@wheresmycookie2196 Explain please, 22 is an awfully exact number and no doubt that many died getting the stones to site and erecting them. I'm interested in hearing your evidence for so few, and the postmortem anaylsis on the bones proving they died in thje construction that by any other means. Can I have these 22 people's names plz. Pugh,Pugh, Barney McGrew, Cuthbert, Dibble and Grub by any chance?
The spiral rock carvings represent the spiral energy forms of the many underground streams which amplify the geo-magnetic and solar energy, especially during the Equinoxes. It is part of a large energy network of stone temples, obilisks and pyramids that span the globe, similar to our modern telecommunications system.
@vincegill2 Sorry, but I must have missed something after visiting and studying this monument hundreds of times. What spiral rock carvings? There are none at Stonehenge. Infact, spiral megalithic art is only common in Ireland and found occasionally in Scotland and Wales. Stonehenge does have ancient carvings, mainly totemic axe and dagger carvings and the possible hint of beaker style zig zags.
I have a sense that MrDaleaaa's 1st language is not English, so it might be difficult to understand most of what he's trying to convey.
That said, although it's true that the Moon has an 11.5 year cycle, it also has recurrent (and interesting) cycles with regard to orbital anomalies & horizonal configs with regard to apo- & perigee that seem to be in keeping with the seemingly peculiar placement of the Station Stones at Stonehenge.
The people who designed & built it were really quite bright.
@10Feanor go to a documentery about chaocho canyon (national geographics i think you can also see a corasponding change in weather .i don't know of an 11.5 its the minium.maximum cycle .in 1987 i think the moon was at the minimum.don't listen to propaganda find out
@paperorpaper :D most probably texas hold'em, full-tilt may have been too harsh lol i'd laugh if it was like "last one to stand up a stone does the cooking tonight!!" and for centuries professors, doctors, engineers still wonderin y it was built.
@JohnJuanUnited Thinking outside of the box is all well and good, but don't assume we're all morons here who don't know Stonehenge or the landscape. I've been living around SH for years. I can tell you - there's no mountains to chip off the stone from. these stones are not native to the area. They are North Wiltshire grey wether. The heel stone is the only likely to have always been there, because it's not sarsen. Also you ignore Bluestone which is only found in Wales, 150miles away.
@JohnJuanUnited Sarsen stones (the larger stones at SH) were common around Wiltshire (where SH is) Hampshire & Dorset & probably even more abundant in the neolithic. A lot was utilised in the last 1000yrs for building thus removing much of the evidence, The Marlborough Downs however (20miles) is now the only area nearby SH with the highest density of stones and these same ones were utilised for building Avebury Stone Circle, much bigger than SH. As you say, the simple answer is the right one.
The researches of R. Frank, a scholar at the University of Iowa, suggest that the Basques were far-advanced in navigational skills and other aspects of technology long before the rise of the Roman Empire. The Basques, she believes, are the last remnants of the megalith builders, who left behind dolmens, standing stones, and other rock structures all across Europe and perhaps even in eastern North America.
The Basques are the original Europeans and they( i am Basque) are really adventurous people so i wouldnt be surprised if these people were related to Basques.
@JorgeLorenzoSpain100 Some of them are! Isotope testing of some of the remains around SH recently has showed that people from the Bronze age definately entered Britain through Iberia. Some of the richest burials have Breton/Iberian roots. Breton daggers have been found, we even have a carving on a stone called the "iberian torso."
I'm fascinated with the Basque peoples and their language. You are welcome to contact me. I'd like to ask you some questions.
Nothing would please me more than to answer every question all three of you have regarding the construction - and the purpose - of the Henge.
If you would all be kind enough to go to my U-Toob homepage and leave me your e-mail addresses, I will be happy to explain all of these very valid questions in the detail they deserve.
It is impossible to do so under the constraint of a 500 word forum.
Thank you for your kind attention, and I look forward to clarifying some of these issues in detail.
It was thousands of years ago. It's ultimately impossible to know what exactly this structure was built for or how it was built. Technology might have actually been quite advanced for all we know. The world was a different place altogether, it's just a mystery.
SECTION 7: why wouldn't they have gone back and fixed the ones which fell? I feel the reason is that they did not use temporary dirt ramps ~ they dug holes, 'planted' the uprights, then dragged the lentils over them. When they removed the dirt, some of the structures fell. But their "tool" (the dirt) was already gone then, so they couldn't repeat the process.
@FLSHBK1 The first fell @1000bc at the decline of the monument & culture. Maybe there just wasn't the religious need or the knowledge able to replace it. Built 1000yrs earlier, that's a lot of generations past to forget,and maybe the exact techniques used were kept secret? This was at the beginning of the Iron Age then which brought huge religious and social change. Climatically the weather deteriorated and there was plague and disease.Maybe there wasn't the need for these type of monuments?
Preposterous twaddle. You appear to be entirely ignorant of the definitive thesis expounded by Derek Von Heineken in "Skateboards of the Gods!", incontrovertibly demonstrating that Stonehenge represents the remains of a game of Mah Jongg abandoned by hyper-intelligent beings from the Sirius star system after they got bored and went back to playing pool with the planets. Yours is precisely the kind of half-baked claptrap that brings serious research into disrepute.
@10Feanor Dont know if you were tuned into the tv or something when you quoted "ERICK Von Daniken" but its "Chariots of the Gods" not "Skateboards" lol. Maybe you were watching something about Skate boarding that filtered through to your typing? Its happened to me before too lmao.
As is often the case in these matters, I must have been confused, yes. My esteemed sources assure me that using Spinal Tap and Monty Python as anchors for my studious research is the solid approach.
I do find it interesting that shortly after the Rendlesham affair these pesky Crop-Circles began to show up, bolstering the argument that Senior Intelligences are at work to create the preposterous supposition that the Great Henge was completed by Humans in the 2nd Millennium BC.
SECTION 6: a staggering project? The total mass of elevated lentils has to outweigh that of our individual homes. I honestly suggest mankind had developed no means of lifting such weight at that time. Ergo, they did it some SIMPLE way. Building 30ft "mobile hills" and moving the dirt to each location doesn't sound reasonable to me either, considering the close proximity of the uprights. Existing structures would interfere with building the next one. And if they DID use 'mobile mounds', (Contd):
SECTION 5: uprights into in the first place. Fair consideration. I wasn't there (neither were any of you) and nobody left any notes, so I don't know. I just want to hear y'all tell me why we think these dirt people had the technological advancement to do it any other way. They were barely out of the stone age when this project began. The world's greatest advancement by that time had been bronze swords. So in the absence of any real technology, what methods are left to let them build such (Contd)
SECTION 4: had hand tools to do this amazing work with. The only (only) method I can picture, which would not have predated known advancement of construction, would be to drop the uprights into holes, slide the lentils over them, then remove the dirt. JohnJuanUnited and I never met, live far apart and have not collaborated on this, but we both arrived at the same hypothesis independently. John's challenge is whether or not they could have dug 30ft pits (air supply, etc) to sink the (contd)
SECTION 3: it would have revolutionized building techniques around the globe in short order. And they certainly would have used it to build fortified homes and cities. Two thousand years later, the advanced Greeks and Romans were still building their columns in slices, like stacked coins, to make them liftable. If the dirt farmers who built SH had a device to lift rocks this huge 2,000 yrs earlier, why wouldn't the enlightened world use it on the Acropolis? No, these simple dirt farmers (Contd)
SECTION 2: two dozen Cadillacs to a height of 30ft. I've read your supposition of 75 men lifting 90,000lbs using 'big tripods and heavy rope'. What evidence have we of that method, please? If this is simply your suggestion, please say it that way. If you have scientific evidence of this PLEASE share it. In fairness, I try picturing any wooden structure, lashed together by handmade hemp, lifting 45tons. Fail. If these primitives HAD invented a structure capable of lifting such weight, (Contd):
SECTION 1: I am not so advanced that I can argue WHY SH was built. I want to focus please on HOW it was constructed. I consider the consecutive generations of primitive people who did this, and the simple tools they had at hand. Feanor no offense, but I consider your casual assertion that the lentils were "then lifted into place" to be undeserving of serious consideration unless you can please describe the physical details of how you think primitives repeatedly lifted the weight of (Cntd)
As mentioned, the lintels were secured by mortise & tenon joints, locking them into place. The 6* end-cuts were made so the upper ring would appear as a smooth circle. (360* divided by 60 end-cuts = 6*)
The reason many have fallen is because, for each to achieve a uniform height, the pits were dug to different depths. Some Stones were buried to shallow & over time (4,000 years) over half have fallen.
The 22' East Trilithon for example, was only buried to 5', which doomed it to eventual collapse.
They had big tripods made of big logs. They had heavy rope. They 1st spent a long time shaping the Stone - tapering & cutting the top tenons. Then they agreed upon a height, measured the Stone (they were all different lengths), subtracted the necessary depth of the hole, hoisted them up & slid them into place. It took 75 men to pull on the ropes.
The lintels were then end-cut at 6 degrees & 2 mortises were carved into each, matching the tenons on the uprights.
@10Feanor Sir, I want to believe you. Please provide some solid evidence of this being the method they used. I agree we could each hypothesize individual methods for primitive peoples to place 45ton lentils atop 30ft uprights without knocking everything down. But none of us was there, no written record exists of the actual method, and frankly, many of the methods simply don't sound doable even for today's technology. I suspect primitive people used simple methods, like burying & uncovering them.
@10Feanor Due to my own ignorance, I get frustrated when someone casually asserts "these were then lifted into place". BY WHAT MEANS, please? The wheel wasn't invented for another 1500 years; the compound pulley for more than another 3,000yrs. I ask you, sir ~ if we tasked you and your mates to build just ONE of these structures next month, using no machines and only wooden hand tools available 4500 years ago, WHAT METHOD WOULD YOU USE?
As in any engineering project, I'm sure several options were considered. It's possible that the 'sand dune' method was among them. As mentioned previously, they would have had to dig a hole to support the stones while they piled earth around it, so why do the same job twice?
Also, there is no physical evidence that they did it that way - and there would be plenty within the site.
Clarification: The 30 ring-sarsens are 25 tons each. The 10 Trilithons are up to 45 tons.
"The Learned Maurice says, Cushites, i.e, Celts built the great temples in India and Britian and excavated the caves of the former.And the Learned Mathematician Reuben Burrow has no hesitation in pronouncing STONEHENGE to be a temple of the Black, curly-headed Buddha."
Some can't handle the fact these people are provably our direct ancestors. They'd believe these noble savages had just disappeared, in a time when people were in tune! Being "in tune" simply means they forged their existence from the land the same as a farmer today gets to know his land & when to harvest. The SH people were the same, nothing mystical about how they lived. They didn't need to make SH to be able to tell the time or plant crops. Instinct achieves that.
Often in culturally static moments, those who look back in distant history 'through a glass darkly', so to say, find themselves with a need to codify or crystallize the view. We see this very often.
It is a simplistic view, as nothing that transpired over that vast span of time could fail to evolve - particularly since we know that people in great numbers came from a thousand miles to visit the Henge. Blood, customs & technology were all blended together.
It is a National Geographic supposition intending to dramatize and clarify the origin, construction technique and purpose of the Salisbury Great Henge.
@10Feanor Hi. you know, I'm astounded by the backlash this documentary seems to have generated in some, aren't you? I love this docu myself and think it's by the far the most clarified and humanised representation of what was happening at that time. It's shaken some beliefs and misconceptions in people towards our prehistoric ancestors. It's not what many of us were taught in school about shaggy caveman is it? No druids in sight, no fluffy stone huggers. Back to the drawing board for some!
The language they used for the people in the docu got many hung up. They had to use something primitive sounding for god's sake! Probably a proto-celtic language, mix of Breton/Welsh. This explains when others came in it was easier to communicate. In East Kent there's a site where lots of different nations lived and worshipped together. There must have been a language of trade for them all to communicate, or perhaps a lot western Europe was speaking the same language with regional variations.
The enormity of the project and its social/religious ramifications most certainly spiraled out from the Island to the Continent, drawing many to the site, bringing tools, techniques and of course Language. Wouldn't it be interesting to discover that the origins of Celtic & Welsh, et.al. find their source in Germania or Gaul?
We think of 4 or 500 years as being a long time. How must their mixing cultures have evolved over the 2,500 or so years that the Henge was in Operation?
The most recent discovery about celtic languages proposes that the Beaker people brought it over much earlier. Less the germanic branch, but the western atlantic branch. Most of Spain was celtic speaking prior to the Romans, with a few unknown languages, Basque etc. Those could have been the language of the neolithic peoples. We're beginning to wonder about the entirety of western Europe, right to Norway, they may have spoken a similiar language and thus make themselves far more understood.
Unfortunately, I can't speak to the origin of the languages at that time. (No pun intended! lol)
But it is fascinating to consider in light of recent discoveries & the more thoughtful postulations. I've always had a sense that the unique relationship natives & visitors shared must have evolved into a rather sophisticated, even cosmopolitan social fabric, introducing any variety of cultural probabilities.
This would render in-fighting on a large scale less likely till the culture itself matured.
One of the things that drew me to this site was the 'Humanistic' way in which the people are portrayed. They spent a lot of money doing it right. I hope you've seen all 10 installments (Here on the TooB) because it shows cause/effect, ritual/daily life, focus/common mistake. Well made all around.
Yes - lots of ppl will be scratching their heads in response to what they perceive as our ancestors behaving as we do, warts and all.
Well, since there's literally tons of solid, verifiable, incontrovertible evidence that both the StoneHenge Sarsens and the Rapa Nui Aku's were raised by regular, normal, everyday Humans, and that it's proved beyond the shadow of any doubt that Joseph Smith's "Nephilim" are an elaborately contrived hoax, invented in 1830 to get him money, fame and women, I would have to say:
@10Feanor@10Feanor Ok...First off Im pick up on your sarcasm, which already renders you an inadequate source of information, as it "identifies a weak mind". Secondly, you make claims without any backing or evidence. Just to say there is "tons of evidence" is hardly sufficient.
@10Feanor Thirdly, if you knew anything at all, and I do mean ANYTHING about this topic you would know that the ancient Sumarians wrote about the Nephilum 4500 years ago, long before the founder of Mormanism was even thing about being born. It was a legitimate question of which I had hoped to gain some insight, none of which I expect from you.
Clearly, it's You who are assigning a motivation to My words.
If there were more than 500 characters allowed here, I would be happy to discuss 'The Evidence', as would (I'm sure) the other informed member, SonOfHerne.
I wonder if you'd read it ...
I have trolled this StoneHenge forum for 2 years now, & am quite familiar with the types of comments & responses made on it. Yours is fairly typical.
If you'd care to have a rational discussion re: the Henge, I will make myself available.
@10Feanor "NO! - no one ever thought of that." = Obvious Sarcasm. I dont assume to assign motivation as much as I do try and interpret what it is you are trying to express, which in this case seems quite apparent. In 500 characters it would seem quite easy to provide me a few sources to back your claim that J.S. invented the Nephilum. Please, I would be very interested to see them.
@10Feanor In addition, you speak of sonofherne as the "other informed member". Am I to assume it is only the two of you that have uncovered this amazing secret in biblical history?? Did Joe Smith invent the Sumarians aswell? <---sarcasm. If you truly want to speak about evidence you must look at it from both sides, from many perspectives, with an open mind. I doubt your capacity to do this.
I have no idea what SonOfHerne knows of biblical history, nor is this the forum to find out. (I believe this is a forum about StoneHenge)
But he does know a lot about the accurate placement of the Henge in the historical record, which is why I mention him. We have actually crossed swords once or twice, though more through misunderstanding than actual disagreement of fact.
In any case, the "Place of Forever" was designed & built by Humans and the evidence for this is overwhelming.
@10Feanor@Inu4kagome Thank you for clairification. I will look at the evidence as best I can with limited resource, but I am still intriuged of by the J.S. Stetement. Can you point me in the right direction?
The remark about the Nephilim was a tossed-off phrase, I admit. Yes, you're correct about a belief in the Nephilim being "In Existence" during the time of the Sumerians. Their more relevant and modern incarnation however would be the LDS, so this is what prompted the remark. I made a leap in assuming that this was your reference too.
JS used many arcane, confused references when constructing a foundation for the Mormons, & because no one at the time knew any better, they bought it.
With regard to the Great Henge, I have prepared a short, 15 page paper that outlines some of the more fundamental aspects of its purpose, construction and longevity. (With illustrations!) hee hee. It covers some of the old assumptive traditions about the Henge, as well as the latest facts.
This was intended for, and should be read as, a breezy magazine article.
Go to my U-Tube home page and post me your e-mail addy and I'll ship it off.
Not to be rude but I really think stonehenge wasn't completed I mean look at it, it's poorly constructed, so it it had to tip over many times and it was too frustrating for them and they gave up. So I believe that this was a monumental blunder and it was abandoned. Just cause its old doesn't mean it's not a old mistake
I'm not sure why you think your comment could be considered rude ...
There had been a lot of conjecture about this point - that it was never finished. Studies have shown that in fact it was. There are remnants, filled ground sockets and other evidence for all 30 Sarsens as well as lintel fragments and bluestone placements that further indicate completion.
BTW - any structure that's 4,500 years old will look 'poorly constructed'. In truth Great Henge was built by exact engineering standards.
any of these larg projects wre biult by slave not highly motivated people. the pyramid the castls the great wall slaves .they say ho is beautful .i look at them and what i see is dead slaves
@10Feanor the moon has a 18.5 year cycle and a 9.25 cycle so do earth quaks ask the japanes what book would you recomend .the referance to the sky is falling mean fear mugering .to emprov my spelling their would have to be no dyslexia.and i would have to take a typing class.and there is still slavery its called minimum wage the slave owner don't have to care for their slavs that way.and i bet that was an esult so eat shit and die if it wasn't then you have my deepest apolloge
@Spedster777 you say that i'm wrong but you don't site any info on the subject .i have worked with people that could do those things like stone henge all the need is the labors they can't do it now because you can't outwordly inslave people so that makes it to much money to do .as for your points i see no sense to yours there has been no end to slavery it just changes names
@MrDaleaaaa I don't think somebody who can't spell or cannot user proper conventions and grammar can possibly work with people "who could do stuff like stone henge" (BTW that makes no sense).
I am not correcting you on your stonehenge information, as I do not know much about the monument itself. I am correcting you on your astronomical data.
The Moon doesn't have a 18.5 year cycle or a 9.25 year cycle. It has a 11.5 year cycle, no other cycle except for the monthly phase cycle.
Iconographic Monuments such as Stonehenge, the Pyramids or Gobleki Tepi, to name 3, were not the work of slave-labor. These multi-generational buildings came from the labor-force of a willing populace. Sort of a DPW. Egypt never even had slaves until very late in its history - long after the Pyramids were finished.
The concept of wage-slaves in modern times has an entirely different social motivation.
Building a modern Stonehenge would be irrelevant to our belief-systems today.
maybe they only work on it in the winter when they couldn't farm then and all they would need for suport them would be a few hunters and the stored grainand other farm goods. they always try to make out that its so impossible .i use to get hugh rounds of wood in to the back of my truck and my back is mest up . not matter who is stronger matter who is smartter.thses people could wip produces from wild resorces without even thinking about it
@Chronixization101 They used cranes to re-erect and straighten some of the fallen stones during the 1960's. Correct. Contrary to conspiracy theories, the stones were not all blown over, taken out or repositioned. The repairs were meticulously documented and public were allowed to view everything that was going on.
They used cranes to re-erect and straighten some of the fallen stones during the 1960's. Correct. Contrary to conspiracy theories, the stones were not all blown over, taken out or repositioned. The repairs were meticulously documented and public were allowed to view everything that was going on.
Stonehenge and many other ruins like it were built by the Druids. These Druids were Celtic High Priests a pagan people. They built these as observatories to witness events taken place in the sky such as full moons, eclipses, the solstice's and equinox's and the 12 major constellations as the sun passed through the ages.
Complete rubbish. Megaliths were built by neolithic and bronze age farmers, nothing to do with the druids who came 2000 yrs later and didn't have a tradition of erecting megaliths. You are offering an out of date and all too simplistic answer to a site which cover over 8,000yrs of ritual worship. Hundreds of cremated remains are buried inside the henge and under those stones. That's not what you do if it's an observatory. Many tombs are also aligned to the sun & the moon. Are they calendars too?
The Salisbury Great Henge predates the Druids by at least 2,500 years. So does every Henge in the UK. (There are around 300 of them) I realize it's difficult to grasp such a span, so think of it this way. From now, 2,500 years ago was about the time Rome was founded. There were Druids & Celts in Britain then, yes, but StoneHenge was completed 2,000 years before that.
The Builders loved their ancestors & called it: The Place of Forever - a cemetery for dignitaries, aligned with High Solstice.
In ancient times...hundreds of years before the dawn of history lived a strange race, the Druids. No one knew who they were or...what they were doin' But their legacy remains, hewn into the living rock....of Stone 'enge....
um ... there were no Druids when the Great Henge was built, Tom. It's a great deal older than any people that we can identify in the UK. There were no Druids, Picts, Celts. No Welshmen or anyone we know in Cornwall.
The Henge was built by the 'Beaker' People, and we only call them that because we've found a few jars that they made.
The StoneHenge Complex is between 45 and 60 centuries old. Think: Age of the Pyramids. The Druids showed up around 250 BC.
@TomthatiscalledTom Did you actually watch that movie properly? Stonehenge is featured for about 4 mins in total. It doesn't explain anything. It was a spoof of Black Sabbath who did the same thing, only when they asked for a henge set to be built it turned out bigger than anticipated, not smaller.
@sonofherne Yes I did watch it in total. And only Nigel Tufnel knows the truth about 'the little children of Stone 'enge' and how the monument was built. If you take the top stone off each of the triptych, what do you get? Eleven, eleven, eleven.....
@gah964 Because it's an open air monument and always has been? Not sure how long birds have nested in the stones, if in ancient times they would be considered as messengers of the gods and have been revered. What would you do to stop them, place spikes all over the stones or poison them? Animal rights would have a field day. It all washes off at the end of the day. The most damage is done by tourists actually, that's what you should be concerned about!
Did it ever cross anyones mind that it was possibly a landing site for aliens, i mean during this time there were egyptians making pyramids and for man to get all the way to england must have been a great journey unless aliens took them there and commanded them to create a landing site for them.
When the Great Henge was built, there were no English, Celts, Picts, Druids or Welsh. This thing predates most (but not all) of the Pyramids. Did they have dark skin? Who knows - but it's very unlikely. But they were certainly a different 'Race'.
The present UK residents - including the Welsh - in no way resemble the occupants even at the time of the Romans - 2,500 years After the Henge was constructed.
@10Feanor How do you figure? Recent DNA has proven you 100% wrong! Infact, a huge majority of native brits descend from hunter gathers or neolithic farmers. You are more likely to be descended from the people of Stonehenge than a later saxon or viking. Different race, bah! The skulls of burials around the henge are caucasian as is the dna. They didn't die out, they are our ancestors.
You're implying I said something that I didn't, sir. Reading more carefully (and perhaps a bit further back in this forum) you'll see that I was responding to another person who'd made assumptions with regard to the origins of the people who built the Henge.
I reiterate: There were no Druids, Picts, Celts or Welsh at the time the Great Henge was built.
Of course the Beaker People can be ancestrally traced to these others as well as us. They were not a 'Different Race'.
In re-reading the source of SonOfHerne's marginally caustic reply, I now see how he arrived at his critique of my comment. I stand corrected in my usage and concede the mis-wording of my previous 'Race' statement. Although I stand by my contention that there must be some minor racial differences, at no time did I intend to infer that Modern & 8,000 year-old Occidentals don't swim in the same gene-pool.
Im Welsh and am disgusted when I have to pay to see Stonehenge, it was my ancestors that built the f**king thing and Ive gotta pay some anglo-saxon to see it!!
and I also hate it when those druged up hippies go there and fuck around with it!! Bydd y Celtiaid yn codi eto Lloegr
@Gillius I'm disgusted at your lack of education & bigoted racism. You're welsh, be proud, not marginalised. Your ancestors wouldn't have considered themselves welsh. Only half the stones are from wales. Most english now share exactly the same dna with the welsh, especially here in West England. Saxon dna is present in 5% of the population. Were descendants of hunter gatherers & neolithic farmers. The only thing I agree with you on is the hippy thing.
...well, friend. I think it's something to do with Britian (especially that part) was lush vegitation and almost tropical climes...And I suppose they don't speak English because that time was the language of Druids, Picts and Celts...
@deldred69 the misiformation is the chirtians doing thats why the moon isn't in meaterology the moon has a 9 year and 18 year cycle so does the weather bt thy never use that .eathquaks also have the same cycle .volcanic eruptions to but chritian want to say it bibliccal it biblical the sky is falling so that they can manipulate the sheeple.the us goverment is doing the same thing .its only going to get hoter it want cycle back to cool that would maen thing whern't cyclecal they linear
@BritishBeliever Are you stupid the English didn't exist back then, they didn't build Stonehenge, it was the Celts and Druids and that language is ancient, definantly not Welsh though, you need to learn history, just because they are located in england doesn't mean it's english!!
Yeah i understand they spoke a diffrent language but they were not a dfiffrent race they were part of the white race, Next you will be telling me theyre were black vikings....
@GilliusThunderFart7 I say again, neither did the welsh exist backthen! The celts didn't build stonehenge either. It's nothing to do with druids who came 2000yrs later. It's funny because you seem to know a certain amount of history, but clearly you seem hung up with the idea of race. Most Brits have ancestry back at least 5,000yrs to our little island we share. Embrace that, and don't get hung up on false race arguments that the Victorians invented to divide us.
@BritishBeliever They wouldn't have spoken modern english (a mixture of latin, saxon & french for good measure) The original language would have been a proto-celtic one. Perhaps similiar to Breton/Welsh. The documentary was merely trying to show a primitive language they might have spoken, but the fact is we probably will never know quite what dialect they spoke. Not sure why they chose to represent the peoples as being dark skinned, theyre white caucasian, we have their bones to prove it!
A Brit teevee show 'TIme Team' did a special on Stonehenge and its' link with the river and the woodhenge that blew all of the various theories outta the water...it is at the end of a processional journey of people going to visit the stones that represented dead ancestors....no other theories are any good anymore
People have consistently isolated the various sites on the Plain - studying them as individual icons - instead of viewing the whole as an interwoven tapestry.
It only makes sense that several of them would be linked.
One of the reasons they weren't thought as linked originally was dating. They'd other sites dated earlier than SH. Now they've been able to refine the dating and they're contemporary with each other. Water is usually a very strong linking factor to building anything from towns to religious architecture. From a spiritual stand, it represents the crossroads between this world & the next. Votive offerings would be dropped in along with cremations.The bluestones even allegedly traveled there by it.
I have always been intrigued that most of the major sites at that vicinity in Wiltshire mostly corresponded with the Henge and its peripherals. The one location that's always had me baffled is the Cursus. Predating the Henge and even its culture ... what the Heck was That for!?
There's a brilliant new book out on Cursuses. The Dorset one is even more striking and unbelievably extensive. I've asked many archaeologists and just aren't satisfied with any of the current explanations of spirit paths, ceremonial enclosures or spiritual barriers between lands of the dead and living. They also seem devoid of much material evidence too.
The Dorset Cursus is amazing, yes. Mile after mile and unknown till there were aircraft. I've tried to trace it on GE with limited success.
I followed the whole 'Division-Of-Life-&-Death' thing for a while, but that doesn't really track if they built it before there was a: Land-Of-The-Dead, i.e. the Henge & environs.
So far (in my view) Parker-Pierson is on the right track re: WoodHenge/StoneHenge - but none of this explains the Cursus.
i think the zodiacs and 2012 the allignment ofplanets havesomething to do with it. i had a dream well it was more like a vision about it all i remember is dark blue skies and beams of blue power and that my parents were there
It wasn't nearly as hard for them to make Tofuhenge and Spamhenge, but these structures did not stand up well to the test of time. It wasn't until the rather lengthy construction and use of Stonerhenge that the idea to build with longer lasting aluminun siding, Legos or stone was even considered.
Today the Born Again Pagan Celts haplogroup group is able to trace their pagan ancestors Indo European DNA Roots back to the jaw bone in ancient Gaul which dates to be a 1.2 Million years old. The Druids spoke the Brehon Laws in Gaelic since the Ice Age which is older then the Aramaic Hebrew language that Adam and Eve spoke in their mythology.
They weren't "Stone Age" people. They were "Bronze Age" people. The technological difference between the two is similar to that of Native Americans in the 18th century and the Space Shuttle.
The engineering sophistication of transporting, lifting and standing a series of stones of any weight is not as difficult as you might think. The Babylonians, Sumerians & Egyptians all did it routinely, & the only real difference between those cultures & the Beaker People is the written word.
Feanor I'd love to know where you get your information from. If they were "bronze age" people, why is there no evidence of metallurgy on the sarcen stones? They used stone and wood. period. The stones have been carbon dated to 2500 BC and the first evidence of the "Beaker People" (so called because of the way they decorated their pottery), who brought metalworking to Britain is 200 years later, where the analogy between native Americans and the space shuttle is relevant.....
At present you can drive past this place for free and get a nice view. They now want your views on whether they should shut down the road that runs along site theses stones. Another excuse to rip people off. You can pay to get closer, but looking from the roadside is just as good.
@lazarus554 Plans to take away the A344 road that runs past the henge are going ahead. This road will instead be used to ferry visitors to & from the new visitor centre that is being built for 2013. The A303 (the main road from London to the West country) that runs on the other side of the stones will remain & still give people the view they have always got of the stones. No one is being done out of anything as the only people to use the A344 are locals.
The Great Henge itself was called 'Giant's Dance' in the 6th - 9th centuries. Some people - especially Neo-Druids - occasionally refer to it as such today.
But that doesn't mean that Giants built it. In truth, when I was much younger, I wanted to believe that Aliens or some other SuperNatural force had a hand in every monumental edifice, but it just ain't so.
Humans are very clever, and if you take away TV, Internet, & cell phones, they'll cook up all sorts of interesting stuff.
Wow! you obviously know something that we poor Britons don''t... the 6th - 9th centuries were and still are known as the "dark ages", because there is no known historical documentation from that period, apart from the writings of one or two monks (the venerable Bede from Jarrow is the only one that I know of). There might be some history professors in England who would want to know your references! :)
Apparently, I do know something you don't. There is a (relative) ton of documentation - both written and orally transmitted - which catalog those times.
Now, in qualification, I think it's splendid that young people are interested in the major Wiltshire sites. They are truly fascinating in a global sense. But won't you fellows Please look at a rudimentary timeline with regard to metal, farming or hunting technology?
Otzi is +/- contemporary with the Henge, as is the 'Amesbury Archer'.
I thought close by there they found a grave site of a giant, i saw that somewhere, either way how in the world did they chip this rock with bronze or copper made tools. just like in egypt, and i think both stones are way harder than bronze/copper tools correct? i may have my facts wrong
A medium duty crane today will lift 60 tons. One of the 10 Trilithon Uprights weighs about 45 tons.
Technology aside, you simply dig an 8' hole at the base of a perpendicular 22' chunk of granite, & using levers & rope you pile up dirt or rocks under the head-end. You do this till it falls in the hole, upright. (This is only 1 way) The Egyptians did it with their obelisks.
Then build a scaffold. With ropes & pulleys lift the 6 ton lintel-stone in place.
There are several replicas of the Great Henge, & some, if not all, have been constructed using The Old Ways.
Believe me when I tell you ... the 3 or 4-phase 1,500-year construction history, it's purpose at various times, & the Wessex & Beaker People who developed that cultural technology are far more interesting than the lazy idea that Giants or Aliens had a hand in any World-Wide monument of Antiquity.
There's a lot of info on these things out there, son. Wikipedia: Stone Henge to start.
Although I realize that you're probably just a U-Toob 'hit-&-runner', I'll throw this out there anyway.
The 'Magic' of the Great Henge isn't How they built it - it's Why. The techniques used in its construction are age-old. This henge and the 300-odd other henges in the UK and France all used similar techniques, whether it's piled dirt, sledges, pulleys & rope or anti-grav machines (like the Pyramids)
(lol)
You don't need an Engineering Degree to pull or lift a heavy object.
hiya 10 i still dont buy it, we in the modern age have tried to show we can build a paramid but failed big time, then they tried to use modern cranes sill couldnt do it. we have nothing that will lift the stones today not even the biggest helicopter in the world will lift the parimid or henge stones.how much do they figure the henge stones weigh anyway?
There other views on how they where built that make sence
What a silly little boy you are. How do you think any of the great ancient monuments were built? Engineers have proven that it is possible to shift rocks these size using a series of pulleys and counterweights. Stonehenge isn't the only site of it's kind either, pagans built other such sites around the country.
not a chance in hell people with wood logs pulled those stones, if they could pull it on a flat serface how did they lift them . no way no how we cant do that today with the biggest cranes in the world
In the 1960's 'Man' built a 365 foot tall, 200,000 lb structure INDOORS, then drove it 3 miles, filled it with another million lbs of flammable liquid, lit the fuse and blasted the MoFo to the Moon.
Human Beings are pretty clever about building stuff ... and always have been.
If I had 300 years to kill, I could build the Great Henge with a shovel and a wheel barrow.
well that 60`s man had all the moderm eqt to do it to,cranes can lift quite alot.
even if the guys could haul thousands of pounds of rock up and down hills,how did they lift them up onot the other standing stones, i find it realy hard to think ropes and wood where used, remember when those people tried to do that a few years abck? couldnt do it from what i remember, got to be another way they did it or did they even buld it.I kind of lean to the theory that a giant race built them? ?
Wow this comments board is populated by a lot of mentaly ill people. aufmultiaction what the hell are you on about? Want support? I suggest you see your gp to be reffered to a psychiatrist.
Hi migvhtyscythe- what bothers me is that Jesus taught that diseases are caused by demons, but my GP doesn't practise exorcisms! How can I get rid of this flu???????
Happy Winter Solstice Everyone!
(22 Dec 11)
10Feanor 1 month ago
22 peoples ancestors died from the building of Stonehenge.
wheresmycookie2196 2 months ago
@wheresmycookie2196 Explain please, 22 is an awfully exact number and no doubt that many died getting the stones to site and erecting them. I'm interested in hearing your evidence for so few, and the postmortem anaylsis on the bones proving they died in thje construction that by any other means. Can I have these 22 people's names plz. Pugh,Pugh, Barney McGrew, Cuthbert, Dibble and Grub by any chance?
sonofherne 2 months ago
@sonofherne LOL look at the dislikes it was a joke!!!
wheresmycookie2196 2 months ago
@wheresmycookie2196 I did guess!
sonofherne 2 months ago
@sonofherne by the way you made my day thanks for the comment!
wheresmycookie2196 2 months ago
@wheresmycookie2196 Wow. How very funny that is.
12345hallam 2 months ago
Ylvis!
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LE GENIE CELTIQUE ET LE MONDE INVISIBLE
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silviompge 3 months ago
The spiral rock carvings represent the spiral energy forms of the many underground streams which amplify the geo-magnetic and solar energy, especially during the Equinoxes. It is part of a large energy network of stone temples, obilisks and pyramids that span the globe, similar to our modern telecommunications system.
vincegill2 4 months ago
@vincegill2 Sorry, but I must have missed something after visiting and studying this monument hundreds of times. What spiral rock carvings? There are none at Stonehenge. Infact, spiral megalithic art is only common in Ireland and found occasionally in Scotland and Wales. Stonehenge does have ancient carvings, mainly totemic axe and dagger carvings and the possible hint of beaker style zig zags.
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Stonehenge was created as a meeting place for people who practice witchcraft. Europe before was full of BS when it comes to that.
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Happy Solstice Everyone!
(21 June 2011)
10Feanor 7 months ago
I have a sense that MrDaleaaa's 1st language is not English, so it might be difficult to understand most of what he's trying to convey.
That said, although it's true that the Moon has an 11.5 year cycle, it also has recurrent (and interesting) cycles with regard to orbital anomalies & horizonal configs with regard to apo- & perigee that seem to be in keeping with the seemingly peculiar placement of the Station Stones at Stonehenge.
The people who designed & built it were really quite bright.
10Feanor 8 months ago
@10Feanor go to a documentery about chaocho canyon (national geographics i think you can also see a corasponding change in weather .i don't know of an 11.5 its the minium.maximum cycle .in 1987 i think the moon was at the minimum.don't listen to propaganda find out
MrDaleaaaa 8 months ago
stonehenge was built for poker contests
BlueNem0 8 months ago
@BlueNem0 haha!
paperorpaper 8 months ago
@paperorpaper :D most probably texas hold'em, full-tilt may have been too harsh lol i'd laugh if it was like "last one to stand up a stone does the cooking tonight!!" and for centuries professors, doctors, engineers still wonderin y it was built.
BlueNem0 7 months ago
@JohnJuanUnited Thinking outside of the box is all well and good, but don't assume we're all morons here who don't know Stonehenge or the landscape. I've been living around SH for years. I can tell you - there's no mountains to chip off the stone from. these stones are not native to the area. They are North Wiltshire grey wether. The heel stone is the only likely to have always been there, because it's not sarsen. Also you ignore Bluestone which is only found in Wales, 150miles away.
sonofherne 1 year ago
@JohnJuanUnited Sarsen stones (the larger stones at SH) were common around Wiltshire (where SH is) Hampshire & Dorset & probably even more abundant in the neolithic. A lot was utilised in the last 1000yrs for building thus removing much of the evidence, The Marlborough Downs however (20miles) is now the only area nearby SH with the highest density of stones and these same ones were utilised for building Avebury Stone Circle, much bigger than SH. As you say, the simple answer is the right one.
sonofherne 1 year ago
The researches of R. Frank, a scholar at the University of Iowa, suggest that the Basques were far-advanced in navigational skills and other aspects of technology long before the rise of the Roman Empire. The Basques, she believes, are the last remnants of the megalith builders, who left behind dolmens, standing stones, and other rock structures all across Europe and perhaps even in eastern North America.
JorgeLorenzoSpain100 1 year ago
The Basques are the original Europeans and they( i am Basque) are really adventurous people so i wouldnt be surprised if these people were related to Basques.
JorgeLorenzoSpain100 1 year ago
@JorgeLorenzoSpain100 Some of them are! Isotope testing of some of the remains around SH recently has showed that people from the Bronze age definately entered Britain through Iberia. Some of the richest burials have Breton/Iberian roots. Breton daggers have been found, we even have a carving on a stone called the "iberian torso."
I'm fascinated with the Basque peoples and their language. You are welcome to contact me. I'd like to ask you some questions.
sonofherne 1 year ago
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michaelkphil 1 year ago
the narrator does not sound good. mumbling the words. had hard time undersanding him, i dont know. maybe its just me.
michaelkphil 1 year ago
@JohnJuanUnited what mean simplicticaly?
CHRISTIAN6182 1 year ago
newgrange is better
brianmurphy5 1 year ago
Happy Solstice, Everyone!
And with a Full Moon too!
(And a Total Lunar Eclipse to top it off )
10Feanor 1 year ago
Nothing would please me more than to answer every question all three of you have regarding the construction - and the purpose - of the Henge.
If you would all be kind enough to go to my U-Toob homepage and leave me your e-mail addresses, I will be happy to explain all of these very valid questions in the detail they deserve.
It is impossible to do so under the constraint of a 500 word forum.
Thank you for your kind attention, and I look forward to clarifying some of these issues in detail.
10Feanor 1 year ago
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TheChewy87 1 year ago
It was thousands of years ago. It's ultimately impossible to know what exactly this structure was built for or how it was built. Technology might have actually been quite advanced for all we know. The world was a different place altogether, it's just a mystery.
TheChewy87 1 year ago
SECTION 7: why wouldn't they have gone back and fixed the ones which fell? I feel the reason is that they did not use temporary dirt ramps ~ they dug holes, 'planted' the uprights, then dragged the lentils over them. When they removed the dirt, some of the structures fell. But their "tool" (the dirt) was already gone then, so they couldn't repeat the process.
Simple people. Simple tools. Simple method. (Great result, tho!).
I'm open to your criticisms, but please avoid generalizations? Thanks.
FLSHBK1 1 year ago
@FLSHBK1 The first fell @1000bc at the decline of the monument & culture. Maybe there just wasn't the religious need or the knowledge able to replace it. Built 1000yrs earlier, that's a lot of generations past to forget,and maybe the exact techniques used were kept secret? This was at the beginning of the Iron Age then which brought huge religious and social change. Climatically the weather deteriorated and there was plague and disease.Maybe there wasn't the need for these type of monuments?
sonofherne 1 year ago
@sonofherne
Preposterous twaddle. You appear to be entirely ignorant of the definitive thesis expounded by Derek Von Heineken in "Skateboards of the Gods!", incontrovertibly demonstrating that Stonehenge represents the remains of a game of Mah Jongg abandoned by hyper-intelligent beings from the Sirius star system after they got bored and went back to playing pool with the planets. Yours is precisely the kind of half-baked claptrap that brings serious research into disrepute.
10Feanor 10 months ago 2
@10Feanor LoL Good one! ;)
sonofherne 10 months ago
@10Feanor Dont know if you were tuned into the tv or something when you quoted "ERICK Von Daniken" but its "Chariots of the Gods" not "Skateboards" lol. Maybe you were watching something about Skate boarding that filtered through to your typing? Its happened to me before too lmao.
Saxonsoldiers 9 months ago
@Saxonsoldiers
As is often the case in these matters, I must have been confused, yes. My esteemed sources assure me that using Spinal Tap and Monty Python as anchors for my studious research is the solid approach.
I do find it interesting that shortly after the Rendlesham affair these pesky Crop-Circles began to show up, bolstering the argument that Senior Intelligences are at work to create the preposterous supposition that the Great Henge was completed by Humans in the 2nd Millennium BC.
10Feanor 9 months ago
SECTION 6: a staggering project? The total mass of elevated lentils has to outweigh that of our individual homes. I honestly suggest mankind had developed no means of lifting such weight at that time. Ergo, they did it some SIMPLE way. Building 30ft "mobile hills" and moving the dirt to each location doesn't sound reasonable to me either, considering the close proximity of the uprights. Existing structures would interfere with building the next one. And if they DID use 'mobile mounds', (Contd):
FLSHBK1 1 year ago
SECTION 5: uprights into in the first place. Fair consideration. I wasn't there (neither were any of you) and nobody left any notes, so I don't know. I just want to hear y'all tell me why we think these dirt people had the technological advancement to do it any other way. They were barely out of the stone age when this project began. The world's greatest advancement by that time had been bronze swords. So in the absence of any real technology, what methods are left to let them build such (Contd)
FLSHBK1 1 year ago
SECTION 4: had hand tools to do this amazing work with. The only (only) method I can picture, which would not have predated known advancement of construction, would be to drop the uprights into holes, slide the lentils over them, then remove the dirt. JohnJuanUnited and I never met, live far apart and have not collaborated on this, but we both arrived at the same hypothesis independently. John's challenge is whether or not they could have dug 30ft pits (air supply, etc) to sink the (contd)
FLSHBK1 1 year ago
SECTION 3: it would have revolutionized building techniques around the globe in short order. And they certainly would have used it to build fortified homes and cities. Two thousand years later, the advanced Greeks and Romans were still building their columns in slices, like stacked coins, to make them liftable. If the dirt farmers who built SH had a device to lift rocks this huge 2,000 yrs earlier, why wouldn't the enlightened world use it on the Acropolis? No, these simple dirt farmers (Contd)
FLSHBK1 1 year ago
SECTION 2: two dozen Cadillacs to a height of 30ft. I've read your supposition of 75 men lifting 90,000lbs using 'big tripods and heavy rope'. What evidence have we of that method, please? If this is simply your suggestion, please say it that way. If you have scientific evidence of this PLEASE share it. In fairness, I try picturing any wooden structure, lashed together by handmade hemp, lifting 45tons. Fail. If these primitives HAD invented a structure capable of lifting such weight, (Contd):
FLSHBK1 1 year ago
SECTION 1: I am not so advanced that I can argue WHY SH was built. I want to focus please on HOW it was constructed. I consider the consecutive generations of primitive people who did this, and the simple tools they had at hand. Feanor no offense, but I consider your casual assertion that the lentils were "then lifted into place" to be undeserving of serious consideration unless you can please describe the physical details of how you think primitives repeatedly lifted the weight of (Cntd)
FLSHBK1 1 year ago
As mentioned, the lintels were secured by mortise & tenon joints, locking them into place. The 6* end-cuts were made so the upper ring would appear as a smooth circle. (360* divided by 60 end-cuts = 6*)
The reason many have fallen is because, for each to achieve a uniform height, the pits were dug to different depths. Some Stones were buried to shallow & over time (4,000 years) over half have fallen.
The 22' East Trilithon for example, was only buried to 5', which doomed it to eventual collapse.
10Feanor 1 year ago
They had big tripods made of big logs. They had heavy rope. They 1st spent a long time shaping the Stone - tapering & cutting the top tenons. Then they agreed upon a height, measured the Stone (they were all different lengths), subtracted the necessary depth of the hole, hoisted them up & slid them into place. It took 75 men to pull on the ropes.
The lintels were then end-cut at 6 degrees & 2 mortises were carved into each, matching the tenons on the uprights.
These were then lifted into place.
10Feanor 1 year ago
@10Feanor Sir, I want to believe you. Please provide some solid evidence of this being the method they used. I agree we could each hypothesize individual methods for primitive peoples to place 45ton lentils atop 30ft uprights without knocking everything down. But none of us was there, no written record exists of the actual method, and frankly, many of the methods simply don't sound doable even for today's technology. I suspect primitive people used simple methods, like burying & uncovering them.
FLSHBK1 1 year ago
@10Feanor Due to my own ignorance, I get frustrated when someone casually asserts "these were then lifted into place". BY WHAT MEANS, please? The wheel wasn't invented for another 1500 years; the compound pulley for more than another 3,000yrs. I ask you, sir ~ if we tasked you and your mates to build just ONE of these structures next month, using no machines and only wooden hand tools available 4500 years ago, WHAT METHOD WOULD YOU USE?
FLSHBK1 1 year ago
As in any engineering project, I'm sure several options were considered. It's possible that the 'sand dune' method was among them. As mentioned previously, they would have had to dig a hole to support the stones while they piled earth around it, so why do the same job twice?
Also, there is no physical evidence that they did it that way - and there would be plenty within the site.
Clarification: The 30 ring-sarsens are 25 tons each. The 10 Trilithons are up to 45 tons.
They were all hoisted.
10Feanor 1 year ago
Lots of people think this method is valid, & it held a lot of credence for a while. It is a feasible idea.
But it wasn't done that way.
Firstly, you'd still have to stand the stones upright in order for them to be surrounded by earth. So why not dig a hole anyway?
Secondly, there is an enormous body of evidence beneath the surface which tell a different story, in spite of the previous building phases.
There is no doubt that the stones were lowered to a precise depth, making all the tops level.
10Feanor 1 year ago
I wish I spook Klingon :-)
WaterHenge 1 year ago
hahhaha lol...i was wondering when were they going to bullshit us about the purpose behind the henge.
batutse 1 year ago
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atlanticobr 1 year ago
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"The Learned Maurice says, Cushites, i.e, Celts built the great temples in India and Britian and excavated the caves of the former.And the Learned Mathematician Reuben Burrow has no hesitation in pronouncing STONEHENGE to be a temple of the Black, curly-headed Buddha."
Anacalypsis vol.1 pg. 52
TheOriginator100 1 year ago
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The Stonehenge fraud, hoax for the Day of the Innocent persons
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Was für eine Verarschung von den Engländern!
FfDusEH2010 1 year ago
Some can't handle the fact these people are provably our direct ancestors. They'd believe these noble savages had just disappeared, in a time when people were in tune! Being "in tune" simply means they forged their existence from the land the same as a farmer today gets to know his land & when to harvest. The SH people were the same, nothing mystical about how they lived. They didn't need to make SH to be able to tell the time or plant crops. Instinct achieves that.
sonofherne 1 year ago
Often in culturally static moments, those who look back in distant history 'through a glass darkly', so to say, find themselves with a need to codify or crystallize the view. We see this very often.
It is a simplistic view, as nothing that transpired over that vast span of time could fail to evolve - particularly since we know that people in great numbers came from a thousand miles to visit the Henge. Blood, customs & technology were all blended together.
Every 20 years things were different.
10Feanor 1 year ago
what document is this?
kamikazeboy123 1 year ago
@kamikazeboy123
It is a National Geographic supposition intending to dramatize and clarify the origin, construction technique and purpose of the Salisbury Great Henge.
This is the first of a 10-part series.
(It's pretty good, too)
10Feanor 1 year ago
@10Feanor Hi. you know, I'm astounded by the backlash this documentary seems to have generated in some, aren't you? I love this docu myself and think it's by the far the most clarified and humanised representation of what was happening at that time. It's shaken some beliefs and misconceptions in people towards our prehistoric ancestors. It's not what many of us were taught in school about shaggy caveman is it? No druids in sight, no fluffy stone huggers. Back to the drawing board for some!
sonofherne 1 year ago
The language they used for the people in the docu got many hung up. They had to use something primitive sounding for god's sake! Probably a proto-celtic language, mix of Breton/Welsh. This explains when others came in it was easier to communicate. In East Kent there's a site where lots of different nations lived and worshipped together. There must have been a language of trade for them all to communicate, or perhaps a lot western Europe was speaking the same language with regional variations.
sonofherne 1 year ago
@sonofherne
The enormity of the project and its social/religious ramifications most certainly spiraled out from the Island to the Continent, drawing many to the site, bringing tools, techniques and of course Language. Wouldn't it be interesting to discover that the origins of Celtic & Welsh, et.al. find their source in Germania or Gaul?
We think of 4 or 500 years as being a long time. How must their mixing cultures have evolved over the 2,500 or so years that the Henge was in Operation?
10Feanor 1 year ago
The most recent discovery about celtic languages proposes that the Beaker people brought it over much earlier. Less the germanic branch, but the western atlantic branch. Most of Spain was celtic speaking prior to the Romans, with a few unknown languages, Basque etc. Those could have been the language of the neolithic peoples. We're beginning to wonder about the entirety of western Europe, right to Norway, they may have spoken a similiar language and thus make themselves far more understood.
sonofherne 1 year ago
Unfortunately, I can't speak to the origin of the languages at that time. (No pun intended! lol)
But it is fascinating to consider in light of recent discoveries & the more thoughtful postulations. I've always had a sense that the unique relationship natives & visitors shared must have evolved into a rather sophisticated, even cosmopolitan social fabric, introducing any variety of cultural probabilities.
This would render in-fighting on a large scale less likely till the culture itself matured.
10Feanor 1 year ago
@sonofherne
One of the things that drew me to this site was the 'Humanistic' way in which the people are portrayed. They spent a lot of money doing it right. I hope you've seen all 10 installments (Here on the TooB) because it shows cause/effect, ritual/daily life, focus/common mistake. Well made all around.
Yes - lots of ppl will be scratching their heads in response to what they perceive as our ancestors behaving as we do, warts and all.
<--- Fluffy Stone-Hugger ... lol
10Feanor 1 year ago
Happy Solstice Everyone!
(21 June 10)
10Feanor 1 year ago
@10Feanor Hope you had a good one also. I'd like to read your paper. Email on the way. Thanks.
sonofherne 1 year ago
Did anyone ever think that the Nephilum could have risin the stones at stone henge or rapa nui (easter island)?
Mortieus 1 year ago
@Mortieus,
Well, since there's literally tons of solid, verifiable, incontrovertible evidence that both the StoneHenge Sarsens and the Rapa Nui Aku's were raised by regular, normal, everyday Humans, and that it's proved beyond the shadow of any doubt that Joseph Smith's "Nephilim" are an elaborately contrived hoax, invented in 1830 to get him money, fame and women, I would have to say:
NO! - no one ever thought of that.
10Feanor 1 year ago
@10Feanor @10Feanor Ok...First off Im pick up on your sarcasm, which already renders you an inadequate source of information, as it "identifies a weak mind". Secondly, you make claims without any backing or evidence. Just to say there is "tons of evidence" is hardly sufficient.
Mortieus 1 year ago
@10Feanor Thirdly, if you knew anything at all, and I do mean ANYTHING about this topic you would know that the ancient Sumarians wrote about the Nephilum 4500 years ago, long before the founder of Mormanism was even thing about being born. It was a legitimate question of which I had hoped to gain some insight, none of which I expect from you.
Mortieus 1 year ago
Clearly, it's You who are assigning a motivation to My words.
If there were more than 500 characters allowed here, I would be happy to discuss 'The Evidence', as would (I'm sure) the other informed member, SonOfHerne.
I wonder if you'd read it ...
I have trolled this StoneHenge forum for 2 years now, & am quite familiar with the types of comments & responses made on it. Yours is fairly typical.
If you'd care to have a rational discussion re: the Henge, I will make myself available.
Feanor
10Feanor 1 year ago
@10Feanor "NO! - no one ever thought of that." = Obvious Sarcasm. I dont assume to assign motivation as much as I do try and interpret what it is you are trying to express, which in this case seems quite apparent. In 500 characters it would seem quite easy to provide me a few sources to back your claim that J.S. invented the Nephilum. Please, I would be very interested to see them.
Mortieus 1 year ago
@10Feanor In addition, you speak of sonofherne as the "other informed member". Am I to assume it is only the two of you that have uncovered this amazing secret in biblical history?? Did Joe Smith invent the Sumarians aswell? <---sarcasm. If you truly want to speak about evidence you must look at it from both sides, from many perspectives, with an open mind. I doubt your capacity to do this.
Mortieus 1 year ago
@Mortieus
Let's start over, shall we?
You originally asked if anyone considered it possible that the Nephilim might have raised the stones at Rapa Nui or StoneHenge.
The truth is, I took this as a rather semi-serious question. I didn't take your apparent belief system under consideration. Clearly my error.
But you resigned my remark to sarcasm, and I suppose it could be read that way, tho it wasn't meant to be. Possibly incredulous, but that's all.
Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit.
10Feanor 1 year ago
I have no idea what SonOfHerne knows of biblical history, nor is this the forum to find out. (I believe this is a forum about StoneHenge)
But he does know a lot about the accurate placement of the Henge in the historical record, which is why I mention him. We have actually crossed swords once or twice, though more through misunderstanding than actual disagreement of fact.
In any case, the "Place of Forever" was designed & built by Humans and the evidence for this is overwhelming.
Look it up.
10Feanor 1 year ago
@10Feanor @Inu4kagome Thank you for clairification. I will look at the evidence as best I can with limited resource, but I am still intriuged of by the J.S. Stetement. Can you point me in the right direction?
Mortieus 1 year ago
The remark about the Nephilim was a tossed-off phrase, I admit. Yes, you're correct about a belief in the Nephilim being "In Existence" during the time of the Sumerians. Their more relevant and modern incarnation however would be the LDS, so this is what prompted the remark. I made a leap in assuming that this was your reference too.
JS used many arcane, confused references when constructing a foundation for the Mormons, & because no one at the time knew any better, they bought it.
Feanor
10Feanor 1 year ago
With regard to the Great Henge, I have prepared a short, 15 page paper that outlines some of the more fundamental aspects of its purpose, construction and longevity. (With illustrations!) hee hee. It covers some of the old assumptive traditions about the Henge, as well as the latest facts.
This was intended for, and should be read as, a breezy magazine article.
Go to my U-Tube home page and post me your e-mail addy and I'll ship it off.
(That goes for anyone else who's reading this)
Best,
Feanor
10Feanor 1 year ago
Not to be rude but I really think stonehenge wasn't completed I mean look at it, it's poorly constructed, so it it had to tip over many times and it was too frustrating for them and they gave up. So I believe that this was a monumental blunder and it was abandoned. Just cause its old doesn't mean it's not a old mistake
Inu4kagome 1 year ago
I'm not sure why you think your comment could be considered rude ...
There had been a lot of conjecture about this point - that it was never finished. Studies have shown that in fact it was. There are remnants, filled ground sockets and other evidence for all 30 Sarsens as well as lintel fragments and bluestone placements that further indicate completion.
BTW - any structure that's 4,500 years old will look 'poorly constructed'. In truth Great Henge was built by exact engineering standards.
10Feanor 1 year ago
any of these larg projects wre biult by slave not highly motivated people. the pyramid the castls the great wall slaves .they say ho is beautful .i look at them and what i see is dead slaves
MrDaleaaaa 1 year ago
@MrDaleaaaa,
As I read your comments here, I cannot help but think of all the people - especially here in the US - who probably believe just as you do.
It's astonishing the degree of ignorance that walks among us.
1 Neither the Egyptians nor the Britons of 50 centuries ago used slave labor.
2 Earthquakes are in no way cyclic, and no one in their right mind would ever say they were.
3 I never heard a Christian say "The Sky Is Falling"
4 Please read actual books. (It might improve your spelling)
10Feanor 1 year ago
@10Feanor the moon has a 18.5 year cycle and a 9.25 cycle so do earth quaks ask the japanes what book would you recomend .the referance to the sky is falling mean fear mugering .to emprov my spelling their would have to be no dyslexia.and i would have to take a typing class.and there is still slavery its called minimum wage the slave owner don't have to care for their slavs that way.and i bet that was an esult so eat shit and die if it wasn't then you have my deepest apolloge
MrDaleaaaa 9 months ago
@MrDaleaaaa
... I have NO idea what you just said ...
10Feanor 9 months ago
@MrDaleaaaa
1. Most of that information is wrong.
2. You make no sense.
3. You have no idea what you are talking about.
4. TITS OR GTFO
Spedster777 8 months ago
@Spedster777 you say that i'm wrong but you don't site any info on the subject .i have worked with people that could do those things like stone henge all the need is the labors they can't do it now because you can't outwordly inslave people so that makes it to much money to do .as for your points i see no sense to yours there has been no end to slavery it just changes names
MrDaleaaaa 8 months ago
@MrDaleaaaa I don't think somebody who can't spell or cannot user proper conventions and grammar can possibly work with people "who could do stuff like stone henge" (BTW that makes no sense).
I am not correcting you on your stonehenge information, as I do not know much about the monument itself. I am correcting you on your astronomical data.
The Moon doesn't have a 18.5 year cycle or a 9.25 year cycle. It has a 11.5 year cycle, no other cycle except for the monthly phase cycle.
Spedster777 8 months ago
@MrDaleaaaa
Iconographic Monuments such as Stonehenge, the Pyramids or Gobleki Tepi, to name 3, were not the work of slave-labor. These multi-generational buildings came from the labor-force of a willing populace. Sort of a DPW. Egypt never even had slaves until very late in its history - long after the Pyramids were finished.
The concept of wage-slaves in modern times has an entirely different social motivation.
Building a modern Stonehenge would be irrelevant to our belief-systems today.
10Feanor 8 months ago
maybe they only work on it in the winter when they couldn't farm then and all they would need for suport them would be a few hunters and the stored grainand other farm goods. they always try to make out that its so impossible .i use to get hugh rounds of wood in to the back of my truck and my back is mest up . not matter who is stronger matter who is smartter.thses people could wip produces from wild resorces without even thinking about it
MrDaleaaaa 1 year ago
They used cranes to position the stones.
Chronixization101 1 year ago
@Chronixization101 They used cranes to re-erect and straighten some of the fallen stones during the 1960's. Correct. Contrary to conspiracy theories, the stones were not all blown over, taken out or repositioned. The repairs were meticulously documented and public were allowed to view everything that was going on.
sonofherne 1 year ago
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They used cranes to re-erect and straighten some of the fallen stones during the 1960's. Correct. Contrary to conspiracy theories, the stones were not all blown over, taken out or repositioned. The repairs were meticulously documented and public were allowed to view everything that was going on.
sonofherne 1 year ago
Stonehenge and many other ruins like it were built by the Druids. These Druids were Celtic High Priests a pagan people. They built these as observatories to witness events taken place in the sky such as full moons, eclipses, the solstice's and equinox's and the 12 major constellations as the sun passed through the ages.
So in other words the zodiac.
Chronixization101 1 year ago
Complete rubbish. Megaliths were built by neolithic and bronze age farmers, nothing to do with the druids who came 2000 yrs later and didn't have a tradition of erecting megaliths. You are offering an out of date and all too simplistic answer to a site which cover over 8,000yrs of ritual worship. Hundreds of cremated remains are buried inside the henge and under those stones. That's not what you do if it's an observatory. Many tombs are also aligned to the sun & the moon. Are they calendars too?
sonofherne 1 year ago
The Salisbury Great Henge predates the Druids by at least 2,500 years. So does every Henge in the UK. (There are around 300 of them) I realize it's difficult to grasp such a span, so think of it this way. From now, 2,500 years ago was about the time Rome was founded. There were Druids & Celts in Britain then, yes, but StoneHenge was completed 2,000 years before that.
The Builders loved their ancestors & called it: The Place of Forever - a cemetery for dignitaries, aligned with High Solstice.
10Feanor 1 year ago
In ancient times...hundreds of years before the dawn of history lived a strange race, the Druids. No one knew who they were or...what they were doin' But their legacy remains, hewn into the living rock....of Stone 'enge....
TomthatiscalledTom 1 year ago
@TomthatiscalledTom
um ... there were no Druids when the Great Henge was built, Tom. It's a great deal older than any people that we can identify in the UK. There were no Druids, Picts, Celts. No Welshmen or anyone we know in Cornwall.
The Henge was built by the 'Beaker' People, and we only call them that because we've found a few jars that they made.
The StoneHenge Complex is between 45 and 60 centuries old. Think: Age of the Pyramids. The Druids showed up around 250 BC.
Best,
Feanor
10Feanor 1 year ago
@10Feanor You need to watch 'This is Spinal Tap' to know the full truth how and why Stone henge was built
TomthatiscalledTom 1 year ago
@TomthatiscalledTom
Actually, I stand corrected Tom. You're absolutely right, of course ... what was I thinking!?
I have seen this film, and it certainly answers all the questions we've been asking ourselves for many generations.
My sincere apologies ...
Feanor
10Feanor 1 year ago
@TomthatiscalledTom Did you actually watch that movie properly? Stonehenge is featured for about 4 mins in total. It doesn't explain anything. It was a spoof of Black Sabbath who did the same thing, only when they asked for a henge set to be built it turned out bigger than anticipated, not smaller.
sonofherne 1 year ago
@sonofherne Yes I did watch it in total. And only Nigel Tufnel knows the truth about 'the little children of Stone 'enge' and how the monument was built. If you take the top stone off each of the triptych, what do you get? Eleven, eleven, eleven.....
" Forget this! Fuck the napkin!"
TomthatiscalledTom 1 year ago
I just wonder why the birds still shit on it.
gah964 1 year ago
@gah964 Because it's an open air monument and always has been? Not sure how long birds have nested in the stones, if in ancient times they would be considered as messengers of the gods and have been revered. What would you do to stop them, place spikes all over the stones or poison them? Animal rights would have a field day. It all washes off at the end of the day. The most damage is done by tourists actually, that's what you should be concerned about!
sonofherne 1 year ago
niggers
JROCHARDASPHUCK 1 year ago
Did it ever cross anyones mind that it was possibly a landing site for aliens, i mean during this time there were egyptians making pyramids and for man to get all the way to england must have been a great journey unless aliens took them there and commanded them to create a landing site for them.
Cozzi0 1 year ago
they were possibly vikings from somewhere in europe or early english ancestors
Cozzi0 1 year ago
Gentlemen, if I might clarify ...
When the Great Henge was built, there were no English, Celts, Picts, Druids or Welsh. This thing predates most (but not all) of the Pyramids. Did they have dark skin? Who knows - but it's very unlikely. But they were certainly a different 'Race'.
The present UK residents - including the Welsh - in no way resemble the occupants even at the time of the Romans - 2,500 years After the Henge was constructed.
Yes, definitely read some History.
Best,
Feanor
10Feanor 1 year ago
@10Feanor How do you figure? Recent DNA has proven you 100% wrong! Infact, a huge majority of native brits descend from hunter gathers or neolithic farmers. You are more likely to be descended from the people of Stonehenge than a later saxon or viking. Different race, bah! The skulls of burials around the henge are caucasian as is the dna. They didn't die out, they are our ancestors.
sonofherne 1 year ago
@sonofherne
You're implying I said something that I didn't, sir. Reading more carefully (and perhaps a bit further back in this forum) you'll see that I was responding to another person who'd made assumptions with regard to the origins of the people who built the Henge.
I reiterate: There were no Druids, Picts, Celts or Welsh at the time the Great Henge was built.
Of course the Beaker People can be ancestrally traced to these others as well as us. They were not a 'Different Race'.
Feanor
10Feanor 1 year ago
@sonofherne, et. al.
In re-reading the source of SonOfHerne's marginally caustic reply, I now see how he arrived at his critique of my comment. I stand corrected in my usage and concede the mis-wording of my previous 'Race' statement. Although I stand by my contention that there must be some minor racial differences, at no time did I intend to infer that Modern & 8,000 year-old Occidentals don't swim in the same gene-pool.
Best,
Feanor
10Feanor 1 year ago
Im Welsh and am disgusted when I have to pay to see Stonehenge, it was my ancestors that built the f**king thing and Ive gotta pay some anglo-saxon to see it!!
and I also hate it when those druged up hippies go there and fuck around with it!! Bydd y Celtiaid yn codi eto Lloegr
Cymru am byth!
GilliusThunderFart7 1 year ago
I say you take back what is yours.
gah964 1 year ago
@Gillius I'm disgusted at your lack of education & bigoted racism. You're welsh, be proud, not marginalised. Your ancestors wouldn't have considered themselves welsh. Only half the stones are from wales. Most english now share exactly the same dna with the welsh, especially here in West England. Saxon dna is present in 5% of the population. Were descendants of hunter gatherers & neolithic farmers. The only thing I agree with you on is the hippy thing.
sonofherne 1 year ago
This video is stupid why are the englishmen "brown" and why do they speak non english? This video fails..
BritishBeliever 1 year ago
...well, friend. I think it's something to do with Britian (especially that part) was lush vegitation and almost tropical climes...And I suppose they don't speak English because that time was the language of Druids, Picts and Celts...
deldred69 1 year ago
@deldred69 the misiformation is the chirtians doing thats why the moon isn't in meaterology the moon has a 9 year and 18 year cycle so does the weather bt thy never use that .eathquaks also have the same cycle .volcanic eruptions to but chritian want to say it bibliccal it biblical the sky is falling so that they can manipulate the sheeple.the us goverment is doing the same thing .its only going to get hoter it want cycle back to cool that would maen thing whern't cyclecal they linear
MrDaleaaaa 1 year ago
go back to school ?
justinbailey1234 1 year ago
@BritishBeliever Are you stupid the English didn't exist back then, they didn't build Stonehenge, it was the Celts and Druids and that language is ancient, definantly not Welsh though, you need to learn history, just because they are located in england doesn't mean it's english!!
Cymru Am Byth!!
GilliusThunderFart7 1 year ago
Yeah i understand they spoke a diffrent language but they were not a dfiffrent race they were part of the white race, Next you will be telling me theyre were black vikings....
BritishBeliever 1 year ago
@GilliusThunderFart7 I say again, neither did the welsh exist backthen! The celts didn't build stonehenge either. It's nothing to do with druids who came 2000yrs later. It's funny because you seem to know a certain amount of history, but clearly you seem hung up with the idea of race. Most Brits have ancestry back at least 5,000yrs to our little island we share. Embrace that, and don't get hung up on false race arguments that the Victorians invented to divide us.
sonofherne 1 year ago
@BritishBeliever They wouldn't have spoken modern english (a mixture of latin, saxon & french for good measure) The original language would have been a proto-celtic one. Perhaps similiar to Breton/Welsh. The documentary was merely trying to show a primitive language they might have spoken, but the fact is we probably will never know quite what dialect they spoke. Not sure why they chose to represent the peoples as being dark skinned, theyre white caucasian, we have their bones to prove it!
sonofherne 1 year ago
Happy Solstice Everyone!
10Feanor 2 years ago
A Brit teevee show 'TIme Team' did a special on Stonehenge and its' link with the river and the woodhenge that blew all of the various theories outta the water...it is at the end of a processional journey of people going to visit the stones that represented dead ancestors....no other theories are any good anymore
hepdog2 2 years ago
Yup. (Same thing I've been saying for years ...)
People have consistently isolated the various sites on the Plain - studying them as individual icons - instead of viewing the whole as an interwoven tapestry.
It only makes sense that several of them would be linked.
Feanor
10Feanor 2 years ago
One of the reasons they weren't thought as linked originally was dating. They'd other sites dated earlier than SH. Now they've been able to refine the dating and they're contemporary with each other. Water is usually a very strong linking factor to building anything from towns to religious architecture. From a spiritual stand, it represents the crossroads between this world & the next. Votive offerings would be dropped in along with cremations.The bluestones even allegedly traveled there by it.
sonofherne 2 years ago
I have always been intrigued that most of the major sites at that vicinity in Wiltshire mostly corresponded with the Henge and its peripherals. The one location that's always had me baffled is the Cursus. Predating the Henge and even its culture ... what the Heck was That for!?
lol
Feanor
10Feanor 2 years ago
There's a brilliant new book out on Cursuses. The Dorset one is even more striking and unbelievably extensive. I've asked many archaeologists and just aren't satisfied with any of the current explanations of spirit paths, ceremonial enclosures or spiritual barriers between lands of the dead and living. They also seem devoid of much material evidence too.
Perhaps they were race tracks after all! LoL
sonofherne 2 years ago
The Dorset Cursus is amazing, yes. Mile after mile and unknown till there were aircraft. I've tried to trace it on GE with limited success.
I followed the whole 'Division-Of-Life-&-Death' thing for a while, but that doesn't really track if they built it before there was a: Land-Of-The-Dead, i.e. the Henge & environs.
So far (in my view) Parker-Pierson is on the right track re: WoodHenge/StoneHenge - but none of this explains the Cursus.
Keep me updated! (lol!)
Best,
Feanor
10Feanor 2 years ago
i think the zodiacs and 2012 the allignment ofplanets havesomething to do with it. i had a dream well it was more like a vision about it all i remember is dark blue skies and beams of blue power and that my parents were there
TheJon557 2 years ago
i believe god had a part in its design and its purpose
TheJon557 2 years ago
wowowwowowowowow that would be hard to build!!!
just WOW!!!!!!!!!!
limegreencutey1 2 years ago
I was there in November of '07. It is truely awe inspiring.
iambeatle1 2 years ago
It wasn't nearly as hard for them to make Tofuhenge and Spamhenge, but these structures did not stand up well to the test of time. It wasn't until the rather lengthy construction and use of Stonerhenge that the idea to build with longer lasting aluminun siding, Legos or stone was even considered.
AirmanCylon401 2 years ago
Fascinating.... But I like The Goodies quote: "Stonehenge! They spent years making that: What a waste of money... still doesn't fly..."
LiteracyLabyrinth 2 years ago
landing pod for UFO.. hehe.. i want to go there..!!
TFN8687 2 years ago
Grüße aus der Oberlausitz!
Stonehenge in Saxony
Goetterhand 2 years ago 6
that's pretty cool
TheStoicAgnostic 2 years ago
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Today the Born Again Pagan Celts haplogroup group is able to trace their pagan ancestors Indo European DNA Roots back to the jaw bone in ancient Gaul which dates to be a 1.2 Million years old. The Druids spoke the Brehon Laws in Gaelic since the Ice Age which is older then the Aramaic Hebrew language that Adam and Eve spoke in their mythology.
MagicTellaVision 2 years ago
dude shut the f*ck up and get a god damn life
wimbotkang 2 years ago
You want to tell me that people from stone age, could move a 45t stone block...something is fishy here
Negrodamus89 2 years ago
They weren't "Stone Age" people. They were "Bronze Age" people. The technological difference between the two is similar to that of Native Americans in the 18th century and the Space Shuttle.
The engineering sophistication of transporting, lifting and standing a series of stones of any weight is not as difficult as you might think. The Babylonians, Sumerians & Egyptians all did it routinely, & the only real difference between those cultures & the Beaker People is the written word.
Feanor
10Feanor 2 years ago
Wow, you comparison is just way to stupid to take you serious :/
Negrodamus89 2 years ago
Feanor I'd love to know where you get your information from. If they were "bronze age" people, why is there no evidence of metallurgy on the sarcen stones? They used stone and wood. period. The stones have been carbon dated to 2500 BC and the first evidence of the "Beaker People" (so called because of the way they decorated their pottery), who brought metalworking to Britain is 200 years later, where the analogy between native Americans and the space shuttle is relevant.....
mackecm2 2 years ago
I assure you sir, you have my ear ...
Tell me, O Oracle, how do you Carbon Date stone? I, along with every scientist on Earth, would be extremely interested to know this.
Now tell me how tooled copper & iron managed to find their way under these stones.
I am trying to be as gentle as possible, but you're clearly as uninformed about Paleontology as a Grammar School student.
The carbon-dated remains in contemporary graves at the Henge site are LOADED with tooled metal.
Read more.
Feanor
10Feanor 2 years ago
Why???... The egyptians built the pyramids... The American's learnt how to read and write... We all thought this was impossible.
Time for some god freaks to rape me, but people will go to all ridiculous lengths for religion which is what stone henge was intended for.
VengefulSpoon 2 years ago
what?
Negrodamus89 2 years ago
At present you can drive past this place for free and get a nice view. They now want your views on whether they should shut down the road that runs along site theses stones. Another excuse to rip people off. You can pay to get closer, but looking from the roadside is just as good.
Councils stitching us again
lazarus554 2 years ago
@lazarus554 Plans to take away the A344 road that runs past the henge are going ahead. This road will instead be used to ferry visitors to & from the new visitor centre that is being built for 2013. The A303 (the main road from London to the West country) that runs on the other side of the stones will remain & still give people the view they have always got of the stones. No one is being done out of anything as the only people to use the A344 are locals.
sonofherne 1 year ago
Bunky,
The Great Henge itself was called 'Giant's Dance' in the 6th - 9th centuries. Some people - especially Neo-Druids - occasionally refer to it as such today.
But that doesn't mean that Giants built it. In truth, when I was much younger, I wanted to believe that Aliens or some other SuperNatural force had a hand in every monumental edifice, but it just ain't so.
Humans are very clever, and if you take away TV, Internet, & cell phones, they'll cook up all sorts of interesting stuff.
Feanor
10Feanor 2 years ago
Wow! you obviously know something that we poor Britons don''t... the 6th - 9th centuries were and still are known as the "dark ages", because there is no known historical documentation from that period, apart from the writings of one or two monks (the venerable Bede from Jarrow is the only one that I know of). There might be some history professors in England who would want to know your references! :)
mackecm2 2 years ago
Apparently, I do know something you don't. There is a (relative) ton of documentation - both written and orally transmitted - which catalog those times.
Now, in qualification, I think it's splendid that young people are interested in the major Wiltshire sites. They are truly fascinating in a global sense. But won't you fellows Please look at a rudimentary timeline with regard to metal, farming or hunting technology?
Otzi is +/- contemporary with the Henge, as is the 'Amesbury Archer'.
Feanor
10Feanor 2 years ago
Actually the "Dark Ages" are now referred to as 'Early Middle Ages'.
princessannikki 2 years ago
I thought close by there they found a grave site of a giant, i saw that somewhere, either way how in the world did they chip this rock with bronze or copper made tools. just like in egypt, and i think both stones are way harder than bronze/copper tools correct? i may have my facts wrong
bunker2k1 2 years ago
Bunky,
A medium duty crane today will lift 60 tons. One of the 10 Trilithon Uprights weighs about 45 tons.
Technology aside, you simply dig an 8' hole at the base of a perpendicular 22' chunk of granite, & using levers & rope you pile up dirt or rocks under the head-end. You do this till it falls in the hole, upright. (This is only 1 way) The Egyptians did it with their obelisks.
Then build a scaffold. With ropes & pulleys lift the 6 ton lintel-stone in place.
It ain't rocket-science!
Feanor
10Feanor 2 years ago
Why is it then nobody that has tried can do it, many groups have tried useing old ways and new ways? just a question that bugs me
bunker2k1 2 years ago
There are several replicas of the Great Henge, & some, if not all, have been constructed using The Old Ways.
Believe me when I tell you ... the 3 or 4-phase 1,500-year construction history, it's purpose at various times, & the Wessex & Beaker People who developed that cultural technology are far more interesting than the lazy idea that Giants or Aliens had a hand in any World-Wide monument of Antiquity.
There's a lot of info on these things out there, son. Wikipedia: Stone Henge to start.
Feanor
10Feanor 2 years ago
Bunker,
Although I realize that you're probably just a U-Toob 'hit-&-runner', I'll throw this out there anyway.
The 'Magic' of the Great Henge isn't How they built it - it's Why. The techniques used in its construction are age-old. This henge and the 300-odd other henges in the UK and France all used similar techniques, whether it's piled dirt, sledges, pulleys & rope or anti-grav machines (like the Pyramids)
(lol)
You don't need an Engineering Degree to pull or lift a heavy object.
Feanor
10Feanor 2 years ago
hiya 10 i still dont buy it, we in the modern age have tried to show we can build a paramid but failed big time, then they tried to use modern cranes sill couldnt do it. we have nothing that will lift the stones today not even the biggest helicopter in the world will lift the parimid or henge stones.how much do they figure the henge stones weigh anyway?
There other views on how they where built that make sence
bunker2k1 2 years ago
AHAHA!!! stupid Brits monkeys! Stonehenge is a falsification! fake! forgery!
bastards!
vitaly4444 2 years ago
What a silly little boy you are. How do you think any of the great ancient monuments were built? Engineers have proven that it is possible to shift rocks these size using a series of pulleys and counterweights. Stonehenge isn't the only site of it's kind either, pagans built other such sites around the country.
AnthemicPolemic 2 years ago
not a chance in hell people with wood logs pulled those stones, if they could pull it on a flat serface how did they lift them . no way no how we cant do that today with the biggest cranes in the world
bunker2k1 2 years ago
In the 1960's 'Man' built a 365 foot tall, 200,000 lb structure INDOORS, then drove it 3 miles, filled it with another million lbs of flammable liquid, lit the fuse and blasted the MoFo to the Moon.
Human Beings are pretty clever about building stuff ... and always have been.
If I had 300 years to kill, I could build the Great Henge with a shovel and a wheel barrow.
(and maybe a good pair of gloves ...)
Feanor
10Feanor 2 years ago
well that 60`s man had all the moderm eqt to do it to,cranes can lift quite alot.
even if the guys could haul thousands of pounds of rock up and down hills,how did they lift them up onot the other standing stones, i find it realy hard to think ropes and wood where used, remember when those people tried to do that a few years abck? couldnt do it from what i remember, got to be another way they did it or did they even buld it.I kind of lean to the theory that a giant race built them? ?
bunker2k1 2 years ago
That wickedness being, I guess, celebrating solstices and equinoxes, etc???? Yahweh is just so damn HARD to please!!!!
coralarch 2 years ago
this is a lie
macmackill4u 2 years ago
well anyway whatever we need to smash stonehedge along with the rest ISLAMIC BRITTAIN thank you for your support
uafmultiaction 2 years ago
Wow this comments board is populated by a lot of mentaly ill people. aufmultiaction what the hell are you on about? Want support? I suggest you see your gp to be reffered to a psychiatrist.
AnthemicPolemic 2 years ago
Hi migvhtyscythe- what bothers me is that Jesus taught that diseases are caused by demons, but my GP doesn't practise exorcisms! How can I get rid of this flu???????
coralarch 2 years ago
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10Feanor 2 years ago