true we should appreciate the love the lgbt community has for one another but should we appreciate them for hating on the mormons, i don't think so. no love for the lgbt if they show no love towards the rights of other poeple who like the crazy women said pay taxes and so on.
yes, thats the example jesus set for us to follow and if you forgive but dont forget than truly you are not forgiving. if a person hits you on one cheeck turn your face and put the other cheeck. forgive thee brother so you can be forgiven of your own transgrations and love thee brothren
hey no offense to anybody whos religious but we need love,not hate.love is what will heal our wounded society.we should appreciate the love that the lgbt community has for one another.
Who is she to say this is unconstitutional. We believe that god intended us to have a man and a woman marry.
What is really bad is that THEY are stopping the Mormons from doing very sacred things in that temple! Don't blame us for prop 8 passing. This is a standard Good Vs. Evil. Good Won! Get over it!
@MattF33 So you just said LGBT people are EVIL? and to get over it?
FUCK YOU AND YOUR BULLSHIT CHURCH. How is one supposed to respect your beliefs when you call someone else evil? I don't know why they would want to, but the gay community is welcome in The United Church. Some religions can grow, adapt and become accepting and tolerant- Why can't yours?
"History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government. This marks the lowest grade of ignorance of which their civil as well as religious leaders will always avail themselves for their own purposes."
--Thomas Jefferson to Alexander von Humboldt, 1813. ME 14:21
After all these years, the goal of organized religion in attacking civil rights still fits well in Jefferson's description of their reputation.
Please shut that woman up. My gosh, what a bunch of senseless rhetoric that is void of all common sense. How politically incorrect can one be, my gosh.
join the mormon church? readyjojoy! please make sure you know wat ure getting ureself into buddy! this church was true and always is becoz of Jesus's teachings and covenants given to Joseph Smith..., but, the leaders are too proud and prejudiced even now and they turn around and make their own rules instead of listening to God! You will know if you keep going and join the church some day and you will feel the jealousy, the backbiting, the evil doings of its members, e.g., sleeping with others!
I love the protests. It might actually wake the Mormons up; who are the last hope for this great country. Oh yeah, Mormons actually own guns because that is their right. Marriage is not your right. READ THE CONSTITUTION you imbeciles. Because of this crap I have actually realized that Mormons might be on to something and am currently learning more about them. Who knows, I might actually join them. You better get your food storage you queers. Another good lesson from the Mormons.
Yes, in your church marriage is between a man and a woman, and No on Prop 8 people aren't arguing otherwise.
We're not talking about marriage within your religion, however; we're talking about marriage as a legal standing within government. It's a civil issue, not a religious one. No law is forcing your religion to marry same-sex people. You can keep your bigotry all to yourselves there.
ancientmariner1984 ;"What a shocker! LDS is against homosexual marriage!"
Simply against? I'm not surprised you misinterpret what you read.
Marriage was legal in CA at least as far back as May '08. LDS with the catholics conspired to REMOVE LEGAL MARRIAGE from gay citizens who got married and to further prevent marriages in that group.
That predatory activity is against the spirit of The Constitution and therefore un-American.
Unless you have a marriage license from the state it's not legal.
Oh no!! What a shocker!!! LDS is against homosexual marriage!! Of course it is. In Deuteronomy Chapter 20 and Romans Chapter 1 homosexuality is condemned by God. The government shouldn't be involved in marriage in the first place because it is a religious institution, not a secular institution.
In the United States, marriage is a civil (i.e., state) status. Marriage *can* be a religious institution or sacrament, but opponents of Prop 8 aren't interested in changing or even addressing how church's conduct their business. If churches want to marry only opposite-sex couples that's okay with us. We just want to get married at City Hall.
This whole thing is fascinating to a boy from Europe. But some of the No guys remind me of some soccer fans I once observed. They stood and shouted the worst kind of obscenities to this player. All about his wife and family then when he turned around and gave them the bird they were outraged they complained to the police and the stewards inside the stadium and demand he be arrested. It just seemed so hypocritical and back to front. You had a vote you lost take teh fight back to the ballot box.
yessson8 ;"And you HOMOS and Trannies, you will never be considered a family let alone a marriage in the minds of most Americans, never"
My my! Did you learn all that in your church? I have no doubt.
You show such a feeling of family and wisdom that comes from a long tradition of humane reflection of the human condition that makes no one perfect. Indeed god makes us all different but strives to help all become whole and part of the family.
When will you Faggots figure out that it has nothing to do with religion or hate or whatever your scapegoat of the day is
It has to do with your filthy, disgusting faggot lifestyle and nobody wants children to be raised by HOMOS
Nobody wants their children hanging out in a HOMO household, nobody wants to even have to think about two faggots or two disgusting beastly dykes pretending they have a marriage
Your desire for a fake HOMO family will never be accepted, sorry
yessson8 ;"you Faggots...your filthy, disgusting faggot lifestyle...about two faggots or two disgusting beastly dykes pretending they have a marriage...Your desire for a fake HOMO family will never be accepted, sorry"
Could you be more explicit? I'm not getting a clear picture of what you mean. Don't hold back.
Nice of you to say you're sorry at the end. I like it. It's so British and thus charming, even though you present yourself as not.
She foolish. Gays are supposedly fighting for equal rights. Yet, they are protesting the fact that people exercised their right to vote (against them) and religions rights to believe what they choose. Huge contradiction on their part. The Gay community seems to only believe in free speech and rights when it mirrors their own.
obdiane; "The Gay community seems to only believe in free speech and rights when it mirrors their own."
No, you're confused. Listen up. We had the right in California at least as far back as May '08 it was legal. Look it up. Prop 8 removed that right.
Your kind voted to remove that right. In your temples you are trained to want to live in a theocracy when you are actually living in a constitutional republic.
Prop8 is unconstitutional and therefore un-American like the rest of your kind.
eVVVVV- Unconstitutional!?LOL! You apparently dont know the constitution. You are truly, confused. Were in the constitution does it say that gays should be allowed to marry? As to, giving someone else a "equality in marriage, homosexuals already have the same equality in marriage that I do. A female homosexual can marry a man just as I can, and vice versa (same with a gay man,can marry a woman).
obdiane ;"You are truly, confused. Were in the constitution does it say that gays should be allowed to marry?"
"We hold these truths to be self evident that all men are created equal". Well, I guess by your logic, that leaves you out - and gay men's rights IN since the earliest days of this constitutional republic.
eVVVVV-WTH? You are equal. You have the equal right to marry, just like me (a man can marry woman and vise versus). Furthermore, you also have civil unions, so you actually have more than needed. The problem is that gay people dont just want tolerance, they want more than acceptance, they want APPROVAL.
obdiane "The problem is that gay people dont just want tolerance, they want more than acceptance, they want APPROVAL."
You are still confused. But don't worry you have a lot of company. We want to be left alone. We demand equality under the law. We want people to mind their own business.
Arrogance(religious or otherwise)will always confound one's view and understanding. So when will you realize that when you speak for GLBT folks that it destroys your credibility?
eVVVVV-They want me to tell them that what they are participating in is alright, that they have nothing to be ashamed of. I cannot do this, just like I cant approve of teenage sex, adultery, promiscuity, or other turpitudes.
obdiane says; ""eVVVVV-They want me to tell them that what they are participating in is alright, that they have nothing to be ashamed of.""
Please try to overcome your confusion. We didn't ask for your approval on anything. Prop 8 was something your kind put on the ballot. But you have no right to decide the civil rights of others in a vote. You do have the occasional opportunity to do so because of ignorance and a shared hatred for a minority.
You continue to throw the same argument at me, and your rebuttals are illogical. You state your opinions as facts. We can continue to go around and around, however prop 8 passed, marriage is between a man and women(in that state) , Californian spoke. Just like America spoke with Obama. Point blank . It has been interesting to say the least. Have a wonderful thanksgiving, may God bless. Goodbye.
obdiane ;"We can continue to go around and around, however prop 8 passed, marriage is between a man and women(in that state)..."
Enjoy prop 8's passage while you can. It will be knocked down if we still live in a constitutional republic.
"Just like America spoke with Obama."
You speak as though all of the country voted for him. I voted for Obama for so many important reasons, moral reasons that I "believe" most Americans are sadly unaware of. And sadly you see it as moral to vote for prop 8.
"And sadly you see it as moral to vote for prop 8."
Of course,all the country did not vote for him,haha, and all of Cal. didn't vote for prop 8. The point is, you lost,prop 8 was passed. So,keep it moving. Have a nice day.God bless.Good bye.Hasta la vista.Ya me despido and Zai Jian!
Prop 8 transcended defining marriage; it has become a metaphor for a stamp of APPROVAL for being gay. Gay people dont want the religious label of marriage(apparent by their Christian bashing), they want public APPROVAL. Gay people want the gay lifestyle to be an alternative promoted to all.
Gays want to be able to take away my right to disagree with their lifestyle; they want to force me to approve their turpitude. They want to invade a moral conviction held by religious people and poison it with taking on the name of marriage in a vulgar way.
I wouldn't be surprised if someone tried to argue against you. Though, then again, that has happened to me a million times, and I never respond back because I can never get out what I want to say. Typer's block.
Furthermore, throughout human history, the common thread of marriages is that it is an institution for the two of the opposite genders. Same-sex "marriage" is an oxymoron. One can no more have a same-sex "marriage" than one can have a female "father". Now why exactly should the state participate in this farce by legally recognizing it?
"Just as we must not confuse dissent with disloyalty, we must not confuse disloyalty with dissent."
It seems that internal memos of LDS show the Mormons conspired with the Catholics to attack "homosexual legal marriage", as LDS put it, as far back as '97. So much for moral higher ground. Looks like the tax exemption is about to rescinded on these two cults. Well, one can hope.
Do a search ----> " dailykos (update w/ video X2 + Darcy Burner) Prop 8: DEVASTATING internal memo from the LDS Church "
Wow. I think this is the first time anyone has ever protested at a Mormon temple. I think you have them shaking in their boots now. This protest is absolutely pathetic.
Seriously? What a bunch of wack jobs. Too bad decent people have to work and support their familes and can't stand on a corner wasting their lives by such idiotic causes.
If it was left up to the people to vote in the 1800s, we'd still have slavery. Point is, the majority cannot restrict rights on other groups of people - this is why the courts should overturn Prop 8.
The thing is that this is not a civil rights issue. Gays have all the same rights as straight couples. This is about redefining marriage, which is only between male and female. Even most blacks agree this is not a civil rights issue.
@shipmaker14 Are you insinuating that the "Mormon Church" is not in California? It is a worldwide church afterall. What about the Catholics? Did they fund it from out of the nation? Christians, Jews, and other people who believe same sex marriage is immoral stood up for what they believe in. And why wouldn't they? In fact, if they believe it is immoral, they SHOULD.
"We will not stand for it" Then sit down and shut up! The people have spoken AGAIN! You have no right to marriage, you have only live, liberity and the pursuit of happiness. The democracy of your state has spoken.. Deal with it!
So you should be allowed to preach your teachings unchallenged? The majority of these protests have been peacefull. I think the Mormon leadership is playing the vicitim card at the drop of the hat without examining their own actions. I say shame on you for spreading hatred and lies.
standing up for traditional family and marriage is a hate crime? People are allowed to vote there conscious. What LDS members voted on was not wrong. If you say all of america is wrong for not wanting gay marriage then you need to sit down and wake up! WE DONT WANT IT. THE PEOPLE HAVE SPOKEN!! YOU HAVE ALL OF THE SAME RIGHTS!! these protests have been anything but peaceful. Vandalism is not peaceful, picking fights with people who dont agree with u isnt either, nor vulgarity. your such a tool!!
Funny how you accuse me of vulgarity when you've been flagrantly bashing gays and their lifestyle. I would be offended if I didn't feel so sorry for you. If you think I'm a tool, you should look in the mirror for being such a gullible hypocrite who's obviously uninformed.
If you want to get your voices truly heard, this is not the way. It looks like children that are throwing a fit because they didnt get their way. THEN...when that still didnt work, they targeted the only person at school (or city) that wouldnt fight back.
@ralfferrer789 "IT WAS ADAM AND EVE"? You're the one who's stupid!
Ever hear of evolution? Did you hear this woman say, "We are your neighbors,friends,family members"? Gay people exist, and you should recognize that they are people too.I am not gay, but I do live in Canada where we try and exercise a bit more tolerance. Just as societies do, in the face of religion, YOU SHOULD EVOLVE.
"Those who disagree with the mormon position on prop 8, have the right to make their feelings known, it is wrong to target the church and its sacred places of worship for being part of the democratic process"
first off, im mormon. second off, i couldnt care less if gays wanna marry eacch other. i dont agree, nor do i care. theres other matters to me that are far more important. that being said. dont target any singular religious denomination because of what we believe. THATS unconstitutional. heres a shocker you didnt know. 60% of the black people that voted for obama in california VOTED FOR PROP 8... uh oh racist much? anyway im not to upset about this even though it is disgusting. its all scripture
The monogamous marriage is a religious rite and it comes directly from religion.
I don't like your faggot churches.
Since when should the religious standard of monogamous marriage be applied to secular law???
Why not polygyny or polyandry???
ANSWER: Religious faggots cannot admit there is an axiomatic state of reproductive mammalian biology scientifically consistent with evolutionary theory.
How is this un-American? The people voted. Mormons only take up 2% of CA total population! And yet they can't help but place the blame on them. Why not any other organizations? Then they would lose PC credibility.
WOW people you really need to chill out in the begining there was just man and women to marry always been like that your trying to make your own law that doesn't exist leave the LDS church alone I myself am a LDS member we haven't done anything to you so protesting on a sacred grounds is not the answer just making a fool of yourself on national television and on the net so everybody in the world can see that.
I was sympathetic for the No on 8 position until I saw these videos protesting a church and assaulting those with differing views. These people are full of bile.
A friend of mine that is LDS told me that the LDS Church has had to deal with angry mobs in its history. I guess nothing has changed except that now they're dealing with angry gay mobs. hahahahahaha
Legislating bigotry. You guys should know. That's what you're trying to do. People don't have to be okay with gay marriage. You can do what you want, but people don't have to be okay with it.
I've been hearing talk from a few select fags about since they were denied (queer marriage) (AGAIN!) that they want to make marriage illegal for everybody. of course how ridiculous as that sounds who wouldnt laugh at that? These people are embarrassing. you can see there true colors and agenda show. They want to have more rights so they can tell us what to do. Tell US??? you'd have to be pretty stupid to think you can become a dictator in this country and not expect to get hanged.
The all time low was waking up on November 5 in a state where basic, fundamental civil rights were stripped away from a minority because a simple majority wanted to impose their religious beliefs on others.
to allow more immorality and promiscuity into our society? No thank you! keep your shit in your closet, no one wants to see it. Your lifestyle is not welcome here. keep it to yourself. you have all the same rights. redefining marriage is not one of them. being able to create children is not one of them, since gays deny themselves of that natural function anyways. a gay man is a smart man when he marries someone of the opposite sex, that way he can have a real family with his spouse.
No, better yet, lets go into a Jewish church & demand a Barmitzvah, and when they tell us only a Jewish person can have a Barmitzvah, we'll complain, tell them they are haters, say they are discriminating against us have them change their Torah,which has been around for centuries but to hell with it in the name of freedom & not trampling on other's ways of life just to make us happy.
The difference is that marriage is both a religious AND a secular institution. It's the secular institution of marriage that should not discriminate against same sex couples. Religions are free to discriminate, governments are not.
gays are a freakin liability! they'll spend all of this money on lawsuits and prop campaigns just to get there way and then they go tell church's that they should spend there money feeding the poor. At the same time cities are having to spend money policing gays. And millions of people have to put up with blocked traffic because of there stupid protests! this is ridiculous.
This protestor is the poster child for bigotry. She is the bigot against race, religion, sexual orientation(heterosexuals) and anyone else who voted yes on 8. This is a sample of what her side would have done if prop 8 would have lost.
I dont understand why they say the Mormon faith is destroying their rights. Putting aside their religious views and focusing only on what they did, what exactly did they do wrong? We are a Democratic nation and decide rights based on the values of the majority. The right being voted on was gay marriage and the majority won. How did the Mormons take away a right that was never there?
wow, you hammered the nail on head with that. I mean seriously, there is other christians that supported this and they aren't coming after us. The majority voted "YES" on 8 and on 102 in Arizona. They aren't true Americans for excepting that.
How did the Mormons take away a right that was never there?
your exactly right! They never had a right to marry. And there whining about not being able to redefine the word marriage in the dictionary? There mad over a word? even when they have all the same rights? this is pathetic and so embarrasing (to them). Man I wish I was president. I would tell all of them to go home.
Attacking the Mormons is only likely to make them stronger. They are a minority that is under attack, and Americans don't like to see Churches under siege.
The issue is not the low number of LDS voters in the state of CA. Since you're only 20 years old, you may be unaware that the Mormon Church raised a great deal of money for TV ads that misrepresent gay people, California law, and the consequences of prop 8. The ads worked on many ignorant, fearful, or bigoted CA voters. It is this connection between the LDS's efforts to determine public policy and the passage of prop 8 that you're failing to understand.
ya Gays call us all ignorant, bigotted homophobes! The LDS church did not fund these ads. The members did! And the majority of California still voted yes on prop 8. Fags are the ignorant ones! Look at who's hating now? Your all for love and now you want to burn churches to the ground? You make no sense. queers are stupid people!
You guys are both awesome!!! Seriously, go protest in Watts and see how long their tolerance holds up. They won't stand for your BS. LOL!!! You would get handled!!
Tax the Mormon church? I though that y'all said that tax status would never be affected with stances on same sex unions. Ironic. I'll make you all a deal. Get your sigs in the probationary period, put it back on the ballot and let the state vote again. Confident?
Ironic the Mormons just stripped rights from another state! They took our right, we'll take their tax status since they have 20 million dollars lying around that they didn't use to feed the poor, fight poverty, etc. You ready in a year buddy cuz already in 10 hrs 100,000 signatures and, Oh we are very confident. We'll do it every year and you get to hear the homos and their allies until your ears bleed! We will get our equality!
No. Yes on 8 made the lie that churches who refused to preform same-sex marriages would lose their tax-exempt status.
What this is about is why a church should be allowed to give millions of dollars to a political campaign and still claim immunity from tax under the umbrella of religion.
If Prop 8 was a religious issue it would conflict with the separation of church and state.
If it was a secular one the Mormons had no right to give so much of their tax-exempt money to the prop 8 campaign.
lol less than 2% of Californians are mormons, by statistical proof they weren't the majority either. How does throwing out statistics make me racist, just because your religiously intolerant
THE MORMON CHURCH AND THEIR MONEY ARE KILLING GAY ACTIVISTS IN UGANDA
riellehunter 5 months ago
end mormons !!!! break down their temples!!! stop the virus!!!! stop the devils army before they end the world!!!
MsAlicewonderful 1 year ago
we say yes gay is not the way to go GOD made man and woman to be with each othere. GOD BLESS
TheMorMonCowBoy 1 year ago
@TheMorMonCowBoy god is not the way
idaman12345 5 months ago
true we should appreciate the love the lgbt community has for one another but should we appreciate them for hating on the mormons, i don't think so. no love for the lgbt if they show no love towards the rights of other poeple who like the crazy women said pay taxes and so on.
TheAna262 2 years ago
Huh?
Did you want blacks to show love for the KKK? How about jews show love for the Nazis? Maybe croatia show love for the serbs?
cryan71 2 years ago
yes, thats the example jesus set for us to follow and if you forgive but dont forget than truly you are not forgiving. if a person hits you on one cheeck turn your face and put the other cheeck. forgive thee brother so you can be forgiven of your own transgrations and love thee brothren
TheAna262 2 years ago
I think someone has to apologize first to be forgiven. I don't think the mormons and catholics have done that yet.
cryan71 2 years ago
hey no offense to anybody whos religious but we need love,not hate.love is what will heal our wounded society.we should appreciate the love that the lgbt community has for one another.
johnnyspiritofmook 2 years ago
The prophets prophecy is becoming fulfilled.
America will call evil good and good evil.
cwood4ever 2 years ago
Who is she to say this is unconstitutional. We believe that god intended us to have a man and a woman marry.
What is really bad is that THEY are stopping the Mormons from doing very sacred things in that temple! Don't blame us for prop 8 passing. This is a standard Good Vs. Evil. Good Won! Get over it!
MattF33 2 years ago
@MattF33 So you just said LGBT people are EVIL? and to get over it?
FUCK YOU AND YOUR BULLSHIT CHURCH. How is one supposed to respect your beliefs when you call someone else evil? I don't know why they would want to, but the gay community is welcome in The United Church. Some religions can grow, adapt and become accepting and tolerant- Why can't yours?
shipmaker14 1 year ago
Wow, that woman is insane and has a very annoying voice.
fireflames10 2 years ago
Gays...so ugly & so angry. Trying to deny the will of the people in a legitimate vote.
capon33 3 years ago
A warning from a Founder of this nation;
"History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government. This marks the lowest grade of ignorance of which their civil as well as religious leaders will always avail themselves for their own purposes."
--Thomas Jefferson to Alexander von Humboldt, 1813. ME 14:21
After all these years, the goal of organized religion in attacking civil rights still fits well in Jefferson's description of their reputation.
eVVVVV 3 years ago
Please shut that woman up. My gosh, what a bunch of senseless rhetoric that is void of all common sense. How politically incorrect can one be, my gosh.
vintageyellow71 3 years ago
join the mormon church? readyjojoy! please make sure you know wat ure getting ureself into buddy! this church was true and always is becoz of Jesus's teachings and covenants given to Joseph Smith..., but, the leaders are too proud and prejudiced even now and they turn around and make their own rules instead of listening to God! You will know if you keep going and join the church some day and you will feel the jealousy, the backbiting, the evil doings of its members, e.g., sleeping with others!
wdeadman49 3 years ago
I love the protests. It might actually wake the Mormons up; who are the last hope for this great country. Oh yeah, Mormons actually own guns because that is their right. Marriage is not your right. READ THE CONSTITUTION you imbeciles. Because of this crap I have actually realized that Mormons might be on to something and am currently learning more about them. Who knows, I might actually join them. You better get your food storage you queers. Another good lesson from the Mormons.
readyjojoy 3 years ago
have any Questions about the Mormon (LDS) church? You can message me!
MattF33 2 years ago
Why so much anger? People have their right to vote against or for what they want and let the law decide, no need for so much anger.
neilnora 3 years ago
In Love I say this "Come to Jesus" before its tooo late.
aXgayMan4Jesus 3 years ago
Yes, in your church marriage is between a man and a woman, and No on Prop 8 people aren't arguing otherwise.
We're not talking about marriage within your religion, however; we're talking about marriage as a legal standing within government. It's a civil issue, not a religious one. No law is forcing your religion to marry same-sex people. You can keep your bigotry all to yourselves there.
ben0765 3 years ago
ancientmariner1984 ;"What a shocker! LDS is against homosexual marriage!"
Simply against? I'm not surprised you misinterpret what you read.
Marriage was legal in CA at least as far back as May '08. LDS with the catholics conspired to REMOVE LEGAL MARRIAGE from gay citizens who got married and to further prevent marriages in that group.
That predatory activity is against the spirit of The Constitution and therefore un-American.
Unless you have a marriage license from the state it's not legal.
eVVVVV 3 years ago
Oh no!! What a shocker!!! LDS is against homosexual marriage!! Of course it is. In Deuteronomy Chapter 20 and Romans Chapter 1 homosexuality is condemned by God. The government shouldn't be involved in marriage in the first place because it is a religious institution, not a secular institution.
ancientmariner1984 3 years ago
In the United States, marriage is a civil (i.e., state) status. Marriage *can* be a religious institution or sacrament, but opponents of Prop 8 aren't interested in changing or even addressing how church's conduct their business. If churches want to marry only opposite-sex couples that's okay with us. We just want to get married at City Hall.
ben0765 3 years ago
This whole thing is fascinating to a boy from Europe. But some of the No guys remind me of some soccer fans I once observed. They stood and shouted the worst kind of obscenities to this player. All about his wife and family then when he turned around and gave them the bird they were outraged they complained to the police and the stewards inside the stadium and demand he be arrested. It just seemed so hypocritical and back to front. You had a vote you lost take teh fight back to the ballot box.
bigchasbroon 3 years ago
Just what our country needs is a bunch of FAGGOTS nancying around pretending they are married
Or some disgusting DYKES pretending they are mothers with some spawn from a turkey baster
Guess what ladies? It is NOT a family
And you HOMOS and Trannies, you will never be considered a family let alone a marriage in the minds of most Americans, never
yessson8 3 years ago
yessson8 ;"And you HOMOS and Trannies, you will never be considered a family let alone a marriage in the minds of most Americans, never"
My my! Did you learn all that in your church? I have no doubt.
You show such a feeling of family and wisdom that comes from a long tradition of humane reflection of the human condition that makes no one perfect. Indeed god makes us all different but strives to help all become whole and part of the family.
It's good you're here to help, in your own way.
eVVVVV 3 years ago
When will you Faggots figure out that it has nothing to do with religion or hate or whatever your scapegoat of the day is
It has to do with your filthy, disgusting faggot lifestyle and nobody wants children to be raised by HOMOS
Nobody wants their children hanging out in a HOMO household, nobody wants to even have to think about two faggots or two disgusting beastly dykes pretending they have a marriage
Your desire for a fake HOMO family will never be accepted, sorry
yessson8 3 years ago
yessson8 ;"you Faggots...your filthy, disgusting faggot lifestyle...about two faggots or two disgusting beastly dykes pretending they have a marriage...Your desire for a fake HOMO family will never be accepted, sorry"
Could you be more explicit? I'm not getting a clear picture of what you mean. Don't hold back.
Nice of you to say you're sorry at the end. I like it. It's so British and thus charming, even though you present yourself as not.
eVVVVV 3 years ago
She foolish. Gays are supposedly fighting for equal rights. Yet, they are protesting the fact that people exercised their right to vote (against them) and religions rights to believe what they choose. Huge contradiction on their part. The Gay community seems to only believe in free speech and rights when it mirrors their own.
obdiane 3 years ago
obdiane; "The Gay community seems to only believe in free speech and rights when it mirrors their own."
No, you're confused. Listen up. We had the right in California at least as far back as May '08 it was legal. Look it up. Prop 8 removed that right.
Your kind voted to remove that right. In your temples you are trained to want to live in a theocracy when you are actually living in a constitutional republic.
Prop8 is unconstitutional and therefore un-American like the rest of your kind.
eVVVVV 3 years ago
eVVVVV- Unconstitutional!?LOL! You apparently dont know the constitution. You are truly, confused. Were in the constitution does it say that gays should be allowed to marry? As to, giving someone else a "equality in marriage, homosexuals already have the same equality in marriage that I do. A female homosexual can marry a man just as I can, and vice versa (same with a gay man,can marry a woman).
obdiane 3 years ago
obdiane ;"You are truly, confused. Were in the constitution does it say that gays should be allowed to marry?"
"We hold these truths to be self evident that all men are created equal". Well, I guess by your logic, that leaves you out - and gay men's rights IN since the earliest days of this constitutional republic.
Well that was easy.
eVVVVV 3 years ago
eVVVVV-WTH? You are equal. You have the equal right to marry, just like me (a man can marry woman and vise versus). Furthermore, you also have civil unions, so you actually have more than needed. The problem is that gay people dont just want tolerance, they want more than acceptance, they want APPROVAL.
obdiane 3 years ago
obdiane "The problem is that gay people dont just want tolerance, they want more than acceptance, they want APPROVAL."
You are still confused. But don't worry you have a lot of company. We want to be left alone. We demand equality under the law. We want people to mind their own business.
Arrogance(religious or otherwise)will always confound one's view and understanding. So when will you realize that when you speak for GLBT folks that it destroys your credibility?
eVVVVV 3 years ago
eVVVVV-They want me to tell them that what they are participating in is alright, that they have nothing to be ashamed of. I cannot do this, just like I cant approve of teenage sex, adultery, promiscuity, or other turpitudes.
obdiane 3 years ago
obdiane says; ""eVVVVV-They want me to tell them that what they are participating in is alright, that they have nothing to be ashamed of.""
Please try to overcome your confusion. We didn't ask for your approval on anything. Prop 8 was something your kind put on the ballot. But you have no right to decide the civil rights of others in a vote. You do have the occasional opportunity to do so because of ignorance and a shared hatred for a minority.
eVVVVV 3 years ago
You continue to throw the same argument at me, and your rebuttals are illogical. You state your opinions as facts. We can continue to go around and around, however prop 8 passed, marriage is between a man and women(in that state) , Californian spoke. Just like America spoke with Obama. Point blank . It has been interesting to say the least. Have a wonderful thanksgiving, may God bless. Goodbye.
obdiane 3 years ago
obdiane ;"We can continue to go around and around, however prop 8 passed, marriage is between a man and women(in that state)..."
Enjoy prop 8's passage while you can. It will be knocked down if we still live in a constitutional republic.
"Just like America spoke with Obama."
You speak as though all of the country voted for him. I voted for Obama for so many important reasons, moral reasons that I "believe" most Americans are sadly unaware of. And sadly you see it as moral to vote for prop 8.
eVVVVV 3 years ago
"And sadly you see it as moral to vote for prop 8."
Of course,all the country did not vote for him,haha, and all of Cal. didn't vote for prop 8. The point is, you lost,prop 8 was passed. So,keep it moving. Have a nice day.God bless.Good bye.Hasta la vista.Ya me despido and Zai Jian!
obdiane 3 years ago
eVVVVV
Prop 8 transcended defining marriage; it has become a metaphor for a stamp of APPROVAL for being gay. Gay people dont want the religious label of marriage(apparent by their Christian bashing), they want public APPROVAL. Gay people want the gay lifestyle to be an alternative promoted to all.
obdiane 3 years ago
Gays want to be able to take away my right to disagree with their lifestyle; they want to force me to approve their turpitude. They want to invade a moral conviction held by religious people and poison it with taking on the name of marriage in a vulgar way.
obdiane 3 years ago
I wouldn't be surprised if someone tried to argue against you. Though, then again, that has happened to me a million times, and I never respond back because I can never get out what I want to say. Typer's block.
MeNcIaIsM72 3 years ago
Furthermore, throughout human history, the common thread of marriages is that it is an institution for the two of the opposite genders. Same-sex "marriage" is an oxymoron. One can no more have a same-sex "marriage" than one can have a female "father". Now why exactly should the state participate in this farce by legally recognizing it?
"Just as we must not confuse dissent with disloyalty, we must not confuse disloyalty with dissent."
obdiane 3 years ago
You may have said No, but i said yes.
JTownSmith 3 years ago
Booooooooo!
ShaNaNayKeyLolo 3 years ago
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It seems that internal memos of LDS show the Mormons conspired with the Catholics to attack "homosexual legal marriage", as LDS put it, as far back as '97. So much for moral higher ground. Looks like the tax exemption is about to rescinded on these two cults. Well, one can hope.
Do a search ----> " dailykos (update w/ video X2 + Darcy Burner) Prop 8: DEVASTATING internal memo from the LDS Church "
eVVVVV 3 years ago
My goodness are you serious..hahahaha. This is the funniest video ever! They are mad because they cant abuse marriage by divorces.
ajaks27 3 years ago
Wow. I think this is the first time anyone has ever protested at a Mormon temple. I think you have them shaking in their boots now. This protest is absolutely pathetic.
unirrational 3 years ago
JUS SHUT YA ASS!
DoooooooooNNTTTTTTEL 3 years ago
I second that
oOKitty86Oo 3 years ago
Seriously? What a bunch of wack jobs. Too bad decent people have to work and support their familes and can't stand on a corner wasting their lives by such idiotic causes.
adamloughran 3 years ago
A cause that very much affects their lives.
Conversly, I find it idiotic that people voted YES and this stupid prop, considering that it probably didn't affect their lives AT ALL.
SPM947 3 years ago
Don't Mormons only make up 2% of California's population?
I think it's pretty clear that the people of California have spoken... they do not want gay marriage in their state.
ChristopherMillz 3 years ago 2
If it was left up to the people to vote in the 1800s, we'd still have slavery. Point is, the majority cannot restrict rights on other groups of people - this is why the courts should overturn Prop 8.
Soulfire21 3 years ago
The thing is that this is not a civil rights issue. Gays have all the same rights as straight couples. This is about redefining marriage, which is only between male and female. Even most blacks agree this is not a civil rights issue.
ChristopherMillz 3 years ago
@ChristopherMillz The Mormon church funded the Yes vote from out of State.
I think it's pretty clear that this law is quite discriminating.
shipmaker14 1 year ago
@shipmaker14 Are you insinuating that the "Mormon Church" is not in California? It is a worldwide church afterall. What about the Catholics? Did they fund it from out of the nation? Christians, Jews, and other people who believe same sex marriage is immoral stood up for what they believe in. And why wouldn't they? In fact, if they believe it is immoral, they SHOULD.
ChristopherMillz 1 year ago
What was the point of having a Vote??? if this was going to happen?
minusrhs 3 years ago
"We will not stand for it" Then sit down and shut up! The people have spoken AGAIN! You have no right to marriage, you have only live, liberity and the pursuit of happiness. The democracy of your state has spoken.. Deal with it!
threein60 3 years ago
Your point seems pretty ridiculous.
SPM947 3 years ago
you are also the group that threatens to burn our holy places, intimidates us, demands we lose our jobs and vandalizes our sacred places of worship.
SHAME ON YOU!!
YesProp8 3 years ago
So you should be allowed to preach your teachings unchallenged? The majority of these protests have been peacefull. I think the Mormon leadership is playing the vicitim card at the drop of the hat without examining their own actions. I say shame on you for spreading hatred and lies.
SPM947 3 years ago
standing up for traditional family and marriage is a hate crime? People are allowed to vote there conscious. What LDS members voted on was not wrong. If you say all of america is wrong for not wanting gay marriage then you need to sit down and wake up! WE DONT WANT IT. THE PEOPLE HAVE SPOKEN!! YOU HAVE ALL OF THE SAME RIGHTS!! these protests have been anything but peaceful. Vandalism is not peaceful, picking fights with people who dont agree with u isnt either, nor vulgarity. your such a tool!!
hertzogger 3 years ago
Funny how you accuse me of vulgarity when you've been flagrantly bashing gays and their lifestyle. I would be offended if I didn't feel so sorry for you. If you think I'm a tool, you should look in the mirror for being such a gullible hypocrite who's obviously uninformed.
SPM947 3 years ago
are you a fucking idiot...educate yourself before you write shit....GOD LOVES EVERYONE..
mmverano 3 years ago
Man, you pray to Jesus with that mouth? lol
SPM947 3 years ago
If you want to get your voices truly heard, this is not the way. It looks like children that are throwing a fit because they didnt get their way. THEN...when that still didnt work, they targeted the only person at school (or city) that wouldnt fight back.
YUCK....Looks like a bunch of bullies
shaunamom4 3 years ago
Wow you gay people are really stupid!
First of all The Mormons Weren't the only church that Donated for YES on 8!
There were many other churches!
And you know what the Prop 8 Passed as Yes already! So you guys are not gonna change that!
So get over it!
IT WAS ADAM AND EVE!! NOT ADAM AND STEVE!!
ralfferrer789 3 years ago 2
We will let the California Supreme Court decide on that. You know, the same California Supreme Court that overthrew the gay marriage ban?
dallasjayhawker 3 years ago
@ralfferrer789 "IT WAS ADAM AND EVE"? You're the one who's stupid!
Ever hear of evolution? Did you hear this woman say, "We are your neighbors,friends,family members"? Gay people exist, and you should recognize that they are people too.I am not gay, but I do live in Canada where we try and exercise a bit more tolerance. Just as societies do, in the face of religion, YOU SHOULD EVOLVE.
shipmaker14 1 year ago
"Those who disagree with the mormon position on prop 8, have the right to make their feelings known, it is wrong to target the church and its sacred places of worship for being part of the democratic process"
weezerstud14 3 years ago
Your the bigot here. my gosh
vintageyellow71 3 years ago
damn that lady need to brush her teeth cuz i can hella smell her breath!!
woooooooh ahahaahaahahaahaha
YES ON 8 PLEAZE DONT HATE!! HAHAHAHAHAHAH
CUZ ITS OVER AND DONE WIT!!
reupenaaa 3 years ago
first off, im mormon. second off, i couldnt care less if gays wanna marry eacch other. i dont agree, nor do i care. theres other matters to me that are far more important. that being said. dont target any singular religious denomination because of what we believe. THATS unconstitutional. heres a shocker you didnt know. 60% of the black people that voted for obama in california VOTED FOR PROP 8... uh oh racist much? anyway im not to upset about this even though it is disgusting. its all scripture
conorcaviness 3 years ago
Korihor lives.
lemoncurry9 3 years ago
The monogamous marriage is a religious rite and it comes directly from religion.
I don't like your faggot churches.
Since when should the religious standard of monogamous marriage be applied to secular law???
Why not polygyny or polyandry???
ANSWER: Religious faggots cannot admit there is an axiomatic state of reproductive mammalian biology scientifically consistent with evolutionary theory.
SirWinstonChurchill 3 years ago
How is this un-American? The people voted. Mormons only take up 2% of CA total population! And yet they can't help but place the blame on them. Why not any other organizations? Then they would lose PC credibility.
monty287 3 years ago
Ya'll need to listen to "Final Solution" from Dale Brown's cd Zarahemla Mecca of Blues
apologiamixer 3 years ago
WOW people you really need to chill out in the begining there was just man and women to marry always been like that your trying to make your own law that doesn't exist leave the LDS church alone I myself am a LDS member we haven't done anything to you so protesting on a sacred grounds is not the answer just making a fool of yourself on national television and on the net so everybody in the world can see that.
shibby2312 3 years ago
I was sympathetic for the No on 8 position until I saw these videos protesting a church and assaulting those with differing views. These people are full of bile.
royroidx3 3 years ago
ya it really makes ya feel sorry for these gays who spend there whole time making themselves look like idiots and fools!
Not one word I can think of that describes there lifestyle in a respectable way.
hertzogger 3 years ago 2
A friend of mine that is LDS told me that the LDS Church has had to deal with angry mobs in its history. I guess nothing has changed except that now they're dealing with angry gay mobs. hahahahahaha
brado426 3 years ago 2
Gay marriage and religious freedom are incompatible with each other. These protestors are just proving it.
crewsayer 3 years ago
good point
hertzogger 3 years ago
Legislating bigotry. You guys should know. That's what you're trying to do. People don't have to be okay with gay marriage. You can do what you want, but people don't have to be okay with it.
flowerheimer 3 years ago
I've been hearing talk from a few select fags about since they were denied (queer marriage) (AGAIN!) that they want to make marriage illegal for everybody. of course how ridiculous as that sounds who wouldnt laugh at that? These people are embarrassing. you can see there true colors and agenda show. They want to have more rights so they can tell us what to do. Tell US??? you'd have to be pretty stupid to think you can become a dictator in this country and not expect to get hanged.
hertzogger 3 years ago
Wow attacking a church. This is an all time low.
Chessterguy 3 years ago
You see any weapons, Chesster? Any fights?
Buzzboy8771 3 years ago
The all time low was waking up on November 5 in a state where basic, fundamental civil rights were stripped away from a minority because a simple majority wanted to impose their religious beliefs on others.
drewj1969 3 years ago
to allow more immorality and promiscuity into our society? No thank you! keep your shit in your closet, no one wants to see it. Your lifestyle is not welcome here. keep it to yourself. you have all the same rights. redefining marriage is not one of them. being able to create children is not one of them, since gays deny themselves of that natural function anyways. a gay man is a smart man when he marries someone of the opposite sex, that way he can have a real family with his spouse.
hertzogger 3 years ago
can u say "sodom and gomorrah" ? wow
mikeywells92 3 years ago
or sodemy in gomorrah?
fumonjo2 3 years ago
And ya know what we don't care. We exercise our right to vote. So you can go crawl in a hole if you ain't likin it. OK.
LaniKauvaka 3 years ago
Let's vote on your marriage now.
drewj1969 3 years ago
No, better yet, lets go into a Jewish church & demand a Barmitzvah, and when they tell us only a Jewish person can have a Barmitzvah, we'll complain, tell them they are haters, say they are discriminating against us have them change their Torah,which has been around for centuries but to hell with it in the name of freedom & not trampling on other's ways of life just to make us happy.
oOKitty86Oo 3 years ago
The difference is that marriage is both a religious AND a secular institution. It's the secular institution of marriage that should not discriminate against same sex couples. Religions are free to discriminate, governments are not.
drewj1969 3 years ago
Good point. Thats why homosexuals legally have the right to civil union, which entails the same basic rights a married couples.
oOKitty86Oo 3 years ago
First of all, civil unions have some of the rights of marriage, but not all. Secondly, separate but equal is NOT equal.
drewj1969 3 years ago
oOKitty86Oo ; "No, better yet, lets go into a Jewish church & demand a Barmitzvah,...."
Gay folks have no need to do that. We'll just make up our own religion like EVERYBODY ELSE DID and get married in that! Yeah that's the ticket!
eVVVVV 3 years ago
lol
oOKitty86Oo 3 years ago
gays are a freakin liability! they'll spend all of this money on lawsuits and prop campaigns just to get there way and then they go tell church's that they should spend there money feeding the poor. At the same time cities are having to spend money policing gays. And millions of people have to put up with blocked traffic because of there stupid protests! this is ridiculous.
hertzogger 3 years ago
Protesting a religion is really very American of these people, don't you think? They should talk about bigotry.
Snowpea81 3 years ago
This protestor is the poster child for bigotry. She is the bigot against race, religion, sexual orientation(heterosexuals) and anyone else who voted yes on 8. This is a sample of what her side would have done if prop 8 would have lost.
authorworld 3 years ago
I dont understand why they say the Mormon faith is destroying their rights. Putting aside their religious views and focusing only on what they did, what exactly did they do wrong? We are a Democratic nation and decide rights based on the values of the majority. The right being voted on was gay marriage and the majority won. How did the Mormons take away a right that was never there?
FreemasonMovies 3 years ago 3
wow, you hammered the nail on head with that. I mean seriously, there is other christians that supported this and they aren't coming after us. The majority voted "YES" on 8 and on 102 in Arizona. They aren't true Americans for excepting that.
truedcskater 3 years ago
How did the Mormons take away a right that was never there?
your exactly right! They never had a right to marry. And there whining about not being able to redefine the word marriage in the dictionary? There mad over a word? even when they have all the same rights? this is pathetic and so embarrasing (to them). Man I wish I was president. I would tell all of them to go home.
hertzogger 3 years ago
Attacking the Mormons is only likely to make them stronger. They are a minority that is under attack, and Americans don't like to see Churches under siege.
Nonamearisto 3 years ago
The issue is not the low number of LDS voters in the state of CA. Since you're only 20 years old, you may be unaware that the Mormon Church raised a great deal of money for TV ads that misrepresent gay people, California law, and the consequences of prop 8. The ads worked on many ignorant, fearful, or bigoted CA voters. It is this connection between the LDS's efforts to determine public policy and the passage of prop 8 that you're failing to understand.
ben0765 3 years ago
ya Gays call us all ignorant, bigotted homophobes! The LDS church did not fund these ads. The members did! And the majority of California still voted yes on prop 8. Fags are the ignorant ones! Look at who's hating now? Your all for love and now you want to burn churches to the ground? You make no sense. queers are stupid people!
hertzogger 3 years ago
You guys are both awesome!!! Seriously, go protest in Watts and see how long their tolerance holds up. They won't stand for your BS. LOL!!! You would get handled!!
thebird1080 3 years ago
Tax the Mormon church? I though that y'all said that tax status would never be affected with stances on same sex unions. Ironic. I'll make you all a deal. Get your sigs in the probationary period, put it back on the ballot and let the state vote again. Confident?
freakrollindeep 3 years ago
Ironic the Mormons just stripped rights from another state! They took our right, we'll take their tax status since they have 20 million dollars lying around that they didn't use to feed the poor, fight poverty, etc. You ready in a year buddy cuz already in 10 hrs 100,000 signatures and, Oh we are very confident. We'll do it every year and you get to hear the homos and their allies until your ears bleed! We will get our equality!
fireruby08 3 years ago
So what if someone has 20 million dollars. Its not your business. If your dirt poor and jealous waaaaah on you!
hertzogger 3 years ago
No. Yes on 8 made the lie that churches who refused to preform same-sex marriages would lose their tax-exempt status.
What this is about is why a church should be allowed to give millions of dollars to a political campaign and still claim immunity from tax under the umbrella of religion.
If Prop 8 was a religious issue it would conflict with the separation of church and state.
If it was a secular one the Mormons had no right to give so much of their tax-exempt money to the prop 8 campaign.
LordTonberry 3 years ago
7 out of 10 african amercians and Hispanics voted Yes on prop 8, why don't you have the balls to protest out in compton?
ThatsErapProductions 3 years ago 3
because they weren't the majority racist bastard. If you want, we will, all 5 million buddy :D.
fireruby08 3 years ago
lol less than 2% of Californians are mormons, by statistical proof they weren't the majority either. How does throwing out statistics make me racist, just because your religiously intolerant
ThatsErapProductions 3 years ago