"Wylie's wilful and scurrilous distortion of her response may reflect a personal sense of irritation at her self-assurance and boldness, which he may have considered an insult to the court. More likely, his fictitious account sprang, above all, from a feeling that the Countess had by her actions betrayed both her religion and her class (she had been presented at court to Queen Victoria in her jubilee year, 1887).
@halokaktus Her husband was either from Warsaw, elsewhere in the Russian Congress Poland, not the Prussian/German or the Austrian parts, or the Polish-speaking parts of Lithuania, the Belarus or the Ukraine within the Tsarist Russian Empire, therefore it followed the Russian way of spelling, a "v" instead of a "w".
@SE962582C Yeah, I know it, but it's not the rule ( often but not always) . Beside, Kazimierz was Polish for sure (many historical source said that he was also member of the Russian nobility, but it's complicated. I 've read Marta Petrusewicz book about Constanse and she wrote people said that just because his outfit) . Well my grandma was born in Kostopil (now it's Ukraine), and she's polish :)
@halokaktus The Prussians/Germans and the Austrians even spell the patronymic suffix witz/vitz as "witch"! But do remember, the Countess was apparently "estranged" from her husband, the Count and the Real Markievicz/Markiewicz, which meant that she had left her husband, but because that they were probably "good" Catholics, they were not divorced, and did not also had their marriage "annulled".
@SE962582C The Count might had a new Polish passport with and under the surname "Markiewicz", but if the Countess was no longer living with the Count, and it was unlikely that she would still go to a lawyer (solicitor) and pay money, perhaps up to GBP £20 sterling, to have her surname changed to follow her husband and his surname, a person that she of course no longer loved.
@SE962582C P.S.: One of the doctors that I still have, but perhaps no more, is surnamed "Stryjakiewicz", so perhaps I am not too unfamiliar with Polish surnames.
@SE962582C, Constance was Anglican until 1917, and her daughter was also baptised into her religion as well. But divorce, while unacceptable to Roman Catholics, was still a pretty big stigma in western societies in general.
@cobrolchain2 Three-quarters or more of Poland then belonged to the Tsarist Russian Empire, and the Russian way was to use the "v" instead of the "w", which is German.
A heroine of and for Ireland. Learned of her first in high school, NY. Imagine for a moment had she not been discredited by the English, now wouldn't that be strange?!?!
Distortion of the truth has always been a signature feature of Britain's modus operandi, from Parnell to Countess Markievitcz and every event before, since and in between.
The truth comes secondary to loyalty in the English psyche.
How strange had they NOT fabricated a false version of events in the face of being stared down by a mere woman.
@musiicjunkiie she was a headcase. why do people name stuff after her? she was almost certainly the most irrational person on the history course, she romantisised violence, shot an unsuspecting policeman, kissed her gun before handing it over and opposed the treaty.
@rory198 she was not a headcase. She romanticised violence??????? She was fighting a war!!!! what do you expect? she shot the policeman of a foreign country! go and learn some history
I don't think the Countess would have implied she was "ONLY A WOMAN" - which I'm assuming this line was for sheer TV purposes - she witnessed her friends being executed - and fought - if it was me I would go myself - and I'm sure she would have too - but whatever happened that time happened - she was a very strong and inspirational woman. A STRONG woman.
Connolly was of the opinion that the events of Easter Week would have to take place ..... he said if the "irish Citizens Army" didn't take the fight ...... that the women of 'Cumann na mBan' would.......during the fighting in Stephens Green accounts stated she indeed equiped herself well throughout same giving at great cost to her own safety... she also wounded a British Sniper who was firing from the roof top of the Georgian Buildings within the Square a true Revolutionary Soldier
It was definitely bias or some kind of hatred toward her. I've read her biography and done some research on her and she would have never caved under pressure -- nor would those words come out of her mouth that she was "only a woman." If you read of some of the difficult things she was put through, you would know that she doesn't cave under pressure.
I think the notion that 'People who become High Court Judges don't normally invent fabrications' is the most naive statement I have ever read on the Web.
Absolutely. In fact, this would only encourage me to look closer at his testimony and indeed at his character. Wiley contradicts a contemporary document that was compiled in situ, therefore I think that eiher his memory is deffective or his bias clouds his memoir.
she was not in command of stephens green garison but was second to michael mallin who was later executed . like her comrades she was galant and a credit to connollys citizen army
"Wylie's wilful and scurrilous distortion of her response may reflect a personal sense of irritation at her self-assurance and boldness, which he may have considered an insult to the court. More likely, his fictitious account sprang, above all, from a feeling that the Countess had by her actions betrayed both her religion and her class (she had been presented at court to Queen Victoria in her jubilee year, 1887).
duncaolog 1 week ago
One tough woman, she's kick the living daylights out of any man living today :~)
philyB08 2 months ago
I cannot imagine this woman breaking down and begging for mercy under any circunstances. She was one tough cookie.
daver852 1 year ago
It's funny how even though she is so famous, you guys still can't get our name right. :) it's a W, not a V
TheResoluteTyrant 1 year ago
@TheResoluteTyrant It's spelt with a v, but I think it's supposed to be pronounced as a w.
cobrolchain2 1 year ago
@cobrolchain2 Well, her husband(Kazimierz Dunin-Markiewicz) was from Poland, so it have to be "W" .
halokaktus 10 months ago
@halokaktus Her husband was either from Warsaw, elsewhere in the Russian Congress Poland, not the Prussian/German or the Austrian parts, or the Polish-speaking parts of Lithuania, the Belarus or the Ukraine within the Tsarist Russian Empire, therefore it followed the Russian way of spelling, a "v" instead of a "w".
SE962582C 1 month ago
@SE962582C Yeah, I know it, but it's not the rule ( often but not always) . Beside, Kazimierz was Polish for sure (many historical source said that he was also member of the Russian nobility, but it's complicated. I 've read Marta Petrusewicz book about Constanse and she wrote people said that just because his outfit) . Well my grandma was born in Kostopil (now it's Ukraine), and she's polish :)
halokaktus 1 month ago
@halokaktus The Prussians/Germans and the Austrians even spell the patronymic suffix witz/vitz as "witch"! But do remember, the Countess was apparently "estranged" from her husband, the Count and the Real Markievicz/Markiewicz, which meant that she had left her husband, but because that they were probably "good" Catholics, they were not divorced, and did not also had their marriage "annulled".
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@SE962582C The Count might had a new Polish passport with and under the surname "Markiewicz", but if the Countess was no longer living with the Count, and it was unlikely that she would still go to a lawyer (solicitor) and pay money, perhaps up to GBP £20 sterling, to have her surname changed to follow her husband and his surname, a person that she of course no longer loved.
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@SE962582C P.S.: One of the doctors that I still have, but perhaps no more, is surnamed "Stryjakiewicz", so perhaps I am not too unfamiliar with Polish surnames.
SE962582C 1 month ago
@SE962582C, Constance was Anglican until 1917, and her daughter was also baptised into her religion as well. But divorce, while unacceptable to Roman Catholics, was still a pretty big stigma in western societies in general.
Siulach 1 month ago
@cobrolchain2 Three-quarters or more of Poland then belonged to the Tsarist Russian Empire, and the Russian way was to use the "v" instead of the "w", which is German.
SE962582C 1 month ago
ireland for the irish
boy1belfast 1 year ago
A heroine of and for Ireland. Learned of her first in high school, NY. Imagine for a moment had she not been discredited by the English, now wouldn't that be strange?!?!
God bless Ireland.
PeteLinUni 1 year ago
Wiley,no doubt thought himself a defender of the crown and lied,,probably considered it a greater honour to lie for the crown than to tell the truth.
After all this isnt beyond the british,look how they tried to set roger casement up.
macker33 1 year ago
Distortion of the truth has always been a signature feature of Britain's modus operandi, from Parnell to Countess Markievitcz and every event before, since and in between.
The truth comes secondary to loyalty in the English psyche.
How strange had they NOT fabricated a false version of events in the face of being stared down by a mere woman.
helenaZZZZirlandaise 1 year ago 4
love her, an inspiration thank god i took higher level history in the LC or I would never know as much as I do about her did my essay on her.
musiicjunkiie 2 years ago
@musiicjunkiie she was a headcase. why do people name stuff after her? she was almost certainly the most irrational person on the history course, she romantisised violence, shot an unsuspecting policeman, kissed her gun before handing it over and opposed the treaty.
rory198 2 years ago
@rory198 Yes great quirks, come on, things were extremely different in those days she needed to be the way she was. thank god for her.
musiicjunkiie 2 years ago
@rory198 she was not a headcase. She romanticised violence??????? She was fighting a war!!!! what do you expect? she shot the policeman of a foreign country! go and learn some history
Esmerelda29089 1 year ago
@rory198 Anyone prepared to make a stand for Ireland then was a hero, so do not take away this woman's status as one of them - not that you could !
josparkes1 1 year ago 2
here' i im a relation of Counr Markievicz.....
Sligo on our passport!!
kazazd 2 years ago
I don't think the Countess would have implied she was "ONLY A WOMAN" - which I'm assuming this line was for sheer TV purposes - she witnessed her friends being executed - and fought - if it was me I would go myself - and I'm sure she would have too - but whatever happened that time happened - she was a very strong and inspirational woman. A STRONG woman.
NatGrays 2 years ago
Connolly was of the opinion that the events of Easter Week would have to take place ..... he said if the "irish Citizens Army" didn't take the fight ...... that the women of 'Cumann na mBan' would.......during the fighting in Stephens Green accounts stated she indeed equiped herself well throughout same giving at great cost to her own safety... she also wounded a British Sniper who was firing from the roof top of the Georgian Buildings within the Square a true Revolutionary Soldier
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Lol....if the court document had implied she caved in under pressure and Wiley had contradicted that, you'd all be lauding him right now.
It's hilarious.
Oliver1649 2 years ago
Because the value and reliability of each source has no bearing on the matter whatsoever.
cobrolchain2 2 years ago
It was definitely bias or some kind of hatred toward her. I've read her biography and done some research on her and she would have never caved under pressure -- nor would those words come out of her mouth that she was "only a woman." If you read of some of the difficult things she was put through, you would know that she doesn't cave under pressure.
WorldComposer 2 years ago
I think the notion that 'People who become High Court Judges don't normally invent fabrications' is the most naive statement I have ever read on the Web.
thallassocracy 2 years ago
Absolutely. In fact, this would only encourage me to look closer at his testimony and indeed at his character. Wiley contradicts a contemporary document that was compiled in situ, therefore I think that eiher his memory is deffective or his bias clouds his memoir.
samprastherabbit 2 years ago
she was not in command of stephens green garison but was second to michael mallin who was later executed . like her comrades she was galant and a credit to connollys citizen army
ALMEROONE 2 years ago
excellent thx u for the video keep up the posting plz
beggo321 3 years ago