@tradernorton05 Janet Napolitano, former ARIZONA governor and US homeland security secretary was in the front row standing and clapping hard! I didn't vote for her to make her Governor back in 2003, but she betrayed Arizona as another insider politician going after her own power!
I say when we take back our country we try all these punks for treason and we run all the people who hate our country OUT . If you hate the way we do things here . LEAVE . because you are not going to change us .
A new low has been reached, my friends, A tin pot leader of a country, with a many times more onerous immigration policy, is asked by socialist Obozo and dem leadership to insult the USA....Then they give him a standing ovation ?!?! November can't come soon enough.
Impeach, try, and execute every traitor to the USA who stood and clapped for that lowlife piece of shit Messkin. Just another push toward the bloody revolution the Dhimmicrats so persistently incite.
This stupid Mexican should shut the hell up. Tell him to go to Hell! But the dumbass morons who stood up an cheered for this stupid Mexican, have no balls.
This Mexican president can't even run his own country properly so how could he possibly have the nerve to come over here and criticize America? In addition, immigration and illegal entry laws are even more strict in his country. What were these American people that were standing and cheering thinking?
Everyone look SeanScythe is just doing damage control and feeding people misinformation. He claims to have a point, but won't acknowldege facts even after I spoon fed it to him in an email and in a comment. He's just mad that he's wrong and can't stand someone else being right. Now he's doing personal attacks to distract from the AZ law. Sad.
Everyone look awesomerepublican is just a troll he is feeding off the bickering. He claims to have a point but doesn't. He don't back up his comments other then saying oh I posted facts when he hasn't just don't feed the troll and he will go away. He's just mad he found out his mom had sex with an illegal alien for $35 and now he is fighting to keep his dad in the country.
Everyon look: SeanScythe is in damage control because I just served him a tall glass of shut the hell up after I spoon fed him the section of the AZ law that showed exactly where it indicates the selective and unfair application of the immigration status check.
Don't take his or my word for it. Google it yourself.
SB1070 Section 2 article 8 subsection B (line 20-26)
OR you can read the actual law itself slowly instead of reading any spin from the convservative paper.
You keep repeating the wrong thing. But you keep glossing over one simple thing. You don't need to provide such identification during all lawful stops.
If you keep ignoring that, of course you'd keep repeating the same thing over and over again.
well I can't say I'm surprised. those pansies in office would applaud any statement that slammed any part of the US. Some dictator could say "I hate Mexicans and Blacks should rule the world" and he'd get a standing ovation. As long as it has "race" in it they'll love it.
This just goes to show that there is no liberal media in the US, only that there is a conservative media.
Every media outlet you turned to about health insurance reform all they said was death panel death panel death panel death panel. But none of those people read the bill.
Conservatives have no problem making up rumors when they haven't read the health bill, but when people point out the flaws in a bill THEY like, it's all "did you read the bill? did you read the bill?"
Apparently Preisdent Calderon you don't practice what you preach. You protect your border to the south to keep Central Americans out of Mexico. You deport those who don't have proper documentation.
Also will someone tell my sorry Senator from Florida Bill Nelson to sit down and stop applauding. Maybe if Calderon worked on creating an economy in Mexico, both countries wouldn't have this issue!
What a typical middle-of-the-road republican mentality:
We are intolerant and don't LIKE you or what you think. I think I'll get a bunch of people together and vote to rob a group of people's rights to do it. A la:
Jim Crow
Prop 8
Abortion
Conservatives love hogging civil liberties and robbing people who don't like them theirs.
Awesome: It's common sense. IF YOU HAD ANY YOU WOULD KNOW THAT!!! Obama KNOWS that the Arizona law does not introduce anything new. I have read the law. In every section it refers to the FEDERAL IMMIGRATION LAW that exists today. It makes sure that it does NOT circumvent that law in ANY MANNER!!! Obama knows that the Democrats have been getting BAD PRESS LATELY and he's trying to do a little rope-a-dope by getting people to talk about something else!
That's where you'd be wrong. The Az law expands upon the existing laws giving police the ability to stop people based purely on suspicion-no evidence, just suspicion.
Arizona's law SPECIFICALLY says that a person cannot be questioned about their legal status UNLESS they're involved in another crime AND cannot provide ID (Drivers license, State ID, Green Card, etc. are all acceptable).
Arizona's law also SPECIFICALLY states there will be no prosecution for any cases based solely on race or national origin.
Who CAN question someone on suspicion alone? The U.S. Federal Immigration authorities & Mexico, to name only 2.
Where reasonable suspicion exists that the person is an alien who is unlawfully present in the US, a reasonable attempt shall be made to determine the immigration status of the person.
It promotes suspicion and is not fair. If it read, and shall check immigration status of all people stopped or detained, then that's different. But it says if there is suspicion.
AFTER they've broken another law & AFTER they can't produce a valid ID or provide valid personal info. to be run through a database, THAT is "reasonable suspicion". Just as a white person could be suspected on a warrant.
What part of this do you not understand?: "Police may only investigate immigration status incident to a "lawful stop, detention, or arrest" -and- "prosecutors would not investigate complaints based on race, color or national origin".
Lawful stop doesn't mean, like you incorrectly said, "AFTER they've broken another law..."
They are relying on cops' suspicion on a person's legal status.
YOU TELL ME. Without evidence, how would a cop suspect a person's immigration status? With no evidence, they are left with stereotyping, gut feeling, guessing. That totally promotes racial profiling. It's not as if the law says, after a lawful stop, CHECK ALL PEOPLE'S immigration status.
That's not what it says. You're misrepresenting again.
They don't check EVERYONE'S immigration status. It says only if they suspect. I wonder how many rich white people they will "suspect" are illegal aliens......
I just can't get mad at you idiots anymore, it's gotten so ridiculous that you're like the sideshow at a carnival. I can see some kid saying "Hey Mommy, Lets go see the liberal race baiter."
"Ok Betty Sue, but don't feed him. You never know when they might bite or fling poo at you."
sorry to disappoint but that was my OPINION, just like the left I don't have to back up my opinion with merits. It's based on a trend I have been seeing for quite some time. They hate America and everything She stands for.
I know that, but that doesn't mean they will automatically check immigration status for everyone they stop. They ONLY check the ones they suspect are illegal aliens. But how the heck can you just tell from looking at someone their legal status? You guess it, by racial profiling and stereotypes alone.
If the law read that they have to check everyone they stop, then that would be fair.
Wrong, you can have suspicions based on several factors.
Do they speak english, if not you check to see if they have a visa because it is a requirement of naturalization that an immigrant learn the language. If there are 20 people packed into the back of a moving truck when it is pulled over you ask them if they are in the country illegally. There are several others but youtubes comment limit prevents me from listing them. I hate to see everyone taking Mexicos side over USA
There is a differance between Profiling and Racial Profiling. Police Profile all the time. You are so closed minded to how law works, you may want to take the obama glasses off and wake up. We are being invaded, Americans are losing their jobs, our country is in massive debt and all you care about are illegal aliens being profiled and getting sent home.
And that applies to all people, including whites asians arabs hispanics, and it justified by the 1968 case Terry v. Ohio, when the Supreme Court ruled in favor of it.
MY GOD -- Your level of stupidity is truly astounding.
EVERYONE has to show ID after breaking the law. You asked why they're not checking everyone's status? LMAO! Get your 2 brain cells bumping. If someone shows valid ID, there's no need to check immigration status! Are you seriously this mind-blowing stupid??
2nd time: Federal Authorities conduct raids & stings based on "suspicion". Where has everyone's outrage been for all these years?
MY GOD -- Your level of stupidity is truly astounding.
NOT ALL LAWFUL STOPS require breaking of the law. Get your normal amount of brain cells working properly. Are you seriously mind-blowingly willfully ignorant?? Or are you just trying to perform damage control for the 2010GOP?
The language of the law in question, engrossed SB 1070, police check immigration status if they suspect THE PERSON IS AN ILLEGAL ALIEN AFTER the lawful stop.
So how do you tell from looking at someone their legal status?? Racial profiling and stereotyping.
Yes, but during a lawful stop, they can check a legal citizen such as myself for ID. It has been that way for quite some time. So, if they already have the authority to ask a citizen for ID, why can't they check a non citizen?
How do you tell they might be illegals? Simple. They can't produce an ID of any kind, and they can't give information the cop can feed into the computer if they don't have an ID and claim they lost it.
I think it's interesting how you automatically start racial profiling mexicans with your statement. Did I say that those 20 people were mexican? NO. They could be italian, german, even canadian and I would expect that to be a red flag. Also your friends in government have decided that speedy gonzalez is a racist show that portrays mexicans in a negative light. It's interesting that you use that as one of your arguments.
Hiibel v. Sixth Judicial District Court of Nevada, (2004), held that statutes requiring suspects to identify themselves during a stop did not violate either the Fourth or Fifth Amendments. Under Terry v. Ohio (1968), the minimal intrusion on a suspect's privacy, and the legitimate need of law enforcement officers to quickly dispel suspicion that an individual is engaged in criminal activity, justified requiring a suspect to identify himself.
Finally! Someone who will listen and look at facts! Thank you!
People's beef with the AZ's SB1070 does not have to do with asking for ID. The thing is, not all stops require showing ID. Plus the way the SB1070 reads, the suspicion of legal status may prompt status check but not for when they don't suspect. It's this unbalanced way of administering the law that people don't like.
first of all, a perm resident or person with a visa has to show ID anytime a cop asks anyway. That hasn't changed, it has always been like that.
It won't harm hispanics native born here. Most of them don't walk in groups in remote areas, pile into a car with 10+people, mostly adults. They almost always speak fluent English.
They should simply check EVERYBODY they stop. Then that would be fair without question: No objections. No complaints about profiling. No complaints about suspecting 1st generation immigrants who are completely legally here but have heavy accents. No issue with higher percentage of checking people who look non-white.
Speaking of capitalism, our government should not be up for sale like it is now. Since our public officials are up for sale, so is our laws, and so is any law protecting the American people.
It's bad enough corporations resist change to protect consumers, but they actually buy the represtatives to make LAWS to protect them from changing.
Corporations should be left to fail....except that's not what happens, because they buy out statesmen to make laws that allow such stupid things as "too big to fail" and bailout provisions that reward the fraud and corrupt practices and put the whole tab right back on the taxpayer.
The corporations should have been left to fail . Just like anyone else . I for one like Capitalism . These companies put us to work but if they get too greedy or mismanage thier company . They deserve to fail!
You're right! The companies that cannot make it on their own in a Capitalist environment SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO FAIL!!! Stop spending my tax dollars to shore up corrupt establishments! There is NO SUCH THING AS TOO BIG TO FAIL!!!
Clarification: there IS such a thing as too big too fail, but there shouldn't be such a thing as it's anti choice and competition as the free market principles so highly esteemed would dictate.
Watch Calderon's FULL interview with Wolf Blitzer. Calderon says authorities in Mexico ask for documentation & if they are illegal, they "send back them".
Support Arizona with a BUYcott!! The following companies are headquartered in Arizona.... PLEASE support them as much as you can!! And if you support Arizona, please pass the list to everyone you know!!
Best Western, Cold Stone Creamery, Dial soap products, Go Daddy, PetSmart, U-haul, US Airways
Boy I just LOVE bailing out the corporations with our tax dollars for their own fraudulent behavior and blowing away our nest eggs. I LOVE giving corporations more money because they lost all our money so that they can make....more money!
teronman is for real. everyone disregard him becuase he is true...truly ignorant. if you were unfortunate enough to read what he writes, you'll grasp in no time that he is very insecure and can't wait to discriminate because others don't look like him because he is insecure with himself and need to project his bad qualities on to others. And lets please watch our language. Language is powerful and should not be misused by angry insecure individuals to push hate.
@awesomerepublican c'mon big mouth! You're the one that brought up all the claims that we are sitting back and letting the corporations buy us back into slavery! I just want you to to your money where your big mouth is! SHOW ME SOME PROOF!!!!! Have the guts to back up your statements! That's the whole problem with just drive-by blogging! You can say anything! Make up anything! Leave a comment and then walk away too afraid to back it up! Let's see your proof about ANYTHING YOU'VE SAID!!!!
@karryf None of these punks can back up what they say . It always comes down to bashing when asked to prove thier point . They cannot proove it and they know it . This is all part of the propaganda that the libs are pushing . He either works for Acorn , SEIU or , some other arm of the Marxist , Socialist, Communist movement .
None of these punks can back up what they say. It always comes down to anger and emotion rather than facts. This is all part of the propoganda that the neocons are pushing. They either work for faux, is paid off by corporations, or some other arm of the insecure xenophobs movement.
The only one people are trying to ignor is you because you are so full of yourself and telling lies it's sad really.
BTW there is no racial Profiling in the bill if you had read it you would know. You can say you read it but that's the same as a two year old reading it. Sure they may now some of the words but the meaning and what it means are lost on their small minds. Same is with you you are spreading lies and hate.
awesomerepublican is a fake . everyone flag him and get him off here . Look at his page and his contacts . It speaks for itself . And guys lets please watch our language . There are children on here .
Amazing! Kids bashing this administration for their bad hair day to being late for work, part of conservative strategy to blame liberals to distract from what's really going on with the "buy out this country" plan of corporations. Back to slavery if so.
A guy on here that says he is a "terror man".I would be willing to bet any reasonable amount of money that he indeed is terrorizing the public with his misinformation. Stand up against conservative media spin and corporate take over.
@awesomerepublican Back to Slavery? Wow! Where did that one come from? Your absolute ignorance is amazing to me. I really wish you could back up anything you say. I would find it fascinating. Please Please Please give me ONE SHRED OF EVIDENCE that we are letting the corporations buy us back into slavery! This I gotta see!!!!
@awesomerepublican Dude , why are you using a phony name . Are you ashamed of what you believe in ? You are obviously not a rep. TERONMAN Read it idiot !!! Means My EX GIRLFREIND TERRY IDIOT Stand up and say what you are . UNDER COVER LIBERAL PROGRESSIVE BLOGGER ! I READ THE BILLS and that must be terrorizing for you type of people . An Informed Citzen
Dude, why do you care what my username is? Are you trying to say because of someone's name....say a Mexican name....that it could give anything useful like....that they would be suspected of being an illegal alien?
Nooo that can't be how superficial or stereotyping the supporters of the new AZ law are! That can't be it at all!
Btw who cares about your ex? That has nothing to do with anything about the video.
Republicans should be tried for treason for willfully selling out to corporations, shredding consumer protections, desroying free market w/ corporate wellfare, promonopoly, choice & competition laws.
They dare pass laws turning police against the people they serve?
THIS IS AN OUTRAGE. Those who vote for a Republican should have their damn head examined to see if there is a brain inside. These brainless enable the corporations & their sellout statesmen. My god what is happening to us?
This is truly amazing ! So many people on here bashing AZ and making coments about racism . You all have obviously not read this law . This is just a drop in the bucket of Divide and Conquer . We have one guy on here that says he is a republican . LOL . I would be willing to bet money that he is one of Sunsteens under cover thugs . There is much more to this picture people . Stand together and Fight for our country .
What I find funny is even Glenn Beck thinks the Arizona law is a very bad idea. Similar to criticizing a large military, most true libertarians (specifically civil libertarians) and most true liberals can agree on criticizing the Arizona law.
@teronman Glenn Beck was having a discussion with O'Reilly. Beck was criticizing the law as dangerous infringements of civil rights and O'Reilly was defending it. This was just this past week. Has Beck changed his mind in the last few days?
When are you people going to WAkE UP??? This whole thing about the Arizona Law is nothing more than a cover-up by the Obama Administration to get people talking about something other than the fact that Obama has FAILED AS A PRESIDENT!!! He knows that the Arizona Law does nothing more than enforce the Federal Law. It's all hypocitical bullshit!!!!
When are you people going to WAKE UP??? This whole thing about "Liberal media" is nothing more than a cover-up by the CONSERVATIVE media to get people talking about something other than the fact that CORPORATIONS are buying up our freedoms! Corporations know that if people knew how much they have bought out our gov't their'd be riots!
@awesomerepublican Really? Why don't you enlighten us poor, ignorant people! Tell me, exactly HOW MUCH FREEDOM has been bought up by the evil corporations???? Show me and the rest of these poor, uneducated hicks how smart you are. I would LOVE a reason to riot. I have nothing better to do with my time since I don't know anything anyway. C'mon, enlighten me please!
If by drinking cool-aid you mean owning you on this topic based on the facts of the actual law in question, then sure, I'll be happy to.
By the way, did you read the law in question yet? Probably, that's why you have to hide behind empty words like "cool-aid" in the 1st place, since now you know you're wrong.
Arizona's new law is "nothing more than a coverup by the obama admin." WOW! Where did you pull that out of? Could you give us one single shred of merit to back that up please?
Arizona's new law is "nothing more than a coverup by the obama admin." WOW! Where did you pull that out of? Could you give us one single shred of merit to back that up please?
@karryf c'mon big mouth! You claim that we this AZ law is nothing more than a coverup for the obama admin! I just want you to put your money where your mouth is! SHOW ME SOME PROOF!!! Have guts to back up your claims! That's the whole problem with angry people! You can say anything based on no merits, just "feelings"! Let's see your proof about ANYTHING YOU'VE SAID!!!!
Why are you so outraged with AZ's law? They are simply enforcing the EXISTING FEDERAL LAW, yet the Feds conduct raids & sting operations.
With AZ's law, legal status is only asked about AFTER they've broken another law and only AFTER they cannot provide valid ID, or unwilling or unable to give law enforcement valid identifying info to be checked in a database.
The same thing happens to white people who hide their identity due to outstanding warrants.
That's not the case. It doesn't only affect aliens. The police could stop anyone legal or illegal alike. And if you don't have your "papers"...oh by the way do you always carry your birth certificate on you all the time? Do you carry your passport (if you have one) on you all the time?
Warrants are one thing, there's evidence and judicial oversight involved. But this new law is about empowering pure suspicion. Suspicion and evidence are miles away.
@awesomerepub: LMAO! Another idiot who has never bothered to read AZ's law.
You do NOT have to have your birth certificate on you at all times you mind-blowing idiot. Straight from AZ's legislation. The acceptable forms of identification are:
1. A valid Arizona driver license.
2. A valid tribal enrollment card or other form of tribal identification.
3. A valid Arizona non-operating identification license.
4. Any valid United States federal, state or local government issued identification
For some reason, your tiny little brain cannot grasp basic facts.
EVERYONE who has broken the law is asked for an ID. EVERYONE is given the opportunity to show a Drivers License, State ID, Green Card, etc. EVERYONE who cannot provide ID, or give identifying info to be ran in a database is further questioned.... including a white person who is hiding from a warrant.
No. Not all lawful stops include providing said documents.
And you keep misrepresenting what the law says. I won't have to be applied equally. Not everyone lawfully stopped will be checked for their immigration status.
For some reason, your normal sized brain can grasp that basic fact, but keeps willfully misrepresenting or denying the facts.
Not everyone lawfully stopped will be checked for immigration status because they were ABLE TO PROVIDE VALID ID.
And what in the bloody hell do you think Federal Immigration officers do? They conduct raids & sting operations based solely on suspicion & no other law has to be broken. AZ is just enforcing the Fed Law but with a LESS stringent approach.
Read the Houston Chronicle from yesterday... the left newspaper explains it reaall sllooww for ya.
OK, after lawful stop (they amended it last second to say that instead of just any "contact" with police), but it's still NOT APPLIED EQUALLY. They won't check everyone they stop, they'll be relying on suspicion. A situation ripe for racial profiling and stereotyping.
@awesomerepublican READ THE LAW!!! If you did, you would know your whole statement is pure horseshit!!!! Besides... THE CURRENT FEDERAL IMMIGRATION LAW REQUIRES ANYONE IN THIS COUNTRY WHO IS NOT A BORN CITIZEN TO CARRY THEIR GREEN CARD AT ALL TIMES!!!! ALL TIMES!!!! The Arizona law is only enforcing the FEDERAL LAW!!!!
READ THE LAW! If you did, you'd know your statement is shit! Besides...supporters of the law never read or never admit that the immigration status check will not be applied equally-it's based on suspicion-albeit after a lawful stop-nonetheless based on suspicion.
They won't go after afluent yuppie, sail boat owning, polo shirt wearing, business suit wearing, white people, they will go after what they stereotype as illegal immgrant. You tell me if that is a balanced approach.
The Democrats should tried for treason against the United States of America for willfully abrogating their duty to protect the nation against enemies both foreign and domestic.
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They dared applaud this man on the floor of our own congress?
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THIS IS AN OUTRAGE. Anyone who votes for a Democrat should have their damn head examined. These people are tearing this nation apart because they don't want to stop an invasion? And they go on to applaud the invasion? My god what is happening to us.
We will remember this picture of the liberals standing against the "United" States and when you are running for re-election it will make the perfect case for throwing your liberal asses out!
We will remember this picture when AZ passed a law that enables racial profiling and an unfair application of a fairly simple and straightforward interst of checking immigration status during a lawful stop.
JUST CHECK EVERYBODY'S STATUS not just the brown people. If you did that, all of a sudden no one would complain.
@awesomerepublican Illegals are being used as pack mules to bring drugs into the country, and all immigrants must follow the law to become citizens, no exceptions and no amnesty! 83% of warrants for murder in Phoenix are for illegal aliens! 84% of Americans support ID checks by police. Obama is a divider not a uniter!
What about sticking to the subject of the AZ law, engrossed SB 1070 section2 article 8 subsection 2?
Regardless of how much you hate brown people, it doesn't excuse the unfair law that AZ just passed that promotes the unfair administering of the immigration status check.
@awesomerepublican You're a lying piece of shit liberal making excuses for law breakers! Illegal aliens of any race are law breakers. I hate law breakers and people making excuses for them, just like the vast majority of Americans!
What Arizona does is everyone's fucking business!
For example If any state brought back slavery or any Jim Crow law, that's civil rights, baby. Civil rights are one thing that sets America apart from other countries. You can't mess with civil rights and not mess with America as a whole.
@awesomerepublican In Mexico , You can be beaten , inprisoned or even shot for entering the country illegally . I think our law is pretty civil compared to that .
Besides, you can't possibly be arguing "let's be as worse off as a country...but just make sure we're just a LIIIIITLE bit better than Mexico, then we'll be OK" are you?
@awesomerepublican you're so worried about violating "THEIR" rights! What about OUR rights? Why should I as a taxpayer have to pay for health care, education, wellfare and a whole list of other programs so someone who is here ILLEGALLY can enjoy them? If you enter Mexico illegally you can bet your ass YOU WON'T GET THE SAME TREATMENT! WHAT PART OF ILLEGAL ARE YOU HAVING A HARD TIME UNDERSTANDING????? What part of HIGHER TAXES ARE YOU HAVING A HARD TIME UNDERSTANDING?????
@awesomerepublican Jesus Christ are you stupid!!! Why don't you sit your dumb ass down and READ THE FUCKING ARIZONA LAW before you make yourself look even more stupid! I know you haven't because if you had, you would know that there is NOTHING in that law that goes against the FEDERAL LAW THAT IS ALREADY IN PLACE!
@karryf Jesus Christ are you stupid!!! Why don't you sit your dumb ass down and Read ANYTHING before you try to act like an intelligent and critically thinking individual! THAT GOD AWFUL LAW ALLOWS POLICE TO ACT PURELY BASED ON SUSPICION AGAINST ANYBODY.
Ignorant people like you would say, "good then they'll use it ONLY AGAINST THE ILLEGAL ALIENS!"
YEAH RIGHT they will be right 100% of the time with their "suspicion"-that would be fucking better than based on EVIDENCE!
@awesomerepublican YOU KNOW WHAT? THE MORE I READ OF YOUR STUPID HORSESHIT THE FUNNIER YOU BECOME. YOU ARE NOT WORTH EVEN WASTING MY TIME TRYING TO ARGUE WITH. AS BERNIE FRANK ONCE SAID TO HIS CONSTITUANT... TRYING TO TALK TO YOU IS LIKE TRYING TOTALK TO A KITCHEN TABLE. I'M NOT INTERESTED..... GO LIVE IN YOUR STUPID FANTASY WORLD. BETTER YET... GO LIVE IN MEXICO.
What a joke you are. What was that? I couldn't hear you over the ALL CAPS LOCK ON.
What a way to demonstrate my comments aren't worth your time, by reading my comments and spending time replying multiple times to the same comment over and over again with ALL CAPS LOCK ON BECAUSE THAT SOMEHOW MAKES YOU RIGHT.
The new AZ laws are not simply enforcing the existing laws. Stop spreading that lie. If they were the same, they wouldn't have to PASS A NEW LAW genius.
@awesomerepublican First of all , there are children on here , you should watch your language and second of all READ THE LAW !!! It is not discriminitory towards anyone except illegal aliens The liberals would have you believe that but it is not at all the case . READ IT !!!!!
As for children here: I agree. Many pretend to be adults spewing hate toward anyone who looks different. I'd say that's childish too!
It is discriminatory. That law, police are allowed to act purely on suspicion. Who do you think they will "suspect"? Whites? Yuppies? Country club folk? The affluent?
If you think they ONLY suspect aliens then they would have already KNEW who the aliens were and WOULDN'T HAVE TO pass such a stupid law!
@awesomerepublican Then go live there and see how you like dealing with it . The people in Az are living in fear as the drug wars are spilling over OUR border .
The desa drank Obama's coolaid, they are gutter sluts just like the boss. The American people should havee real leaders, instead of idiots. Time to stand up America, and take back your country. By cheering mexico, the democrats said FUCK YOU, to Arizona and the American People.
You left-wing morons! I'll bet you haven't even read the bill! I have! There is absolutely NOTHING in the bill that says a cop can pull you over and demand your papers! Every part of this law refers to the FEDERAL LAW that is already IN PLACE and it strictly prohibits going against that FEDERAL LAW! Calderon and Obama are both Hyprocrites!
Actually you're wrong. If you've read the law, you'd read that after a lawful stop, they can check immigration status IF THEY SUSPECT you are an illegal alien.
How the heck is that fair? If they want to check immigration status, they should check EVERYONE'S status during a stop. BTW not all stops are arrests.
How about not pass laws that allow the unfair application of immigration status check?
How about pass a law, if you want to check immigation status, that checks ALL PEOPLE'S immigration status during a lawful stopping rather than just based on racial profiling?
WHat is not said is the only ONE section did a standing ovation for slamming Arizona - the DEMOCRATS. This is possiblely one of the most absurdly disrespectful and irresponsible acts ever to happen on the floor of the House.
See SB1070 Section 2 article 8 subsection B (line 20-26)
Secondly if you read the law instead of wrongly charging other of not reading the law, then you'd find I did back up what I said, namely WITH THE LAW I WAS TALKING ABOUT THAT YOU CLAIMED I DIDN'T READ.
Yes you are wining this so well because you have provided so many facts. You have provided no facts just telling me to read a bill that I already have. The question is why are you telling me to read See SB1070 Section 2 article 8 subsection B (line 20-26) when there is nothing about racial profiling in any of that? I think you are reading to much into what isn't there.
SB1070 Section 2 article 8 subsection B (line 20-26) says during a stop they can pick and chose who to check immigration status on based on suspicion.
If you don't get that then you're totally in damage control mode.
Gee...what has this country come to? the main language is english. not spanish! we celebrate american holidays not mexican holidays. I think the mexicans are trying to get even for the usa getting texas and california. Gee, can we say sore losers? now they want the usa to celebrate their holidays? you know what i say to that? f-u
Mexico is one of the toughest countries for immigrants. Anyone, read about how illegals are treated in Mexico. I don't agree with racial profiling, but Mexico does it all and is 1000 times worse than the U.S. So, stop the hypocrisy MEXICO... Give amnesty to your central American immigrants then you can talk.
In Mexico even if you are legal you can't own property.
TOUGH! You don't like it, GREAT. That's EXACTLY WHAT WE WANT. Let's ADOPT MEXICO's immigration laws then. How's that Mr. Calderon, you hypocritical POS?! SHUT UP and GET OUT OF OUR COUNTRY. STOP trying to meddle in our affairs. We need to watch this video over and again and see every person who stood and applauded and hold them to account at election time. Let's send the whole group back to Mexico with Mr. Calderon.
I had a friend in Mexico was not born there. To become a citizen, he offered the then Interior Minister an envelope with $10,000 (AMERICAN DOLLARS) for EACH family member. In exchange they were "naturalized" and given Mexican passports.
That official later became the President of Mexico: Luis Echeverría.
Go read wikipedia (/wiki/Luis_Echeverría) to understand Echeverría' use of mass murder to rule.
Time to make a hit list for these traitors.
usmchutch 1 year ago
Calderon is against the law because he has relatives in Phoenix that send him money every month.
mikepiazza 1 year ago
This is fucking disgusting to watch, and it signals a new low for the democratic party.
I would love to have a list of those who stood up and applauded.
tradernorton05 1 year ago
@tradernorton05 Janet Napolitano, former ARIZONA governor and US homeland security secretary was in the front row standing and clapping hard! I didn't vote for her to make her Governor back in 2003, but she betrayed Arizona as another insider politician going after her own power!
stmpoodle 1 year ago
I say when we take back our country we try all these punks for treason and we run all the people who hate our country OUT . If you hate the way we do things here . LEAVE . because you are not going to change us .
teronman 1 year ago
I wonder what would happen if we went to Mexico and criticized THEIR immigration policy.
Vebrotube 1 year ago
Every one of those treasonous bastards should be strung up outside the Capitol building.
JCGMich29 1 year ago
Compare Mexico's immigration laws with America's you fricking hypocrite! I support Arizona and I will move there if the need arises!
Drumboy5165 1 year ago
A new low has been reached, my friends, A tin pot leader of a country, with a many times more onerous immigration policy, is asked by socialist Obozo and dem leadership to insult the USA....Then they give him a standing ovation ?!?! November can't come soon enough.
selfwilly 1 year ago 3
Impeach, try, and execute every traitor to the USA who stood and clapped for that lowlife piece of shit Messkin. Just another push toward the bloody revolution the Dhimmicrats so persistently incite.
YankeeAirPirate 1 year ago
This stupid Mexican should shut the hell up. Tell him to go to Hell! But the dumbass morons who stood up an cheered for this stupid Mexican, have no balls.
Shadyac21 1 year ago
This Mexican president can't even run his own country properly so how could he possibly have the nerve to come over here and criticize America? In addition, immigration and illegal entry laws are even more strict in his country. What were these American people that were standing and cheering thinking?
letsnukemecca 1 year ago
Everyone look SeanScythe is just doing damage control and feeding people misinformation. He claims to have a point, but won't acknowldege facts even after I spoon fed it to him in an email and in a comment. He's just mad that he's wrong and can't stand someone else being right. Now he's doing personal attacks to distract from the AZ law. Sad.
awesomerepublican 1 year ago
This clown-ass does not want his dirty illegal bums sent back to him!!!!!
cottonceena 1 year ago
Everyone look awesomerepublican is just a troll he is feeding off the bickering. He claims to have a point but doesn't. He don't back up his comments other then saying oh I posted facts when he hasn't just don't feed the troll and he will go away. He's just mad he found out his mom had sex with an illegal alien for $35 and now he is fighting to keep his dad in the country.
SeanScythe 1 year ago
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@SeanScythe
Everyon look: SeanScythe is in damage control because I just served him a tall glass of shut the hell up after I spoon fed him the section of the AZ law that showed exactly where it indicates the selective and unfair application of the immigration status check.
Don't take his or my word for it. Google it yourself.
SB1070 Section 2 article 8 subsection B (line 20-26)
awesomerepublican 1 year ago
@2010GOP
OR you can read the actual law itself slowly instead of reading any spin from the convservative paper.
You keep repeating the wrong thing. But you keep glossing over one simple thing. You don't need to provide such identification during all lawful stops.
If you keep ignoring that, of course you'd keep repeating the same thing over and over again.
awesomerepublican 1 year ago
White flight is coming, folks.
Gotta find ourselves another land and kick off all the natives to call our own. Perhaps some place with no Mexicans next time.
awesomerepublican 1 year ago
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You are a WRONG.
Thank God, even a Left leaning newspaper came out with an article yesterday to explain it to the idiots like you who live amongst us:
Read Yesterday's Houston Chronicle, "Opposition to Arizona law often based on faulty facts"
2010GOP 1 year ago
I hope he gets capped by a drug gangster
rawdawg15 1 year ago
well I can't say I'm surprised. those pansies in office would applaud any statement that slammed any part of the US. Some dictator could say "I hate Mexicans and Blacks should rule the world" and he'd get a standing ovation. As long as it has "race" in it they'll love it.
fireraisr 1 year ago
This just goes to show that there is no liberal media in the US, only that there is a conservative media.
Every media outlet you turned to about health insurance reform all they said was death panel death panel death panel death panel. But none of those people read the bill.
Conservatives have no problem making up rumors when they haven't read the health bill, but when people point out the flaws in a bill THEY like, it's all "did you read the bill? did you read the bill?"
Yes! And it bites.
awesomerepublican 1 year ago
Apparently Preisdent Calderon you don't practice what you preach. You protect your border to the south to keep Central Americans out of Mexico. You deport those who don't have proper documentation.
Also will someone tell my sorry Senator from Florida Bill Nelson to sit down and stop applauding. Maybe if Calderon worked on creating an economy in Mexico, both countries wouldn't have this issue!
mueygringo 1 year ago
@teronman
What a typical middle-of-the-road republican mentality:
We are intolerant and don't LIKE you or what you think. I think I'll get a bunch of people together and vote to rob a group of people's rights to do it. A la:
Jim Crow
Prop 8
Abortion
Conservatives love hogging civil liberties and robbing people who don't like them theirs.
awesomerepublican 1 year ago
Why is Eric Holder standing up clapping when he hasn't even read the bill yet?
cnnlive10 1 year ago
Awesome: It's common sense. IF YOU HAD ANY YOU WOULD KNOW THAT!!! Obama KNOWS that the Arizona law does not introduce anything new. I have read the law. In every section it refers to the FEDERAL IMMIGRATION LAW that exists today. It makes sure that it does NOT circumvent that law in ANY MANNER!!! Obama knows that the Democrats have been getting BAD PRESS LATELY and he's trying to do a little rope-a-dope by getting people to talk about something else!
karryf 1 year ago
@karryf
That's where you'd be wrong. The Az law expands upon the existing laws giving police the ability to stop people based purely on suspicion-no evidence, just suspicion.
awesomerepublican 1 year ago
@awesomerepublican: YOU ARE AN IDIOT.
Arizona's law SPECIFICALLY says that a person cannot be questioned about their legal status UNLESS they're involved in another crime AND cannot provide ID (Drivers license, State ID, Green Card, etc. are all acceptable).
Arizona's law also SPECIFICALLY states there will be no prosecution for any cases based solely on race or national origin.
Who CAN question someone on suspicion alone? The U.S. Federal Immigration authorities & Mexico, to name only 2.
2010GOP 1 year ago
@2010GOP: nope.
SB 1070 Section 2
Where reasonable suspicion exists that the person is an alien who is unlawfully present in the US, a reasonable attempt shall be made to determine the immigration status of the person.
It promotes suspicion and is not fair. If it read, and shall check immigration status of all people stopped or detained, then that's different. But it says if there is suspicion.
awesomerepublican 1 year ago
@awesomerepub:
AFTER they've broken another law & AFTER they can't produce a valid ID or provide valid personal info. to be run through a database, THAT is "reasonable suspicion". Just as a white person could be suspected on a warrant.
What part of this do you not understand?: "Police may only investigate immigration status incident to a "lawful stop, detention, or arrest" -and- "prosecutors would not investigate complaints based on race, color or national origin".
2010GOP 1 year ago
@2010GOP
No.
Lawful stop doesn't mean, like you incorrectly said, "AFTER they've broken another law..."
They are relying on cops' suspicion on a person's legal status.
YOU TELL ME. Without evidence, how would a cop suspect a person's immigration status? With no evidence, they are left with stereotyping, gut feeling, guessing. That totally promotes racial profiling. It's not as if the law says, after a lawful stop, CHECK ALL PEOPLE'S immigration status.
awesomerepublican 1 year ago
@2010GOP
That's not what it says. You're misrepresenting again.
They don't check EVERYONE'S immigration status. It says only if they suspect. I wonder how many rich white people they will "suspect" are illegal aliens......
awesomerepublican 1 year ago
@awesomerepublican
*points and laughs*
I just can't get mad at you idiots anymore, it's gotten so ridiculous that you're like the sideshow at a carnival. I can see some kid saying "Hey Mommy, Lets go see the liberal race baiter."
"Ok Betty Sue, but don't feed him. You never know when they might bite or fling poo at you."
fireraisr 1 year ago
@fireraisr
If you can't back that up with merits, you're the worse than what you're making up for your foes to be.
awesomerepublican 1 year ago
@awesomerepublican
sorry to disappoint but that was my OPINION, just like the left I don't have to back up my opinion with merits. It's based on a trend I have been seeing for quite some time. They hate America and everything She stands for.
fireraisr 1 year ago
@awesomerepublican
No you have it out of order. After a stop, if reasonable suspicion exists. There has to be the stop first
rawdawg15 1 year ago
@rawdawg15
I know that, but that doesn't mean they will automatically check immigration status for everyone they stop. They ONLY check the ones they suspect are illegal aliens. But how the heck can you just tell from looking at someone their legal status? You guess it, by racial profiling and stereotypes alone.
If the law read that they have to check everyone they stop, then that would be fair.
awesomerepublican 1 year ago
@awesomerepublican
Wrong, you can have suspicions based on several factors.
Do they speak english, if not you check to see if they have a visa because it is a requirement of naturalization that an immigrant learn the language. If there are 20 people packed into the back of a moving truck when it is pulled over you ask them if they are in the country illegally. There are several others but youtubes comment limit prevents me from listing them. I hate to see everyone taking Mexicos side over USA
fireraisr 1 year ago
@fireraisr
Wrong. Criticizing that law means criticizing that law. Period. It has nothing to do with picking countries. Don't make sh*t up.
Unbelievable. What else is reasonable suspicion? Sombreros? Eating tacos? Watching Speedy Gonzalez? Listening to regatone?
Racial profiling 101 here.
Why didn't they just say "check everyone's status" during a stop?
awesomerepublican 1 year ago
@awesomerepublican
There is a differance between Profiling and Racial Profiling. Police Profile all the time. You are so closed minded to how law works, you may want to take the obama glasses off and wake up. We are being invaded, Americans are losing their jobs, our country is in massive debt and all you care about are illegal aliens being profiled and getting sent home.
SeanScythe 1 year ago
@SeanScythe
You must be replying to the wrong person. I said nothing about profiling of that sort. I just talked about racial profiling.
Thanks
Also you hating brown people has nothing to do with the AZ law's flaws.
awesomerepublican 1 year ago
@awesomerepublican
And that applies to all people, including whites asians arabs hispanics, and it justified by the 1968 case Terry v. Ohio, when the Supreme Court ruled in favor of it.
rawdawg15 1 year ago
@awesomerepub:
MY GOD -- Your level of stupidity is truly astounding.
EVERYONE has to show ID after breaking the law. You asked why they're not checking everyone's status? LMAO! Get your 2 brain cells bumping. If someone shows valid ID, there's no need to check immigration status! Are you seriously this mind-blowing stupid??
2nd time: Federal Authorities conduct raids & stings based on "suspicion". Where has everyone's outrage been for all these years?
2010GOP 1 year ago
@2010GOP
MY GOD -- Your level of stupidity is truly astounding.
NOT ALL LAWFUL STOPS require breaking of the law. Get your normal amount of brain cells working properly. Are you seriously mind-blowingly willfully ignorant?? Or are you just trying to perform damage control for the 2010GOP?
awesomerepublican 1 year ago
A Justified Stop
A stop is justified if the suspect is exhibiting any combination of the following behaviors:
1.Appears not to fit the time or place.
2.Matches the description on a "Wanted" flyer.
3.Acts strangely, or is emotional, angry, fearful, or intoxicated.
4.Loitering, or looking for something.
5.Running away or engaging in furtive movements.
6.Present in a crime scene area.
7.Present in a high-crime area (not sufficient by itself or with loitering).
rawdawg15 1 year ago
@rawdawg15
That's great. But you looked up the wrong thing.
The language of the law in question, engrossed SB 1070, police check immigration status if they suspect THE PERSON IS AN ILLEGAL ALIEN AFTER the lawful stop.
So how do you tell from looking at someone their legal status?? Racial profiling and stereotyping.
awesomerepublican 1 year ago
@awesomerepublican
Yes, but during a lawful stop, they can check a legal citizen such as myself for ID. It has been that way for quite some time. So, if they already have the authority to ask a citizen for ID, why can't they check a non citizen?
How do you tell they might be illegals? Simple. They can't produce an ID of any kind, and they can't give information the cop can feed into the computer if they don't have an ID and claim they lost it.
rawdawg15 1 year ago
@awesomerepublican
I think it's interesting how you automatically start racial profiling mexicans with your statement. Did I say that those 20 people were mexican? NO. They could be italian, german, even canadian and I would expect that to be a red flag. Also your friends in government have decided that speedy gonzalez is a racist show that portrays mexicans in a negative light. It's interesting that you use that as one of your arguments.
fireraisr 1 year ago
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@fireraisr
You must be joking or you don't understand American English. Let me explain.
I said "Unbelievable. What else is reasonable suspicion? Sombreros? Eating tacos? Watching Speedy Gonzalez? Listening to regatone?"
That was blasting what you said and pointing out how ridiculous it was.
Sticking up for racial profiling was YOUR argument-not mine.
awesomerepublican 1 year ago
Hiibel v. Sixth Judicial District Court of Nevada, (2004), held that statutes requiring suspects to identify themselves during a stop did not violate either the Fourth or Fifth Amendments. Under Terry v. Ohio (1968), the minimal intrusion on a suspect's privacy, and the legitimate need of law enforcement officers to quickly dispel suspicion that an individual is engaged in criminal activity, justified requiring a suspect to identify himself.
rawdawg15 1 year ago
@rawdawg15
Finally! Someone who will listen and look at facts! Thank you!
People's beef with the AZ's SB1070 does not have to do with asking for ID. The thing is, not all stops require showing ID. Plus the way the SB1070 reads, the suspicion of legal status may prompt status check but not for when they don't suspect. It's this unbalanced way of administering the law that people don't like.
awesomerepublican 1 year ago
first of all, a perm resident or person with a visa has to show ID anytime a cop asks anyway. That hasn't changed, it has always been like that.
It won't harm hispanics native born here. Most of them don't walk in groups in remote areas, pile into a car with 10+people, mostly adults. They almost always speak fluent English.
rawdawg15 1 year ago
@rawdawg15
They should simply check EVERYBODY they stop. Then that would be fair without question: No objections. No complaints about profiling. No complaints about suspecting 1st generation immigrants who are completely legally here but have heavy accents. No issue with higher percentage of checking people who look non-white.
awesomerepublican 1 year ago
@karryf
You want to talk common sense?
If they introduced nothing new, why would they have to pass a new law?
awesomerepublican 1 year ago
Speaking of capitalism, our government should not be up for sale like it is now. Since our public officials are up for sale, so is our laws, and so is any law protecting the American people.
It's bad enough corporations resist change to protect consumers, but they actually buy the represtatives to make LAWS to protect them from changing.
awesomerepublican 1 year ago
Corporations should be left to fail....except that's not what happens, because they buy out statesmen to make laws that allow such stupid things as "too big to fail" and bailout provisions that reward the fraud and corrupt practices and put the whole tab right back on the taxpayer.
awesomerepublican 1 year ago
The corporations should have been left to fail . Just like anyone else . I for one like Capitalism . These companies put us to work but if they get too greedy or mismanage thier company . They deserve to fail!
teronman 1 year ago
You're right! The companies that cannot make it on their own in a Capitalist environment SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO FAIL!!! Stop spending my tax dollars to shore up corrupt establishments! There is NO SUCH THING AS TOO BIG TO FAIL!!!
karryf 1 year ago
@karryf
Clarification: there IS such a thing as too big too fail, but there shouldn't be such a thing as it's anti choice and competition as the free market principles so highly esteemed would dictate.
awesomerepublican 1 year ago
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Watch Calderon's FULL interview with Wolf Blitzer. Calderon says authorities in Mexico ask for documentation & if they are illegal, they "send back them".
Support Arizona with a BUYcott!! The following companies are headquartered in Arizona.... PLEASE support them as much as you can!! And if you support Arizona, please pass the list to everyone you know!!
Best Western, Cold Stone Creamery, Dial soap products, Go Daddy, PetSmart, U-haul, US Airways
2010GOP 1 year ago 3
@2010GOP Thanks dude . I am posting it on my FB right now
teronman 1 year ago
@teronman: GREAT! Please get all your FB friends to spread it!!
2010GOP 1 year ago
Boy I just LOVE bailing out the corporations with our tax dollars for their own fraudulent behavior and blowing away our nest eggs. I LOVE giving corporations more money because they lost all our money so that they can make....more money!
awesomerepublican 1 year ago
AGGHHHHH!!!!!!!
Michaelllllllllll 1 year ago
teronman is for real. everyone disregard him becuase he is true...truly ignorant. if you were unfortunate enough to read what he writes, you'll grasp in no time that he is very insecure and can't wait to discriminate because others don't look like him because he is insecure with himself and need to project his bad qualities on to others. And lets please watch our language. Language is powerful and should not be misused by angry insecure individuals to push hate.
awesomerepublican 1 year ago
@awesomerepublican c'mon big mouth! You're the one that brought up all the claims that we are sitting back and letting the corporations buy us back into slavery! I just want you to to your money where your big mouth is! SHOW ME SOME PROOF!!!!! Have the guts to back up your statements! That's the whole problem with just drive-by blogging! You can say anything! Make up anything! Leave a comment and then walk away too afraid to back it up! Let's see your proof about ANYTHING YOU'VE SAID!!!!
karryf 1 year ago
@karryf None of these punks can back up what they say . It always comes down to bashing when asked to prove thier point . They cannot proove it and they know it . This is all part of the propaganda that the libs are pushing . He either works for Acorn , SEIU or , some other arm of the Marxist , Socialist, Communist movement .
teronman 1 year ago
@teronman
None of these punks can back up what they say. It always comes down to anger and emotion rather than facts. This is all part of the propoganda that the neocons are pushing. They either work for faux, is paid off by corporations, or some other arm of the insecure xenophobs movement.
awesomerepublican 1 year ago
@awesomerepublican
The only one people are trying to ignor is you because you are so full of yourself and telling lies it's sad really.
BTW there is no racial Profiling in the bill if you had read it you would know. You can say you read it but that's the same as a two year old reading it. Sure they may now some of the words but the meaning and what it means are lost on their small minds. Same is with you you are spreading lies and hate.
SeanScythe 1 year ago
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@SeanScythe
Nice try.
It says it as clear as day here.
SB1070 Section 2 article 8 subsection B (line 20-26)
They only have to check immigration status if they suspect you are illegal immigrant. They don't check EVERYONE stopped, just based on suspicion.
awesomerepublican 1 year ago
awesomerepublican is a fake . everyone flag him and get him off here . Look at his page and his contacts . It speaks for itself . And guys lets please watch our language . There are children on here .
teronman 1 year ago
awesomerepublican is a fake . everyone flag him and get him off here . Look at his page and his contacts .
teronman 1 year ago
Get fucked calderon.
EuroS50 1 year ago
Amazing! Kids bashing this administration for their bad hair day to being late for work, part of conservative strategy to blame liberals to distract from what's really going on with the "buy out this country" plan of corporations. Back to slavery if so.
A guy on here that says he is a "terror man".I would be willing to bet any reasonable amount of money that he indeed is terrorizing the public with his misinformation. Stand up against conservative media spin and corporate take over.
awesomerepublican 1 year ago
@awesomerepublican Back to Slavery? Wow! Where did that one come from? Your absolute ignorance is amazing to me. I really wish you could back up anything you say. I would find it fascinating. Please Please Please give me ONE SHRED OF EVIDENCE that we are letting the corporations buy us back into slavery! This I gotta see!!!!
karryf 1 year ago
@awesomerepublican Dude , why are you using a phony name . Are you ashamed of what you believe in ? You are obviously not a rep. TERONMAN Read it idiot !!! Means My EX GIRLFREIND TERRY IDIOT Stand up and say what you are . UNDER COVER LIBERAL PROGRESSIVE BLOGGER ! I READ THE BILLS and that must be terrorizing for you type of people . An Informed Citzen
teronman 1 year ago
@teronman
Dude, why do you care what my username is? Are you trying to say because of someone's name....say a Mexican name....that it could give anything useful like....that they would be suspected of being an illegal alien?
Nooo that can't be how superficial or stereotyping the supporters of the new AZ law are! That can't be it at all!
Btw who cares about your ex? That has nothing to do with anything about the video.
awesomerepublican 1 year ago
Republicans should be tried for treason for willfully selling out to corporations, shredding consumer protections, desroying free market w/ corporate wellfare, promonopoly, choice & competition laws.
They dare pass laws turning police against the people they serve?
THIS IS AN OUTRAGE. Those who vote for a Republican should have their damn head examined to see if there is a brain inside. These brainless enable the corporations & their sellout statesmen. My god what is happening to us?
awesomerepublican 1 year ago
This is truly amazing ! So many people on here bashing AZ and making coments about racism . You all have obviously not read this law . This is just a drop in the bucket of Divide and Conquer . We have one guy on here that says he is a republican . LOL . I would be willing to bet money that he is one of Sunsteens under cover thugs . There is much more to this picture people . Stand together and Fight for our country .
teronman 1 year ago
"Mexican president gets THE DRIP for criticizing Arizona's immigration law"
*fix'd*
onvogmasaj 1 year ago
What I find funny is even Glenn Beck thinks the Arizona law is a very bad idea. Similar to criticizing a large military, most true libertarians (specifically civil libertarians) and most true liberals can agree on criticizing the Arizona law.
MarmaladeINFP 1 year ago
@MarmaladeINFP No he does NOT !
teronman 1 year ago
@teronman Glenn Beck was having a discussion with O'Reilly. Beck was criticizing the law as dangerous infringements of civil rights and O'Reilly was defending it. This was just this past week. Has Beck changed his mind in the last few days?
MarmaladeINFP 1 year ago
When are you people going to WAkE UP??? This whole thing about the Arizona Law is nothing more than a cover-up by the Obama Administration to get people talking about something other than the fact that Obama has FAILED AS A PRESIDENT!!! He knows that the Arizona Law does nothing more than enforce the Federal Law. It's all hypocitical bullshit!!!!
karryf 1 year ago
@karryf
When are you people going to WAKE UP??? This whole thing about "Liberal media" is nothing more than a cover-up by the CONSERVATIVE media to get people talking about something other than the fact that CORPORATIONS are buying up our freedoms! Corporations know that if people knew how much they have bought out our gov't their'd be riots!
awesomerepublican 1 year ago
@awesomerepublican Really? Why don't you enlighten us poor, ignorant people! Tell me, exactly HOW MUCH FREEDOM has been bought up by the evil corporations???? Show me and the rest of these poor, uneducated hicks how smart you are. I would LOVE a reason to riot. I have nothing better to do with my time since I don't know anything anyway. C'mon, enlighten me please!
karryf 1 year ago
@karryf
Wow you're so open minded. Your tone really suggests that you are sincere that you want intelligent discourse rather than a fight.
You marking my comment as spam really enforces that you are indeed opem to discussion and an exchange of ideas.
Yeah right.
awesomerepublican 1 year ago
@awesomerepublican
Keep drinking the cool-aid
SeanScythe 1 year ago
@SeanScythe
If by drinking cool-aid you mean owning you on this topic based on the facts of the actual law in question, then sure, I'll be happy to.
By the way, did you read the law in question yet? Probably, that's why you have to hide behind empty words like "cool-aid" in the 1st place, since now you know you're wrong.
awesomerepublican 1 year ago
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@karryf
Arizona's new law is "nothing more than a coverup by the obama admin." WOW! Where did you pull that out of? Could you give us one single shred of merit to back that up please?
awesomerepublican 1 year ago
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@karryf
Arizona's new law is "nothing more than a coverup by the obama admin." WOW! Where did you pull that out of? Could you give us one single shred of merit to back that up please?
awesomerepublican 1 year ago
@karryf c'mon big mouth! You claim that we this AZ law is nothing more than a coverup for the obama admin! I just want you to put your money where your mouth is! SHOW ME SOME PROOF!!! Have guts to back up your claims! That's the whole problem with angry people! You can say anything based on no merits, just "feelings"! Let's see your proof about ANYTHING YOU'VE SAID!!!!
awesomerepublican 1 year ago
@awesomerepubl: You make no sense.
Why are you so outraged with AZ's law? They are simply enforcing the EXISTING FEDERAL LAW, yet the Feds conduct raids & sting operations.
With AZ's law, legal status is only asked about AFTER they've broken another law and only AFTER they cannot provide valid ID, or unwilling or unable to give law enforcement valid identifying info to be checked in a database.
The same thing happens to white people who hide their identity due to outstanding warrants.
2010GOP 1 year ago
@2010GOP
That's not the case. It doesn't only affect aliens. The police could stop anyone legal or illegal alike. And if you don't have your "papers"...oh by the way do you always carry your birth certificate on you all the time? Do you carry your passport (if you have one) on you all the time?
Warrants are one thing, there's evidence and judicial oversight involved. But this new law is about empowering pure suspicion. Suspicion and evidence are miles away.
awesomerepublican 1 year ago
@awesomerepub: LMAO! Another idiot who has never bothered to read AZ's law.
You do NOT have to have your birth certificate on you at all times you mind-blowing idiot. Straight from AZ's legislation. The acceptable forms of identification are:
1. A valid Arizona driver license.
2. A valid tribal enrollment card or other form of tribal identification.
3. A valid Arizona non-operating identification license.
4. Any valid United States federal, state or local government issued identification
2010GOP 1 year ago
@2010GOP
You're cherring picking from what it says.
Those are the IDs, but do they check EVERYONE they lawfully stop?
NO, it's just the ones they suspect-meaning it's not applied fairly and totally promotes racial profiling.
awesomerepublican 1 year ago
@awesomerepublican:
For some reason, your tiny little brain cannot grasp basic facts.
EVERYONE who has broken the law is asked for an ID. EVERYONE is given the opportunity to show a Drivers License, State ID, Green Card, etc. EVERYONE who cannot provide ID, or give identifying info to be ran in a database is further questioned.... including a white person who is hiding from a warrant.
2010GOP 1 year ago
@2010GOP
No. Not all lawful stops include providing said documents.
And you keep misrepresenting what the law says. I won't have to be applied equally. Not everyone lawfully stopped will be checked for their immigration status.
For some reason, your normal sized brain can grasp that basic fact, but keeps willfully misrepresenting or denying the facts.
awesomerepublican 1 year ago
@awesomerepu: SUCH STUPIDITY.
Not everyone lawfully stopped will be checked for immigration status because they were ABLE TO PROVIDE VALID ID.
And what in the bloody hell do you think Federal Immigration officers do? They conduct raids & sting operations based solely on suspicion & no other law has to be broken. AZ is just enforcing the Fed Law but with a LESS stringent approach.
Read the Houston Chronicle from yesterday... the left newspaper explains it reaall sllooww for ya.
2010GOP 1 year ago
@awesomerepublican:
Furthermore, dipshit...... AZ's law states that legal status can only be inquired about during a "lawful stop, detention, or arrest".
It also states that "prosecutors would not investigate complaints based on race, color or national origin".
Do you see what liars Obama & the Democrats are...... and how gullible, brainwashed & ignorant you are??
You're SO opinionated & degrade others, yet you've never even read the bill. What an idiot.
2010GOP 1 year ago
@2010GOP
OK, after lawful stop (they amended it last second to say that instead of just any "contact" with police), but it's still NOT APPLIED EQUALLY. They won't check everyone they stop, they'll be relying on suspicion. A situation ripe for racial profiling and stereotyping.
awesomerepublican 1 year ago
@awesomerepublican READ THE LAW!!! If you did, you would know your whole statement is pure horseshit!!!! Besides... THE CURRENT FEDERAL IMMIGRATION LAW REQUIRES ANYONE IN THIS COUNTRY WHO IS NOT A BORN CITIZEN TO CARRY THEIR GREEN CARD AT ALL TIMES!!!! ALL TIMES!!!! The Arizona law is only enforcing the FEDERAL LAW!!!!
karryf 1 year ago
@karryf
READ THE LAW! If you did, you'd know your statement is shit! Besides...supporters of the law never read or never admit that the immigration status check will not be applied equally-it's based on suspicion-albeit after a lawful stop-nonetheless based on suspicion.
They won't go after afluent yuppie, sail boat owning, polo shirt wearing, business suit wearing, white people, they will go after what they stereotype as illegal immgrant. You tell me if that is a balanced approach.
awesomerepublican 1 year ago
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@awesomerepub: You are a WRONG.
Thank God, even a Left leaning newspaper came out with an article yesterday to explain it to the idiots like you who live amongst us:
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2010GOP 1 year ago
Why is a mexican official speaking in front of our congress? We are so f*ck*d !
iwillspyonyou 1 year ago
Hmmmm. How about we just take his countries immigration laws & put them in place here?
RESET1776 1 year ago
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The Democrats should tried for treason against the United States of America for willfully abrogating their duty to protect the nation against enemies both foreign and domestic.
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They dared applaud this man on the floor of our own congress?
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THIS IS AN OUTRAGE. Anyone who votes for a Democrat should have their damn head examined. These people are tearing this nation apart because they don't want to stop an invasion? And they go on to applaud the invasion? My god what is happening to us.
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kmg501 1 year ago
We will remember this picture of the liberals standing against the "United" States and when you are running for re-election it will make the perfect case for throwing your liberal asses out!
Wildkkat1 1 year ago 5
@Wildkkat1
We will remember this picture when AZ passed a law that enables racial profiling and an unfair application of a fairly simple and straightforward interst of checking immigration status during a lawful stop.
JUST CHECK EVERYBODY'S STATUS not just the brown people. If you did that, all of a sudden no one would complain.
awesomerepublican 1 year ago
@awesomerepublican Illegals are being used as pack mules to bring drugs into the country, and all immigrants must follow the law to become citizens, no exceptions and no amnesty! 83% of warrants for murder in Phoenix are for illegal aliens! 84% of Americans support ID checks by police. Obama is a divider not a uniter!
Wildkkat1 1 year ago 3
@Wildkkat1
What about sticking to the subject of the AZ law, engrossed SB 1070 section2 article 8 subsection 2?
Regardless of how much you hate brown people, it doesn't excuse the unfair law that AZ just passed that promotes the unfair administering of the immigration status check.
awesomerepublican 1 year ago
@awesomerepublican You're a lying piece of shit liberal making excuses for law breakers! Illegal aliens of any race are law breakers. I hate law breakers and people making excuses for them, just like the vast majority of Americans!
Wildkkat1 1 year ago
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@Wildkkat1
So much for staying on subject of the AZ law engrossed SB 1070 section2 article 8 subsection 2.
In your mind, standing up against unfair laws such as that one is somehow "making excuses for law breakers."
All they had to do was say "check all people's immigration status" and it would be a fair law, but nooooo.
awesomerepublican 1 year ago
What Arizona does is everyone's fucking business!
For example If any state brought back slavery or any Jim Crow law, that's civil rights, baby. Civil rights are one thing that sets America apart from other countries. You can't mess with civil rights and not mess with America as a whole.
awesomerepublican 1 year ago
@awesomerepublican It's not violating their civil right if they're not citizens in the first place!
blackdragoness21 1 year ago
@blackdragoness21
How about human rights? Are you going to say they aren't human either?
awesomerepublican 1 year ago
@awesomerepublican In Mexico , You can be beaten , inprisoned or even shot for entering the country illegally . I think our law is pretty civil compared to that .
teronman 1 year ago
@teronman
Don't comparing one country to another.
Compare that god awful law to just laws.
Besides, you can't possibly be arguing "let's be as worse off as a country...but just make sure we're just a LIIIIITLE bit better than Mexico, then we'll be OK" are you?
awesomerepublican 1 year ago
@awesomerepublican you're so worried about violating "THEIR" rights! What about OUR rights? Why should I as a taxpayer have to pay for health care, education, wellfare and a whole list of other programs so someone who is here ILLEGALLY can enjoy them? If you enter Mexico illegally you can bet your ass YOU WON'T GET THE SAME TREATMENT! WHAT PART OF ILLEGAL ARE YOU HAVING A HARD TIME UNDERSTANDING????? What part of HIGHER TAXES ARE YOU HAVING A HARD TIME UNDERSTANDING?????
karryf 1 year ago
@blackdragoness21
Not violating "their" civil rights?
Who's "their" are you referring to?
The law lets police act purely on SUSPICION ONLYabout ANYBODY! Citizens or not!
awesomerepublican 1 year ago
@awesomerepublican Jesus Christ are you stupid!!! Why don't you sit your dumb ass down and READ THE FUCKING ARIZONA LAW before you make yourself look even more stupid! I know you haven't because if you had, you would know that there is NOTHING in that law that goes against the FEDERAL LAW THAT IS ALREADY IN PLACE!
karryf 1 year ago
@karryf Jesus Christ are you stupid!!! Why don't you sit your dumb ass down and Read ANYTHING before you try to act like an intelligent and critically thinking individual! THAT GOD AWFUL LAW ALLOWS POLICE TO ACT PURELY BASED ON SUSPICION AGAINST ANYBODY.
Ignorant people like you would say, "good then they'll use it ONLY AGAINST THE ILLEGAL ALIENS!"
YEAH RIGHT they will be right 100% of the time with their "suspicion"-that would be fucking better than based on EVIDENCE!
awesomerepublican 1 year ago
@awesomerepublican YOU KNOW WHAT? THE MORE I READ OF YOUR STUPID HORSESHIT THE FUNNIER YOU BECOME. YOU ARE NOT WORTH EVEN WASTING MY TIME TRYING TO ARGUE WITH. AS BERNIE FRANK ONCE SAID TO HIS CONSTITUANT... TRYING TO TALK TO YOU IS LIKE TRYING TOTALK TO A KITCHEN TABLE. I'M NOT INTERESTED..... GO LIVE IN YOUR STUPID FANTASY WORLD. BETTER YET... GO LIVE IN MEXICO.
karryf 1 year ago
@karryf
What a joke you are. What was that? I couldn't hear you over the ALL CAPS LOCK ON.
What a way to demonstrate my comments aren't worth your time, by reading my comments and spending time replying multiple times to the same comment over and over again with ALL CAPS LOCK ON BECAUSE THAT SOMEHOW MAKES YOU RIGHT.
The new AZ laws are not simply enforcing the existing laws. Stop spreading that lie. If they were the same, they wouldn't have to PASS A NEW LAW genius.
awesomerepublican 1 year ago
@awesomerepublican First of all , there are children on here , you should watch your language and second of all READ THE LAW !!! It is not discriminitory towards anyone except illegal aliens The liberals would have you believe that but it is not at all the case . READ IT !!!!!
teronman 1 year ago
@teronman@teronman
Language: Tell that to karryf ; )
As for children here: I agree. Many pretend to be adults spewing hate toward anyone who looks different. I'd say that's childish too!
It is discriminatory. That law, police are allowed to act purely on suspicion. Who do you think they will "suspect"? Whites? Yuppies? Country club folk? The affluent?
If you think they ONLY suspect aliens then they would have already KNEW who the aliens were and WOULDN'T HAVE TO pass such a stupid law!
awesomerepublican 1 year ago
Awesome! Saying it as it is! The Arizona law he was referring to is shameful!
awesomerepublican 1 year ago
@awesomerepublican Read the law Dumb-ass!
Wildkkat1 1 year ago
@Wildkkat1
Read the law dumb-ass!
awesomerepublican 1 year ago
@awesomerepublican Then go live there and see how you like dealing with it . The people in Az are living in fear as the drug wars are spilling over OUR border .
teronman 1 year ago 2
@teronman
Thant's a TOTALLY DIFFERENT matter.
Not liking drug war vs unjust laws to deal with said wars are separate issues.
Just because we don't like drug wars doesn't mean we get to pass discrimination laws like that.
awesomerepublican 1 year ago
The desa drank Obama's coolaid, they are gutter sluts just like the boss. The American people should havee real leaders, instead of idiots. Time to stand up America, and take back your country. By cheering mexico, the democrats said FUCK YOU, to Arizona and the American People.
TheImpeacher 1 year ago
You left-wing morons! I'll bet you haven't even read the bill! I have! There is absolutely NOTHING in the bill that says a cop can pull you over and demand your papers! Every part of this law refers to the FEDERAL LAW that is already IN PLACE and it strictly prohibits going against that FEDERAL LAW! Calderon and Obama are both Hyprocrites!
karryf 1 year ago
@karryf
Actually you're wrong. If you've read the law, you'd read that after a lawful stop, they can check immigration status IF THEY SUSPECT you are an illegal alien.
How the heck is that fair? If they want to check immigration status, they should check EVERYONE'S status during a stop. BTW not all stops are arrests.
awesomerepublican 1 year ago
What Arizona does is none of your fucking business!
blackdragoness21 1 year ago
How about let the STATES decide their own laws instead of having the federal goverment decide. GEEZ. I'm on Arizona's side and I'm from Wisconsin.
Zukosgirl251 1 year ago
@Zukosgirl251
How about not pass laws that allow the unfair application of immigration status check?
How about pass a law, if you want to check immigation status, that checks ALL PEOPLE'S immigration status during a lawful stopping rather than just based on racial profiling?
awesomerepublican 1 year ago
Throw the BUMS Out!!
BornTwyce2 1 year ago
@BornTwyce2
AGREED! Throw the republicans out! They are not awesome!
awesomerepublican 1 year ago
WHat is not said is the only ONE section did a standing ovation for slamming Arizona - the DEMOCRATS. This is possiblely one of the most absurdly disrespectful and irresponsible acts ever to happen on the floor of the House.
JohnLloydScharf 1 year ago 2
mexican president only cares about all of the money that is sent from the USA to mexico.
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Billions of American Dollars are sent back to mexico by the Illegal Immigrants.
ryen1992 1 year ago 2
F-U !!!!!!!!!!!
showaltermicro 1 year ago
WTF is my landscaper doing in congress!? I don't pay him to talk I pay him to pull weeds out my flower beds. LOL
Why the hell are we allowing this we need to do a mass deportation and it needs to be done now.
SeanScythe 1 year ago
@SeanScythe
Such a typical middle-of-the-road republican mentality:
Scapegoating the "other" and negative stereotyping.
awesomerepublican 1 year ago
@awesomerepublican
First of all read the bill PAGE 1 Lines 33-34 it's right in the bill.
Second you haven't made a single point in any of your post. You are just ranting and have nothing to back up what you say.
SeanScythe 1 year ago
@SeanScythe
First of all you assumed I haven't read the law.
See SB1070 Section 2 article 8 subsection B (line 20-26)
Secondly if you read the law instead of wrongly charging other of not reading the law, then you'd find I did back up what I said, namely WITH THE LAW I WAS TALKING ABOUT THAT YOU CLAIMED I DIDN'T READ.
awesomerepublican 1 year ago
@awesomerepublican
Yes you are wining this so well because you have provided so many facts. You have provided no facts just telling me to read a bill that I already have. The question is why are you telling me to read See SB1070 Section 2 article 8 subsection B (line 20-26) when there is nothing about racial profiling in any of that? I think you are reading to much into what isn't there.
SeanScythe 1 year ago
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@SeanScythe
LOL! Now you're in damage control mode! Denial.
SB1070 Section 2 article 8 subsection B (line 20-26) says during a stop they can pick and chose who to check immigration status on based on suspicion.
If you don't get that then you're totally in damage control mode.
awesomerepublican 1 year ago
Gee...what has this country come to? the main language is english. not spanish! we celebrate american holidays not mexican holidays. I think the mexicans are trying to get even for the usa getting texas and california. Gee, can we say sore losers? now they want the usa to celebrate their holidays? you know what i say to that? f-u
dreamwarrior2008 1 year ago 2
Mexico is one of the toughest countries for immigrants. Anyone, read about how illegals are treated in Mexico. I don't agree with racial profiling, but Mexico does it all and is 1000 times worse than the U.S. So, stop the hypocrisy MEXICO... Give amnesty to your central American immigrants then you can talk.
In Mexico even if you are legal you can't own property.
elpatriotaLX 1 year ago
Civil war is coming folks.....
gunloc26 1 year ago 3
@gunloc26
Another example of White flight is coming folks...
awesomerepublican 1 year ago
So this is how democracy dies, with applause.
MeNcIaIsM72 1 year ago
TOUGH! You don't like it, GREAT. That's EXACTLY WHAT WE WANT. Let's ADOPT MEXICO's immigration laws then. How's that Mr. Calderon, you hypocritical POS?! SHUT UP and GET OUT OF OUR COUNTRY. STOP trying to meddle in our affairs. We need to watch this video over and again and see every person who stood and applauded and hold them to account at election time. Let's send the whole group back to Mexico with Mr. Calderon.
chattingcat 1 year ago 3
@chattingcat Love your comment! I completely agree!!
bull1309 1 year ago
I had a friend in Mexico was not born there. To become a citizen, he offered the then Interior Minister an envelope with $10,000 (AMERICAN DOLLARS) for EACH family member. In exchange they were "naturalized" and given Mexican passports.
That official later became the President of Mexico: Luis Echeverría.
Go read wikipedia (/wiki/Luis_Echeverría) to understand Echeverría' use of mass murder to rule.
adamitshelanu 1 year ago
@adamitshelanu bribery in mexico. I am shocked there is gambling in casablanca
STILLNAKEDBULLWINKLE 1 year ago