@MatthewPalumbo Id rather have bad teeth than look like a hippo, have you seen these americans, they cant even fit in european cars, they take up two seats on the bus - fat cunt
With a private system budget applies less because the laws of demand and supply step in to find a market equilibrium of health care provision. It is generally regarded in the UK that we have a very fair health system but somewhat lacking in quality and speed of service. With my private insurance I will not be put on any waiting lists for treatment....but obviously not everybody can afford private insurance and they are still catered for very well to be honest.
As a UK citizen i have decided to take out private medical insurance. Whilst it is true that I do not need it as all medical treatment is provided regardless of ability to pay, I do not think that the NHS is able to provide the higher level of treatment that is available privately. dprjones is correct that any system has to have a budget, but in the UK this stands at around £1800 per year per person whereas in France it is around £3400 per year per person.
Fox News & Hannity always lie !!! most sane people in the usa knows that fox isn't news. it's propaganda for the righwingers who have soldout the american people to big banks & corperations.they never care who they hurt !!!
Hannity is a political prostitute, he'll do what ever he's told to, that little rat if R.Murdock (AKA : Satan) turned Muslim, Hannity would be praising Ala all over, fuck that little rat and his narrow fascist views on the world.
Yeah it is nice if you like a police force which through monetary starvation and red tape is semi neutered, a fire brigade which is that overstretched that they can take multiple days to get to fires in progress, a health service which is (generally) sub par to managed health (though better than no treatment at all :D) Huge amounts of crime which is simply ignored, and being taxed to the hilt for all this.
Of course this may be "grass is greener goggles" but...
This is coming from a fairly low class area though. I suppose if you had the money to move somewhere good, then it probably (apart from the tax of course) would be great.
@DeathJesterUK I honestly couldnt care less if you call bullshit on me or not as you obviously dont know shit.
It happened to me, the fire was about 30 feet from my house (and we were worried it was going to spread through nearby foliage, though in retrospect thats unlikely as dont plants need to be dried out to burn?) luckily people from the neighborhood put it out.
A fire crew comes 2 days after and asks us if the fire is still going. What the fuck were they expecting?!
Regardless, you demand proof yet offer none for your assertion.
You may live in a high class area, and thus your Fire Service may be better, however my local one is (apparently) understaffed, and often assualted during callouts. Likely these reduce response times somewhat.
Thinking back on it, the quickest response I can remember for my area was 2 hours for a bedroom fire, which again was put out by neighbors.
@DeathJesterUK "That simply doesnt happen in this country"
Nope, the burden of proof is on you. Or at the least is on both of us.
To put it bluntly, it happened, but I am as yet unaware of how I would prove it. Asking my local fireservice for any records of callouts and response times could be an option. But do they release that kind of info? Would it have been altered to appear more favourable?
Really though I would like to know what you based your blanket assertion on? A hunch?
Whilst I accept the thrust of dpr Jones' video, the political reality is that NICE exists for two reasons, the first to assess the efficacy of new treatments in the context of their cost, and secondly to distance government from the potential political damage that can be caused by those decisions when they are detrimental to specific interest groups.
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Hannity is referring to the fact that in Britain, the government decides for you. Patients have no choice. In the U.S. the patient has the control not the government. That is a HUGE difference! Patients can buy affordable coverage they need. People usually get denied because they didn't read their policy. With freedom comes responsibility! Policies are affordable. It just depends on how you want to spend your money. Some people would rather buy video games than have better insurance.
What the fuck are you talking about ? Why does their government decide for the people ? an other anti social libertarian that thinks he's cool because the name sound different, get a grip.
Thanks for making these. The US is full of so much nonsense when this issue is addressed. No rational discussion, just catch-phrases and misrepresenting other countries.
Nationalised healthcare isn't free, and our country cannot afford it... But the Democrats in Congress want to ram it down our throats, despite the effect it will have on our economy and debt...
Our system can be fixed without a government takeover with TORT reform, tax breaks to businesses that offer healthcare to their employees, letting insurance compaies compete across state lines, and incentives for insurance companies to cover prople with pre-existing conditions...
its free at the point of use im affraid you americans have to be objective, even if you have insurance you have to pray that they pay out when you get ill in the UK this does not exsist we will be treated
It should also perhaps be pointed out that NICE guidelines are just that. Doctors are still responsible for clinical decisions and can break the NICE guidelines if they think it's the correct decision for an individual patient.
They'd have to have a damn good reason of course, NICE takes some care over its decisions.
Describing NICE as a government rationing body is just ludicrous.
Segment 3:30, the testimony of that doctor is 100% right on and my feeling exactly. Come on fess up, we all know it happens here in America. Thank you tanking the time to show us how low down and dirty fox news and its supposedly "unbiased "reporting are.
Dprjones, if there's any chance you read your comments, i don't recommend using google, mostly because its a generally anti-free speech company, seeing that they make a large amount of profits from work with china, by keeping certain results off of there search engine, (mostly stuff that does not support the Chinese communist ideal system).
Yes, i realize this, which is why i dont like you tube much either. which is also why im glad youtube is going to crash and burn soon and all the cool you tube atheists will go somewhere else, nd ill follow them :)
Was it you, dpr, who added the Barber to the Congressional hearing, or was that already on the snippet of the hearing you used? Either way, while it was a little over the top, there are very few more emotive pieces of music, and there are very few more emotive items on the agenda of the Obama Administration to date. Well played, I say.
If the National Institute for Health and Clinical Excellence is not a government body, and indeed, is not affiliated with the government in any way, then surely calling it a government body is slander. Can Hannity be taken to court?
It may be uncomfortable to do so, however that is what you must do if you are to decide how to spend the limited resources you have to the greatest benefit. Money is afterall simply a medium of exchange of those resources. So UHS or not that problem remains.
For example do you decide to invest in mechanisation of agriculture knowing that it will result in the starvation of ten million in the short term, if it will prevent the starvation of fifty million in the long term?
@MasterAdam100 I suppose if you start strawmanning opposing arguments as the stupiest thing that you can possibly think of, any position will start to look convincing.
I have viewed your video TWICE and the only thing I have determined is that you do not know what Hannity is referring to - but you are quick on the trigger to bring up only one case that is publicized in your pressrooms. And sadly, she was taken by the very disease she despirately asked your government to treat. Oh, and your snippet on a healthcare dictator in the US in front of a govt committee was a good diversion. Cummon - get it right and stop wasting your talent on crap.
Nobody knows what Hannity is referring to. That's the point. He may as well have said the British government denied a cancer patient treatment...then sent cougars to eat her alive. He's employing scare tactics using anecdotal evidence taken out of context. This woman wasn't denied ALL health care, just that specific treatment determined ineffective by medical professionals. She used the legal system and got it anyway. What's the great crime?
Someone please shoot hannity, for the love of god just kill him. I don't condone violence but if a bullet from a cheney hunting party were to hit hannity i would be happy.
This is a moral question. The other part is about, how do we pay for it. It's still a moral question.
What would Jebuz do?
How nuts do you have to be, not to see that this is two separate questions? Q1: Should the ppl of our country have health care and are their life valuable? Q2: How do we pay for it?
Answer Q1 first, then Q2. If Q1 is denied, then who cares who pays? Let ppl die. If Q1 is carried, then you deal with Q2. Was that difficult?
Administrations put pressure on doctors to turn patients away or deny certain treatments on patients who are considered "high risk" for no other reason than if the mortality rate gets to a certain percent the insurance company drops the hospital as part of their network.
In Australia occasionally patients might have the wrong private insurance coverage (eg, not realising they don't have trauma coverage). However all that happens then is that they get the same treatment under the public system instead! Likewise if they won't insure for a pre-existing condition, the public system takes over.
Also here it is irrelevant which doctor/hospital you see. Private insurance cannot refuse to pay just because you don't see a doctor in "their" network.
This excellent video is more proof that we need national health care with the government option. Those who oppose that here, have demonstrated, beyond doubt, that they clearly do not understand the issue.
Wrong. You clearly don't understand basic economics. If you think public bathrooms and schools are run well, just wait to you get shuvled into the "public option."
Check out the video "Milton Friedman- Socilized medicine" video here on youtube. That should clear up some fallacies stored in your head.
You really don't get it. All of the worst fears I have heard of national health care - we have that right now.
1. A beaurocrat will decide if you get care. We have that now. With Obama's plan, that ends.
2. The public option will cost too much. Wrong again. It has been proven that the public option will make health care cost less.
Here's the kicker: more than 18,000 people die every year in the U.S. because they could NOT afford health care. By the time they got to ememgency its too late.
You really should find out what you are talking about before you make yourself look foolish with a comment like that. Also, it would help if you at least attempted to learn how to spell.
Capitalism depends on "perfect competition". Oligarchy and Monopoly works AGAINST capitalism. So you need regulation to FORCE "competition". That's capitalism my friend. Now get that economics book. ;-)
you would be 100% but as i started early dip fuck we are a corporatist state(now quasi fascist) not a free market so those regulations are use as a means to raise barriers to entry no go read the economics textbook Economics: Principles, Problems, and Policies might help
NICE isn't perfect, it has denied Cancer patients certain Life saving treatments.. But in the end it's like what DPRJones said money doesn't grow on trees and NICE try their best to offer everyone a fair deal, you could get the drug, probably in America, but we know they wont offer you it because the system is profit orientated, not patient care orientated.
That Hannity is even still on the air is a tradgedy to Common Sense.
I live in the United States, and it's been plainly obvious to me that Fox News anchors (I guess that's what you call them) like Hannity are full of shit, but this kind of grade-A misinformation filters down. I've heard people citing these very same inaccuracies while venting their paranoia about the possibility of a nationwide healthcare system, and I actually believed it myself because I had heard it so often.
I have no idea, I am an ashamed American, although I greatly appreciate being born in a first-world country, the United States is way too conservative for my likes.
There is already someone controlling your healthcare, standing between you and your doctor. They're called insurance companies. They make their money by finding ways to deny coverage to people who need it, dropping people once they start needing their coverage, and denying claims. The market drives this, as their first responsibility is to shareholders, not patients. Let's focus on the issue here instead of your Orwellian fantasies. US Healthcare is NEEDS reform. We need to figure out how.
I give up. This country will NEVER do the right thing...I'm disappointed in Congress, Obama--and this situation will never improve. I'm thinking I'll never vote again.
The woman who died of cancer in England, came from my home town of Swindon, The Swindon health council weren't denying her treatment out of any kind of maliciousness, clearly. They have a budget, and were attempting to stay within thier financial guidelines. It was a lose/lose situation. Anyhoo, Mrs Rogers got her Herceptin drug eventually, unfortunatly she died some time later.
Even as someone who opposes govt run health care, I have to admit the british system would be an improvement for the 99.9% of us who wouldnt never utilize the most advanced medical care American system is know for.
Another great video. It's becoming increasingly difficult for people like Hannity to not come off as being shills for corporate interests. Over the last 10 years, insurance company premiums have increased on average, 467%. Anyone with a calculator, a piece of paper, and some quick calculations can figure out relatively quickly that such increases are simply unsustainable. Frankly, I hope the people of the US are near the point where they've had enough of this. Thanks for the info dpr
all alternative the consumer is forced to use there service and they are then allowed/have the abilty to cut corners and indanger people beacuase there is no comptetion and no alternative trusting are incompetent gov with more responsibility will only lead to bigger more encompassing problems
yeah - insurance companies in the US are for profit companies so they need to deny as many claims as possible because paying claims is considered an expense and reduces profitability.
I know that it won't fix all problems in the US, but if the insurance industry was forced into a not-for-profit model, we would be on the right path, in my opinion at least.
no way man this isnt a free market issue its a corporatism issue the very institution that is responsable for the bullshit problems in this country are claiming to be the soultion mainly the us federal government they erection barrieries to entry meaning all major us insurance company lack any type of competion without an
Can anyone who saw SICKO tell me is it worth watching? or is it full of deceitful editing, taking people out of context, re-enactments passed off as live footage, obfuscation of the truth, and quite a few white lies as his 3 previous films were? I like 75% of the content of his films, the other 25% makes me want to puke!
From what I can tell, SICKO is way better then his previous films, mostly because Moore spends more time explaining how he thinks the healthcare system SHOULD works insted of slandering people who are affiliated with the current one. He does a fair share of that too, burt he gives the impression now more then ever that he actually wants to help solve the problem. Nonetheless, keep the salt ready.
thanks for your input... he's a good film maker, just wish he was more honest and up front with his slants and not misrepresenting his own agenda. Sounds like i would like it better than his last three. (refused to watch F911)
The thing people here forget is, that private health insurance companies deny treatments all the time. They have even denied treatments to terminally ill. Look it up for yourselves. Rationing has been going on since the beginning of health insurance. It is necessary in the private sector for purposes related to making a profit.
Thank you for coming to the aid of the americans abused by the free enterprize trade. Those of us who have been stomped on by the greedy, propagandized by the "public relations" firms, lied to by many who make bucks by smashing down middle america -- appreciate it.
Via controlling the masses by allowing our currupt religious establishment to be the engine, our forces that now run america have the monopoly on propaganda and we live in Orwell's 1984 surreal world.
The US system cost twice as much as the UK, not because it is better, but because cash is bled away into the pockets of investors.
If the profit motive was taken away, ALL the money would go to patient care, and less would be taken from US citizens.
The problem is, the rich do not like the idea of paying for the treatment of some "trailer trash" who pays minimum taxes on the pathetic wages that companies like Wal-mart pay.
The fact is tha the US system of healthcare exists to make money for the executives and shareholders of the insurance companies, hospitals and drug companies. They extract money from the system which in the UK goes to the patient. The bewildering array of insurance policies, medicare& medicaid schemes means that people are denied treatment to boost the profits of the Co's.
Great video; I'd like to add a 6th star so that I can turn up the rating! I do hope that more Fox viewers stumble upon this video of dpr's, and that the more open minded of that lot reconsider their allegiance to a truly unfair & unbalanced network. Oh, here's a new slogan for Fox News: when those pesky facts get in the way, we create our own reality.
My god dpr, how dare you refute the buzzwords and rumors Hannity uses in his groundbreaking reporting with your facts and actual research. Don't you know the policies of Fox News, that stretching and manipulating the truth into a half truth or even a whole lie is ok as long as it keeps the opinion of the pundits on equal ground with facts.
the funny thing in some ways is that Hannity really better pray that he is wrong about everything... because if he is right, then he will surely go to hell ;-) LOL
...i am not sure whether to credit him with enough intelligence to know he is speaking crap or not... because i dont rate intelligence by someone having a tv job & being able to spout crap really fast & not let your guest get a word in edgewise...
Ockham's razor tells me he is an idiot whether he believes his own bullshit or not
Sure, I learned about it probably 6-8 months ago, and before I made any rash comments about it I tried looking into it prior to opening my mouth and accusing someone of fudging their video vote counts....
While I don't think we in America need to move to an NHS style system, but I applaud you for this series. Thank you for staying within the scope of addressing the inaccuracies in the coverage of your country's health system, rather than trying to actively influence our debate.
Imagine you have two insurance companies. The other follows policy "life > profit" and the other "profit > life". Quess which one is going to run into financial problems easier and go bankrupt?
The fact that FOX is in the news BUSINESS is clear evidence that the profit motive skews one's willingness to be honest and "fair". Hannity would be fired under any situation where news was to inform, not persuade (of ignorance).
We can see how the company, FOX, wants the Hannity to go on because of his ratings, and because he does what the company wants him to do, than to fire him for being blatantly lying.
I just want to second verodefacto, dprjones. This is a fantastic series of videos and I'm glad you're fighting against Sean Hannity and Neil Hannan's insipid propaganda.
Nearly everyone in the UK wants to improve the NHS, but rethink its founding doctrine of providing for everyone who needs it, and have insurance companies rule the roost? No chance. Besides, I don't feel like sitting through an entire Erin Brockovich franchise on healthcare.
That you check citations and references actually occurred to me a few seconds after posting my previous comment; sorry to sound so brash, but i am 'wikiphobic' (!) although i dont do videos that often (im a crap speaker), I do research all the time in my work and studies, and wiki is banned from Colleges and Universities in the UK.
As for the content of this series of videos: Excellent points and retorts; I wish the folks at Fox would watch, but they have to keep the fearmongering up!
Can someone please explain to me the following; how can privately funded health cover in comparison to publicy funded do
1) lower the price of medicine 2) increase the salaries of the health workers 3) reduce waiting times 4) increase life expectancy 5) be more cost effective and make a profit without effecting the social treatment of the nation.
dprjones, thank you so much for these videos. I only wish that they could be broadcast on every television screen in America, or at least be aired on Faux News to rectify a little of the damage they are causing.
I had my suspicions, so I checked. NICE suffers from the challenge that any central planning agency does. Hayek mentioned it in his article The Use of Knowledge in Society. Knowledge about disease and the risks people are willing to undergo to cure it are dispersed and consequently not easy to be considered by a central agency. Traditionallythat left people underserved in far-flung areas. But UK is small, USSR was big. So the impact is small. But nevertheless it is there
The wikipedia article that dpr refers to has a Criticism section that reflects this. Should the nation of USA break up into England sized countries before universal health systems can work?
How is characterizing those you oppose as being uneducated hicks any different than what Hannity does?
I'm speaking about the general attitude in the comments here. I guess it's an attitude in politics in general. It's all black and white with no middle ground. You are right and everyone else is either an evil greedy monster or deceived by one.
I wouldn't be concerned if I didn't see the same thing happen in the political forum at the "league of reason" and on rational wiki. It's a travesty.
Well, it goes like this. If you bring people to a state of frustration then there is a crisis. They are too desperate to think clearly and too easy to manipulate. And boy are they being manipulated.
But who is "they" in this case? You mean the left? The right? The north? The purple?
Why must someone always be the one being manipulated? Why must someone else be the true voice of truth?
This is freaking politics. EVERYONE is being manipulated. You, me, the people in the comments, Thunderf00t, Hannity, DPRJones. EVERYONE. Nobody is immune to this shit, and it shows.
They refers to career politicians, who have four to eight years to pump the system for all its worth and live a comfortable life when everything goes to shit because of their short-sightedness. But the short sightedness is built into the system. It was not that way when senators where not elected, but that was a long time back.
One could argue that the problems exist because the government has the power to interfere in certain areas that it didn't in the last 100 years, and that is what contributes to this system of short-sightedness.
I guess I'm just trying to criticize the characterization of the debate from a neutral perspective. I have my own take on the situation, and a quick glance at my friends list/subscriptions would betray that in an instant. However, this oversimplification of issues needs to stop.
One could argue that the problems exist because the government has the power to interfere in certain areas that it didn't in the last 100 years.
And that would be a fine argument to make indeed. Why not restrict the government to the enumerated powers in the constitution and let people manage their own affairs.
Except... that the problems exist because of too ~little~ government. Our house market crashed because of deregulation. Our stock market crashed due to deregulation. Wall Street practically stole their bail out money due to a lack of regulation. The health care industry is a disaster due to a lack of regulation. Free markets don't work when they favor the corporation and not the consumer because then their greed destroys and corrupts every resource they exploit.
Boy have you drunk the koolaid. Free market favors the consumer. What you have in America is corporatism. That is where corporate powers get together and lobby to have laws passed in their favor and then ordinary consumers like you and me for a ride. There are regulations all right. The kind that allows them to rip you off. So when you ask them for for more regulation, you are just opening more ways for them to rip you. I am sure you do not mind. You have bought into their bullshit.
WTF are you talking about? Most of that "regulation" was DE-regulation. I've known for a good few years now that America is turning from a capitalist society to a corporate society and that's the issue. We need our government to take back control to place the favor back into the consumers' side. The Wall Street fiasco, the housing market crash, good banks failing in favor of bad bank bailouts, this health care debacle, ALL corporate DE-regulation.
Yes, that is the way to go, instead of letting government control your life through corporations they favor and bail out with tax money, just let them run your lives directly, like they did in the Soviet Union. Things will be a-ok then.
Well there is no middle way between truth and untruth. So that is the way it is going to be. Whether I am debating or trolling is up to you to decide.
SInce everyone got forced to contribute to it whether they want to or not. The worth of a life is decided by the person who it belongs to. But you have asked the wrong question by asking me how much I think it is worth. The measure of worth is subjective. There is no scale for it.
How's about the fact that FOX 'news' is doing its best to stir up uninformed condemnation of the Net Neutrality proposal? (Which would stop internet providers from, say, blocking / prioitising their customers' access to different sites.)
Im glad that you actually read books (1984), based on your name i would initially think otherwise. But do tell, how exactly would we be "signing away our health" if we did in fact initiate a public option health care plan? By giving those who need care based on their illness, and not how well their insurance will pay.
Well, if health is what the government provides you then they control your life. In fact you have signed your life on to their hands. You must abide by their rules to stay healthy or you die. In case of private firms, you can choose from many or opt out and they can't fine you or arrest you for doing that.
Please give an example where the gov't does this supposed action. If you don't give a valid example, then proceed to find a dunce cap and put it on top of your head.
What do you think happens in England to people who refuse to pay for the NHS upkeep. Do you think it is ok if they opted to stay out of NHS hospitals?
It's impossible to opt out of paying for the NHS in Britain (as it should be), the money is automatically taken out of pay alongside our income tax as something called a "National Insurance" contribution. This contribution goes up as you earn more making it fair, if you earn nothing then you pay nothing!
People can go to a private hospital but they still National Insurance.
It is not fair, especially if you have to pay more if you earn more. And pay nothing if you earn nothing. It discourages both poor people and rich from living healthy lives. Poor people tend not to because they will be paid for with money stolen from rich people. Rich people tend not to because living healthy means not getting their money's worth from the system that they are forced to contribute to. The system will only spread unhealthy habits, does not matter whether people like it or not.
In what sense is it unfair if I earn more that I pay more?!
The main reason the poor are unhealthy is lack of WORK leading to a cheaper less healthy diet not if they pay or not pay National Insurance!
On the other hand you will find the more wealthy WORKING people in society are FAR more healthy regardless of National Insurance due to the access to better food! Our system leads to a healthier nation with a lower overall mortality rate then America!
The poor are unhealthy because they lack work ethic? That's bull and you know it is. I've seen a working man sweat and work hard all day every day but can't afford health insurance for his family and daughter.
And you tell him to work HARDER? You know not what you say.
I'm not talking about work ethic! I'm talking about ACCESS to work and the then IMPROVEMENT IN DIET leading to healthier people.
I have also seen working men sweat and work hard then get health care via the NHS!
If you have seen people work all day and not afford health insurance I presume you are American! If they were British they would have automatic access to health care via the NHS!
I think you make my point that Britain has a FAR BETTER system for the poor!
There is no direct co-relation between wealth and health. And not all things that keep us healthy costs too much. So what you say do not make sense. And mortality is not an indicator of a health care system's achievements. Sick people use the system to live as long as healthy ones. Without a pricing system operating, there is no means to discover cheap and effective ways of keeping oneself healthy. That is the problem.
Of course there is a Co-relation between wealth and health! People who are poorer whatever country you are in tend to be less healthy "PERIOD"!
Frankly YOU make no sense!
The UK hasn't got a perfect system but proportional taxation funding a National Health Service is what we chose 60 years ago! We now have a lower mortality rate then America and more people have access to decent health care!
You are being intellectually lazy. Once people can meet their basic needs like food, housing and clothing, there is no direct co-relation between health and wealth. It is largely a product of birth circumstances and life choices.
@MatthewPalumbo Id rather have bad teeth than look like a hippo, have you seen these americans, they cant even fit in european cars, they take up two seats on the bus - fat cunt
dan11009 4 months ago
With a private system budget applies less because the laws of demand and supply step in to find a market equilibrium of health care provision. It is generally regarded in the UK that we have a very fair health system but somewhat lacking in quality and speed of service. With my private insurance I will not be put on any waiting lists for treatment....but obviously not everybody can afford private insurance and they are still catered for very well to be honest.
drewwhonumba22 9 months ago
As a UK citizen i have decided to take out private medical insurance. Whilst it is true that I do not need it as all medical treatment is provided regardless of ability to pay, I do not think that the NHS is able to provide the higher level of treatment that is available privately. dprjones is correct that any system has to have a budget, but in the UK this stands at around £1800 per year per person whereas in France it is around £3400 per year per person.
drewwhonumba22 9 months ago
gwate bwitten?
myjizzureye 10 months ago
@MatthewPalumbo Our teeth are fine, this steriotype has no basis in reality.
angrydead 1 year ago
Fox News & Hannity always lie !!! most sane people in the usa knows that fox isn't news. it's propaganda for the righwingers who have soldout the american people to big banks & corperations.they never care who they hurt !!!
unelmitchell 1 year ago 4
Hannity is a political prostitute, he'll do what ever he's told to, that little rat if R.Murdock (AKA : Satan) turned Muslim, Hannity would be praising Ala all over, fuck that little rat and his narrow fascist views on the world.
coffee396 2 years ago 3
Britain seems so much better then America..
*packs bags*
Zueluzz 2 years ago 25
Yeah it is nice if you like a police force which through monetary starvation and red tape is semi neutered, a fire brigade which is that overstretched that they can take multiple days to get to fires in progress, a health service which is (generally) sub par to managed health (though better than no treatment at all :D) Huge amounts of crime which is simply ignored, and being taxed to the hilt for all this.
Of course this may be "grass is greener goggles" but...
passwordresetisbroke 2 years ago
This is coming from a fairly low class area though. I suppose if you had the money to move somewhere good, then it probably (apart from the tax of course) would be great.
passwordresetisbroke 2 years ago
@passwordresetisbroke
"a fire brigade which is that overstretched that they can take multiple days to get to fires in progress"
Really, when and where did this take place then?
mercatormac 1 year ago
Runcorn, Wa7 postcode (dont want to give exact postcode you understand) Late 2006 (Late September I think though I honestly have forgotten exact date)
Truth be told after that I was ALOT more careful with fire avoidance, cause I cant trust my local service to save me... Maybe it was a good thing
passwordresetisbroke 1 year ago
@passwordresetisbroke
Unless you can provide documentation and evidence...I call bullshit on you. That simply doesnt happen in this country.
DeathJesterUK 1 year ago
@DeathJesterUK I honestly couldnt care less if you call bullshit on me or not as you obviously dont know shit.
It happened to me, the fire was about 30 feet from my house (and we were worried it was going to spread through nearby foliage, though in retrospect thats unlikely as dont plants need to be dried out to burn?) luckily people from the neighborhood put it out.
A fire crew comes 2 days after and asks us if the fire is still going. What the fuck were they expecting?!
passwordresetisbroke 1 year ago
@passwordresetisbroke Hmm, maybe that first response was a bit snarky.
Regardless, you demand proof yet offer none for your assertion.
You may live in a high class area, and thus your Fire Service may be better, however my local one is (apparently) understaffed, and often assualted during callouts. Likely these reduce response times somewhat.
Thinking back on it, the quickest response I can remember for my area was 2 hours for a bedroom fire, which again was put out by neighbors.
passwordresetisbroke 1 year ago
@passwordresetisbroke
I dont need to prove anything. The burden of proof is on you. You made the claim, it is your responsibility to prove it. Thats how it works.
You made the claim, I challenged it, now you have to prove it.
DeathJesterUK 1 year ago
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@DeathJesterUK "That simply doesnt happen in this country"
Nope, the burden of proof is on you. Or at the least is on both of us.
To put it bluntly, it happened, but I am as yet unaware of how I would prove it. Asking my local fireservice for any records of callouts and response times could be an option. But do they release that kind of info? Would it have been altered to appear more favourable?
Really though I would like to know what you based your blanket assertion on? A hunch?
passwordresetisbroke 1 year ago
Whilst I accept the thrust of dpr Jones' video, the political reality is that NICE exists for two reasons, the first to assess the efficacy of new treatments in the context of their cost, and secondly to distance government from the potential political damage that can be caused by those decisions when they are detrimental to specific interest groups.
Herbal61 3 months ago
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Hannity is referring to the fact that in Britain, the government decides for you. Patients have no choice. In the U.S. the patient has the control not the government. That is a HUGE difference! Patients can buy affordable coverage they need. People usually get denied because they didn't read their policy. With freedom comes responsibility! Policies are affordable. It just depends on how you want to spend your money. Some people would rather buy video games than have better insurance.
MrFreeLibertarian 2 years ago
When you say, " The government decides for you" What do you mean? What exactly does the government decide?
dococksmother 2 years ago
"in Britain, the government decides for you"
they do? that's a curious... fact.
I'll make a counter-assertion, you pulled that fact out of your ass
Sutskoen 2 years ago
@MrFreeLibertarian
What the fuck are you talking about ? Why does their government decide for the people ? an other anti social libertarian that thinks he's cool because the name sound different, get a grip.
coffee396 2 years ago
Thanks for making these. The US is full of so much nonsense when this issue is addressed. No rational discussion, just catch-phrases and misrepresenting other countries.
seeingglass86 2 years ago
Nationalised healthcare isn't free, and our country cannot afford it... But the Democrats in Congress want to ram it down our throats, despite the effect it will have on our economy and debt...
Our system can be fixed without a government takeover with TORT reform, tax breaks to businesses that offer healthcare to their employees, letting insurance compaies compete across state lines, and incentives for insurance companies to cover prople with pre-existing conditions...
TheEllipsis731 2 years ago
its free at the point of use im affraid you americans have to be objective, even if you have insurance you have to pray that they pay out when you get ill in the UK this does not exsist we will be treated
loudman12 2 years ago
People in the UK regularly vote the National Health Service the thing we are most proud of as a nation.
If someone gets ill they get treated for free.
I have never had to worry about health costs in my life. it is very liberating.
It is obscene IMO that people are denied medicines which could help them,
It can bring a whole family down just because a loved one is ill. it is just wrong
USA health service is a joke to us in the UK,
USA, do the decent good thing. get socialized healthcare.
marsCubed 2 years ago
It should also perhaps be pointed out that NICE guidelines are just that. Doctors are still responsible for clinical decisions and can break the NICE guidelines if they think it's the correct decision for an individual patient.
They'd have to have a damn good reason of course, NICE takes some care over its decisions.
Describing NICE as a government rationing body is just ludicrous.
mib2259 2 years ago
Segment 3:30, the testimony of that doctor is 100% right on and my feeling exactly. Come on fess up, we all know it happens here in America. Thank you tanking the time to show us how low down and dirty fox news and its supposedly "unbiased "reporting are.
SAINTNIKE 2 years ago
Dprjones, if there's any chance you read your comments, i don't recommend using google, mostly because its a generally anti-free speech company, seeing that they make a large amount of profits from work with china, by keeping certain results off of there search engine, (mostly stuff that does not support the Chinese communist ideal system).
dethdakiller0 2 years ago
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AllTheGoodNamzWerTkn 2 years ago
you do realize google owns youtube right?
vesman81 2 years ago
Yes, i realize this, which is why i dont like you tube much either. which is also why im glad youtube is going to crash and burn soon and all the cool you tube atheists will go somewhere else, nd ill follow them :)
dethdakiller0 2 years ago
Was it you, dpr, who added the Barber to the Congressional hearing, or was that already on the snippet of the hearing you used? Either way, while it was a little over the top, there are very few more emotive pieces of music, and there are very few more emotive items on the agenda of the Obama Administration to date. Well played, I say.
TimCubUAkbar 2 years ago
for lack of a more meaningless expletive... "god bless you dpr.... god bless you!'
*WEEPS openly and heavily from 3:30 - 4:45*... oh the freakin horrors!
brianthemayan 2 years ago
If the National Institute for Health and Clinical Excellence is not a government body, and indeed, is not affiliated with the government in any way, then surely calling it a government body is slander. Can Hannity be taken to court?
lazyperfectionist1 2 years ago
I find a system where a person's life can be weighted against a sum of money to be sickening.
ThetaOmega 2 years ago 19
It may be uncomfortable to do so, however that is what you must do if you are to decide how to spend the limited resources you have to the greatest benefit. Money is afterall simply a medium of exchange of those resources. So UHS or not that problem remains.
For example do you decide to invest in mechanisation of agriculture knowing that it will result in the starvation of ten million in the short term, if it will prevent the starvation of fifty million in the long term?
Xorinite 2 years ago
@ThetaOmega Imagine if someone charged you money to perform CPR on you while you were choking. That pretty much sums it up.
MasterAdam100 1 year ago
@MasterAdam100 I suppose if you start strawmanning opposing arguments as the stupiest thing that you can possibly think of, any position will start to look convincing.
Guncriminal 1 year ago
@Guncriminal Of course I was exaggerating a little bit but it's true to a degree. Any treatment in an ER, even CPR, costs a lot of money.
MasterAdam100 1 year ago
@ThetaOmega
Then show you mean it by sell everything you have and give the proceeds to the starving children of the third world.
If you can't do that, then at least stop making sanctimonious platitudes.
Guncriminal 1 year ago
I have viewed your video TWICE and the only thing I have determined is that you do not know what Hannity is referring to - but you are quick on the trigger to bring up only one case that is publicized in your pressrooms. And sadly, she was taken by the very disease she despirately asked your government to treat. Oh, and your snippet on a healthcare dictator in the US in front of a govt committee was a good diversion. Cummon - get it right and stop wasting your talent on crap.
TexasRangers34 2 years ago
Nobody knows what Hannity is referring to. That's the point. He may as well have said the British government denied a cancer patient treatment...then sent cougars to eat her alive. He's employing scare tactics using anecdotal evidence taken out of context. This woman wasn't denied ALL health care, just that specific treatment determined ineffective by medical professionals. She used the legal system and got it anyway. What's the great crime?
pyrite13 2 years ago 2
Someone please shoot hannity, for the love of god just kill him. I don't condone violence but if a bullet from a cheney hunting party were to hit hannity i would be happy.
LostSimply 2 years ago
Sean Hannity is a fucking liar
mancrushonhanksnow 2 years ago 2
This is a moral question. The other part is about, how do we pay for it. It's still a moral question.
What would Jebuz do?
How nuts do you have to be, not to see that this is two separate questions? Q1: Should the ppl of our country have health care and are their life valuable? Q2: How do we pay for it?
Answer Q1 first, then Q2. If Q1 is denied, then who cares who pays? Let ppl die. If Q1 is carried, then you deal with Q2. Was that difficult?
ILYIAB 2 years ago
"New medicines are expensive to make"
Um.......how expensive is it to make bombs? Nuclear weapons? Tanks? Guns? Aid to terrorist states like Israel?
Mechelle68 2 years ago 2
You may have actually changed my mind, sir.
LordLanceJH 2 years ago
Thank you dpr for doing all the work and going after the facts.
Great job.
buzzausa 2 years ago
You're doing great work, dpr!
Rhamni88 2 years ago
While I agree with Dpr i think the sad music was a little bit of a cheap shot.
adsffaaf 2 years ago
What do you think are the chances of Hannity showing that congressional testimony on his show? How about Glenn Beck?
The stunned look on the politicians' faces says it all. "But, but, our wonderful private health care system couldn't possibly do this!"
dutchroll 2 years ago 3
It still happens.
Administrations put pressure on doctors to turn patients away or deny certain treatments on patients who are considered "high risk" for no other reason than if the mortality rate gets to a certain percent the insurance company drops the hospital as part of their network.
Mechelle68 2 years ago
I know it does.
In Australia occasionally patients might have the wrong private insurance coverage (eg, not realising they don't have trauma coverage). However all that happens then is that they get the same treatment under the public system instead! Likewise if they won't insure for a pre-existing condition, the public system takes over.
Also here it is irrelevant which doctor/hospital you see. Private insurance cannot refuse to pay just because you don't see a doctor in "their" network.
dutchroll 2 years ago
Socialist know-nothings galore!
TimeWarp66 2 years ago
This excellent video is more proof that we need national health care with the government option. Those who oppose that here, have demonstrated, beyond doubt, that they clearly do not understand the issue.
landsdown44 2 years ago 2
Wrong. You clearly don't understand basic economics. If you think public bathrooms and schools are run well, just wait to you get shuvled into the "public option."
Check out the video "Milton Friedman- Socilized medicine" video here on youtube. That should clear up some fallacies stored in your head.
TimeWarp66 2 years ago
You really don't get it. All of the worst fears I have heard of national health care - we have that right now.
1. A beaurocrat will decide if you get care. We have that now. With Obama's plan, that ends.
2. The public option will cost too much. Wrong again. It has been proven that the public option will make health care cost less.
Here's the kicker: more than 18,000 people die every year in the U.S. because they could NOT afford health care. By the time they got to ememgency its too late.
landsdown44 2 years ago
it may public but you can but it wont be an OPTION
not to mention that the gov is responsaby for all of these problems it like trusting mcdonalds to help you loss wieght
hereticjoeyjoey 2 years ago
You really should find out what you are talking about before you make yourself look foolish with a comment like that. Also, it would help if you at least attempted to learn how to spell.
landsdown44 2 years ago 2
and you should help you're self to a basic economics textbook
hereticjoeyjoey 2 years ago
Yeah, you should pick one up.
Capitalism depends on "perfect competition". Oligarchy and Monopoly works AGAINST capitalism. So you need regulation to FORCE "competition". That's capitalism my friend. Now get that economics book. ;-)
ILYIAB 2 years ago
you would be 100% but as i started early dip fuck we are a corporatist state(now quasi fascist) not a free market so those regulations are use as a means to raise barriers to entry no go read the economics textbook Economics: Principles, Problems, and Policies might help
hereticjoeyjoey 2 years ago
Finally, someone got it right. Music to my...eyes I guess.
imarealgamer 2 years ago
Strange. Public schools are running quite alright overhere.
Perhaps you need to fix your public school system.
wrongwayup 2 years ago 2
The NICE sounds just like our American Insurance companies. They limit your care based on monetary choices as well.
BayerLexan 2 years ago
Thank you for making this video. I like knowing whats really going on.
Inuyshathebom 2 years ago
Typical Innanity
Paxmax 2 years ago
Its relevant because it explains your abject ignorance on the subject.
tmcthree 2 years ago
Great video, especially the moving confession before the senate committee.
bettySwollox 2 years ago
NICE is like wow. Wish we had that here in Denmark. And the speedy judicial system with complaints it WAY better than ours too!
Vogter2100 2 years ago
NICE isn't perfect, it has denied Cancer patients certain Life saving treatments.. But in the end it's like what DPRJones said money doesn't grow on trees and NICE try their best to offer everyone a fair deal, you could get the drug, probably in America, but we know they wont offer you it because the system is profit orientated, not patient care orientated.
That Hannity is even still on the air is a tradgedy to Common Sense.
2DRonaldo 2 years ago
Thank you dprjones for taking the time to make this.
vonVlunt 2 years ago
I live in the United States, and it's been plainly obvious to me that Fox News anchors (I guess that's what you call them) like Hannity are full of shit, but this kind of grade-A misinformation filters down. I've heard people citing these very same inaccuracies while venting their paranoia about the possibility of a nationwide healthcare system, and I actually believed it myself because I had heard it so often.
Keep doing what you do, Tf00t.
havvyweponsman 2 years ago
You're 54 years old?! Jesus...
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yhwhclone1 2 years ago
Life's rough all over, isn't it.
pgpwnit 2 years ago
You've obviously never been to th UK. In fact, I bet you, like the majority of americans, don't have a passport, do you?
tmcthree 2 years ago
Why do you Yanks tolerate networks that refuse to discipline, nay encourage and demand lying on the public airwaves?
What is your obsession with not trusting governement vs unqualified support for Private Enterprise?
kommissarw 2 years ago
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divrgonzo 2 years ago
I have no idea, I am an ashamed American, although I greatly appreciate being born in a first-world country, the United States is way too conservative for my likes.
zapo147 2 years ago
Then leave.
TimeWarp66 2 years ago
Alright, just 1sec so I can graduate.
zapo147 2 years ago
There is already someone controlling your healthcare, standing between you and your doctor. They're called insurance companies. They make their money by finding ways to deny coverage to people who need it, dropping people once they start needing their coverage, and denying claims. The market drives this, as their first responsibility is to shareholders, not patients. Let's focus on the issue here instead of your Orwellian fantasies. US Healthcare is NEEDS reform. We need to figure out how.
wanderingskeptic 2 years ago
This is such a retarded statement all I'm going to do is /faceplam.
settlefornothink 2 years ago
I give up. This country will NEVER do the right thing...I'm disappointed in Congress, Obama--and this situation will never improve. I'm thinking I'll never vote again.
mcelsner 2 years ago
The woman who died of cancer in England, came from my home town of Swindon, The Swindon health council weren't denying her treatment out of any kind of maliciousness, clearly. They have a budget, and were attempting to stay within thier financial guidelines. It was a lose/lose situation. Anyhoo, Mrs Rogers got her Herceptin drug eventually, unfortunatly she died some time later.
bonnie43uk 2 years ago
Even as someone who opposes govt run health care, I have to admit the british system would be an improvement for the 99.9% of us who wouldnt never utilize the most advanced medical care American system is know for.
Free market > govt run > US system. Go figure
uche007us 2 years ago
Another great video. It's becoming increasingly difficult for people like Hannity to not come off as being shills for corporate interests. Over the last 10 years, insurance company premiums have increased on average, 467%. Anyone with a calculator, a piece of paper, and some quick calculations can figure out relatively quickly that such increases are simply unsustainable. Frankly, I hope the people of the US are near the point where they've had enough of this. Thanks for the info dpr
Felix1049 2 years ago 2
all alternative the consumer is forced to use there service and they are then allowed/have the abilty to cut corners and indanger people beacuase there is no comptetion and no alternative trusting are incompetent gov with more responsibility will only lead to bigger more encompassing problems
hereticjoeyjoey 2 years ago
These are excellent videos.
puppetMattster 2 years ago
yeah - insurance companies in the US are for profit companies so they need to deny as many claims as possible because paying claims is considered an expense and reduces profitability.
I know that it won't fix all problems in the US, but if the insurance industry was forced into a not-for-profit model, we would be on the right path, in my opinion at least.
1n354a 2 years ago
no way man this isnt a free market issue its a corporatism issue the very institution that is responsable for the bullshit problems in this country are claiming to be the soultion mainly the us federal government they erection barrieries to entry meaning all major us insurance company lack any type of competion without an
hereticjoeyjoey 2 years ago
good video. 5 starred and favorited like the previous ones in the series
lolhowdoishotweblol 2 years ago
Nice vid DPR. thanks.
Can anyone who saw SICKO tell me is it worth watching? or is it full of deceitful editing, taking people out of context, re-enactments passed off as live footage, obfuscation of the truth, and quite a few white lies as his 3 previous films were? I like 75% of the content of his films, the other 25% makes me want to puke!
lennyhipp 2 years ago
From what I can tell, SICKO is way better then his previous films, mostly because Moore spends more time explaining how he thinks the healthcare system SHOULD works insted of slandering people who are affiliated with the current one. He does a fair share of that too, burt he gives the impression now more then ever that he actually wants to help solve the problem. Nonetheless, keep the salt ready.
wasneeplus 2 years ago
thanks for your input... he's a good film maker, just wish he was more honest and up front with his slants and not misrepresenting his own agenda. Sounds like i would like it better than his last three. (refused to watch F911)
lennyhipp 2 years ago
I remember the Herceptin case.
geffel 2 years ago
The thing people here forget is, that private health insurance companies deny treatments all the time. They have even denied treatments to terminally ill. Look it up for yourselves. Rationing has been going on since the beginning of health insurance. It is necessary in the private sector for purposes related to making a profit.
twolf422 2 years ago 4
Hannity's TV program are the sponsers health insurance company's.
billythefifer 2 years ago 2
Thank you for coming to the aid of the americans abused by the free enterprize trade. Those of us who have been stomped on by the greedy, propagandized by the "public relations" firms, lied to by many who make bucks by smashing down middle america -- appreciate it.
Via controlling the masses by allowing our currupt religious establishment to be the engine, our forces that now run america have the monopoly on propaganda and we live in Orwell's 1984 surreal world.
emeralds222 2 years ago 2
Cont..
The US system cost twice as much as the UK, not because it is better, but because cash is bled away into the pockets of investors.
If the profit motive was taken away, ALL the money would go to patient care, and less would be taken from US citizens.
The problem is, the rich do not like the idea of paying for the treatment of some "trailer trash" who pays minimum taxes on the pathetic wages that companies like Wal-mart pay.
The politics of greed is too prevelent in the US
wordavee 2 years ago 6
The fact is tha the US system of healthcare exists to make money for the executives and shareholders of the insurance companies, hospitals and drug companies. They extract money from the system which in the UK goes to the patient. The bewildering array of insurance policies, medicare& medicaid schemes means that people are denied treatment to boost the profits of the Co's.
wordavee 2 years ago 4
Great video; I'd like to add a 6th star so that I can turn up the rating! I do hope that more Fox viewers stumble upon this video of dpr's, and that the more open minded of that lot reconsider their allegiance to a truly unfair & unbalanced network. Oh, here's a new slogan for Fox News: when those pesky facts get in the way, we create our own reality.
SoaringTrumpet 2 years ago 4
My god dpr, how dare you refute the buzzwords and rumors Hannity uses in his groundbreaking reporting with your facts and actual research. Don't you know the policies of Fox News, that stretching and manipulating the truth into a half truth or even a whole lie is ok as long as it keeps the opinion of the pundits on equal ground with facts.
Awesome vid, keep up the good work.
lordpocketwatch 2 years ago 4
the funny thing in some ways is that Hannity really better pray that he is wrong about everything... because if he is right, then he will surely go to hell ;-) LOL
...i am not sure whether to credit him with enough intelligence to know he is speaking crap or not... because i dont rate intelligence by someone having a tv job & being able to spout crap really fast & not let your guest get a word in edgewise...
Ockham's razor tells me he is an idiot whether he believes his own bullshit or not
tarose71 2 years ago
685 ratings...303 views. Strange.
otherether 2 years ago
ratings are updated faster than views
eddie2042 2 years ago
youtube doesn't update the status on the fly
biscoito1r 2 years ago
Youtubes rating system updates at a quicker interval than the views counter dummy.
You made it past fifth grade? Strange.
ET4u 2 years ago
Now I know.
Tell me, when you learned about the rating system and how it updates faster than the views counter...did you feel important?
Enjoy your personality.
otherether 2 years ago
Sure, I learned about it probably 6-8 months ago, and before I made any rash comments about it I tried looking into it prior to opening my mouth and accusing someone of fudging their video vote counts....
It was quite easy.
ET4u 2 years ago
that's funny how you point out hannity's case is out of date and then cite a counter case that is older than his.
to say this comment is irrelevant to the issue at hand would be true... and also self-defeating. :)
secretajennt 2 years ago
While I don't think we in America need to move to an NHS style system, but I applaud you for this series. Thank you for staying within the scope of addressing the inaccuracies in the coverage of your country's health system, rather than trying to actively influence our debate.
Five stars for all three of your videos.
ls1z28chris 2 years ago 2
Proper journalism eludes FOX news.
mnewf2002 2 years ago 2
Good on you DPR, living in Britain I am glad we have the NHS!
sekules 2 years ago
Thank You dprjones. What would we do without our friends in the UK.
y0nd3r 2 years ago
Another triumph. You certainly know your targets and your research. Bravo.
dangerouslytalented 2 years ago
Life > profit.
Why can't people understand this simple concept?
njb444 2 years ago 2
Because to many people, life with profit > life without profit regardless of the quality of life itself.
SeruQuik 2 years ago
Cause money is more important to most people.
xxxFaustusxxx 2 years ago
Imagine you have two insurance companies. The other follows policy "life > profit" and the other "profit > life". Quess which one is going to run into financial problems easier and go bankrupt?
jimidinh 2 years ago
The fact that FOX is in the news BUSINESS is clear evidence that the profit motive skews one's willingness to be honest and "fair". Hannity would be fired under any situation where news was to inform, not persuade (of ignorance).
We can see how the company, FOX, wants the Hannity to go on because of his ratings, and because he does what the company wants him to do, than to fire him for being blatantly lying.
Rationalific 2 years ago
Good work Dpr, i'm really enjoying this series!
verodefacto 2 years ago
I just want to second verodefacto, dprjones. This is a fantastic series of videos and I'm glad you're fighting against Sean Hannity and Neil Hannan's insipid propaganda.
Nearly everyone in the UK wants to improve the NHS, but rethink its founding doctrine of providing for everyone who needs it, and have insurance companies rule the roost? No chance. Besides, I don't feel like sitting through an entire Erin Brockovich franchise on healthcare.
PurushaDesa 2 years ago
Why does the judicial document at 3:13 have the Queen on it? Does the Queen have some sort of power over the courts?
TheHeather1985 2 years ago
DPR, Please please PLEASE stop referring to Wikipedia! It is innacurrate.
neil73 2 years ago
I rarely rely on wiki unless I have checked its content with other sources or checked the references it cites.
However, sometimes it summarises information more succinctly than other sources.
If you find an example of any case in which I have relied on wiki and have, as a result, made an incorrect comment, then tell me.
dprjones 2 years ago
That you check citations and references actually occurred to me a few seconds after posting my previous comment; sorry to sound so brash, but i am 'wikiphobic' (!) although i dont do videos that often (im a crap speaker), I do research all the time in my work and studies, and wiki is banned from Colleges and Universities in the UK.
As for the content of this series of videos: Excellent points and retorts; I wish the folks at Fox would watch, but they have to keep the fearmongering up!
neil73 2 years ago
You did leave off criticism of NICE. That was in the wiki too. You just picked what suited you.
venompangx 2 years ago
great vid.
i wonder when america will join the rest of the civilized world
mambuduomally 2 years ago
very well said dpr. people usuly are never refused treatment on the NHS. in the crule world of the free market people are refused and often.
conrad4ever 2 years ago
wow, that confession from Dr. Linda Pino was really moving (not just for the music!)
SublimePsychedilics 2 years ago
Can someone please explain to me the following; how can privately funded health cover in comparison to publicy funded do
1) lower the price of medicine 2) increase the salaries of the health workers 3) reduce waiting times 4) increase life expectancy 5) be more cost effective and make a profit without effecting the social treatment of the nation.
threesheetstadawind 2 years ago
I have yet to find a single Health Insurance provider that actually provides what my Girl Friend and I actually require.
totalnerd747 2 years ago
Faux News makes my physically ill.
ROSHing1 2 years ago 3
If you want real news, watch the Real News Network.
nordlichreiter 2 years ago
There is no merit in Hannity, or anyone else at Fox News.
Atriviality 2 years ago
dprjones, thank you so much for these videos. I only wish that they could be broadcast on every television screen in America, or at least be aired on Faux News to rectify a little of the damage they are causing.
nemo3590 2 years ago 2
I had my suspicions, so I checked. NICE suffers from the challenge that any central planning agency does. Hayek mentioned it in his article The Use of Knowledge in Society. Knowledge about disease and the risks people are willing to undergo to cure it are dispersed and consequently not easy to be considered by a central agency. Traditionallythat left people underserved in far-flung areas. But UK is small, USSR was big. So the impact is small. But nevertheless it is there
venompangx 2 years ago
The wikipedia article that dpr refers to has a Criticism section that reflects this. Should the nation of USA break up into England sized countries before universal health systems can work?
venompangx 2 years ago
Lmao... we're already broken up into England sized states. Unites States of America... remember.
xccmx 2 years ago 3
Before the civil war, there was some truth to that. You are 145 years out of date.
venompangx 2 years ago
How is characterizing those you oppose as being uneducated hicks any different than what Hannity does?
I'm speaking about the general attitude in the comments here. I guess it's an attitude in politics in general. It's all black and white with no middle ground. You are right and everyone else is either an evil greedy monster or deceived by one.
I wouldn't be concerned if I didn't see the same thing happen in the political forum at the "league of reason" and on rational wiki. It's a travesty.
Virgil0211 2 years ago
Well, it goes like this. If you bring people to a state of frustration then there is a crisis. They are too desperate to think clearly and too easy to manipulate. And boy are they being manipulated.
venompangx 2 years ago
But who is "they" in this case? You mean the left? The right? The north? The purple?
Why must someone always be the one being manipulated? Why must someone else be the true voice of truth?
This is freaking politics. EVERYONE is being manipulated. You, me, the people in the comments, Thunderf00t, Hannity, DPRJones. EVERYONE. Nobody is immune to this shit, and it shows.
Virgil0211 2 years ago
They refers to career politicians, who have four to eight years to pump the system for all its worth and live a comfortable life when everything goes to shit because of their short-sightedness. But the short sightedness is built into the system. It was not that way when senators where not elected, but that was a long time back.
venompangx 2 years ago
One could argue that the problems exist because the government has the power to interfere in certain areas that it didn't in the last 100 years, and that is what contributes to this system of short-sightedness.
I guess I'm just trying to criticize the characterization of the debate from a neutral perspective. I have my own take on the situation, and a quick glance at my friends list/subscriptions would betray that in an instant. However, this oversimplification of issues needs to stop.
Virgil0211 2 years ago
One could argue that the problems exist because the government has the power to interfere in certain areas that it didn't in the last 100 years.
And that would be a fine argument to make indeed. Why not restrict the government to the enumerated powers in the constitution and let people manage their own affairs.
venompangx 2 years ago
Except... that the problems exist because of too ~little~ government. Our house market crashed because of deregulation. Our stock market crashed due to deregulation. Wall Street practically stole their bail out money due to a lack of regulation. The health care industry is a disaster due to a lack of regulation. Free markets don't work when they favor the corporation and not the consumer because then their greed destroys and corrupts every resource they exploit.
Deioth 2 years ago 5
Boy have you drunk the koolaid. Free market favors the consumer. What you have in America is corporatism. That is where corporate powers get together and lobby to have laws passed in their favor and then ordinary consumers like you and me for a ride. There are regulations all right. The kind that allows them to rip you off. So when you ask them for for more regulation, you are just opening more ways for them to rip you. I am sure you do not mind. You have bought into their bullshit.
venompangx 2 years ago
straight up man free market for the win the gov and its regulttion severve only to impower the gov and the coperations that back them
hereticjoeyjoey 2 years ago
WTF are you talking about? Most of that "regulation" was DE-regulation. I've known for a good few years now that America is turning from a capitalist society to a corporate society and that's the issue. We need our government to take back control to place the favor back into the consumers' side. The Wall Street fiasco, the housing market crash, good banks failing in favor of bad bank bailouts, this health care debacle, ALL corporate DE-regulation.
Deioth 2 years ago
Yes, that is the way to go, instead of letting government control your life through corporations they favor and bail out with tax money, just let them run your lives directly, like they did in the Soviet Union. Things will be a-ok then.
venompangx 2 years ago
Viewing the world in only two colors makes for a pretty harsh, lonely world, bub. You just hopped from one extreme to the other.
Are you debating or just trolling?
Deioth 2 years ago
Well there is no middle way between truth and untruth. So that is the way it is going to be. Whether I am debating or trolling is up to you to decide.
venompangx 2 years ago
I'm sorry, but wtf?! Since when did universal healthcare become equivalent to totalitarianism?
So, how much do you think your life is worth?
I would imagine insurance companies have a somewhat diminished valuation.
ThetaOmega 2 years ago
SInce everyone got forced to contribute to it whether they want to or not. The worth of a life is decided by the person who it belongs to. But you have asked the wrong question by asking me how much I think it is worth. The measure of worth is subjective. There is no scale for it.
venompangx 2 years ago
One could also argue that black is white, but it still wouldn't be true.
amckinley03 2 years ago
But people will believe it. I see it happen especially these days.
Bush said War is Peace. Go Iraq we did.
Obama said Freedom is slavery. And people are eagerly awaiting to sign away their health.
Soon someone is going to convince you ignorance is strength. And you will let them regulate the internet.
venompangx 2 years ago
How's about the fact that FOX 'news' is doing its best to stir up uninformed condemnation of the Net Neutrality proposal? (Which would stop internet providers from, say, blocking / prioitising their customers' access to different sites.)
Rhamni88 2 years ago
Im glad that you actually read books (1984), based on your name i would initially think otherwise. But do tell, how exactly would we be "signing away our health" if we did in fact initiate a public option health care plan? By giving those who need care based on their illness, and not how well their insurance will pay.
alesko99 2 years ago
Well, if health is what the government provides you then they control your life. In fact you have signed your life on to their hands. You must abide by their rules to stay healthy or you die. In case of private firms, you can choose from many or opt out and they can't fine you or arrest you for doing that.
venompangx 2 years ago
Please give an example where the gov't does this supposed action. If you don't give a valid example, then proceed to find a dunce cap and put it on top of your head.
alesko99 2 years ago
What do you think happens in England to people who refuse to pay for the NHS upkeep. Do you think it is ok if they opted to stay out of NHS hospitals?
venompangx 2 years ago
It's impossible to opt out of paying for the NHS in Britain (as it should be), the money is automatically taken out of pay alongside our income tax as something called a "National Insurance" contribution. This contribution goes up as you earn more making it fair, if you earn nothing then you pay nothing!
People can go to a private hospital but they still National Insurance.
Fedaykin24 2 years ago
It is not fair, especially if you have to pay more if you earn more. And pay nothing if you earn nothing. It discourages both poor people and rich from living healthy lives. Poor people tend not to because they will be paid for with money stolen from rich people. Rich people tend not to because living healthy means not getting their money's worth from the system that they are forced to contribute to. The system will only spread unhealthy habits, does not matter whether people like it or not.
venompangx 2 years ago
In what sense is it unfair if I earn more that I pay more?!
The main reason the poor are unhealthy is lack of WORK leading to a cheaper less healthy diet not if they pay or not pay National Insurance!
On the other hand you will find the more wealthy WORKING people in society are FAR more healthy regardless of National Insurance due to the access to better food! Our system leads to a healthier nation with a lower overall mortality rate then America!
Fedaykin24 2 years ago
The poor are unhealthy because they lack work ethic? That's bull and you know it is. I've seen a working man sweat and work hard all day every day but can't afford health insurance for his family and daughter.
And you tell him to work HARDER? You know not what you say.
Xirbtt 2 years ago
I'm not talking about work ethic! I'm talking about ACCESS to work and the then IMPROVEMENT IN DIET leading to healthier people.
I have also seen working men sweat and work hard then get health care via the NHS!
If you have seen people work all day and not afford health insurance I presume you are American! If they were British they would have automatic access to health care via the NHS!
I think you make my point that Britain has a FAR BETTER system for the poor!
Fedaykin24 2 years ago
There is no direct co-relation between wealth and health. And not all things that keep us healthy costs too much. So what you say do not make sense. And mortality is not an indicator of a health care system's achievements. Sick people use the system to live as long as healthy ones. Without a pricing system operating, there is no means to discover cheap and effective ways of keeping oneself healthy. That is the problem.
venompangx 2 years ago
Of course there is a Co-relation between wealth and health! People who are poorer whatever country you are in tend to be less healthy "PERIOD"!
Frankly YOU make no sense!
The UK hasn't got a perfect system but proportional taxation funding a National Health Service is what we chose 60 years ago! We now have a lower mortality rate then America and more people have access to decent health care!
Fedaykin24 2 years ago 2
You are being intellectually lazy. Once people can meet their basic needs like food, housing and clothing, there is no direct co-relation between health and wealth. It is largely a product of birth circumstances and life choices.
venompangx 2 years ago