@Archangel866 It's only invalid if you are Roman Catholic. And if you are Roman Catholic you are not allowed to receive in an Anglican Church - so it doesn't matter what you think.
@foodie65 --What I mean is its not the Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity of Jesus Christ because the Anglican Church did not preserve holy orders properly, like the Eastern "Orthodox" in fact did.
@Archangel866 I am aware of Pope Leo's Bull about Anglican orders, but what most Roman Catholics fail to realise is that the changes made to the ordination rite in the Church of England - that alledgedly made the Anglican orders defective (between 1549 and 1662) - only reverted it back to a rite that had been used previously in the Catholic Church prior to the 12th Century. That's why most independent theologians consider the Bull to be dubious: but if you are Catholic it is infallible. Pax
@toronjo40 No Anglican priest can be ordained without the laying on of hands from the Bishop. During the allegedly defective rite (1550-1662) the Bishops said "Take thou authority to the word of God, and to minister the holy Sacraments" This was the form used in Catholic Church until the 11th Century.
The corresponding form for Bishops was "Take, the Holy Ghost and remember that thou stir up the grace of God which is in thee by imposition of hands." This was conferred by the Archbisop.
@Archangel866 You are aware, of course, that the Eastern Orthodox does not regard the holy orders of the Roman Catholic church as valid either because the RC, according to the Orthodox, "did not preserve holy orders properly". On the other hand, some provinces of the Orthodox DO recognize Anglican orders.
indylawo6 , Give me a break. Don't play the bigot card, it's old and worn out. The Episcopal Church is dead. Just stick a fork in it! It's done and only "robots" attend!
@indylaw06 Hate gays??? Christ calls us to TURN from our sins. Active homosexuality is CLEARLY a sin biblically! Anglican, Orthodox and Catholics DONT HATE HOMOSEXUALS. They FOLLOW CHRIST and ask them to TURN FROM THEIR SIN while the Episcopal Church has chosen to "embrace" the sin.
The Anglican Church was founded by Henry 8th who was a murderous and blood thirsty monarch. Married 6 times, stole vast amounts from the True Church, murdered countless holy priests and leads a cohort of people from Truth to error. So Anglicans love the sect that was born of arrogance, egotism, pride, lust and vanity? The devil knows his own. The Protestant blight has spawned multiple offshoots. Catholic Church founded by Christ on Peter as PROMISED in bible. Catholic’s alone remain faithful.
Pope Leo XIII declared that the Anglican church has no priesthood because they have lost apostolic succession. That is why Anglican 'priests' are ordained when they enter the Catholic Church founded by Jesus Christ. Anglicans have no real eucharist, only theatre, although their intentions are obviously pious. Return to the Barque of St Peter, the Ark of Salvation.
@ASignOfContradiction You are correct about how the priesthood is regarded by the Catholic church. However, eventhough that means the Eucharist is not valid the Catholic church does not refer to it as only theatre without any value. So sayeth the Catholic church. And I agree with you in that the visible unity of the Church of Christ can only be realized trough communion with the bishop of Rome, his Holiness the Pope.
@karpov89 Read Mortalium Animos by Pope Pius XI says " Let them hear Lactantius crying out: "The Catholic Church is alone in keeping the true worship. This is the fount of truth, this the house of Faith, this the temple of God: if any man enter not here, or if any man go forth from it, he is a stranger to the hope of life and salvation". So if the Catholic Church is ALONE in keeping the TRUE WORSHIP, I feel safe to refer to men in robes acting as priests as a 'theartre'. No offence, just truth.
@ASignOfContradiction Well you do not express it as the present and former Pope. What the Catholic says is that the Church of Christ subsists in the Catholic church, the full truth subsists there.
@karpov89 The Traditions of the Church on this matter are crystal clear: the Catholic Church is the ONE, HOLY, CATHOLIC AND APOSTOLIC. The term 'subsists' is misleading and ambiguous and that has been admitted by the current pope. The Catholic Chuch ALONE posesses all the Truth. To hold any other opinion is to step into relativism and indifferentism, positions condemned by numerous encyclicals and popes, especially Pope Pius X, XI, XII. All other 'churches' are deviations and satan-inspired.
@ASignOfContradiction Well you are incorrect about the position of the Holy Father and the Catholic Church. It is not misleading and ambiguous. I follow Benedict XVI and so should also you.
@karpov89 The pope has needed to clarify this term 'subsists' on many occasions because it was ambiguous and poorly understood. Read the writings of previous PRE VATICAN 2 popes about the requirement to belong to the Catholic Church and the writings on false Ecumenism. Pius XI in Mortalium Animos calls non Catholic Christians 'false' christians. Read Mortalium Animos and then read some of the contradictory statements in SOME of the V2 documents. Our Church Traditions are older than 40 years.
@ASignOfContradiction Well you are simply wrong. It seems to me that you do not accept Vaticanum 2 in it's full content. A true Catholic listens to the Church and obey it's teachings, that is to accept Vaticanum 2.
@karpov89 Read Mortalium Animos from Pius XI (1928) : "it is clear that the Apostolic See cannot on any terms take part in their assemblies, nor is it anyway lawful for Catholics either to support or to work for such enterprises; for if they do so they will be giving countenance to a false Christianity, quite alien to the one Church of Christ. Shall We suffer, what would indeed be iniquitous, the truth, and a truth divinely revealed, to be made a subject for compromise?" Reconcile this with V2
@ASignOfContradiction Study the requirements of infallibility AND obedience to a pope. Throughout history popes have been challenged by saints for their mistakes. This was especially true of St Catherine of Sienna and St Athanasius. Athanasius was even exiled for challenging the stance of Rome. There have been numerous antipopes in history on the throne of Peter. About 42 to be precise. I am not saying this applies today, but blind obedience is dangerous. Tradition exists for a reason : read it.
@karpov89 People follow patterns. I guess you have always stuck your head in the sand. Fear stops many people doing things. You havent a clue about what the church teaches. Your entire deposit of faith is 50 years old. Congrats.
@treeloop98 If you're Anglican, then you are either Anglican or your can cease to be Anglican and become part of Rome. You can't have it both ways as some folks have perceived the Pope as saying this. You can't keep true Anglican docrine and be Roman Catholic. Impossible.
@brughser1969 The church allows a lot of wiggle room for doctrinal issues. When I said they I didn't mean the whole Anglican Church but rather most of the communion.
Terrible Eucharistic Prayer. I'm against the ACNA anyway. Too Protestant/Evangelical for me. I prefer the Anglican Church in America or the Anglican Catholic Church.
@ceredigio This is one branch of the Episcopal church. There are others, such as the Anglican Church of North America, who thankfully have not fallen into sin and approve Sexually Immorals in ministry or bless their unions!
@MenechemShaul Actually you are wrong this is not a branch of the Episcopal Church. This is a Eucharistic service from the Anglican Church of North America... They were ordaining a Bishop for a new diocese
what are the names of the toons of the himns at 1:41 at 4:29 at 7:01 and at 7:45
thanks
PS I play the pipe organ myself. So if I can just know the name of the toons please.
agneusdei 1 week ago
The anglican Eucharist is not valid.
Archangel866 2 months ago
@Archangel866 Your statement is not valid.
yardgoods 2 months ago
@Archangel866 It's only invalid if you are Roman Catholic. And if you are Roman Catholic you are not allowed to receive in an Anglican Church - so it doesn't matter what you think.
foodie65 2 months ago
@foodie65 --What I mean is its not the Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity of Jesus Christ because the Anglican Church did not preserve holy orders properly, like the Eastern "Orthodox" in fact did.
Archangel866 2 months ago
@Archangel866 I am aware of Pope Leo's Bull about Anglican orders, but what most Roman Catholics fail to realise is that the changes made to the ordination rite in the Church of England - that alledgedly made the Anglican orders defective (between 1549 and 1662) - only reverted it back to a rite that had been used previously in the Catholic Church prior to the 12th Century. That's why most independent theologians consider the Bull to be dubious: but if you are Catholic it is infallible. Pax
foodie65 2 months ago
@foodie65 It is not the rite which make valid the Ordination...but the leying of the hands...
toronjo40 1 month ago
@toronjo40 No Anglican priest can be ordained without the laying on of hands from the Bishop. During the allegedly defective rite (1550-1662) the Bishops said "Take thou authority to the word of God, and to minister the holy Sacraments" This was the form used in Catholic Church until the 11th Century.
The corresponding form for Bishops was "Take, the Holy Ghost and remember that thou stir up the grace of God which is in thee by imposition of hands." This was conferred by the Archbisop.
foodie65 1 month ago
@Archangel866 You are aware, of course, that the Eastern Orthodox does not regard the holy orders of the Roman Catholic church as valid either because the RC, according to the Orthodox, "did not preserve holy orders properly". On the other hand, some provinces of the Orthodox DO recognize Anglican orders.
authorion 3 weeks ago
indylawo6 , Give me a break. Don't play the bigot card, it's old and worn out. The Episcopal Church is dead. Just stick a fork in it! It's done and only "robots" attend!
jacobsen976 2 months ago
Anglican Church in North America - the Episcopal Church for people that still really hate gays.
Not bad for a bunch of schismatic bigots.
indylaw06 4 months ago
@indylaw06 Hate gays??? Christ calls us to TURN from our sins. Active homosexuality is CLEARLY a sin biblically! Anglican, Orthodox and Catholics DONT HATE HOMOSEXUALS. They FOLLOW CHRIST and ask them to TURN FROM THEIR SIN while the Episcopal Church has chosen to "embrace" the sin.
MarkCox73 2 months ago
The Anglican Church was founded by Henry 8th who was a murderous and blood thirsty monarch. Married 6 times, stole vast amounts from the True Church, murdered countless holy priests and leads a cohort of people from Truth to error. So Anglicans love the sect that was born of arrogance, egotism, pride, lust and vanity? The devil knows his own. The Protestant blight has spawned multiple offshoots. Catholic Church founded by Christ on Peter as PROMISED in bible. Catholic’s alone remain faithful.
ASignOfContradiction 4 months ago
Is it a female priest or deacon to the right of the bishop?
karpov89 4 months ago
Pope Leo XIII declared that the Anglican church has no priesthood because they have lost apostolic succession. That is why Anglican 'priests' are ordained when they enter the Catholic Church founded by Jesus Christ. Anglicans have no real eucharist, only theatre, although their intentions are obviously pious. Return to the Barque of St Peter, the Ark of Salvation.
ASignOfContradiction 4 months ago
@ASignOfContradiction You are correct about how the priesthood is regarded by the Catholic church. However, eventhough that means the Eucharist is not valid the Catholic church does not refer to it as only theatre without any value. So sayeth the Catholic church. And I agree with you in that the visible unity of the Church of Christ can only be realized trough communion with the bishop of Rome, his Holiness the Pope.
karpov89 4 months ago
@karpov89 Read Mortalium Animos by Pope Pius XI says " Let them hear Lactantius crying out: "The Catholic Church is alone in keeping the true worship. This is the fount of truth, this the house of Faith, this the temple of God: if any man enter not here, or if any man go forth from it, he is a stranger to the hope of life and salvation". So if the Catholic Church is ALONE in keeping the TRUE WORSHIP, I feel safe to refer to men in robes acting as priests as a 'theartre'. No offence, just truth.
ASignOfContradiction 4 months ago
@ASignOfContradiction Well you do not express it as the present and former Pope. What the Catholic says is that the Church of Christ subsists in the Catholic church, the full truth subsists there.
karpov89 4 months ago
@karpov89 The Traditions of the Church on this matter are crystal clear: the Catholic Church is the ONE, HOLY, CATHOLIC AND APOSTOLIC. The term 'subsists' is misleading and ambiguous and that has been admitted by the current pope. The Catholic Chuch ALONE posesses all the Truth. To hold any other opinion is to step into relativism and indifferentism, positions condemned by numerous encyclicals and popes, especially Pope Pius X, XI, XII. All other 'churches' are deviations and satan-inspired.
ASignOfContradiction 4 months ago
@ASignOfContradiction Well you are incorrect about the position of the Holy Father and the Catholic Church. It is not misleading and ambiguous. I follow Benedict XVI and so should also you.
karpov89 4 months ago
@karpov89 The pope has needed to clarify this term 'subsists' on many occasions because it was ambiguous and poorly understood. Read the writings of previous PRE VATICAN 2 popes about the requirement to belong to the Catholic Church and the writings on false Ecumenism. Pius XI in Mortalium Animos calls non Catholic Christians 'false' christians. Read Mortalium Animos and then read some of the contradictory statements in SOME of the V2 documents. Our Church Traditions are older than 40 years.
ASignOfContradiction 4 months ago
@ASignOfContradiction Well you are simply wrong. It seems to me that you do not accept Vaticanum 2 in it's full content. A true Catholic listens to the Church and obey it's teachings, that is to accept Vaticanum 2.
karpov89 4 months ago
@karpov89 Read Mortalium Animos from Pius XI (1928) : "it is clear that the Apostolic See cannot on any terms take part in their assemblies, nor is it anyway lawful for Catholics either to support or to work for such enterprises; for if they do so they will be giving countenance to a false Christianity, quite alien to the one Church of Christ. Shall We suffer, what would indeed be iniquitous, the truth, and a truth divinely revealed, to be made a subject for compromise?" Reconcile this with V2
ASignOfContradiction 4 months ago
@ASignOfContradiction Study the requirements of infallibility AND obedience to a pope. Throughout history popes have been challenged by saints for their mistakes. This was especially true of St Catherine of Sienna and St Athanasius. Athanasius was even exiled for challenging the stance of Rome. There have been numerous antipopes in history on the throne of Peter. About 42 to be precise. I am not saying this applies today, but blind obedience is dangerous. Tradition exists for a reason : read it.
ASignOfContradiction 4 months ago
@ASignOfContradiction No reason to read as I follow what the Catholic church says.
karpov89 4 months ago
@karpov89 People follow patterns. I guess you have always stuck your head in the sand. Fear stops many people doing things. You havent a clue about what the church teaches. Your entire deposit of faith is 50 years old. Congrats.
ASignOfContradiction 4 months ago
@ASignOfContradiction That is an abject lie propagated by an ever evolving machine of lies and deceit.
brughser1969 4 months ago
@brughser1969 Thanks for you're...er....random comment. Its certainly enhanced the conversation??? Do your parents know your touching the computer?
ASignOfContradiction 4 months ago
@ASignOfContradiction You're very welcome and no they don't know that I'm touching the computer, but God does:)
brughser1969 4 months ago
I hope they come to communion with Rome
treeloop98 6 months ago
@treeloop98 WE will not.
brughser1969 4 months ago
@brughser1969 Well if you say so..don't know if you represent the whole denomination to say that though.
treeloop98 4 months ago
@treeloop98 If you're Anglican, then you are either Anglican or your can cease to be Anglican and become part of Rome. You can't have it both ways as some folks have perceived the Pope as saying this. You can't keep true Anglican docrine and be Roman Catholic. Impossible.
brughser1969 4 months ago
@brughser1969 The church allows a lot of wiggle room for doctrinal issues. When I said they I didn't mean the whole Anglican Church but rather most of the communion.
treeloop98 4 months ago
Its so catholic and therefore so beautiful.No wonder so many are trying to reconnect with the Pope
umaara100 7 months ago
This is what i see every weekend at the catholic church.They sing Holy Holy like i did 22 years ago at Saint Josephs in Tuskegee ,Ala
umaara100 7 months ago
When are you going to plant some churches in New York?
BSAADC10 8 months ago
Which diocese was this?
ceredigio 8 months ago
Terrible Eucharistic Prayer. I'm against the ACNA anyway. Too Protestant/Evangelical for me. I prefer the Anglican Church in America or the Anglican Catholic Church.
Boeing737Sucks 1 year ago
Missa inválida e com mulher "consagrando". Se convertam anglicanos para a verdadeira Igreja, Católica Apostólica e Romana!
Garotoadolescente 1 year ago
what church was this Eucharist celebrated in? (I know the Anglican Church) I mean their own? Shared??
bt804d 1 year ago
@bt804d This is a Eucharist of the Episcopal Church, which is the Anglican Church in the USA. I do not know where it was filmed though.
ceredigio 1 year ago
@ceredigio This is one branch of the Episcopal church. There are others, such as the Anglican Church of North America, who thankfully have not fallen into sin and approve Sexually Immorals in ministry or bless their unions!
MenechemShaul 1 year ago
@MenechemShaul Actually you are wrong this is not a branch of the Episcopal Church. This is a Eucharistic service from the Anglican Church of North America... They were ordaining a Bishop for a new diocese
tom27jr 1 year ago