Tomiki Randori Competition Crispini v Kirkham

[vaffevo]

This might be the only sports that practise against the knife as real as it goes and still it fails as one can see that they stop that dildo but doesn't get anywhere; the only way then is to hit or kick the other and they are not even pushing the other, much less making some wrist techniques as they didn't got a good hold of that knife hand. But at least they train to avoid getting stabbed - in a real fight they would need to continue with a hit.

[mrdubcrazy]

No strikes allowed? Weakening strikes allow the technique to be accomplished much more effectively when uke resists.

[superesonator]

These Tomiki people might think that they are being more realistic by fighting in an -aha- ring with a - referee-but in what way is that supposed to resemble to actual assault? If you were to try that attack on an Aikikai shihan, rather than try to wrestle you he would lay you out with an Atemi and then remove your shoulder. I've seen real blood and broken bones in the course of Aikikai's "non-competitive" training.

[iprimateman]

@superesonator it's not about fighting it's about sportsmanship. tomiiki competition, like judo, has roots in the martial arts but the competitive style alone is not meant to be applied to fighting

[matkasim]

As a student of judo, aikido and taekwondo, i realise the undeniable truth that in order of aikido techniques to work, the attacker must be fully committed in his attacks, otherwise, the defender end up doing judo or jujitsu techniques. in the alternative, an aikidoka can feint attacks and follow up with aikido techniques.Or apply atemi then follow up with aikido techniques. an aikidoka cannot just wait for the attacks.

[wry1007]

Also I agree with post below ... It's definitely am art...just like capoiera....

[wry1007]

Switch to judo............

[BakaYaru13]

DILDO FIGHT!!

Also, why does only one person have a battle dildo?

[FearThisChannel]

For all the narrow-minded people: THIS is a COMPETITION nót a real FIGHT WHERE IT IS ABOUT SELF DEFENCE. People need to see this.

[tenken21]

Aikido is quite visually impressing but it just lacks in the practical application. I mean just imagine one of these guys up against a judoka or wrestler type... the fight'd be over in a minute. In a fight, there is always a tendency for bodies to interact.

[TheKus]

@888binis888 and also many reasons that justify competition and definitely Randori, read Tomiki's writings for it. Albeit I don't consider this a great display of aikido, remember, there is a reason that Tomiki was the first person given a menkyo Kaiden by Ueshiba.

In the ideal practice of Tomiki Aikido and of Randori, the technique takes four steps, move, off balance, apply technique, uke takes the fall. It is simply Aikido versus a free thinking opponent.

[marcoski711]

@888binis888, @TheInvd and other "no competition in aikido" Many people say this and it has been done to death..zzz. Just get over it guys. There IS competition in aikido. O Sensei had some pretty freaky spiritual experiences, and as one might expect he wrapped up his spiritualism in his teaching. I learn aikido, and I have no obligation to follow his spiritual teachings.

[888binis888]

@marcoski711 thats true man,nobody has no obligation to follow anything.but if you come across with a new idea such as that one(no competition) you either like it or not.but when you do,you believe it.there are many different opinions about aikido,because we are all different individuals,all opinions should be respected.there are many reasons for why people should be seperated.enough.lets find those that unite us.

[marcoski711]

@888binis888 Agreed. Another thing is competition _does_ unite people, especially internationals. You go, get knocked out of eliminations, cheer on the guy who beat you in _his_ next round, do other events next day (teams, individuals, etc), then awards ceremony is a big meal together, getting drunk, and getting to know your new friends better. It's not ego, ego, ego that the No Competition brigade will have you believe. Conversely by not competing doesn't mean you are egoless!

[TheRogueMonk]

@marcoski711 yes competition is not bad its okay as long as no one gets hurt.. i mean if someone wants to compete in aikido its great but i really hope it does not take away the non competition view inside the dojo... its one thing to train for peace and harmony .. as long as people do that they get the benefit of aikidos path regardless of if they do compete or not. the idea is not that people should not compete but they should train for self improvement and self disc

[Ronnock]

@888binis888 If you can't apply in an dynamic and stressful situation, then you'll never be able to utilize the skills you're being taught. End of story.

[jonny9191]

@888binis888 There is no competition? what about in O senseis earlier years when he used to go into other clubs and test his skills that sounds like competition to me. Also There are several styles of what is called traditional aikido as, as O sensei got older he got more chilled out so different styles within this. Also how do you know techniques work if you dont test them on an uncooperative opponent?

[888binis888]

@jonny9191i agree there are several styles of aikido,Its true that some of O-senseis students had the right to evolve aikido in many different styles combined with many different ideas according to each ones individuality.Now,i believe that aikido is not self defence.It is an art.It definately gives you the potential to defend yourself but it still is an art.We as humans living in a society,especially western societies,are used to competition in politics,religion,social status...Isn't working.

[TheRogueMonk]

@888binis888 this is tomikki aikido which does have competition in it.. it was a student of aikido in ancient times making this one.

[TheRogueMonk]

@888binis888 i just want to say that competition makes things much harder then what we learn in traditional aikido .. it is hard not to get into stupid situations like that.. therefore it is mostly better to know judo or karate or juijitsu for competitions like this.. only true masters of aikido would be able to fend of these kinds of atack with grace in my opinion... btw the aikido the ai in aikido is important regarldess of people want to follow teachings or not.. ai is the harmony and is imp

[EasternLegacy]

@888binis888 Tomiki Aikido is the only form of Aikido that has competition.

[Derukugi2]

@888binis888

This is Tomiki Aikido, and they do have competitions.

[str8bigr1]

U always hear cops saying they have used it on the field & it saved their life. Lets face it 4 T/most part cops are not in T/same type of encounters as a regular civilian. Lots of factors that play into that like the gun, pr24, nonleathel weap., backup, a dog, ass kicking now & later behind bars, most importantly T/extensive amount of prison time 4 assaulting a cop

[lazyshoggy]

@str8bigr1

Cops use art to save their life. Competitors use "art" to win a piece of metal, a title and a reputation. The goal isn't the same, the way to practice isn't the same either. Cops protect themselves first (which is the priority in any real martial art). Competitors of any sportive martial art practice the better way to take advantage of the rules, to have the better chances to win the competition. How many times would all those champions have die if that was real fights ??

[lazyshoggy]

@str8bigr1 Just look at 0:45 : the "defender" has the "knife" just close to his face during several seconds, but he doesn't try to control the knife, just to drop his opponent . Just stupid in a real fight ! Same at 4:35, he just doesn't care about the knife and continues as if it was nothing ...

Then look at 2:20 or 3:55 for example : the defender just throw himself right on the knife, even if the attacker is ready to stab. It's suicide!

[TheKus]

@lazyshoggy this is a bit of a problem that has been seen. As soon as there are rules implicated, it no longer becomes a fight, it becomes a game. Tomiki Sensei designed Randori as a means to improve Aikido, some of the competition randori seems to promote skills to win a match rather than application of good Aikido.

So your point is very good, and this is coming from a Tomiki Aikido practitioner.

[lazyshoggy]

@TheKus I understand that randori can be an effective way to improve your aikido. I don't know what Tomiki sensei was thinking about exactly, but I think that he made the bad choice. What not just propose to other dojos (or even other martial arts ?) to make disinterested randori ? why do we need competitions with ranking, medals, advertising, money and all ? When I see what have become judo with all the corruption, drug use, etc ... I can't help but think that way can finally corrupt every art.

[TheGLOWINTHEDARK2010]

Awful music...

Pitiful techniques...

Boring exhibition of nothing...

Absolutely nothing of Aiki...

By the way,

And what the heck it is on their hands of those guys?? A big dildo????

Are they really trying to fight with a big rubber pennis????

[lazyshoggy]

It's quite strange ... I don't ptactice aikido for long but the first thing we are told is to keep safe, and see after that if we can do something or not. On this video, sometimes the "defender" just rush himself on the knife, the other has nothing to do ...

[Ronnock]

Why is the knife so...(excuse my language) dildo-like? I mean, a shiv or a knife in a "real" situation is going to be so much more subtle. Why doesn't Tomiki have a Randori knife competition that involves using a much smaller and more subtle "knife"? Wouldn't it be better to use a washable crayola marker? This way, it's harder to notice and it can leave a mark where it has landed and you'll definitely know whether you were hit or not.

[marcoski711]

@Ronnock, @lazyshoggy, @str8bigr1. The rules are very prescribed, eg style of knife attack, to get forward movement/some energy work with/differentiate it from judo/reduce amount of jigotai etc. They're not for realism and no-one i know deludes themselves that randori is knife-fight simulation. It's that dildo shape so it does less damage if you get someone in the eye (compared to the usual training knives), but yeah, it is odd first time you see it.

[Ronnock]

@marcoski711 Then what is the point of competing in real-time if the intention isn't to train armed vs. unarmed combat? That sounds like it would be a waste of my time. Time is precious, why consume it with under false pretenses?

[Derukugi2]

@Ronnock

Because this "knife" is made of flexible material and bends when they have a hit. What would you prefer.... real knifes`?

[Ronnock]

@Derukugi2 there are suitable training knives that are perfectly safe and certainly way more "knife-like" than this dildo-esque thing here, heheh.

[Derukugi2]

@Ronnock

What`s in a dildo? The prettyness of your toy is really not relevant for training. Besides, as others have pointed out, pointy-ended things can be dangerous for the eyes, even if made of rubber.

[Ronnock]

@Derukugi2 Who the hell slashes at the eyes? I've never seen a knife fight occur like that, heheh. Besides the disarms are only going to be as effective as realistic as the knife is. All's I'm sayin'.

[Ronnock]

@Derukugi2 Honestly, you all should be competing (especially with the amount of funds that those kinds of organizations can accumulate) with the electric blades...the ones that will shock the shit outta you when it grazes you...to simulate a feeling of getting slashed. This way, you'll truly know if what you're doing is valid or not.

[Derukugi2]

@Ronnock

About "competing" that is a different topic, and not suitable for 500-character Youtube comments.

About the "shape of the knife" I think you are silly. Who are you to prescribe an attacker with what shape of knife to attack you? You sound like Jim Carey in his classic Karate self-defense clip "You attacked me wrongly". Google for it.

In the event, I´d find a womens competition with dildos rather cool. :-)

[Ronnock]

@Derukugi2 Well, unless I happen to piss off a pornstar on the set, I seriously doubt I'll ever be confronted with a device that looks even remotely like this.

And I can concur with your last statement. And that was a good skit.

[sadipuff]

That woman's yelling is so damn annoying.

[TheGLOWINTHEDARK2010]

@sadipuff Absolutely I agree.

[misogi0]

Aikido Competition: OXIMORON

[mnhugh]

these guys suck, this isnt aikido

[afreiden]

Also, they're both blackbelts.. watch a video of two bjj blackbelts going at it and it is very unimpressive as well. Are leg sweeps not used in aikido/not allowed in this competition?

[afreiden]

I don't do aikido, but this is actually one of the best aikido videos I've seen. If they practice with this intensity regularly, then I have no doubt that they could defend themselves against a real attack from an untrained person. Real fights aren't pretty, and I think most people realize this in this day and age.

[LuvlyVirus]

im so good at aikido...they call me a genius

first day i went there i got a white belt!.....im so good...

[jarelgran]

Don´t call this shit aikido please.

[jarelgran]

Triste que tengamos que estar siempre compitiendo.

[kijokentaijitsu]

is there such thing as tomiki randori?

[Tawalisi]

I counted 100 stabs/slash already..This is stupid.

[shotojojo1986]

It just looks like bad ippon Shobu...lol

[TENGMAN2]

as far as i know this tomiki and sa doing competition. they have kata training with this competition style training.

[TENGMAN2]

many non competition aikido sensei's ways are just dancing but understand since there is no place to try sceriously. sadly they are traing no effective ways many many years. however tomiki has competition at least they know what is real what is not works. This should be better than anything as learning way of Aikido. if you think o sensei said something and just keeping dancing that's a just a stupid trainings. Wasting time.

[axle4896]

The founder left only one book in wich is written"Aïkido is Irimi and Atemi"....

Do i have to say more??

[kaixing25]

i think this is a good example to illustrate how difficult it can be to execute a aikido technique whether it may be a kotegaishi or kokyunage on a live resisting uke. many aikido school can benefit from incorporating this kind of exercise into their training regime.

[TheInvd]

Sorry, no real Aikido...Aikido has no competitions, it's against the idea of Aikido

[tomikikai]

Tomiki,Shodokan,Shidokan does have competitions. It is only a part of the system. After 34 years of practice I think the its not aikido has been done to death. Tomiki's thoughts were if young people became interested through the competition, over time the deeper aspects of aikido could be studied.. This is just another way to climb the mountain

[TheInvd]

I accept that, but I respectfully annotate, that O'Sensei did not like the idea of competitions. And I don't see any advantage in this concept, especially if young folks come to a dojo because of competitions and that kind of thinking. But, of course, it is not against the idea of budo, so it should be accepted...

[loopyloobylou89]

no skill???these are 2 of the best guys at aikido in the UK!!

I wish people would give shodokan aikido a shot before critising it...it's like saying 'I don't like oranges' without having tried any.

[colmtrim]

i practise shodokan aikido,,,,,i love it,,,but this is a waste of time,,,,nothing happens at all,,,,two men fighting over a toy

[UOldwood]

Thanks, I agree ... they have no sense of using distance. Too much wrestling with strength.

[colmtrim]

this is wrestling while standing up,,,tomiki aikido works with a real life, genuine attack,,,where the "uke" is not expecting to be unbalanced, ,

[dooyeweerd]

No sense of using distance??? You've got to be kidding? I'd be willing to bet they'd pick you off in no time at all. What an utterly ignorant comment.

You sound like people who think Judo players are doing nothing as they stand there struggling to get the advantage. It's too technical for them to understand.

There's no way you have fought even one round of shodokan aikido otherwise you'd be more informed and less ignorant.

[UOldwood]

Not skillful enough, too strengthy. And I doubt that they are two of the best. The rules helped them. Please look at it yourself before saying they are the best. In that close distance... it is not aiki distance anymore, it is judo distance. The basic concept of aikido , KEEP THE DISTANCE APART.

And no one is saying shodokan is no good , just these two men are wasting time!

[brijseeker]

It's turning into a point system! I'm taking that it's suppose to be Mune Tsuki attack?Don't see no Kotegaeshi, Shiho Nage's, Sankyo's, kokyu Nage's! I think it's not what aikido is all about. weapons in the hands of attackers should not last on them, where's the disarming?

[ChuShinTani]

Good video.

Marco, if that's your girlfriend yelling, I feel sorry for you. I can't imagine what it's like around the house when she wants you to do something! Haha!

[ntbcbilly]

Aikido is meant to be passive. If it's going to be used in situations like this they have to be combined with Karate or Judo.

Some schools do do this. Yoseikan, for example.

MMA is a sport.

[japanNuke]

what's the girl screaming...?

[patrino]

This is the closest thing to resistance that any Aikido clubs do, so the Tomiki associations should be admired for this. Although seeing a lack of techniques being executed makes me wonder. Any aikidokas out there, please can we have your feedback on why techniques in these videos dont seem to be happening.

[ChadMaestro]

It's really quite simple, because clean Aikido techniques do not work in the way that these tournaments want them to. In a fight like this or in the street Aikido is applicable only if you can throw in a punch/kick/temi to throw them off guard, that's not to say Aikido does not work but coming from me who studies Aikido, it only truly works when you have no rules, and you're allowed to eye gouge someone.

[Eikinkloster]

" it only truly works when you have no rules, and you're allowed to eye gouge someone."

that's wishful thinking. all we really know about the effectiveness of styles in eye gouging allowed fights is the reports from such actual events. aside from that, we're left with mma, the closest viable way to match styles. and then you just don't see aikido.

correction, there is a video here where someone did see two aikido looking moves. and they were cool and effective, i have to admit.

[colmtrim]

I'm a policeman for the past 16 years,clean Aikido techniques work, u dont get a fancy breakfall from the result, there is no need for eye gouging or anything like that if you know what u are doing

[ChadMaestro]

Yes, I agree with you 100%. What I am saying is that you need an attack with intent in order to recycle the energy. Tournaments like this do not give that to you because both people are trying to perform a defensive technique on each other.

Aikido does work, but not when you don't have a strike or anything to work with. Which is what Aikido teaches us a lot of: Why go up to someone and do something when there is no threat.

[colmtrim]

this is why I dont see the point of Aikido competition,,two men wrestling on their feet,,looks like two kids fighting over a toy

[ChadMaestro]

That guy really looks like he's holding a dildo in his hand, maybe that's what they're wrestling over?

[neko2808]

Please don't tell any bullshit. Did you ever use aikido in a REAL conflict situation? A situation where the attack is far from the clean attack you get on training? What I see on this video ist taht if he was holding a real knife, the other guy would be dead. Is that a technique that works? Works for suicide, for sure...

[colmtrim]

I have used Aikido in a real physical situation,,works a treat,,this video does nothing for Aikido in general

[ChadMaestro]

Applications of Aikido are still easily able to be used, such as leading, moving out the way, etc etc. It's a great art to learn because it teaches a lot about distance, movement, etc - things that can be put into application, but you will rarely find a clean cut kote gaishi done in the street.

[Eikinkloster]

" why techniques in these videos dont seem to be happening."

they don't happen because they don't work on non compliant partners. simple as that.

[FightingWarrior]

EXACTLY, well said

[tenshinage77]

Your dealing with two skilled people. Everything can be countered somewhere. New ideas are coming in all the time. Big changes are happening in japan right now. People are looking at things and saying why wont this work when i do this he stops it. As a thinking uke you will be feeling ways out. Its a game of chess. someone has to make a mistake. But once hes made it hes learned and he wont get thrown so easy next time. On an unskilled man you will get the throw alot easier.

[marcoski711]

@patrino "why techniques in these videos dont seem to be happening" It is mostly the equal level so we cancel each other out, but in addition we've trained together loads in Mosside Manchester (great club by the way) so we know each other's techniques, and also competed together several times. One time I was going for too many big throws and got countered nicely, and I didn't want that to happen again on this particular day!

[TheRogueMonk]

@marcoski711 you are probably better then me in manyways but i want to say taht aikido does not work like judo you must make ma ai and create a chance for uke or nage to attack properly .. you gusy keep getting into each other and then there is no wonder you cant do any techniques.. for this closeness you must know judo or jujutsu or something like that.. aikido is not about this close .

[superesonator]

@patrino

I am not seeing any techniques. No Sabaki, no irimi. Just some fumbling.

Aikido is more than a list of techniques, it is calmly standing your ground against attack and

utilizing the precise moment to turn it. Aikido techniques are related to sword work, reflected in Kamae(posture), ma-ai (distance) chushinryoku (balance)and zanshin (still alertness.) These are not merely flourishes, they are the substance. Tomiki people, come to Japan and train with style.

[superesonator]

I see big clumbsy white people,

[TheRogueMonk]

@patrino the problem or maybe it snot a prob pr say in tomiki is what actually ironically might be keeping them down in competition and its a lack of the motion and flow in ki.. i think that if you see the tomiki way of training its very gotai or i mean very static and that is counter productive in competition lol.. am i not right? .. i know it can be good in many cases and better then traditional aikido for combat but still.. if you have no motion how can you sucseed in a motion full battle

[bop98png]

Last post from me! - stating the obvious; but its really hard to pull off a perfect, clean cut aikido technique on an "informed attacker". Just because its hard; should we not try? My video (shodokan UK Open 2008) is a highlight reel from a competition where kyu and dan grades competed together and there are no weight categories. If you like my video response, great (Christian catches me with some sweet techniques!). If you don't, no worries - we all have our own preferences.

[colmtrim]

I fly fish too!!!!!!!!!!

[bop98png]

Randori introduces unpredictability and non-compliance into aikido movement (but both people co-operate to the extent that they agree to keep to specific rules). The armed attacker tries to stay on balance (and will pull their arm in after an unsuccessful attempt). This is the point, not - "This is a realistic street fight scenario". If you are wanting self defence applications, they are there. It would just add to the whole gamut of MMA options.

[bop98png]

Hi, my background; 20 years' judo experience, about 2.5 years Shodokan (Tomiki) aikido, a little boxing, a little BJJ. I've posted a video compilation from this year's Open competition. There were both Embu (kata) demonstrations (to illustrate the essence of particular techniques and movement) as well as Randori. I think most people misunderstand Randori. As Marco rightly says, its also easy for equally matched aikidoka to cancel each other out.

[sadbutbenji]

what a joke.

[sawdoctor130]

I have been practising tomiki aikido for about 12 years and i love it,,,I think that randori competition is like two men wrestling while standing up, it looks appalling and has none of the skills of tomiki aikido,, you do not get a genuine attack, aikido works when the attack has real intent,,I am a policeman for the past 16 years and have used aikido to defend myself a few times,,in competition the person with the knife knows whats coming and spoils the technique

[tgnrogue]

That is true but it is the closest thing you can usually, safely, get to a real fight in the dojo environmeant as they are allowed to actively resist te techniques, so if you can do it against someone who is trained and knows whats is coming, and how to counter it then against someone who doesnt know whats coming it will be easier, as the saying goes "Train hard, Fight easy".

[markaval]

This isn't training for anything other than wrestling over a rubber dildo! Sawdoctor is spot on when he says that aikido works best against real intent. Aikido is about finishing - usually with one technique, not faffing around for ten minutes. Randori limited to certain techniques too which makes the whole affair even more pointless. Might as well just have a fight because this is not aikido.

[tgnrogue]

My initial point is that if you can apply one of the basic principle technoques of Aikido against a trained attacker who is actively allowed to resist and counter, when you come to needing to do it for real, you are used to hvaing had actual resistance used rather than the standard Kakarigeiko style training i have seen usually used in most clubs, the you attack i maniplualte & throw/pin , as it isn't guaranteed that you will always be facing an untrained assailant, very rare but not impossible.

[tgnrogue]

I do however agree that having only the basic 17 Randori No Kata techniques avaliable for use is not entirely practicle but I do like the idea of having a form of resistance based training being taught, as havning had to use Aikido on an attaker who resisted in an almost aiki/trained manner I believe it has some merit as a training aid, I am of a similar mind about actual competition I just like the methods of teaching to expect to be resisted an/or countered so as to be prepared just incase.

[markaval]

the hardest thing to learn in aikido is to relax. It doesn't take strength to do ANY technique if the principles are right. By doing randori from day one in Tomiki too many bad habits are formed. Randori is high level - many so-called 4th/5th/6th dans don't do it properly so having kyu grades attempt it arguably does more harm than good.Slow it right down - can you throw me from static if I'm in rock solid posture? Forget speed, that comes in time, forget medals - not important in the beginning.

[marcoski711]

sawdoctor, I obviously disagree about the skill in this - it's just harder to see here cos we are about the same level and cancel each other out. There's also loads of skill in wrestling too. But some dojos I visit when they say 'real attack' they mean 'over-committed' attack. In your 'few times' using it do people really over-commit so badly they almost fall over trying to attack someone?

[sawdoctor130]

in reference to the few times I have had to use Aikido at work people certainly do not over commit, but the last thing they expect is to have their balance taken and used against them,,,in tomiki competition the "attacker" is expecting to be pulled off balance and behaves accordingly when attacking,when i say real attack i mean real

[sawdoctor130]

to me, real attack means that somebody is genuinely trying to do damage,,,,you are obviously not goin to get this in a dojo

[colmtrim]

i do not see one piece of skill in this video,,its like two men fighting over a toy.

[Makikomi24]

My take. Two contestants, each one with a pre-determined attack; similar to Olympic gymnastics, ice skating..

Option A- Defender knows the attack, score based on how well he defends the attack.

Option B- the defender does not know the attack, but, is scored on how well he successfully defends the attack.

Round 1= Attacker A's turn

Round 2= Attacker B's turn

Round 3= Tie breaker

The level of technical difficulty is used to determine the score for attacker and defender.

[FunForTheFuture]

Right, I'll have come and train then. Laters! Got a few fings lined up.

[pepitho]

ridículo, penoso

[zhou1992]

Okay... this is gay. Why not take something useful like Judo?

[frogleg13]

UMM You should Think before you speak.. This is Judo Based Aikido... The Goshin Jitsu is in action in front of you now.. in a cleaner, more flexable form, the basic 17.

(Wow without going into the fact that judo, jitsu, and Aiki are from the same tree)...

[zhou1992]

Who gives a fuck if they are from the same tree... Aikido just fucking sucks... It's fucking dancing.

[frogleg13]

LOL sucked for you when your Ignorance was shown huh....

[zhou1992]

No, and Aikido still fucking sucks.

[marcoski711]

Err, I guess so, although I dont know much about scoring in kumite. Knife-guy gets 1 point for a prescriptive attack that hits. If it's not clean, or he has poor posture, etc it's half a point. Throws score 1, 2 or 4 points depending on quality. eg 1 point for just balance breaker, 4 points for a lush throw. There was only 1 x 1-point balance breaker awarded in this fight (at 3:45). Does that answer your Q?

[shotojojo2005]

Is this simular to Karate ipon fight?You know like point fighting Im assuming.