LHCNews Nov 12, 2009 - Protons are back in the LHC!

[patterncuber11]

*%&@! i don`t wanna live only 11 or 12 year`s old.

[MotherFuckerMike]

Welcome back, Protons! =D

We missed you! ♥♪♫

[random36745]

i know i only have very very basic knowledge of physics and the LHC, buttttt would there be any possibility, that if nuclear atoms or nucleus's (whatever i have no idea) nuclear fusion might possibly take place

[Xoxocube]

What ever happens, im excited about the LHC. Been following it for years. It would be nice to see something we didn't expect.

[importfilta]

haha so true never thought about it that way. Give me all your shit and then go rely on god. HA! Love it!

[Hornet85]

If its not for science, people wouldn't be able to preach online today, heh.

[shon9514]

No praise, just critics. I think everyone has forgotten how we are talking with each other.........ONLINE........LE­ARN YOUR HISTORY HYPOCRATES.........CERN was the main conributor for INVENTING THE INTERNET. DUUUUUUUUUU yes, for certain, science is a waste of time and money, DAm fools. Just like experimenting with the wheel and fire were a stupid waste of time. Go text some one.

[Manewalis]

The God Partical will not be found !!

[mikeroephonics]

@Manewalis Care to release your proof to the scientific community as to why this is the case? We're anxiously waiting to hear your ideas.

[sbergman27]

@mikeroephonics Lately, I've been considering the inaccurate names common in science. At best, they get people off on the wrong foot, as the name "Bing Bang" does. At worst they are megnets for Religious Wackos, like "God Particle". The "Big Bang" is fundamentally about spatial expansion, not an explosion. But most lay people think "explosion". And "God Particle" gets people thinking who knows what. Public science education would benefit greeatly from a "spring cleaning" of its jargon.

[mikeroephonics]

The ironic thing is Peter Higgs called it the "goddamned particle" but was advised to shorten it to the "God Particle." There's a video of him in an interview discussing this, on YT.

Regarding the Higgs Boson (as it should be called), even if they do not find it, that just means they need to think differently about something in their equations. NOT finding it would be almost as interesting (though probably not as exciting as finding it.)

[sbergman27]

@mikeroephonics: Stephen Hawking has said that he doesn't think the LHC will find it, and that not finding it would be far more interesting. Steven Weinberg has said on several occasions that he is "terrified" that the LHC will find the Higgs Boson... but nothing much else of interest, leaving us with the question of "What now?".

We desperately need some physical hints to complete one of our beautiful GUT theories and bring it into the realm of real science, with testable predictions.

[jean1126]

Smashing protons could be a better power source than oil- solar-wind-coal power...? ...!...

[ocinito]

for you to mention God or a test to prove him not to exist is simply an oxi-moron...God does exist and so does Jesus , but many will never believe and will be lost...

[TheOfc100]

I thought people left medieval times :))

[sertora]

nobody wants to name it but we r in the edge of a new era.. once the data is analysed the age of mystery will end OR the real age of mystery will begin. Both ways the idea of god WILL change. If they can not see anything new in the collission it will mean we understood everything wrong until now and god still has some time.. But if they see and understand how things get created out of chaos than there shall be no need for him.. Cause we will KNOW the recipy.. and we will BECOME gods

[rekaras]

NICE VIDEO QUALITY!!!!

[Celeon999A]

And this year's award for the category most self-embarresing comment goes to ..... The Ofc100 !! :-D

Please someone hand a physics book over to him so that he can learn for himself why one cannot see protons :-D

[TheOfc100]

I was drunk and wanted to troll :))))))))))

I study physics for long time, so I hope my mentors will not read this hahah

[mephistophile33]

you sir, are a legend

[mobster911989]

I don't really know what kind of "micro cameras" u would have to put inside these pipes to actually catch an image of particles moving 300 000 km/s TheOfc100 >.>

[TheOfc100]

So shell we see those fucked protons or what? They keep talking about them for decades and no one saw them yet. Spend 6.000.000.000 eur on a collider and yet they can't buy some micro cameras. FUCK YOU ALL!!!!!!!!!

[ozweblogs]

The LHC *is* a micro camera. Or at least a camera for looking at smaller than micro things.

[danielsan854]

These people are breaking rule number one in physics, never cross the beams!

[TeamDarwin1809]

cool background at 2:50

[finalgenius]

one bird vs CERN, who will win obviously the bird. its true it happened on Nov 7 2009

[wowthungsten]

@Prutprat She can certainly collimate my beam any day of the week!

[makedonas86]

LOL the music in the beginning sounds like from a japanese anime series hahahhaha

[theslaking2]

when are you gonna start the test a gain??

[iplop]

Hopefully there won't be any time traveling, baggett laden pigeons this time.. (j/k)

[goldragon988]

Finally we're gonna have flying cars and laser pistols and stuff.

[hybridcar]

finally,we can soon find out if the higgs boson does exist.

[sweepee4pres]

i'm one of the inventors of the lhc,i created the proton 5 years ago.

[drcplane]

This is phenomenal. What a wonderful time to be alive and watch the latest in the adventure to the beginning of "this" universe!

Thank you for allowing such a close, inside gaze (with narration to boot).

[CeLtiK0]

I'm proud of this great team of scientists, keep up with your excellent work.

[troydeanz]

I am a layman on this topic but I have to say this is one of the most interesting experiments ever undertaken. I know that in theroy they are expecting certain things to occur, but it is the unexpected that should be the most facinating.

[danielsan854]

There is a famous quote;

"The most exciting phrase to hear in science, the one that heralds new discoveries, is not 'Eureka!' (I found it!) but 'That's funny ...'" - Isaac Asimov

[higreentj]

Let`s hope everything checks out ok by the 21st so that we can continue on our voyage of discovery.

[nurbsenvi]

I bet she was real hot 10 years ago.

[bjoern23]

Another try at CERN, after repair's on the LHC machine, maybe, November 20 or 21. 2009 !? Protons accelerate in LHC and Collide in ATLAS, This European CERN = Government founded, established by 12 European governments in 1952, LHC = cost about 9 billion dollars !? Norway, pays about 18 millon US dollars every year, into the CERN project ! CERN has 20 member countries, as sponsor's !

[MrEpidemik]

How the F*ck does this stuff get funded?

[tubester4567]

what would happen if they put 2 French guys inside the tubes and crashed them together?

[Monkeyshouts]

Maybe the biggest ego ever seen.

[GARETHMOCHAN]

A great video once again! Thanks for making this. How a bout an interview with Lyndon Evans for the next video?

[4scotto]

this is so cool. :D i cant wait for the next vid for an update

[BuzzTubeWeb]

Medical research, wireless technology, laser technology, energy technology are just a few areas that have and continue to benefit from such research.

Say if I'm a scientist or physicist with an idea that can be used on a practical basis that had something to do with particles...like smart materials. The data is stored. It's shared over the entire world stored in computer data banks that can be accessed by physicists and scientists, by people with ideas.

Sounds like a practical benefit to me.

[BuzzTubeWeb]

Montreal Gazette Jul 28 08

Will there be any practical benefits from the LHC?

The LHC has been designed for pure research. There are no guaranteed practical benefits. However all previous pure research has led to discoveries with practical benefits. The original research on electrons was done without any inkling of the benefits that would flow from electronic devices. Its pretty well inevitable that research at CERN will lead to fresh scientific insights that will have practical applications.

[FluffMachine]

Yeah! i was upset that the bird poop made it close for awhile. there is always something. but i'm glad its back on track.

[pippodeltrappeto]

Nerd porn...and i love it!

[Emamnuelguzman86]

This is like porn to me, lets bang some protons.

[Newkiller]

yay!

[dobberdoss]

Simple question: where did the billions of dollars come from that paid for the construction of this machine? how many countries put in?

[BuzzTubeWeb]

The money came from...Countries.

as of Jul 2008 according to the Montreal Gazette Canada contributed $100 million

[TheGeoffalope]

I can't wait to hear the initial results.

[austpom333]

Grate.  I really hope this technology leads to new discoveries.

[zapleaf]

Does anyone know what the smaller version of this model have proven for science?

[panstriato2]

actually, passing from solid to gas has another name, sublimation I think.

[Yoyokilla1]

gud upload

[crackfe]

WTF man?? that machine is going to open a whole new understanding of fundamental physics and give us the knowledge to create like 10000000000000 new technologies for the future....

[lessermystery]

I hope you're right. RHIC was supposed to do exactly that with gold ions. But now it's hadrons. What if some other type of proton were collided? Anyway, I don't really care about all that, I care about the safety risks. I hope the machine breaks down indefinitely, until we can be certain that their calculations insofar as the risks are concerned, are correct. Some of us aren't so sure.

[martiangrundy]

"Anyway, I don't really care about all that, I care about the safety risks. I hope the machine breaks down indefinitely, until we can be certain that their calculations insofar as the risks are concerned, are correct."

What safety risks exactly?

You don't imagine they have already done one or two calculations? Do you imagine they would just go ahead regardless?

Are you a physicist? Do you understand the maths, and what is going on here?

Or have you been listening to scare stories about B Holes

[lessermystery]

I have a mind of my own, I don't need scare mongers to tell me how or what to think, and I don't have to be a physicist to have questions about what is presented in terms of risk assessment. And I have questions and doubts. I've raised the actual questions I've had before - they were well thought out, relevant, legit questions, but rather than address the questions, character attacks ensued. My continued prayers for the machine to fail.

[mranenome]

I agree with you. The risk of catastrophe is no doubt extremely small. But there is no critical need to take any risk, and I doubt there is any prospect of any great practical benefit ever coming out of this kind of work.

I think it's a really bad idea to take even small risks, that aren't necessary, and that aren't even of practical benefit. Especially if you are risking the lives of others in addition to your own.

If this machine never works I will not be disappointed.

[alywilliams1985]

wow, you are just a barrel of fun aren't you.

[dancetoons]

"I doubt there is any prospect of any great practical benefit ever coming out of this kind of work. " Yes. I also wonder if different protons will produce different kinds of material in their collisions, and if so, how can colliding hadrons provide definitive proof of what the conditions of the universe were like hundreds of millionths of a second after the big bang. It almost assumes that the big bang was caused by colliding hadrons...

[Swidhelm]

Have they got a projected date for the first collision?

[totheloveilove]

not sure of first collision but from what i read somewhere is since their accident. CERN has been taking a "softly-softy approach" but that their first collision will be done at 7 Teraelectrovolts (half of LHCs potential). So that should be awesome since the previous collision record holder is the Tevatron with 1.96 Teraelectrovolts

[Swidhelm]

Sweet, thanks for the info.

Cheers

[SaudiAtheist]

This is cool ,

I really wonder what will happen when they inject protons to the entire LHC and collide them together !

[spinynorman1982]

I'm more excited about this than the latest season of 'Dexter' and I LOVE DEXTER!

[jedaaa]

cant belive this only has 312 veiws, its been up for hours n hours. its cerntv ffs.

[inepticon]

barely anyone knows about the LHC lol

[melis256]

Yae!

Let us all vote 5 stars on this video to bring it up to the public.

[jedaaa]

i got your back milis, : )

i just cant belive the worlds most complicated enterprise is so overlooked..........

[Lavabug]

The host is sexy...

[oz9aec]

LHC is sexy too...

[TaxEvasion]

she is definately sexy

[Raptor696969]

just some of the cosmic rays which hit the earth have more energy than the collision of the lhc. neutrinos from the deep space collide with the atmosfere at very high speeds and nothing happens

[makedonas86]

You are ALL absoultely right. But the difference with LHC is that 2 protons will hit each other from TWO DIFFERENT directions with nearly the speed of light, whereas cosmic particles hit other particles of the earth that are (almost) standing still. !!!???!!!

[Maverickx89]

you're right at some point. Still u have to think that there are a lot of different particle processes going on in space - just think of the sun's core at his enormous temperatures. Single particles of hot bodies can randomly accelerate to enormouse speeds. All kinds of collisions may happen there at random rates, unseparable from the other processes.

[lessermystery]

yes, but how inhabitable is the sun?

[Maverickx89]

As up to theory of relativity - E = mc2, there is absolutely no risc in those experiments, coz there is barelly mass and only very few energy in LHC. It could never create so much mass to create a black hole - black holes are concentrated enormous masses, you would probably need to collide 2 stars against each other to create one..

[BuzzTubeWeb]

High particle physics discussed in great detail with no concept of spelling or physics My Fav!!!

Coz U make sense so!

[lessermystery]

Yes, but other matter could be created, such as stable strange matter, and if that happens, it's game over. I heard the odds of this or anything like this happening are 1 in 50,000, although that doesn't make much sense in the face of 600,000,000 collisions per second, but if the odds of catastrophe are 1 in 50,000,000, what are the odds of finding the higgs boson, or anything else equally meaningful?

[lessermystery]

correction on the odds - I meant 1 in 50,000,000.

[Solablueangel]

About odds...I gave birth to a daughter with Rett Syndrome after having three ordinary children...the odds are about 1 in 20,ooo. But guess what...she was born with Rett Syndrome. As you said...game over. A pretty big game would be over, so 1 in 50,000 does NOT reassure me AT ALL. Not even a little bit.

[lessermystery]

what about 1 in 50,000,000 - the other was a typo. i continue to pray for the machine to fail. more prayers can't hurt!

[chrmats4]

Yeah, keep praying against human evolution and technology that WILL one day help us all in many ways.

Good thinking, way to go.

[lessermystery]

"Yeah, keep praying against human evolution and technology that WILL one day help us all in many ways." - Non sequiter, nice try though.

[shon9514]

No kidding, like ppl saying ' what did science ever do for us', while they play xbox, surf online, use their cell phones while complaining about high gas prices.

[Maverickx89]

Scientists just found an asteroid which has "the odds" to hit earth like 1 in 300 in 100 years. Now thats a real danger. The advance in science and technology would give us a way to protect us against rather real threats then the riscs are.

Also scientists are really not suicidal and have children too - they wont do that if they thought this would be even of minor riscs

You should really understand how small masses are in LHC. A few particles wont destroy earth, no matter what kind of them.

[lessermystery]

All conjecture - advances in science and technology afforded by LHC are just rhetoric at this time, creating stable strangelets is a REAL risk, as proto strange matter has already been created by RHIC, and your assumed estimation of my lack of understanding of the smallness of the particles is a subtle character attack. It all sounds very impressive, but you haven't even tried to address the stated odds, vs. number of collisions per second. A few particles? Maybe you're being obtuse on purpose.

[Maverickx89]

every time a new accelerator ist started there is such a lawsuit. And never anything was created which would even damage the sensors of the collider - so what kind of "already created problem"at RHIC we are talking about? All quarks are still availible after collision to stabilize the particles in case they start fusing btw.

[lessermystery]

You talk as if the gluon plasma created by the smashing of gold ions was in the plan all along, when they had no idea what colliding the ions would do. As I understand it, strange matter would be the most dense, most stable particle known to us - it's the stable particles that fuse, not the unstable ones. It is thought that more powerful collisions could result in more stable strange quarks, so this is just one of the potential problems with proto strange matter.

[Maverickx89]

if we would always know what exactly happens - why doint experiments at all?

No particles will be created which didnt exist while the creation of our planets and universe. The only dangerous creation which is really "feared" actually is micro-black hole, but as this theory is totally unscientific, we dont need to think about it.

[TheFifthApes]

212 BC: "Do not disturb my circles." - "Tell that to the edge of my sword!"

1600: "Ok so about that whole world revolving around the sun thing. Maybe we could just talk about it?

1859: "I am not a monkey's uncle! Get thee behind me charles! ur, i mean Satan!"

1895: "If I could travel along side a beam of light..." - "Albert! Stop daydreaming in class, you'll never amount to anything"

2009: "Down with strangelets! Shut down the LHC"

Science: If you aint pissing people off you aint doing it right.

[lessermystery]

"2009: "Down with strangelets! Shut down the LHC"

Science: If you aint pissing people off you aint doing it right."

And THAT'S your rebuttal? ROFL!

[TheFifthApes]

No, here's my rebuttal:

No strangelets were produced at the RHIC and the LHC is less likely to produce them than the RHIC:

iop . org / EJ / abstract / 0954-3899 / 35 / 11 / 115004

Stop trying to prevent the march of science. It's people like you that locked up Galileo.

[lessermystery]

"No strangelets were produced at the RHIC and the LHC is less likely to produce them than the RHIC:" - misleading, I said RHIC produced proto strange matter in the form of some type of gluon plasma. "Stop trying to prevent the march of science. It's people like you that locked up Galileo" Ad hominem + my objection has nothing to do with preventing the march of science, as I do not assume CERN holds the monopoly on scientific advancement.

[TheFifthApes]

Just in case you're too lazy to read that article for yourself:

"The LHC reproduces in the laboratory, under controlled conditions, collisions at centre-of-mass energies, less than those reached in the atmosphere by some of the cosmic rays that have been bombarding the Earth for billions of years"

If strangelets were an issue we would already be dead.

[lessermystery]

"If strangelets were an issue we would already be dead." When somebody comes back with a rebuttal like this, this is when I know that I can stop taking this person seriously.

[TheFifthApes]

What's wrong with that rebuttal? Energies in the high atmosphere are higher than in the LHC so if strangelets could be produced by the energies in the LHC they could be produced in the high atmosphere, so if they are a danger to human life, we wouldn't be here.

[Krumbz2003]

Strange enough... I hope you get strangled by a strangelet.

I'm just sprayin'...

[alceuzinho]

There will always be fanatics. Just let them alone. This is just fear. They're just affraid. The kind of people that can't even go to the drugstore without peeing theirselves. They'll have to shut up soon or later.

[dancetoons]

You just proved my point. It doesn't matter how cogent the questions and rebuttals are. Rather than address the issues, most resort to ad hominem attacks, as if that actually trumps debating the evidence and facts.

[TheFifthApes]

I DID address the issues. An Ad Hominum attack is only a logical fallacy when it is used instead of an argument, NOT when it's derived from presented arguments.

[tehinfidel]

頑張ってくださいね！

[lordedvard8]

what kind of education you need 2 work in LHC in any kind of work witch needs high skills EG engineer?

[BuzzTubeWeb]

Spelling 101 for starters.

which I'm sure you'll do fine

[MonsteriuM]

I hope its really works so it can prove the bullshitsim of your big bang theory woo hoo

[Snowflake70]

But will it "create JOBS?" Will it help us escape this rock and explore the universe faster and safer? Will it shield the human race against tyranny, oppression and the ravages of micro-organisms forever? Just questions....... Just looking for practical application of raw knowledge.

[MonsteriuM]

" escape this rock and explore the universe faster and safer?"

No sir god created us to live on this earth and this earth only lol

[Snowflake70]

Ah, evil ! I wondered if you would show up. You only wish "god" did so to retain your power. But alas, it is not to be. Freedom is out of the bottle and the bottle has been shattered - there is no going back. End of story. Infinity - Eternity. There is balance. We are the first step in the journey. God (if there is) created the explorer - us. The vehicle will be built next.

[BuzzTubeWeb]

Hey he knows God!!! and what God thinks!

[MonsteriuM]

I know God, but i'm not really sure if i know what he thinks :)

[TearyEyesAnderson]

If you can't wait to see it working, I suggest you go to their official site and you can watch how it was started the first time. There is a live 5 part/hour long video there "LHC First Beam - Accelerating Science " that shows the entire 2008 startup with interviews about every 45 minutes, the only bad thing is that the parts overlap by about 29 minutes at the begriming of each part. They also have lots of longer movies not seen here on YouTube.

[makedonas86]

Can anyone help me I hear all these theories about black holes and all, especially from that a******** Otto Rössler, who scared me to death!!!

Please help me understand why the scientists at CERN are sure there is NO DANGER for the earth.... I've heard the main reasons already but I want more details so I can sleep well again.... anyone please!!!!

[mafiouso]

lol moron.

[geevow]

Two things:

1) Our current physical theories predict that any formed micro-black hole will evaporate in a fraction of a second, so the black hole will not have time to grow at all. By the way, it is quite unlikely that there will be formed black holes at the LHC in the first place....

[panstriato2]

Black holes are not liquids, thus they don´t evaporate.

[geevow]

It is called like that; check for instance on wiki the subject 'hawking radiation'. Black hole evaporation is just the name for the process where the black hole loses it's mass due to hawking radiation. It is in a sense similar to a drop of water which becomes smaller and smaller as it evaporates...

[panstriato2]

I am sorry, I thod it would be obvious that I was joking, thank you for the time you took explaining.

Maybe the new BH will take us to another dimension with amazon and ciborg babes!

[geevow]

2) Secondly and more importantly, there is extremely tight experimental evidence that a micro black hole will not grow and swallow us all after it is formed, since collisions between particles (with MUCH higher energy than will be reached in the LHC) happen all the time at the top of our atmosphere, and of that of other planets and stars.

[geevow]

Because we see obviously that all those celestial bodies including our own earth are not swallowed by a black hole, we know that IF black hole are formed at all during those collisions, they would be harmless and disappear immediately after formation.

[j9dz2sf]

makedonas86: there are billions of collisions much more energetic than the ones in the LHC each second in the space around the earth and in the universe. Why don't we try to observe them instead of creating new ones? Because they happen at random times at random spaces, so fast that it is impossible to look at them. What does the LHC is just focus beams in a specific place to be able to see what they do. No danger at all.

[stratosjoebar]

i think its both

hehe

[5hafayet]

IS it her accent or the fact that she talks about geeky LHC stuff that makes her incredibly sexy and adorable ??

[GordonWolters]

THanks for the updates!

[I0770]

Keep up the great work!

[EUROSUN1]

Thanks for the Update. Go LHC!!!

[diogeneslaertius666]

the higgs boson is a theoretical stop-gap foisted into the picture to account for the inviability of our model.

the LHC will eventually demonstrate this.

[ogrish84]

I have eaten the Higgs bosons.

[melis256]

LOL!

[leporidus]

"Come out you little Higgs bosons -- where -- are -- you?" (imagining Lt Cmdr Data singing).

[DigitalNecromancer]

Great to hear, I cannot wait for the results.

[billythefifer]

Not long now for some new scientific discoveries. WOO HOO. Oh and the new excuses from the doom and gloom merchants for why the LHC did not end the world...

[perqa]

haha exactly my thoughts! :D Good luck LHC!

[RustyCyler]

alight ! cool !  now fire that baby up and smash some protons !

[coryboy6]

Haha... "Fire it up"... the 17-kilometer particle accelerator. Just flip the switch and we're go! :P

[nubonamission]

Awesome, hope the progress is steady from here on !

[gj75845]

Oh yes!!