Does anyone know why Milstein makes these seemingly unnatural syncopations near the beginning? For example, the theme goes: B B B G E E... He accents the first E, at around 0:13. In fact, he uses an entire down bow for that single eighth note! wtf?
If he was just some random kid (instead of Milstein), I would dismiss that as bad playing. But he is Milstein after all. However, I can't pretend to "understand" the meaning of such "choppy" phrasing. He's obviously doing it deliberately, but WHY?
In answer to "who was the best" (where the writer made a list of fiddler's...), I suggest you go to Schwarz's book, "Great Masters of the Violin". There is a commonality, here, and Schwarz writes about it.....
Milstein, comes first over any other violinist. TO me Milstein was the best, i fantanstic man. His music to me is a inspiration to become like him, and play the violin as well as him
They were talking about the history of the LP record today. The first commercial 12"LP was released by Columbia in 1948, featuring Nathan Milstein performing this piece.
My mendel's all time favorite. Mmh, the audio quality is better than cellphone recordings, from the b&w era. I'd like more resonance, too. Other than that, they played it fantastically. Except they stopped at 4 minutes.
I knew Walter Hendl when towards the end of his life. So sad a man of his stature would die in almost utter obscurity. It's not just about Milstein. Hendl had the orchestra under control. Period.
@sijas Thats because people like me and Nathan milstein, with russain bow holds...um also Jascha Heifetz has one.. we dont use our wrist as much as you guys, and we seem to have a higher elbow position..and that is why Russain Bow holds are not taught by teachers, but my teacher doesnt have a problem with it.. it works for me great, and it makes me feel awesome having something in common with Mr.Milstein.
@sijas: He was very small... look at elman for example, he also uses very much arm movement. I like it! The sound is coming more from the body and doesnt't sound pressed. Milstein is my role model!
Fellow UTubers: Can u recommend other violinists on the level of Heifetz, Milstein, Issac Stern or Yitzchak Perlman? Trying to broaden my tastes - easy to get locked into favs.
His 1949 recordings on the old USA label Columbia are just superb of this concerto.
Quite sad that Western Classical Musicians are trained to be such critics and we have the prosaic"Who is better" concept as if we were speaking of football. It's detrimental to art.
Kindly always remember what Surgeons were taught in the 1930's, "Perfection is the enemy of
I could kill whoever shot this video..we hear some of Milstein's most beautiful portemento during this VC and I would have love to have seen it accomplished but what do you see during those times? NOT THE FINGERBOARD! Why can't they have camera people who know something about the violin and what would make great shots at the right moment?????
Listening to the acoustics of the studio in this vid I'm not surprised about to hear every mistake so clearly. These guys knew how to make music. Nowadays violinists are taught how to play a string instrument most perfectly. That's a big difference. Good music is not about intonation, it's about emotion and emotion has nothing to do with perfection. I wish I could hear and feel more stage fright in concerts nowadays instead of big sounding instruments and perfect intonation.
@kammermusiken I recently played (for Christmas night) a concert at the oldest church in Seattle........The Schubert Ave Maria with the Grand Organ accompanying.
A writer said about me........[t]hough his legs shook, he played with an aching beauty"....Nicest compliment i EVER had!!!!
What a stupid comment paulin79dk. Yes, he has a bit of trouble with the passage at :48-:50, but he is human. And as I have said in other posts, Milstein had stage fright-- having had to be literally kicked out onto the stage on certain occasions. The fact that he was still so magnificent is a testament to overcoming this very common malady.
I'm not sure there has ever been a violinist MORE prepared to play!
what the hell is wrong with you!!!??? he is milstein he is at least in one of the three best violinst of the golden era oistrakh milstein and heifetz in my opinion. your comments is just offensive adn only proves how little you know about music
I don't hear any intonation problems, but i don't have perfect pitch. Let me tell you something though, Milstein wouldn't have played out of tune for twenty seconds on purpose. He was better than that.
Agreed..Milstein did not become one of the top violinist in the world by having less than magnificent intonation. Most professional level violinists have excellent intonation because they MUST, it not a matter of simply hitting the correct key like on a piano or locating the right fret. I would trust Milstein's ear over posters on YouTube anyday...I know he makes MY ears happy! Milstein is the bomb!
Isn't "your" sentence missing a pronoun and a verb at the beginning? (The point is that before one calls attention to the speck of dust in another's eye, one ought to remove the speck in his own - don't you think?)
Actually, it's called informal English. If you haven't noticed, outside of news articles and other formal writing, most people use it on the internet since it is somewhat similar to normal dialogue. People don't generally, however, intentionally use 'your' and 'you're' interchangeably. I'm not calling you ignorant. I just noticed and saw the humor in the situation.
interesting fingering in the beginning..open E follow by fourth finger hmm...
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Does anyone know why Milstein makes these seemingly unnatural syncopations near the beginning? For example, the theme goes: B B B G E E... He accents the first E, at around 0:13. In fact, he uses an entire down bow for that single eighth note! wtf?
If he was just some random kid (instead of Milstein), I would dismiss that as bad playing. But he is Milstein after all. However, I can't pretend to "understand" the meaning of such "choppy" phrasing. He's obviously doing it deliberately, but WHY?
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davidhertzberg 10 months ago
A Master Violinist at work. Recommend the Deutsche Grammophon version with the Vienna Phillarmonic conducted by Claudio Abbado. Truly beautiful.
Pariah186 11 months ago
i learn this song this year
LordMeMo92 1 year ago
In answer to "who was the best" (where the writer made a list of fiddler's...), I suggest you go to Schwarz's book, "Great Masters of the Violin". There is a commonality, here, and Schwarz writes about it.....
outoftunefiddler 1 year ago
Milstein, comes first over any other violinist. TO me Milstein was the best, i fantanstic man. His music to me is a inspiration to become like him, and play the violin as well as him
ericgable 1 year ago
They were talking about the history of the LP record today. The first commercial 12"LP was released by Columbia in 1948, featuring Nathan Milstein performing this piece.
Hikikomori013 1 year ago
My mendel's all time favorite. Mmh, the audio quality is better than cellphone recordings, from the b&w era. I'd like more resonance, too. Other than that, they played it fantastically. Except they stopped at 4 minutes.
omgtkseth 1 year ago
Minha Lista São:
Jascha Heifetz
David Oistrakh
Leonid Kogan
Nathan Milstein
Itzhak Perlman
Maxim Vengerov
jeffersonfsoares 1 year ago
And what about Stern,Milstein, Francescatti, Zukerman,Vengerov, Accardo...they aren't in the same level to you mr.gibsonpaddy ?
By the way, this concerto,was the first I heard in my life when I were under 10...
It openned the way of the good music to me,,,was performed by Alfredo Campoli...
someone remember him ?
MrGunterguerrero 2 years ago
All good players but none are near the best. Mr Heifetz was the greatest he was a pupil of God
gibsonpaddy 1 year ago
Maybe you're right...maybe you' right ! At least whe have the same musical good taste !
MrGunterguerrero 1 year ago
@gibsonpaddy So then Leopold Auer is God?
Jctankk 1 year ago
My list is;
No1.Heifetz
No2.Menuhin
No3.Perlman
gibsonpaddy 2 years ago
and David Oistrakh?
Edoom21 2 years ago
I knew Walter Hendl when towards the end of his life. So sad a man of his stature would die in almost utter obscurity. It's not just about Milstein. Hendl had the orchestra under control. Period.
LaurieGreenSoprano 2 years ago
all these stupid .comments about who is better is so Juvenal
fredhainen 2 years ago 3
who du think is de best..??
gibsonpaddy 2 years ago
Like your spelling
gibsonpaddy 2 years ago
@fredhainen Yes But whose is bigger?
lpvcrcd 1 year ago
look at that bow hold.
100% arm movement.
makes me wonder if there is actually an "ideal" tchnique for violin or if it's different for everyone.
sijas 2 years ago 6
@sijas Thats because people like me and Nathan milstein, with russain bow holds...um also Jascha Heifetz has one.. we dont use our wrist as much as you guys, and we seem to have a higher elbow position..and that is why Russain Bow holds are not taught by teachers, but my teacher doesnt have a problem with it.. it works for me great, and it makes me feel awesome having something in common with Mr.Milstein.
ericgable 1 year ago
@sijas I've been thinking the same thing as well, I've been getting conflicting responses
ByronPhillipWilliams 1 year ago
@sijas: He was very small... look at elman for example, he also uses very much arm movement. I like it! The sound is coming more from the body and doesnt't sound pressed. Milstein is my role model!
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Fellow UTubers: Can u recommend other violinists on the level of Heifetz, Milstein, Issac Stern or Yitzchak Perlman? Trying to broaden my tastes - easy to get locked into favs.
Tx in advance.
intheknow7 2 years ago
Era un gran violinista.
Sitioespacio 2 years ago 2
Yes, with masters it's who you prefer on any given day
or emotional mood,However" the best ,the greatest"is still a disease taught young music students at most conservatories.
newyorkernut3 2 years ago
His 1949 recordings on the old USA label Columbia are just superb of this concerto.
Quite sad that Western Classical Musicians are trained to be such critics and we have the prosaic"Who is better" concept as if we were speaking of football. It's detrimental to art.
Kindly always remember what Surgeons were taught in the 1930's, "Perfection is the enemy of
the good". think about it!
.
newyorkernut3 2 years ago
at this level of mastery there is no "better" it's just who you like listening to more, whose interpretation you more enjoy
cdavistwo 2 years ago
I could kill whoever shot this video..we hear some of Milstein's most beautiful portemento during this VC and I would have love to have seen it accomplished but what do you see during those times? NOT THE FINGERBOARD! Why can't they have camera people who know something about the violin and what would make great shots at the right moment?????
OriginalMoonbeam 2 years ago
Listening to the acoustics of the studio in this vid I'm not surprised about to hear every mistake so clearly. These guys knew how to make music. Nowadays violinists are taught how to play a string instrument most perfectly. That's a big difference. Good music is not about intonation, it's about emotion and emotion has nothing to do with perfection. I wish I could hear and feel more stage fright in concerts nowadays instead of big sounding instruments and perfect intonation.
kammermusiken 2 years ago 2
@kammermusiken I recently played (for Christmas night) a concert at the oldest church in Seattle........The Schubert Ave Maria with the Grand Organ accompanying.
A writer said about me........[t]hough his legs shook, he played with an aching beauty"....Nicest compliment i EVER had!!!!
outoftunefiddler 1 year ago
The intonation is not really up to his usual standard; but hey, it's still great. Not my favourite rendition, though...
Lederzunge4 2 years ago
What a stupid comment paulin79dk. Yes, he has a bit of trouble with the passage at :48-:50, but he is human. And as I have said in other posts, Milstein had stage fright-- having had to be literally kicked out onto the stage on certain occasions. The fact that he was still so magnificent is a testament to overcoming this very common malady.
I'm not sure there has ever been a violinist MORE prepared to play!
ipmoic 2 years ago
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this is terrible... i guess he wasn't well enough prepared for this concert
paulin79dk 3 years ago
its the video smart one, if he wasn't prepared, he would not play. Professionals don't make too many mistakes.
tlcooper93 2 years ago
what the hell is wrong with you!!!??? he is milstein he is at least in one of the three best violinst of the golden era oistrakh milstein and heifetz in my opinion. your comments is just offensive adn only proves how little you know about music
bastianloewe 2 years ago
menuhin is better than milstein.
my list:
Stern, Heifitz, menuhin, oistrack, milstein
chrillionare88 2 years ago
he makes it sound fun I like this recording
HPPcello2 3 years ago
trés jolie musique nostalgique!
natacha94430 3 years ago
5* plus
crazy77town 3 years ago 3
Just fantastic! Thanks SO much for posting!
OriginalMoonbeam 3 years ago
sorry. unless it was on purpose*
JPizzle1490 3 years ago
I don't hear any intonation problems, but i don't have perfect pitch. Let me tell you something though, Milstein wouldn't have played out of tune for twenty seconds on purpose. He was better than that.
JPizzle1490 3 years ago 2
Agreed..Milstein did not become one of the top violinist in the world by having less than magnificent intonation. Most professional level violinists have excellent intonation because they MUST, it not a matter of simply hitting the correct key like on a piano or locating the right fret. I would trust Milstein's ear over posters on YouTube anyday...I know he makes MY ears happy! Milstein is the bomb!
OriginalMoonbeam 3 years ago 10
Are you saying that milstein did not had perfect intonation?
Doctor550 3 years ago
Please read the comment CAREFULLY. I said his intonation was MAGNIFICENT
OriginalMoonbeam 3 years ago 2
While it may not be my favorite interpretation, his sound is one of the best I've heard. He plays the Brahms the best though.
tlcooper93 3 years ago
Hi d0 you like Milstein?
He is one of the best in 20th Century.
His Mendelssphn is perfect, especially 1972 with Abado. Bach Chaconne, nobody plays better than he did.
Milstein7 3 years ago 3
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Milstein's interpretation of the piece is very blank and boring.
humbertsin1994 3 years ago
you are young and stupid...
Itachi1846 3 years ago 4
you're comment is hopelessly out of place. I pity you for your ignorance and encourage you to remedy you're lack of sophistication.
NestorAudinotviolins 3 years ago
Somewhat ironic that the criticism of someone's ignorance and the misspelling of 'your' occurred all in the same comment.
bmwoodson 3 years ago
"you're" absolutely right. I did indeed spell that word wrong. Thank you for bringing that to my attention.
NestorAudinotviolins 3 years ago
Isn't "your" sentence missing a pronoun and a verb at the beginning? (The point is that before one calls attention to the speck of dust in another's eye, one ought to remove the speck in his own - don't you think?)
NestorAudinotviolins 3 years ago
Actually, it's called informal English. If you haven't noticed, outside of news articles and other formal writing, most people use it on the internet since it is somewhat similar to normal dialogue. People don't generally, however, intentionally use 'your' and 'you're' interchangeably. I'm not calling you ignorant. I just noticed and saw the humor in the situation.
bmwoodson 3 years ago
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a bit out of tune. he tries to copy heifetz, but there is only one master
chagalletje 3 years ago
I hope nobody's a fan of Joshua Bell.
Anyway, it's a bit fast for me.
Zhou9 4 years ago
I think that's Frank Miller (ex Toscanini NBC) at the head of the cello section. Milstein was past his prime at this point.
hillwills 4 years ago
despite being out of tune the first 20 seconds i was mesmorized by the intensity of this performance
scottbos68 4 years ago
do you like milstein more than oistrakh and heifetz?
issagele 4 years ago
i like rabin kogan and szeryng most
but there are many others i love and still listen to like oistrakh perlman milstein heifetz etc they all have their own sound
scottbos68 4 years ago
Are you a fan of Joshua Bell?
issagele 4 years ago
no are you
scottbos68 4 years ago
The first 20 seconds more in tune the Menuhin's performance. I think he's fine.
tlcooper93 3 years ago
I prefer Milstein over Oistrach . Heifetz played to the beat of his own drummer
lpvcrcd 1 year ago
Many thanks for sharing.
SmilingMoonBreeze 4 years ago 2