A little case study in hypocrisy featuring Barack Obama

[AllThatKnowHow]

The situations are different, so I feel the comments made where honest. please email the comments to bocltd@yahoo.com. many thanks 

[SuperClagnut]

yadayada... so you change the words and the entire sentiment. You are a first class pig/monkey...

[paradisesilk]

The American Indians were savages, everyone likes to think they were these peace pipe smoking, vegetarians; but in reality they would wage bloody wars with neighboring tribes. The saw the Europeans as another competing tribe and conducted night raids and all out wars on settlements. The brutality is well documented, disembowelment, limbs hacked off by hatchet, cannibalism.

Sure there were peaceful tribes just like the are peaceful Palestinians, but dont deny there are terrorist amongst them.

[Catatofish]

Man the world is fuced up. Why can't everyone just play cricket and get along? If that can't happen we need a massive meteor come along, wipe us out and then start over again because humanity is fucked up and it's all because of religion. What a fucked up thing it is and has turned us all into.

[perfectchronic]

@Catatofish no what we need is an alien race to invade Earth. That would bring the people together.Use weapons against another hostile alien species, instead of killing each other. lmao

[alex30085]

obama aint god, nobody can bring peace on these idiots in middle east both israel and arabs. u r problematic all of u living over there.

[shammy209]

great analysis.

[Shembeatz]

take a look on middle est map, how big is israel compared to syria, iran,iraq, gaza, egypt eta.. all those arab countries are against the existence of israel.

now you tell me who have the power? Israel has US backup but in the middle east the Arabs are bigger and stronger than anybody, if you think the arabs are like the native americans you should learn more about the situation in the middle east, right now you are ignorant

[Staubdumm]

Dude, if you really think that the size of the country has to do with its power than you surely think that Greenland is a very powerful country too, right?

[Shembeatz]

lol man, obviously it's not only about the land. it's also about population, greenland has what? 60,000 people?

arab population combined is like 325 million people.. jewish population all over the word is no more than 13.2 million!

we jewish people as a nation (not as a religion, I'm secular) have to be super wise and careful to stay alive and successful in the middle east, it's amazing how this nation survived 2000 years approximately, even the last 100 years were a great effort

[Staubdumm]

Well in your previous comment you said "how big" the countries are, not how much populated. But anyway, now I understand your point. But anyway, you can have 1000 people with sticks and 50 with machine guns and guess who is going to win. So even your population-argument makes no sense.

Every person who has little knowledge about military situation in middle east knows that Israel is a military superpower and has nothing to fear. Just be serious okay?

[Shembeatz]

the problem starts when the 1000 people with sticks think they can take off those 50 with the M4's..

[Staubdumm]

Is it because they are kept in an very tight area (gaza) in which their borders, their electricity, their life-saving medicines, their water is controlled and often denied by the 50? Is it because the 50 dont allow journalists out, and ban others from entering it? (what do they fear?).

Is it in the west bank, the powerful build their villas into the land of the palastinians, breaking the most fundamental international law (geneva, UNcharter)? Two sides use terrorism, but only one is occupying.

[Shembeatz]

hi, you are turkish, I'm not going to talk about armenians, you also german, I'm not going to take this to the world war two, you define yourself as turkish, I understand you have feeling that connects you with the muslims, or you are muslim yourself, you feel identification of yourself with the arabs, it's a good thing, every person have to protect his own kind, don't get me wrong I appreciate this type of emotions, just think about this: if jews didn't had weapons, would they stay alive?

[Staubdumm]

My sadness is the same, when a jewish person in my country is mistreated, or an armenian, or a kurdish. I don't make a big difference between "them" and "us". What is the difference between a jewish person shot in turkey and a palastinian shot in Ramallah? Arent both humans, suffering?

I know the cruelty of my country (genocide against armenians, yezides, kurds) or against jews which happened in Istanbul pogromes, we can talk about them.

I left Islam long time ago, I am an atheist.

[Staubdumm]

You say that when the israelis hadnt this ultimative armed forces, they would have get surpressed/killed, right?

Look, if Israel is interested in self-defence, it would leave the territories which belong to the palastinians after simple international law and simply would defend its borders.

When I enter your house, steal half of it, occupy it, threaten you with my gun, then its not "defence" when you try to get your right to live there back by chasing me out.

[Irtidad]

The level of aid from the US to Israel is the greatest b/w nations in human history (literally, by the way, this is not exaggeration). Israel receives more aid than all of Latin America and Africa combined. Officially it's about $3 billion a year, which includes apache helicopters and f-16 fighters, although the real figure would significantly higher if you included things like military uniforms and Caterpillar tractors (to uproot olive trees and demolish Palestinian homes in the West Bank).

[Irtidad]

Israel is also the only nuclear nation in the region, and it's the only nuclear nation in the whole world that hasn't signed on to the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Act (even Iran has signed this). Now how in the hell can one think that greater population equals more power? Nukes wipe out people, Israel illegally has nukes. Israel ain't at any strategic disadvantage by any stretch of the imagination.

[Shembeatz]

why? we had a nice conversation, why you had to take it to that subject?

if bombs were fly above austin, texas, blow up your house or the house of your neighbors, what you would say than? how would you think your government should react to that situation?

if bombs were blow up houses in austin... if buses with children and women would blow up by terrorist in texas, kills handreds of americans how would you think your government should react?

[Irtidad]

Occupation, discrimination, and apartheid can't be justified on any grounds, they are plainly illegal. And you act as though Israeli fighter planes have never flown over Damascus, never bombed the hell out of Beirut, blown up villages in Jordan, dropped one-ton bombs in crowded civilian areas in the Occupied Territories, Gaza in particular. If your house were demolished, if your children were fried in an air-raid, if you had no water or electricity or humanitarian supplies, how would YOU react?

[Irtidad]

If you think frying hundreds of children can ever be justified, then don't pretend to stand on any moral ground whatsoever; that makes you a monster and a proponent of genocide.

[Irtidad]

If you want to see the figures of deaths, go to the Israeli human rights organization B'Tselem's website and see the figures, that should make it clear who is the victim and who is the criminal.

[cayetanoluis]

"how would you think your government should react to that situation?"

All you need to do is reverse the characters in this play and you'll see how hypocritical you're being. You pretend that Palestinian terrorism is something that just comes out of thin air, with the appropriate response being force. Yet you simply take it for granted that Israeli "defence" (ie. brutal atrocities against Palestinian civilians and their social and cultural institutions) should pass without further comment.

[Shembeatz]

it's not comes from the air, it's comes from the idea that the so called palestinians teach their children at school: "Israel should be demolish".

it's not the little babies fault that they the sons of the devil and they living in the devil land, at the time palestinians have nothing to eat and they live in the trash their government chillin in their palaces, sipping arrack and buy more weapons instead of food and medicines for their people, I wish their government was like Israel, peaceful.

[cayetanoluis]

While Zionist fanatics and Jewish settlers see Palestinians as "Araboushim", "Muslim filfth" and worse. While the IDF demolishes houses, imposes collective punishment, bombs civilian infrastructure, uses routine torture, blocks food and medicine, uproots farms, and regularly humiliates Palestinians at check points. If this qualifies as "peaceful" to you, then you have a sick idea of peace.

[Shembeatz]

that "Araboushim" incident was disgusting, terrible stuff does happen and the Israeli government isn't free of mistakes but we give up lands all the time and their government never want to talk about peace. our leaders always offered them negotiation, at least talk! no, they want all of us dead, even if half of them will be dead too, as long as Israel will demolish- they'll be happy with that

[cayetanoluis]

"their government never want to talk about peace"

While yours has consistently rejected the Saudi initiative proposed after 1967 which allows for a Palestinian state alongside an internationally recognised Israel, with some minor and mutual modifications. This has been the international consensus since that time, rejected by the US and Israel.

"our leaders always offered them negotiation, at least talk!"

Which they've done, only to see their land divided up into South Africanesque cantons.

[cayetanoluis]

"I wish their government was like Israel, peaceful."

And the hideous assault that was recently unleashed on Gaza, where hundreds of children were incinerated by Israeli missiles, surely testifies to that in your Orwellian world view. I'm sure, though, that you'll rationalise these crimes as the Israeli government somehow trying to "help" the Palestinians. As Israeli voices of conscience have repeatedly pointed out, Israeli government policies hark back to an era that dares not speak its name

[alex30085]

excellent answr

[Rockerboy2007]

kewl

[BenJr01]

Now here is a noval idea for every one.

Let's just NUKE this little place we like to call home... and ask God to start all over from the begining. We'll see if He will do a better job the next time around.

Well, it will happen, one day, and GOD wont have any thing to do with it... He'll say... "Start over not a chance in Hell".

We all , Christains, Muslims, Jews, (and all the other religions), we need to get our heads out of our asses and smell the air before it's too late.

[ohannan11]

You sir, are an ignorant fool. To say nothing of the utter lack of a parallel for the preposterous case you have proposed, you have demonstrated clear historical illiteracy. The Israelis are responding to attacks made by the terroristic Palestinian government, an organization that hides behind its civilians, and yet the same organization you would deem innocent. You would do well to recall how Palestine was deprived of independent status. They lost a war they started.

[Limeteaser]

I think you're the ignorant fool here. Rocket attacks went down by 97 PERCENT during the truce, so you're just parroting IDF talking points like the nitwit that you are. Thats according to Israeli sources, look it up yourself. Also, the attack on Gaza was being planned even before there was a truce, which shows the Israelis were going to attack no matter what Hamas did. So basically, FUCK YOU. The comparison to 9/11 stands.

[ohannan11]

Of the two of us, who seems more incapable of independent thought. The attacks were indeed scaled down, though a decrease does not indicate a cession, and, solely as a point of clarification, the IDF has better things to do with it's time than to prompt me to suffer fools such as yourself. Certainly an invasion of Gaza is on the books constantly in Israel; it's called a contingency plan, hardly an unheard of thing. Your points truly fail to pass muster, and your final retort is beneath comment.

[Staubdumm]

The attacks were made by individuals or groups which have no ties to the government. Let's turn it the other way round: Imagine some settlers shoot into palastine with their guns (which happends all the time), are the palastinians allowed to invade Israel to defend itself? Is palastine allowed to bomb Jerusalem, where the IDF has its weapon depots next to civilian houses?

Btw, the IDF uses human shields as well. Just look at the human rights reports written by Israelis (even in Haaretz)

[MountainDeW06]

Ah! I have the answer. Just let the Palestinians open casinos! Oh and they should be able to run commercials on Israeli television the emphasize the necessity of gambling to support cultural heritage of the Palestinian people. Also, I think the Palestinians would do well to compare their captivity to the movie Escape From New York.

[CsalbertCs]

Thank you for sending me the link to this video. It is a great video, and serves credibility with excellent points.

@YAHRAZ777

Arabs and Jews both have DNA that proves that they have lived in Palestine thousands of years ago. In fact, more Palestinians are converts from Judaism and the poly-theistic religion of ISLAM or the foundations of the Islam we know today. Yes, Islam existed before Muhammad. But it was a poly-theistic religion. Now thanks to Muhammad, it is a mono-theistic religion.

[YAHRAZ777]

Bull shit native american were place in america by God. Palestine where not place in isreal by God but by there Arab brother to set a thorn in the side of God True people Isrealite Judah

[BenJr01]

BULLSHIT.... The Native Americans migrated from Asia during the last IceAge to North American.... Just as Isreal was never Isreal before the UN mandate made it so, it was Palestine... and God didn't place any one any where. Get you facts sraight...

[imranrmvarif]

excellent point and well made !! anyone who critizise it is plainly a hater/warmonger/racist or just plain stupid.

[Daisytoo]

A little case study in reality: The Arabs, as a whole, have used Palestinians but none have been more destructive than the thugs in power in Palestine. Palestinians ought to be modeling themselves after Israel - the best example of a functional society you have in the ME, but are either naturally or deliberately incapable of following a good example and so, will remain stuck in resentment for as long as you choose to remain stuck. Grow up and learn to live w/out fear.

[amiralmumineen]

"Grow up and learn to live w/out fear."

Over the last 60 years, Palestinians have lived in exile, without a home, without a national identity, without rights, without clean running water, without electricity, without food, without freedom of movement, without freedom of expression, without dignity, without safety and without security.

I'd say they're the most fearless people on the planet.

You however, sitting comfortably behind your desktop spewing your racist polemics, are a coward.

[Daisytoo]

Are you saying that Palestinians had electricity and running water 60 years ago? Get real. The so called Palestinians have always been at the butt end of the Arab social order. Even now Pals. serve as useful idiots for the larger Arab world threatened by the actual fact of a functional free society in their autocratic midst. You are being used all right, but not by Israel; you're used by other Arabs as a distraction in hopes that Arab thugs keep their thuggish stautus quo. Grow up & be free.

[amiralmumineen]

-"Are you saying that Palestinians had electricity and running water 60 years ago?" Yes, I am; don't reveal yourself as more of a fool.

-"So called Palestinians"? Well, here you've just revealed yourself to be a Zionist. Like every colonial power, they must have a founding myth and work like hell to perpetuate it: "Palestinians never existed."

-Like every usurper, they must re-write history to feel better about wiping out a people and they must continue to deny them a cultural identity.

[Daisytoo]

Israel brought electric power/water to "Palestine". The Philistines destoyed what was handed to them. I'm not a "Zionist" but I am an American who loves and appreciates freedom. I'm also a Christian and am aware that the tribe of wandering nomads you call "Palestinians" are in fact, Philistines, which is something I wouldn't brag about being, if I were you. "Colonial powers"? Jews and Christians were here first, colonizing Muslims tried to dominate Judeo/Christian land and failed. Get over it.

[amiralmumineen]

I doubt the Brits found Palestine a very hospitable place without electricity or water.

"I am an American who loves and appreciates freedom."

Clearly only when it's granted to Jews and Christians. And since Palestinian Christians don't fare any better under Israeli occupation, I would restrict that further to white Christians.

Yes, and let's all go back to where are ancestors lived under the Roman Empire. Idiot.

Oh, and being a bigot is something I would not be proud of if I were you.

[Daisytoo]

The British were perfectly capable of bringing what's civilized along w/them even while under the harshest conditions. And were also capable of putting up awful uncivilized locales w.out whinging. (Pals. take note) Apart from that, Israel brought electricity/water to "Palestine".

The Muslims, not Israelis, have behaved atrociously towards Christians - everywhere - not just the ME.

Freedom is not 'granted' to people. People must want freedom, live free and be willing to die to keep free.

[amiralmumineen]

You contended that Palestinians didn't have electricity/water 60 years ago. Power plants had existed in Palestine since the 19th century; shut up about this.

My parents were Eastern Catholic Arabs living in the Galilee until they were driven from their homes in 1948. They lived peacefully with their Muslim neighbors.

Only years ago, the Israelis held the Church of the Nativity under siege, and leveled predominantly Christian villages in the West Bank such as Beit Jala and Beit Sahour.

[amiralmumineen]

I do not deny Muslim injustices against religious minorities throughout history, but unlike you, I do not try to justify any acts of injustice anywhere.

Europe's record is not great either. When the Muslims left Spain for North Africa after the Reconquista, the thriving Jewish communities there went with them, fearing the Inquisition.

Palestinians have been fighting (and dying) for freedom for a very long time now, whether as refugees in inhospitable Arab countries or on their own land.

[hotlex]

Don't worry about those comments that offend you

They just dont want to hear the truth

FUCK Zionism

[bullirish]

Listen, you PIG, enjoy yourself while you can. Your days in the sun will soon end when McCain is president.

[xxmonickkkkaxx]

Haha, the "native" americans were savages the mayans were enslaving other tribes and ripping out the hearts of slaves in order to appease the sun god. Also, you are aware that the first people who arrived in the Americas were the Salutrians, Europeans, right?

[johnbrook]

lier. Why don't you show the letter?

And I would like to advice you to look at yourself in a mirror before starting recording.

S.O.B and lier

[thefreeassociation]

Brilliant video, my man!

[iLuvAkeys4ever]

EVERYBODY vote for McCain 08. Obama can't win he has NO support!!!

Bomb Bomb Bomb Bomb Bomb the Middle EAst!! IS that what you guys want, look nothing perfect. If Jesus was here he woundn't want harm to come to the Jews even though they did string him up. So what is a person supposed to do!! Barack loves ALL people but the Jews must be protected as well as the Arabs this is Gods WILL. McCain has an easier job if he becomes president cos he just doesn't CARE!!

[philosophiaafricanus]

well put

[HandOfCheese]

Formidable vocabulary mr1001nights! I salute that, truly!

Your video will, unfortunately, suffer the same fate of every other sensible anti-US/Israel aggression video ie. become a slap session where one side says "You're here illegally" and the other just repeats it. I fell sorry, because this was a very good video! Nuts to all who think that Obama will shift the genocidal tendencies of the US government! White, black or yellow, they all write history, while we applaud them, with a bloody pen!

[PhilistineTheArtLuvr]

Each and every member of Hamas has been born and raised under the Israeli military occupation.

Their childhood, educational years, and adulthood has been spent under 41 years of occupation that includes in it the violence of Israeli civilians who have been transfered to lands confiscated from Palestinians in violation of all international conventions relevant to this matter.

41 years of occupation have got to count for something. It's not an anomaly. It is an atrocity, it is pure savagery.

[msspurlock]

Then leave.

It's not your country, anyway.

[AgouraMo]

A politician is someone who....when not kissing babies...is taking away their candy.

[calista48]

looooool nice

[justicenow999]

Hamas considers all Israelis as enemies including children. Hamas will not negotiate and leaves Israel no choice but to use force to protect itself. Obama is right and as President he is more likely than any past president to bring peace to the Middle East. Watch the video of Palestinians in Gaza campaigning for Obama. Why are criticising Obama? Do you prefer a Republican?

[mr1001nights]

Well, your version of events is propaganda. Don't trust the corporate media. Israel is the occupier and it is the US & Israel who have been blocking peace for the last 30 years. Both republicans & democrats are corporate shills. Anyone supporting them is deluded

[justicenow999]

Israel pulled out of Gaza, emptied all the settlements, and for what? So Hamas could should rockets into Israel? You are the one Mr1001nights spreading propaganda.

[mr1001nights]

Israel simply moved their illegal settlers from Gaza to the occupied West Bank (because it was too costly) & left Gaza as the biggest prison on earth. The occupation &constant terrorist incursions of Israel into the Gazan Auschwitz continued. Israel is the occupier force and the rockets/shells that israel launches are many more in number& explosive power. Given that u defend israel's low-level genocide of the Palestinians & reject their right to fight back, u should call urself "injusticenow666"

[TheTollundWoman]

@mr1001nights

do you support a two-state solution? is it just the occupation you oppose, or are you against the very existence of israel?

[mr1001nights]

@TheTollundWoman

A 2 state solution represents the best solution for now, though I do think that nation-states should at some point disappear.

[veggie786]

no offense hitler pulled out of concentration camps and left jews to do waht they liked, did that make it Okay, of course it wasn't. PLease dont write your propaganda here, israelie forces have left gaza but they still control airport, ports, gaza resources, checkpoints. Tell me how pals control gaza. You zionist supporter are idiots if you are fooling people.

[amiralmumineen]

"Hamas will not negotiate and leaves Israel no choice but to use force to protect itself."

Oh, Hamas is the nuclear-armed Middle Eastern superpower that refuses to grant rights to the terrorized civilian population living on lands its illegally occupied for 41 years? I didn't know that.

[icounsel2]

Regrettably, most Americans don't receive objective coverage of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. The situation appears to be changing somewhat, especially with the publications by Mearsheimer and Walt.

Although they were assailed by pro-Israel groups and individuals, hopefully, their willingness to address the problem of biased US media coverage regarding Israel will create an opening for others to be engage in an even-handed discussion of this tragic conflict.

[07sawyerr]

friend i agree with your message very much. unfortunately a politician cannot climb the proverbial ladders in this country without his or her campaign built upon some level of hypocrisy, especially in regards to the middle east.

[07sawyerr]

also, maybe i am an optimist, but clearly mrs Clinton has been all along the way very clearly and directly opposed to any sympathy or aid to the Palestinian people, and her voting record aligns perfectly and clearly to the will of the israeli lobby. Obama on the other hand says things that make him seem the same, but only after having been criticized for his 'earlier' views which are more or less the opposite. between the two of them friend, i'll take hypocrisy.

[EastLaw69]

WHERE DID YOU GET THAT LOAD OF BULL SHIT FROM,

THE HATE FILL RIGHT WINGNUT NOISE MACHINE FIX (Fox) NEWS??

[mr1001nights]

I am sure that if u calm down and listen to my words, and take a look at American policy for the past, say, 50 years, you'll come to the conclusion that I oppose all elite power and the hypocrisy it entails. For starters, I suggest you watch my video John McCain: War Criminal

[Gramra]

IMO Israel and Fatah must take down the Settlers and Hamas respectively. Then we can talk about peace.

[mr1001nights]

Wrong, the biggest obstacle to peace is US and Israeli rejectionism. The "extremists on both sides" propaganda is refuted by a simple look at the facts and historical record.

[alyceclover]

What is hypocritical of caring about all human life? It would be nice if you cited your source, also, because lies about what Senator Obama says abound. If those are his words, they are the words of a diplomat and statesman.

[babynme08]

try watching obama's pastor's rev wright's videos..full of hate for white people...

[suedefalcon]

If you weren't a complete fucking moron you'd figure out that maybe the media took it out of context, and watch the whole speech. However you probably won't, and you'll just try to come up with something "witty" to say.

[suedefalcon]

That was a reply to babynme2008

[IsraeliTerrorism]

...SLAUGHTERING PALESTINIANS AT A RATIO OF "8 vs 1" AND THEN CLAIMING YOU ARE THE VICTIM OF TERRORISM AND ANTI SEMITISM IS SIMPLY` LAUGHABLE BY ANY RATIONAL, LOGIC, RELIGION OR CREED. NO EXCUSES ARE CREDIBLE` FOR THESE LEVELS OF TERRORISM. NOT EVEN THE JEWISH HOLY TORAH 'ALLOWS KILLING BEYOND AN EYE` FOR AN EYE!

[zcat18]

Tell this to the families of the unarmed 16-year-old Yeshiva students murdered in their school last week, or the parents of the Israeli schoolchildren whose buses have been blown up by "holy warriors" and "freedom fighters." Hamas murders its own by using human shields to surround terrorist infrastructure. ...but alas, I'm not going to convince anyone of anything. These arguments are always fruitless, because passions run so high.

[mr1001nights]

tell that to the 120 palestinians, men women & children who were murdered less than a week before. Israeli terror is at least 30 times worse, plus it is Israel that is occupying Palestine--not the other way around. The Palestinians are the ones retaliating. If Iran had imposed a murderous occupation on the US, you certainly wouldn't perceive it the same way. The distinction between "worthy" and "unworthy" victims in ur ideology is quite clear.

[RicanIsraeli]

You're uninformed, simply said.

[Mooshito]

I imagine that there are plenty of Muslim and Christian Palestinians whose families converted from Judaism long ago, I also imagine that there are plenty of Israelis who genetically cannot claim ancestral connection to anyone who inhabited this region 2000 years ago. The main issue is that Israel was founded on late 19th century European nationalism, and power must always be in the hands of a specific ethnic or in this case, religious group. This is very different from American democracy. Sad

[awesomeseminars]

this guy needs to sleep and spend less time on the computer look at those eyes

[daad9000]

Israel is the best.

[hjaf003]

its the best at relentless murder, i get amazed at times, how does it do it so well

[will1311]

palestinians are like native americans!? who are the natives there from 2000 years ago?

[DinaStrangee]

israel is a terrorit state. And obama is israel's whore.

[MaxKantar]

First of all, addressing majdnabut's comment below, it is not a jewish lobby, it is an israeli lobby, dominated by christian and jewish support for israel.

Second of all: what a wonderful and logical analysis of 'intellectual' hipocracy. I don't really know what else to say, that was perfect, and very chomsky like. There isn't much difference in the two letters you read. Unfortunately the establishment in the U.S. doesn't see it that way. "if we do it, it's okay."

[VictorZebraEdward]

This guy is an idiot

[majdnabut]

Viva Palestina!!

Free Palestine...Occupation is a crime!

God Blees every person supports the Palestinian case worldwide!

Obama, Bush and Clinton and many other are only a Tool for the Jewish Lobby in the states!

Hopefully one day the people of the states we'll wake up!!

[ShinjiKoon]

Viva Israel!!

Protect...Killing Muslims and Jews is a crime!

God Blees every person supports the Israel case worldwide!

Obama, Bush and Clinton and many other are only a Tool for the Muslim Lobby in the states!

Hopefully one day the people of the states we'll wake up!!

[EscapeGoats]

فلسطين حرة!

[myckaka]

Hypocrisy is an expression of agreement that is not supported by real conviction. It's not hypocritical to suppport the rights Palestians and the right of Israel to defend itself at the same time. Barack was right and on the point!

[buddhagem]

The great land of hypocrisy!  Great point.