If it's illegal there will be a black market on it. If people want an abortion, the law WILL NOT stop them. The abortion pills will become black market, doctors and non doctors will see people privately in the comforts of their own home to remove the baby using current legal methods. For the sake of the common welfare, let the people who want abortions get them the safe way.
I applaud u for stating your point of view! You are a very smart woman. I totally agree, from a religious standpoint, all ppl do not share the same religious beliefs, so 1 particular group should not be able to make a choice for the majority. Every woman should have the right to choose.
Abortion is the murdering of an innocent person, of course it should be illegal. "Delicate issue"? Killing a child is not delicate, it's purely diabolical.
Well, it is not the matter of being overpoppulated, i guess... it is a fact in my country that mothers actually throw their babies into rivers to die because abortion is illegal and they have to get rid of the child after they are born.
Should women who want to steal from others have the legal right to do so? No, because their doing so hurts someone else. Same thing with abortion: women have no right to abort the life of a baby because it involves hurting...and indeed, killing...someone else. No one has a right to do that. The right to life is the most important right of all.
i can not agree more with you. What happens is that here in Brazil, even when the baby has a serious disease or it is to be born brainless, it is not legal to end the pregnancy. So the mother suffers anyways, you see. thanks for your comment.
Very interesting point. Although i have to say: eagle eggs are not yours to take. A pregnant woman has the child in her...like i said - i would never have an abortion - but i just cant help but think of the women who would like to have one and can´t. And no, it is not a matter of religion: you can be religious or not - and have an abortion or not: just because it is available does not mean you have to have it. thanks for your comment, very interesting.
Dolores O'Riordan: Lead Vocalist, The Cranberries:
"It's not good for women to go through the procedure [abortion] and have something living sucked out of their bodies. It belittles women. Even though some women say, 'Oh, I don't mind to have one,' every time a woman has an abortion, it just crushes her self-esteem smaller and smaller and smaller."
I could not agree more, abortion is a serious procedure that breaks anyone´s spirit. What i am discussing here is that this should be a choice - just because you have a choice to so it, does not mean you will. thanks for your comment, very interesting.
I have studied moral theology and Choice needs an object either good or bad; it isn't a moral standard of itself. "Choice" in the case of abortion is really just a Euphemism.
Also you may what to look up what Alveda King has to say on the suject and Margret Sanger and Eugenics. Also there is HUMANAE VITAE writen by Paul VI in 1969 its very Prophetic. He went on to say if we adopt a Contraceptive mentality, abortions would increase as would divorce rates, he was sadly right
Thank you very much for your well balanced video. You summed whats freedom of choice is about. Hope the women in your country have that one day. Wow is when an extopic pregnancy accurs?
Thank you for your comment, i am glad to share my thoughts and make it a healthy discussion. I am not sure what was the question you asked though - could you rephrase it? thanks!
Sorry, I remembered it wrong. If a woman in El Salvadore, Malta, Chile, Columbia or Nicaragua has an extopic pregnancy she has to wait until thier felopian tube bursts. But not in Brazil.
As a man (sort of!)I don't really feel entitled to an opinion on something like abortion, as I cannot appreciate what it must be like to be in that situation. I think, however, your position is the only rational position any reasonable person could take. Very good video.
Thank you so much for your comment, it is a real breath of fresh air from a guy to say that. Most guys think they "own" their woman thus they "should have" power over them. Thank you for sharing your thoughts with me.
From the prolife, and Catholic, point of view it is not about women beable to choose...its about if one human should be allowed to end the life of another human. Since you are a Catholic i suggest you ask your local priest or religiouse educator to explain it better.
You cant be both against and for abortion...thats like saying i personally wouldnt rape anyone but i wont say its not ok for someone else to...do you want to legalize rape because it will happen....
Actually abortion is legal in every state in the US. It is a federal law. Whether or not a woman will be able to gain access in certain places is another issue...
Well, i think the access should be for every woman. I guess in Brazil we are still crawling in laws like that. Just yesterday it was on the news a woman threw her new born baby into a river...so sad!
Like you, I don't like abortion, but I think it should be legal, but I think that women have to take the baby into consideration, and not just see this issue as "my choice", because it's not as simples as that.
It's your choice if you want to get plastic surgery or something, but it's different when your choice involves anothers life, or potential life...
thank you so much for your comment, the great thing about it is that we can discuss this matter agreeing to dissagree. i guess everyone has a particular opinion about abortion, and yours is another great view, thanks for your comment :)
I share some of your sentiments about the issue... but I think you are wrong when you say that people opose abortion because they think that women can't chose. People opose abortion because the mother is making a choice that has less to do with her life than it has to do with the new life tha tis growing inside her.
my view is similar I guess. I believe abortion should be heavily regulated, but not banned. abortions are greatly misused, around 90% of abortions are not for medical, rape, or incestuous reasons. abortion is a moral issue, not a legal one.
On the flip side of the women's issue: sometimes people will abort a fetus because it is female and not male. I agree with you that women of the 21st century are indeed educated, intelligent, informed, and should be treated as such.
thank you for your comment on such important and delicate matter. your points are very well made and i agree that every case is a different case. That is why it should be a matter of choice. thank you again for making this discussion richer.
Rephrasing my last comment: I see laws in countries as being from a larger source than people. Some laws reflect the will of God. Some persons may not be able to judge if or not to have an abortion. And then God is to be considered that He is in control and knows best for the child. God is who saved the child the woman tried to drown. Respectfully Yours! Carlton
Maybe this was already said, but abortion has been legal in the States since 73. No State is currently allowed to outlaw abortion. We are trying to get that changed. Abortion is murder. It can't be tolerated.
Everyone has the right to have an opinion and im not here to say if it is right or wrong. Im just saying that whoever wants to have one, should be able to without any outside interference. Thanks for your comment.
And what I'm saying is that the existance of the human being inside the mother is not an opinion. No woman has a right to kill her children whatever that child's age is. By allowing abortion, we're making an exception.
And in order to rationalize that exception, we're coming up with arbitary criteria for when that human life has value and doesn't have. But no one can agree because they're all so illogical that if drawn out completely to their conclusions. If the child's life has no value, than its illogical to have any personal opinion against abortion.
I hear and respect your opinion. Although we may not agree, i can see that you are a very respecful person and treats this matter with ideals and values. Im not here to say im for abortion. Im for choice. Like i said, i personally would not have an abortion. Ever.
But i think that you cant turn your face away from another person who needs it somehow, if it is a personal matter, i totally agree with you. It is also a social and political matter. So if anyone should eve decide it is the mother, society could and should not decide for her. thank you again for your comment and having a healthy discussion here with me.
Would you say the same thing if we were talking about infanticide? Can not the same circumstances that a woman finds herself in during a pregnancy occur after her child is born? What on earth makes this any different?
you see, Angela, we had very sad news recently about a mother who tried to throw her newborn baby girl ina river to drown. The baby lucky got rescued by some beggars who heard the poor child crying. of course it is murder. but my point is: this women didnt want the child from te get go. and abortion is not legal here. should this women be a mother at all?
should we allow this so called human being to give birth when all she will do is murder her own baby? you see what i mean? im not for abortion, but how else could we possibly protect a unbrn child from a mother like this?
Hi Kopkitty, The Mother who tried to throw her newborn baby into the river to drown: by your story that child was rescued by the beggars. I prefer to think that God intervened. God is larger than our choice, and even unwanted babies are under His soverign, watchful eye. Also your story shows that the mother tried to throw the baby away. Should such people as her be allowed to make a decision to have an abortion? Is she qualified to make that decision? I appreciate the Video
hey, i agree with you. We both believe in God, as far as i know. What about atheists? soldnt they be able to choose? Maybe i should go deeper and show you the orphanats here in my city, it will turn over your stomach. Im not trying to convice you or anything because most of all i believe in freedom of thought. It is just too much to see so many abandoned children :( thanks for your comment.
Thank You Kopkitty. It then still is an issue of right and wrong. Also, abortion was brought to the US by activist judges' decicion and not majority vote or by congress. So it was not the majority will of Amercans that it was made law. I would ask also, the orphans; do any grow up to lead meaningful lives? Everyone was once a tiny being; should we, who were once in this helpless state, make decisions to stop the life of another who is in this defenseless state?
I know this is completely off topic but for not speaking English as as your first language and growing up in Brasil you speak English really well. I'm impressed. Wish my mom could learn...
Well thank you so much Andrew, i am honored to know that i can comunicate well in english, i make such an effort not to make too many mistakes, so i thank you very much for your kind comment! :)
they were VERY helpful, because it is kinda what i think about it. The only thing i disagree with is that it should be a "yes" for unwanted. If the child is unwanted, what vil destiny waits for it? But hey thanks anyways, it was a very very good comment and info, thanks so much!
My view on abortion? Abortion 4 a woman is a terrible occurrence and it has a devastating effect on every woman's psyche, unless she's really a psychopath who cannot feel anything. A fetus in a woman's womb KNOWS it's "mother" is going 2 kill it and it's dead scared. I guess, it is all very good 4 women who never had an abortion or women who know they cannot have children or psychopathic women 2 talk in favor of it. Thanx. Bye.
kop - Strict guidelines should be established on exact circumstances in which a woman may be able to have an abortion performed. Here in the United States, there was comprehensive survey conducted by "Zogby International." And another poll taken on specifics of circumstances on when an abortion might be performed. Below is that poll and survey.
wow thanks for the information, that is great to know. The thing is that we can´t really compare the US with Brazil. Here you see abandoned children all over, in praticly every corner. And they are miserable, with no home, no food and barely any clothing.
I keep imagining who were their cruel moms who took off and left their children at drugs, abuse and robbery chances. So that is why i am for the women´s choice. Women who dont agree should get it. I think it is better to stop a pregnancy then to leave a baby at destiny´s ugly chance in the middle of the streets.
I'm pro-choice and most Americans are but everyone is in favor of finding the right way to reduce the number of abortions. We need to empower young women. No woman on earth actually *wants* to have one if they can avoid pregnancy in the first place.
The debate should be a competition over how to help young women, not how to punish them.
So you and I agree with you completely, kopkitty, and there is a LOT that everyone agrees on. Politicians should focus on that.
All around the world their are young women in thousands of terrible situations. I don't want to list them all because the list is depressing. I invite the wealthy to adopt all the children in foster homes, all the children who live in the streets, all of the children whose mother's are too stoned to notice them, but even if they did, adopted children will always wish that their parents were their "real" mom and dad.
Hi KK. Difficult subject, eh? Sadly, single issues like this have destroyed rational politics here in the US. Would you agree that abortion is mainly an issue of poverty? I lot of women here I have questioned about this said they had one because of their economic situation. Some just wanted to be promiscuous without the responsability of the aftermath.
Hey, thanks for your comment. It is indeed a difficult subject, but for whatever reason, women have to be able to choose for themselves...the reason why is their own and not of my business. And well, maybe i wouldnt see many children abandoned on the streets if abortion was available for poor moms to be.
You should tell Pres. Lula to stop being such a pansy (whats the Portugese word for a castrated bull?) and dump the IMF and go with development policies like Pres. Kirchner in Argentina. 8) More economic development means less poverty. If the South American continent was developed, you would find there would be a real shortage of people. Everyone is needed.
i could not agree with you more! Lula seems to be on duty for his own agenda, not his countrie´s. Meanwhile, its the people here who suffer. Oh well! Thanks for your input and opinions, a very healthy discussion :)
...My grandma once told me 'theres never a right time for a baby,they come when they come and are a blessing from god!'..Thanks KopKitty for an other interesting and informative video! xxx
I have mixed views on the whole taboo of Abortion! i think every person should have the choice whether or whether not to create a new life! I agree with what you say about 'supermarket abortions' ,in the uk many women get these done! What i dont agree with is abortions going over the 12 weeks of pregnancy! I personally would never have an abortion,unless the baby had a terrible medical condition so i would be given no choice......
i understand, very good point...and i think it is only natural to have mixed views about abortion, because it i such a delicate topic. thanks for your comment!
What a hard topic to discuss, so many people have their different views. I love how you went about it here. I myself believe it's a woman's choice. Would I have one, no. Would I want that choice taken from me though. No.
Hey Ray, i share your concearn, but we have to thinkabout the people who dont even believe in God... who will stand for them? How can their choice be respected?
(1/4) I'm very much impressed with your bravery. I wouldn't touch this topic with a ten foot pole. That said, I agree with you. People who think they are better suited to make other people's choices than those people themselves are a problem, not least because they're usually wrong. I've even heard of some who try to relieve fellow adults of the burden of deciding what language register to use in order to convey what particular sentiment! -
(2/4) I wonder if my mother actually decided to have me, or if she found the whole ordeal of getting a permission too difficult. I know for a fact that my conception was entirely accidental (and I believe, though I'm not sure, that both my mother and my father were married to other partners at the time). I know for a fact that for sixteen years, my mother was tied to a man whom she loathed;
The answer is clear. Here is the question that most will avoid but will ring rational clarity. When you walk into a hospital do you see 1 or 2 hallways? 1 hallway has the word premature ward, saving babies born 4 months-7 months and the other hallway is having abortions. Which hallway is life?
(3/4) I know that for a decade of my life she told me over and over that my existence was the cause of all her unhappiness. I remember how we brought her clothes when she was in detox; how she had that frightful accident when she, drunk, drove to fetch me from my friend's birthday party, injuring that other innocent man; how she tried to drown herself; how she slid her wrists... The question is this: If she has chosen to have me, well,
(4/4) that was stupid, but what are you going to do. If, however, she was forced, even implicitly, to have me against her will, she is really a martyr and cannot be blamed for anything. In fact, the responsibility for all that ensued rests then with the people who took the choice away from her. I wonder if they would accept it. - By the way, it was extremely cool to see you angry for once!
Im touched you shared such personal story with us, my friend. It is very dear to me how you share your truth, even on this delicate matter. You made a very strong point on this issue, and i thank you so much fro bringing this clever and reality to the subject.
Yes, people should mind their own business anyways. I have no right whatsoever to determin another person´s religion, politic view, diet, place they should live and how they should live their lifes. I think what is most difficult to understand is that you may not agree with somebody´s certain personal choice - but that cannot be helped and each individual is entitled to an opinion and thus personal freedom.
Hi Kopkitty 1st please do not swear no matter how angry you get. 2nd All Life is Sacred many people learn this as they grow older. Also you do have bible
principles yourself this shows in your video's which are a plesure to watch.
hey Ray, sorry i got angry. Some matters do stir me in ways i cannot control. I do agree life is sacred. i am defending the right for women to have a choice. Like i said, i dont want to phorbid anybody from having an abortion because what i believe. I should respect their beliefs as well. Thanks for watching.
i think the reason that the right to this "choice" is still debatable is that some people see abortion as taking a life. just like we can't "choose" to murder someone, we can't "choose" to take the life of a developing baby. i don't know if the woman's ability to choose on her own is why its debated. what do you think?
here in my country i heard this question and i got angry "should women decide". As a citizen, i want women to decide, i dont want to have this choice taken away from me or any other women. Plus, if it is taking a life or not, it is the mother´s choice - because of despair, this woman will eventually manage to perform an abortion anyways, so why not protect the life of the mother first? Thanks for your comment, very insightful.
i understand what you are saying, but if you believe life starts at conception should there not be laws protecting that life? not necessarily a religious belief but a moral ethical belief.
I do believe life starts at conception, but there are people who don´t. Even then, a mother who gives birth to an unwanted child often abuses the child and even abandon it... so the life protected in the beggining is abused and wasted later. So this part of population should be able to stop an unwanted pregnangy if they should decide it. Personally, i wouldnt.
Abortion is legal in all states in the US. Although I am not Catholic, I am a Christian and have my own view on this matter. However, I believe it is the individual's choice and in the States the view on abortion is becoming a 'hot topic' again, especially with the upcoming elections in 2008. The line between politics and the 'hardline religion right' is blurring the once respected seperation between church and state. We are going backwards, not forward in the US.
i do believe in individual choice and the right to have it. I appreciate your comment and hope the whole world can see this issue about separating politics and religion with respect and understanding.
Actually abortion is legal everywhere the United States. Some states and cities have regulations making it harder to get abortions and regulations about how/when an abortion can be performed but that's about it.
I pretty much agree with what you're sayin here, I wish people were smarter about having sex so that abortions were not necessary but since that will never be a reality I think women should definitely have the right to chose what they want to do for themselves.
On a side note, I think its pretty brave of you to make a video on this topic though, it can be really controversial sometimes and it has a tendency for getting people really worked up. I'm glad you're not scared to speak your mind!
Thanks B. Indeed people get angry even talking about this topic. My intentions however, are not to get people angry, but just to express my thoughts. I am aware that many people disagree with me, and they will recieve much respect from me as well as the people who agree with me.
I did not know that B, i thought abortion was illegal in some states, thanks so much for clearing that up for me... and thank you for your comment, very well said.
I agree with you very much. I do not believe in abortion although I think it is somebody's personal choice. Here in America, our country was founded on the idea of separation of church and state, but the sad truth is, religion and politics are getting more and more intertwined.
thanks G. I agree with your comment entirely. Sadly here in Brazil people also mix up religion and politics...when the state should be neutral...thanks for your comment, i could not have put it better!
I understand where your coming from with the issue of Abortion. I've just recently seen it all over the news also. It is a very delicate issue with some, and good on you for giving your views.
What if I tell you that rape is a man's choice?
excelmaster7 1 year ago
Look at what the abortion "choice" is:
Center for Bio-Ethical Reform website.
catburger1000 2 years ago
If it's illegal there will be a black market on it. If people want an abortion, the law WILL NOT stop them. The abortion pills will become black market, doctors and non doctors will see people privately in the comforts of their own home to remove the baby using current legal methods. For the sake of the common welfare, let the people who want abortions get them the safe way.
distroya9 2 years ago
@distroya9 Then you can also have legalised rape!!!!!!!!!!!
reviewreviewer1 4 months ago
I applaud u for stating your point of view! You are a very smart woman. I totally agree, from a religious standpoint, all ppl do not share the same religious beliefs, so 1 particular group should not be able to make a choice for the majority. Every woman should have the right to choose.
JazzCeeJ23 2 years ago
you are very pretty and smart, i like you to be my friend if its ok, i really love to watch all your videos!
23argen 2 years ago
Being permitted to vote or permitted to work is nowhere near analogous to being permitted to kill your child.
plg45 2 years ago
"I may not agree with abortion, but I am in favour of it being legal."
Substitue "slavery" for "abortion" and one can see right through your "pro choice" rhetoric.
plg45 2 years ago
Abortion is the murdering of an innocent person, of course it should be illegal. "Delicate issue"? Killing a child is not delicate, it's purely diabolical.
plg45 2 years ago
your English is excellent.
boredkid92 3 years ago
you dont touch eagle eggs cuz there
almost extinct!!!!!!
and humans there overpoppulated!!!!!!!
dragon44999 3 years ago
Well, it is not the matter of being overpoppulated, i guess... it is a fact in my country that mothers actually throw their babies into rivers to die because abortion is illegal and they have to get rid of the child after they are born.
kopkitty 3 years ago
I agree with abortion if it means life and death. But not for anything else.
LifeLibertyLove 3 years ago
thank you for your comment and for your point of view :)
kopkitty 3 years ago
Should women who want to steal from others have the legal right to do so? No, because their doing so hurts someone else. Same thing with abortion: women have no right to abort the life of a baby because it involves hurting...and indeed, killing...someone else. No one has a right to do that. The right to life is the most important right of all.
OmniNorth 3 years ago
i can not agree more with you. What happens is that here in Brazil, even when the baby has a serious disease or it is to be born brainless, it is not legal to end the pregnancy. So the mother suffers anyways, you see. thanks for your comment.
kopkitty 3 years ago
In the US, we are not able to touch eagle eggs or destroy them. If we destroy an eagle egg, we can go to prison.
Yet, we are able to terminate children.
Second, its not a matter of religion, its a matter of killing another person.
If I am not religious, am I able to kill someone?
CatholicBiologist 3 years ago
Very interesting point. Although i have to say: eagle eggs are not yours to take. A pregnant woman has the child in her...like i said - i would never have an abortion - but i just cant help but think of the women who would like to have one and can´t. And no, it is not a matter of religion: you can be religious or not - and have an abortion or not: just because it is available does not mean you have to have it. thanks for your comment, very interesting.
kopkitty 3 years ago
The baby deserves to live, from conception forward, and does not deserve to be killed.
This is morality that transcends and supercedes any one religion.
And where abortion is legal, you are in fact imposing your views on someone else: the baby.
Namely, you are imposing your view that the baby has no innate right to life on the baby, by advocating against laws to protect the baby.
The cost of you imposing your view that the baby should have no right to life results in the murder of the baby.
OmniNorth 3 years ago
Dolores O'Riordan: Lead Vocalist, The Cranberries:
"It's not good for women to go through the procedure [abortion] and have something living sucked out of their bodies. It belittles women. Even though some women say, 'Oh, I don't mind to have one,' every time a woman has an abortion, it just crushes her self-esteem smaller and smaller and smaller."
(Source: You! Magazine, June/July 1996)
teton99 4 years ago
I could not agree more, abortion is a serious procedure that breaks anyone´s spirit. What i am discussing here is that this should be a choice - just because you have a choice to so it, does not mean you will. thanks for your comment, very interesting.
kopkitty 4 years ago
kopkitty
I have studied moral theology and Choice needs an object either good or bad; it isn't a moral standard of itself. "Choice" in the case of abortion is really just a Euphemism.
Also you may what to look up what Alveda King has to say on the suject and Margret Sanger and Eugenics. Also there is HUMANAE VITAE writen by Paul VI in 1969 its very Prophetic. He went on to say if we adopt a Contraceptive mentality, abortions would increase as would divorce rates, he was sadly right
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teton99 4 years ago
Thank you very much for your well balanced video. You summed whats freedom of choice is about. Hope the women in your country have that one day. Wow is when an extopic pregnancy accurs?
21woman 4 years ago
Thank you for your comment, i am glad to share my thoughts and make it a healthy discussion. I am not sure what was the question you asked though - could you rephrase it? thanks!
kopkitty 4 years ago
Sorry, I remembered it wrong. If a woman in El Salvadore, Malta, Chile, Columbia or Nicaragua has an extopic pregnancy she has to wait until thier felopian tube bursts. But not in Brazil.
21woman 4 years ago
Ah i understand it now... thanks for the answer! :)
kopkitty 4 years ago
Wow, this comment section runs the whole gamut! (Just stopping by on one of my regular visits to your older videos.)
NoPlaceToRest 4 years ago
Hey my good friend! Good to see you around...i hope everything´s good with you! Yes the comment secion on this matter never really stops!
kopkitty 4 years ago
As a man (sort of!)I don't really feel entitled to an opinion on something like abortion, as I cannot appreciate what it must be like to be in that situation. I think, however, your position is the only rational position any reasonable person could take. Very good video.
interimheadcoach 4 years ago
Thank you so much for your comment, it is a real breath of fresh air from a guy to say that. Most guys think they "own" their woman thus they "should have" power over them. Thank you for sharing your thoughts with me.
kopkitty 4 years ago
From the prolife, and Catholic, point of view it is not about women beable to choose...its about if one human should be allowed to end the life of another human. Since you are a Catholic i suggest you ask your local priest or religiouse educator to explain it better.
nomyturn 4 years ago
ok, thanks for your comment.
kopkitty 4 years ago
You cant be both against and for abortion...thats like saying i personally wouldnt rape anyone but i wont say its not ok for someone else to...do you want to legalize rape because it will happen....
nomyturn 4 years ago
Actually abortion is legal in every state in the US. It is a federal law. Whether or not a woman will be able to gain access in certain places is another issue...
megano3 4 years ago
Well, i think the access should be for every woman. I guess in Brazil we are still crawling in laws like that. Just yesterday it was on the news a woman threw her new born baby into a river...so sad!
kopkitty 4 years ago
Like you, I don't like abortion, but I think it should be legal, but I think that women have to take the baby into consideration, and not just see this issue as "my choice", because it's not as simples as that.
It's your choice if you want to get plastic surgery or something, but it's different when your choice involves anothers life, or potential life...
Anyway, nice vid... muito bom. :)
danytibi 4 years ago
thank you so much for your comment, the great thing about it is that we can discuss this matter agreeing to dissagree. i guess everyone has a particular opinion about abortion, and yours is another great view, thanks for your comment :)
kopkitty 4 years ago
I share some of your sentiments about the issue... but I think you are wrong when you say that people opose abortion because they think that women can't chose. People opose abortion because the mother is making a choice that has less to do with her life than it has to do with the new life tha tis growing inside her.
danytibi 4 years ago
you are very pretty.
leiapeison 4 years ago
that is not the issue here, but thanks.
kopkitty 4 years ago
Absolutely! I agree, a woman's body is her own business, not the governments!
athamy25 4 years ago
thank you for your opinion, i am glad we share the same thoughts. thanks for watching.
kopkitty 4 years ago
my view is similar I guess. I believe abortion should be heavily regulated, but not banned. abortions are greatly misused, around 90% of abortions are not for medical, rape, or incestuous reasons. abortion is a moral issue, not a legal one.
On the flip side of the women's issue: sometimes people will abort a fetus because it is female and not male. I agree with you that women of the 21st century are indeed educated, intelligent, informed, and should be treated as such.
themoderateextremist 4 years ago
... and I admire how you handle yourself. good job.
themoderateextremist 4 years ago
thank you for your comment on such important and delicate matter. your points are very well made and i agree that every case is a different case. That is why it should be a matter of choice. thank you again for making this discussion richer.
kopkitty 4 years ago
Rephrasing my last comment: I see laws in countries as being from a larger source than people. Some laws reflect the will of God. Some persons may not be able to judge if or not to have an abortion. And then God is to be considered that He is in control and knows best for the child. God is who saved the child the woman tried to drown. Respectfully Yours! Carlton
magicbrainman 4 years ago
Maybe this was already said, but abortion has been legal in the States since 73. No State is currently allowed to outlaw abortion. We are trying to get that changed. Abortion is murder. It can't be tolerated.
angelakh 4 years ago
Everyone has the right to have an opinion and im not here to say if it is right or wrong. Im just saying that whoever wants to have one, should be able to without any outside interference. Thanks for your comment.
kopkitty 4 years ago
And what I'm saying is that the existance of the human being inside the mother is not an opinion. No woman has a right to kill her children whatever that child's age is. By allowing abortion, we're making an exception.
angelakh 4 years ago
And in order to rationalize that exception, we're coming up with arbitary criteria for when that human life has value and doesn't have. But no one can agree because they're all so illogical that if drawn out completely to their conclusions. If the child's life has no value, than its illogical to have any personal opinion against abortion.
angelakh 4 years ago
I hear and respect your opinion. Although we may not agree, i can see that you are a very respecful person and treats this matter with ideals and values. Im not here to say im for abortion. Im for choice. Like i said, i personally would not have an abortion. Ever.
kopkitty 4 years ago
But i think that you cant turn your face away from another person who needs it somehow, if it is a personal matter, i totally agree with you. It is also a social and political matter. So if anyone should eve decide it is the mother, society could and should not decide for her. thank you again for your comment and having a healthy discussion here with me.
kopkitty 4 years ago
Would you say the same thing if we were talking about infanticide? Can not the same circumstances that a woman finds herself in during a pregnancy occur after her child is born? What on earth makes this any different?
angelakh 4 years ago
you see, Angela, we had very sad news recently about a mother who tried to throw her newborn baby girl ina river to drown. The baby lucky got rescued by some beggars who heard the poor child crying. of course it is murder. but my point is: this women didnt want the child from te get go. and abortion is not legal here. should this women be a mother at all?
kopkitty 4 years ago
should we allow this so called human being to give birth when all she will do is murder her own baby? you see what i mean? im not for abortion, but how else could we possibly protect a unbrn child from a mother like this?
kopkitty 4 years ago
Hi Kopkitty, The Mother who tried to throw her newborn baby into the river to drown: by your story that child was rescued by the beggars. I prefer to think that God intervened. God is larger than our choice, and even unwanted babies are under His soverign, watchful eye. Also your story shows that the mother tried to throw the baby away. Should such people as her be allowed to make a decision to have an abortion? Is she qualified to make that decision? I appreciate the Video
magicbrainman 4 years ago
hey, i agree with you. We both believe in God, as far as i know. What about atheists? soldnt they be able to choose? Maybe i should go deeper and show you the orphanats here in my city, it will turn over your stomach. Im not trying to convice you or anything because most of all i believe in freedom of thought. It is just too much to see so many abandoned children :( thanks for your comment.
kopkitty 4 years ago
Thank You Kopkitty. It then still is an issue of right and wrong. Also, abortion was brought to the US by activist judges' decicion and not majority vote or by congress. So it was not the majority will of Amercans that it was made law. I would ask also, the orphans; do any grow up to lead meaningful lives? Everyone was once a tiny being; should we, who were once in this helpless state, make decisions to stop the life of another who is in this defenseless state?
magicbrainman 4 years ago
great point by the way.
kopkitty 4 years ago
I know this is completely off topic but for not speaking English as as your first language and growing up in Brasil you speak English really well. I'm impressed. Wish my mom could learn...
andrew041488 4 years ago
Well thank you so much Andrew, i am honored to know that i can comunicate well in english, i make such an effort not to make too many mistakes, so i thank you very much for your kind comment! :)
kopkitty 4 years ago
kop - Hope the statistics will be helpful...But as you said, they may have little to do with your country.
Unklebillybob 4 years ago
they were VERY helpful, because it is kinda what i think about it. The only thing i disagree with is that it should be a "yes" for unwanted. If the child is unwanted, what vil destiny waits for it? But hey thanks anyways, it was a very very good comment and info, thanks so much!
kopkitty 4 years ago
My view on abortion? Abortion 4 a woman is a terrible occurrence and it has a devastating effect on every woman's psyche, unless she's really a psychopath who cannot feel anything. A fetus in a woman's womb KNOWS it's "mother" is going 2 kill it and it's dead scared. I guess, it is all very good 4 women who never had an abortion or women who know they cannot have children or psychopathic women 2 talk in favor of it. Thanx. Bye.
GeneNowok 4 years ago
thank you for your comment on this matter.
kopkitty 4 years ago
kop - Strict guidelines should be established on exact circumstances in which a woman may be able to have an abortion performed. Here in the United States, there was comprehensive survey conducted by "Zogby International." And another poll taken on specifics of circumstances on when an abortion might be performed. Below is that poll and survey.
When could an abortion be performed?
1) To save a woman's life 88% yes 10% no 2% Und
2) To save a woman's health 82% yes 14% no 4% Und
Unklebillybob 4 years ago
wow thanks for the information, that is great to know. The thing is that we can´t really compare the US with Brazil. Here you see abandoned children all over, in praticly every corner. And they are miserable, with no home, no food and barely any clothing.
kopkitty 4 years ago
Kop - I ran past my 500 characters, and understand
3) Rape or incest 80% yes 17% No 3% Und
4) Unwanted or Birth Control 42% yes 57% No 1% Und
5) Partial Birth Abortion 23% yes 69% No 8% Und
6) Pregnancy after 6 months 11% yes 86% No 3% Und
Unklebillybob 4 years ago
I keep imagining who were their cruel moms who took off and left their children at drugs, abuse and robbery chances. So that is why i am for the women´s choice. Women who dont agree should get it. I think it is better to stop a pregnancy then to leave a baby at destiny´s ugly chance in the middle of the streets.
kopkitty 4 years ago
"women who dont agree SHOULDNT get it" sorry
kopkitty 4 years ago
Beautifully said, Kopkitty. :)
kananiluvsdance 4 years ago
thank you, im happy to share my thoughts.
kopkitty 4 years ago
Brilliant.
I disagree with any government telling women what they can or cannot do with their bodies.
Blizzeekitty 4 years ago
thanks for your point of view, Blizzeekitty. I am happy to know i am not alone.
kopkitty 4 years ago
I'm pro-choice and most Americans are but everyone is in favor of finding the right way to reduce the number of abortions. We need to empower young women. No woman on earth actually *wants* to have one if they can avoid pregnancy in the first place.
The debate should be a competition over how to help young women, not how to punish them.
So you and I agree with you completely, kopkitty, and there is a LOT that everyone agrees on. Politicians should focus on that.
ReliableInsider 4 years ago
Politicians know there are better ways to prevent pregnancy than arresting all the doctors and forcing women perform surgery on themselves.
But politicians are cynical.
ReliableInsider 4 years ago
agreed and supported.
kopkitty 4 years ago
All around the world their are young women in thousands of terrible situations. I don't want to list them all because the list is depressing. I invite the wealthy to adopt all the children in foster homes, all the children who live in the streets, all of the children whose mother's are too stoned to notice them, but even if they did, adopted children will always wish that their parents were their "real" mom and dad.
ReliableInsider 4 years ago
Hi KK. Difficult subject, eh? Sadly, single issues like this have destroyed rational politics here in the US. Would you agree that abortion is mainly an issue of poverty? I lot of women here I have questioned about this said they had one because of their economic situation. Some just wanted to be promiscuous without the responsability of the aftermath.
Amiduffer 4 years ago
Hey, thanks for your comment. It is indeed a difficult subject, but for whatever reason, women have to be able to choose for themselves...the reason why is their own and not of my business. And well, maybe i wouldnt see many children abandoned on the streets if abortion was available for poor moms to be.
kopkitty 4 years ago
You should tell Pres. Lula to stop being such a pansy (whats the Portugese word for a castrated bull?) and dump the IMF and go with development policies like Pres. Kirchner in Argentina. 8) More economic development means less poverty. If the South American continent was developed, you would find there would be a real shortage of people. Everyone is needed.
Amiduffer 4 years ago
i could not agree with you more! Lula seems to be on duty for his own agenda, not his countrie´s. Meanwhile, its the people here who suffer. Oh well! Thanks for your input and opinions, a very healthy discussion :)
kopkitty 4 years ago
...My grandma once told me 'theres never a right time for a baby,they come when they come and are a blessing from god!'..Thanks KopKitty for an other interesting and informative video! xxx
HeavenSlut86 4 years ago
thank you for your opinion and for watching!
kopkitty 4 years ago
I have mixed views on the whole taboo of Abortion! i think every person should have the choice whether or whether not to create a new life! I agree with what you say about 'supermarket abortions' ,in the uk many women get these done! What i dont agree with is abortions going over the 12 weeks of pregnancy! I personally would never have an abortion,unless the baby had a terrible medical condition so i would be given no choice......
HeavenSlut86 4 years ago
i understand, very good point...and i think it is only natural to have mixed views about abortion, because it i such a delicate topic. thanks for your comment!
kopkitty 4 years ago
Another Great Vid!! Best Wishes!!
dangledog 4 years ago
thank you so much! Best wishes right back at you!
kopkitty 4 years ago
What a hard topic to discuss, so many people have their different views. I love how you went about it here. I myself believe it's a woman's choice. Would I have one, no. Would I want that choice taken from me though. No.
Likes2Bead 4 years ago
Yep, girl. We share the same thoughts on this. It is about the choice, not the act itself... thanks for your comment.
kopkitty 4 years ago
Hi Kopkitty,thank you for your reply sweetie you have a very wise head apon your shoulders & a good brain.
All who take life or end life will be Judged by GOD.
So as you say it's very difficult for those women but the bible is clear on this matter. See Acts chapter19 verse 28, then Romans 14 verse 12.
4eyes79 4 years ago
Hey Ray, i share your concearn, but we have to thinkabout the people who dont even believe in God... who will stand for them? How can their choice be respected?
kopkitty 4 years ago
(1/4) I'm very much impressed with your bravery. I wouldn't touch this topic with a ten foot pole. That said, I agree with you. People who think they are better suited to make other people's choices than those people themselves are a problem, not least because they're usually wrong. I've even heard of some who try to relieve fellow adults of the burden of deciding what language register to use in order to convey what particular sentiment! -
NoPlaceToRest 4 years ago
(2/4) I wonder if my mother actually decided to have me, or if she found the whole ordeal of getting a permission too difficult. I know for a fact that my conception was entirely accidental (and I believe, though I'm not sure, that both my mother and my father were married to other partners at the time). I know for a fact that for sixteen years, my mother was tied to a man whom she loathed;
NoPlaceToRest 4 years ago
The answer is clear. Here is the question that most will avoid but will ring rational clarity. When you walk into a hospital do you see 1 or 2 hallways? 1 hallway has the word premature ward, saving babies born 4 months-7 months and the other hallway is having abortions. Which hallway is life?
RebukeTheWorld 4 years ago
Very good point. I bet the hallway of premature babies is much happier though, given that those mothers really want their children.
kopkitty 4 years ago
(3/4) I know that for a decade of my life she told me over and over that my existence was the cause of all her unhappiness. I remember how we brought her clothes when she was in detox; how she had that frightful accident when she, drunk, drove to fetch me from my friend's birthday party, injuring that other innocent man; how she tried to drown herself; how she slid her wrists... The question is this: If she has chosen to have me, well,
NoPlaceToRest 4 years ago
(4/4) that was stupid, but what are you going to do. If, however, she was forced, even implicitly, to have me against her will, she is really a martyr and cannot be blamed for anything. In fact, the responsibility for all that ensued rests then with the people who took the choice away from her. I wonder if they would accept it. - By the way, it was extremely cool to see you angry for once!
NoPlaceToRest 4 years ago
Im touched you shared such personal story with us, my friend. It is very dear to me how you share your truth, even on this delicate matter. You made a very strong point on this issue, and i thank you so much fro bringing this clever and reality to the subject.
kopkitty 4 years ago
Yes, people should mind their own business anyways. I have no right whatsoever to determin another person´s religion, politic view, diet, place they should live and how they should live their lifes. I think what is most difficult to understand is that you may not agree with somebody´s certain personal choice - but that cannot be helped and each individual is entitled to an opinion and thus personal freedom.
kopkitty 4 years ago
Hi Kopkitty 1st please do not swear no matter how angry you get. 2nd All Life is Sacred many people learn this as they grow older. Also you do have bible
principles yourself this shows in your video's which are a plesure to watch.
4eyes79 4 years ago
hey Ray, sorry i got angry. Some matters do stir me in ways i cannot control. I do agree life is sacred. i am defending the right for women to have a choice. Like i said, i dont want to phorbid anybody from having an abortion because what i believe. I should respect their beliefs as well. Thanks for watching.
kopkitty 4 years ago
i think the reason that the right to this "choice" is still debatable is that some people see abortion as taking a life. just like we can't "choose" to murder someone, we can't "choose" to take the life of a developing baby. i don't know if the woman's ability to choose on her own is why its debated. what do you think?
karoju82 4 years ago
here in my country i heard this question and i got angry "should women decide". As a citizen, i want women to decide, i dont want to have this choice taken away from me or any other women. Plus, if it is taking a life or not, it is the mother´s choice - because of despair, this woman will eventually manage to perform an abortion anyways, so why not protect the life of the mother first? Thanks for your comment, very insightful.
kopkitty 4 years ago
i understand what you are saying, but if you believe life starts at conception should there not be laws protecting that life? not necessarily a religious belief but a moral ethical belief.
bohogirl1 4 years ago
I do believe life starts at conception, but there are people who don´t. Even then, a mother who gives birth to an unwanted child often abuses the child and even abandon it... so the life protected in the beggining is abused and wasted later. So this part of population should be able to stop an unwanted pregnangy if they should decide it. Personally, i wouldnt.
kopkitty 4 years ago
Abortion is legal in all states in the US. Although I am not Catholic, I am a Christian and have my own view on this matter. However, I believe it is the individual's choice and in the States the view on abortion is becoming a 'hot topic' again, especially with the upcoming elections in 2008. The line between politics and the 'hardline religion right' is blurring the once respected seperation between church and state. We are going backwards, not forward in the US.
caughtintheUndert0w 4 years ago
i do believe in individual choice and the right to have it. I appreciate your comment and hope the whole world can see this issue about separating politics and religion with respect and understanding.
kopkitty 4 years ago
Yes I believe abortion should be legal.
FlowingGeisha 4 years ago
Hey Geisha, thank you for your input on this matter.
kopkitty 4 years ago
Actually abortion is legal everywhere the United States. Some states and cities have regulations making it harder to get abortions and regulations about how/when an abortion can be performed but that's about it.
I pretty much agree with what you're sayin here, I wish people were smarter about having sex so that abortions were not necessary but since that will never be a reality I think women should definitely have the right to chose what they want to do for themselves.
BrittneySS 4 years ago
On a side note, I think its pretty brave of you to make a video on this topic though, it can be really controversial sometimes and it has a tendency for getting people really worked up. I'm glad you're not scared to speak your mind!
BrittneySS 4 years ago
Thanks B. Indeed people get angry even talking about this topic. My intentions however, are not to get people angry, but just to express my thoughts. I am aware that many people disagree with me, and they will recieve much respect from me as well as the people who agree with me.
kopkitty 4 years ago
I did not know that B, i thought abortion was illegal in some states, thanks so much for clearing that up for me... and thank you for your comment, very well said.
kopkitty 4 years ago
I agree with you very much. I do not believe in abortion although I think it is somebody's personal choice. Here in America, our country was founded on the idea of separation of church and state, but the sad truth is, religion and politics are getting more and more intertwined.
anakin1814 4 years ago
thanks G. I agree with your comment entirely. Sadly here in Brazil people also mix up religion and politics...when the state should be neutral...thanks for your comment, i could not have put it better!
kopkitty 4 years ago
I understand where your coming from with the issue of Abortion. I've just recently seen it all over the news also. It is a very delicate issue with some, and good on you for giving your views.
Heidiscope 4 years ago
thanks Heidi, for your comment. Its good to know that all this stir is not just here in Brazil.
kopkitty 4 years ago