My friend, part your last statement pretty much sums up what is wrong & contradictory with your logic and affirmative action, "...people will pick who they favor, instead of who's best for the job". Example, affirmative action allows favors for the less qualified students for college, and worse, it is race based, not economic, that why even a White or Asian kid who had overcame a rough life will be out-of-favor when compete against a Black or Hispanic kid, with same or even better childhood
Affirmative action weakens society. Most employers are fair when it comes to hiring, but affirmative action allows less qualified candidates to receive a job unfairly. Affirmative action claims to fight discrimination and advance racial equality, but all its really doing is discriminating against white males who are often times the most qualified for the job. Do you want people to respect you when you get a job, or assume that you just got 'hooked up' because you're a women or a minority?
Affirmative action is legalized discrimination. It was put in place at a time when it may have been needed. Its not now and is NOW discriminatory. End affirmative action...stop discrimination
affirmative action gives unqualified people jobs, YOU PEOPLE ALREADY GO TO COLLEGE FOR FREE BECAUSE OF THE COLOR OF YOUR SKIN, WELFARE, FOOD STAMPS AND YOU GET A JOB BEFORE ME ALSO WITCH I GET DENIED BECAUSE THE OTHER GUY IS BLACK, EVEN THOUGH I HAVE A BETTER RECORD. THIS IS RACIST TO ME, BUT BECAUSE WHITE PEOPLE CANT EXPERIENCE RACISM BECAUSE A LONG TIME AGO BLACK PEOPLE WERE SLAVES. THAT WHITE PEOPLE FOUGHT AGAINST EACH OTHER TO FREE. SO WHY ARE BLACKS 10% MORE LIKELY TO COMMIT A CRIME
I'M not really for affirmative action, you could say it's cause I'm a white man but I think its more because I'm a white man who grew up in a sub 15k a year house hold. I know the disadvantages for those of us grow up in shitty conditions
I know racism is sadly alive and well and that sux
and I'm in favor of helping people up when their down But it just doesn't seem right to me to favor someone based on race
The main reason I am against affirmative action as opposed to using absolutely nothing but discrimination based on relevant abilities for college admissions is because universities serve more than their students. If we weight quota deficiencies over merit, the sum of the abilities of people attending universities falls. Also, do you think a situation where black students accepted into a university have less aptitude than their non-black counterparts is ideal, or that it enforces stereotypes?
Ok so you think holding back the white man and letting another spic take my job is ok? Its not this shit should be goten rid of cause its bull shit. Look man im 16 ive been applying at my local supermarket for example they higher a god damn nigger over me JUST FOR THAT REASON. Nothing more just by their looks. Do you think its fair to old me back a white man just so some other bitch can try to play catch up with the white man? its wrong and your a hipeocrite.
@ihateemos4life I dont think holding anyone back is okay. However it happens EVERY SINGLE DAY in blue and white collar America. #1 that will be the first and last time you use the n word on my channel. #2 Never did I say they should hire based on the color of skin alone. I believe that every business should attempt diversity and provide opportunity. Do you know what affirmative action is? It doesn't just apply to race. Its sex, religion, etc. Do some research and spell HYPOCRITE right.
dude it might just be your damn attitude that lost you the job... and the whole "black person being hired instead of you" thing can be complete coincidence as well
You want handouts to blacks for what whites did to them in the past but you don't see the way whites took away from mexicans back then either. For real you are just a black dude who will talk about every other races problems but not your owns. I really never talk about black issues but if you want to have real talk and point out my people faults in all fairness I will point out yours. I do think there was a time when AA was necessary but not anymore. We need to be responsible on our own.
Not every illegal immigrant is Hispanic or for that matter Mexican. I don't see why you take such offense to the speak of affirmative action. If you understood what it was you would be able to realize how it impacts more than just black people as I've said in the video. You can point out whatever you want as long as you are respectful about. I'm glad you have an opinion as to how society should now be handled, unfortunately we disagree on certain aspects.
Would you run your business on a race quota? I work with 8 blacks, 3 mexicans and 1 white. The blacks tend to not get much done and try to pass on the work to the mexicans and the white guy. They brag about how little they do. I don't think this is the way most blacks work but I do find it apalling in how many blacks back the lazy ones and don't recognize a bad apple when they see one. When I was a boss I fired people who didn't want to work regardless of them being mexican or not.
I understand the necessity of AA, however, I also believe it is the obligation of every person who benefits from it to work their asses off to the point that it is no longer necessary.
It is a yoke around the necks of people who "benefit" from it. I've worked with some truly great black engineers, and I'm a pretty good scientist myself, but we will forever be "marked" any time we make an error as a "product of affirmative action" that reduces the overall quality, just like Sotomayor.
our goverment has been hijacked and u have no clue------people were starting to catch on to the same old white stuffy guys in office so they gave u obama --a black dude---hilary--a woman ---and then they threw in mcaine the usuall old white stuffy guy----they did that to fool u to make u think that things are changing----obama works for the same people bush does----WAKE THE FUCK UP SHEEPLE ---UNPLUG FROM THE MATRIX ---THEY ARE SCAMMING U GENIUS !!! WATCH MY VIDS
Throw that crap out of the window. This conspiracy theory bullshit works for WEAK people but not I. People are awake and if you don't get it now you will get it in the near future. Obama chose to run, Hillary took the invitation for Sec. she's not the first woman to do it. The 2nd white woman and the 3rd behind Rice. Also if you want to go for the black thing please do your history on LINCOLN. I guess you're so innovative because you can predict America's demise right? Just like all the others.
I trust you took the liberty to ensure that 'fact' was researched to account for population size, In other words is that statement still true in a per capita context?
Indeed. We are not only talking about specific groups but in relation to the general population as well. It is a fact based on several years of research that consistently shows the same result.
Women receive preferential treatment over blacks via affirmative action? Or, is it that because there are more woman than blacks, the numbers show that more woman have benefited?
Who really knows the answer to that. It showed white women specifically....not women in general, I'm not sure if there are more white women in America than the entire population of black Americans, I doubt it seriously. One could draw from several reasons as to why. The most obvious seems to be our fraternal institutions.
Well it isn't terribly difficult to figure out. Women are around 50% of the white population, and blacks are about 14% of the population as a whole, whereas whites are 74% of the entire population.
300million*.74/2= 111million
Verses
300million*.14= 42million
Obviously, there are many more white females than there are blacks; this explains why white females have benefited more. I don't want to sound condescending, but you need to research statements further before posting them as fact.
Lol lets be real, you foolishly took into account the entire white female population of the US. Not all females work, you know why? SOME OF THEM ARENT EVEN OF AGE. WE ARE TALKING ABOUT ACTIVELY EMPLOYED PEOPLE. Now go ahead and give those numbers. See how they compare to the active working black population again. Like I said, you know the numbers, just not how to explain them or put them together. Search further...
Not all females work? Not all blacks work either so what exactly is your point? It is difficult to hold a discussion when you are unable to reason. Let's say ALL of the blacks work and only HALF of the females work (ridiculous) but even then there are at least 10 million more females!! What exactly do you need explained? Obviously you need to look into your figures. The reason white females benefit more is because there are more of them, period.
You didn't get the point, too anxious to rebuttal perhaps? I said not all white females are working. You quoted that there were 111 mil. white females. How many of those actively seek work and are eligible to work? There may be 111 white females...what if 50 of those white females are 0-14 years old? That's why you need to go back and check your numbers.
You are missing the point. Your statement was: White females benefit more than blacks do from AA. I said the only reason for that is because there are more white females in the work force, which I proved. The exact number is immaterial, all that matters is that there are a significantly more white females than blacks in the work force, which explains your "whites benefit more" statement, an obvious distortion of reality.
I was referring specifically to white females. You're belaboring the point, you still havent looked at the number of white women eligible for work vs the number of blacks. Also, study affirmative action statistics, they are DISPROPORTIONATE. Combined there are hands down more minority females than white women in America, so why isn't the playing field directly even? Think about it...
Lmao....and there we go again. 70% of the population is white females in the USA? Are you kidding me? Lmao. This discussion is failed. You have failed to follow the flow...it's unfortunate, but when you get your stats together then I'll be here.
Oh no, not a white person behind it all the time, the likelihood is very high. Seems like you might want to study beyond the numbers you call statistics. Study the actual environment. Just study socioeconomic situations from region to region across America. The "hands up" approach is outdated and irresponsible for ALL people black white and inbetween.
Lets not go there. Slavery in the Americas disenfranchised an entire continent of people. Don't dare compare the Asian experience to that of Africans. You obviously came to this conversation without the proper education about world history. What other multiracial societies do you refer to besides the Americas and Europe? Please get specific.
Alright, I'll follow you that route. The African experience was worse than the Asians experience in the US. Yet how come black populations end up in essientially the same social-economic area in multiracial societies where there was no slavery as they do in the United States.
Canada, a host of European countries that did not have colonies, those black populations are not decended from slavery,
Oh don't get me started on Europe, look at where black people settle in Europe and America. Canada didn't host slavery? Oh my....I really need you to study the Creole of Louisiana and the white French possession of areas of Canada before modern day Canadian government took place. Not looking good at all...
Lets think about what you just said. Go back to 1884. Think about that monumental moment in history and what it has to do with Africa. Think about present day Africa and how it has been colonized by Europe. Then lets talk about slavery in Africa today. It's much bigger than you realize. And YES the majority of blacks in Europe and Canada descended from slaves. I can bet you plenty money. Slavery existed in Europe too, not as monstrous as America though.
Also, think about the fact that an apology was issued by America LAST YEAR. After how many years? Rewind to Tony Blair's statements. He says he will not apologize for slavery because it was LEGAL?!? HA! There is plenty I would like to inform you about regarding African relations in the diaspora and the motherland, I may just have to do a series.
i'd like to go there....my grandfather had to change his last name from O'kieren to my current last name in order to get work, ever seen the signs irish need not apply? They prosperd... why cant blacks? In my opinion its due to people who feed people like you lines of bullshit like you;re spewing in order to make excuses for yourselves,
Lol and then came the dumbass that we call YOU. Don't compare Irish relations in America to those of blacks in America. You're an idiot. You know why they prospered? Because minorities have always been the scapegoats of this country. It's called identifiable differences. Take your nearest sociology class until you can get a passing grade. Your comment is flawed you should've been aborted and this my friend was a waste of my reading time. God Bless Ya!
Heres one for you to think about, the local police station in my area made affirmative action in their station (It was to hire more women not black or hispanic people becuase theres very little if any racism in my area). Because the station hired women, the phisical standards had to be droped for police because women could not meet them. That means weaker police protecting you. Just somthing to think about. I do agree with many of the things you say but how there done i have some disagreements.
Even as an Asian, I support affirmative action for the reasons you said. But you have to admit that it's unfair. I had to get much higher grades to get in my college. Also there was only 1 black in my engineering class. If more had taken a harder but better major, they would be more qualified for better jobs and move up in society. All majors are the same tuition. So it's not just the fault of white racism. Yes, that's one factor, but not everything. But I agree that AA is still necessary.
President Bush has nothing to do with affirmitive action, yet 20 of the 24 posts on this video have had to do with Bush, his grades and his criminality all initiated by u Charlie, You changed the discussion from affirmative action to Bush, I think you did this because you lost the argument on affirmative action. In my opinion.
Lol in your opinion is right. You must be bored. We agree that qualified workers should get the positions, I simply provided a major example to refute your claim that "less qualified, lazy, criminal people will be hired accordingly". I showed you how when institutions are FRATERNAL. The best man does NOT always get the job. Just the reality.
Charlie, If you agree with me that consideration for employment should be based on the individual's character,achievements,background,etc, instead of something outside the relm of the applicants control, such as their race or skin color.Then we agree pal! , Only an ignoranus would disagree with that, and I dont think you are an ignoranus.
I was starting to think you were trying to be fair on some of your issues that you post on youtube but you always putt a clever twist on all of your topics (usually right at the end) that undermines the entire message. You remind me of a union official . Telling people what they want to hear but adhering to the "status quo" . I know , I should shut my white mouth and take the kick in the nuts that evil whitey has coming to him. I don't need my job. Jose has 10 kids to feed, I only have one.
What I said is my opinion based on my experiences and what I've heard from others. Has nothing to do with a union I could care less about. It's not about the amount of kids you have. It's about you being in a certain "skin" so to speak and not being able to seek employment when you are qualified. I think the picture that's painted is a super-qualified person being denied employment because they aren't a minority. That is NOT always the case.
No I think Dasupa is right on. What do you mean in the "skin". Maybe the person failed during the interview process. Maybe the person kept an untidy sloppy appearance, Its not just about skin color.There are many other factors that come into play when one is being considered for employment. You just seem to be fascinated with "skin"
The "skin" is a term I use to refer to being that person. All these maybes yet none of them have the probability of happening 99% of the time. They've done several documentaries of people going into workplaces and holding interviews and being treated differently not based on what they've done or how they dress, but WHO THEY ARE. That's the reality that I think not many people are willingly accepting.
I think you have it twisted there. Affirmative Action does not promote, a more qualified applicant. If somebody is more qualified natural selection takes over no matter the race or gender . I know " the good ol boys club" is still well and alive and Family owned businesses hire from within . I have seen through my own eyes , a lessor qualified applicant get a job because an employer had to fill a 'race&gender quota" to comply with affirmative action. I have seen this time and time again. CONT..
I have seen it time and time again where a MORE qualified person has not gotten a promotion or a position simply because the hiring manager feels comfortable with a person they've grown up near or gone to school with. The "friend of a friend" type of mentality. The idea of natural selection works for some people, NOT ALL. There are several others that just would not hire based on the color of skin or a person's gender. Well into NOW.
true, So we see both sides of the coin. Its true, I have seen the right person for the job get passed over because of preferential treatment of some kind . I don't think it should be big brothers job to govern over employers and tell them whats fair and not fair. I shared house W/ friends and my roommate was a black guy and used to call me angry white man lol because I talk shit about illegals . I would tell him " your head will roll right after mine." Americans are getting screwed. peace....
I'm talking about chronic criminal behavior. to the point where ones own prospect of employment is jeopardized., robbery, assault, rape, viloent crimes especially. I'm not talking about one misdemeanor 30 years ago, which he never repeated again. Your taking things way out of context, I think you are doing this because you are a sore loser , frankly
I think you have seen my point and you fail to accept it because it's not what you like. Lol. He has a record. He had a low GPA. WE ELECTED HIM FOR THE MOST POWERFUL JOB IN THE WORLD. You telling me the standards for an office worker are less than? Come on. The same business owners who hire people VOTED FOR BUSH. So a criminal w/ a low gpa is good enough for their president, just not for their assistant... I see. Keep brainstorming.
Bush isnt a criminal, He had a DUI 30 years ago, which is a misdemeanor. He paid a fine and had his license revoked for a little while. The man wasnt imprisioned, your taking what I said out of context, All men are sinners, its in the bible under Genesis, we all make mistakes. You have to have to ability to learn from that mistake, Bush obviously never did it again. When I say criminal record, I am not talking about one misdemeanor offense.
Bush went to jail for stealing 2 times beyond the DUI. So get your record checking correct. You don't have to be imprisoned to be a criminal you have to be convicted. So don't flip flop now on what you said earlier. You attributed a criminal record to a flaw on your background when it comes to the hiring process PERIOD. So now we're all sinners. Well tell that to the companies doing background checks.
I say its the mark of a genius, Bush became president without even trying.Twice, ....C grades and all ( allegedly) thats pure genius. Thats how I see it.
Minorities who would've never been hired by racist and non-business minded business owners now have to take a second look about how they do things. Not only in business, but also in academics. IF a C average at Yale is good enough then a C average at Sidewalk U must not be bad either. If criminal records are good for our c-i-c. They are good for Tyrone, Jose, and Chung right? I guess so...
I just told you a different set of rules apply when it comes to the presidency. You can be a straight A student and potentially suck at being a president. Different characteristical traits apply with the presidency. Maybe Bush had superior, above average, unique intangible characteristics that suited him best for the presidency at that particular time.
A different set of rules apply when you are a president. So forget your criminal record and school records when you run for presidency. But remember everything else when you attain the most powerful job in the US. LMAO right. Why haven't we elected a non-Ivy League student to presidency in ages? FRATERNALISM. The same thing that occurs in other institutions. What you say is not really justifying your case. It may be amazing, but don't complain about affirmative action for your stated reasons
When it comes to the presidency its not solely intelligence that matters. One must have certain characteristics and decision making skills to be president. Maybe Bush excelled in these areas in school. Who knows?I'm sure genetics plays a role here, who knows. Bill Gates flunked out of Harvard, Look at him now. it's all relative Chuck
So once again, you talked about the most qualified people for the jobs GETTING THE JOBS. Instead of lazy, unqualified people correct? You talked about how people with low gpas and less skilled people w/ criminal records will be hired accordingly. So we have the president of the USA. LOW GPA, CRIMINAL RECORD, ADMITTED TO NOT EVEN WANTING TO BE IN SCHOOL. Look at him now, OUR FORMER PRESIDENT. Then we wonder why we need aff act.
Oh, I see Again..source? website? dont tell me what you say Bush said. Show me where Bush said it, so I can see it for myself. Dont' give me a nondescript source like the NEW YORKER magazine , give me the issue number and a page number something verifiable for goodness sake. Secondly, lets say I believe you Bush was a C student, C is passing, whats the problem here? I think its wonderful that a C student (allegedly) can strive and make it all the way to the presidency. Twice.
So it is also then wonderful for a C student from a minority group to get a job based on who they are correct? Lol. I told you as I said before, GOOGLE IT. That's how I found out. You wikipedia the amendments, you can do the same for this source of information. It's clearly there and you are belaboring the point by not getting to the source and seeing that I'm correct.
I see, so you know for a fact incontrovertably that Bush was a C student. However, you have never seen his transcripts, You have heard rumors and you believe them undoubtedly, So if I told you Obama was not a citizen of the U.S. you would believe me, even tho I have never seen his birth certificate, you would beleive me because I said so
This is where you're wrong. I never said they were rumors. They were verified pieces of information never once refuted by George Bush. HE WAS A LOW C STUDENT. He was in the 21 percentile during his freshman year at Yale. He HAS AN ARREST RECORD. Bush was a C student. Read your local copy of The New Yorker. He has said it himself! That is not rumor. That is fact. So if you need more evidence than that, it's simply about what you choose not to believe.
AHHHHHH, I see now you changing the discussion, now you are going completely off topic because you lost the chess match, you realize you lost the chess match and your flustered, so now you bring up debates i've had with others, that have nothing to do with this debate.This is the oldest trick in the book Chuck, I'ts a shame because I actually enjoy chatting with you.
Lol if you honestly think you've made a valid point thus far I need you to read debate for dummies. I enjoy debates including ones with you, but honestly this point stayed on topic. You are calling secondary sources irrelevant. Yet in the same lifetime you use them to make your points to describe intent. So you're trying to dismiss GB as an idiot because I haven't seen his transcripts in person and you haven't either. Hm...interesting...
Exactly my point, so now you admit you havent seen GB's transcripts, Yet, you know for a fact that GB was a C student. How is this phenomenom possible? I just told you transcripts are confidential documents. You dont know for a fact what his grades were and if you do. please direct me to the link. Until then, I have two rooks on both your flanks and your king is moving in single file.
Direct you to the link? You're a smart man. You have time to post on my video. GOOGLE the information because it is there. Then come talk to me about that foolishness. Once again..an undeniable fail.
Oh I see so when you wikipedia information regarding the 2nd amendment it's okay. Now when someone researches his transcripts it's what other people say and it's no longer relevant? I see where that is going LMAO. Come better than this please.
Im not saying he's completely stupid. I am saying that he got into school based on who he knew. The legacy opportunity. This is fact. He had poor grades as a kid. Poor grades when graduating. How many kids from the inner city could've gotten that opportunity? NONE. So this is what I'm talking about. Affirmative action answers these problems.
How do you know what gades he got? Where you his principal? Transcripts are classified. You dont know the grades bush got in school.Dont be silly, I mean I agree with you hes not the sharpest tool in the shed, but he's not the dullest either.
He was a C student in college, and a poor student in high school. This has been stated by classmates, and teachers. His college transcripts were looked at and talked about when he ran the first time. As well as the second. So google will tell you all about it
many im sure, but your stating mostly opinions in that last post. My facts are simple. Hire the emplyee who is superior than the rest, in terms of skills, experience, background check, grades, achievements, character. etc. Come now Charlie, if your an employer dont you want the best employees out there. Or do you want a bunch of lazy losers who suck at everything they do
Your assumption is that anyone who gets a pass under affirmative action is lazy and has an arrest record. Think outside of the box. Think about how many people are denied employment without some kind of barrier that tells people to open their doors for everyone? In an ideal world your thinking works fine and I adopt that. We just don't live in an ideal world.
See now your twisting reality in order to try and prove a fairy tale point. because I never said that everyone who gets a pass with affirmative action is a criminal or lazy.Thats your assumption, and you shouldn't assume because when you assume you make an ass out of you and me(ASSUME)
So it's an assumption that only Bush knows he wasnt school smart. Hm....perhaps you need to utilize research tools. It's clear that you don't want to believe it so you try to dismiss the reality. It's not my opinion. IT's the opinion of many others. AND HIS TRANSCRIPTS.
I assume your referring to Bush. Its difficult to argue he is an underachiever when the people unanimously voted him into power for not one but two terms.
Forget the fact that he claimed presidency because of where he came from not who he was as an individual. We're talking about his opportunities as governor and his opportunity to enter an Ivy League school. Then his chances to succeed with a sub par education. Would this have worked if it had been Obama or Hillary? I doubt it.
so then you are agreeing with me in essence. Cuz Im saying let the best man or woman get the job.Allow people to compete for the job. Affirmative action diminishes that competitiveness. by giving jobs to less qualified people simply because they are black for example. When there may be a white person for example who applies for the same job as the black person, even though the white person may be better skilled, smarter, better gpa credentials and all around a superior fit for the job. example
Affirmative action doesn't diminish this. We have hard studies and research that tells us. When left to hire candidates to fill positions, the people at the top don't want Tyrone from the west side or Jose from the south. They prefer a candidate who looks like them and comes from a familiar area, regardless of how they do a job. Also if minorities are hired, they have less chances of advancing. And about arrest records, do you know how many blacks/hispanics are arrested w/ no conviction?
It's not about better skilled or smarter, it's about people who play by the rules and aren't seeing the advantages. It's about rectifying the economic situation set in place by people who don't pick the best man for the job, sometimes they just picked the white man for the job. If people acted accordingly and picked the best people, affirmative action wouldn't be a topic. Since you have 90%+ of administrators, ceos, deans as white men....this tells you something.
You make the work force and society in general less competitive, dumber and more lazy, when you higher less qualified,less educated, dumb, lazy peolpe. skin color and gender aside. It's basically survival of the fittest, that underlying competitive atmosphere that subliminally galvanizes peolpe to strive harder, study harder and work harder becomes diminished with affirmitive action. Simply because an employer has to meet a quota. It's unfair and it waters down the work force.
Hire* is the spelling. First, there is a difference between unqualified people being hired and qualified people from different backgrounds being hired. There are plenty of people who got jobs based on who they knew, still to this day this problem exists. They disenfranchise others who are studied and don't have the same opportunities based on their economic situation. BUSINESSES ARE FRATERNAL they hire people based on what school they went to not what they know. Look at Bush 43
yea charlie totally disagree, If PERSON A goes to school studies hard graduates valedictorian gets a degree and strives hard, he or she should be considered for employment accordingly, regardless of skin color or gender. If PERSON B goes to school, jerks around, does not strive hard, does not study,gets a criminal record, obtains minimal gpa requirements because they are lazy, than this person should be considered for employment accordingly, regardless of skin color or gender.
An Ivy League underachiever who lived off of daddy's success to become president. The only reason he got into the school was because of his father. Meanwhile the people at the heads of these institutions hire who they feel comfortable with not based on their qualifications. There is direct racism, sexism, genderism and religious discrimination that CAN NOT be corrected on its own. It happens every day. Hence the Lilly Ledbetter Act just signed into play.
My friend, part your last statement pretty much sums up what is wrong & contradictory with your logic and affirmative action, "...people will pick who they favor, instead of who's best for the job". Example, affirmative action allows favors for the less qualified students for college, and worse, it is race based, not economic, that why even a White or Asian kid who had overcame a rough life will be out-of-favor when compete against a Black or Hispanic kid, with same or even better childhood
noiphetso1 4 months ago
Affirmative action weakens society. Most employers are fair when it comes to hiring, but affirmative action allows less qualified candidates to receive a job unfairly. Affirmative action claims to fight discrimination and advance racial equality, but all its really doing is discriminating against white males who are often times the most qualified for the job. Do you want people to respect you when you get a job, or assume that you just got 'hooked up' because you're a women or a minority?
JDMacaB 1 year ago
Affirmative action is legalized discrimination. It was put in place at a time when it may have been needed. Its not now and is NOW discriminatory. End affirmative action...stop discrimination
shonholmes 1 year ago
affirmative action gives unqualified people jobs, YOU PEOPLE ALREADY GO TO COLLEGE FOR FREE BECAUSE OF THE COLOR OF YOUR SKIN, WELFARE, FOOD STAMPS AND YOU GET A JOB BEFORE ME ALSO WITCH I GET DENIED BECAUSE THE OTHER GUY IS BLACK, EVEN THOUGH I HAVE A BETTER RECORD. THIS IS RACIST TO ME, BUT BECAUSE WHITE PEOPLE CANT EXPERIENCE RACISM BECAUSE A LONG TIME AGO BLACK PEOPLE WERE SLAVES. THAT WHITE PEOPLE FOUGHT AGAINST EACH OTHER TO FREE. SO WHY ARE BLACKS 10% MORE LIKELY TO COMMIT A CRIME
breadstax 1 year ago
I'M not really for affirmative action, you could say it's cause I'm a white man but I think its more because I'm a white man who grew up in a sub 15k a year house hold. I know the disadvantages for those of us grow up in shitty conditions
I know racism is sadly alive and well and that sux
and I'm in favor of helping people up when their down But it just doesn't seem right to me to favor someone based on race
this is just my opinion though
midgety1 1 year ago
The main reason I am against affirmative action as opposed to using absolutely nothing but discrimination based on relevant abilities for college admissions is because universities serve more than their students. If we weight quota deficiencies over merit, the sum of the abilities of people attending universities falls. Also, do you think a situation where black students accepted into a university have less aptitude than their non-black counterparts is ideal, or that it enforces stereotypes?
NoPetrol 1 year ago
Ok so you think holding back the white man and letting another spic take my job is ok? Its not this shit should be goten rid of cause its bull shit. Look man im 16 ive been applying at my local supermarket for example they higher a god damn nigger over me JUST FOR THAT REASON. Nothing more just by their looks. Do you think its fair to old me back a white man just so some other bitch can try to play catch up with the white man? its wrong and your a hipeocrite.
ihateemos4life 2 years ago
@ihateemos4life I dont think holding anyone back is okay. However it happens EVERY SINGLE DAY in blue and white collar America. #1 that will be the first and last time you use the n word on my channel. #2 Never did I say they should hire based on the color of skin alone. I believe that every business should attempt diversity and provide opportunity. Do you know what affirmative action is? It doesn't just apply to race. Its sex, religion, etc. Do some research and spell HYPOCRITE right.
mrcharlieblack 2 years ago
dude it might just be your damn attitude that lost you the job... and the whole "black person being hired instead of you" thing can be complete coincidence as well
basketball1688 1 year ago
You want handouts to blacks for what whites did to them in the past but you don't see the way whites took away from mexicans back then either. For real you are just a black dude who will talk about every other races problems but not your owns. I really never talk about black issues but if you want to have real talk and point out my people faults in all fairness I will point out yours. I do think there was a time when AA was necessary but not anymore. We need to be responsible on our own.
stressthaking09 2 years ago
Not every illegal immigrant is Hispanic or for that matter Mexican. I don't see why you take such offense to the speak of affirmative action. If you understood what it was you would be able to realize how it impacts more than just black people as I've said in the video. You can point out whatever you want as long as you are respectful about. I'm glad you have an opinion as to how society should now be handled, unfortunately we disagree on certain aspects.
mrcharlieblack 2 years ago
Would you run your business on a race quota? I work with 8 blacks, 3 mexicans and 1 white. The blacks tend to not get much done and try to pass on the work to the mexicans and the white guy. They brag about how little they do. I don't think this is the way most blacks work but I do find it apalling in how many blacks back the lazy ones and don't recognize a bad apple when they see one. When I was a boss I fired people who didn't want to work regardless of them being mexican or not.
stressthaking09 2 years ago
I understand the necessity of AA, however, I also believe it is the obligation of every person who benefits from it to work their asses off to the point that it is no longer necessary.
It is a yoke around the necks of people who "benefit" from it. I've worked with some truly great black engineers, and I'm a pretty good scientist myself, but we will forever be "marked" any time we make an error as a "product of affirmative action" that reduces the overall quality, just like Sotomayor.
Amy31415 2 years ago
our goverment has been hijacked and u have no clue------people were starting to catch on to the same old white stuffy guys in office so they gave u obama --a black dude---hilary--a woman ---and then they threw in mcaine the usuall old white stuffy guy----they did that to fool u to make u think that things are changing----obama works for the same people bush does----WAKE THE FUCK UP SHEEPLE ---UNPLUG FROM THE MATRIX ---THEY ARE SCAMMING U GENIUS !!! WATCH MY VIDS
WONDOCTORJ 2 years ago
Throw that crap out of the window. This conspiracy theory bullshit works for WEAK people but not I. People are awake and if you don't get it now you will get it in the near future. Obama chose to run, Hillary took the invitation for Sec. she's not the first woman to do it. The 2nd white woman and the 3rd behind Rice. Also if you want to go for the black thing please do your history on LINCOLN. I guess you're so innovative because you can predict America's demise right? Just like all the others.
mrcharlieblack 2 years ago
White woman benefit most?
I trust you took the liberty to ensure that 'fact' was researched to account for population size, In other words is that statement still true in a per capita context?
atheistnarnia 3 years ago
Indeed. We are not only talking about specific groups but in relation to the general population as well. It is a fact based on several years of research that consistently shows the same result.
mrcharlieblack 3 years ago
Women receive preferential treatment over blacks via affirmative action? Or, is it that because there are more woman than blacks, the numbers show that more woman have benefited?
atheistnarnia 3 years ago
Who really knows the answer to that. It showed white women specifically....not women in general, I'm not sure if there are more white women in America than the entire population of black Americans, I doubt it seriously. One could draw from several reasons as to why. The most obvious seems to be our fraternal institutions.
mrcharlieblack 3 years ago
Well it isn't terribly difficult to figure out. Women are around 50% of the white population, and blacks are about 14% of the population as a whole, whereas whites are 74% of the entire population.
300million*.74/2= 111million
Verses
300million*.14= 42million
Obviously, there are many more white females than there are blacks; this explains why white females have benefited more. I don't want to sound condescending, but you need to research statements further before posting them as fact.
atheistnarnia 3 years ago
Lol lets be real, you foolishly took into account the entire white female population of the US. Not all females work, you know why? SOME OF THEM ARENT EVEN OF AGE. WE ARE TALKING ABOUT ACTIVELY EMPLOYED PEOPLE. Now go ahead and give those numbers. See how they compare to the active working black population again. Like I said, you know the numbers, just not how to explain them or put them together. Search further...
mrcharlieblack 3 years ago
Not all females work? Not all blacks work either so what exactly is your point? It is difficult to hold a discussion when you are unable to reason. Let's say ALL of the blacks work and only HALF of the females work (ridiculous) but even then there are at least 10 million more females!! What exactly do you need explained? Obviously you need to look into your figures. The reason white females benefit more is because there are more of them, period.
atheistnarnia 3 years ago
You didn't get the point, too anxious to rebuttal perhaps? I said not all white females are working. You quoted that there were 111 mil. white females. How many of those actively seek work and are eligible to work? There may be 111 white females...what if 50 of those white females are 0-14 years old? That's why you need to go back and check your numbers.
mrcharlieblack 3 years ago
You are missing the point. Your statement was: White females benefit more than blacks do from AA. I said the only reason for that is because there are more white females in the work force, which I proved. The exact number is immaterial, all that matters is that there are a significantly more white females than blacks in the work force, which explains your "whites benefit more" statement, an obvious distortion of reality.
atheistnarnia 3 years ago
I was referring specifically to white females. You're belaboring the point, you still havent looked at the number of white women eligible for work vs the number of blacks. Also, study affirmative action statistics, they are DISPROPORTIONATE. Combined there are hands down more minority females than white women in America, so why isn't the playing field directly even? Think about it...
mrcharlieblack 3 years ago
Yes I have, and there are many more. There is? Well that is news to me and everyone else.
"more minority females than white women in America"
How can half of 70% of the population be less than half of 30% of the population?
Your inability to reason has made me lose interest in this.
atheistnarnia 3 years ago
Lmao....and there we go again. 70% of the population is white females in the USA? Are you kidding me? Lmao. This discussion is failed. You have failed to follow the flow...it's unfortunate, but when you get your stats together then I'll be here.
mrcharlieblack 3 years ago
I'm against Affirmative Action.
Hire the best person for the job, everywhere, everytime, anywhere.
jusitndaniel 3 years ago
You know..if a large portion of the people in charge of hiring weren't racist and discriminatory...I'd adopt that thinking in its entirety
mrcharlieblack 3 years ago
Of course everytime a black doesn't get a job, commits a crime, flunks out of school et cetera ad nausum a white racist must be behind it.
atheistnarnia 3 years ago
Oh no, not a white person behind it all the time, the likelihood is very high. Seems like you might want to study beyond the numbers you call statistics. Study the actual environment. Just study socioeconomic situations from region to region across America. The "hands up" approach is outdated and irresponsible for ALL people black white and inbetween.
mrcharlieblack 3 years ago
Very high? And of course the condition in Africa is the fault of white racists?
Every other multi-racial society blacks end up the same place as they do in the US. Not so for Asians, why is this?
atheistnarnia 3 years ago
Lets not go there. Slavery in the Americas disenfranchised an entire continent of people. Don't dare compare the Asian experience to that of Africans. You obviously came to this conversation without the proper education about world history. What other multiracial societies do you refer to besides the Americas and Europe? Please get specific.
mrcharlieblack 3 years ago
Alright, I'll follow you that route. The African experience was worse than the Asians experience in the US. Yet how come black populations end up in essientially the same social-economic area in multiracial societies where there was no slavery as they do in the United States.
Canada, a host of European countries that did not have colonies, those black populations are not decended from slavery,
atheistnarnia 3 years ago
Oh don't get me started on Europe, look at where black people settle in Europe and America. Canada didn't host slavery? Oh my....I really need you to study the Creole of Louisiana and the white French possession of areas of Canada before modern day Canadian government took place. Not looking good at all...
mrcharlieblack 3 years ago
You are telling me the majority of blacks in Europe and Canada are desended from Slaves, owned by whites?
Slavery still exists in Africa, why is Africa so desolate, when there are little if any whites in those societies?
atheistnarnia 3 years ago
Lets think about what you just said. Go back to 1884. Think about that monumental moment in history and what it has to do with Africa. Think about present day Africa and how it has been colonized by Europe. Then lets talk about slavery in Africa today. It's much bigger than you realize. And YES the majority of blacks in Europe and Canada descended from slaves. I can bet you plenty money. Slavery existed in Europe too, not as monstrous as America though.
mrcharlieblack 3 years ago
Also, think about the fact that an apology was issued by America LAST YEAR. After how many years? Rewind to Tony Blair's statements. He says he will not apologize for slavery because it was LEGAL?!? HA! There is plenty I would like to inform you about regarding African relations in the diaspora and the motherland, I may just have to do a series.
mrcharlieblack 3 years ago
i'd like to go there....my grandfather had to change his last name from O'kieren to my current last name in order to get work, ever seen the signs irish need not apply? They prosperd... why cant blacks? In my opinion its due to people who feed people like you lines of bullshit like you;re spewing in order to make excuses for yourselves,
mongoose63124 3 years ago
Lol and then came the dumbass that we call YOU. Don't compare Irish relations in America to those of blacks in America. You're an idiot. You know why they prospered? Because minorities have always been the scapegoats of this country. It's called identifiable differences. Take your nearest sociology class until you can get a passing grade. Your comment is flawed you should've been aborted and this my friend was a waste of my reading time. God Bless Ya!
mrcharlieblack 3 years ago
Heres one for you to think about, the local police station in my area made affirmative action in their station (It was to hire more women not black or hispanic people becuase theres very little if any racism in my area). Because the station hired women, the phisical standards had to be droped for police because women could not meet them. That means weaker police protecting you. Just somthing to think about. I do agree with many of the things you say but how there done i have some disagreements.
Berno10011001 3 years ago
Even as an Asian, I support affirmative action for the reasons you said. But you have to admit that it's unfair. I had to get much higher grades to get in my college. Also there was only 1 black in my engineering class. If more had taken a harder but better major, they would be more qualified for better jobs and move up in society. All majors are the same tuition. So it's not just the fault of white racism. Yes, that's one factor, but not everything. But I agree that AA is still necessary.
ap9386 3 years ago
ok then
thejiggyjigga1 3 years ago
President Bush has nothing to do with affirmitive action, yet 20 of the 24 posts on this video have had to do with Bush, his grades and his criminality all initiated by u Charlie, You changed the discussion from affirmative action to Bush, I think you did this because you lost the argument on affirmative action. In my opinion.
thejiggyjigga1 3 years ago
Lol in your opinion is right. You must be bored. We agree that qualified workers should get the positions, I simply provided a major example to refute your claim that "less qualified, lazy, criminal people will be hired accordingly". I showed you how when institutions are FRATERNAL. The best man does NOT always get the job. Just the reality.
mrcharlieblack 3 years ago
Charlie, If you agree with me that consideration for employment should be based on the individual's character,achievements,background,etc, instead of something outside the relm of the applicants control, such as their race or skin color.Then we agree pal! , Only an ignoranus would disagree with that, and I dont think you are an ignoranus.
thejiggyjigga1 3 years ago
I was starting to think you were trying to be fair on some of your issues that you post on youtube but you always putt a clever twist on all of your topics (usually right at the end) that undermines the entire message. You remind me of a union official . Telling people what they want to hear but adhering to the "status quo" . I know , I should shut my white mouth and take the kick in the nuts that evil whitey has coming to him. I don't need my job. Jose has 10 kids to feed, I only have one.
dasupa666 3 years ago
What I said is my opinion based on my experiences and what I've heard from others. Has nothing to do with a union I could care less about. It's not about the amount of kids you have. It's about you being in a certain "skin" so to speak and not being able to seek employment when you are qualified. I think the picture that's painted is a super-qualified person being denied employment because they aren't a minority. That is NOT always the case.
mrcharlieblack 3 years ago
No I think Dasupa is right on. What do you mean in the "skin". Maybe the person failed during the interview process. Maybe the person kept an untidy sloppy appearance, Its not just about skin color.There are many other factors that come into play when one is being considered for employment. You just seem to be fascinated with "skin"
thejiggyjigga1 3 years ago
The "skin" is a term I use to refer to being that person. All these maybes yet none of them have the probability of happening 99% of the time. They've done several documentaries of people going into workplaces and holding interviews and being treated differently not based on what they've done or how they dress, but WHO THEY ARE. That's the reality that I think not many people are willingly accepting.
mrcharlieblack 3 years ago
I think you have it twisted there. Affirmative Action does not promote, a more qualified applicant. If somebody is more qualified natural selection takes over no matter the race or gender . I know " the good ol boys club" is still well and alive and Family owned businesses hire from within . I have seen through my own eyes , a lessor qualified applicant get a job because an employer had to fill a 'race&gender quota" to comply with affirmative action. I have seen this time and time again. CONT..
dasupa666 3 years ago
I have seen it time and time again where a MORE qualified person has not gotten a promotion or a position simply because the hiring manager feels comfortable with a person they've grown up near or gone to school with. The "friend of a friend" type of mentality. The idea of natural selection works for some people, NOT ALL. There are several others that just would not hire based on the color of skin or a person's gender. Well into NOW.
mrcharlieblack 3 years ago
true, So we see both sides of the coin. Its true, I have seen the right person for the job get passed over because of preferential treatment of some kind . I don't think it should be big brothers job to govern over employers and tell them whats fair and not fair. I shared house W/ friends and my roommate was a black guy and used to call me angry white man lol because I talk shit about illegals . I would tell him " your head will roll right after mine." Americans are getting screwed. peace....
dasupa666 3 years ago
I'm talking about chronic criminal behavior. to the point where ones own prospect of employment is jeopardized., robbery, assault, rape, viloent crimes especially. I'm not talking about one misdemeanor 30 years ago, which he never repeated again. Your taking things way out of context, I think you are doing this because you are a sore loser , frankly
thejiggyjigga1 3 years ago
I think you have seen my point and you fail to accept it because it's not what you like. Lol. He has a record. He had a low GPA. WE ELECTED HIM FOR THE MOST POWERFUL JOB IN THE WORLD. You telling me the standards for an office worker are less than? Come on. The same business owners who hire people VOTED FOR BUSH. So a criminal w/ a low gpa is good enough for their president, just not for their assistant... I see. Keep brainstorming.
mrcharlieblack 3 years ago
Bush isnt a criminal, He had a DUI 30 years ago, which is a misdemeanor. He paid a fine and had his license revoked for a little while. The man wasnt imprisioned, your taking what I said out of context, All men are sinners, its in the bible under Genesis, we all make mistakes. You have to have to ability to learn from that mistake, Bush obviously never did it again. When I say criminal record, I am not talking about one misdemeanor offense.
thejiggyjigga1 3 years ago
Bush went to jail for stealing 2 times beyond the DUI. So get your record checking correct. You don't have to be imprisoned to be a criminal you have to be convicted. So don't flip flop now on what you said earlier. You attributed a criminal record to a flaw on your background when it comes to the hiring process PERIOD. So now we're all sinners. Well tell that to the companies doing background checks.
mrcharlieblack 3 years ago
Look man you hav
thejiggyjigga1 3 years ago
I say its the mark of a genius, Bush became president without even trying.Twice, ....C grades and all ( allegedly) thats pure genius. Thats how I see it.
thejiggyjigga1 3 years ago
Minorities who would've never been hired by racist and non-business minded business owners now have to take a second look about how they do things. Not only in business, but also in academics. IF a C average at Yale is good enough then a C average at Sidewalk U must not be bad either. If criminal records are good for our c-i-c. They are good for Tyrone, Jose, and Chung right? I guess so...
mrcharlieblack 3 years ago
I just told you a different set of rules apply when it comes to the presidency. You can be a straight A student and potentially suck at being a president. Different characteristical traits apply with the presidency. Maybe Bush had superior, above average, unique intangible characteristics that suited him best for the presidency at that particular time.
thejiggyjigga1 3 years ago
A different set of rules apply when you are a president. So forget your criminal record and school records when you run for presidency. But remember everything else when you attain the most powerful job in the US. LMAO right. Why haven't we elected a non-Ivy League student to presidency in ages? FRATERNALISM. The same thing that occurs in other institutions. What you say is not really justifying your case. It may be amazing, but don't complain about affirmative action for your stated reasons
mrcharlieblack 3 years ago
When it comes to the presidency its not solely intelligence that matters. One must have certain characteristics and decision making skills to be president. Maybe Bush excelled in these areas in school. Who knows?I'm sure genetics plays a role here, who knows. Bill Gates flunked out of Harvard, Look at him now. it's all relative Chuck
thejiggyjigga1 3 years ago
So once again, you talked about the most qualified people for the jobs GETTING THE JOBS. Instead of lazy, unqualified people correct? You talked about how people with low gpas and less skilled people w/ criminal records will be hired accordingly. So we have the president of the USA. LOW GPA, CRIMINAL RECORD, ADMITTED TO NOT EVEN WANTING TO BE IN SCHOOL. Look at him now, OUR FORMER PRESIDENT. Then we wonder why we need aff act.
mrcharlieblack 3 years ago
Oh, I see Again..source? website? dont tell me what you say Bush said. Show me where Bush said it, so I can see it for myself. Dont' give me a nondescript source like the NEW YORKER magazine , give me the issue number and a page number something verifiable for goodness sake. Secondly, lets say I believe you Bush was a C student, C is passing, whats the problem here? I think its wonderful that a C student (allegedly) can strive and make it all the way to the presidency. Twice.
thejiggyjigga1 3 years ago
So it is also then wonderful for a C student from a minority group to get a job based on who they are correct? Lol. I told you as I said before, GOOGLE IT. That's how I found out. You wikipedia the amendments, you can do the same for this source of information. It's clearly there and you are belaboring the point by not getting to the source and seeing that I'm correct.
mrcharlieblack 3 years ago
I see, so you know for a fact incontrovertably that Bush was a C student. However, you have never seen his transcripts, You have heard rumors and you believe them undoubtedly, So if I told you Obama was not a citizen of the U.S. you would believe me, even tho I have never seen his birth certificate, you would beleive me because I said so
thejiggyjigga1 3 years ago
This is where you're wrong. I never said they were rumors. They were verified pieces of information never once refuted by George Bush. HE WAS A LOW C STUDENT. He was in the 21 percentile during his freshman year at Yale. He HAS AN ARREST RECORD. Bush was a C student. Read your local copy of The New Yorker. He has said it himself! That is not rumor. That is fact. So if you need more evidence than that, it's simply about what you choose not to believe.
mrcharlieblack 3 years ago
AHHHHHH, I see now you changing the discussion, now you are going completely off topic because you lost the chess match, you realize you lost the chess match and your flustered, so now you bring up debates i've had with others, that have nothing to do with this debate.This is the oldest trick in the book Chuck, I'ts a shame because I actually enjoy chatting with you.
thejiggyjigga1 3 years ago
Lol if you honestly think you've made a valid point thus far I need you to read debate for dummies. I enjoy debates including ones with you, but honestly this point stayed on topic. You are calling secondary sources irrelevant. Yet in the same lifetime you use them to make your points to describe intent. So you're trying to dismiss GB as an idiot because I haven't seen his transcripts in person and you haven't either. Hm...interesting...
mrcharlieblack 3 years ago
Exactly my point, so now you admit you havent seen GB's transcripts, Yet, you know for a fact that GB was a C student. How is this phenomenom possible? I just told you transcripts are confidential documents. You dont know for a fact what his grades were and if you do. please direct me to the link. Until then, I have two rooks on both your flanks and your king is moving in single file.
thejiggyjigga1 3 years ago
Direct you to the link? You're a smart man. You have time to post on my video. GOOGLE the information because it is there. Then come talk to me about that foolishness. Once again..an undeniable fail.
mrcharlieblack 3 years ago
YOU DONT HAVE HIS TRANSCRIPTS!!!! and what other people say is irrelevant, Come on Charlie lets stick to reality here, please.
thejiggyjigga1 3 years ago
Oh I see so when you wikipedia information regarding the 2nd amendment it's okay. Now when someone researches his transcripts it's what other people say and it's no longer relevant? I see where that is going LMAO. Come better than this please.
mrcharlieblack 3 years ago
How do you know? Bush may not be as stupid as you think?
thejiggyjigga1 3 years ago
Im not saying he's completely stupid. I am saying that he got into school based on who he knew. The legacy opportunity. This is fact. He had poor grades as a kid. Poor grades when graduating. How many kids from the inner city could've gotten that opportunity? NONE. So this is what I'm talking about. Affirmative action answers these problems.
mrcharlieblack 3 years ago
How do you know what gades he got? Where you his principal? Transcripts are classified. You dont know the grades bush got in school.Dont be silly, I mean I agree with you hes not the sharpest tool in the shed, but he's not the dullest either.
thejiggyjigga1 3 years ago
He was a C student in college, and a poor student in high school. This has been stated by classmates, and teachers. His college transcripts were looked at and talked about when he ran the first time. As well as the second. So google will tell you all about it
mrcharlieblack 3 years ago
many im sure, but your stating mostly opinions in that last post. My facts are simple. Hire the emplyee who is superior than the rest, in terms of skills, experience, background check, grades, achievements, character. etc. Come now Charlie, if your an employer dont you want the best employees out there. Or do you want a bunch of lazy losers who suck at everything they do
thejiggyjigga1 3 years ago
Your assumption is that anyone who gets a pass under affirmative action is lazy and has an arrest record. Think outside of the box. Think about how many people are denied employment without some kind of barrier that tells people to open their doors for everyone? In an ideal world your thinking works fine and I adopt that. We just don't live in an ideal world.
mrcharlieblack 3 years ago
See now your twisting reality in order to try and prove a fairy tale point. because I never said that everyone who gets a pass with affirmative action is a criminal or lazy.Thats your assumption, and you shouldn't assume because when you assume you make an ass out of you and me(ASSUME)
thejiggyjigga1 3 years ago
Reality is you dont know, thats all hearsay, Reality is you just don't know, only bush knows
thejiggyjigga1 3 years ago
So it's an assumption that only Bush knows he wasnt school smart. Hm....perhaps you need to utilize research tools. It's clear that you don't want to believe it so you try to dismiss the reality. It's not my opinion. IT's the opinion of many others. AND HIS TRANSCRIPTS.
mrcharlieblack 3 years ago
I assume your referring to Bush. Its difficult to argue he is an underachiever when the people unanimously voted him into power for not one but two terms.
thejiggyjigga1 3 years ago
Forget the fact that he claimed presidency because of where he came from not who he was as an individual. We're talking about his opportunities as governor and his opportunity to enter an Ivy League school. Then his chances to succeed with a sub par education. Would this have worked if it had been Obama or Hillary? I doubt it.
mrcharlieblack 3 years ago
so then you are agreeing with me in essence. Cuz Im saying let the best man or woman get the job.Allow people to compete for the job. Affirmative action diminishes that competitiveness. by giving jobs to less qualified people simply because they are black for example. When there may be a white person for example who applies for the same job as the black person, even though the white person may be better skilled, smarter, better gpa credentials and all around a superior fit for the job. example
thejiggyjigga1 3 years ago
Affirmative action doesn't diminish this. We have hard studies and research that tells us. When left to hire candidates to fill positions, the people at the top don't want Tyrone from the west side or Jose from the south. They prefer a candidate who looks like them and comes from a familiar area, regardless of how they do a job. Also if minorities are hired, they have less chances of advancing. And about arrest records, do you know how many blacks/hispanics are arrested w/ no conviction?
mrcharlieblack 3 years ago
It's not about better skilled or smarter, it's about people who play by the rules and aren't seeing the advantages. It's about rectifying the economic situation set in place by people who don't pick the best man for the job, sometimes they just picked the white man for the job. If people acted accordingly and picked the best people, affirmative action wouldn't be a topic. Since you have 90%+ of administrators, ceos, deans as white men....this tells you something.
mrcharlieblack 3 years ago
You make the work force and society in general less competitive, dumber and more lazy, when you higher less qualified,less educated, dumb, lazy peolpe. skin color and gender aside. It's basically survival of the fittest, that underlying competitive atmosphere that subliminally galvanizes peolpe to strive harder, study harder and work harder becomes diminished with affirmitive action. Simply because an employer has to meet a quota. It's unfair and it waters down the work force.
thejiggyjigga1 3 years ago
Hire* is the spelling. First, there is a difference between unqualified people being hired and qualified people from different backgrounds being hired. There are plenty of people who got jobs based on who they knew, still to this day this problem exists. They disenfranchise others who are studied and don't have the same opportunities based on their economic situation. BUSINESSES ARE FRATERNAL they hire people based on what school they went to not what they know. Look at Bush 43
mrcharlieblack 3 years ago
yea charlie totally disagree, If PERSON A goes to school studies hard graduates valedictorian gets a degree and strives hard, he or she should be considered for employment accordingly, regardless of skin color or gender. If PERSON B goes to school, jerks around, does not strive hard, does not study,gets a criminal record, obtains minimal gpa requirements because they are lazy, than this person should be considered for employment accordingly, regardless of skin color or gender.
thejiggyjigga1 3 years ago
An Ivy League underachiever who lived off of daddy's success to become president. The only reason he got into the school was because of his father. Meanwhile the people at the heads of these institutions hire who they feel comfortable with not based on their qualifications. There is direct racism, sexism, genderism and religious discrimination that CAN NOT be corrected on its own. It happens every day. Hence the Lilly Ledbetter Act just signed into play.
mrcharlieblack 3 years ago