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  • I'd rather see Ryu Hayabusa vs Jin Kazama

  • @kennedy072, Ryu Hayabusa does got a lot of moves and combo's that can kill off the oppoment with a lot of damage. Your just not good at using Ryu at all. Beside, raven is not even up top of the level of Ryu Hayabusa and he will never be because he is different then Ryu. Though, raven is a good tekken fighter. He still not top as Ryu Hayabusa. No offense to anyone but you can see many fighting game character that dress close as a assassin or ninja mostly copy Ryu moves.

  • Face it. Every fighting games copy others fighting game. Someone copied from DOA someone from Tekken etc.

  • raven has alot of moves that hayabusa man i hate ninjas i like assassin

  • Hayabusa is way better, he has his own game dedicated to him!!

  • raven is a copy black version of hayabusa ...nah nobody can compete Ryu Hayabusa the Dragon Ninja..Ryu will kill raven in a flash

  • people should compare hehachi from tekken and goken from street fighter

  • If anyone, Hayabusa should compare to Dante. that's it.

  • Azazel, Raven allowed Jin (Devil jin i mean, cause Normal Jin can't beat Azazal) to complete what he had started, and in turn removed the orb from his corpse to prevent others from attaining Azazel's powers. I'm sure if i was using Ryu's name in place of Raven's it would seem more believeable, but having your powers listed as unknown means there's no known depths, so i still stand by my statement of "Raven can do what Ryu can and then some" doesn't ean i don't like them both tho lol

  • @oosuchin Raven wasn't even in Tekken 3, or 4 so what you are saying about Ogre is a lie or delusion of yours. It is also a lie that Raven can defeat Heihachi, seeing he got a call from headquarters and left before a winner could be decided. Raven didn't manipulate Jin into anything, it was Jin's own choice to persue Azazel. And it is also a load of crap having powers listed as unkown is grounds for assuming they are super powerful.

  • @ZurBar8 Precicely why i mentioned that he didn't bother showing up to tekken 3, it's not delusion, just what matches with Raven's story, he doesn't get involved unless he's ordered too, which means he's required. and yes he WAS able to defeat Heiachi, just because he was ordered to leave instead of eliminate doesn't mean he was losing the battle. again unknown = variable which means it's even more stupid to believe he's automatically weak because his powers are unknown.

  • @oosuchin Jin believes he's following fate, Raven doesn't get involved but allows for Jin to complete his destiny of blood with almost no inturruptions? that's not manipulation of the events? Ever notice Raven never messes with Jin's plans? Also notice that Raven Helps only the ones who could be a used as a counter measure? Raven could've eliminated Jinpatchi but that would mean he would get the Zaibatsu and all the publicity that went with it. would be BAD for raven being a ninja wouldn't it?

  • @oosuchin I'm not assuming he's weak, just not as powerful as you'd like to believe.

  • Jin is a perfect pawn cause he's suicidal from his bloodline (but is pure minded why not use him?). Kazuya can't beat Jin, and Heiachi can't beat Raven but is able to defeat Kazuya. i almost forgot about Azazel another post..

  • More powerful then Jin, because he manipulates him into what he needs accomplished (remember ninja can't win the tounament due to publicity), more powerful then True Ogre because he didn't bother showing to the scene when Ogre was the threat. Jinpatchi, Raven allowed for fate by letting Jin win the tounament and removing Heiachi from interfering with the battle. ( To be Cont'd)

  • The counters are nice, Ryu is less ninjalike vs ravens more ninja stylish ones but still good =)

  • Also "Gods can be Slain by mortals" =)

  • @oosuchin What god has ever been slain by a mortal?

  • @ZurBar8 Mortals can kill a god "through disbelief", and demi-gods are not complete gods, they are mortal with god like powers "like Ryu for your argument"

    Huclules, and others

  • @oosuchin "Through disbelief"? That's not what we are talking about. I know demi-gods aren't full gods, that's why I said "part In the beginning. Basic Ninja Gaiden History Pt.1: The first diety, Gurdu gave birth to all elements and provided them with order and function, however there existed an area of chaos, away from where Gurdu established order. This chaos at first existed as instinctual fear, but the fear grew as the chaos began to take shape. Evolving and growing until it became a diety.

  • @ZurBar8 As a result, the Dark God of Evil; Vigoor, came into being. Causing a chain reaction of chaos as he started to devour the terroritory of Gurdu, begining at it's center, spawning evil in his wake. During these early times, there were endless solar and lunar eclipes as the primitive earth shook and split, the seas dried up only to flood into existence again, intense winds swept over everything and fires burned down all of existence ignoring even the concept of time itself.

  • @ZurBar8 In the chaos Gurdu fell apart, breaking into quarters, each part becoming a new deity with characteristics of Sentiment, Wisdom, Creation and Immorality. These new Deities possessed little power as they were born into a panic state of being, however the Deity of Creation, Serpent who had kept some semblance of sanity, gave birth to the seeds of life. These seeds would take root in the chaos and panic over the ages, maturing into the 13 Dragon gods.

  • @ZurBar8 Once fully grown, the Dragons waged a long, hard and fierce war against Vigoor and the evil demonic gods spanning millions of years, eventually Vigoor would be defeated and the world would see peace, during which time, the first spark of human life emerge in early tribes.

    End of Part 1.

  • @ZurBar8 The Disblief is how gods die... it's i know full well it's not what we're talking about, but you asked as question and i answered it' simple as that, Nice History on Ryu's game. If Raven had his own game.. well we probably wouldn't be having this discussion =)

  • @oosuchin Ryu doesn't have his "own game". As I metioned before, Ninja Gaiden existed before DoA. History Pt 2: The youngest Dragon god felt inferior to his older brothers and a now weakened Vigoor exploited this by turning this sense of inferiority into hatred. Thus the Dark Dragon is born, and with new found power given to him by Vigoor, the Dark Dragon plunged the world into darkness and killed his older brothers. Of course, all was not lost. As the Dragon Gods began to die, they left relics.

  • @ZurBar8 These relics were the Dragon Sword (which was made from the fang of one of the dragon gods), The Eye of the Dragon (which was made from the eye of one of the dragon gods), and the Dragon Lineage (humans infused with the essence of the Dragon Gods in their souls). It was the Dragon Lineage that eventually, with the help of the dragon sword, defeated the the Dark Dragon, Vigoor and his minions(the fiends).

    If you'd like to know more go to the Ninja Gaiden Wikia.

  • *continued* also, Raven doesn't have his own game to flaunt his real abilities. think about it guys raven's true skills and power are still "unknown" meaning he could very well be more powerful then ryu exponentially. but we won't know until raven has his own game. ryu has 3  to show what he's capable of.. raven is a spin off of BLADE from the comic books/movies that's about the closest i can get to a start for him. tekken itself has turned into a juggle fest, so read my other comment

  • @oosuchin It really doesn't matter. True Ogre, Jinpachi, and Azazel are mere sub-bosses compared to what Ryu has to deal with. Ryu's power is a whole lot greater than Raven's, considering that Ryu is part god himself.

  • @ZurBar8 Raven doesn't have his own game to flaunt his real abilities. think about it guys raven's true skills and power are still "unknown" << Ryu has his own game to show how much power he has, Raven DOES NOT. So if we're talking power within fair realms, say in DOA and Tekken games ONLY "not Ninja Gaiden" then I still think Raven is more powerful. But until Raven gets his own GAME "like Nina did with Death by Degrees" the depths of his power is unknown, making him possibly stronger than Ryu

  • @oosuchin You are completely missing the point. Jin>>>Raven = Azazel>>>Raven. Are you trying to tell me that Raven may be (emphisis on "may be") stronger that Tekkens main character and strongest fighter? All because is powers are still listed as "unknown". Besides, Ryu existed long before DoA, and even then he was stronger than Raven. Even when in DoA, Ryu's fighting style is superior to Raven's.

  • @ZurBar8 Is fact Ravens true power is automatically weaker than"tekkens strongest known fighter" because his powers are unknown? Also is Ryu the main character of DoA? which would make him automatically the strongest char in DoA? Now we can't compair their fighting styles for superiority, mainly because they don't battle each other directly. but from my DoA and Tekken experience, Raven's fighting style is more powerful mainly because it's got more freedom in stratagey. "not counting jugglefest"

  • @oosuchin Once again; Are you implying Raven is stronger than Jin, or Kazuya, or Azazel, or True Ogre? And as far as I know, DoA has (at the very least) four main characters: Kasumi, Ryu, Ayane, and Helena. And yes, Ryu is a superior fighter. All you have to do is look at his movesets to see it. And remember, even though you say Raven's powers are unknown, you were the one to claim Raven can do what Ryu can do and then some.

  • @ZurBar8 Yea, I still think Raven can do what Ryu can do and then some, Raven's skill set if you look at them are suited to be a handicap against all the other fighters, he doesn't use many punching moves only his kicks have variety giving Raven a purposfully imposed handicap. I'll explain in another post how i think Raven's Unknown power makes him a misnumber

  • @ Izaac yea, what does that have to do with anything? so he defeated 3 gods and leagions of demons? Raven's mission is to PREVENT that from happening at any cost, so instead of letting the demons run wild and having to fix it, they never get the chance. Raven watches everything and eliminated the 1 person who would cause the chaos. also, if there was such a thing that happened, say a demon god. raven could handle the situation as a ninja should.

  • Ryu Hayabusa, won! Raven is some assassin with gay-ass combos, Ryu has so much attributes, i Don't Raven with a bad-ass game

  • as much as I love Tekken Ryu beat Raven. The super natral power win.

  • The day that Raven can obliterate legions of demons and reality-altering gods, I'll consider him a worthy opponent of Ryu. Until then, there is no way Raven can even dream of being Ryu's equal or better.

  • Raven's outfits win hands down every single time <3

  • i like both characters, but raven is much cooler in my opinion, this video doesn't show raven doing much more then a juggle fest, tekken isn't and shouln't be all about the juggling, also ryu was shown doing much more "ninja like" moves in his fights. anywho raven is my pick he's able to do pretty much everything ryu can do, and then some

  • @oosuchin dude are you serious, did you read ZurBar8's comment?

  • idk little is known about raven, but he can slice giant robots in half with just a little kunai and he teleports faster in my opinion n he really needs his own spin-off game like Nina Williams with Death By Degrees, so I'll give the edge to Raven, but not by much...

  • raven would lose but theyre both killers!

  • ryu

  • raven pick up big ass nancy-mj(watever) and through it nuff said

  • @Xxxkujakillerxx Ryu killed three evil gods and their armies of demons. 'Nuff said.

  • Raven is cool, but Ryu is better^^

  • I hate to this for those who are fans of raven.. But raven is never a match to Hayabusa. Hayabusa is way too much better than raven is.. Hayabusa always rocks!

  • RAVEN forever!!! his moves are killing me when i play him and he's favorite male charcter in Tekken

  • @SuperNiggaz009 Lets be logical here. Ryu has supernatural powers to decimate and annihalate Demon gods, or archfiends...twice.

    If that tells you anything, it's that asians can kickass just the same.

  • @SuperNiggaz009 Racist, just Racist, Dumb-ass Monkey

  • LOL. This is ridiculous. Ryu basically murders anyone from either Tekken or Dead or Alive universe. The shit he does in Ninja Gaiden are totally fucked up.

    This dude is like Superman.

  • @fire1202 But Kratos can fuck him up!! LOL!!!

  • @JIMPACHRAL

    He wishes. I take it you haven't played Ninja Gaiden at all. I'm not saying Kratos ain't bad ass, it's just that Ryu has command over elemental power and shit like that it ain't even funny.

    But I think we can all agree that Bayonetta > Ryu and Kratos combined. Hell, she fucking threw God into the sun!!! /sorry for the spoilers for those that haven't played the game

  • @fire1202 yea. Bayonetta would win. But I did play Ninja Gaiden.

  • @JIMPACHRAL

    Oh. I forgot about Dante from DMC. LOL. He got impaled by a sword and it was NOTHING. He even just laughed... Hell, Kratos did that to Zeus.

    Hmm... Dante vs Bayonetta. Choices, choices. It's basically boy vs girl since they're basically the same.

  • @fire1202 The creator of DMC and Bayo said that Bayonetta would beat Dante. But I can name sererval video game characters who can beat Bayonetta

  • @JIMPACHRAL

    It has to be in the same genre though (third person action-adventure), or else there wouldn't be parity.

    Still, in the third person action-adventure realm, I think Bayonetta reigns supreme. Even if Ryu and Kratos swung their blades at her, she'll just grab the sharpest point of the blades with her barehands, laugh and give a sly and cynical remark in a British accent, rant about her highheels and kill those two in a blink of an eye.

  • @fire1202 Spawn.....

  • ryu is better because he cant teleport.

  • @japorms318 i

    umm doa ys he can but his teleporting is better and looks cooler

  • Ryu wins this contest. His looks are much better than Raven's, whose looks aren't much more than muscle and a scar. Then Ryu has more grace in his fighting. And I like Ryu's outfits better than Raven's. Who wins in a fair fight is debatable, but Ryu wins this contest.

  • haha hyabusa wins flawless victory, this is a ridiculous comparison some of the shit ryu gets up to in ninja gaiden, ... he kills the devil ... i mean how does the wesleysnipesalike even compare?

  • No comparison ryu is a super ninja hes on a whole another level

  • Ryu Hayabusa always wins.

  • Ryu Hayabusa

  • is this a joke

    you cant compare raven with ryu hayabusa

    ryu hayabusa is undefeateble

    like he says: "I have no weakniss"

  • @Josimitsu No contest here Ryu wins this round.

  • Ryu wins :D ! xD his sword is made out of a dragons tooth :P

  • Ryu ftw !!!!

  • ryu ryu ryu

    HAYABUSA

  • round 4 ryu raven and the one from soul calber too

  • Ryu Hayabusa wins

  • Round 1: Ryo

    Round 2: Raven

    Round 3: Ryo

    [ I Really Love Tekken!!!, but Ryo wins!!]

  • I'm sorry but this isn't even a contest. Mr. Ryu Hayabusa wins, hands down.

  • Oh and by the way Ryu's magic inhances his physical abilities as well

  • Ryu is a better ninja and even if he did not have all of that magical stuff he'd still whoop the shit out of Raven WHY? because Ryu has alot more discipline and was traiing as a ninja ever since he was a kid

  • hayabusa rules

  • Raven need help from Yoshimitsu OMG.. Thats dumb Hayabusa will beat them both at the same time and even though in tag team battle Ryu Will summon Hayate his best ninja helper and they will become invincible to be beaten

  • cant realy compare

    they are from different types of games raven fights againts the best fighters in the world and ryu guy seems to be fighting againts other ninjas and monsters and stuff,,

    then if that is who i recal it to be ryu uses more weapons than raven..thou the fight would be cool one to see

  • Ryuuu Hayabusa Wins overall. . .

  • Ryu owns man........Raven is good ...but god dayum...Ninja Gaiden sigma 2.....there is no way Raven can handle that Shit.......specially with a scythe that is as big as my ego

  • I'm a huge tekken fan..

    But tekken fanboys..please stop..

    It's not about the game..

    it's about ryu and raven..

    so quit talking shit..

  • Hayabusa will win

    but i also like raven

  • Can Raven fight like Ryu as in my respone clip? if u have noticed in tekken, u can punch to dead after the opponent character fly into air, which i think is not cool. and also the hit is coloured with some soft of explosion. i like both tekken n doa, but if u have ever played ninja gaiden, u'll know what ryu is like. he doesnt work for any agency by the way. nobody can control him. so pls try the ninja gaiden 1 & 2 to master mode level if u have guts , u Raven fun boys.

  • Raven rules man!

  • Raven hands down true practioner of ninjitsu not some made up tenshin shit. and if not raven yoshimitsu can tear fucking Ryu apart with his made up manji style of ninjitsu.

  • ... Lol... Yeah right...

    I'll believe that when i see it.

  • Of course the Legendary Dragon Ninja wins Ryu Hayabusa... Hayabusa is unstoppable

  • fuck that just because he a star of ninja gaiden dont mean shit. Raven is the shit he's black he's a ninja and his juggles are insane if used right.

  • i'm a tekken fan and i think hayabusa wins because i like his his moves better and he has emotions than raven,raven is weird

  • Raven stands on a fucking jet plane while it is moving. Isn't that enough 4 you people?

  • - Ryu jumped off the Empire State building .

    - Ryu can control Fire,Ice,Lightning and gravity.

    -Ryu jumped off a jet and landed in an airplane.

  • I do not give a shit!!!!!! Tekken is more real so its not even like Ryu can exist in real life

  • Oh and Raven can right?

    The Devil gene is so real or some guy in his 90's getting blown up and staying alive is also full of Realness.

  • You cannot compare the realness of Tekken to dead or alive. Tekken is way more real. The devil gene only leaves questioning. I am not saying that Ryu is not cool. He is an excellent character.

  • Tell me 1 unreal thing about DOA other than Tengu and Ninpo techniques.

    Tekken is more unreal,dont take me wrong but thats what makes Tekken great.

  • So you like Tekken better? I only have and played DOA 3 but my bud tells me that it is more unreal. They both get 5 stars though

  • I like the fact of the counters in Doa they look much better than tekken,But tekken is just Brutal!

  • atleast doa doesn't have bears/pandas fighting or kangaroos and raptors or the fact that every punch/kick shows colorful energy. If you can't even tell what's more realistic and whats not then I don't know what planet you come from your probrably one of those aliens from tekken.

  • Dead or alive has the wackest physics.  Leave me alone. I already argued with Nicholas. Im not saying doa is a bad game. Go away

  • No contest Ryu wins hands down

  • @Nicholas121093 landed in an airplane? where!?!

  • @cfG21 i think he meant to say that ryu jumped out of a helicopter and landed on an aircraft/carrier. he jumped out of sonia's helicopter and landed on the flying fortress daedelus. ryu is the best. hands down.

  • Ryu just has the "ninja-feel' to him.

  • RYU WINS ALL!

  • definitely Ryu

  • I reckon Hayabusa has this one, mainly because he's a FAR more unrealistic, and albeit higher-powered rendition of what a ninja is actually like.

  • in terms of a fast smooth fighting system where u not in the air half the time or waiting your turn to hit ill go with DOA but if im looking for a good storyline and some interesting characters ill go with Tekken:

    DOA

    VF

    TEKKEN

    Soul Calibur

  • tekken sucks DOA rocks and ryu hayabusa yeah!!!!!!!!!! and Ninja Gaiden!!!!!

  • my opinion Hayabusa is much better cuz he has more experience being a ninja and i like DOA better cuz the characters are faster and they can counter

  • Hayabusa FTW! Consider all the flippin' demons and beasts he's taken down. I haven't seen Raven do any demon hunting yet...and even then I'd still pick Ryu. So bring on the thumbsdown!

  • Yeah, aside from Ryu, Tekken owns DOA.

  • It's because Raven is a far more realistic rendition of what a real ninja is like... and even HE'S exaggerated.

  • I love Tekken but I hate Tekken fanboys. And I don't think Tekken is a jugglefest. =/

  • I agree with you 100%. I love both DOA and Tekken but these Tekken fanboys need to stop. >_>

  • Raven is better and u guys know wat Raven isnt really his name its just his code name

  • Ryu is hotter in his Ninja Gaiden suit...;)

  • no not even raven

    hands down tekken!

    FTW!

    played doa before

    got messed up with everything...

    so i stuck with tekken... doa isnt good TO ME

    i dont with you all out there.. but tekken is hands down the best

    no disrespect for vf or doa players out there ^.^

  • To me Raven's the best.

  • Sorry to point this out to all the DoA players and fans, but I don't belie this video asked, "How do you think is the better, more fantasized fighter?"

    Totally contradicted what you just said in your own statement.

  • I don't care if DOA fans bash me but I'm going to give a more realistic approach to this battle.

    Tekken's fighting styles is based on real martial arts. DOA is also, but majority of those moves can never be pulled off. Also some of Tekken's moves can't be done either, but majority are capable.

    Ninja's don't move in quick lighting speed, they use take down maneuvers. More so like Raven's style. So realistic wise. Raven would win.

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  • i think if a game is to realistic it can be boring u need some exagerating so its keeps ur attention dats just my opinion

  • DOA or Tekken fans say crap, but a smart perosn know that Tekken are based on popular martial arts.

    In terms of the "real ninja", you have to go with Raven.

    Ryu is more sterotype. no offense.

  • clearly CloudyandRain you don't know what stereortype means. How's ryu a stereotype aside from his first uniform his later more muscular one breaks that in so many ways plus he uses a bow and all other weapons not just ninjato or ninja star If ryu hayabusa is a stereotype he'd be sneaking around getting his ass kicked like how they use stereotypical ninjas but ryu hayabusa is a fantasy kind of ninja he breaks stereotypical ninjas in so many ways.

  • HAYABUSA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!­!!!!!! he's a total ninja i mean come on, no argument. he looks better than that wesly snipes knockoff and is just plain well made.....

    looking at this their pretty close omg! never notice their resemblence, wow.

  • Ryu rules non ninja is better than him

  • no raven wins hands down no dout

  • Ryu cool, but terms of moves, Raven has them and accurately.

  • True, considering that most of ninjutsu's moves are based around grappling, like Raven's.

  • im going to bash Tekken players, NOT the game Tekken but the players. .

    You Tekken fan sit and bash the hell out of DOA about how its not realistic. WTF..and panda and a bear? no.. no a damn tree are in this game... fighting?? but DOA isnt't realistic? I'd rather have a anime looking game then a damn panda,a brear, a tree, and a kangaroo as fighters.>.>

  • I totally agree with you. tekken is truly more unrealistic in that way and doa I don't know anyone who is non human there. plus in tekken you always have those colored energy things coming out everytime you hit, it's cool and fun to the game but is more unrealistic as doa doesn't use them (or even needs to)

    Tekken is fun and I play it but I like doa better. The tek fans are always saying stuff bad about doa which turns out to be what's in tekken and dissing people who like doa more !OPINION!

  • That's your opinion, but isn't a fact.

    Plus, Tekken don't have colored energy things.

    Out of gameplay and 'BASED" ON realstic...it's Tekken.

    They actually did research on popular matrial arts moves than DOA people.

    Fighting game don't have realsitc fights, but Viruta Fighter and Tekken are close to be realstic than DOA.

  • Dude,Researched.

    Namco didn't totally use their imagations to create a kicking, karakate, caperioa, judeo, streetfighing and so so.

    They researched these martial arts. If they didn't, then these real matrial arts would have a fit and the game is a completely joke.

    It based on it. Look a wiki or websites

    Besides, in terms in gameplay, Tekken has the advantage because they focus on timing . Time makes up the speed and more stragetic game.

  • I said "Based", not "are"

    All fighitng games aren't realstic.

    Note:

    Virtura Fighter is realstic because of the depth gameplay, not the fighting which most people said it. (based on it.)

  • thank you for teling me to reasearch eventhough I've done that about 5000x in tekken wiki which most recently 5 hours ago.

    yes they do have those colored things coming out example jin kazama has lighting along with all of his other paternal relatives except for jinpachi. play tekken again and do those heavy hits and you'll see those things come out each time you punch and kick

  • Umm... I hate to point it out but DOA has Tengu the-cock-nosed-wingy-thingy (I hate him). I think Tekken fans would prefer to play their game because they (most of them) can't keep up with the fast-paced interface on DOA. (Just my opinion)

  • Are we really going there about "real" in a video game? See thats the thing. Its a game, why make it so real? If we could do that stuff irl, wouldn't be a point to make a game of it. =/

  • you'd be surprise. Doesn't matter what color your skin is. If you got the moves and skill to be ninja then hell go for it. A black ninja is more deadlier than an Asain one. But in this case. Its hand's down for my man Ryu Hayabusa

  • That's just racist. It doesn't matter what skin color you have. You can still be a ninja. Not all ninjas have to be Japanese you know. Although I do like Ryu more than Raven.

  • It's not racist I DIDN'T say that black guys can't be ninja's I just thinkthat japanese guys are more believebla...

  • It's ironic you say that, because real ninjutsu consists of using your body's weight and basic techniques to perform takedowns in order to escape. It's similiar to what Raven does. This whole super ninja ideal is a fabricated one to say the least.

  • so? ryu is still a better ninja and that's what this video is about...

    "Who is the better ninja" and even if Ryu is less realistic he's still the better ninja ...

  • Read that again and tell me why it's faulty.

  • no idea what you're talking about, you tell me

  • Never mind...