They're both tools. One to his lack of self-worth, the other to his precious mommy. Honestly, I could have loved these characters more if FF7 had really executed it better. It had potential but just dropped the ball again and again. Sephiroth's "manipulation" of Cloud serves no purpose and his motivations follow no logic.
in a weird way sephiroth was actually pretty friendly and sympathetic. He basically just said i'll be your reason by giving him reasons! this was the closet they ever got to being friends.
Sephiroth is one hell of a sore loser, he looses and says he somehow wins. Sometimes I think Sephiroth is just bored, he just wakes up deciding he's going to rule the world, then over breakfast he develops a scheme to ride it across the galaxy being an unbelievable prick to any and all that cross his path.
@CrimsonVermillioneye Cloud:.....DOES IT LOOK LIKE I WANT A FUCKIN PEAR!? I DIDNT WANT ONE IN AC OR IN THE FIRST GAME I WUPPED UR ASS! *pulls out my dead friend's mentor's huge ass epic sword and fights*
Would someone please tell the guy (or gal, but it sounds like a guy) to stop spamming just to rant on how much he hates Cloud? Okay! We get it! Cloud isn't perfect! He's got a lot of flaws!
Yet he still tries. He might hesitate and consider giving up, but he pulls through in the end. So he needs help sometimes. Who doesn't? He's about as human as a fictional character can be. And that's why people like him. (Well, his good looks help, but it's mostly his personality.)
@brigidtheirish yea a more realistic character is more fun .. i kinda like wen the hero loses at least sometimes =S makes it more entertaining in the end to see how they come out of it. a hero who wins all the time or is unstopable all the time ..is boring .-.
Hey, i'm maybe ( for sure ) getting this game for my PSP. I've seen Cloud in his AC costume in this game, but in this cutscene he has not. Is it some kind of unlockable?
*Sighs* I really love Cloud and Seph. They've been my favorite Hero/Villain duo for years.....but they seriously need a break. I mean, come on, give other FFVII characters a chance to shine! Honestly, I wouldn't mind having a Zack & Genesis fight next time around in Dissidia, but...I doubt it.
Kadaj achieves this and so Sephiroth comes back. Having gained control of the lanet he ready to do wat is most important to him, beat Cloud in a swordfight as he has been unable to do for nearly a decade now. He fights and pushes cloud to his limits and tries to sea the deal, but Cloud defeated him with Omnislash in the end.
After that Cloud & Co work to activate Holy, stop Shinra and the WEAPON's and travel to the Northern Crater to defeat Sephiroth so Holy will release. They try their best, which was enough, Sephiroth is unable to fight them and supress Holy at the same time and dies, he wasn't dead before this., neither he nor Cloud lost their physical bodies when they entered the Lifestream.
@ColonelHakha After that Sephiroth works to rebuild himself, but he needs to leave behind everything except what is most important. To Sephiroth, that is his hatred for Cloud. He correpts the Lifestream and COULD subtly destroy the Planet. But that's not how Sephiroth operates, he wants to make himself known to Cloud, thus Kadaj and Geostigma. But that's not enough. He wants to come back in his physical form, because, more then anything, he want one last chance to beat Cloud fair and square.
Cloud's luck: Cloud can luckily lift gigantic swords, luckily gians skills over the course of fighting in the game just like everyone else in your party and indeed the Final Fantasy series, luckily makes friends by saving their lives who do not give p on their world upon his departure and look out for him, and when a WEAPON (who wasn't summoned by S BTW) comes destroys the ground where the LS is nearest to the surface, where he thus surfaced, gravity luckily pulls in down into it.
@ColonelHakha Then when he recovers, he luckily decides to not give up on life and tries is best to safe the Planet.
VMarron, do you understand the concept of luck?
Anyway, yes over the course of the game Cloud is controlled by Jenova's cells. These react to the Jenova Reunion and thus he goes after Sephiroth, he's not obsessed, he's being summoned, lucky for Sephiroth and later the Planet. Sephiroth does in fact make use of the opportunity and uses Cloud to obtain the BM, then ditches him.
Let's start with your initial point, experience>everything, a new guy could never beat a guy who spend his whole life fighting. In other words, 99% of fiction in BS, because 99% of fiction does this, introduces someone new who rapidly gains skills at exceed those who have done it longer then then him. And no Zack is no different. He was a nobody that became a SOLDER 1st Class that defeated Genesis who is supposedly Genesis' equal in two years as well. That was at 16 years old.
Cloud has no such insecurities, Sephiroth needs to get in his head for him to feel inconfident. Sephirothcannot be argued to suddenly become stupid when it comes to Cloud. He came back BECAUSE of his obsession with Cloud and only through that he can hold on, his inferioriy complex is wellestablished.
ALL Cloud says - I'll go and try my luck. Maybe, I'll beat the guy. Now that's intelligence. Compared to the plan Sephiroth executed in FF7 (before he had to fight Cloud in NC, but I already said that villains on final stage ALL suffer brain damage) he is nowhere near.
Moreover, Cloud is ALL about cheap luck. And "sudden powers" which are given to him by producers out of thin air. Zack would have worked better. To have powers you need to TRAIN!
Sephiroth was beaten by Cloud the first time, all his clones were killed, all his Jenova were killed, his own physical form was killed, then Cloud beat him inthe Lifestream then he came back for five minutes before Cloud beat him again. Not even in confidence or intelligence either. Why do you think he appeared to Cloud in AC? Because he needed to? No. He could take the Planet as it is, slowly through GeoStigma but because of his ineriority complex towards Cloud he felt he had to prove himself.
Erm? Maybe, we played different games. XD About 1st defeat I already asked. About AC - Kadaj called him. Seph really had no choice but to appear. He didn't really seem to care at all about Cloud. Except get revenge when he had a chance.
And FF7? Damn. Cloud is ALL game 1 step behind Seph. He is being blindly manipulated, both through J cells and mind games. He is almost killed when Seph calls a WEAPON. He never HAS a decent plan how to fight Seph.
Lol Cloud, You cant say "you choose your own path" and then turn around and say "So be it, if Thats your destiny", its a contradiction. You hot silly man you!
I'm sorry, but given Cloud's background, compared to Sephiroth's, we all know Seph would kick Cloud's ass in one-on-one combat. He's Jenova's son for f*ck's sake, not to mention, he has almost as much Mako thrumming in his veins as the Lifestream.
I mean, I get it, Cloud's the hero, he has to win, but realistically, Sephiroth would.
Then again, shame on me to put logic into any Japanese animation or game.
@SorceressZila thats a stupid answer cloud can kick sephiroth's ass anywhere ya know why out of all the time ive existed cloud is one of the legendary five warriors and ya know THOSE WARRIORS ARE ALMOST AS STRONG AS GODS!!! SEPHIROTH'S COMPARED TO CLOUD WOULD MEAN SEPHIROTH IS WEAKER SO GET THAT IN UR SKULL GODAMNIT
@shadic381 Because all those capital letters are so convincing...
You've proven nothing, except perhaps that Cloud manages to have some very interesting, if not, illiterate, fans who can't manage to compose a decent argument.
I'll consider you a challenge if your volume recedes and your IQ climbs back up.
You, guys, seriously crack me up! Cloud beats Sephiroth for only ONE coherent reason - producers decided so, cause Cloudy is 'good' and Seph is 'evil'. Plain and simple. Heroes win, villains lose. Now, the logic is where they fail. Sephiroth has his powers logically - he trained all his life, absorbed the knowledge of LS, etc. Where Cloudy gets his, citing wiki, "sudden powers" is a good question. Maybe, from spending 4 years in a mako tank where his muscles should have deteriorated. :D
@SorceressZila I know that cloud has killed sephiroth 7 times now, it's looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong past the point where you can make any kind of excuse for Sephiroth, h can't beat Cloud plain and simpe.
And who's to blame for that? Sephiroth is logically more
1. Powerful.
2. Skillful.
3. Intelligent.
4. Confident, etc, etc, etc...
than CLoud will ever be in his entire life. Now... Seph's only 'problem' is that he is an antagonist. Of course, Cloud will win. Who will play a game where a hero shamelessly loses to the villain? I mean I would. Cause Seph IS the BEST!!! XD But I am like one in 10000. XD Squeenix will go bankrupt...
I've destroyed Cloud's character on so many occasions. XD With pleasure. So the debate will make sense when at least ONE villain in FF series will have a complete and full victory over the protagonist (don't bring Kuja - he didn't achieve his final goal either). Then we can talk. If not - it shamelessly is because a hero has to win. No matter how stupid, weak, and all that said hero is and logically should be. :D
@VMarron Powerful? Skillful? At the end of the day Sephiroth doesn't have anything better then Omnislash Version 6. Now, Genesis, Sephiroth and Aerith have all had control of the Lifestream, which make them more powerful, but on the ground in one-on-one battle. Sephiroth is never been suggested to be above Cloud. There was no, first the villian beats the protagonist, then the protagonist turn it around over the course of the game like with Golbez, Exdeath or Kuja.
Really? 1. Sephiroth is dead. Unlike every other villain you mentioned? Why is he dead? Because a boy CLoud who never made it into SOLDIER, never had mako, threw him into reactor. Question: HOW? WHAT gave him that power? Cheap, unfounded luck.
2. Maybe, you can explain me (everyone else failed) - HOW can a person who spend 4 years in a mako tank, never had much experience, never won a war BE more skillful than a person whose life was fighting? Does experience come in his dreams?
It's said that Cloud was outmatched when it came to the fight with Sephiroth.
Sorry everybody who thinks that Cloud was almost on par with him: he wasn't.
Even worse for Cloud, Nomura said that Sephiroth didn't sweat during the
entire fight and never exerted himself. In other words, he wasn't even trying
hard.
--- I spared you the time. This is Ultimania Omega. So the question is - WHY create a character like Seph and WHY bother with such 'hero'? Cloud wins ONLY cause he is 'good'. Pft.
And don't even start about Cloud's insecurities.. He is a walking mass of self-loathing, lack of self-confidence (should I even continue to fight or will I do more damage with my actions?), and obsessions over settling things with Sephiroth. (After Seph returns, Cloud is already obsessed with avenging Seph to a point that sees nothing BUT XD talking about obsessions...)
I mean... seriously. Makes me double up from laughter. CC. There are these 4 SOLDIER 1st class, who trained, received enhancements, won battles. Sephiroth is unquestionably the first among them (even if Genesis is close). Sephiroth literally rapes Zack. Then comes a country boy Cloudy, who has NO training or enhancements, and saves the world. YAY. If they added Genesis in Nibelheim scene, they could have had the decency to redo the later part as well.
Makes me seriously wonder... do you even need training to be better than the BEST SOLDIERs?
And last thing... intelligence. Spend a little time analyzing Seph's actions in FF7. All of them. How they fall into a perfect pattern with a goal at the end. Cloud is... pathetic. He follows after S cause of J cells pull, spends 4/5 of a game trying to sort out his personality problems and figure out what is happening to him. Meanwhile, S advances towards his plan.
Cloud is rendered completely useless, sits in a wheel chair. He gets luck that OTHERS put effort into trying to stop the meteor and destroy the barrier around the NC; to stop WEAPONS. Then he gets lucky again and falls into LS. And then? The PLanet's fate is at stake and all he can come up with is - let's blindly charge into Seph's lair and try our luck. What awaits him down there? Does he bother with the reconnaissance? Pathetic.
And Seph plainly says - sorry, guys, I am greater than the Ancient and deserve to become a god. WHERE is the lack of confidence? He manipulates circumstances and people to get to his goal. He is at a huge disadvantage compared to other villains, since his physical form is dead; he acts through the weaker Jenova. Through manipulating circumstances and using knowledge from LS, he is able to get the BM, call meteor, destroy Shin-Ra with WEAPONs, almost get rid of Cloud, stop Holy and Aerith, etc.
And finally. Cloud AGAIN gets lucky after he pulls a luck-victory over Sephiroth. He didn't achieve anything of what he had hoped it would. Meteor didn't stop. His ONLY time he has some kind of coherent planning in the game appears to be a complete failure. So the Planet stops the Meteor. How can you call the guy intelligent? What goals does he achieve by himself, without constant babysitting and luck? Yeah, he has this thick-headed determination, but other than that he's just... cheap.
By the way. SE reached a point when a villain's defeat no longer speaks bad of a villain. It speaks bad about the protagonist. :D Every single time a villain encounters the protagonist, he suffers a 'brain damage'. Which is very sad. Because they don't bother bringing the protagonist to the level of a villain, including intellectually. The bring the villain DOWN to the level of a protagonist. They have to. Otherwise, the hero will be seriously duped. :D
@SorceressZila but then if we try to analyze all the events in the original FF7 (I refuse to acknowledge any of the later franchise bull), Cloud has somehow always been more than human. From the time he overpowered Sephiroth in the Niblheim Mako reactor to the fact that he survived the SOLDIER Mako treatment albeit nearly dying of Mako poisoning.
Away from the story though, LEVEL 99 Cloud waiz stronger. haha
Well I guess it's just one of those things to accept. That or maybe Sephiroth is still somewhat fragile (I don't know the details of their past, so feel free to correct me), meaning he can still be hurt or killed, so maybe during the fight he was just toying with Cloud, and Cloud took him by surprise. :/
I 'unno, maybe this is why Sephiroth keeps coming back.
@SorceressZila Technically, Sephiroth isn't Jenova's son. He's actually Lucrecia's son. She had an affair with a scientist, even though Vincent loved the crap outta Lucrecia. Imagine that, what if Vincent was Seph's father???
Sephiroth can die because after the WEAPONS were resurrected, his true form was released. Sephiroth was killed by the end of the game but his cells lived on through people after the Meteor incident when Jenova (Meteor) and the Lifestream collided (Geo-Stigma). This was shown in the movie and consequently ended when Cloud defeated the three avatar's that were Sephiroth's soul/body/exsistence, when the last piece of Jenova was destroyed, and when Aerith cured everyone through the Lifestream.
the reason for the same lines is that cloud will never let the past go, he blames himself for Zack's and Aries(is that spelled right?) death and regrets those moments, and he always thinks what if.
oh and Sephiroth will never really die because he's encased in frozen mako(correct me if I'm wrong.) and he's acting through jenova.
@ZodanaBorado I was telling both sides seee. in the movie sephiroth is just an illusion while the other dude fights cloud its in his head . but in the game final fantasy seven cloud became a clone off the old sephiroth just like this one here the old one dieing years back. so you see he is sephiroth and sephiroth is cloud.
....does anyone else spot that cloud keeps saying i just followed by a pause :P infact both cloud of sephiroth do a bit to many dramatic pauses in this game but still nice fighting system
actually yea square and capcom that would actually pretty work pretyt well guys i mean if they make that they'll pretty much earn heaps of money and also sell millions oc copies they should work together sometime
how can i play as sephiroth in story mode do i need to finish cloud and story? cos i cant find any chaos warrior character v_v" plz reply plz plz plz..
@P1n0iGam3rS You can only play as the Chaos Warriors in the optional story modes, Distant Glory and Inward Chaos. You're still required to purchase the character from the PP Shop if you want to play as him anyway
It's called homages. The game's got way too many fans that haven't played the game for its own good. That's why any Sephiroth vs Cloud battles/talks mostly just caters to those fans... I hate it.
The people loving Sephiroth and Cloud fighting never realize that: It's the same thing, it's been done before...
Square Enix can't go bankrupt... Just release 12 new games to Final Fantasy VII, give them different names but the same story and I'll guarantee you they'd make millions of dollars since they'd buy all of them... That's the sad part...
It sadly is. Sephiroth is a character with endless potential. Cloud has NO potential whatsoever. SE should and can try something different, but it seems they got lazy. And try to get money off something that had already worked once. :D
Which makes me wish someone else owned Sephiroth's character. :) And do enough justice to his character in a story similar to Crisis Core, only with different ending. Cloud throwing him into mako reactor is retarded.
Man there are so many charaters that could've been added to this game as secondaries or at least in Dissidia 2! Probably one from each game. From X: Add Auron, Seymour. From VI: Add Locke. From VII: Add Tifa. From IX: Add Garnett, Garoth. From VIII: Add Rinoa, Seifer. From Tactics: Add Ramza, Delita. I could go on if YouTube didn't have this damn char. count
he had last chance activated. this lets you keep 1 hp if you get hit by an attack that'd otherwise kill you. i use it in KH2 all the time. cause Sephiroth shows no forgiveness DX
They're both tools. One to his lack of self-worth, the other to his precious mommy. Honestly, I could have loved these characters more if FF7 had really executed it better. It had potential but just dropped the ball again and again. Sephiroth's "manipulation" of Cloud serves no purpose and his motivations follow no logic.
Str8Murder 2 days ago
Do all of these final fights in this game start with them getting asses handed to them
GuytheDudeify 1 month ago
in a weird way sephiroth was actually pretty friendly and sympathetic. He basically just said i'll be your reason by giving him reasons! this was the closet they ever got to being friends.
ropeittight06 1 month ago
If its dis pear you desire, then I shall...provide
blazinblue777 2 months ago
sephiroth is right, no matter what cloud always finds himself going back to him its like sephiroth is telling him the truth
Brandon000Iron 2 months ago
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JaWMATIZ 2 months ago
did Sephiroth just say," You look good," to Cloud?! 2:45
TheKhangdude 3 months ago
Why the fuck does Sephiroth talk about the shadow or something when he's k.o? You got owned, man, so just yell like the others or shut up!
Kiukiu8 4 months ago 13
@Kiukiu8 Fridge Brilliance: because Sephiroth IS just a shadow.
bstylesv1 7 hours ago
"Can't Smile About This One"
Oh Cloud - Do you Ever Smile?
Biby256 4 months ago 3
@Biby256 he dose accurally :)
THElastOFtheMEXICANS 1 month ago
why is it that cloud and certain other characters always pause halfway through speech...
6Akatsuki6Vampire6 5 months ago in playlist English Dissidia: Final Fantasy Cloud Story Mode
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KooKookid520 5 months ago
@6Akatsuki6Vampire6 They're mimicking Obama
KooKookid520 5 months ago
Bah, why couldnt they make seymour the bad guy for the FF X team? Jecht is a cool dude. Dx
Stevelord666 6 months ago
@Stevelord666 because if they did the hero would be yuna instead of tidus since seymour was made to represent yuna's main enemy
daybreak456 6 months ago
thumbs up if u think that square-enix put more interest in FFVII story :P
Edgarhunk9191 7 months ago 3
@Edgarhunk9191 yeah, definitely right. It was their first 3D title so they wanted the story to match the epic (of that time) graphics.
KooKookid520 5 months ago
how do u push the o button so fast
ichigo7774 7 months ago
1:00 denied
culverandhardy626 7 months ago
how come your game loads so fast
does anybody know a iso that load fast
israel819 8 months ago
@israel819 maybe he has the real game? and he edited out the loading time? :P
TheOneOwner 7 months ago
why is whats err face look like she is not drssed
TheStealth195 8 months ago
I bet Cloud's wishing he never broke up with Sephiroth. Talk about stalker exes.
sinistralwing 8 months ago 3
I don't think Cloud is as emo as everyone claims. He's just burdened and can't let go of the tragedies of his past.
Panffles 9 months ago
Sephiroth: If it's dis pear you want then I shall provide.
Cloud: You like fruits don't you?
Leonknight23 9 months ago
THIS is what Sephy should be like in FF7
runescapekillerful 10 months ago
How to Story mode the badguys?!
darkslasher005 10 months ago
Sephiroth is one hell of a sore loser, he looses and says he somehow wins. Sometimes I think Sephiroth is just bored, he just wakes up deciding he's going to rule the world, then over breakfast he develops a scheme to ride it across the galaxy being an unbelievable prick to any and all that cross his path.
DrinkPAB 10 months ago
3:14 EPIC!
cloudvincent20 10 months ago
Aw. Sephiroth does have a feminine side. Those beads are just so cute.
DeathMasterDark 11 months ago
wait isnt jecht good at the end of ff10
sadeyes2579 11 months ago
@sadeyes2579 Jecht was always good! Yu yevon was behind everything.
strawhatspyros 10 months ago
it's always awesome when someone yells 'Shut up!' in a videogame for some reason. it just is. =3
AquaRainStorm14 11 months ago
has anyone realized the crystals just the activated form of the white materia
waterking179 11 months ago
Sephiroth: If it's Dis Pear you want, then I shall provide.
CrimsonVermillioneye 11 months ago
@CrimsonVermillioneye Cloud:.....DOES IT LOOK LIKE I WANT A FUCKIN PEAR!? I DIDNT WANT ONE IN AC OR IN THE FIRST GAME I WUPPED UR ASS! *pulls out my dead friend's mentor's huge ass epic sword and fights*
Ziggman2g 11 months ago
Cloud is the best not a puppet
KdHeartsXFinFantasy 1 year ago
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KdHeartsXFinFantasy 1 year ago
lol they have the normal Sephiroth song playing in the background.
Kaylyn2006 1 year ago
Sephy is the only bad guy who looks normal xD
PokemonaMoni 1 year ago
the crystal is holy?? O___O omg
fr801 1 year ago
at 1:45 i was expecting the bar with cloud's hp, limit and all like ffVII xD
fr801 1 year ago
Would someone please tell the guy (or gal, but it sounds like a guy) to stop spamming just to rant on how much he hates Cloud? Okay! We get it! Cloud isn't perfect! He's got a lot of flaws!
Yet he still tries. He might hesitate and consider giving up, but he pulls through in the end. So he needs help sometimes. Who doesn't? He's about as human as a fictional character can be. And that's why people like him. (Well, his good looks help, but it's mostly his personality.)
brigidtheirish 1 year ago 4
@brigidtheirish yea a more realistic character is more fun .. i kinda like wen the hero loses at least sometimes =S makes it more entertaining in the end to see how they come out of it. a hero who wins all the time or is unstopable all the time ..is boring .-.
shogunrai 1 year ago
@shogunrai Definitely. Heroes are supposed to struggle to get to the good ending.
brigidtheirish 1 year ago
The day I got this game my psp broke and I never got to play it!
TheNomade5 1 year ago
@TheNomade5 omg that sux i feel so sorry for u!!! its such a good game D:
LunnahBranford 1 year ago
Hey, i'm maybe ( for sure ) getting this game for my PSP. I've seen Cloud in his AC costume in this game, but in this cutscene he has not. Is it some kind of unlockable?
H1W25K1998 1 year ago
@H1W25K1998 well u can unlock it, but in this it's never used in cutscenes, just for battles
archdust50 1 year ago
0:19 Finally Cloud speaks up! Music to my ears!
0:51 Oh great! Back to the low mono tones...Just great....
ShadowCatGirl1 1 year ago
1:33-1:41 Absolutely Epic!
ChinoDolla2888 1 year ago
*Sighs* I really love Cloud and Seph. They've been my favorite Hero/Villain duo for years.....but they seriously need a break. I mean, come on, give other FFVII characters a chance to shine! Honestly, I wouldn't mind having a Zack & Genesis fight next time around in Dissidia, but...I doubt it.
Sohryuden666 1 year ago
Am i the only one who finds it annoying how Cloud and Squall ( leon for those kingdom heart lovers) never really meet or fight within the story.
dawgxx13 1 year ago
@dawgxx13 You're not alone!! That made me sooo mad!
kikaislight 1 year ago
Sephiroth: You're nothing but a-
Cloud: I know! "You're nothing but a puppet!" That's what u say every fricken time we meet! But ya know what Sephiroth?!?!?
Sephiroth: What?
Cloud: ♫ I've got no strings, to hold me up....!!!♫
LunnahBranford 1 year ago 78
@LunnahBranford
lol
Serena2009ification 1 year ago
Kadaj achieves this and so Sephiroth comes back. Having gained control of the lanet he ready to do wat is most important to him, beat Cloud in a swordfight as he has been unable to do for nearly a decade now. He fights and pushes cloud to his limits and tries to sea the deal, but Cloud defeated him with Omnislash in the end.
ColonelHakha 1 year ago
After that Cloud & Co work to activate Holy, stop Shinra and the WEAPON's and travel to the Northern Crater to defeat Sephiroth so Holy will release. They try their best, which was enough, Sephiroth is unable to fight them and supress Holy at the same time and dies, he wasn't dead before this., neither he nor Cloud lost their physical bodies when they entered the Lifestream.
ColonelHakha 1 year ago
@ColonelHakha After that Sephiroth works to rebuild himself, but he needs to leave behind everything except what is most important. To Sephiroth, that is his hatred for Cloud. He correpts the Lifestream and COULD subtly destroy the Planet. But that's not how Sephiroth operates, he wants to make himself known to Cloud, thus Kadaj and Geostigma. But that's not enough. He wants to come back in his physical form, because, more then anything, he want one last chance to beat Cloud fair and square.
ColonelHakha 1 year ago
Cloud's luck: Cloud can luckily lift gigantic swords, luckily gians skills over the course of fighting in the game just like everyone else in your party and indeed the Final Fantasy series, luckily makes friends by saving their lives who do not give p on their world upon his departure and look out for him, and when a WEAPON (who wasn't summoned by S BTW) comes destroys the ground where the LS is nearest to the surface, where he thus surfaced, gravity luckily pulls in down into it.
ColonelHakha 1 year ago
@ColonelHakha Then when he recovers, he luckily decides to not give up on life and tries is best to safe the Planet.
VMarron, do you understand the concept of luck?
Anyway, yes over the course of the game Cloud is controlled by Jenova's cells. These react to the Jenova Reunion and thus he goes after Sephiroth, he's not obsessed, he's being summoned, lucky for Sephiroth and later the Planet. Sephiroth does in fact make use of the opportunity and uses Cloud to obtain the BM, then ditches him.
ColonelHakha 1 year ago
Let's start with your initial point, experience>everything, a new guy could never beat a guy who spend his whole life fighting. In other words, 99% of fiction in BS, because 99% of fiction does this, introduces someone new who rapidly gains skills at exceed those who have done it longer then then him. And no Zack is no different. He was a nobody that became a SOLDER 1st Class that defeated Genesis who is supposedly Genesis' equal in two years as well. That was at 16 years old.
ColonelHakha 1 year ago
Cloud has no such insecurities, Sephiroth needs to get in his head for him to feel inconfident. Sephirothcannot be argued to suddenly become stupid when it comes to Cloud. He came back BECAUSE of his obsession with Cloud and only through that he can hold on, his inferioriy complex is wellestablished.
ColonelHakha 1 year ago
@ColonelHakha
ALL Cloud says - I'll go and try my luck. Maybe, I'll beat the guy. Now that's intelligence. Compared to the plan Sephiroth executed in FF7 (before he had to fight Cloud in NC, but I already said that villains on final stage ALL suffer brain damage) he is nowhere near.
Moreover, Cloud is ALL about cheap luck. And "sudden powers" which are given to him by producers out of thin air. Zack would have worked better. To have powers you need to TRAIN!
VMarron 1 year ago
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VMarron 1 year ago
Sephiroth was beaten by Cloud the first time, all his clones were killed, all his Jenova were killed, his own physical form was killed, then Cloud beat him inthe Lifestream then he came back for five minutes before Cloud beat him again. Not even in confidence or intelligence either. Why do you think he appeared to Cloud in AC? Because he needed to? No. He could take the Planet as it is, slowly through GeoStigma but because of his ineriority complex towards Cloud he felt he had to prove himself.
ColonelHakha 1 year ago
@ColonelHakha
Erm? Maybe, we played different games. XD About 1st defeat I already asked. About AC - Kadaj called him. Seph really had no choice but to appear. He didn't really seem to care at all about Cloud. Except get revenge when he had a chance.
And FF7? Damn. Cloud is ALL game 1 step behind Seph. He is being blindly manipulated, both through J cells and mind games. He is almost killed when Seph calls a WEAPON. He never HAS a decent plan how to fight Seph.
VMarron 1 year ago
lol i thought ultimacia was gonna eternal mortal combat!! XDDD
Tekirai 1 year ago
always wondered are they actual REAL enemies of each other?
guthixpwnz 1 year ago
Lol Cloud, You cant say "you choose your own path" and then turn around and say "So be it, if Thats your destiny", its a contradiction. You hot silly man you!
LvngDedGrl666 1 year ago
CLOUD vs sephiroth is a battle that has been repeated waaay to much times now especialy in some of the final fantasy series -_-
shadic381 1 year ago
I'm sorry, but given Cloud's background, compared to Sephiroth's, we all know Seph would kick Cloud's ass in one-on-one combat. He's Jenova's son for f*ck's sake, not to mention, he has almost as much Mako thrumming in his veins as the Lifestream.
I mean, I get it, Cloud's the hero, he has to win, but realistically, Sephiroth would.
Then again, shame on me to put logic into any Japanese animation or game.
SorceressZila 1 year ago 20
@SorceressZila thats a stupid answer cloud can kick sephiroth's ass anywhere ya know why out of all the time ive existed cloud is one of the legendary five warriors and ya know THOSE WARRIORS ARE ALMOST AS STRONG AS GODS!!! SEPHIROTH'S COMPARED TO CLOUD WOULD MEAN SEPHIROTH IS WEAKER SO GET THAT IN UR SKULL GODAMNIT
shadic381 1 year ago
@shadic381 Because all those capital letters are so convincing...
You've proven nothing, except perhaps that Cloud manages to have some very interesting, if not, illiterate, fans who can't manage to compose a decent argument.
I'll consider you a challenge if your volume recedes and your IQ climbs back up.
SorceressZila 1 year ago
@SorceressZila what do u mean my iq climbs back up
shadic381 1 year ago
You, guys, seriously crack me up! Cloud beats Sephiroth for only ONE coherent reason - producers decided so, cause Cloudy is 'good' and Seph is 'evil'. Plain and simple. Heroes win, villains lose. Now, the logic is where they fail. Sephiroth has his powers logically - he trained all his life, absorbed the knowledge of LS, etc. Where Cloudy gets his, citing wiki, "sudden powers" is a good question. Maybe, from spending 4 years in a mako tank where his muscles should have deteriorated. :D
VMarron 1 year ago 2
@SorceressZila I know that cloud has killed sephiroth 7 times now, it's looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong past the point where you can make any kind of excuse for Sephiroth, h can't beat Cloud plain and simpe.
ColonelHakha 1 year ago
@ColonelHakha
And who's to blame for that? Sephiroth is logically more
1. Powerful.
2. Skillful.
3. Intelligent.
4. Confident, etc, etc, etc...
than CLoud will ever be in his entire life. Now... Seph's only 'problem' is that he is an antagonist. Of course, Cloud will win. Who will play a game where a hero shamelessly loses to the villain? I mean I would. Cause Seph IS the BEST!!! XD But I am like one in 10000. XD Squeenix will go bankrupt...
VMarron 1 year ago
@VMarron
I've destroyed Cloud's character on so many occasions. XD With pleasure. So the debate will make sense when at least ONE villain in FF series will have a complete and full victory over the protagonist (don't bring Kuja - he didn't achieve his final goal either). Then we can talk. If not - it shamelessly is because a hero has to win. No matter how stupid, weak, and all that said hero is and logically should be. :D
VMarron 1 year ago
@VMarron Powerful? Skillful? At the end of the day Sephiroth doesn't have anything better then Omnislash Version 6. Now, Genesis, Sephiroth and Aerith have all had control of the Lifestream, which make them more powerful, but on the ground in one-on-one battle. Sephiroth is never been suggested to be above Cloud. There was no, first the villian beats the protagonist, then the protagonist turn it around over the course of the game like with Golbez, Exdeath or Kuja.
ColonelHakha 1 year ago
@ColonelHakha
Really? 1. Sephiroth is dead. Unlike every other villain you mentioned? Why is he dead? Because a boy CLoud who never made it into SOLDIER, never had mako, threw him into reactor. Question: HOW? WHAT gave him that power? Cheap, unfounded luck.
2. Maybe, you can explain me (everyone else failed) - HOW can a person who spend 4 years in a mako tank, never had much experience, never won a war BE more skillful than a person whose life was fighting? Does experience come in his dreams?
VMarron 1 year ago
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VMarron 1 year ago
It's said that Cloud was outmatched when it came to the fight with Sephiroth.
Sorry everybody who thinks that Cloud was almost on par with him: he wasn't.
Even worse for Cloud, Nomura said that Sephiroth didn't sweat during the
entire fight and never exerted himself. In other words, he wasn't even trying
hard.
--- I spared you the time. This is Ultimania Omega. So the question is - WHY create a character like Seph and WHY bother with such 'hero'? Cloud wins ONLY cause he is 'good'. Pft.
VMarron 1 year ago 2
@VMarron
And don't even start about Cloud's insecurities.. He is a walking mass of self-loathing, lack of self-confidence (should I even continue to fight or will I do more damage with my actions?), and obsessions over settling things with Sephiroth. (After Seph returns, Cloud is already obsessed with avenging Seph to a point that sees nothing BUT XD talking about obsessions...)
VMarron 1 year ago
I mean... seriously. Makes me double up from laughter. CC. There are these 4 SOLDIER 1st class, who trained, received enhancements, won battles. Sephiroth is unquestionably the first among them (even if Genesis is close). Sephiroth literally rapes Zack. Then comes a country boy Cloudy, who has NO training or enhancements, and saves the world. YAY. If they added Genesis in Nibelheim scene, they could have had the decency to redo the later part as well.
VMarron 1 year ago
Makes me seriously wonder... do you even need training to be better than the BEST SOLDIERs?
And last thing... intelligence. Spend a little time analyzing Seph's actions in FF7. All of them. How they fall into a perfect pattern with a goal at the end. Cloud is... pathetic. He follows after S cause of J cells pull, spends 4/5 of a game trying to sort out his personality problems and figure out what is happening to him. Meanwhile, S advances towards his plan.
VMarron 1 year ago
Cloud is rendered completely useless, sits in a wheel chair. He gets luck that OTHERS put effort into trying to stop the meteor and destroy the barrier around the NC; to stop WEAPONS. Then he gets lucky again and falls into LS. And then? The PLanet's fate is at stake and all he can come up with is - let's blindly charge into Seph's lair and try our luck. What awaits him down there? Does he bother with the reconnaissance? Pathetic.
VMarron 1 year ago
And Seph plainly says - sorry, guys, I am greater than the Ancient and deserve to become a god. WHERE is the lack of confidence? He manipulates circumstances and people to get to his goal. He is at a huge disadvantage compared to other villains, since his physical form is dead; he acts through the weaker Jenova. Through manipulating circumstances and using knowledge from LS, he is able to get the BM, call meteor, destroy Shin-Ra with WEAPONs, almost get rid of Cloud, stop Holy and Aerith, etc.
VMarron 1 year ago
And finally. Cloud AGAIN gets lucky after he pulls a luck-victory over Sephiroth. He didn't achieve anything of what he had hoped it would. Meteor didn't stop. His ONLY time he has some kind of coherent planning in the game appears to be a complete failure. So the Planet stops the Meteor. How can you call the guy intelligent? What goals does he achieve by himself, without constant babysitting and luck? Yeah, he has this thick-headed determination, but other than that he's just... cheap.
VMarron 1 year ago
@ColonelHakha
By the way. SE reached a point when a villain's defeat no longer speaks bad of a villain. It speaks bad about the protagonist. :D Every single time a villain encounters the protagonist, he suffers a 'brain damage'. Which is very sad. Because they don't bother bringing the protagonist to the level of a villain, including intellectually. The bring the villain DOWN to the level of a protagonist. They have to. Otherwise, the hero will be seriously duped. :D
VMarron 1 year ago
@SorceressZila but then if we try to analyze all the events in the original FF7 (I refuse to acknowledge any of the later franchise bull), Cloud has somehow always been more than human. From the time he overpowered Sephiroth in the Niblheim Mako reactor to the fact that he survived the SOLDIER Mako treatment albeit nearly dying of Mako poisoning.
Away from the story though, LEVEL 99 Cloud waiz stronger. haha
Let's just enjoy the game as it is.:)
thenothing7137 1 year ago
@SorceressZila the thing is, theres noting realistic in games so... not
Tempo24 1 year ago
@SorceressZila
Well I guess it's just one of those things to accept. That or maybe Sephiroth is still somewhat fragile (I don't know the details of their past, so feel free to correct me), meaning he can still be hurt or killed, so maybe during the fight he was just toying with Cloud, and Cloud took him by surprise. :/
I 'unno, maybe this is why Sephiroth keeps coming back.
RonnieKane 1 year ago
@SorceressZila Just like the time when Cecil & friends went to the moon without astronauts suits? that was like "lol they don't breath air"
Fineneoghostx2 6 months ago
@SorceressZila Technically, Sephiroth isn't Jenova's son. He's actually Lucrecia's son. She had an affair with a scientist, even though Vincent loved the crap outta Lucrecia. Imagine that, what if Vincent was Seph's father???
KooKookid520 5 months ago
Man these two have big swords. Anyone think they are over compensating for something :)
top1terra1girl 1 year ago 2
Sephiroth can die because after the WEAPONS were resurrected, his true form was released. Sephiroth was killed by the end of the game but his cells lived on through people after the Meteor incident when Jenova (Meteor) and the Lifestream collided (Geo-Stigma). This was shown in the movie and consequently ended when Cloud defeated the three avatar's that were Sephiroth's soul/body/exsistence, when the last piece of Jenova was destroyed, and when Aerith cured everyone through the Lifestream.
bahamuttamer597 1 year ago
Ironically finished with omnislash.
ssbmaster5 1 year ago
the reason for the same lines is that cloud will never let the past go, he blames himself for Zack's and Aries(is that spelled right?) death and regrets those moments, and he always thinks what if.
oh and Sephiroth will never really die because he's encased in frozen mako(correct me if I'm wrong.) and he's acting through jenova.
fell free to correct me.
RAZORBLADE586 1 year ago
@ssbmaster5 Ironically looks exactly like the last battle on final fantasy 7. (The beginning anyway)
jokermf461 1 year ago
@jokermf461 ironic that you bring that up.
ssbmaster5 1 year ago
OH NO!!!!!! wat hottie do i cheer for????!!!!!!
LunnahBranford 1 year ago
6:11 sounds kinda like namine's theme from kh XD
lol his crystal looks like Holy!
ImATumor5 1 year ago
ff7 is so popular, im sure they made this scene for those fans.
ImATumor5 1 year ago
@weegeeandtailsdoll true but its just like a dbz movie though not with the series
ZodanaBorado 1 year ago
@weegeeandtailsdoll it is non cannon shut up!
ZodanaBorado 1 year ago
@weegeeandtailsdoll rofl still doesnt matter its non cannon! so on Cloud's Quote shut up!
ZodanaBorado 1 year ago
@weegeeandtailsdoll No its not Cannon its not even in Square Enix's mainstream its made sub by sqaure as a fan request.
ZodanaBorado 1 year ago
@weegeeandtailsdoll I was talking in both the different universes the cannon one which is the game and the non cannon one which is the movie.
ZodanaBorado 1 year ago
@weegeeandtailsdoll Cloud is a clone of sephiroth.
ZodanaBorado 1 year ago
@ZodanaBorado I was telling both sides seee. in the movie sephiroth is just an illusion while the other dude fights cloud its in his head . but in the game final fantasy seven cloud became a clone off the old sephiroth just like this one here the old one dieing years back. so you see he is sephiroth and sephiroth is cloud.
ZodanaBorado 1 year ago
@weegeeandtailsdoll I'm aware of that now. I wasn't when I made that comment.
AnimeAngel88 1 year ago
If you say "Sephirot" in front of the mirror 3 times...you'll get bored...
JeffHardy310 1 year ago
sephiroth kicks ass
Ultimadesonic 1 year ago
i miss limits breaks in FF >:p no limit break in 13 or 12 blah
jinson12345 1 year ago
Long live cloud
DARTHCOOKIES0 1 year ago
i love sephiroth's battle music
MonyTheCAt 1 year ago 2
Cloud is coolest :)
SloSparta 1 year ago 3
Just die for once Sepheroth.
HyperShadic100 2 years ago 14
@HyperShadic100,
correction: Die and stay Dead! Don't leave any remnants this time!
xXxbeisel76xXx 2 years ago 2
NO! Sephiroth CAN'T die! T-T
animequeen567668 1 year ago
@HyperShadic100 nooooooooooo
ichigo666deathdealer 1 year ago
....does anyone else spot that cloud keeps saying i just followed by a pause :P infact both cloud of sephiroth do a bit to many dramatic pauses in this game but still nice fighting system
UliothFTW 2 years ago
Wonder why Cloud don't keep the Ultimate Weapon
Runixzan 2 years ago
actually yea square and capcom that would actually pretty work pretyt well guys i mean if they make that they'll pretty much earn heaps of money and also sell millions oc copies they should work together sometime
Hakuru15 2 years ago
nice final blow
Ruchoxs 2 years ago
how can i play as sephiroth in story mode do i need to finish cloud and story? cos i cant find any chaos warrior character v_v" plz reply plz plz plz..
P1n0iGam3rS 2 years ago
@P1n0iGam3rS You can only play as the Chaos Warriors in the optional story modes, Distant Glory and Inward Chaos. You're still required to purchase the character from the PP Shop if you want to play as him anyway
kaihedgie 2 years ago
They should had put tifa in there
badasmcgee 2 years ago
i think gilgamesh should have appeared here somewhere
Drpissed 2 years ago
If Sora was a secret character for Cosmos, I know who is a good pick for Chaos.
Ansem, The Seeker of Darkness!!!
HeihachiIsGod 2 years ago 2
the seeker of darkness ansem and his annoying dark gaurdan, it would be cool if they switched ansem for xemnas though
marie90 2 years ago
Sora from kingdom hearts should be a hidden character
B4MV36563 2 years ago
Definitely
If Sora could make it, why not a few other guest characters?
My picks are: Dante, Nero, Vergil, and Sparda from the Devil May Cry series
Just think of all the battles that could ensue between DMC and FF.......
Saint1429 2 years ago 2
why'd he get thumbs down, the Devil May Cry characters are kick ass
Shadowreaper35 2 years ago 6
I guess a few FF fanboys got butt hurt because I did not even mention their beloved characters
Or they probably thought I was trashing it, so they get on my ass 4 even mentioning it
Saint1429 2 years ago
@Saint1429 sora would make sense. DMC wouldn't good day sir
kyuubinaruto 2 years ago
Why not DMC?
There's lots of fans all around the world that talk about Sephiroth vs. Vergil, Cloud vs. Dante, etc.
Why not just put them in there to make them settle things once and for all?
Saint1429 2 years ago
@Saint1429 square wouldn't do anything like that. unless it is affiliated with them in someway. if capcom were to work with square it MIGHT happen
kyuubinaruto 2 years ago
Yeah
That's what I'm trying to say
If Capcom could work something out w/ the boys at Square Enix, it could work
Saint1429 2 years ago
@B4MV36563 Need Disney's approval
kaihedgie 2 years ago
@B4MV36563 They may consider putting KH chars in the possible sequel
AnimeAngel88 2 years ago
i hope they make it for ps3
tcisking90 2 years ago
either that or Xbox 360
Ziggman2g 2 years ago
The dialogue between Sephiroth and Cloud is so repetitive. This was the same thing in Advent Children, and Kingdom Hearts I and II.
SorceressZila 2 years ago 17
It's called homages. The game's got way too many fans that haven't played the game for its own good. That's why any Sephiroth vs Cloud battles/talks mostly just caters to those fans... I hate it.
northernOctantis 2 years ago 3
Dido. I mean, I adore Cloud and Seph, but geeze, these two need a vacation. They work too hard on these things.
SorceressZila 2 years ago 2
@SorceressZila Their actors are probably getting tired of saying the same thing over and over with just a few lines different...
KisiroKitsune 1 year ago
@SorceressZila
The people loving Sephiroth and Cloud fighting never realize that: It's the same thing, it's been done before...
Square Enix can't go bankrupt... Just release 12 new games to Final Fantasy VII, give them different names but the same story and I'll guarantee you they'd make millions of dollars since they'd buy all of them... That's the sad part...
Riku7538 1 year ago
@SorceressZila
It sadly is. Sephiroth is a character with endless potential. Cloud has NO potential whatsoever. SE should and can try something different, but it seems they got lazy. And try to get money off something that had already worked once. :D
Which makes me wish someone else owned Sephiroth's character. :) And do enough justice to his character in a story similar to Crisis Core, only with different ending. Cloud throwing him into mako reactor is retarded.
VMarron 1 year ago
As much as I love games liek this, and Kingdom Hearts, i kinda think they ruin the original, making it even more confusing.
JellooMeMelloo 2 years ago 2
sephiroth is only a memory to cloud, or never will be!
gallantmon4 2 years ago
what a weak puppeteer Sephiroth is then...
xxpwnxx6 2 years ago
Why does he have so little health?!?! Hes frikin Sephiroth after all!
mesha0X 2 years ago
you are nothing but a puppet...
puppet...
puppet....
ahh... enough i heard it every time i see when sephy with cloud. -_-;
Ezfiey 2 years ago
@Ezfiey
I couldent tell what side sephiroths on. he doesnt really care about anything exept for fighting cloud
mesha0X 2 years ago 3
then it would seem hes on whatever side allows him to do that
Black1625 2 years ago
cloud sounds so young like he just gone through puberty
yyzmarcy 2 years ago
the crystal looks like light materia
TheFaIIenReaper 2 years ago 2
Sephiroth DID study in the Nebeilheim Mansion Basement. He probably found a way to come back to life.
Cloud575501 2 years ago
Man there are so many charaters that could've been added to this game as secondaries or at least in Dissidia 2! Probably one from each game. From X: Add Auron, Seymour. From VI: Add Locke. From VII: Add Tifa. From IX: Add Garnett, Garoth. From VIII: Add Rinoa, Seifer. From Tactics: Add Ramza, Delita. I could go on if YouTube didn't have this damn char. count
Zero121090X 2 years ago
Only locke from VI not Celes too? (if any thing i would chose celes over locke!)
mangafreak29 2 years ago
2:16 why sephiroth didnt die? the damage is more than his health...
sunsigil3510 2 years ago
@sunsigil3510
because of last chance
look in upper rigt hand corner it's like second chance and others from KH if you played KH but yeah it tell you when they use it
Naruto491multigamer 2 years ago
he had last chance activated. this lets you keep 1 hp if you get hit by an attack that'd otherwise kill you. i use it in KH2 all the time. cause Sephiroth shows no forgiveness DX
waytothudawn 2 years ago
@sunsigil3510 he used last chance wich gives him 1 hp left
yyzmarcy 2 years ago
Eh.. They should just play a match of Halo over it all. xD I would love, LOVE to see those two go head to head at Halo.
AngelxFiend 2 years ago 2