This is a bullshit video.....the fuel cells work....they CREATE Hydrogen...which is a by product of water going through the electrolysis process.....look it up in a physics book.
@cowgirl69ism No, they don't CREATE hydrogen. They SEPARATE hydrogen from oxygen and that requires energy. MORE energy than you get by recombining the hydrogen with oxygen by way of combustion. Hence, the overall efficiency is LOWER. Simple science -- look up "conservation of energy" and learn something about thermodynamics before you try to tell others what's right and what's wrong.
@xjet Good job Bruce! This is the same kind of CRAP that I saw in the 80's when wrapping your fuel supply line with cow magnets was supposed to re-align the "ions" in the gas to promote better burning of the fuel by keeping them from touching the intake manifold walls.I did my own experiments with this stuff and found it to be useless.The only thing that i found to work was installing screens in the venturies of my carburater,but all that did was help with throttle response.
@xjet no you ignorant dolt, to draw that conclusion is ignoring the very laws of thermodynamics you are trying to cite. Clearly you are uninformed because you miss the clear logical implication the laws of thermodynamics implicate, that is no system can work at 100% efficiency. Now lets take an internal combustion engine that runs at 30% efficiency. Loads of gas is wasted in every stroke of an engine. Hydrogen promotes the better combustion of the gas. amtGas * 30% eff = less gas * >30%
@keepItGoingg so clearly the issue is not that there is no free power, but that we can gain net overall gains by running our alternator and thus hho genny. an engine making 35 hp burns 40 mpg and is 30% efficient. It costs a few ounces an hour to produce 20 amps to run the hho generator. The hho boost begins in trace amounts. Take an engine that gets 30% effiency and bump it to 40%. so what you are using 5% more engine power, you are getting 33% more free. See how this works yet??
Well, I guess I'll just be sitting next to my HHO dry cell, lawnmower engine, alternators, and view some articles made by dumbfucks like you on my laptop, with the help of an inverter.
A very accurate video. Sure it's possible to run a car on hydrogen but the idea that hydrogen produced by an onboard electrolysis cell can save you fuel or run an engine is a pure hoax! The people who say they are saving fuel by fitting electrolysis cells can't seem to provide any sort of real proof that their claims are true surprisingly enough...
@smiles1969able i prefer my homemade pedal powered tuk-tuk for anything under 3 or 4 miles. and by the way, thank you for saying petrol. i hate hearing silly americans say "gas"
The problem is you're attacking the idea that your car can "run on water." Of course you're not "running on water" or hydrogen even. You're injecting it into your fuel to help combust your fuel more efficiently, since hydrogen is more explosive. You lose fuel economy making the hydrogen, but gain even more in combustion your own fuel better. So, for the idiots thinking you can run on just HHO, it doesn't work. simple thermodynamics. But as for injecting into your gasoline or diesel, yes it does.
@Dudanation12 Unfortunately you are wrong. The levels of H2/O2 required to produce an improvement on combustion efficiency that would offset the energy cost of producing that gas via onboard electrolysis is too high for any standard vehicle's electrical system. The amount of electrical energy required is several kilowatts -- far more than *any* car alternator can deliver and even then, the extra load requires *more* fuel to be burned.
I don't see why there is a defining amount of hydrogen which would be required to achieve more efficiency. If I put in a little, I get back a little. Put in a lot, possibly a lot more. A real load of it, probably going out the tailpipe. I'll be finding out, I have one installed and I keep very good records and observations. We'll see.
@Dudanation12 Refer to the SAE and NASA studies on hydrogen enrichment. You'll find the data there. Basically, they show that relatively high levels of H2 are required to show any significant improvement in combustion efficiencies. The problem with these onboard H2/O2 generators is that they simply can't create enough gas to have a measurable effect and even when they do, the energy cost (in terms of electrical power) far exceeds the energy recovered through that combustion improvement.
@a2zhandi Hey, all someone has to do is front up with the independently verified scientifically conducted trials that prove this stuff works -- but nobody has. Why do you think that is? Nothing personal but I'm going to have to thumb your comment down because you offer no proof that this stuff works at all.
I appreciate this video for exposing the HHO scammers, but please dont try to force your disbelief on others. HHO or browns gas DOES work... If you know what doing. The information is out there people and you dont have to pay for it. Just READ!
@antienlu It's not my disbelief, it's simply science. There are no credible independent scientific studies that show onboard hydrogen production systems produce any improvement in fuel efficiency. If they did, every vehicle manufacturer in the world would be fitting them as standard equipment.
@xjet Well I just found your video "after" buying one from a website not mentioned in this video . I didn't notice a huge difference, but in my SUV I did average about 3 mpg higher on the highway, and 4-5 mpg higher in city. I'm not a spammer or advertiser, but just wanted to let you know that it does seem to work. I am only running mine on 10 amps though, so tomorrow I'm going to experiment with different amounts of electricity to see if I get different results.
@a2zhandi my goal is for everybody to have one in their car! Oil can eat their blk gold. They've made way too much money, and obtained way too much power for WAY too long.
@a2zhandi So why does "Oil" allow Toyota to make the Prius, Nissan to make the Leaf and Mitsubishi to make the MeV? Surely, if "oil" didn't want people getting better gas mileage, they'd be stopping Chevy from making the Volt and none of the car makers would be building hybrids or EVs. Doesn't add up does it? Occam's Razor my friend.
@a2zhandi Electricity is controlled? Hang on, you can make electricity from the wind or from the sun. How is that controlled? HHO-equipped vehicles still require gasoline -- pure EVs don't. So tell me again why big-oil isn't stopping auto-makers from building EVs yet they are (allegedly) stopping them from using HHO?
@xjet no no NO, not electricity. Even though that is controlled as well. But the filling stations where people who own hydrogen cars fill up is CONTROLLED! And will soon reach .... yes you guessed it. RECORD PROFITS!!!
@a2zhandi I'm not talking about hydrogen -- I'm talking about EVs that run on electricity, electricity you can generate at home with solar cells or wind-generators. That costs *NOTHING* -- so why is big oil allowing all the major auto-makers to build EVs, which mean you buy *no* gasoline and *no* hydrogen - but they won't allow the same auto-makers to fit HHO that merely reduces the use of gasoline. Doesn't make any sense because it's not true.
Hey how about showing some facts, and why are car makers investing in hydrogen cars. Yes maybe these guys don't have it down all the way but at least they are trying.
If you want better mpg here is a list of things you can do 1 cold air intake system 2throttle body spacer 3reprogram the computer 4high performance ignition system 5headers and open up the exhaust
well id di say something in regards to the moon question but it dosnt seem to be on here now weird it was about plane that shouldnt be able to fly like the eurofighter and an isect that defies gravity and physics combined is of corse the bee
now then if you type in geet vapour carburettor i think thats a con personally but as ive not had much time to do much studie on the subject im a bit unsure if you guys know what i mean tell me what you think of geet. and if you have checked out that wood gassifier comment i left would appreciate an input
so just a thought to everyone long after were all dead and gone in this world you really wouldnt mind your kids/grandkids to not stickto something who was it now that said we choose not to go to the moon because its easy but because its hard kennedy wasnt it ?
@greyandme2 But once again - sending man to the moon didn't violate any of the laws of physics - in fact it was our intimate understanding of physics and chemistry that allowed us to reach the moon. But now people are saying those laws are wrong and a bunch of ill-informed amateurs are putting the worlds greatest minds to shame. Strangely enough though, not one of those clever amateurs has stepped forwards to claim their Nobel prize.
@xjet yeah spot on but dont forget macarthur grant $500.000 prize is it and nobel prize 1 million dollars would be cool for any one to win really but you dont think if someone were to walk in to a credited university with no qualifications in any field he or she would be taken seriously no is the answer your looking for so how do you begin to be taken seriously in other words university and many other establisments like to use the cassandras complex on the lower class orpeoplewithnoqualification
@xjet well im pretty sure at one time in history it would have done until someone proved them wrong regarding But once again - sending man to the moon didn't violate any of the laws of physics - in fact it was our intimate understanding of physics and chemistry [and heres a little joke laws are meant to be broken/bent from [time to time] geek alert
@xjet type in your youtube browser woodgassification and see what comes up now if that aint a renewable sorce its as close as we may ever come to it also would like your views on set subject and biofuel/biogas/biodiesel as i do enjoy the little banter
@xjet well there are some airoplanes in your video description that say things that shouldnt fly but do like the bee its wings are too small too get its fatt little body of the ground and no thats not directed at you b4 you say anything back now the bee defies the laws of physics but it still flys
@xjet also i plan on using a solar panel to power the hho system with a li ion battery as a power source the solar panel charges the battery then powers the hho should be no significant power loss there in regards to the engine
ill just be glad to have myself alittle project to mess around with the devil makes work for idle thumbs lol and you never know i might prove myself wrong and if ido then ido simples really can do attitude never hurt anyone i know in life
@greyandme2 I would strongly encourage people in your position to have a play and see what they find. Just don't be too disappointed when centuries of scientific study and knowledge win out over a few years of well-intentioned but ill-informed fanaticism :-)
@xjet im not a fanaticist but you know what thanks for that comment well intentioned. is really what i was striving for ill informed maybe but there you go im on the sick at the moment so idont have much to do anyways so its not like it wouldnt bother me if it turned out to be a farce so to speak it would just give my hands something better to do with my time other then jerking off to porn on the internet
@xjet dont worry wont be dissapointed either way if it fails or if it works you make model airoplanes yes well there are some airoplanes in your video description that say things that shouldnt fly but do like the bee its wings are too small too get its fatt little body of the ground and no thats not directed at you b4 you say anything back
just a few examples isac newton once referd to an even older saying then him standing on the shoulders of giants and boyles law (sometimes referred to as the Boyle-Mariotte law) and of corse even my favourite thomas edison who didnt give up on making the light bulb after his first 150 odd times he failed it only took one attempt to make it work
@greyandme2 The difference is that the light bulb never flew in the face of long accepted and tested science. It was simply an engineering challenge. The science says that HHO simply won't work in the way it is being pitched (ie: onboard generation using electrical power from a vehicles alternator). That is a *huge* difference. As far as I know, Newton never once attempted to or managed to circumvent the laws of physics -- in fact he helped define many of them!
@xjet spot on with what your saying all iwas trying to say was the saying that isaac newton once referred to standing onthe shoulders of giants google it and do a bit more research into the saying then youll know what i mean and with regards about thomas edison at least he didnt give up the first time other wise we wouldnt be where we ar now with technology thats all iwas trying to say to seacoastauto
@xjet with regards your last statement haa a car can power a house for gods sake granted it would use a lot of fuel to do so but all it would be pwoering is a 5amp hho generator and people could just have a switch to turn on the hho when you want it to work occums razor the most simplest solution is always the first one you think of. no newton didnt circumvent the laws of physics correct in what your saying. right newton had to dealwithcritisism just likewhatyourdoing beingacritisisbloodygoogle
@greyandme2 i f##cking hate youtube sometimes cant put down all the words you want to say irriatating 500 characters and thats all f##cking stupid wish some one would just chage the minimum to a least 800 words or something
@greyandme2 There's a difference between subjective criticism and violating the well-established l laws of physics. The reality is that although H2 can improve combustion efficiencies, it only does so in ratios that are far higher than any onboard HHO system can produce. Simple fact and one that I'll demonstrate under very simple and scientifically controlled conditions.
@xjet haha, there you go with your controlled experiments. It's all about control. Get it?
There is a professor on YT someplace I've seen where he tells of making hydrogen in large quantities. And NOT violating any physics laws! Science is out of control. By remaining in the box. Or keeping everybody else in the box. Science wants to keep it that way. They don't want ANY back yard garage dog inventing something they CAN'T!
@xjet with regards my last statement i meant to sy athe end edison had to deal with criticism but was too concerned with reaching my limit on characters to notice i put newton twice
to XJET if all it takes to build one of these devices is jam jars tubing water and a coulpe of wires then why dont you make one your self being as you already know how to make one as most people do by now just by visting youtube and with regards to the end of the video the hydrogen car is made by car manufacturers not petrol companys and why they made it is quite simple this is a capitalist world we live in now go back to building your model airoplanes and take your medication
@greyandme2 Don't worry, as soon as time (and money) allows I'll be making a video showing my own tests conducted under controlled conditions. If I (and the science) is wrong then I'll gladly show everyone and be shocked as hell. If I'm right, I'm sure dozens of HHO fanbois will come up with what they consider valid reasons for criticizing my test methodology or claiming that I rigged the results.
@xjet well at least then we will know your not sponsord by the oil companys for giving it a try. under controlled conditions would be a good idea and i wasnt calling you a retard that last bit was retorical in other words some people but being as now i have a feeling what kind of person you are no you are not a complete retard but if you know your history thomas edison failed 151something times at making a light bulb and found 1 way to make it work just a thought
@xjet im glad to see you see the conflicting issues that this video did bring up like isaid to seacoastauto id rather give something else a try then use those pointless additives
@xjet p.s dont bother making it in a jamjar although it will work it aparently dosnt produce near enough as a dry cell would so if you were to make one the dry cell would be the way forward if you like i can either send you a free copy of the dry cell plans or tell you which the place to get it off the internet apparently you can use titanium but i dont see how thats cost effective considering the plates can cost anything upwards from $500 if i make one ill just use stainless steel
you know what it really annoys me sometimes if people like this guy in the video knows how to make a hho generator like he said some jam jars and and wires why the hell doesnt he make one being as hes obviously a professor in engineering and physicsand with regards to it being a scam for some websites who knows but ilike i said and he said all you need is some jam jars and wires to find out lmao some people are just complete retards
@greyandme2 If you are calling me "a complete retard" then I can assure you that you are wrong. Due to surgery and the effects of old age, I have several bits missing -- thus rendering me a "incomplete retard". But thanks for your concern.
@shuggy555 uh, hoper you know its the same thing.. HHO, browns gas, hydroxy (used is cutting torches to this day), (water fuel / run your car on water are typical scammers) Honest business's call it what it is, Its plain old electrolysis devices.
For those who never believe other ppl (mainly because humans are flawed and make mistakes, I truly believe scientists claim a lot more then the actually know, so its an argument like "the world is flat because science says so"
@Me102288 Does a so-called "hho" cell produce liquid hydrogen, like NASA and BMW use...? NO! Does this "hho" cell produce hydrogen by the liter...? YES! So hydrogen gas having 0.01079MJ PER LITER clearly shows how weak it is in this application. If I'm such a liar, feel free to prove me wrong.
@mad4dskilz nope, but liquid hydrogen is compressed, much like co2 when its compressed to 850 psi it turns to a liquid
P.s. electrolysis puts out hydrogen and oxygen.. oxygen is an accelerent to combustion..01 megajoule? LOL
internal combuystion engine run on explosive fuels.. not joules..
Hydrogen is more explosive then any other fuel on the planet... The fact is, if we can run it on a tank full of compssed hydrogen, how to you figure its absolutely imposible to do it on demand?
@Me102288 liquid hydrogen is compressed, much like co2 when its compressed to 850 psi it turns to a liquid [much like any one else really lol] if i was compressed that much i think id turn to liquid spot on with what you said there
BMW HYDROGEN 7 runs on hydrogen without gasoline.. who ever this guy is he doesn't know anything about hydroxy, hho, oxyhydrogen.. BROWNS GAS (An actuall PATENT in the USA.). simple fact ppl, hydrogen burns 9x faster then gaoline Its 130 octane, which makes it more COMBUSTABLE which is what Internal COMBUSTION engines run on. FACT: HYDROGEN IS THE MOST EFFECIENT in COMBUSTION out of ALL othe fuels on earth. Why the hell you think NASA use'sd it instead of gasoline, Duh
*Hydrogen as a GAS, NOT LIQUID LIKE ON THE SPACE SHUTTLE contains 0.01079 Megajoules per liter(volume)
*Gasoline contains 34.2 megajoules per liter(volume)
*Diesel fuel contains 37.3 megajoules per liter(voume)!!!
Diesel contains the most energy which is why diesel vehicles usually get better gas mileage and gasoline is a close second while hydrogen doesn't even come close, in fact gasoline has over 3000 times the energy of hydrogen by volume.
@mad4dskilz wow quit lieing,, MEASURE to what a combustion engine would use .. Octane or btu's.. you''ll find hydrogen beats every othe fuel on the planet....
BMW have a INTERNAL COMBUSTION ENGINE. BMW Hydrogen 7..
NASA use's it instead of any other fuels... GO ASK THEM WHY
@mad4dskilz that woulsd be really nice if all the gasoline burning.. but unfortunately it doesnt, not all of it burns in the first place..why ya smell that nasty crap coming outta the exaust.. LoL look up the effeciencys of fuel on wikipedia ya might be surprised how bad gasoline is.
@Me102288 Someone else who knows nothing but what the scammers have told him (sigh!). Go do some research on what an octane rating actually means. A high-octane fuel contains no more energy (often less energy) than a low octane one. Did you know (for instance) that jet fuel has a *lower* octane than gasoline??? Come back when you know what you're talking about and not just chanting the HHO chorus from a position of ignorance.
@xjet lol I didnt get hardly any info off the scammers version of HHO on demand, I researchg NASA, BMW, you know, the ppl you can say knows what there doing...
THEN I TESTED IT MYSELF.. idiot.. ya ppl scam all kinds of crap, doesnt mean 100% doesnt work.
Ps, look it up on the msds, hydrogen = 130 OCTANE higher btu, and no polution..
jet fuel is used in jet engines, you see any INTERNAL COMBUSTION ENGINES running alcohol based fuels on the road lately? maybe in drag races.
The HHO boosters do not work! you can´t run your car never fully these HHO cells. To do that is more complicated than just putting two electrodes into the water. Stanley Meyer was able to run the car using only water. But many people took advantage of their success. The electric car is very expensive and you need to load for several hours just to go 150 km. The HHO car runs indefinitely while you have a glass of water on hand.
@SpeedMetal4635 And where do you get your HHO from? From water and electricity right? But it takes longer to create the HHO than it does to recharge an electric vehicle and in fact, all you're doing is wasting huge amounts of energy in the process. An electric motor can be up to 90% efficient, an internal combustion engine (running on HHO or any fuel) is rarely more than 25-28% efficient. Why waste over 70% of your energy turning electricity into an inefficient fuel?
@SpeedMetal4635 then ya dont know sh_t about why it has to work.. adding an accelerant to ANY fuel with up the effeciency of ANY internal combustion engine. reseaerch why ALL of the gasoline doesnt burn, adding a higher octane fuel like Hydrogen just makes all of the gasoline ignite LOL very simple. It happens when you add Nitrous Oxide to a fuel too.. and thats proven, 90% of drag racers use NOS, or pure Oxygen.
It aint rocket science, your using a better fuel to help gasoline burn
this video fucking me sick so conformist. The cars can really run with water, but your ignorance does not allow you to understand. You should investigate instead of just talking.
Clearly, there are scammers, as well as on TV is selling miracle products. You must open your eyes and seek the truth and not listen to those who do business with it.
@SpeedMetal4635 So you're saying that centuries of scientific research and understanding have been rendered useless by some uneducated idiots who have just discovered electrolysis?
No, I saying that the Hydrogen car is very dangerous for the oil industries. If we had an Hydrogen car never again we pay for gasoline. Is for that reason that never we will see this in the TV.
check it out to stanley meyer hidrogen car and his documents.
when someone patents his invention the government buy it. when someone invents something important then the government buy it or will kill you. So is the business.
@SpeedMetal4635 So how come all the major auto-makers are testing fully electric vehicles with plans to release versions for the public to buy in just a few years. Why would they try to suppress something like these lame HHO boosters that simply *reduce* the use of gasoline when they're doing nothing about stopping fully electric vehicles that use no gas at all. Occam's Razor -- the auto companies have tested this HHO crap and found that the science was right -- it doesn't work!
@xjet This is an excellent product geared for diesel long haul trucks. It cuts down on emissions, boosts power, and fuel savings. Please visit the website and read the Wardrop Engineering report.
@RedRiver2011 I listened to Joe Williams Sr talking about the product and he was so full of BS it wasn't funny. He claimed that diesel combustion efficiency was 32% -- therefore 68% of the fuel is unburnt. That is utter BS! The fact that they're using such blatant hype is a sure indicator that this is just another Hydrogen boost product based on snake-oil. Also read the PAVE test -- nowhere near the claimed 10% fuel savings and in fact, figures that were likely just a margin of error.
@xjet Sorry, what is PAVE? Wardrop documented the fuel savings and Schroeder Freight saved $14k in fuel during the first year which more than paid for the unit. Popular Science magazine seemed to like it too. This isn't a mail order scam...snake oil doesn't perform this good.
@xjet The PAVE explains testing conditions which were well within 2% variance. It is pretty cool that Wardrop validated the proof of concept and that trucking firms are equiping their fleets with IHS systems. When I buy my next truck, I will definitely capitalize this device with the cost of the vehicle.
@RedRiver2011 So why is it, do you think, that none of the big truck manufacturers are fitting these things as standard -- if they actually work? Just how much power do you think the oil companies really have? And if they have the power to control what the auto-makers do and don't do -- how come they're letting them build electric vehicles that use *NO* gasoline or diesel at all? That just doesn't make sense, does it?
@xjet I think truck manufacturers do not sell these things because they are so new and they can't turn on a dime. When I was a kid, I saw a car design in a magazine that went into production 25 years later. Automakers are slow to react and are not willing to bet which way the marketplace will go yet. No conspiracy. Just bad business analysts.
@RedRiver2011 I disagree. Trucks were using turbochargers *decades* before cars were and given the highly competitive nature of the road-transport market, any truck manufacturer who can offer even a small fuel-saving over their competitor would see their sales rocket. The real reason they don't use this technology is that they've tested it and discovered that the science is right and the hucksters are wrong.
@xjet I guess you nailed the timeline...Diesel trucks are proving some efficacy so may be established there first. I will give you one point...water is essential for life. If water is used both to support life and be a source of energy then the price may be vulnerable to the marketplace. That would be a bad situation.
@RedRiver2011 Water is *not* a source of energy. Water is the ash that results from the combustion of hydrogen. When you use electrolysis to create hydrogen, you are simply turning one form of energy (electricity) into another form of energy (unburnt H2). Unfortunately, due to the laws of energy conservation, it will always take *more* energy to split the H2O than is recovered by burning the hydrogen. We've known how to split water for over 100 years - it's nothing new.
@xjet into a chamber, inject misting of water, ionized gas, and non-combustible gases past electrodes = fractured water expands, detonate the hydrogen, more expansion, superheats water particulates, more expansion, combined effect moves piston; very little water required and less energy for fracturing and detonation than you imply. The force is so strong that it might blow up the engine if not metered correctly. Have fun, play safe.
@xjet I think it does work but the problem is, can people make money with it? Watchit Technologies own a device that does something similar with gasoline that might be a game changer for automakers. Will people bet on it if their competition is a backyard mechanics with jam jars?
@xjet Thanks so much for your feedback and cautions on this billion dollar question. I'm just trying to get a sense of what direction energy is taking and when. It is fine to have an idea but even the right ones can still fail while navigating the huge hurdles in bringing them to market. Best of luck in the future.
@RedRiver2011 This dose not work. If you want better mpg get a performance ignition system, cold air intake headers, duals cut off your cat and get a custom tune guarantee you will get bout an extra 5 to 10 mpg depending on what kind of car you have originally.
I'm sure that some of the marketing may be shady but the design is legitimate. & car manufacturers abide by the esoteric law of the NWO that dictates fuel economy to be where it is to instead scam you out of more petrol as they have little incentive to release a fuel efficient vehicle, due to the control that they would relinquish upon doing so.
@xjet let me see... in my CAR. oh yes... and it works, im getting 5 miles more to the gallon... with just one cell running at 7 amps. how do you explain that?????? its not Rocket science my friend
@Video85Man Come on -- are you saying that governments are suppressing this technology? Get real, when has a government ever been successful at suppressing *anything*? And if it's a conspiracy on the part of government and the oil companies --- how come electric vehicles are now being made? Remember, they don't use *any* gasoline or regular oil-changes. How come they're allowing *that* technology but suppressing HHO. Sorry, what you call facts are actually fantasy.
@xjet I have see the electric cars , and they only get 400 miles to a CHARGE. much like 400 miles to a tank of Gas will get ya with a car that gets 25-30 MPG..... NO CHANGE..
our Gov wants us to RELY on THEM. y do you think the kill people like Stanly Myres?????? why do you think they keep WEEP illegal???????? you seriously need to do some more Research my friend.
@Video85Man Do your research! The vast majority of personal transport in the world consists of round-trips that are *far* less than 400 miles and, since you can recharge your vehicle at home, that kind of range is more than enough for the vast majority of people. Also, if you think the government killed Stan Meyer then then I've got a bridge for sale here that I could let you have for a really good price. Remember Occam's Razor!
@Video85Man Hey, if this HHO tech worked, why isn't China using it on their domestic vehicle fleet? They must be wasting *huge* amounts of money importing fuel when (according to the HHO fanatics) they could dramatically improve their vehicles' fuel economy. And let's face it, China isn't going to be in league with the evil western oil companies are they? Sorry -- another pro-HHO argument shot down in flames.
Why one would want to spend $100 to get a plan of dunking two electrodes in impure water (impurity added by sodiumhydrogencarbonate) is beyond understanding of alien logic.
@WorldsRepublic Ha ha... I work for nobody but myself and good science. What's more, I don't even have any oil company stocks. I have to buy my gas at the pump just like everyone else and I pay the same price as everyone else (more than the average American too -- our gas is currently around NZ$2 liter (US$6 per gal)). Why would I have any incentive to make stuff up? I am not the one trying to dupe the hapless.
People who believe that HHO generators can improve fuel economy also believe that anti ageing cream stops you getting older. I keep telling these people that even if you rub the stuff all over from head to toe twice a day, in precisely 12 months time you will be 1 year older than when you first started..but alas they refuse to believe the truth of what I am saying...
@xjet I only used cunt to satisfy you really lol My vocab is not limited I just use short text cause I'm lazy but for real though it works! have you physically tried this out???? Try it before you make a final decision.
@1994hondacivicsi Hey, do I have to jump off a tall building to prove that doing so will kill me? Or am I smart enough to know the physics that predicts the outcome of such a stupid stunt? However, since you ask, I will be performing a scientific test of this "HHO" hype and if it turns out that the science is wrong, I'll be the first one to tell the world about it.
@xjet I only used cunt to satisfy you really lol My vocab is not limited I just use short text cause I'm lazy but for real though it works! have you physically tried this out???? Try it before you make a final decision. and I apologize for being an asshole. I must have been mad that day. Im sorry
People who believe this stuff get blinded by the details: air mixture, explosiveness of hydrogen, conspiracy theories... etc. And/or they think that the HHO generator is some kind of energy-recovery device. It is NOT. From an energy standpoint, it is a load on the engine. The engine uses energy from the gas tank to power the HHO generator. Some of that energy returns in the form of combustible HHO, some dissipates via heat generation in the device. Hence, WORSE gas millage not better.
@seacoastauto how the hell did you come up with that conclusion brainiac? worse gas milege not better the moment any one turns on a comustible engine it loses energy through heat and friction on the road kinetic energy. now then the car standing still would surly only be losing heat as energy and not kinetic energy thru the tires only the engine which then in return will power the alternator charging the battery then powering the hho system
@greyandme2 It's called Thermodynamics. I'm not really sure what you are trying to say with the whole "kinetic energy thru the tires" thing, but you should keep re-reading my post till you actually understand what i'm saying. Then come back when you have a real question.
@seacoastauto heres another question then cars have ciggerate lighters yes well the way your describing how it wont work doesnt make sense as the ciggerate lighters produce 5amps if im correct? so while driving your car and chargeing up your mobile phone youlose the energy yes. now being as a dry cell hho needs 5amps to power it the hydrogen then goes inside the engine and then powers the alternator to power the battery which through in turn completes the otto cycle
@greyandme2 here's an example of what the HHO scheme is, in a different form. What if you had a small wind turbine on top of your car and powered the HHO generator with the electricity it produced when going down the road? Oh but wait! you are adding drag to the car, which DECREASES your gas millage--- furthermore there are inefficiencies in the turbine and HHO cell so you don't put back, in the engine, as much energy that you lost through the decreased gas millage.
@seacoastauto yeah iget where your going with this but there is no turbine on the roof ofthe car please keep the subject at hand and dont try to divert people with stuff like that and dont forget with diesels you canstart the engine then disconnect the battery and it will keep running as it combusts on heat not spark sorry mate your just not taking all factors into consideration here
@greyandme2 do you get where I'm going with this? the HHO cell is just another load on the electrical system, which is powered by the engine, which draws power from the gasoline. You are creating more electromotive resistance in the alternator, which means a bigger load on the engine, which means a decrease in millage. When you factor in inefficiencies of the HHO cell, (which produces a lot of heat---very inefficient) you have a net energy loss.
@seacoastauto [regarding very inefficent] like i said you gotta take all factors into consideration like if the car is diesel i did say it in aprevious comment but here goes you can start a diesel and disconnect the battery and it will keep on running as that runs on heat not spark and i dont know if you know this or not diesels are more effiecent then petrol just a bit more expensive surprise surprise but i do get where your coming from and it does make a bit of sense
@seacoastauto type in your youtube browser woodgassification and see what comes up now if that aint a renewable source its as close as we may ever come to it also would like your views on set subject and biofuel/biogas/biodiesel as i do enjoy the little banter
@seacoastauto yeah i tried to post a link earlier wouldnt let me and another thing that pisses me off with youtube is how many characters you can put in the comments box they should really just change it to 800 characters at least p.s have you seen the hho dry cell torch pretty cool
@seacoastauto yeah agree with you that guy is a scam artist being as he travels from place to place selling it to the little man when really the little man could have just stood up and said to himself hangon i could make it myself and save myself $2000 people like that piss me off wouldnt mind all hes doing is installing it really he didnt even come up with the hho generator design some people in a lab did or something like that did you get my other comment on the wood gassifer/biogas/biodiesel
@seacoastautoon the road kinetic energy. now then the car standing still would surly only be losing heat as energy and not kinetic energy thru the tires only the engine yeah agree with you about thermodynamics but what i was trying to say was about boyles law read the whole page smart arse
@seacoastauto see have got no comment back on the videos isaid to type in regarding the woodgassifier oh and how it was succesfully used in the secondworld war untill surprissurprise it was no longer in productive use after the war im not comparing it to the hho just abit odd or convienient if you like
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RutinaRottis 1 week ago
someone must have got a bad kit lol
MayhemOfHell 1 week ago
firefox 5 is out lol
ashesoneeight 3 weeks ago
@ashesoneeight Look at the date when the video was made! :-)
xjet 3 weeks ago
@xjet oh ok lol
ashesoneeight 3 weeks ago
@xjet I can't even like you comment! This IS an old video!
7daniel49 3 weeks ago
Y U STILL USE INTERNET EXPLORER?????????
ferkyou420 3 weeks ago
@ferkyou420 No, it's Firefox
xjet 3 weeks ago
This is a bullshit video.....the fuel cells work....they CREATE Hydrogen...which is a by product of water going through the electrolysis process.....look it up in a physics book.
cowgirl69ism 3 weeks ago
@cowgirl69ism No, they don't CREATE hydrogen. They SEPARATE hydrogen from oxygen and that requires energy. MORE energy than you get by recombining the hydrogen with oxygen by way of combustion. Hence, the overall efficiency is LOWER. Simple science -- look up "conservation of energy" and learn something about thermodynamics before you try to tell others what's right and what's wrong.
xjet 3 weeks ago 7
@xjet Good job Bruce! This is the same kind of CRAP that I saw in the 80's when wrapping your fuel supply line with cow magnets was supposed to re-align the "ions" in the gas to promote better burning of the fuel by keeping them from touching the intake manifold walls.I did my own experiments with this stuff and found it to be useless.The only thing that i found to work was installing screens in the venturies of my carburater,but all that did was help with throttle response.
da959 3 weeks ago
@xjet no you ignorant dolt, to draw that conclusion is ignoring the very laws of thermodynamics you are trying to cite. Clearly you are uninformed because you miss the clear logical implication the laws of thermodynamics implicate, that is no system can work at 100% efficiency. Now lets take an internal combustion engine that runs at 30% efficiency. Loads of gas is wasted in every stroke of an engine. Hydrogen promotes the better combustion of the gas. amtGas * 30% eff = less gas * >30%
keepItGoingg 2 weeks ago
@keepItGoingg so clearly the issue is not that there is no free power, but that we can gain net overall gains by running our alternator and thus hho genny. an engine making 35 hp burns 40 mpg and is 30% efficient. It costs a few ounces an hour to produce 20 amps to run the hho generator. The hho boost begins in trace amounts. Take an engine that gets 30% effiency and bump it to 40%. so what you are using 5% more engine power, you are getting 33% more free. See how this works yet??
keepItGoingg 2 weeks ago
Well, I guess I'll just be sitting next to my HHO dry cell, lawnmower engine, alternators, and view some articles made by dumbfucks like you on my laptop, with the help of an inverter.
AlanComek 1 month ago
Wow I have little morals so I would love to sell this stuff LOL
Think of all the people I could sell this to and sleep well in my new house
imrubicon 3 months ago 2
A very accurate video. Sure it's possible to run a car on hydrogen but the idea that hydrogen produced by an onboard electrolysis cell can save you fuel or run an engine is a pure hoax! The people who say they are saving fuel by fitting electrolysis cells can't seem to provide any sort of real proof that their claims are true surprisingly enough...
Abreen11 3 months ago
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Brosko81918 4 months ago
yes it works ya egg iv watched it working ! disinfo agent
smiles1969able 4 months ago
@smiles1969able you are either an imbecile or a liar. either way, not someone to listen to.
RCllamadude 3 weeks ago
@RCllamadude sweetas you total dork keep using petrol
smiles1969able 3 weeks ago
@smiles1969able i prefer my homemade pedal powered tuk-tuk for anything under 3 or 4 miles. and by the way, thank you for saying petrol. i hate hearing silly americans say "gas"
RCllamadude 3 weeks ago
ok if the hho hoax why my car consumes less diesel fuel than when I built the HHO generator?
n33naja 4 months ago
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fitzy5533 4 months ago
The problem is you're attacking the idea that your car can "run on water." Of course you're not "running on water" or hydrogen even. You're injecting it into your fuel to help combust your fuel more efficiently, since hydrogen is more explosive. You lose fuel economy making the hydrogen, but gain even more in combustion your own fuel better. So, for the idiots thinking you can run on just HHO, it doesn't work. simple thermodynamics. But as for injecting into your gasoline or diesel, yes it does.
Dudanation12 5 months ago
@Dudanation12 Unfortunately you are wrong. The levels of H2/O2 required to produce an improvement on combustion efficiency that would offset the energy cost of producing that gas via onboard electrolysis is too high for any standard vehicle's electrical system. The amount of electrical energy required is several kilowatts -- far more than *any* car alternator can deliver and even then, the extra load requires *more* fuel to be burned.
xjet 5 months ago
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I don't see why there is a defining amount of hydrogen which would be required to achieve more efficiency. If I put in a little, I get back a little. Put in a lot, possibly a lot more. A real load of it, probably going out the tailpipe. I'll be finding out, I have one installed and I keep very good records and observations. We'll see.
Dudanation12 5 months ago
@Dudanation12 Refer to the SAE and NASA studies on hydrogen enrichment. You'll find the data there. Basically, they show that relatively high levels of H2 are required to show any significant improvement in combustion efficiencies. The problem with these onboard H2/O2 generators is that they simply can't create enough gas to have a measurable effect and even when they do, the energy cost (in terms of electrical power) far exceeds the energy recovered through that combustion improvement.
xjet 5 months ago
@xjet Unfortunately you are wrong. You tube: Ultimate hho. We are proving that HHO works one vehicle at a time.
sonicchill1 4 months ago
what's the problem with this video? people make their OWN fuel cells, cars DO run on hydrogen, and electrolysis IS actually possible.
frosty1433 5 months ago
this vid is linked to a troll channel..
It will no longer let me respond.
a2zhandi 5 months ago
@a2zhandi So how did you post that comment then?
xjet 5 months ago
sorry dude, or dudette as the case may be. I"m gonna have to thumb this vid down.
Nothing personal. Just misleading indeed
a2zhandi 5 months ago
@a2zhandi Hey, all someone has to do is front up with the independently verified scientifically conducted trials that prove this stuff works -- but nobody has. Why do you think that is? Nothing personal but I'm going to have to thumb your comment down because you offer no proof that this stuff works at all.
xjet 5 months ago
I appreciate this video for exposing the HHO scammers, but please dont try to force your disbelief on others. HHO or browns gas DOES work... If you know what doing. The information is out there people and you dont have to pay for it. Just READ!
antienlu 6 months ago
@antienlu It's not my disbelief, it's simply science. There are no credible independent scientific studies that show onboard hydrogen production systems produce any improvement in fuel efficiency. If they did, every vehicle manufacturer in the world would be fitting them as standard equipment.
xjet 6 months ago
@xjet Well I just found your video "after" buying one from a website not mentioned in this video . I didn't notice a huge difference, but in my SUV I did average about 3 mpg higher on the highway, and 4-5 mpg higher in city. I'm not a spammer or advertiser, but just wanted to let you know that it does seem to work. I am only running mine on 10 amps though, so tomorrow I'm going to experiment with different amounts of electricity to see if I get different results.
gerowen 6 months ago
@xjet science = gov. funded agencies. If they step of the line for a minute, they loose their funding.
Oil will NOT allow any mass manufacturing of any such device to improve mileage. It's all about capital & control.
I'm currently working on a design. And I'm already experiencing better mileage. So you can take your lies and or disbeliefs and stuff em in the trash!
Thanks
a2zhandi 5 months ago
@a2zhandi my goal is for everybody to have one in their car! Oil can eat their blk gold. They've made way too much money, and obtained way too much power for WAY too long.
a2zhandi 5 months ago
@a2zhandi So why does "Oil" allow Toyota to make the Prius, Nissan to make the Leaf and Mitsubishi to make the MeV? Surely, if "oil" didn't want people getting better gas mileage, they'd be stopping Chevy from making the Volt and none of the car makers would be building hybrids or EVs. Doesn't add up does it? Occam's Razor my friend.
xjet 5 months ago
@xjet what they're selling is controlled. What others are seeking to do is make hho on demand. No filling station. NO COST!
a2zhandi 5 months ago
@a2zhandi Electricity is controlled? Hang on, you can make electricity from the wind or from the sun. How is that controlled? HHO-equipped vehicles still require gasoline -- pure EVs don't. So tell me again why big-oil isn't stopping auto-makers from building EVs yet they are (allegedly) stopping them from using HHO?
xjet 5 months ago
@xjet no no NO, not electricity. Even though that is controlled as well. But the filling stations where people who own hydrogen cars fill up is CONTROLLED! And will soon reach .... yes you guessed it. RECORD PROFITS!!!
a2zhandi 5 months ago
@a2zhandi catch you later. I got some design work to do ;-)
a2zhandi 5 months ago
@a2zhandi I'm not talking about hydrogen -- I'm talking about EVs that run on electricity, electricity you can generate at home with solar cells or wind-generators. That costs *NOTHING* -- so why is big oil allowing all the major auto-makers to build EVs, which mean you buy *no* gasoline and *no* hydrogen - but they won't allow the same auto-makers to fit HHO that merely reduces the use of gasoline. Doesn't make any sense because it's not true.
xjet 5 months ago
@xjet DUDE, your rambling in circle. Cut it out.
a2zhandi 5 months ago
Hey how about showing some facts, and why are car makers investing in hydrogen cars. Yes maybe these guys don't have it down all the way but at least they are trying.
tejanodeaustin 6 months ago
@tejanodeaustin Hydrogen fuel is totally different to this HHO scam. How about sticking to the facts.
xjet 6 months ago
@tejanodeaustin yes. And furthermore, science if ever evolving! Theories become accepted.
NEVER stop trying. There's bound to be a breakthrough sooner or later.
(whisper) I think I'm on to something....
a2zhandi 5 months ago
If you want better mpg here is a list of things you can do 1 cold air intake system 2throttle body spacer 3reprogram the computer 4high performance ignition system 5headers and open up the exhaust
burnbabey12 7 months ago
well id di say something in regards to the moon question but it dosnt seem to be on here now weird it was about plane that shouldnt be able to fly like the eurofighter and an isect that defies gravity and physics combined is of corse the bee
greyandme2 7 months ago
im going to sounnd like a ten year old boy now but that warthog is wicked cool shame about it catching fire do you know what caused it to cacth fire
greyandme2 7 months ago
now then if you type in geet vapour carburettor i think thats a con personally but as ive not had much time to do much studie on the subject im a bit unsure if you guys know what i mean tell me what you think of geet. and if you have checked out that wood gassifier comment i left would appreciate an input
greyandme2 7 months ago
time for bed said zebedy again
greyandme2 7 months ago
so just a thought to everyone long after were all dead and gone in this world you really wouldnt mind your kids/grandkids to not stickto something who was it now that said we choose not to go to the moon because its easy but because its hard kennedy wasnt it ?
greyandme2 7 months ago
@greyandme2 But once again - sending man to the moon didn't violate any of the laws of physics - in fact it was our intimate understanding of physics and chemistry that allowed us to reach the moon. But now people are saying those laws are wrong and a bunch of ill-informed amateurs are putting the worlds greatest minds to shame. Strangely enough though, not one of those clever amateurs has stepped forwards to claim their Nobel prize.
xjet 7 months ago
@xjet yeah spot on but dont forget macarthur grant $500.000 prize is it and nobel prize 1 million dollars would be cool for any one to win really but you dont think if someone were to walk in to a credited university with no qualifications in any field he or she would be taken seriously no is the answer your looking for so how do you begin to be taken seriously in other words university and many other establisments like to use the cassandras complex on the lower class orpeoplewithnoqualification
greyandme2 7 months ago
@xjet WOW YOU GOT ALL THAT from who was it now that said we choose not to go to the moon because its easy but because its hard kennedy wasnt it ?
greyandme2 7 months ago
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@xjet well im pretty sure at one time in history it would have done until someone proved them wrong regarding But once again - sending man to the moon didn't violate any of the laws of physics - in fact it was our intimate understanding of physics and chemistry [and heres a little joke laws are meant to be broken/bent from [time to time] geek alert
greyandme2 7 months ago
@xjet type in your youtube browser woodgassification and see what comes up now if that aint a renewable sorce its as close as we may ever come to it also would like your views on set subject and biofuel/biogas/biodiesel as i do enjoy the little banter
greyandme2 7 months ago
@xjet well there are some airoplanes in your video description that say things that shouldnt fly but do like the bee its wings are too small too get its fatt little body of the ground and no thats not directed at you b4 you say anything back now the bee defies the laws of physics but it still flys
greyandme2 7 months ago
@xjet also i plan on using a solar panel to power the hho system with a li ion battery as a power source the solar panel charges the battery then powers the hho should be no significant power loss there in regards to the engine
greyandme2 7 months ago
ill just be glad to have myself alittle project to mess around with the devil makes work for idle thumbs lol and you never know i might prove myself wrong and if ido then ido simples really can do attitude never hurt anyone i know in life
greyandme2 7 months ago
@greyandme2 I would strongly encourage people in your position to have a play and see what they find. Just don't be too disappointed when centuries of scientific study and knowledge win out over a few years of well-intentioned but ill-informed fanaticism :-)
xjet 7 months ago
@xjet im not a fanaticist but you know what thanks for that comment well intentioned. is really what i was striving for ill informed maybe but there you go im on the sick at the moment so idont have much to do anyways so its not like it wouldnt bother me if it turned out to be a farce so to speak it would just give my hands something better to do with my time other then jerking off to porn on the internet
greyandme2 7 months ago
@xjet dont worry wont be dissapointed either way if it fails or if it works you make model airoplanes yes well there are some airoplanes in your video description that say things that shouldnt fly but do like the bee its wings are too small too get its fatt little body of the ground and no thats not directed at you b4 you say anything back
greyandme2 7 months ago
just a few examples isac newton once referd to an even older saying then him standing on the shoulders of giants and boyles law (sometimes referred to as the Boyle-Mariotte law) and of corse even my favourite thomas edison who didnt give up on making the light bulb after his first 150 odd times he failed it only took one attempt to make it work
greyandme2 7 months ago
@greyandme2 The difference is that the light bulb never flew in the face of long accepted and tested science. It was simply an engineering challenge. The science says that HHO simply won't work in the way it is being pitched (ie: onboard generation using electrical power from a vehicles alternator). That is a *huge* difference. As far as I know, Newton never once attempted to or managed to circumvent the laws of physics -- in fact he helped define many of them!
xjet 7 months ago
@xjet spot on with what your saying all iwas trying to say was the saying that isaac newton once referred to standing onthe shoulders of giants google it and do a bit more research into the saying then youll know what i mean and with regards about thomas edison at least he didnt give up the first time other wise we wouldnt be where we ar now with technology thats all iwas trying to say to seacoastauto
greyandme2 7 months ago
@xjet with regards your last statement haa a car can power a house for gods sake granted it would use a lot of fuel to do so but all it would be pwoering is a 5amp hho generator and people could just have a switch to turn on the hho when you want it to work occums razor the most simplest solution is always the first one you think of. no newton didnt circumvent the laws of physics correct in what your saying. right newton had to dealwithcritisism just likewhatyourdoing beingacritisisbloodygoogle
greyandme2 7 months ago
@greyandme2 i f##cking hate youtube sometimes cant put down all the words you want to say irriatating 500 characters and thats all f##cking stupid wish some one would just chage the minimum to a least 800 words or something
greyandme2 7 months ago
@greyandme2 There's a difference between subjective criticism and violating the well-established l laws of physics. The reality is that although H2 can improve combustion efficiencies, it only does so in ratios that are far higher than any onboard HHO system can produce. Simple fact and one that I'll demonstrate under very simple and scientifically controlled conditions.
xjet 7 months ago
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greyandme2 7 months ago
@xjet haha, there you go with your controlled experiments. It's all about control. Get it?
There is a professor on YT someplace I've seen where he tells of making hydrogen in large quantities. And NOT violating any physics laws! Science is out of control. By remaining in the box. Or keeping everybody else in the box. Science wants to keep it that way. They don't want ANY back yard garage dog inventing something they CAN'T!
a2zhandi 5 months ago
@xjet with regards my last statement i meant to sy athe end edison had to deal with criticism but was too concerned with reaching my limit on characters to notice i put newton twice
greyandme2 7 months ago
time for bed said zebedy im fooked
greyandme2 7 months ago
yeah seriously nearly did you have several bits missing just hilariously funny
greyandme2 7 months ago
to XJET if all it takes to build one of these devices is jam jars tubing water and a coulpe of wires then why dont you make one your self being as you already know how to make one as most people do by now just by visting youtube and with regards to the end of the video the hydrogen car is made by car manufacturers not petrol companys and why they made it is quite simple this is a capitalist world we live in now go back to building your model airoplanes and take your medication
greyandme2 7 months ago
@greyandme2 Don't worry, as soon as time (and money) allows I'll be making a video showing my own tests conducted under controlled conditions. If I (and the science) is wrong then I'll gladly show everyone and be shocked as hell. If I'm right, I'm sure dozens of HHO fanbois will come up with what they consider valid reasons for criticizing my test methodology or claiming that I rigged the results.
xjet 7 months ago
@xjet well at least then we will know your not sponsord by the oil companys for giving it a try. under controlled conditions would be a good idea and i wasnt calling you a retard that last bit was retorical in other words some people but being as now i have a feeling what kind of person you are no you are not a complete retard but if you know your history thomas edison failed 151something times at making a light bulb and found 1 way to make it work just a thought
greyandme2 7 months ago
@xjet im glad to see you see the conflicting issues that this video did bring up like isaid to seacoastauto id rather give something else a try then use those pointless additives
greyandme2 7 months ago
@xjet p.s dont bother making it in a jamjar although it will work it aparently dosnt produce near enough as a dry cell would so if you were to make one the dry cell would be the way forward if you like i can either send you a free copy of the dry cell plans or tell you which the place to get it off the internet apparently you can use titanium but i dont see how thats cost effective considering the plates can cost anything upwards from $500 if i make one ill just use stainless steel
greyandme2 7 months ago
you know what it really annoys me sometimes if people like this guy in the video knows how to make a hho generator like he said some jam jars and and wires why the hell doesnt he make one being as hes obviously a professor in engineering and physicsand with regards to it being a scam for some websites who knows but ilike i said and he said all you need is some jam jars and wires to find out lmao some people are just complete retards
greyandme2 7 months ago
@greyandme2 If you are calling me "a complete retard" then I can assure you that you are wrong. Due to surgery and the effects of old age, I have several bits missing -- thus rendering me a "incomplete retard". But thanks for your concern.
xjet 7 months ago
@xjet i hope you know i nearly choked to death on my sandwich reading that comment hilarious
greyandme2 7 months ago
My friend you just dont know what did you say . I make a project my self and i have economy about 45% on petrol. Think again...Bye...
MrGeorleo 7 months ago
@shuggy555 uh, hoper you know its the same thing.. HHO, browns gas, hydroxy (used is cutting torches to this day), (water fuel / run your car on water are typical scammers) Honest business's call it what it is, Its plain old electrolysis devices.
For those who never believe other ppl (mainly because humans are flawed and make mistakes, I truly believe scientists claim a lot more then the actually know, so its an argument like "the world is flat because science says so"
Me102288 7 months ago
@Me102288 Does a so-called "hho" cell produce liquid hydrogen, like NASA and BMW use...? NO! Does this "hho" cell produce hydrogen by the liter...? YES! So hydrogen gas having 0.01079MJ PER LITER clearly shows how weak it is in this application. If I'm such a liar, feel free to prove me wrong.
mad4dskilz 8 months ago
@mad4dskilz nope, but liquid hydrogen is compressed, much like co2 when its compressed to 850 psi it turns to a liquid
P.s. electrolysis puts out hydrogen and oxygen.. oxygen is an accelerent to combustion..01 megajoule? LOL
internal combuystion engine run on explosive fuels.. not joules..
Hydrogen is more explosive then any other fuel on the planet... The fact is, if we can run it on a tank full of compssed hydrogen, how to you figure its absolutely imposible to do it on demand?
Me102288 7 months ago
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@Me102288 liquid hydrogen is compressed, much like co2 when its compressed to 850 psi it turns to a liquid [much like any one else really lol] if i was compressed that much i think id turn to liquid spot on with what you said there
greyandme2 7 months ago
BMW HYDROGEN 7 runs on hydrogen without gasoline.. who ever this guy is he doesn't know anything about hydroxy, hho, oxyhydrogen.. BROWNS GAS (An actuall PATENT in the USA.). simple fact ppl, hydrogen burns 9x faster then gaoline Its 130 octane, which makes it more COMBUSTABLE which is what Internal COMBUSTION engines run on. FACT: HYDROGEN IS THE MOST EFFECIENT in COMBUSTION out of ALL othe fuels on earth. Why the hell you think NASA use'sd it instead of gasoline, Duh
Me102288 8 months ago
@Me102288 It's all about energy density...
*Hydrogen as a GAS, NOT LIQUID LIKE ON THE SPACE SHUTTLE contains 0.01079 Megajoules per liter(volume)
*Gasoline contains 34.2 megajoules per liter(volume)
*Diesel fuel contains 37.3 megajoules per liter(voume)!!!
Diesel contains the most energy which is why diesel vehicles usually get better gas mileage and gasoline is a close second while hydrogen doesn't even come close, in fact gasoline has over 3000 times the energy of hydrogen by volume.
mad4dskilz 8 months ago
@mad4dskilz wow quit lieing,, MEASURE to what a combustion engine would use .. Octane or btu's.. you''ll find hydrogen beats every othe fuel on the planet....
BMW have a INTERNAL COMBUSTION ENGINE. BMW Hydrogen 7..
NASA use's it instead of any other fuels... GO ASK THEM WHY
Me102288 8 months ago
@mad4dskilz that woulsd be really nice if all the gasoline burning.. but unfortunately it doesnt, not all of it burns in the first place..why ya smell that nasty crap coming outta the exaust.. LoL look up the effeciencys of fuel on wikipedia ya might be surprised how bad gasoline is.
Me102288 7 months ago
@Me102288 Someone else who knows nothing but what the scammers have told him (sigh!). Go do some research on what an octane rating actually means. A high-octane fuel contains no more energy (often less energy) than a low octane one. Did you know (for instance) that jet fuel has a *lower* octane than gasoline??? Come back when you know what you're talking about and not just chanting the HHO chorus from a position of ignorance.
xjet 8 months ago
@xjet lol I didnt get hardly any info off the scammers version of HHO on demand, I researchg NASA, BMW, you know, the ppl you can say knows what there doing...
THEN I TESTED IT MYSELF.. idiot.. ya ppl scam all kinds of crap, doesnt mean 100% doesnt work.
Ps, look it up on the msds, hydrogen = 130 OCTANE higher btu, and no polution..
jet fuel is used in jet engines, you see any INTERNAL COMBUSTION ENGINES running alcohol based fuels on the road lately? maybe in drag races.
Me102288 8 months ago
The HHO boosters do not work! you can´t run your car never fully these HHO cells. To do that is more complicated than just putting two electrodes into the water. Stanley Meyer was able to run the car using only water. But many people took advantage of their success. The electric car is very expensive and you need to load for several hours just to go 150 km. The HHO car runs indefinitely while you have a glass of water on hand.
SpeedMetal4635 8 months ago
@SpeedMetal4635 And where do you get your HHO from? From water and electricity right? But it takes longer to create the HHO than it does to recharge an electric vehicle and in fact, all you're doing is wasting huge amounts of energy in the process. An electric motor can be up to 90% efficient, an internal combustion engine (running on HHO or any fuel) is rarely more than 25-28% efficient. Why waste over 70% of your energy turning electricity into an inefficient fuel?
xjet 8 months ago
@SpeedMetal4635 then ya dont know sh_t about why it has to work.. adding an accelerant to ANY fuel with up the effeciency of ANY internal combustion engine. reseaerch why ALL of the gasoline doesnt burn, adding a higher octane fuel like Hydrogen just makes all of the gasoline ignite LOL very simple. It happens when you add Nitrous Oxide to a fuel too.. and thats proven, 90% of drag racers use NOS, or pure Oxygen.
It aint rocket science, your using a better fuel to help gasoline burn
Me102288 7 months ago
@Me102288 Right, because nitrous oxide is used without any additional fuel, and octane equals power... Retard
mad4dskilz 7 months ago
this video fucking me sick so conformist. The cars can really run with water, but your ignorance does not allow you to understand. You should investigate instead of just talking.
Clearly, there are scammers, as well as on TV is selling miracle products. You must open your eyes and seek the truth and not listen to those who do business with it.
SpeedMetal4635 8 months ago
@SpeedMetal4635 So you're saying that centuries of scientific research and understanding have been rendered useless by some uneducated idiots who have just discovered electrolysis?
xjet 8 months ago
No, I saying that the Hydrogen car is very dangerous for the oil industries. If we had an Hydrogen car never again we pay for gasoline. Is for that reason that never we will see this in the TV.
check it out to stanley meyer hidrogen car and his documents.
when someone patents his invention the government buy it. when someone invents something important then the government buy it or will kill you. So is the business.
SpeedMetal4635 8 months ago
@SpeedMetal4635 So how come all the major auto-makers are testing fully electric vehicles with plans to release versions for the public to buy in just a few years. Why would they try to suppress something like these lame HHO boosters that simply *reduce* the use of gasoline when they're doing nothing about stopping fully electric vehicles that use no gas at all. Occam's Razor -- the auto companies have tested this HHO crap and found that the science was right -- it doesn't work!
xjet 8 months ago
Look at Innovative Hydrogen Solutions. This is the real deal.
RedRiver2011 8 months ago
@RedRiver2011 Yeah... right! Just peddling the same old snake oil I'm afraid.
xjet 8 months ago
@xjet This is an excellent product geared for diesel long haul trucks. It cuts down on emissions, boosts power, and fuel savings. Please visit the website and read the Wardrop Engineering report.
RedRiver2011 8 months ago
@RedRiver2011 I listened to Joe Williams Sr talking about the product and he was so full of BS it wasn't funny. He claimed that diesel combustion efficiency was 32% -- therefore 68% of the fuel is unburnt. That is utter BS! The fact that they're using such blatant hype is a sure indicator that this is just another Hydrogen boost product based on snake-oil. Also read the PAVE test -- nowhere near the claimed 10% fuel savings and in fact, figures that were likely just a margin of error.
xjet 8 months ago
@xjet Sorry, what is PAVE? Wardrop documented the fuel savings and Schroeder Freight saved $14k in fuel during the first year which more than paid for the unit. Popular Science magazine seemed to like it too. This isn't a mail order scam...snake oil doesn't perform this good.
RedRiver2011 8 months ago
@RedRiver2011 The PAVE report is on the company's website - where you told *me* to go look. Check it out for yourself.
xjet 8 months ago
@xjet The PAVE explains testing conditions which were well within 2% variance. It is pretty cool that Wardrop validated the proof of concept and that trucking firms are equiping their fleets with IHS systems. When I buy my next truck, I will definitely capitalize this device with the cost of the vehicle.
RedRiver2011 8 months ago
@RedRiver2011 So why is it, do you think, that none of the big truck manufacturers are fitting these things as standard -- if they actually work? Just how much power do you think the oil companies really have? And if they have the power to control what the auto-makers do and don't do -- how come they're letting them build electric vehicles that use *NO* gasoline or diesel at all? That just doesn't make sense, does it?
xjet 8 months ago
@xjet I think truck manufacturers do not sell these things because they are so new and they can't turn on a dime. When I was a kid, I saw a car design in a magazine that went into production 25 years later. Automakers are slow to react and are not willing to bet which way the marketplace will go yet. No conspiracy. Just bad business analysts.
RedRiver2011 8 months ago
@RedRiver2011 I disagree. Trucks were using turbochargers *decades* before cars were and given the highly competitive nature of the road-transport market, any truck manufacturer who can offer even a small fuel-saving over their competitor would see their sales rocket. The real reason they don't use this technology is that they've tested it and discovered that the science is right and the hucksters are wrong.
xjet 8 months ago
@xjet I guess you nailed the timeline...Diesel trucks are proving some efficacy so may be established there first. I will give you one point...water is essential for life. If water is used both to support life and be a source of energy then the price may be vulnerable to the marketplace. That would be a bad situation.
RedRiver2011 8 months ago
@RedRiver2011 Water is *not* a source of energy. Water is the ash that results from the combustion of hydrogen. When you use electrolysis to create hydrogen, you are simply turning one form of energy (electricity) into another form of energy (unburnt H2). Unfortunately, due to the laws of energy conservation, it will always take *more* energy to split the H2O than is recovered by burning the hydrogen. We've known how to split water for over 100 years - it's nothing new.
xjet 8 months ago
@xjet into a chamber, inject misting of water, ionized gas, and non-combustible gases past electrodes = fractured water expands, detonate the hydrogen, more expansion, superheats water particulates, more expansion, combined effect moves piston; very little water required and less energy for fracturing and detonation than you imply. The force is so strong that it might blow up the engine if not metered correctly. Have fun, play safe.
RedRiver2011 8 months ago
@RedRiver2011 You still aren't going to get over-unity energy production.
xjet 8 months ago
@xjet I think it does work but the problem is, can people make money with it? Watchit Technologies own a device that does something similar with gasoline that might be a game changer for automakers. Will people bet on it if their competition is a backyard mechanics with jam jars?
RedRiver2011 8 months ago
@xjet Thanks so much for your feedback and cautions on this billion dollar question. I'm just trying to get a sense of what direction energy is taking and when. It is fine to have an idea but even the right ones can still fail while navigating the huge hurdles in bringing them to market. Best of luck in the future.
RedRiver2011 8 months ago
@xjet Xogen has over-unity energy production.
RedRiver2011 7 months ago
@RedRiver2011 This dose not work. If you want better mpg get a performance ignition system, cold air intake headers, duals cut off your cat and get a custom tune guarantee you will get bout an extra 5 to 10 mpg depending on what kind of car you have originally.
burnbabey12 7 months ago
I'm sure that some of the marketing may be shady but the design is legitimate. & car manufacturers abide by the esoteric law of the NWO that dictates fuel economy to be where it is to instead scam you out of more petrol as they have little incentive to release a fuel efficient vehicle, due to the control that they would relinquish upon doing so.
Begbucks 8 months ago
wow... 70% of this video was a LIE. could this guy be Pro Government?? HHhhhmmm.... makes ya think...
Video85Man 9 months ago
@Video85Man And where's your proof of that?
xjet 9 months ago
@xjet let me see... in my CAR. oh yes... and it works, im getting 5 miles more to the gallon... with just one cell running at 7 amps. how do you explain that?????? its not Rocket science my friend
Video85Man 9 months ago
@Video85Man So how come *NO* independent credible university or laboratory has been able to duplicate this and show *any* fuel savings?
xjet 9 months ago
@xjet thats ones pretty obvious my friend. we have an Evil and Greedy Government, and thats it.
Call me a conspiracy theorist all you want, it doesn't change the fact about HHO
Video85Man 8 months ago
@Video85Man Come on -- are you saying that governments are suppressing this technology? Get real, when has a government ever been successful at suppressing *anything*? And if it's a conspiracy on the part of government and the oil companies --- how come electric vehicles are now being made? Remember, they don't use *any* gasoline or regular oil-changes. How come they're allowing *that* technology but suppressing HHO. Sorry, what you call facts are actually fantasy.
xjet 8 months ago
@xjet I have see the electric cars , and they only get 400 miles to a CHARGE. much like 400 miles to a tank of Gas will get ya with a car that gets 25-30 MPG..... NO CHANGE..
our Gov wants us to RELY on THEM. y do you think the kill people like Stanly Myres?????? why do you think they keep WEEP illegal???????? you seriously need to do some more Research my friend.
Video85Man 8 months ago
@Video85Man Do your research! The vast majority of personal transport in the world consists of round-trips that are *far* less than 400 miles and, since you can recharge your vehicle at home, that kind of range is more than enough for the vast majority of people. Also, if you think the government killed Stan Meyer then then I've got a bridge for sale here that I could let you have for a really good price. Remember Occam's Razor!
xjet 8 months ago
@xjet Wake up.
Video85Man 8 months ago
@Video85Man Hey, if this HHO tech worked, why isn't China using it on their domestic vehicle fleet? They must be wasting *huge* amounts of money importing fuel when (according to the HHO fanatics) they could dramatically improve their vehicles' fuel economy. And let's face it, China isn't going to be in league with the evil western oil companies are they? Sorry -- another pro-HHO argument shot down in flames.
xjet 8 months ago
Why one would want to spend $100 to get a plan of dunking two electrodes in impure water (impurity added by sodiumhydrogencarbonate) is beyond understanding of alien logic.
AgentCROCODILE 9 months ago
SOUNDS LIKE HE WORKS FOR THE OIL COMPANY
WorldsRepublic 9 months ago
@WorldsRepublic Ha ha... I work for nobody but myself and good science. What's more, I don't even have any oil company stocks. I have to buy my gas at the pump just like everyone else and I pay the same price as everyone else (more than the average American too -- our gas is currently around NZ$2 liter (US$6 per gal)). Why would I have any incentive to make stuff up? I am not the one trying to dupe the hapless.
xjet 9 months ago
@WorldsRepublic yes..... ur right
samissile100 9 months ago
People who believe that HHO generators can improve fuel economy also believe that anti ageing cream stops you getting older. I keep telling these people that even if you rub the stuff all over from head to toe twice a day, in precisely 12 months time you will be 1 year older than when you first started..but alas they refuse to believe the truth of what I am saying...
Abreen11 9 months ago
ur a douche my civic runs h20 n gas n I get 30 mph more to a gal of gas dont b a cunt
1994hondacivicsi 9 months ago
@1994hondacivicsi I can tell from your rather limited vocabulary and retarded prose that you are the "perfect" HHO user.
xjet 9 months ago
@xjet I only used cunt to satisfy you really lol My vocab is not limited I just use short text cause I'm lazy but for real though it works! have you physically tried this out???? Try it before you make a final decision.
1994hondacivicsi 9 months ago
@1994hondacivicsi Hey, do I have to jump off a tall building to prove that doing so will kill me? Or am I smart enough to know the physics that predicts the outcome of such a stupid stunt? However, since you ask, I will be performing a scientific test of this "HHO" hype and if it turns out that the science is wrong, I'll be the first one to tell the world about it.
xjet 9 months ago
@xjet sounds good please let me know your outcome.
1994hondacivicsi 9 months ago
@xjet I only used cunt to satisfy you really lol My vocab is not limited I just use short text cause I'm lazy but for real though it works! have you physically tried this out???? Try it before you make a final decision. and I apologize for being an asshole. I must have been mad that day. Im sorry
1994hondacivicsi 9 months ago
People who believe this stuff get blinded by the details: air mixture, explosiveness of hydrogen, conspiracy theories... etc. And/or they think that the HHO generator is some kind of energy-recovery device. It is NOT. From an energy standpoint, it is a load on the engine. The engine uses energy from the gas tank to power the HHO generator. Some of that energy returns in the form of combustible HHO, some dissipates via heat generation in the device. Hence, WORSE gas millage not better.
seacoastauto 10 months ago 2
@seacoastauto how the hell did you come up with that conclusion brainiac? worse gas milege not better the moment any one turns on a comustible engine it loses energy through heat and friction on the road kinetic energy. now then the car standing still would surly only be losing heat as energy and not kinetic energy thru the tires only the engine which then in return will power the alternator charging the battery then powering the hho system
greyandme2 7 months ago
@greyandme2 It's called Thermodynamics. I'm not really sure what you are trying to say with the whole "kinetic energy thru the tires" thing, but you should keep re-reading my post till you actually understand what i'm saying. Then come back when you have a real question.
seacoastauto 7 months ago
@seacoastauto heres another question then cars have ciggerate lighters yes well the way your describing how it wont work doesnt make sense as the ciggerate lighters produce 5amps if im correct? so while driving your car and chargeing up your mobile phone youlose the energy yes. now being as a dry cell hho needs 5amps to power it the hydrogen then goes inside the engine and then powers the alternator to power the battery which through in turn completes the otto cycle
greyandme2 7 months ago
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greyandme2 7 months ago
@greyandme2 here's an example of what the HHO scheme is, in a different form. What if you had a small wind turbine on top of your car and powered the HHO generator with the electricity it produced when going down the road? Oh but wait! you are adding drag to the car, which DECREASES your gas millage--- furthermore there are inefficiencies in the turbine and HHO cell so you don't put back, in the engine, as much energy that you lost through the decreased gas millage.
seacoastauto 7 months ago
@seacoastauto yeah iget where your going with this but there is no turbine on the roof ofthe car please keep the subject at hand and dont try to divert people with stuff like that and dont forget with diesels you canstart the engine then disconnect the battery and it will keep running as it combusts on heat not spark sorry mate your just not taking all factors into consideration here
greyandme2 7 months ago
@greyandme2 do you get where I'm going with this? the HHO cell is just another load on the electrical system, which is powered by the engine, which draws power from the gasoline. You are creating more electromotive resistance in the alternator, which means a bigger load on the engine, which means a decrease in millage. When you factor in inefficiencies of the HHO cell, (which produces a lot of heat---very inefficient) you have a net energy loss.
seacoastauto 7 months ago
@seacoastauto [regarding very inefficent] like i said you gotta take all factors into consideration like if the car is diesel i did say it in aprevious comment but here goes you can start a diesel and disconnect the battery and it will keep on running as that runs on heat not spark and i dont know if you know this or not diesels are more effiecent then petrol just a bit more expensive surprise surprise but i do get where your coming from and it does make a bit of sense
greyandme2 7 months ago
@greyandme2 oh and idid meant to say whether or not the car or vehicle is automatic as well as diesel or petrol
greyandme2 7 months ago
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@seacoastauto type in your youtube browser woodgassification and see what comes up now if that aint a renewable source its as close as we may ever come to it also would like your views on set subject and biofuel/biogas/biodiesel as i do enjoy the little banter
greyandme2 7 months ago
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greyandme2 7 months ago
@greyandme2
I actually found a news story with test results that are the same as what I predicted. Test show higher millage when the device is turned off.
In the youtube search field type "dateline nbc hho scam part 1".
Parts 2 and 3 are there too. It's a segment about a guy who sells these things. I'd post the link but youtube won't let me for some reason.
seacoastauto 7 months ago
@seacoastauto yeah i tried to post a link earlier wouldnt let me and another thing that pisses me off with youtube is how many characters you can put in the comments box they should really just change it to 800 characters at least p.s have you seen the hho dry cell torch pretty cool
greyandme2 7 months ago
@seacoastauto yeah ill have a look at the vids as soon as my computer stops f##cking me about
greyandme2 7 months ago
@seacoastauto yeah agree with you that guy is a scam artist being as he travels from place to place selling it to the little man when really the little man could have just stood up and said to himself hangon i could make it myself and save myself $2000 people like that piss me off wouldnt mind all hes doing is installing it really he didnt even come up with the hho generator design some people in a lab did or something like that did you get my other comment on the wood gassifer/biogas/biodiesel
greyandme2 7 months ago
@seacoastauto yeah watched the video please read previous comment
greyandme2 7 months ago
@seacoastauto all i know is id rather give something a go then buy those pointless additives
greyandme2 7 months ago
@seacoastautoon the road kinetic energy. now then the car standing still would surly only be losing heat as energy and not kinetic energy thru the tires only the engine yeah agree with you about thermodynamics but what i was trying to say was about boyles law read the whole page smart arse
greyandme2 7 months ago
@seacoastauto still cant answer your qustion with another question lol go on wikipedia and type in boyles law and read the whole page smart arse
greyandme2 7 months ago
@seacoastauto see have got no comment back on the videos isaid to type in regarding the woodgassifier oh and how it was succesfully used in the secondworld war untill surprissurprise it was no longer in productive use after the war im not comparing it to the hho just abit odd or convienient if you like
greyandme2 7 months ago