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  • la traduzione del testo che riporti è MOLTO bella...ma, senza offesa, ritengo che quella di Wikipedia sia più corretta...

  • Bellissima .

  • brought tears to my eyes.

  • Tiocfaidh 'Ar La'

  • heard this at the beginning of a dropkick murphys concert. i really couldnt tell what the lyrics were since the people were chanting "Dropkick Murphys!" now im glad tht i found this beautiful song. Erin Go Bragh fellow Irishmen and even non-Irish people who listen to this.

  • @JKLMulligan73 Same here!!

  • Hauntingly beautiful. I envision Sinead,, like Lady Godiva, riding a magnificent steed into Dublin along the banks of the Liffy's in its early morning fog, watching the boyos of the Easter Rising pass by---and they no doubt intensely watching her. No wonder the Brits prevailed at the General Post Office. The poor Irish were bewitched and thoroughly distracted by the vision.

  • Chieftains and Sinead. Pretty amazing combo.

  • intro to drop kick murphys

  • I just love this song....look this version in Serbian way...by Ortodox Celts...

  • @JohnnyBgood977 Heard it.It's a good version.

  • Italy loves Irish people and Ireland....A neverending shame on the English!

  • @madamaphilippa so they say... the English didnt choose but the government did, and times have past, and those who fought the Irish, the British not just English have gone, now why blame the future generation?..

  • @95jjs Yes it is true. We cannot blame the future generation. But did they apologise with Irish for what they've done? Do they teach at school the true history of their magnificent Empire? Don't think so.....In Italy they teach us at school what a shame for us was having Mussolini and fascism. It's a piece of our history we must remember to let never it happen again. It hurts us but we must know how it was, who we were in those years.

  • @madamaphilippa They teach you the negativism of Mussolini. But still, actions do more than words.

    Always lost, always gained. Have you ever apologised to us for your crimes during the war?

    Just turning your words around,

    (all big empires are the same= arrogant occupators)

    cheers,

    jon

  • @madamaphilippa too true. The Germans are forced into a guilt complex over the Nazis, yet what for Britain and its allies? America held isolationist policy to sell arms to both sides in WWII and profited from killing and death in the war, and the Soviets, well they killed more of their own people than Hitler did through his persecution of Jews and other minorities. And the British right wing these days complain about foreigners "invading" the country - karma for the empire invading theirs.

  • @conectmaster the British must get out of Ireland as you said. Why are all sorts of nations accused of human rights violations but those of the British against the Irish are just ignored? Why are the British still occupying a sovereign nation? Why aren't they called to account for centuries of crimes against humanity at the International Court in The Hague?? Why are there statues of the mass murderer Cromwell in Britain?

  • @conectmaster Believe me with all your heart. The IRA support is alive and vibrant in the States. Never Quit!

  • an amazing sound. wow. just gorgeous.

  • this song brins tears to my eyes it is just touching...

  • eire go brach

  • W la svedese!

  • Erin Go Bragh!

  • @odonnell1218 Tiocfaidh ar la!

  • No music conveys a story better than Irish, and this haunting melody is a great example. I swear I can see the young men of Ireland marching off to war every time I hear this song.

  • Iove this song and in all my life I have never heard anyone sing it better

  • God Bless The Irish Brothers And Sister we Have !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • You're right-- there is no explicit Egyptian record of Jewish slavery, but there are several archaeological evidence and inscription that could refer to that.

    But I would like to restate what I said earlier, that " I am proud of being Jewish and having a tradition that survived all that hate, as much as I am grateful the Irish fought and survived centuries of hate to bring us this beautiful music."

    That was the point of my post-- from one surviving culture to another.

  • Seven of Britainia's huns have been here!!

  • well said kimmy

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  • Hail the Mighty Dead! I raise my horn to you...

  • I am proud to have Celtic blood flowing through my veins. This song brought me to tears, so profoundly beautiful.

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  • respect from croatia because we had our message from england when they did not let us pass by through bleiburg in 1945 and cause the cross path that was locating from border of austria to south macedonia, many people died and no one get punished for that.

  • this is good enough 2 almost make up for giving away blood pipes.....................almo­st :}

    god bless the irish

  • LONG LIVE THE IRISH!!!

  • @S7UP1D17Y thank you I am irish i love you for your support of us

  • Stupenda la traduzione. Chi l'ha fatta è un poeta, veramente bella!

  • @Deragor86 ti ringrazio

  • Well Hello Sinead darlin. F'n Brll. Have a song or two that might suit you (I wish) please check out a few of my tunes and see what you think, if you get a chance or are just a bit bored some evening. Maybe a song called, If You Dont know By Now. Cheers Sweet Lady and all the very very best X By the way this is the first note I ever sent

  • Well Hello Sinead darlin. F'n Brll. Have a song or two that might suit you (I wish) please check out a few of my tunes and see what you think, if you get a chance or are just a bit bored some evening. Maybe a song called, If You Dont know By Now. Cheers Sweet Lady and all the very very best X

  • No one has a voice like Sinead.

  • salut; from Ross and Stuart (Stewart)

    thanks

  • salut

  • fuck the british

  • Wow... just beautifull... damn, what can i say, absolutelly brilliant! I gonna cry D:

  • A fitting song to the heroes of Ireland

  • I'm Polish living in Dublin. I really love Irish culture and this island. No matter, you are from north or south. You are all one. I really like you.

    ALL THE BEST IRELAND!

  • fuck me, this is beautiful...I can only say I'm irish by ancestry(scotch/irish)...I need to learn more about my ancestors

  • @metalheaddrummer101 you might not like the history lad about your ancestry

  • @liamstyper

    almost everyone comes from William the Norman

    what are the odds to not like your history?

    the only history i would hate would be being named "smith" or "baker"

    you just instantly know your entire family was lowly peasants

    long live the Comyns!

  • @ABOM420 Fuck Off.... ;-)

  • @ABOM420 your a nob. i bet you ride your sister

  • "mentre i barbari inglesi con i loro fucili" I don't know your language, but I think this is a message most of us understand.

  • fab performance, in my mind Sinead has managed to personify the Irish spirit through her singing this song... 

  • Catholics know that the Angelus isn't done/ the Bell is't rung at Eastertide....the hun invaders on the other hand didn't notice anything amiss that Easter morning, while the Irish people noticed the call to revloution.

  • I love all of Sinead O'Connor's music, but this is by far her best. Touching. Just... amazing.

  • Im Irish i speak a little gaelic

  • what a beautiful tune. just for the record, I'm italian.

  • stirs the bit of Irish in me that I have

  • 47kimmy don't be an arse, the blacks and jews wine, are you completely thick. These songs are for all oppressed people, not for eejits to use against other oppressed people.

  • @samscafeamericain well said

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  • I love ireland, even though I have never been! :) It makes me proud that some of my ancestors were irish. <3 I like to believe thats where my red hair came from, even though I know not that many irish really have red hair. Ahhh... Ireland. :D

  • you don't have to be Irish to be moved by the music and the words.

    This could be ancient but very modern at the same time, this is the place to seek inspiration and power for future struggle.

    we all have a common enemy.

    With respect

    A Greek

  • im from argentina and i love this song, is so powerfull, is like an anthem to the freedom and the rebellion....

  • Also used at the tune to a popular hymn, "lord like the publican i stand"

    Obviously the irish version is older :D

  • @l33tpwnzord and "what shall we do with a drunken sailor"

  • and now it's time for the yorkshire vikings to spit on the dirty english....so lets raise the raven banner at the wappentake as we gather to go a-viking.

    Spears willl be shattered - shields sundered and swords broken. And we shall make of these bastard norman cousins a feast for the ravens

  • this music is to show 'all of us' to a perfect free world with out oppression

  • I'm sitting here with three abcesed teeth, waiting to have them pulled this afternoon. I'm not at all certain that there isn't more pain in Sinead's voice and the words of this song.

  • Fantastic! This music really touch my heart, even if I´m not irish, I´m swedish!

  • @mattttera

    This music is for every person that loves the idea of freedom comrade.

    Sweden is a beautiful country.

  • @mattttera Sant!

  • @mattttera Heck. I'm from New Zealand but have lived in Thailand most my life and I could say the same as you. Apart from being swedish that is...

  • @mattttera It is your Aryan racial soul! ;)

  • eiran gobrahg

  • This is Sinead at her incomparable best. The Chieftain's accompaniment is great, deferring to Sinaid's melodious voice so that not a word is impaired. Oh how I'd love to hear them together do Fields of Anthenry and Mary from Dongloe.

  • Good GOD this is a powerful song. She has the most amazing voice, and the Chieftains were exceptionally good, even by their standards...

    It's a shame they didn't collaborate more

  • Eire Go Bragh

  • The Blacks and the Jews wine relentlessly about their treatment, be it the holocaust or slavery ... The English enslaved, torchered, murdered, and displaced my people by the MILLIONS !!! Yet our brave men fought for the very ones that brutalized, and enslaved them to insure freedom for ALL !!! I have no hate for them ... No one owes me anything other than respect ... As I owe the same to them. I am very proud to be an Irishman and will remember the fallen with great pride!

  • @47Kimmy If your lucky enough to be Irish your lucky enough.

    The Celts will be here when the sun falls down. So said our last druids.

  • @HulkSmashPunyHumans Its never tough being green my friend :p

    The Sun may not have set on Englands empire, but it was an Irishman that witness each new days dawn.

  • @47Kimmy uhhh... ok.

    are contradictions your fictions in your scriptions?

    It's "never tough being green"

    Well how about when blood red

    covers the bed?

    The Sun and the empire of the saxons will expire. The saxons already retire... but The Sun...

    AYE the Sun.

    Our original God. The bright burning force of all life. The scorching energy that gives us the power to think and talk and do.

    Even she will die...

    and the druids of old promised to witness it. believe it or dont.

  • @HulkSmashPunyHumans lol the its never tough to be green was just a little spin on Jim Hensons, Kermit the frogs song "it ain't easy being green." Yeppers my giant green friend there has been some tough goes for our people, but or people are tough goers ;) and yep I believe they will :)

  • @47Kimmy and proud you should be. For the Irish have withstood every assault and stood back up again. If pride and motivation of the act of being proudly defiant means anything at all then truly us Irish are invincible. For we have weathered storms impossible. ANd still the Irish survive.

  • @47Kimmy your from canada.

  • @02476 Yep

  • @47Kimmy Agreed, I am extremely proud of my Irish heritage, and I always will be!

  • @47Kimmy the jews and blacks were also killed by the millions..

    Irish clans enslaved torcherd murded each other during a longer period then the english..

  • @Uuuurk The africans maybe ... my friend the numbers there like the irish will never be truly known.The numbers for the Jews in the holocaust seem to grow every year.They always seem to forget to mention Blacks, Oriental, Indian, Gypsy, and many other races and religions were murdered too. My point here being GET FUCKING OVER IT !!! What more can be done for you !!! Move on and be proud!!! And in the case of the Jews at this point I have to ask what ya tryin to sell me or hide from me with this?

  • @47Kimmy "numbers there like the irish will never be truly known." nor will the number of blacks killed, jews killed in the holocaust, spanish inquisition, in israel etc. but i agree on ur get over it argument..

  • @47Kimmy We Irish are a strong people, we don't need to wine. Hold your head up and throw your shoulders back and make our ancestors proud!!

  • @47Kimmy that's the road to racism lad,never compare black slaves that died by 'hundreds of' millions in america to irishmen

  • @girayhankaya why not? we fought with them. we died with them. In fact my direct ancestor was shoved a musket off the boat and told to fight for the North .

    AND somehow someway he was told along the way that it was fight against slavery.And He LIKE ME became willing to fight to the death if need be.

  • @HulkSmashPunyHumans cause black men is not even regarded humans in the era,they are not allowed to sit in the buses even before 1955 the american apartheid "partly" ended only 55 years. (partly cause they get killed by american police for nothing even now)

  • @HulkSmashPunyHumans i am not black,i am turkish (i think i must say this)

  • @girayhankaya yes I'm well aware of the history of the 20th century. My grandfather and father went to the civil rights protests.

    But anyway... congratualtions are being turkish! Historically speaking you turks were some badass motherfuckers!

  • @HulkSmashPunyHumans badass maybe,the european history is the history of turkic invasions as you know :) but accepting to be a motherfucker is a too bitter drink to swallow :)

    i dont blame any of you to be racists guys but

    "The Blacks and the Jews wine relentlessly about their treatment, be it the holocaust or slavery ... The English enslaved, torchered, murdered, and displaced my people by the MILLIONS "

    clauses are on the road to it in the first sight

    anyway i dont like sinead o connor :)

  • @girayhankaya ya don't like sinead o'connor?

    Well I don't like her either. Because I fucking LOVE her. She is a strong Celtic woman. and I as a Celt LOVE the reverbarations of her voice across the lesson of history.

    It would have to be beaten out of me to dislike Sinead O'connor and EVEN THEN it would be an exercise in futility for to march to the sweet voice of ancestors who marched with Boudicca herself is how this Celt rolls.

    So Turk why do ya listen to Sinead if ya don't like her?

  • @HulkSmashPunyHumans you know there is phenomenon called "internet surfing" i wanted to listen some versions of foggy dew

    yet this is the best for me:

    /watch?v=6swRmiOMyWc (which group was that? "new" wolfe tones? )

  • @girayhankaya yes i heard of this "internet surfing" you speak of. It has something to do with a bunch of fancy pants meeting up in Starbucks coffee and pretending to be sophisticated.

  • @HulkSmashPunyHumans i think you got the sentence wrong,

    it was not like:

    there is a surfing thing exists do you know?

    but like: there is a surfing thing as you know.

    ps:most turks cannot even pretend to be sophisticated :) turks have a lot to do with cultural issues

  • @girayhankaya All I know about surfing is that it really hurts to get smashed into the reef!

    Seriously coral is sharp and jagged. Getting a sick barrel at Pipeline beach is the ride of a lifetime but wiping out is potentially fatal! However the scars if you survive can get you laid from some of the finest strippers this side of Bangkok.

  • @HulkSmashPunyHumans this is not humour:) mister(?)

  • @girayhankaya No my friend it is not that path I travel at all. as far as I am concerned anyone including the Irish that feel they still need retribution or repaypayment for things that happened 200, 300, or 2000 years ago need to give their heads a shake and move forward!

  • @47Kimmy how are people supposed to "get over it" or "move forward" when they are still suffering

    from genocide & oppression?

  • @47Kimmy  good man or woman tla

  • @47Kimmy And the Irish slave trade ensured that scores of young Anglo-Saxons were abducted and sold into slavery in North Africa. No nation is all evil or all good.

  • @coralarch Ireland never had one slave ship.Go back to school!FKN MORON.

  • @billyhunchback You don't need ships to be involved in the slave trade, but it happens to be true. I'm of mostly Irish descent and I don't mind knowing unsavoury things about my ancestors. Ar you one of those fuckwits who buys the idea of "land of saints and scholars"? LOL- it was anything but.

  • @47Kimmy well said lad. cudnt of put it any better myself... T.A.L

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  • @47Kimmy and this has not a fucking thing to do with blacks or jews unless you are a fake prick merely trolling.

    leave the patriotism to the patriates. You stand with the old women and children.

  • @47Kimmy respect from Poland. We had the same....twice. Having russians on one side and germans on the other. We're as much stubborn as brave Irishmen;) Slainte! Erin Go Bragh!

  • @gadzi82 Thank you to all brave Poles for your support of us Irish. We've been oppressed by the English for at least one thousand years.

  • @sitithesecond +Scotland and Wales...

  • @47Kimmy

    Bravo... I could not have said it better myself.

    Danny Maguire

  • @47Kimmy I have great respect for the Irish and all their culture-- particularly their music, but the Jews have been enslaved and killed by Egyptians, Babylonians, Persians, Greeks, Romans, Spanish, Germans, Arabs, Iranians for over 3 millenia. I am proud of being Jewish and having a tradition that survived all that hate, as much as I am grateful the Irish fought and survived centuries of hate to bring us this beautiful music.

    Bottom line- no matter who what and where, discrimination=bad.

  • @IMSwimmer19 when ezactly were the jew enslaved by egyptians

  • @aaron234567890987643

    lol there's still ongoing debate whether the whole Exodus story is based on actual slavery, as tradition says, or whether "slavery" as an enflamation of the truth, as tradition often does. Whatever happened there, it wasn't good.

  • @IMSwimmer19 probably not. but i doubt wether jews were enslaved at all there. there is no record by the egyptians of it.

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  • @IMSwimmer19 I respect what you said and I get where you're coming from, but I fear you may not realize how old the Celtic nations are, the Celts fought with Alexander for gods sake. When Alexander asked them what they feared the most, expecting them to claim him, the Chieftains said "That the sky may fall down upon our heads"... They were forced to become fierce warriors, persecuted by most of those you list and more and for the same time span and are still subjugated to this day.  Cheers mate.

  • @47Kimmy I think I know what you mean, because I feel similarly...If we all just belly-ache about and dwell on the wrongs that were done to our various peoples, we just end up stuck in a rut instead of moving forward with lessons from the past to make the future better...

    My bloodline is East-Indian and four generations ago, they were transplanted in the Caribbean by the English and abused...but they dealt with it, moved on and grew stronger...

    I think that's why I like strength of this music

  • @47Kimmy That's the most clear minded thing I've ever read here on YouTube. I find few wise people in the world anymore. Well put. You have given me a new respect for people I previously never knew about. Thank you for a renewed sense of hope for the world as a whole.

  • @GodEmperorDano You're an Idiot

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  • this song always makes me cry

  • @csno1 So you do not like the music but had this on anyway? You need to learn your history. The origins of the Irish , the ways that were held for centuries upon centuries, and how long they held on and actually remained Irish/Ireland when so many countries have not been able to do so in the face of the culture wash that occurred. As for being around for long? Nothing is forever in the universe, absolutely nothing. And lastly , when you face and experience the same as others, then speak.

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  • Unlike many of you, I'm only have Irish. But I'm also half Apache. I think it's a good mix. It's in my blood to persevere and fight on. This song really speaks to me :)

  • @mudkipsie Irish/Chippawa

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  • @csno1 spot the hun

  • Ironically posted by someone who speaks italian...

  • I think this song has a universal appeal, its a fighting/resistance song. I'm secular Dutch, and never have lived under occupation, but somehow the song strucks a cord and the line 'Its better to die under an Irish skye than at Sufla or Sud-El Bar' always strangely makes me a bit emotional. Im not anti-Brit or pro-Irish, IMHO it transcents nationality and context and could apply to any situation of a national strugle against an unjust occupation, of bravery against overwhelming odds.

  • much love to everybody here from genoa,liguria

  • James "the shithead" aye I remember this battle well. AYE!

  • collins was from cork not kildare you talk ignorant shite you dont have to be english to be a tyrant every nation has its tyrants

  • my granduncle was Michael Collins' trusted man in Kildare. I want that fact on my gravestone Up the Rebels!

  • A question for Mr Dick Moore. You claim that your family fought the north in the war between the states and that your family always seems to be fighting against tyranny.

    Well, If your family fought for the south in the cival war, I am sure that there are millions of black people, white people, and all other races and colors of people that would assert that you fought ON the side of tyranny on that one, sir.

    Fighting Englands cruelty, I get it, both in the American Colonies and in Ireland.

  • @thronepotato The North's cause in the American Civil War had nothing to do with slavery until Lincoln issued the emancipation proclamation. Up until that point it had been all about preserving the Union. Many Northerners were in fact angry with the emancipation. Especially in the slave states that stayed loyal to the Union.

  • @thronepotato depends on how you veiw the war. to many that was a war over the rights of states to make their own laws. so if you are using the slave issue then it is

    unclear as northern states also had slaves ex kentucky where as if you look at the legal part then the north was stepping over its bound under the consitution.

  • @thronepotato

    Exactly what I was thinking. Regardless of the true motives of the war, whether it be for slavery or not, the majority of the North was against slavery. The true tyranny is in the South.

  • She had that type of "rebellious" voice and personality.. It suits this song perfectly. And yeah, it brings me to tears too.

  • Sinead, for all her bad press, at some point will be recognized as one of the best female voices we've ever heard. Long may she sing.

  • Thanks for this meaningful song. There are many exemples in history which witness the attempt from human beings to keep their dignity and identity, ready to sacrifice their lives not to give up their land, their right to say: this is my land and I will be free. Those soldiers at that moment felt that piece of land had no price...bloodshed, but victory in the end.

  • Only the Germans can help this misunderstood and out of time race of little green people

  • @statisquoful Can you clarify what you mean about the Germans helping the race of little green people...?

  • @baawuffwuff he means to sell us Celts on the idea of inferiority.

    He means to make us slaves to his "germans".

    Granted he would never say that to our face outloud but he will think it regardless.

    and he is defeated because in the end he does'nt have the courage of his own convictions as he will never NEVER NEVER say to an Irish man's face about germans helping a race of "little green people."

  • wonderful song about the unbreakable Irish spirit. 

  • Sinead, you are beautiful, and your voice even more so. Best of all you've been unafraid to speak your mind in the face of overwhelming disapproval from the Man. I have no doubt you'd have been among the brave lot at the Dublin General Post Office that foggy morn in the springing of the year 1916.

  • i agree 100%, my GF is a protestant, and im Catholic, and a nationlist, so is she, she and her family have no commitment towards the monarcy.

    the fact that most nothern protestants dont know is, they were mainly Scots, forced of their land, told to rent here, on taken land, and for the first few decades we got on, they were presperterian, not anglican, even the english hated the scots protetants, then manipulated them into turning against us, to stop a joint rising!

  • @arsenalylknw12010 They populated Ulster with wealthy Scottish protestants in hope that they would breed and eclipse the Catholics, thus giving England a strong control over Ireland. I'm English, but I'm half Irish, and I am often appalled at how we try to cover up the worst parts of the British empire. There are countless people in England who know next to nothing of Irish history, because the history of Ireland is the history of the evils of the British Empire.

  • @LardArseFreakShow i agree with you to a certain extent, but the first settlers were not wealthy scots, they were typically common settlers forced of their land, and given the option of renting in ulster for around one third of the price they would have to rent the land in scotland.

    one thing i do feel especially annoyed about, is the fact over 2 million irish were enslaved between 1602-mid 1700's, 500k were especially taken children, and all sent to the new world

  • @LardArseFreakShow and many of those enslaved , were often thrown over board in the sea, to lighten the load too. between 1602-99 the numbers of irish slaves far exceeded those numbers of african slaves.

    also in the "new world", irish were sold for around $5's, where as africans were sold for $50. the reason being the irish were seen as soldiers of the devil, as they could not be influenced to change their faith, where as the africans wernt seen as human and could be influenced easier.

  • She's brilliant!

  • I once had a friend who was Irish in Brussels. Besides the fact that he was one of the funniest, good-hearted people I have ever met, that guy told me he would never ever let anyone harm me. And if some guy was trying to make trouble, he would see it they wouldn't. I was almost mugged by 3 guys, and if he weren't there those guys wouldn't be in jail and I wouldn't still have my wallet. And this song reminds me of how much I appreciate their strong mentality. They really care for each other.

  • The 3rd verse has been left out....

    'Twas Britannia bade our Wild Geese go that small nations might be free

    But their lonely graves are by Sulva's waves or the shore of the Great North Sea

    Oh, had they died by Pearse's side or fought with Cathal Brugha

    Their names we will keep where the fenians sleep 'neath the shroud of the foggy dew

  • Populous media = support.

    God bless the victims of the I.R.A, and let His mercy be upon those who would suggest a difference between bloods.

    Peace in Northern Ireland, and no more violence porn for those terrorist funders from Glasgow, Liverpool, Manchester, London and the USA. Let the status quo abide, or take an even-handed approach to Israel.

  • @Estragones Why just the victims of the IRA? There were more than just the IRA victims. The British government's dirty war was played out on the streets of the 6 counties. They armed Loyalists, gave them information and actively encouraged them to murder Irish people. Who are the terrorists?

  • first version i heard of this years back of the album the long black veil.I've heard many since and none compares to this shes an amazing singer and woman in general.

  • Love her

  • Probably the best version of the song going... would love to see her perform it live!

  • brianakira . wordpress . com/2010/05/23/the-foggy-dew/

  • una traduzione un po' libera ma molto bella... l'hai fatta tu? bellissima canzone comunque!

  • Aaaaaanyway so back to 2010... a beautiful song, beautfully rendered. I can't get over how potent Sinéad's voice is. From a whisper to a scream, it's allllll good. :)

  • We will never forget the wonderful sacrifice you great men made to free future generations from them monsters across the water. Their great words still inspie us to fight for a 32 county nation.

  • if anyone knows:

    was this song or these types of Irish songs created after christian invasion or before?

  • This song is about the Easter Rebellion in 1916.

  • @yashil17 not many songs remain from that time but most were played by harp. and not many bands would play and sing them. if u want that u need to visit the old folks and ask them to play for u. so in answer to your question which should read before or after the anglo saxon settelment, because christianity sorta trickled in over several hundred years, it is after.