same basic concept to get a slide rule for measuring the hair...Why can't you redesign carbon testing to measure 10 years? Why isn't there a "slide rule" version?
Apprarently, your only understanding of carbon-14 is that someone in your church told you it is a lie spread by atheist scientists.
Carbon-14 dating measures one of the processes that God created in this universe. To some extent it is taking an average. The longer the sample size the more accurate the measurement. Like counting cars that pass a an intersection. You could messure it for 10 minutes or whole day. Which gives you better data?
I have studied the bible for years and found no errors...there are cases where different writers gave different(not conflicting) accounts of the same event, or different opinions on a matter...but that is normal when you have 66 books written by over 40 authors to make one unified BIBLE inspired by GOD...can you imagine authors who lived in different times agreeing so well on a topic without consulting each other?
Jacob wrestled with an angel of God and prevailed...in his celebration he said I have seen God face to face...if you send me a million dollars, I will be justified in saying, God sent me a million dollars, won't I? Why do you wrestle with the scriptures in this way? No man in this corrupt, sinful body can face a holy, majestic GOD and live...we must be changed into an immortal body first by SALVATION.
Even I have two different names that I am known by...Simon was also called Peter, Jacob was also called Israel...you miss the point, that Jesus Christ is a historically registered person, that same history has recorded his death and resurrection...He is now LORD OF ALL.
"Jesus Christ is a historically registered person, that same history has recorded his death and resurrection." - The only "history" that did that is the Bible. Again, like a criminal saying "I'm innocent" so we have to believe it. The only *real* historical references I have even heard of are
Lev 11:20-21: "All fowls that creep, going upon all four, shall be an abomination unto you."
Since He created them, one would expect that God knows that fowls do NOT go "upon all four"
Matthew 13:31-32 He put another parable before them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is like a grain of mustard seed that a man took and sowed in his field. It is the smallest of all seeds,...."
Since He created everything, one would expect that God knows that the mustard seed is NOT the smallest seed.
This is a parable...The black mustard seed (Brassica nigra = Sinapis nigra) was the smallest seed ever sown by a first-century farmer in that part of the world.
It's also true, as many modern-day encyclopedias will tell you, that the black mustard seed in Israel will typically grow to heights of 3.7 meters, or twelve (12) feet)—plenty large enough to hold a bird nest.
Your point? It's OK for the Bible to be innacurate to get its point across? So would it be then permissible for the human writers of the Bible to lie to get their point across? (i.e. some of Paul's letter were not really written by Paul) It would also be OK to add things to the Bible despite what is said in the Book of Revelation? The Bible says not to add things, people had added things. It is one big contradiction!
Thank you for the invite melreynolds, to 6468lee, your logic is perverted at best, carbon/radium dating is based on a mathematically robust formula, to challenge it with no other argument than someone said it's wrong is absurd, The bible that you cling to was written at least 100 years after any possible existence of jesus, other historians of the same time and period make no reference to jesus EVER, dont know about you but I think someone walking on water would at least be noted down somewhere.
You call me perverted without even being able to quote your 'robust formula'...You express unbelief, you are entitled to believe not, if you wish. It is your funeral.
The quantity of carbon 14 within carbanaceous materials is subject to exponetial decay, that is to say it decreases at a rate proportional to its value, expressed in a formula that my keyboard lacks the correct symbols for, I never said you were perverted I said your logic was, because you provide no real counter argument or rational reason as to why carbon dating is wrong, other than it doesn't fit the idea of a 4000 year old world.
The rate is an estimate, the ratio is an estimate(imagine 1 to 1 trillion parts), the process of decay is affected by altitudes and other factors. There have been several datings that when compared to historical datings, turned up false...many scientists also DO NOT SUPPORT IT...it is like a lie detector test or depending on a psychic to find something.....hmmmmm 4000 years ago, people were smarter than now.
Where in the bible does it say we CANNOT believe in evolution, the big bang or quantum physics in order to be saved? You have yet to present anything directly from the Bible that says anything at all against these ideas. All you have is your interpretation of what the Bible says. God has given us the intelligence to understand the complexities of the universe He created. I am thrilled to be able to get closer to understanding God's creation.
Evolution teaches that we came from apes...The bible teaches that God created us...What do you want again? You want the bible to cater for skeptics and unbelievers by starting its own arguments? You need to pray for understanding.
"It is your funeral." How many people have YOU turned away from God because of your stubborn determination to believe something not supported by scripture? YOU will have to stand before God and explain to him why so many souls were lost because you demonstrated no free will and blindly followed someone who knew nothing about the subject, but pretended to be a voice of authority. You have not been saved, because YOU are not making the choices. Someone has told you what to believe.
When someone blatantly and willfully misrepresent God or his word, then as the scriptures say "He that is an heretic after the first and second admonition, REJECT"...I reject also. Broad is the way that leads to destruction and many there are that find it...You are in the majority so comfort yourself in your mockeries.
Nobody is mocking anyone they are trying to have a rational discourse, yet you seem intent on dismissing others idea's when they provide reasoning to support there ideas, yet you provide none for your own, and inform us all that were going to hell or we're along the road to destruction, yet provide no reasoning as to why thats the case, your comment on carbon dating is poor, whilst it isn't infallable, you can reduce the margin of error with multiple samples and the use of calibration curves.
the term cult historically is not as we understand it today, cult in the context above is used to refer to a number of devoted followers to a given set of tennants, cults of the ancient world, include the cult of zeus or aphrodite or any other deity, basically members of a cult observed a set of beliefs that marked them apart from the general populace, So no it is not mocking and I have no problem with english comprehension thank you.
We were discussing evolution vs creationism until, you derailed the conversation with mindless rhetoric and arguments about semantics, look I'm done with you you're arguments amount to nothing more than raising misunderstood points, (which I addressed) then rhetoric, you accused me of going all over the place when I have only done that to address false accusations by you, you dont want to discuss this realy so I'll leave it at this.
That's not entirely true. We need to be as accurate as possible, even if 6468lee has chosen not to be. My untestanding is there were a few historical reference to Jesus in terms of the "cult" he founded. Also, I think the current belief is that the first Christian writings were 70-100 AD. However, those times are probably made up by atheist scientists because they were calculated using carbon-14 dating, which we all know to be invalid. ;-)
"It's OK for the Bible to be innacurate to get its point across"
Who said this? A parable is not an attempt to give scientific truth, but spiritual truth, however, the mustard seed was the smallest seed known to the then people to whom the parable was given.
How come in modern day science we have a vehicle being powered by 'HORSE POWER'? Don't they know that there are no horses legs in a vehicle??? You need to study "Creative writing" and also understand analogies and figurative speaking as all being perfectly correct ways to express yourself. "ALL FOUR" refers to walking birds that 'CANNOT' fly.
Palin refused again to release her medical records! She says we should take her word on her health. NO WAY! Besides, a medical examination would show that she was not pregnant this year.
Palin is truly a Moron. She cannot even lie well. Mccain chose a silly woman with no background, no intelligence, just a parrot of right-wing propoganda!
No, everyone over 50. The younger generations are finally waking up to realize that older people are just taking up much needed space. Just think of all the free space on the roads, stores and neighborhoods if everyone over 50-60 were gone.
I am all for "retiring" people of age. The goverment can seize their assets and spread it out.
I could leave a very intelligent and informative comment about her lack of knowledge on almost all important matters..but no. That is one stupid bitch.
Keokinoske, you are right. We lost all our rights these last 8 years. We can no longer even travel outside our states without a permit, we are shot after speaking publicly negatively about out government with no trial. We are communist Russia now.
Biden, "I know for a fact that Mr. Obama was tested for AIDS!" Wow what a choice. the first gay President with AIDS! Well at least we will have a white cristian MAN president! No wonder Hillary bailed on Obama and even his wife is missing. Sara's family was at the debate! Mr. Obama did you beat your wife the way a true Muslim does?
rushie neocons are sooo much like killers charlie manson and jefferie dahmer that i confuse the three .. they have sold their souls to satan and are liars .. sarah is saying that obama is palling around with terrorists who would target his own country ... but that is what the rushie neocons did on 911 ... murdering thousands then flying their business partner bin ladens out ... diabolical .. the neocons spend $500M+ for show biz talk shows to dupe the dopes .. but they had to knock off russert
I.for one am fucking terrified.
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saumya7209 1 year ago
We have to live with lies like this in a free society.
mccommas2 2 years ago
way to sound byte it man... at 0:40 thats not even palin, oh and by the way... all the shit your saying in this video about raising taxes, and haveing so many earmarks... well look what obama is doing now! kind of similar to the thing you hate...
NERDFREAKINGPOWER 2 years ago
This is getting quite out of hand.
Ok, in this comment thread: Briefs vs. Boxers. Go.
GrandWazoo9 2 years ago
Boxers man. Only little boys wear briefs!
playcubex13 2 years ago
I notice that all of the Obama haters can only use insults and obscenities to make their points. Nothing that can educate or inform the reader. If Obama isn't a US citizen, then deport him legally...If he is a terrorist, then have him locked up and sentenced...instead all you do is slander and 'BANG'.
6468lee 3 years ago
There is no scientific proof for the big 'BANG' theory...nothing that 'BANGS' ever forms something good and organized. How can Americans believe that this beautiful and organized world of ours with such intelligent people and other living things could have happened by accident? If man can create, then man could have been created by someone much more intelligent and powerful than us. CREATION is the only sensible thing for me to believe because it allows me to respect GOD as my loving Creator.
6468lee 3 years ago
6468lee
"There is no scientific proof for the big 'BANG' theory...nothing that 'BANGS' ever forms something good and organized. "
This is very true! I BANGED your mom, you were the result. As you duly noted, NOTHING GOOD OR ORGANIZED WAS FORMED. Only YOU.
Why isn't anyone mentioning the fact that BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA isn't a US CITIZEN? HMMMMM??
whoregay 3 years ago
Barack Hussein Obama is a United States citizen.
IntractableMonkey 3 years ago
6468lee-While I respect your opinion, your comments indicate that you know very little about cosmology or the Bible. The only way that the Bible "disproves" the big band theory or evolution, is by taking "7 days" as literal. You must then take the rest literally and that is definately not a place you want to go.
melreynolds61 3 years ago
The bible is truth...the same bible says that "2Pe 3:8
But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day." At the same time I am willing to take it as either 7 days or 7thousand years ...it is still God who created, not a 'BIG BANG'.
6468lee 3 years ago
"And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. And God said, Let there be light: and there was light."
That was the "big bang".
Keep in mind that a "bang" can only happen where there is sound and that the "big bang" is a concept and not representative of an explosion in the traditional sense but rather a sudden expansion.
So, why didn't God cause this expansion to happen?
melreynolds61 3 years ago
"And God said, Let there be light: and there was light."
That was the "big bang".
ARE YOU MAD??? It is foolish and deceptive to change 'LET THERE BE' into 'BANG' just to deny the bible as complete TRUTH. If God started it then we must accept that he also formed fishes, birds, animals etc. HE IS GOD OF ALL OR ELSE HE IS NOT GOD AT ALL.
6468lee 3 years ago
Were you born an idiot or did you fall on your head? "big bang" was/is a term simply to describe the sudden expansion of the universe. Where in the bible does it say that "let there be" does *not* mean this sudden expansion. It doesn't. PERIOD. Christianity does not mean you turn off your God given brain.
What about the contraditions within the Bible? That is, saying A in one place and then B in another. That sure ain't "complete TRUTH" to me.
melreynolds61 3 years ago
The "big bang" is a 'VOOP' theory that suggests a start of the universe and life. It is because scientists cannot come up with a logical start so they say "Once upon a time, there was a BANG and the universe started, then evolution took over" Are you changing the fairy tale for me?
6468lee 3 years ago
Just how ignorant are you? The big bang theory has ZERO to do with evolution. It has zero to do with biology. Where did you get this complete nonsense that the big bang theory says anything like "and the universe started, then evolution took over". No cosmologist ever connected the two. I put forth, you are making that part up. If so, you are lying. That would make you a liar, right? What does the Bible say about liars?
melreynolds61 3 years ago
One more thing, my reference to the "big bang" does not deny anything. I am not denying that the universe was created. You are one who is deny the "big bang" although there is NOTHING in the Bible that denies it. It is only YOUR misguided mis-interpretation of the Bible that denies it. Also your "7thousand years" from a previous post contradicts the claim that the Earth was created in 4004 BC. Can't you make up your mind?
melreynolds61 3 years ago
The bible clearly explains how man and the universe were CREATED BY GOD, in the book of Genesis. The 'big bang' is a total denial of GOD AS CREATOR...evolution theory is a further denial of GOD AS CREATOR AND SUSTAINER OF LIFE. The living God created living things and all the systems for reproduction, adaptation, mutation etc...this is true science.
6468lee 3 years ago
Bullshit!!! The big bang is NOT total denial of "GOD AS CREATOR". Evolution is also not a total denial. If God put life on earth and told it to go forth and multiply and created the circumstances whereby simple molecules could combine to form proteins, which then formed single-celled animals which then EVOLVED into man, then God is STILL the creator. NOTHING in the Bible contradicts that. Do you even know how to use your intelligence?
Again, what about all of the contradictions in the Bible?
melreynolds61 3 years ago
If God is great enough to do that, then we should accept what he said he did, not add our own THEORY...GOD MADE MAN by his miraculous POWER in an instant...It is impossible for a simple molecule to 'evolve' into a complex, programmed, intelligent, beautiful being like man...EVOLUTION IS A LIE!
6468lee 3 years ago
Just where in the Bible does God say what he actually did? Have you even read it? All Genesis says is that he created the world. He does not say how. Isn't God powerful enough to create a universe where "simple molecule to 'evolve' into a complex, programmed, intelligent, beautiful being like man"? So you are saying there is a limitation to what God can do? So, he is NOT capable of creating a universe where life "evolves".
Again, what about all of the contradictions in the Bible?
melreynolds61 3 years ago
Genesis 2:7 says "And the Lord God made man from the dust of the earth, breathing into him the breath of life: and man became a living soul"
The whole of chapter one outlines how God did it...He simply said "LET THERE BE" Don't try to fill in the blanks.
What contradictions do you know of in the bible? THERE IS NONE MY FRIEND.
6468lee 3 years ago
Well, there certainly are a lot of blanks and throughout history there has been a lot of suffering because people filled in the blanks differently. Are saying that we need to take *everything* in the bible 100% literally? So "dust of the earth" is not the proteins that combined to form complex molecules and then single-celled organism, but the stuff that is under your bed, is that right? So when Genesis says "7 days" it means literally 7 days, but that contradicts what you said early.
melreynolds61 3 years ago
Contradictions: Do you honestly believe that the Bible is the 100% accurate, infallible, inerrant word of God? That is, you claim there are NO (read: ZERO) mistakes. I'm not talking about mispellings which could have be caused by translation or printing errors. I am talking about where the bible says two completely different things in different places, doctrinal or not. That's a contradiction. Can we agree on that?
melreynolds61 3 years ago
I am curious about something here. It wasn't until 1992 that the Church admitted Jupiter has moons and the Earth is not the center of the universe. It took them almost 400 years to admit that their *interpretation* of the Bible was wrong. Are we going to have to wait until 2409 before some people wise up about cosmology and evolution? Or will some people remain in the dark ages forever?
melreynolds61 3 years ago
Science has been exposing new knowledge all the time...that does not interfere with what the bible says. The CHURCH can mean so many things...who is the church really? I don't defend churches, I defend the bible. CAN YOU ENLIGHTEN ME ON EVIDENCE THAT PROVES EVOLUTION? REMEMBER IT IS STILL JUST A THEORY... HMMMMM
6468lee 3 years ago
In the case of Galileo it was the Pope, but so many others have interpreted the Bible to mean the heavens are unchanging and the Earth is at the center. Like people who believe evolution today, Galileo was persecuted. Granted one cannot proof evolution, but one can prove the age of things. The age of the Earth is billions of years. Not the thousands that people claim. Dinosaurs are provably miliions of years old, although Bible-thumpers claim they existed at the same time as man.
melreynolds61 3 years ago
The bible does not say that anyway, so why make it an issue? You ever wonder why they don't introduce carbon testing in school science syllabus? Carbon dating is a flawed and contradictory process...they claim to know how old the earth is but they cannot tell exactly when Caylee Anthony died...
check out this video...Creation / Evolution debate on Michael Coren Show, you will be enlightened.
6468lee 3 years ago
Are you really that lame? The reason why carbon dating isn't used to determine the time of death is because the accuracy in the best case is +/- 20 years. When measuring dates 20,000 years ago, 20 years is insignificant. When dealing with much older things, scientists use radiometric dating. It too can be off by a few percent, but over millions of years its unimportant. Not in schools? I learned about it in high school during the 1970s and my kids still get taught it.
melreynolds61 3 years ago
So you believe that something that cannot even measure twenty or less years accurately can measure billions of years accurately? Do you also know that science has found new evidence that the fossil layers really show no significant(millions of years) time difference in their formations? ATHEIST SCIENTISTS ARE LYING.
6468lee 3 years ago
"something that cannot even measure twenty or less years accurately can measure billions of years accurately?"
By that, "logic" a yard-stick is useless because accurately measure a human hair. A wall clock is useless because it cannot measure the beat of a hummingbird's wing.
Even if what you are saying about the fossil layers is true, that's still **millions** of years. WAIT!!! The world was created in 4004 BC. Either the interpretation of the bible is WRONG or the world is much older.
melreynolds61 3 years ago
A measuring instrument is designed to accurately measure something, eg a scale for weight, clock for time etc. In order to gain further accuracy, each valid instrument can be tweaked to suit eg, you can tweak a yardstick by redesigning it, using the same basic concept to get a slide rule for measuring the hair...Why can't you redesign carbon testing to measure 10 years? Why isn't there a "slide rule" version?
6468lee 3 years ago
Apprarently, your only understanding of carbon-14 is that someone in your church told you it is a lie spread by atheist scientists.
Carbon-14 dating measures one of the processes that God created in this universe. To some extent it is taking an average. The longer the sample size the more accurate the measurement. Like counting cars that pass a an intersection. You could messure it for 10 minutes or whole day. Which gives you better data?
melreynolds61 3 years ago
I asked for an example...PROOF
I have studied the bible for years and found no errors...there are cases where different writers gave different(not conflicting) accounts of the same event, or different opinions on a matter...but that is normal when you have 66 books written by over 40 authors to make one unified BIBLE inspired by GOD...can you imagine authors who lived in different times agreeing so well on a topic without consulting each other?
6468lee 3 years ago
Gen 32:30 "...for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved."
John 1:18 states, "No man hath seen God at any time..."
Matt 1:16: "And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus..."
Luke 3:23 "And Jesus...the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli"
melreynolds61 3 years ago
Jacob wrestled with an angel of God and prevailed...in his celebration he said I have seen God face to face...if you send me a million dollars, I will be justified in saying, God sent me a million dollars, won't I? Why do you wrestle with the scriptures in this way? No man in this corrupt, sinful body can face a holy, majestic GOD and live...we must be changed into an immortal body first by SALVATION.
6468lee 3 years ago
Even I have two different names that I am known by...Simon was also called Peter, Jacob was also called Israel...you miss the point, that Jesus Christ is a historically registered person, that same history has recorded his death and resurrection...He is now LORD OF ALL.
6468lee 3 years ago
"Jesus Christ is a historically registered person, that same history has recorded his death and resurrection." - The only "history" that did that is the Bible. Again, like a criminal saying "I'm innocent" so we have to believe it. The only *real* historical references I have even heard of are
melreynolds61 3 years ago
references to his followers and his name is mentioned in a description of this new "cult".
melreynolds61 3 years ago
Lev 11:20-21: "All fowls that creep, going upon all four, shall be an abomination unto you."
Since He created them, one would expect that God knows that fowls do NOT go "upon all four"
Matthew 13:31-32 He put another parable before them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is like a grain of mustard seed that a man took and sowed in his field. It is the smallest of all seeds,...."
Since He created everything, one would expect that God knows that the mustard seed is NOT the smallest seed.
melreynolds61 3 years ago
This is a parable...The black mustard seed (Brassica nigra = Sinapis nigra) was the smallest seed ever sown by a first-century farmer in that part of the world.
It's also true, as many modern-day encyclopedias will tell you, that the black mustard seed in Israel will typically grow to heights of 3.7 meters, or twelve (12) feet)—plenty large enough to hold a bird nest.
6468lee 3 years ago
"This is a parable..."
Your point? It's OK for the Bible to be innacurate to get its point across? So would it be then permissible for the human writers of the Bible to lie to get their point across? (i.e. some of Paul's letter were not really written by Paul) It would also be OK to add things to the Bible despite what is said in the Book of Revelation? The Bible says not to add things, people had added things. It is one big contradiction!
melreynolds61 3 years ago
Thank you for the invite melreynolds, to 6468lee, your logic is perverted at best, carbon/radium dating is based on a mathematically robust formula, to challenge it with no other argument than someone said it's wrong is absurd, The bible that you cling to was written at least 100 years after any possible existence of jesus, other historians of the same time and period make no reference to jesus EVER, dont know about you but I think someone walking on water would at least be noted down somewhere.
sonny2dap 3 years ago
You call me perverted without even being able to quote your 'robust formula'...You express unbelief, you are entitled to believe not, if you wish. It is your funeral.
6468lee 3 years ago
The quantity of carbon 14 within carbanaceous materials is subject to exponetial decay, that is to say it decreases at a rate proportional to its value, expressed in a formula that my keyboard lacks the correct symbols for, I never said you were perverted I said your logic was, because you provide no real counter argument or rational reason as to why carbon dating is wrong, other than it doesn't fit the idea of a 4000 year old world.
sonny2dap 3 years ago
The rate is an estimate, the ratio is an estimate(imagine 1 to 1 trillion parts), the process of decay is affected by altitudes and other factors. There have been several datings that when compared to historical datings, turned up false...many scientists also DO NOT SUPPORT IT...it is like a lie detector test or depending on a psychic to find something.....hmmmmm 4000 years ago, people were smarter than now.
6468lee 3 years ago
Where in the bible does it say we CANNOT believe in evolution, the big bang or quantum physics in order to be saved? You have yet to present anything directly from the Bible that says anything at all against these ideas. All you have is your interpretation of what the Bible says. God has given us the intelligence to understand the complexities of the universe He created. I am thrilled to be able to get closer to understanding God's creation.
melreynolds61 3 years ago
Evolution teaches that we came from apes...The bible teaches that God created us...What do you want again? You want the bible to cater for skeptics and unbelievers by starting its own arguments? You need to pray for understanding.
6468lee 3 years ago
"It is your funeral." How many people have YOU turned away from God because of your stubborn determination to believe something not supported by scripture? YOU will have to stand before God and explain to him why so many souls were lost because you demonstrated no free will and blindly followed someone who knew nothing about the subject, but pretended to be a voice of authority. You have not been saved, because YOU are not making the choices. Someone has told you what to believe.
melreynolds61 3 years ago
When someone blatantly and willfully misrepresent God or his word, then as the scriptures say "He that is an heretic after the first and second admonition, REJECT"...I reject also. Broad is the way that leads to destruction and many there are that find it...You are in the majority so comfort yourself in your mockeries.
6468lee 3 years ago
Nobody is mocking anyone they are trying to have a rational discourse, yet you seem intent on dismissing others idea's when they provide reasoning to support there ideas, yet you provide none for your own, and inform us all that were going to hell or we're along the road to destruction, yet provide no reasoning as to why thats the case, your comment on carbon dating is poor, whilst it isn't infallable, you can reduce the margin of error with multiple samples and the use of calibration curves.
sonny2dap 3 years ago
Melreynolds61 said..."My untestanding is there were a few historical reference to Jesus in terms of the "cult" he founded."
ISN'T THIS MOCKING???? You obviously have a problem with reading or are simply toying with me.
6468lee 3 years ago
the term cult historically is not as we understand it today, cult in the context above is used to refer to a number of devoted followers to a given set of tennants, cults of the ancient world, include the cult of zeus or aphrodite or any other deity, basically members of a cult observed a set of beliefs that marked them apart from the general populace, So no it is not mocking and I have no problem with english comprehension thank you.
sonny2dap 3 years ago
what are we really discussing here? Other people may be reading these comments you know... You keep going all over the place...WHAT IS YOUR POINT?
6468lee 3 years ago
We were discussing evolution vs creationism until, you derailed the conversation with mindless rhetoric and arguments about semantics, look I'm done with you you're arguments amount to nothing more than raising misunderstood points, (which I addressed) then rhetoric, you accused me of going all over the place when I have only done that to address false accusations by you, you dont want to discuss this realy so I'll leave it at this.
sonny2dap 3 years ago
LOL...:ooooo
6468lee 3 years ago
That's not entirely true. We need to be as accurate as possible, even if 6468lee has chosen not to be. My untestanding is there were a few historical reference to Jesus in terms of the "cult" he founded. Also, I think the current belief is that the first Christian writings were 70-100 AD. However, those times are probably made up by atheist scientists because they were calculated using carbon-14 dating, which we all know to be invalid. ;-)
melreynolds61 3 years ago
"It's OK for the Bible to be innacurate to get its point across"
Who said this? A parable is not an attempt to give scientific truth, but spiritual truth, however, the mustard seed was the smallest seed known to the then people to whom the parable was given.
6468lee 3 years ago
How come in modern day science we have a vehicle being powered by 'HORSE POWER'? Don't they know that there are no horses legs in a vehicle??? You need to study "Creative writing" and also understand analogies and figurative speaking as all being perfectly correct ways to express yourself. "ALL FOUR" refers to walking birds that 'CANNOT' fly.
6468lee 3 years ago
"ALL FOUR" refers to walking birds that 'CANNOT' fly. - Perhaps a valid point
melreynolds61 3 years ago
Palin refused again to release her medical records! She says we should take her word on her health. NO WAY! Besides, a medical examination would show that she was not pregnant this year.
QueensLadyDay 3 years ago
Palin is truly a Moron. She cannot even lie well. Mccain chose a silly woman with no background, no intelligence, just a parrot of right-wing propoganda!
imhotep38 3 years ago 3
so barrack is qualified based on his ability to lie through his teeth?
sneaker73 3 years ago
hot air again... facts ?
vanyok 3 years ago
lowbottomranch, you are too old to have an opinion. No one cares about people over 50, they are a waste of air.
audioslave2300 3 years ago
I agree with that at least in terms of George Bush, Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Condoleezza Rice, Bill O'Reilly and Rush Limbaugh.
melreynolds61 3 years ago
No, everyone over 50. The younger generations are finally waking up to realize that older people are just taking up much needed space. Just think of all the free space on the roads, stores and neighborhoods if everyone over 50-60 were gone.
I am all for "retiring" people of age. The goverment can seize their assets and spread it out.
audioslave2300 3 years ago
"I am all for "retiring" people of age. The goverment can seize their assets and spread it out."
UNTIL YOU REACH 50...LOL
6468lee 3 years ago
If it includes George Bush (jr and sr), Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Condoleezza Rice, Bill O'Reilly and Rush Limbaugh, it might be a good thing.
melreynolds61 3 years ago
Palin...reeking stinking nasty filthy dripping cunt!
Hdtex 3 years ago
I could leave a very intelligent and informative comment about her lack of knowledge on almost all important matters..but no. That is one stupid bitch.
SeoulSon51 3 years ago 3
This country is hypocrisy. We claim to go to other countries to establish democracy, when our country is missing just that: DEMOCRACY.
LeoKinoske 3 years ago 3
Keokinoske, you are right. We lost all our rights these last 8 years. We can no longer even travel outside our states without a permit, we are shot after speaking publicly negatively about out government with no trial. We are communist Russia now.
audioslave2300 3 years ago
palin is a moron ....
pa4adjk 3 years ago 9
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Biden, "I know for a fact that Mr. Obama was tested for AIDS!" Wow what a choice. the first gay President with AIDS! Well at least we will have a white cristian MAN president! No wonder Hillary bailed on Obama and even his wife is missing. Sara's family was at the debate! Mr. Obama did you beat your wife the way a true Muslim does?
Dallouez 3 years ago
rushie neocons are sooo much like killers charlie manson and jefferie dahmer that i confuse the three .. they have sold their souls to satan and are liars .. sarah is saying that obama is palling around with terrorists who would target his own country ... but that is what the rushie neocons did on 911 ... murdering thousands then flying their business partner bin ladens out ... diabolical .. the neocons spend $500M+ for show biz talk shows to dupe the dopes .. but they had to knock off russert
AgnesBojaxhiu2000 3 years ago
thx for upload :)
michaelmaage 3 years ago