we must learn to control the outflow of emotion it really can drain your body mentally as well as physically, could cost you in the end. all the adrenaline pumping through your body can be used up before you have a chance to do anything but that's just my opinion. peace to you all may your lives be blessed with all you desire, and may your discipline increase always.
the art has no discrimination you don't see the art lashing out at one another only the practitioner and i don't blame them, in today's society we all want to know how good we are but remember the damage the human body can deliver now imagine you know a martial art with just a little comprehension of the concepts, makes for a world of hurt. we must learn discipline and understanding, this is the difference between a novice and a down to earth martial artist. we must be humble. WE ALL ROCK PEOPLE
humble yourselves cause any martial arts form have there advantages not one is better than the other. it is all upon the practitioner to comprehend the concepts if you don't then that form becomes nothing but a set of step's unlearned.like reading a book and have no recall of what you just read. we aren't the weapon designed by the art the art is the weapon and we design it to suit our need's when we need it most.
@BJJANDKARATE This your comment to some dick... ".they train against fellow wing chun exponents not grapplers who really know how to take you down" Now who the one insulting Wing chun??? You insult wing chun then your insulting IP man and Bruce Lee.. Again i rest my case now go play your computer games or go practice rolling
@BJJANDKARATE Who said anything about me doing wing chun? Ip man fought ten best japanese top fighters and destroyed them all! You think one Bjj fighter gonna take them all on the ground and do love making?? i rest my case!
@bikerboyzful you really have shown yourself up with your mindless ranting ..lol .you challenged me to a fight...with gloves and protection knowing we would never meet..lmfao.i wouldn't need protection..but hey! you can wear it if it makes you happy! .whats it like inside the bubble you call home? maybe when you get out of your teens and finally grow up you will realize that you are just a little bit pathetic.please go to a bjj school somewhere and challenge one of them..might just shut you up
@oddjobjujitsu All talk and no action! Where your balls.. Is that why you stay and train in the gym because you know your safe with your fuck buddies rolling on the ground and having some pair of rules to set in the gym?? I said i''l wear gloves so i don't damage you more and end you in a coma so really start getting your head straight because your a bit of a mash potato in the head. like a HOOT HOOT in the head!
@BJJANDKARATE i have been trying to have this conversation with this clown for a while now....if he is happy to think he can stay standing with an elite grappler then i will leave him to his ideas.....let's just hope he don't get jumped by one huh? lol..but silly me he has taken on 5 people at once and kicked arse....my self i have never fought that many and would never care to....they train against fellow wing chun exponents not grapplers who really know how to take you down
@oddjobjujitsu Who the clown now moron?!?!? I can easily fix your answers with this but nah i'm not gonna make you go red in the face because in the end your the one who made yourself look like a real clown.. Read your comment again then think twice before writing it because the next comment i will write down the facts that gonna make you look like a natural fucken idiot.. Read your comments " And for the record you have insulted Ip man and Bruce lee n for the record i don't do wing chun turd!
@oddjobjujitsu Yeh silly you that you think i didn't take on 5 guys on my own.. that what happen in the real world you fag! and yes iv got cut on my forehead and bruises here and there n sore back but hey in the end i'm the one who kept coming back for more and in the end iv won! So make you look like a fucken idiot you are right about your Bjj style that the best thing for you is to learn to run! Bec Bjj don't last a chance in a fight with a bunch of guys so yeh u do that and run like a coward
@bikerboyzful ha ha now i know you have lost your marbles....no i don't live Australia ....so you turn a debate into a lose the plot rant...lmfao..how old are you? is your dad stronger than my dad too? i was having a debate with you and you decide to throw your toys out of the pram..name calling ? really?..good luck in your imaginary little world
@oddjobjujitsu Who the complaining little bitch from the beginning??? Its start with @..o.d.d.j.o.b.j.u.j.i.t.s.u
Your like a woman who on a heavy period.. You must have a three second memory because you don't even know what your talking about.. Seriously i'm trying to help you get your facts right but you rather be a tool and a natural fucken idiot! I'm sure your parent has fail you in life.. Please stay in Bjj school for the rest of your life and use protection and keep away from the street.
@oddjobjujitsu You were having a debate with me?? I didn't know you were since you were getting upset trying to put down wing chun??? Oh by the way.. No matter what come out of your mouth you will never learn anything!
You will always be that person which us people call you........"A BAD SEED" :)
I think BJJ has its place even in reality/street fights, based on what I know of it I wouldnt recommend it as a first line of defence, cos if your standing up its easier to deal with multiple threats & its easier to run away when you need to. But some knowledge of ground work is useful, cos a fight can easily end up on the floor and that shouldnt panic a good MA, learn some ground work even if its just how to get out of a grapple and/or back up on your feet quickly. But learn something else too.
@BJJANDKARATE That true if your outnumber by a group of people and you run.. but what if you got into a corner and trap???? You wouldnt do Bjj then now right???
Im saying you have more chance to hurt them by standing up and hitting them in the throat or poke thiers eyes or rip thiers flesh apart or stab them with your car key in awing chan style and i they will start freaky out.. If you lay a Bjj on the ground then your totally fucked! Bjj is good for one on one if your not fighting a pro fight.
@BJJANDKARATE You must be a very lucky person then and i wonder how you walk home blinded after he gouge your eyes out.. count yourself lucky he didnt have a group of his mates jumped on you :)
Yeah the striking doesn't seem to be based in a traditional Wing Chun base. It seems to be power oriented rather fluid motion base. The later half is Wing Chun, and that is awesome the first bit... well...
u think ur all that when ur only blue belt? hes been training in roger gracie academy and spar with much better people than your club. hes got his black belt from the world champion. how do you know his bjj is bad?
bjj is very useful in ring fight and i like this sport too.
but its the time to face the truth that bjj is not as good as wing chun in street fight or when you involved in a fight which is more than one opponent or facing a enemy with a knife...
BBJ is only fun for sport or good to learn for naked choke out but it not for street fight.. ill never do BBJ in a street fight since i end up getting kick in the head by another guy when i choke hold the guy to sleep.. wing chun is very good to quickly finish the fight off in a matter of second..
So your telling me from the sound of this comment you never had a street fight?? Lucky you havent had a street fight and i pray that i hope you never end up doing a Bjj in a street fight before you get seriously damage :)
Even tho if no one there, Bjj is not for street fight because if someone take me down the ground and do Bjj on me, there is no rules so ill bite his neck or poke my thumb in his eye and grab his nuts.. thye just don't get it.. Bjj is for sport or in cage with rules..
True.....There are misconceptions about BJJ being the ultimate fighting system for the Street. But in a cage as we know you have the luxury of tapping out or your apponent being disqulified for illegel moves like you said. On the street you can drive your car straight into someone and then shoot their friends in the head. You won't see that in a cage fight.
Cage fighting is just to show everybody how skillfull you are in your fighting descipline...one to one:)
hey, if u fight against some1 that know bjj, do u really think they will just spend time with you on side control, mount or back. they probably go crazy and start to ground and pound u. if ur talking about pure bjj with rules, they will play around with you. bjj fighters also know how to punch as well, i doubt u can be in a good position like mount, side control against a bjj fighter that spends hours and hours on the ground.
I agree with you that they wont just take you down but im saying Bjj as facts is not for street fight as it only for sports.. Wing chun is for street fight which last less than 5 second to finish them off when Bjj wont finish the fight asap.. and as a pro bjj i know ill never use my bjj skills in the street fight if im not aware how many friends this guy got around me?? I rather hit them in the throat and use wing chun skills..
just wondering have you ever done bjj before? i have done taekwondo, JKD, thai boxing, BJJ, MMA. not a master but i have spar with people that are higher rank like blackbelt. its nothing wow about them, maybe its because mcdojo. but what im saying is that theres not perfect style. u been practicing wing chun but have u actually used it in real fight? bjj is good for 1 on 1 situation, not for street fight. u kept saying its sport, have u ever been armbar? or triangle choke?
Yes iv trained at BBJ for 3 years.. i dont stick to one martial arts.. i go and try and learn all different martial arts.. and in my experience Not just wing chan but others kung fu system like black dragon kung fu, Choy Lee fut, Jeet Kune Do and many more can do more damage than a BBJ can... and to be honest iv never been really taken down by one.. only if i stand there and let them take me to the ground and let them choke me..
haha, never been taken down by people and u practice bjj for only 3 years? so what were u doing in three years, walk around and not going on the ground when u spar? have you spar with your instructor? who have you spar with? little kids? sorry, your club sucks and you suck because u cant even spell BJJ. Gracie family is from Rio which is one of the most dangerous cities with loads of street fights. rickson, ryan gracie always in street fights, how do you think they survived?
fail? u dont even state why. what are your facts? listen man, go to a bjj club and try it out. see for yourself. some concentrate on sports, some concentrate on self defense. what you see on the internet are sports. stop avoiding my questions u moron.
And seriously you just made me won my case since you said you never had a street fight because now im gonna put words in your mouth when your gonna feel so dumb since who the fuck would do Bjj in the street in the middle of the road on a hard cemet or concrete????? Did you think your gonna say to a guy in the street (oh wait let me go and get a mattress and put it down so we can have a tickle and laugh on it???? He will get a brick and smash your head or stab ya!
so ur the next kimbo? have bruce lee ever been to a street fight? not in a movie, in real life? has your instructor been to a street fight? have you been to a street fight? most of the instructors teaching the art of self defense, how many have them been to a real street fight? and u've been lying about doing bjj, i feel sorry for you because u had to lie so it made you looked cool you have done it before and no1 could take you down. and all the bullshit, u claimed that you won?
Seriously you are making a damn fool of yourself on here as you keep going over and over with the same question over and over and over when i already answers all your question.. Your not embarrassing me.. Your embarrassing yourself.. And now i know the truth that you SUCK and your clubs SUCK and all your teachers SUCK since you wasted all your money for nothing as you haven't really learn....NOTHING!
@yuenj01 Actually if you watch the documentary "How Bruce Lee Changed the World" You'll see that he was a street fighter, even while training under Ip Man. Get your facts straight, elaborate, then only can you start to hate... FTW
so i was right when u lie about doing bjj for 3 years because u were avoiding my questions. u always talk about street fight street fight. have you ever been to one? what do you think you are? gangsta? tbh, i have never been to a street fight. that doesn't mean i cant protect myself in a real fight. i fought with a guy dat did chinese kickboxing, his kick is strong, very strong. i took him down and choke the shit out of him.
I agree with you that they wont just take you down but im saying Bjj as facts is not for street fight as it only for sports.. Wing chun is for street fight which last less than 5 second to finish them off when Bjj wont finish the fight asap.. and as a pro bjj i know ill never use my bjj skills in the street fight if im not aware how many friends this guy got around me?? I rather hit them in the throat and use wing chun skills..
Plus if a Bjj is punching and kicking then its not a bjj sports then.. they are mixing it with boxing or mauy thai so as fact they have to learn to do others martial arts to keep them safe bec like i said....facts....BJJ....is.....not.....for....streetfight.....
are you mad? do you need to learn martial arts to know how to throw a punch? or a kick? if u mess with some1 random on the street that never do martial arts before, how do you think they will react? 'i never done martial arts before, lets stand still n let him beat the shit out of me'? u always talk about street fight, if its street fight, the best way to do is to run, you wouldn't know whos around and what they carry.
Like i said.. Never do BJJ in the street fight but wing chun on the other hand that if your in a positin where you cant run and have no choice your best to use those skills to hit in the throat or poke thiers eyes out and yes iv use my kung fu skill in the street fight and you have to master it since not many ppl understand it and they rather learn boxing or kickboxing because they want to stick to that style..
Plus if a Bjj is punching and kicking then its not a bjj sports then.. they are mixing it with boxing or mauy thai so as fact they have to learn to do others martial arts to keep them safe bec like i said....facts....BJJ....is.....not.....for....streetfight.....
@bikerboyzful They can do all those dirty tricks but they'll have the better position to do it, imagine if the get back control and then choose to bite off your ear, how would you stop them? Remember the gracies in action videos, Vale Tudo? The competitors could do that but they were unable to because the grapplers were better skilled and neutralized attempts at positioning to be able to gouge or bite. But I agree I wouldn't want to go to the ground in a street fight, but knowing BJJ can help.
@LuqmanNaq in real combat dirty tricks is a meaningless term amigo. BJJ has its uses but honestly outside of 1 on 1 fighting its very limited. I would personally use it mainly to get out of a ground situation and keep at them with my kung fu. Keep in mind even in Vale Tudo there were rules and things that werent allowed. Many classical styles arent useless in real combat but are so dangerous they cant be adapted for competition.(at least when taught by a real instructor to be fair.)
@Bastion83 Which classical styles? I can think of some that have effective techniques but their training methodology is very unrealistic, they don't train with aliveness. I think that most effective self defense systems can hold their own in a Vale Tudo match, I think that't true for competent students of Tony Blauer, Richard Dimitri, Geoff Thompson and other pioneers. Even Wing chun sifu Alan Orr teaches for self defence but has trained a british champion whose stand up is wing chun
@LuqmanNaq The ones the immeadiately come to mind are wing chun, Northern Shaolin, the Internal systems(Tai Chi, Ba Qua and Xing Yi, mainly just because of the sheer amount of time those three systems take) I mean honestly even classic Muay Thai (or Muay Thai Boran rather) had to be scaled back heavily for competition. To be honest my friend its not that these systems dont train liveness, its that they do it much later than other styles. which annoyed me too for the longest. They focus on heavy
@LuqmanNaq foundation work before they teach combat effectiveness which while annoying, makes the users quite capable in the end. Live well and train well. Any other comments I'd be happy to chat with you a bit. *bows*
@CarlitoJohnson I know BBJ choke or arm bars are good to learn.. only if your fighting in a one on one fight then that cool.. Im saying i wouldn't use BJJ in a brawl fights or 5 guys against me.. you try wasting your time armbaring one guy while 4 guys are kicking the fuck out of you big time.. so if a one on one then that cool and still i wouldn't do it in the middle of the hard road because you never know who behind you and if there any sharp objects.. Plus there are no mats as well..
@CarlitoJohnson Plus a BBJ fighters definitely will take you down the ground right?? well guess what?? you just put your self on a greatest risks to turn your back away from the real dangerous bec your more focusing trying to armbar or choke till he past out and that would take your eyes off the real dangerous at least more than 10 second..
@bikerboyzful aww c'mon.why do people always say they can do this or that if they get taken down by someone with bjj experience? .bjj can be used on the street...because they have stand up skills as well.they know how to clinch..they know how to throw now a street fight is normally just that..a guy off the street who is a brawler but has no real training .so what if he bites you while you have his arm...let's see him bite again once his arm is in pieces or he is asleep aftergetting choked out
@oddjobjujitsu can jujutsu be used on the street?yes and no it all depends,if you're talking about 1 guy then yes it "can" be used,that dosent necessarily mean that it will work because you dont know what the other guy is capable of,no realistic martial art works on its own...there are other factors as well,like falling hard on concrete or the friends of the other guy across the street joining the party as well,also...have you ever tried to clinch someone who holds a knife?
@dpapaioannow ground fighting isnt very applicable on the street,that dosent mean that you dont need ground skills,iam not saying that its useless,better know something well and never have to use then come to the situation that you have to use it and dont know shit about it,have the right tool for the right job and use everything according to the situation which changes in fractions of a second,striking is more applicable on the street because it takes less time and gives you more room to RUN!!
@oddjobjujitsu *is normally just that?a guy on the street who is a brawler but has no real training?so what if he bites you while you have his arm?*...ok how about if he knifes you?what if he headbash you?what if he's on cocaine or angeldust and dosent feel pain?what if he's a schizo?what if his all that plus having real training?what if...what if,too much calculations to make in andreanaline tense situation...better hit and run,your perception of things is simplistic and very dangerous
@dpapaioannow i fully understand your side of things..and all those scenarios apply to any martial art discipline .....if he has a knife then you are going to get cut no matter what..so best be on your toes and get the hell out of there...all i'm trying to say is that people dismiss grappling in a street fight....but why? my striking is not great..to be honest..it sucks lol..but in a fight with some guy in the street i'm quite happy to get close and contain the guy..
@oddjobjujitsu i dont dismiss it iam saying that's its risky for the obvious reasons i mentioned before(you dont necceseraly have to practise martial arts to understand that its just basic common sence)and takes time...you're quite happy to come close and contain the guy?how about he being quite happy to brake your bones with his striking before you even have the chance to touch him?why does your striking suck?why do you say that?what do you do about it?
@dpapaioannow street fighting to me is whatever works best.. i have been very lucky in my life and not had to be in too many of these situations ...i lead a quiet and happy family lifestyle....i don't drink or smoke or do drugs..which means i cut out a lot of scenarios for me to be in (pubs and clubs) i try not to put myself in a situation where some idiot with beer muscles or whatever decides he wants to prove himself....it's almost like a built in risk assessment ...to be continued
@dpapaioannow it has worked well for me in the past 10 years......but before that i did end up in a few scrapes...through no fault of my own..just being in the wrong place at the wrong time..but! each time i suffered no more than a small bump here or a grazed knee there.
and by using my judo background i was able to keep distance until i wanted to decide the outcome..when someone is thrown onto concrete very hard they get a huge surprise and each time this is what has happened
@oddjobjujitsu be a complete martial artist practise ALL forms of combat ALL RANGES...plus it wouldnt be bad to know how to use a knife and a stick or something,because personally i believe that if you know how these tools work you have a better knowledge of how to deal with them
@dpapaioannow once they are on the floor they are still trying to work out what the hell happened..i broke one guys collarbone from a throw ..another guy smashed his ankle after hitting the floor..it's like getting run over by a truck ..they don't tend to have much fight left in them after a big throw onto a hard floor...and the easiest throw i find and the one i use is nothing more than a simple head grab and a huge hip throw with me following straight on top..i can then get on my toes and run
@dpapaioannow i can punch...i just try not to get caught up in a fist fight...where someone might be better than me at it..i competed for many years at a high level at judo ..so i am confident in that part of my game holding up..my bjj game has improved in the past 5 years .just in case i ever do end up on my backside .....i think no matter what art you do..it gives you the confidence to be able to deal with many situations..and you just adapt and use what you are good at.striking or grappling
@dpapaioannow im not worried about the head butt because my head is not in his range....and it is all about containment , this is what grappling is all about..it's control ...once under my control i can do what i like...
@oddjobjujitsu street fighting is not about grappling only,basically grappling is better to be avoided in a street fight unless you are taken down,have you taken the other factors that i've mentioned before into consideration?or are you talking about a fighting sport with rules,regulations,limitations,time outs and a referee?...how can you talk about something that you havent even experienced?how can you make assumptions and conclusions for something that hasnt even taken place?
@oddjobjujitsu I'm not saying a one on one fight... What i'm trying to say is that i would not use it in the street because you never know who around you and they're arent never alone as they got mates around them all the time.. if you don't agree with me then go to maroubra beach n go n pick a fight with one guy there and then you will see what happen in the next few second when your on the ground trying to do"Bjj"
@bikerboyzful it does not matter what style you know if that is the case.....don't get into the argument in the first place.get on your toes and get the hell out of there..but i do understand what you are saying....i just think that there is no safe scenario that will work each time..every fight is different ..one fight you end up on your butt...the next you stay standing...when i throw someone hard..i'm not looking to stay on the ground with them...we all end up in the wrong scenario sometime
@oddjobjujitsu I'm getting confuse because your taking my line now?????
If you go back and read the others comment i was saying its not safe to Bjj in the street and the others were saying yes it safe and it the best which they don't even know what they talking about.. So your telling me you rather take a guy on the ground in the street? Or you rather use your hand and hit him in the throat or poke in the eye or legs or arms break while standing up and feel safe nd you got your back watched??
@bikerboyzful ha ha maybe im getting confused too lol.....what i am trying to say is ..because i am a trained grappler that is how i will deal with things....but !!! there is still the element that i will get put in a situation and i will be fucked....but this is the same with any art.....nothing is tailor suited we just adapt to the situation as best as we can...i admire wing chun and wish i had a striking art in my arsenal..but i just spent way too many years grappling .. to be cont
@bikerboyzful .. lo now your getting me confused....my whole point was people saying bjj is no good for the street...and most of those comments will have come from a guy who does not grapple....bjj is great in a street....it's not the be all and end all of course..but then nothing is...i'm just sticking up for the grapplers....i'm not here saying wing chun is no good or anything like that..because i'm not that stupid..i think these great arts stand you in good position in a street fight
@bikerboyzful and no art can deal with everything....we just use what we have...and hope we escape with all our bit's and pieces still attached to where thay should be...if we are attacked by more than 1 or 2 people then the odds are greatly against us..but every situation is different ..there is no set rule to say this will work or that won't...we just deal with it as it happens in our own specialized way..thats all....are we any clearer? lol prob not
@oddjobjujitsu I'm just trying to help you to get your facts right, bec what you said about no arts can deal with everything???? seriously? That a big word to put it on here mate!
And nah ill have to disagree with you about the "if we are attacked by more than 1 or 2 people then the odds are greatly against us" Because you can fight 1 against 5.. I'v seen and been there with this stuff and i'm telling you take a guy to the ground then you get your head kick the shit in. take care n i wish u luck
@bikerboyzful ok last reply from me as we are going round and round.....tell me an art that can deal with everything....i stand by what i said...no single art can do that.... and if it is 1 against 5 i rate both our arts as getting our backsides kicked...ok say you deal with 5 ...what happens say if you deal with 1 guy an elite grappler...who WILL take you down..mark my words he will...then you lose against only 1 guy...this is what i mean about no single art can deal with everything..peace!!
@oddjobjujitsu There you go again. You just made me laugh hard!
Ill repeat your answer you just given me about "what happens say if you deal with 1 guy an elite grappler.who WILL take you down.mark my words he will" That the problem with you people about thinking that any elite grappler will take down anybody right? did you ever though that there are elite fighter that learn not to get taken down the ground? i'll crack his head open with a elbow before he can even touch me bec i wont let him.
@oddjobjujitsu You have to come to an understanding which your still learning as i guess your not really an exp martial arts and my guess is that your one of those kind that think Bjj is the best in the world blah blah which make your head a bit of a mash potato bec Bjj dont just learn Bjj.. why you think THEY HAVE TO GO AND TRAIN AT OTHER SCHOOL??? like kickboxing or kung fu or boxing so really Bjj are studying from other school. Look at Jon Jones learning kung fu. silva anderson learnt kung fu
@bikerboyzful awww now you just got hurtfull..i never disrespected your art. just standing up for mine...i think holding a judo dan grade with many years of competition makes me kind of an expert ..don't you?.my bjj is improving all the time..yes if people want to learn standup they have to train elsewhere that is common sense ..i was never stating anything otherwise.i am not saying bjj is the best in the world and nor have i ever said that...it is just my preference like as wing chun is yours
@oddjobjujitsu Actually i think your getting upset with me on this because your getting a little carry away and getting a little angry that i'm trying to help you understand about the life of martial arts.. you stick to one grapplering right? to become the best you have to train as many martial arts gym.. not just one school..
@bikerboyzful when you fight..do you wear big red shoes....and big baggy trousers...and also have a big red nose? do you? ..can you guess what you are yet? honk honk!!
@oddjobjujitsu You just loss big time! Everyone gonna read these comment and see how much of a talk you are and no action! Your not even half the man your suppose to be! BE A MANNNNNNNNNNN! Go roll with your fuck buddy and have a little giggle you have. I'm sure that the reason why you join Bjj and think it the best for you.. But please keep your opinions to yourself as no body wanna know.
@bikerboyzful wow!! after listening to you way too many times i have finally realized what a complete idiot you really are.....it sounds like you have been in a coma with the crap you spew ..the only thing you beat is into a kleenex while looking at your sister..muppet..i would choke you out for fun then prob just dangle my balls on your chin like an alpha male marking his territory ..i own you bitch
@oddjobjujitsu Again i rest my case... EVERYONE Is reading your comment and can see that your all talk and no action.. Stay behind your comp because that when the only time your gonna be tough.. Iv offer to fight you and you refuse because you would know i'll smack the shit out of your face big time...
@bikerboyzful ha ha do you think you might be doing just that?..you offer to fight me because you live in australia and i live in england.wow you are tough..ok let's fight ..c'mon i'm waiting..well? you just keep flapping your lips that you want to fight me with the knowledge that it just not practical .. you are just being a big mouth behind a geographical wall..hey look !! if you are ever in the u.k..message me and i will be happy to send you back home a broken man if that is what you want?
@oddjobjujitsu Bhahahahahahahaha! you are really a pathetic loser!
I offer you to fight me and you made the choice not to fly here so in the end you refuse.. And if that ever happen.. You will never leave australia because you will be on a life support machine for a very long time.. then when you get better i'll crack your head open again to get back on the life support again.. PATHETIC!
@bikerboyzful wow !! you still crying over this? you are just too dumb to know when to quit....we go back and forth yakity yak getting nowhere ...you are not going to come here and i'm not going to go there...grow up ..stop wearing your mums clothing and makeup .and try to understand ..you live in a fantasy world...hey !! i will even let you get the last word in ..if that makes you feel better? because it is obviously getting to you ..that you keep losing the arguments..my work here is done!
Used to train wing chun under this guy, was always a bit dubious about using it in the real world, but always had respect for kevin cross training in bjj etc etc, good stuff.
the one who knows how to:striking,kicking,trapping,grappling is a very good fighter but him who knows how to enter in his opponents head and emotions is the best like bruce lee.
Do you have any videos of Master Kevin Chan performing Luk Dim Bun Gon, or Baat Jaam Dou? I would love to see a video or two of Master Kevin Chan performing those forms.
i go to a wing chun class and its so tough we do training including cruches push ups sit ups swats jumping swats burpeas and much more we learn feading techniques and im only 11 years old working with a bunch of young and old men
Why is it a Wing Chun practioner cross trains in 2 other arts (or more) and its assumed its because his Wing Chun is actually shit. Maybe its because he is open minded and knows that knowledsge of as many arts as possible is a good thing.
WC practioners get slagged off for not training anything else because they believe WC is the beast but when one does he gets slated. What a load of tossers some of you are.
VT problem is its teaching,training and pratictioneers,not the style itself.every striking style found troubles against ground work,so don't care too much about VT.Grapplers,I tell U,like to test against VT cause they know the low level its pratictioneers are,so this is not so good about courage...
Just to point out that these vids were done years ago when Kevin was just starting out at Muay Thai. I've been training MT casually for 6 years and Kevin Chan would whoop my ass in about ten seconds. Please note that these videos are not wing chun and not meant to be showing pure wing chun (hence the word cross training). Just to point out that Kevins training partner in the MT bit is a MMA practitioner who almost got into the UFC. They are not amateurs!!!
bad habbit i picked up in training is making effort sounds when striking, had an altercation one night and shortly afterwards i was told i made "issh" sounds while attacking. good thing i suppose was i only had to make 3.
people forget that the Ufc and what followed was a publicity stunt by the gracie family.
The art of ju-jitsu crushed the other fighters as expected.
Bare n.h.b. Wingchun was not allowed in and it still isnt. to use wingchun you have to be devoid of all thought or conciquence, rules make this impossible. On t.v.
you can,t have people poking the eyes then doing a (standing twist break) on some other guys neck and then punch the dying persons neck on the floor. not yet any way
Some of the comments on here begger belief. My styles better than yours, MMA is proven, Anderson Silva this blah blah blah
I like MMA but like boxing it has rules and everyone is doing basically the same thing, most MMA fighters are very well conditioned thats what makes them strong, a lot of skill goes out the window in these fights, they look scrappy. I train with Kamon and enjoy it, would I beat an MMA fighter, no, if I trained like one who knows though! Nothing is invincible
not kick boxing my friend, my boss who now trains Kamon and has been for the last 5 years is a black belt kick boxer. He conforms this is nothing like kick boxing.
Hello all, does anyone know what the techniques used starting at 4:07 are called during the blocking drill and followed by repeated punches to the opponents chest? Thanks!
I like your reply's and yes the MMA fights do have rules but the bjj, muay thai and wrestling have all abided by them and still competed, the fact that traditional chinese martial arts excuse themselves from competition because groin kicks and finger jabs are not aloud does not make sense because any of the MMA styles could easily do
this is the only video that includes wing chun that makes since. combined with other martial arts it can be useful.
knownpornographer 6 months ago in playlist Wing Chun
good school great training. nice to see
enzo5022 6 months ago in playlist Wing Chun
looks more like muay thai & bjj then wing chun? great training though! guy knows what hes doing for sure!
MetalSnakesUK 7 months ago
very good training.
MrSavoro2 9 months ago in playlist Wing Chun
Very good work. I find there is a very good mindset in the training and many energy.
furthermore the training is varied.
I wish you a good training.
bladerunner643 10 months ago
aids fucks more people up than martial arts training.
yulaw3 11 months ago
i wouldnt think much of his striking but grappling standard is excellent from kevin
billysue2 11 months ago
we must learn to control the outflow of emotion it really can drain your body mentally as well as physically, could cost you in the end. all the adrenaline pumping through your body can be used up before you have a chance to do anything but that's just my opinion. peace to you all may your lives be blessed with all you desire, and may your discipline increase always.
wingchun236 1 year ago
the art has no discrimination you don't see the art lashing out at one another only the practitioner and i don't blame them, in today's society we all want to know how good we are but remember the damage the human body can deliver now imagine you know a martial art with just a little comprehension of the concepts, makes for a world of hurt. we must learn discipline and understanding, this is the difference between a novice and a down to earth martial artist. we must be humble. WE ALL ROCK PEOPLE
wingchun236 1 year ago
humble yourselves cause any martial arts form have there advantages not one is better than the other. it is all upon the practitioner to comprehend the concepts if you don't then that form becomes nothing but a set of step's unlearned.like reading a book and have no recall of what you just read. we aren't the weapon designed by the art the art is the weapon and we design it to suit our need's when we need it most.
wingchun236 1 year ago
You're both a pair of losers argueing on the internet about who has the bigger "insert x here".
Does it really impact either of you who loses an arguement on the internet?
The internet... serious business.
Tinkeruk2010 1 year ago
@BJJANDKARATE This your comment to some dick... ".they train against fellow wing chun exponents not grapplers who really know how to take you down" Now who the one insulting Wing chun??? You insult wing chun then your insulting IP man and Bruce Lee.. Again i rest my case now go play your computer games or go practice rolling
bikerboyzful 1 year ago
@BJJANDKARATE Who said anything about me doing wing chun? Ip man fought ten best japanese top fighters and destroyed them all! You think one Bjj fighter gonna take them all on the ground and do love making?? i rest my case!
bikerboyzful 1 year ago
@bikerboyzful you really have shown yourself up with your mindless ranting ..lol .you challenged me to a fight...with gloves and protection knowing we would never meet..lmfao.i wouldn't need protection..but hey! you can wear it if it makes you happy! .whats it like inside the bubble you call home? maybe when you get out of your teens and finally grow up you will realize that you are just a little bit pathetic.please go to a bjj school somewhere and challenge one of them..might just shut you up
oddjobjujitsu 1 year ago
@oddjobjujitsu All talk and no action! Where your balls.. Is that why you stay and train in the gym because you know your safe with your fuck buddies rolling on the ground and having some pair of rules to set in the gym?? I said i''l wear gloves so i don't damage you more and end you in a coma so really start getting your head straight because your a bit of a mash potato in the head. like a HOOT HOOT in the head!
bikerboyzful 1 year ago
@BJJANDKARATE Yeh you learn to run that what your Bjj teaches you is to run.. Waste of money in my eye fool
bikerboyzful 1 year ago
@bikerboyzful you only have one eye?...sorry to hear that lol
oddjobjujitsu 1 year ago
@BJJANDKARATE i have been trying to have this conversation with this clown for a while now....if he is happy to think he can stay standing with an elite grappler then i will leave him to his ideas.....let's just hope he don't get jumped by one huh? lol..but silly me he has taken on 5 people at once and kicked arse....my self i have never fought that many and would never care to....they train against fellow wing chun exponents not grapplers who really know how to take you down
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@oddjobjujitsu Who the clown now moron?!?!? I can easily fix your answers with this but nah i'm not gonna make you go red in the face because in the end your the one who made yourself look like a real clown.. Read your comment again then think twice before writing it because the next comment i will write down the facts that gonna make you look like a natural fucken idiot.. Read your comments " And for the record you have insulted Ip man and Bruce lee n for the record i don't do wing chun turd!
bikerboyzful 1 year ago
@oddjobjujitsu Yeh silly you that you think i didn't take on 5 guys on my own.. that what happen in the real world you fag! and yes iv got cut on my forehead and bruises here and there n sore back but hey in the end i'm the one who kept coming back for more and in the end iv won! So make you look like a fucken idiot you are right about your Bjj style that the best thing for you is to learn to run! Bec Bjj don't last a chance in a fight with a bunch of guys so yeh u do that and run like a coward
bikerboyzful 1 year ago
@bikerboyzful ha ha now i know you have lost your marbles....no i don't live Australia ....so you turn a debate into a lose the plot rant...lmfao..how old are you? is your dad stronger than my dad too? i was having a debate with you and you decide to throw your toys out of the pram..name calling ? really?..good luck in your imaginary little world
oddjobjujitsu 1 year ago
@oddjobjujitsu Who the complaining little bitch from the beginning??? Its start with @..o.d.d.j.o.b.j.u.j.i.t.s.u
Your like a woman who on a heavy period.. You must have a three second memory because you don't even know what your talking about.. Seriously i'm trying to help you get your facts right but you rather be a tool and a natural fucken idiot! I'm sure your parent has fail you in life.. Please stay in Bjj school for the rest of your life and use protection and keep away from the street.
bikerboyzful 1 year ago
@oddjobjujitsu You were having a debate with me?? I didn't know you were since you were getting upset trying to put down wing chun??? Oh by the way.. No matter what come out of your mouth you will never learn anything!
You will always be that person which us people call you........"A BAD SEED" :)
bikerboyzful 1 year ago
How does the grading system work here? order of coloured sashes etc...
BuddhaZenMind 1 year ago
@BJJANDKARATE Kung fu the best :)
bikerboyzful 1 year ago
I think BJJ has its place even in reality/street fights, based on what I know of it I wouldnt recommend it as a first line of defence, cos if your standing up its easier to deal with multiple threats & its easier to run away when you need to. But some knowledge of ground work is useful, cos a fight can easily end up on the floor and that shouldnt panic a good MA, learn some ground work even if its just how to get out of a grapple and/or back up on your feet quickly. But learn something else too.
Donkyfishy 1 year ago
@BJJANDKARATE That true if your outnumber by a group of people and you run.. but what if you got into a corner and trap???? You wouldnt do Bjj then now right???
Im saying you have more chance to hurt them by standing up and hitting them in the throat or poke thiers eyes or rip thiers flesh apart or stab them with your car key in awing chan style and i they will start freaky out.. If you lay a Bjj on the ground then your totally fucked! Bjj is good for one on one if your not fighting a pro fight.
bikerboyzful 1 year ago
@BJJANDKARATE You must be a very lucky person then and i wonder how you walk home blinded after he gouge your eyes out.. count yourself lucky he didnt have a group of his mates jumped on you :)
bikerboyzful 1 year ago
wow, i gotta say ur striking technique is excellent
CarlitoJohnson 1 year ago
fcuk.....this is not really wing chun
zhihuizeng 1 year ago
Yeah the striking doesn't seem to be based in a traditional Wing Chun base. It seems to be power oriented rather fluid motion base. The later half is Wing Chun, and that is awesome the first bit... well...
ofarfo 1 year ago
excellent stuff brother.
ShadowWarrior8038 1 year ago
that s boxing not wing chun from china
maestroborracho2007 1 year ago
wing chun stand up
Bjj ground
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wckwoon 2 years ago
Brilliant , one of the best wing chun vids on youtube..I ony wish I had a club like yours near me.
golfuniform 2 years ago
How can a chinese guy know bjj? He do wang chun.
I will crush him with my bjj. I am a 4 stripe blue belt.
tomwalker389 2 years ago
@tomwalker389
u think ur all that when ur only blue belt? hes been training in roger gracie academy and spar with much better people than your club. hes got his black belt from the world champion. how do you know his bjj is bad?
yuenj01 1 year ago
@yuenj01
Because he's asian. Duh!
tomwalker389 1 year ago
@tomwalker389
hes asian but good enough to submit you my friend. wonder whos ur instructor, ur so ignorant and feel sorry for your club.
yuenj01 1 year ago
NICE!
tonyvalente 2 years ago
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Stupid chink. My BJJ will destroi him.
tomwalker389 2 years ago
@tomwalker389
hey my friend
bjj is very useful in ring fight and i like this sport too.
but its the time to face the truth that bjj is not as good as wing chun in street fight or when you involved in a fight which is more than one opponent or facing a enemy with a knife...
yin0625 2 years ago
You ignorant racist asshole, you give Martial Arts a bad name. Big toughguy on the web huh!
feek2000 2 years ago
@feek2000
My BJJ beats all!
tomwalker389 2 years ago
@tomwalker389
BBJ is only fun for sport or good to learn for naked choke out but it not for street fight.. ill never do BBJ in a street fight since i end up getting kick in the head by another guy when i choke hold the guy to sleep.. wing chun is very good to quickly finish the fight off in a matter of second..
bikerboyzful 2 years ago
There must be honor in street fight. I tell the friend to stand one side while I fight the first guy on the ground.
Wing Chun cannot match my BJJ.
tomwalker389 2 years ago
So your telling me from the sound of this comment you never had a street fight?? Lucky you havent had a street fight and i pray that i hope you never end up doing a Bjj in a street fight before you get seriously damage :)
bikerboyzful 2 years ago
Never had one yet. How did you guess? I am always prepared though. I roll everyday.
tomwalker389 2 years ago
The way you talk and think make me know that you never EXP a real fight.. Of cos you roll..
bikerboyzful 2 years ago
Of course I roll. I even tap out purples. You don't think I can handle myself in a real fight? People on the street don't know jiu-jitsu!
tomwalker389 2 years ago
@tomwalker389
You make me laugh
bikerboyzful 2 years ago
That's also a form of self-defence.
tomwalker389 2 years ago
Its actually the other way around.. Your Bjj cant touch my kung fu style.. you will never able to take me down before i drop you so kung fu beat all!
bikerboyzful 2 years ago
Your absolutely right, never take the fight to the ground on the Street, because you don't know who's standing behind you...
BuddhaZenMind 2 years ago
That right!
Even tho if no one there, Bjj is not for street fight because if someone take me down the ground and do Bjj on me, there is no rules so ill bite his neck or poke my thumb in his eye and grab his nuts.. thye just don't get it.. Bjj is for sport or in cage with rules..
bikerboyzful 2 years ago 3
True.....There are misconceptions about BJJ being the ultimate fighting system for the Street. But in a cage as we know you have the luxury of tapping out or your apponent being disqulified for illegel moves like you said. On the street you can drive your car straight into someone and then shoot their friends in the head. You won't see that in a cage fight.
Cage fighting is just to show everybody how skillfull you are in your fighting descipline...one to one:)
BuddhaZenMind 2 years ago
True!
That why wing chun is actaully good to use if you learn how to do it..
bikerboyzful 2 years ago
@bikerboyzful
hey, if u fight against some1 that know bjj, do u really think they will just spend time with you on side control, mount or back. they probably go crazy and start to ground and pound u. if ur talking about pure bjj with rules, they will play around with you. bjj fighters also know how to punch as well, i doubt u can be in a good position like mount, side control against a bjj fighter that spends hours and hours on the ground.
yuenj01 1 year ago
@yuenj01
I agree with you that they wont just take you down but im saying Bjj as facts is not for street fight as it only for sports.. Wing chun is for street fight which last less than 5 second to finish them off when Bjj wont finish the fight asap.. and as a pro bjj i know ill never use my bjj skills in the street fight if im not aware how many friends this guy got around me?? I rather hit them in the throat and use wing chun skills..
bikerboyzful 1 year ago
@bikerboyzful
just wondering have you ever done bjj before? i have done taekwondo, JKD, thai boxing, BJJ, MMA. not a master but i have spar with people that are higher rank like blackbelt. its nothing wow about them, maybe its because mcdojo. but what im saying is that theres not perfect style. u been practicing wing chun but have u actually used it in real fight? bjj is good for 1 on 1 situation, not for street fight. u kept saying its sport, have u ever been armbar? or triangle choke?
yuenj01 1 year ago
@yuenj01
Yes iv trained at BBJ for 3 years.. i dont stick to one martial arts.. i go and try and learn all different martial arts.. and in my experience Not just wing chan but others kung fu system like black dragon kung fu, Choy Lee fut, Jeet Kune Do and many more can do more damage than a BBJ can... and to be honest iv never been really taken down by one.. only if i stand there and let them take me to the ground and let them choke me..
bikerboyzful 1 year ago
@bikerboyzful
haha, never been taken down by people and u practice bjj for only 3 years? so what were u doing in three years, walk around and not going on the ground when u spar? have you spar with your instructor? who have you spar with? little kids? sorry, your club sucks and you suck because u cant even spell BJJ. Gracie family is from Rio which is one of the most dangerous cities with loads of street fights. rickson, ryan gracie always in street fights, how do you think they survived?
yuenj01 1 year ago
@yuenj01
Yet again... your words of opinion has....FAILURE!
Your wasting my time because your common sense is going off the tracks when im talking
FACTS here!
Ill let you keep keep your opinions since you got a long way to go.
bikerboyzful 1 year ago
@bikerboyzful
fail? u dont even state why. what are your facts? listen man, go to a bjj club and try it out. see for yourself. some concentrate on sports, some concentrate on self defense. what you see on the internet are sports. stop avoiding my questions u moron.
yuenj01 1 year ago
@yuenj01
And seriously you just made me won my case since you said you never had a street fight because now im gonna put words in your mouth when your gonna feel so dumb since who the fuck would do Bjj in the street in the middle of the road on a hard cemet or concrete????? Did you think your gonna say to a guy in the street (oh wait let me go and get a mattress and put it down so we can have a tickle and laugh on it???? He will get a brick and smash your head or stab ya!
bikerboyzful 1 year ago
@bikerboyzful
so ur the next kimbo? have bruce lee ever been to a street fight? not in a movie, in real life? has your instructor been to a street fight? have you been to a street fight? most of the instructors teaching the art of self defense, how many have them been to a real street fight? and u've been lying about doing bjj, i feel sorry for you because u had to lie so it made you looked cool you have done it before and no1 could take you down. and all the bullshit, u claimed that you won?
yuenj01 1 year ago
@yuenj01
Seriously you are making a damn fool of yourself on here as you keep going over and over with the same question over and over and over when i already answers all your question.. Your not embarrassing me.. Your embarrassing yourself.. And now i know the truth that you SUCK and your clubs SUCK and all your teachers SUCK since you wasted all your money for nothing as you haven't really learn....NOTHING!
bikerboyzful 1 year ago
@yuenj01 Actually if you watch the documentary "How Bruce Lee Changed the World" You'll see that he was a street fighter, even while training under Ip Man. Get your facts straight, elaborate, then only can you start to hate... FTW
ospina86 1 year ago
@yuenj01
And i believed that you never in your whole life had a real street fight when your live is on the line.. I doubt it!
bikerboyzful 1 year ago
@bikerboyzful
so i was right when u lie about doing bjj for 3 years because u were avoiding my questions. u always talk about street fight street fight. have you ever been to one? what do you think you are? gangsta? tbh, i have never been to a street fight. that doesn't mean i cant protect myself in a real fight. i fought with a guy dat did chinese kickboxing, his kick is strong, very strong. i took him down and choke the shit out of him.
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@yuenj01
I agree with you that they wont just take you down but im saying Bjj as facts is not for street fight as it only for sports.. Wing chun is for street fight which last less than 5 second to finish them off when Bjj wont finish the fight asap.. and as a pro bjj i know ill never use my bjj skills in the street fight if im not aware how many friends this guy got around me?? I rather hit them in the throat and use wing chun skills..
bikerboyzful 1 year ago
@yuenj01
Plus if a Bjj is punching and kicking then its not a bjj sports then.. they are mixing it with boxing or mauy thai so as fact they have to learn to do others martial arts to keep them safe bec like i said....facts....BJJ....is.....not.....for....streetfight.....
bikerboyzful 1 year ago
@bikerboyzful
are you mad? do you need to learn martial arts to know how to throw a punch? or a kick? if u mess with some1 random on the street that never do martial arts before, how do you think they will react? 'i never done martial arts before, lets stand still n let him beat the shit out of me'? u always talk about street fight, if its street fight, the best way to do is to run, you wouldn't know whos around and what they carry.
yuenj01 1 year ago
@yuenj01
Like i said.. Never do BJJ in the street fight but wing chun on the other hand that if your in a positin where you cant run and have no choice your best to use those skills to hit in the throat or poke thiers eyes out and yes iv use my kung fu skill in the street fight and you have to master it since not many ppl understand it and they rather learn boxing or kickboxing because they want to stick to that style..
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Plus if a Bjj is punching and kicking then its not a bjj sports then.. they are mixing it with boxing or mauy thai so as fact they have to learn to do others martial arts to keep them safe bec like i said....facts....BJJ....is.....not.....for....streetfight.....
bikerboyzful 1 year ago
@bikerboyzful They can do all those dirty tricks but they'll have the better position to do it, imagine if the get back control and then choose to bite off your ear, how would you stop them? Remember the gracies in action videos, Vale Tudo? The competitors could do that but they were unable to because the grapplers were better skilled and neutralized attempts at positioning to be able to gouge or bite. But I agree I wouldn't want to go to the ground in a street fight, but knowing BJJ can help.
LuqmanNaq 1 year ago
@LuqmanNaq in real combat dirty tricks is a meaningless term amigo. BJJ has its uses but honestly outside of 1 on 1 fighting its very limited. I would personally use it mainly to get out of a ground situation and keep at them with my kung fu. Keep in mind even in Vale Tudo there were rules and things that werent allowed. Many classical styles arent useless in real combat but are so dangerous they cant be adapted for competition.(at least when taught by a real instructor to be fair.)
Bastion83 1 year ago
@Bastion83 Which classical styles? I can think of some that have effective techniques but their training methodology is very unrealistic, they don't train with aliveness. I think that most effective self defense systems can hold their own in a Vale Tudo match, I think that't true for competent students of Tony Blauer, Richard Dimitri, Geoff Thompson and other pioneers. Even Wing chun sifu Alan Orr teaches for self defence but has trained a british champion whose stand up is wing chun
LuqmanNaq 1 year ago
@LuqmanNaq The ones the immeadiately come to mind are wing chun, Northern Shaolin, the Internal systems(Tai Chi, Ba Qua and Xing Yi, mainly just because of the sheer amount of time those three systems take) I mean honestly even classic Muay Thai (or Muay Thai Boran rather) had to be scaled back heavily for competition. To be honest my friend its not that these systems dont train liveness, its that they do it much later than other styles. which annoyed me too for the longest. They focus on heavy
Bastion83 1 year ago
@LuqmanNaq foundation work before they teach combat effectiveness which while annoying, makes the users quite capable in the end. Live well and train well. Any other comments I'd be happy to chat with you a bit. *bows*
Bastion83 1 year ago
@bikerboyzful well...at last bjj will break every bone in ur body
if u think a bjj fighter couldnt handle u on the street, u are sorely mistaking
perhaps he is ALSO aware that in a no rules situation u will try to do those things
believe me, its not as effective as it sounds, he will get passed that and deliver armbars
you wont be thinking about that anymore, once u are joint-locked
CarlitoJohnson 1 year ago
@CarlitoJohnson I know BBJ choke or arm bars are good to learn.. only if your fighting in a one on one fight then that cool.. Im saying i wouldn't use BJJ in a brawl fights or 5 guys against me.. you try wasting your time armbaring one guy while 4 guys are kicking the fuck out of you big time.. so if a one on one then that cool and still i wouldn't do it in the middle of the hard road because you never know who behind you and if there any sharp objects.. Plus there are no mats as well..
bikerboyzful 1 year ago
@CarlitoJohnson Plus a BBJ fighters definitely will take you down the ground right?? well guess what?? you just put your self on a greatest risks to turn your back away from the real dangerous bec your more focusing trying to armbar or choke till he past out and that would take your eyes off the real dangerous at least more than 10 second..
bikerboyzful 1 year ago
@bikerboyzful a bjj fighter does not have to take the fight to the ground
a fight ends up on the ground anyways
he can wait for u to attack, then he will close the distance, clinch, and take you down
it doesnt matter if he is on bottom then, you will never get out of his guard
CarlitoJohnson 1 year ago
@CarlitoJohnson :)
bikerboyzful 1 year ago
@bikerboyzful aww c'mon.why do people always say they can do this or that if they get taken down by someone with bjj experience? .bjj can be used on the street...because they have stand up skills as well.they know how to clinch..they know how to throw now a street fight is normally just that..a guy off the street who is a brawler but has no real training .so what if he bites you while you have his arm...let's see him bite again once his arm is in pieces or he is asleep aftergetting choked out
oddjobjujitsu 1 year ago
@oddjobjujitsu can jujutsu be used on the street?yes and no it all depends,if you're talking about 1 guy then yes it "can" be used,that dosent necessarily mean that it will work because you dont know what the other guy is capable of,no realistic martial art works on its own...there are other factors as well,like falling hard on concrete or the friends of the other guy across the street joining the party as well,also...have you ever tried to clinch someone who holds a knife?
dpapaioannow 1 year ago
@dpapaioannow ground fighting isnt very applicable on the street,that dosent mean that you dont need ground skills,iam not saying that its useless,better know something well and never have to use then come to the situation that you have to use it and dont know shit about it,have the right tool for the right job and use everything according to the situation which changes in fractions of a second,striking is more applicable on the street because it takes less time and gives you more room to RUN!!
dpapaioannow 1 year ago
@oddjobjujitsu *is normally just that?a guy on the street who is a brawler but has no real training?so what if he bites you while you have his arm?*...ok how about if he knifes you?what if he headbash you?what if he's on cocaine or angeldust and dosent feel pain?what if he's a schizo?what if his all that plus having real training?what if...what if,too much calculations to make in andreanaline tense situation...better hit and run,your perception of things is simplistic and very dangerous
dpapaioannow 1 year ago
@dpapaioannow i fully understand your side of things..and all those scenarios apply to any martial art discipline .....if he has a knife then you are going to get cut no matter what..so best be on your toes and get the hell out of there...all i'm trying to say is that people dismiss grappling in a street fight....but why? my striking is not great..to be honest..it sucks lol..but in a fight with some guy in the street i'm quite happy to get close and contain the guy..
oddjobjujitsu 1 year ago
@oddjobjujitsu i dont dismiss it iam saying that's its risky for the obvious reasons i mentioned before(you dont necceseraly have to practise martial arts to understand that its just basic common sence)and takes time...you're quite happy to come close and contain the guy?how about he being quite happy to brake your bones with his striking before you even have the chance to touch him?why does your striking suck?why do you say that?what do you do about it?
dpapaioannow 1 year ago
@dpapaioannow street fighting to me is whatever works best.. i have been very lucky in my life and not had to be in too many of these situations ...i lead a quiet and happy family lifestyle....i don't drink or smoke or do drugs..which means i cut out a lot of scenarios for me to be in (pubs and clubs) i try not to put myself in a situation where some idiot with beer muscles or whatever decides he wants to prove himself....it's almost like a built in risk assessment ...to be continued
oddjobjujitsu 1 year ago
@oddjobjujitsu NOTHING can be dissmissed on a street fight,for the simplest of reasons because on the street ANYTHING GOES
dpapaioannow 1 year ago
@dpapaioannow it has worked well for me in the past 10 years......but before that i did end up in a few scrapes...through no fault of my own..just being in the wrong place at the wrong time..but! each time i suffered no more than a small bump here or a grazed knee there.
and by using my judo background i was able to keep distance until i wanted to decide the outcome..when someone is thrown onto concrete very hard they get a huge surprise and each time this is what has happened
oddjobjujitsu 1 year ago
@oddjobjujitsu be a complete martial artist practise ALL forms of combat ALL RANGES...plus it wouldnt be bad to know how to use a knife and a stick or something,because personally i believe that if you know how these tools work you have a better knowledge of how to deal with them
dpapaioannow 1 year ago
@dpapaioannow once they are on the floor they are still trying to work out what the hell happened..i broke one guys collarbone from a throw ..another guy smashed his ankle after hitting the floor..it's like getting run over by a truck ..they don't tend to have much fight left in them after a big throw onto a hard floor...and the easiest throw i find and the one i use is nothing more than a simple head grab and a huge hip throw with me following straight on top..i can then get on my toes and run
oddjobjujitsu 1 year ago
@dpapaioannow i can punch...i just try not to get caught up in a fist fight...where someone might be better than me at it..i competed for many years at a high level at judo ..so i am confident in that part of my game holding up..my bjj game has improved in the past 5 years .just in case i ever do end up on my backside .....i think no matter what art you do..it gives you the confidence to be able to deal with many situations..and you just adapt and use what you are good at.striking or grappling
oddjobjujitsu 1 year ago
@dpapaioannow im not worried about the head butt because my head is not in his range....and it is all about containment , this is what grappling is all about..it's control ...once under my control i can do what i like...
oddjobjujitsu 1 year ago
@oddjobjujitsu street fighting is not about grappling only,basically grappling is better to be avoided in a street fight unless you are taken down,have you taken the other factors that i've mentioned before into consideration?or are you talking about a fighting sport with rules,regulations,limitations,time outs and a referee?...how can you talk about something that you havent even experienced?how can you make assumptions and conclusions for something that hasnt even taken place?
dpapaioannow 1 year ago
@oddjobjujitsu I'm not saying a one on one fight... What i'm trying to say is that i would not use it in the street because you never know who around you and they're arent never alone as they got mates around them all the time.. if you don't agree with me then go to maroubra beach n go n pick a fight with one guy there and then you will see what happen in the next few second when your on the ground trying to do"Bjj"
bikerboyzful 1 year ago
@bikerboyzful it does not matter what style you know if that is the case.....don't get into the argument in the first place.get on your toes and get the hell out of there..but i do understand what you are saying....i just think that there is no safe scenario that will work each time..every fight is different ..one fight you end up on your butt...the next you stay standing...when i throw someone hard..i'm not looking to stay on the ground with them...we all end up in the wrong scenario sometime
oddjobjujitsu 1 year ago
@oddjobjujitsu I'm getting confuse because your taking my line now?????
If you go back and read the others comment i was saying its not safe to Bjj in the street and the others were saying yes it safe and it the best which they don't even know what they talking about.. So your telling me you rather take a guy on the ground in the street? Or you rather use your hand and hit him in the throat or poke in the eye or legs or arms break while standing up and feel safe nd you got your back watched??
bikerboyzful 1 year ago
@bikerboyzful ha ha maybe im getting confused too lol.....what i am trying to say is ..because i am a trained grappler that is how i will deal with things....but !!! there is still the element that i will get put in a situation and i will be fucked....but this is the same with any art.....nothing is tailor suited we just adapt to the situation as best as we can...i admire wing chun and wish i had a striking art in my arsenal..but i just spent way too many years grappling .. to be cont
oddjobjujitsu 1 year ago
@bikerboyzful .. lo now your getting me confused....my whole point was people saying bjj is no good for the street...and most of those comments will have come from a guy who does not grapple....bjj is great in a street....it's not the be all and end all of course..but then nothing is...i'm just sticking up for the grapplers....i'm not here saying wing chun is no good or anything like that..because i'm not that stupid..i think these great arts stand you in good position in a street fight
oddjobjujitsu 1 year ago
@bikerboyzful and no art can deal with everything....we just use what we have...and hope we escape with all our bit's and pieces still attached to where thay should be...if we are attacked by more than 1 or 2 people then the odds are greatly against us..but every situation is different ..there is no set rule to say this will work or that won't...we just deal with it as it happens in our own specialized way..thats all....are we any clearer? lol prob not
oddjobjujitsu 1 year ago
@oddjobjujitsu I'm just trying to help you to get your facts right, bec what you said about no arts can deal with everything???? seriously? That a big word to put it on here mate!
And nah ill have to disagree with you about the "if we are attacked by more than 1 or 2 people then the odds are greatly against us" Because you can fight 1 against 5.. I'v seen and been there with this stuff and i'm telling you take a guy to the ground then you get your head kick the shit in. take care n i wish u luck
bikerboyzful 1 year ago
@bikerboyzful ok last reply from me as we are going round and round.....tell me an art that can deal with everything....i stand by what i said...no single art can do that.... and if it is 1 against 5 i rate both our arts as getting our backsides kicked...ok say you deal with 5 ...what happens say if you deal with 1 guy an elite grappler...who WILL take you down..mark my words he will...then you lose against only 1 guy...this is what i mean about no single art can deal with everything..peace!!
oddjobjujitsu 1 year ago
@oddjobjujitsu There you go again. You just made me laugh hard!
Ill repeat your answer you just given me about "what happens say if you deal with 1 guy an elite grappler.who WILL take you down.mark my words he will" That the problem with you people about thinking that any elite grappler will take down anybody right? did you ever though that there are elite fighter that learn not to get taken down the ground? i'll crack his head open with a elbow before he can even touch me bec i wont let him.
bikerboyzful 1 year ago
@oddjobjujitsu You have to come to an understanding which your still learning as i guess your not really an exp martial arts and my guess is that your one of those kind that think Bjj is the best in the world blah blah which make your head a bit of a mash potato bec Bjj dont just learn Bjj.. why you think THEY HAVE TO GO AND TRAIN AT OTHER SCHOOL??? like kickboxing or kung fu or boxing so really Bjj are studying from other school. Look at Jon Jones learning kung fu. silva anderson learnt kung fu
bikerboyzful 1 year ago
@bikerboyzful awww now you just got hurtfull..i never disrespected your art. just standing up for mine...i think holding a judo dan grade with many years of competition makes me kind of an expert ..don't you?.my bjj is improving all the time..yes if people want to learn standup they have to train elsewhere that is common sense ..i was never stating anything otherwise.i am not saying bjj is the best in the world and nor have i ever said that...it is just my preference like as wing chun is yours
oddjobjujitsu 1 year ago
@oddjobjujitsu Actually i think your getting upset with me on this because your getting a little carry away and getting a little angry that i'm trying to help you understand about the life of martial arts.. you stick to one grapplering right? to become the best you have to train as many martial arts gym.. not just one school..
bikerboyzful 1 year ago
@bikerboyzful when you fight..do you wear big red shoes....and big baggy trousers...and also have a big red nose? do you? ..can you guess what you are yet? honk honk!!
oddjobjujitsu 1 year ago
@oddjobjujitsu You just loss big time! Everyone gonna read these comment and see how much of a talk you are and no action! Your not even half the man your suppose to be! BE A MANNNNNNNNNNN! Go roll with your fuck buddy and have a little giggle you have. I'm sure that the reason why you join Bjj and think it the best for you.. But please keep your opinions to yourself as no body wanna know.
bikerboyzful 1 year ago
@bikerboyzful wow!! after listening to you way too many times i have finally realized what a complete idiot you really are.....it sounds like you have been in a coma with the crap you spew ..the only thing you beat is into a kleenex while looking at your sister..muppet..i would choke you out for fun then prob just dangle my balls on your chin like an alpha male marking his territory ..i own you bitch
oddjobjujitsu 1 year ago
@oddjobjujitsu Again i rest my case... EVERYONE Is reading your comment and can see that your all talk and no action.. Stay behind your comp because that when the only time your gonna be tough.. Iv offer to fight you and you refuse because you would know i'll smack the shit out of your face big time...
bikerboyzful 1 year ago
@bikerboyzful ha ha do you think you might be doing just that?..you offer to fight me because you live in australia and i live in england.wow you are tough..ok let's fight ..c'mon i'm waiting..well? you just keep flapping your lips that you want to fight me with the knowledge that it just not practical .. you are just being a big mouth behind a geographical wall..hey look !! if you are ever in the u.k..message me and i will be happy to send you back home a broken man if that is what you want?
oddjobjujitsu 1 year ago
@oddjobjujitsu Bhahahahahahahaha! you are really a pathetic loser!
I offer you to fight me and you made the choice not to fly here so in the end you refuse.. And if that ever happen.. You will never leave australia because you will be on a life support machine for a very long time.. then when you get better i'll crack your head open again to get back on the life support again.. PATHETIC!
bikerboyzful 1 year ago
@bikerboyzful wow !! you still crying over this? you are just too dumb to know when to quit....we go back and forth yakity yak getting nowhere ...you are not going to come here and i'm not going to go there...grow up ..stop wearing your mums clothing and makeup .and try to understand ..you live in a fantasy world...hey !! i will even let you get the last word in ..if that makes you feel better? because it is obviously getting to you ..that you keep losing the arguments..my work here is done!
oddjobjujitsu 1 year ago
@oddjobjujitsu Your simply too sad! I'm glad i'm not you..
bikerboyzful 1 year ago
Wow that was amazing!!!!!
souljabarb 2 years ago
cool stuff, cross training is key and has been for centuries, etc, great to see some of your stuff your a hard worker for sure
shifudan 2 years ago
explosive kicks man! nicee
VNPrince 2 years ago
EXCELLENT TRAINING.
ASSBANG6969 2 years ago
Used to train wing chun under this guy, was always a bit dubious about using it in the real world, but always had respect for kevin cross training in bjj etc etc, good stuff.
mjh34mjh34 2 years ago
the one who knows how to:striking,kicking,trapping,grappling is a very good fighter but him who knows how to enter in his opponents head and emotions is the best like bruce lee.
chaos1hell2 2 years ago 2
Do you have any videos of Master Kevin Chan performing Luk Dim Bun Gon, or Baat Jaam Dou? I would love to see a video or two of Master Kevin Chan performing those forms.
bgcorporation 2 years ago
Excellent training for all kinds of fighting and situations.
RichhhR 2 years ago
i know this is WT but in this clip it looks like MUAY THAI
CrazyAxelStyle 2 years ago
cross training
appleseed101 2 years ago
You're right, most of it is wing chun plus some muay thai (like) and jujutsu sparring.
Defsolid 2 years ago
1.142-1.47=nasty
jaygmui 2 years ago
in 4.12 is to slow to punch and kip punching
gabewtvt 2 years ago
Nice work! Good job guys!
bervlit 2 years ago 2
Excellent!!!
wt333wt 2 years ago
Who are you talking to darkside?
KungFuKing166 2 years ago
amazing, great video!
mgmorrey 3 years ago
deckung oben lassen beim kicken
h1ghnezz 3 years ago
impressive
DJtheNigel 3 years ago
rolling on the floor is bjj and its important to know ground work. btw wing chun is the most offensive close combat ma. u lack ma knowledge fool
KILLERZ0000 3 years ago
i go to a wing chun class and its so tough we do training including cruches push ups sit ups swats jumping swats burpeas and much more we learn feading techniques and im only 11 years old working with a bunch of young and old men
jamiejjw 3 years ago
Why is it a Wing Chun practioner cross trains in 2 other arts (or more) and its assumed its because his Wing Chun is actually shit. Maybe its because he is open minded and knows that knowledsge of as many arts as possible is a good thing.
WC practioners get slagged off for not training anything else because they believe WC is the beast but when one does he gets slated. What a load of tossers some of you are.
feek2000 3 years ago 2
VT problem is its teaching,training and pratictioneers,not the style itself.every striking style found troubles against ground work,so don't care too much about VT.Grapplers,I tell U,like to test against VT cause they know the low level its pratictioneers are,so this is not so good about courage...
acquafredda75 2 years ago
Just to point out that these vids were done years ago when Kevin was just starting out at Muay Thai. I've been training MT casually for 6 years and Kevin Chan would whoop my ass in about ten seconds. Please note that these videos are not wing chun and not meant to be showing pure wing chun (hence the word cross training). Just to point out that Kevins training partner in the MT bit is a MMA practitioner who almost got into the UFC. They are not amateurs!!!
KungFuKing166 3 years ago
not bad,but striking with elbow from long range is not too clever,elbow is a short range wepon.peace
arpadisle 3 years ago
bad habbit i picked up in training is making effort sounds when striking, had an altercation one night and shortly afterwards i was told i made "issh" sounds while attacking. good thing i suppose was i only had to make 3.
qotsaandsoadfan1 3 years ago
from 2:30 and onwards, everything is WT
Saddguy 3 years ago 2
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KungFuKing166 3 years ago
Looks like kickboxing, not Wing Chun.
Sonny2170 3 years ago
How is Kevin Chan the most Lethal martial artist in the world? How many people has he Killed?
akjunkie 3 years ago
59 last time i checked
wingchunguy 3 years ago
holy shit
SpaceGhosty33 3 years ago
woops my bad. i see the wing chun >=D
haha
AznSketchKid 3 years ago
This looks pretty good..good work guys.
aks73 3 years ago
people forget that the Ufc and what followed was a publicity stunt by the gracie family.
The art of ju-jitsu crushed the other fighters as expected.
Bare n.h.b. Wingchun was not allowed in and it still isnt. to use wingchun you have to be devoid of all thought or conciquence, rules make this impossible. On t.v.
you can,t have people poking the eyes then doing a (standing twist break) on some other guys neck and then punch the dying persons neck on the floor. not yet any way
robjbray 3 years ago
Kevin he is awesome !!!!
kravmagiczka 3 years ago
Some of the comments on here begger belief. My styles better than yours, MMA is proven, Anderson Silva this blah blah blah
I like MMA but like boxing it has rules and everyone is doing basically the same thing, most MMA fighters are very well conditioned thats what makes them strong, a lot of skill goes out the window in these fights, they look scrappy. I train with Kamon and enjoy it, would I beat an MMA fighter, no, if I trained like one who knows though! Nothing is invincible
feek2000 3 years ago
well the whole position is wrong, i think.where is the central line?
ChrisaCeltic 3 years ago
(frank what)
wiiire 3 years ago
not kick boxing my friend, my boss who now trains Kamon and has been for the last 5 years is a black belt kick boxer. He conforms this is nothing like kick boxing.
randeep87 3 years ago
Hello all, does anyone know what the techniques used starting at 4:07 are called during the blocking drill and followed by repeated punches to the opponents chest? Thanks!
frankwhat 3 years ago
Lok Sao
wiiire 3 years ago
Thank you wiiire, it's appreciated!
frankwhat 3 years ago
I like your reply's and yes the MMA fights do have rules but the bjj, muay thai and wrestling have all abided by them and still competed, the fact that traditional chinese martial arts excuse themselves from competition because groin kicks and finger jabs are not aloud does not make sense because any of the MMA styles could easily do
that. I HAVE TO SEE THINGS FIRST TO BELEIVE
THEM AND I HAVE NOT SEEN WING CHUN IN THE
OCTAGON!thats all