@Morepullups How so? If anything, people will learn what doesn't work for them. Never having been to their classes, any good instructor will tell you there is more than one way to get the job done. Try it, if it doesn't work for you, find something that does. Learning new skills might be costly, but hardly worthless.
JohnBellii, when & if the targets do start shooting back at least these guys are trained well. Repetition is key. When bullets do start flyin and people start dyin adrenaline takes over and it's muscle memory that counts everything else goes out the window. Kudos to MAGPUL for puttin out this video.
@Pat5725----- hey man, its a Redi-MOD custom cutout for weight reduction by BlueForce Gear!! Its just a reg Redi-Mag but BFG gets them and cuts out most of the material not needed, u can actually just get a Redi-MAG and cut it out urself, i actually just did one and will be posting the vid on my channel very soon, swing over and check it out! Hope that helped bro!!
@XxXDeathIsArtXxX The smart ass answer is no you have to attend as a disembodied spirit . The real answer is for you to go to magpuls website and go to the training tab and find a class. I know some guys who attended and they said it was worth the dough.
@scdefion the training looks topnotch...and their prices arent too bad.. i looked at blackwaters training and prices and its more expensive...plus uhhhh didnt blackwater kill some civilians or something? and didnt they go in and help disarm american civilians during katrina or something like that? idk
@kazetehskylord andTriggerHappy971 please see previous comments in this thread that address this issue. Costa intended to say it as it is presented. Not as the traditional quote.
Does anybody have a theory on how to dynamically pull a pin on a grenade while still leaving your hand on fire control on a carbine? I was thinking hold the grenade with your reaction hand and pull the pin with your thumb while still maintaining a good grip on the carbines fire control. Anybody agree?
@IMFDB Without two hands to support the carbine, the structural integrity of it wouldn't really be sound. If your saying (lets say your right handed) To be holding the rifle with your right hand, then with your left hand pull a grenade and use your right thumb while wrapped around the grip to pull the pin, then I don't think it would work out too well unless you have an iron stance. The gun is too long to be held with one hand then pulled with another to stay in the same place.
@hwesta123 You could position the stock under your elbow while holding it -90 degrees to hold onto it better. It doesn't seem so hard unless your doing this on the move. I don't have a grenade or carbine I just want to know if it's possible.
@IMFDB Is the feat accomplishing it or accomplishing it while keeping your crosshairs on the same place? If so, it can be accomplished, but it'd take someone highly trained to do it while keeping the gun in the exact same spot.
You guys at Magpul are doing excellent work, excellent products, training, giving everybody from the citizen looking for home defense to LEO'S and military something that they can take with em.
Utmost respect. You guys looked like you've drilled hard! And the results look great. However speaking from 15 years in 42 Commando Royal Marines, the speed of movement in these videos is much harder to execute with a heavy bergen and tired legs from 30 KM of tabbing. Stick to brute force, 81mm High explosive followed by a hosing of browning .50 cal never fails!! Good work though!
@KhanSeb I think it's because when you're shooting from the top of cover, you want to make sure that the muzzle of you're gun goes first before the rest of your body, thereby making yourself less of a target. It's kinda like shooting from the side of a piece of cover - you don't stick your entire shoulder out, but you slant your gun so the enemy can only see half of your head and a gun. It's just my guestimate.
Yes, and Ret. CSM Kyle Lamb from Delta teaches you to shoot with the carbine rotated sideways and how to account for the offset of the sights when the carbine is rotated. It could induce a malfunction. Take it all for what it is worth.
Ret. Delta Force Master Sergeant Larry Vickers says it is not advised to fire a firearm sideways, as it could jam the weapon. "People think a way to improve accuracy is to shoot an assault rifle sideways.The gun is intended to be fired in a vertical position, with the sights being above the barrel for aiming at targets. There is a risk of brass bouncing back into the bolt and causing the weapon to malfunction."
@IMFDB i can see where your coming from, but rule 3 is to keep your finger off of the trigger until ready to fire right? all i can think of is 1) he kinda put his finger inside the trigger guard or 2) he was aiming at something other than down range. other than that i think he was just loading his secondary first before his primary for a drill. I'm not trying to argue with you :) i just want to really know what he did wrong so that i don't do it :)
@TheOnlyEliteSniper What you just said is the summarized version of "keep your finger off the trigger until you've acquired a target and and intend to fire." He was ready to fire he just hasn't acquired a target. I still think he should have delayed his trigger movement a little. I'm sure Chris and Travis would agree if they look closely.
Training to fire with one hand is smart. In 1993, during the Battle of Mogadishu, a of of US Army Rangers lost a hand or finger in the firefight. I'm sure that if they trained to fire with one hand or at least ambidextrously many lives would have been saved. Train hard and prepare for the worst!
The shooting ability of some of these guys amazes me even as a soldier.
This is a lesson every shooter, civilian and military can pick up: You've got USSOF guys out there on that line LEARNING.
They understand what most people don't about shooting, fighting, or life in general: You never arrive at perfection. You just train as close to it as you can, as long as you can.
@724tone dammit...i got sucked in to watching this again. great video...but it says 80 years combined experience does that mean its probably about 70-80 years? i'm not really sure..
I'm amazed by the number of folks making an issue of the 'professionals train to failure' comment........what do successful body builders train to? 'Failure'......no progress is made until training reaches the point of failure. Training that does not reach the point of failure does not lead to true progress.
@sgtmac46 yeh i agree! they present this as a martial art training scenario with the samurai warrior on the front right? well when your sparring with your teammates and you get hit, you know you didnt do something right and then you fix it which tightens you up technically. so i totally understand what your saying. my teacher says he never wants to get his art perfect because then he would get sloppy. same way with handling guns in this video or any other training courses in any field of pracitc
A great instructional vid at a glance, I have not seen it. The only constructive criticism I have so far is that it is better to train as you fight, so if those are LE, MIL, or Contractors I would say train with the plates, kness, elbows, and Molle. It's a huge difference. Throwing yourself in the prone with all that on is entirely a change of pace and feel.
@OSUPITTSBURGH427 Mujahideen? I'm not worried about sandal-wearing sand people. They're really not a threat to you as a civilian, regardless of what the media whines about. Now gangbangers, like MS-13, Los Zetas, Kings, etc? Yeah. Be afraid if they get their hands on these types if videos. Chances are they already have, AND they're training with RPGs and handgrenades
this should be common knowledge for all men born here in america, imagine if the whole world knew the every man had an ar-15 and were trained to this degree as apart of heritage or maybe just for kicks, yeah nobody would dare fuck with us even more than they do today.
@friskysausage95 What you're probably meaning to say is, "Are these actual M4 rifles currently used by the US Military?" Judging from the video, I would say a good majority of these rifles are common AR15's availible to most US citizens. Judging by the Magpul training routine, the methods of controlled pairs and multiple shot placement are stressed. Personally, the burst capability of the M4 Carbine is a seldom used click on my selector switch.
Probably because they go into a kneeling position at some point and don't want to hurt their knees to bad - you only need one really if you shoot consistently from one side., having it at the ankle is a way to let blood flow and not restrict the movement when you don't need or use it.
when they say "professionals train until they get it wrong." they mean professionals train till they are perfect at a certain distance and speed. then they keep moving faster and farther away until they make a mistake or shoot outside the x or 10 ring. Then they work till they are perfect at that speed and distance, and once they are there, they keep pushing the envelope to get better and better. So it is not a mis-speak. amatures train until they reach a goal and stop. profesionals do not.
If every jackass who sits and plays 1000s of hours of stupid ass shooting games, and took just one class like this, we would have such a fucked up government.
@ZAC2994 -Incorrect. Chris knew what he was saying. I asked him about this prior to keeping the quote in the DVD. It refers to Professionals consistently pushing them self to their failure point and learning from it.
@Magpul I got the meaning right away even before you explained it and I like the philosophy..I like how he phrases it too because it sticks in your head.
@Magpul what are your thoughts on direct gas operation systems as opposed to piston driven systems on the ar platform? also, what is the reliability rate for the direct gas system? and what do you use to lube your rifle?....thanks!!....ss13.
@secretsquirrell13dont fix what isnt broken. The DI system has been proven over the years. keep it lubed an it will run dirty for thousands of rounds. As long as its lubed, an milspec high end parts. Like mpi/hpt rated bolts an bolt carriers 1:7 twist barrels, good extractors, m4 feed ramps,staked gas keys and reliable bcg's . These companys are GTG:Colt,LMT,BCM, noveski, Knights armament, Daniel Defense. Dont fall for the piston bullshit. Its internet dummies an rumors saying its more reliable.
@HeartAE86 i feel the same way just wondering what the guys at magpul have to say about it im rocking a Rock River elite operator 2, all quality parts.....thanks for the reply.
@TutMirNichts did you ever put thousands of rounds through a piston gun? it gets really really dirty just like a DI gun. Or any gun for that matter. ONCE again, your another internet victom falling for it. BTW, piston guns fail an jam if there not lubed. Piston is not the end all be all reliable mr clean gun that people make it out to be. Serious, why are pro shooters like Chris Costa, Travis Hailey and Larry vickors use DI guns? they know it works, an runs well as long as its quality.
@HeartAE86 A lot of what you say is correct, but at the end of the day a piston gun is more reliable than a DI gun. Guys like Haley and Vickers use them because that's what they're used to. That said, I've seen Vickers running an HK 416 on numerous occasions. How many DI guns are going to pass the 'over the beach' test? None. How much hotter does the bolt/bolt carrier get in a DI gun vs. a piston gun? Significantly.
@Nater245689 Now heres my cons for the piston gun. More specific parts for the piston gun that are hard to find. No where near the amount of extra di parts. Expensive, more parts also meens more failures. With the piston, rods, an springs equals unbalanced heavier gun. The AR style rifle is supposed to be light an balanced. Now you can argue with rails, an accessories its unbalanced an heavier. as for the over the beach test. Barrel cap an keep ejection port closed, an di gun will be fine.
@HeartAE86 The lack of available parts is obviously a problem. More parts breaking is, however, completely un-true. You get far less extractor and extractor spring breakage on a piston gun than you do with a DI. Stoner's system was meant to run with a 20" barrel. The shorter you make that barrel, the more out of time the system is, the more chamber pressure there is during extraction. You don't have those problems with a piston rifle.
@HeartAE86 Furthermore, a little extra weight at the front of the rifle isn't necessarily a bad thing. It can aid in reducing muzzle climb. Also, like you yourself said, by the time you're done hanging optics, lights, lasers, ect. on the end of that rifle, the weight difference is minimal at best. Barrel caps and keeping the dust cover closed are all fine and good, but they're not a solution during training, let alone combat.
@Nater245689 Another note. Piston guns still get very hot like any other gun...Maybe not as hot as di guns. But heres somthing you proble didnt know. DI guns cool down faster then piston guns. That op rod thats in piston guns retains an holds the heat. Now if your firing a lightwieght machine gun with constant supressive fire then its nice to keep that heat down with a piston. A carbine, this doesnt matter. IM not going to blow through 500 rounds in a minute. DI will be more then adaquete.
@HeartAE86 Piston guns do get hot, but the heat isn't transferred directly into the operating mechanism. Most of the heat stays at the gas block with leakage back to the piston cup with exponentially less the further back you go. With a DI gun, that heat gets dumped right into the bolt carrier. Heat isn't an issue with DI rifles? Tell that to the guys at Wanat...the ones who didn't get killed because their weapons over heated.
@HeartAE86 LOL and just one more. sry for the long reply. Its not that I hate piston guns. I own an AK an have a blast shooting it. I also like the SCAR type rifles. These were disigned as piston guns from the ground up. With rails soo the bolt carrier doesnt have carrier tilt. What I hate is when companys SHOE HORN a piston system into a DI rifle. Or use DI rifle design but with a piston instead. Also over the beach test.How do you think Navy Seals do it? Masking tape over the barrel. its GTG
@HeartAE86 Yeah, and what if they have to shoot that rifle? Masking tape over the barrel and a closed dust cover isn't GTG then. They make specifically designed bags for M16-type weapons just for this purpose. I own a piston and a DI rifle. The piston gun I have doesn't show any signs of carrier tilt after ~3,000 rounds. There are two piston ARs on the market that don't have carrier tilt issues that I know of, HK's and LWRC's.
No human being is infallible. If you're training at a level that nothing ever goes awry, you're not pushing hard enough. Training is a lifetime's pursuit. You can't achieve some arbitrary 100 percent proficiency and stop, reality doesn't work like that. Ask any "pro" and they'll tell you the same.
@cameron629569 no cam. if a pro does not get it wrong it means he is playing it safe and not pushing himself. real pros train till they hit their failure point and learn how not to fuck up like that again, making them better than before.
@cameron629569 I just explained this on another Magpul thread. With anything, you learn a lot more from failure than you do from success. That's what they're saying.
I don't wanna sound immature but, if you do have the DVD, at the shoulder transitioning section at 56 minutes, Travis Hayley is helping the guy with the 2 point sling and a couple seconds later you hear 2 farts and whats even funnier is that after those 2 farts, it turns out that Chris Costa was standing next to the camera and he walked right passed it a second after the fart ahaha
it bugs me how he says 'carbeen'. i no its probably the technically correct way to say it, and chris costa is obviously waaaaaay more qualified than i will ever be and a bit of an awesome guy.....
What should bug you, is that so many ignorant people have been pronouncing it incorrectly, that those who DO know how to properly say it have become the oddballs.
@40Zak If you have to go with aluminum, I have bought and currently using UTG. It's cheap (I think I paid 60), but it is comparable to pricier units. It's also HEAVY. Magpul does have a handguard out (its plastic and has slots to put rails) that seems to be nice and looks lightweight.
Yea I would like art of the tactical AK
GoBIGclan 1 day ago
please make a "Art of the Tactical AK" :)
pidevildog07 1 week ago
please, please make an art of the tactical AK :)
pidevildog07 1 week ago
please, please make an art of the tactical AK :)
pidevildog07 1 week ago
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please, please do a art of the AK :)
pidevildog07 1 week ago
please, please do a art of the AK :)
pidevildog07 1 week ago
@Morepullups please post a video justifying your claim that its worthless and costly
Bourne246 2 weeks ago
The way i learned how to shoot a rifle is aim and shoot like hell and look badass while doing it
blackman14thrd 3 weeks ago
I would have to hate to go up against costa in a real gun fight, just glad he would be on my side if some shit popped off.
nathoniel01 1 month ago
@Morepullups what would make you say that?
sc3nt360 1 month ago
@Morepullups How so? If anything, people will learn what doesn't work for them. Never having been to their classes, any good instructor will tell you there is more than one way to get the job done. Try it, if it doesn't work for you, find something that does. Learning new skills might be costly, but hardly worthless.
fullrearview 1 month ago
2:40 There goes the model of the vehicle, nice shot, two in one.
DR1ZERO 1 month ago
JohnBellii, when & if the targets do start shooting back at least these guys are trained well. Repetition is key. When bullets do start flyin and people start dyin adrenaline takes over and it's muscle memory that counts everything else goes out the window. Kudos to MAGPUL for puttin out this video.
blakesmyname 2 months ago
If part of the training focus is 'reality' they can start by having the targets shoot back in live fire drills. Just sayin'.
johnbellii 2 months ago
@Pat5725----- hey man, its a Redi-MOD custom cutout for weight reduction by BlueForce Gear!! Its just a reg Redi-Mag but BFG gets them and cuts out most of the material not needed, u can actually just get a Redi-MAG and cut it out urself, i actually just did one and will be posting the vid on my channel very soon, swing over and check it out! Hope that helped bro!!
InfidelArmz556 3 months ago
That looks great guys !
BenP227 5 months ago
nice piece
xfire412 5 months ago
can i take these classes in person?
XxXDeathIsArtXxX 6 months ago
@XxXDeathIsArtXxX The smart ass answer is no you have to attend as a disembodied spirit . The real answer is for you to go to magpuls website and go to the training tab and find a class. I know some guys who attended and they said it was worth the dough.
scdefion 6 months ago
@scdefion the training looks topnotch...and their prices arent too bad.. i looked at blackwaters training and prices and its more expensive...plus uhhhh didnt blackwater kill some civilians or something? and didnt they go in and help disarm american civilians during katrina or something like that? idk
andrademeza 4 months ago
@andrademeza everyone in iraq was a civilian...we werent fighting military lol
those charges were bullshit
benchmstr 2 months ago
@benchmstr can you refresh my memory as to my original comment...i dont remember posting here and youtube wont let me see my original post..
andrademeza 2 months ago
What Holster Is Travis Using for his 1911
rustinjacobtolbert 6 months ago
What brand is that redi mag he has installed on the rifle?
Pat5725 6 months ago
CR's = Candy Rifles
ptown2222 8 months ago
Hey Magpul, I like that Magpul lower receiver on your AR's, how come you guys don't sell them to the general public?
armydude690 8 months ago
@armydude690 It's an Magpul logo engraving, they don't manufacture AR lower's.
IMFDB 7 months ago
@IMFDB i know that... i was asking why they don't sell them. i just like the controls on it, and the look of it too.
armydude690 7 months ago
@armydude690 Magpul has released it's own carbine through Bravo company. It was in Surefire's annual magazine a couple of months ago.
scdefion 6 months ago
Amateurs train until they can get it right, professionals train until they can't get it wrong.
kazetehskylord 8 months ago
@kazetehskylord andTriggerHappy971 please see previous comments in this thread that address this issue. Costa intended to say it as it is presented. Not as the traditional quote.
Magpul 8 months ago
Awesome . . .
DavidClearShot 8 months ago
Does anybody have a theory on how to dynamically pull a pin on a grenade while still leaving your hand on fire control on a carbine? I was thinking hold the grenade with your reaction hand and pull the pin with your thumb while still maintaining a good grip on the carbines fire control. Anybody agree?
IMFDB 8 months ago
@IMFDB Try
kazetehskylord 8 months ago
@IMFDB Without two hands to support the carbine, the structural integrity of it wouldn't really be sound. If your saying (lets say your right handed) To be holding the rifle with your right hand, then with your left hand pull a grenade and use your right thumb while wrapped around the grip to pull the pin, then I don't think it would work out too well unless you have an iron stance. The gun is too long to be held with one hand then pulled with another to stay in the same place.
hwesta123 7 months ago
@hwesta123 You could position the stock under your elbow while holding it -90 degrees to hold onto it better. It doesn't seem so hard unless your doing this on the move. I don't have a grenade or carbine I just want to know if it's possible.
IMFDB 7 months ago
@IMFDB Is the feat accomplishing it or accomplishing it while keeping your crosshairs on the same place? If so, it can be accomplished, but it'd take someone highly trained to do it while keeping the gun in the exact same spot.
hwesta123 7 months ago
Travis haley uses his own car for training
tigerwoodsisadrunk 8 months ago
No, Professionals train until they 'CANT' get it wrong XD
TriggerHappy971 8 months ago
i love the sound of the part at the end on the clip. Everyone shoot at the same time
lulink88 9 months ago
You guys at Magpul are doing excellent work, excellent products, training, giving everybody from the citizen looking for home defense to LEO'S and military something that they can take with em.
tonydoza6 9 months ago
he said 'pros train til they get it wrong'... because for pros, if you get it wrong, it means you are dead and there is no more training for you...
silenthunder85 9 months ago
Utmost respect. You guys looked like you've drilled hard! And the results look great. However speaking from 15 years in 42 Commando Royal Marines, the speed of movement in these videos is much harder to execute with a heavy bergen and tired legs from 30 KM of tabbing. Stick to brute force, 81mm High explosive followed by a hosing of browning .50 cal never fails!! Good work though!
Commandomentality 9 months ago
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Commandomentality 9 months ago
@3:10 "You are advanced shooters. Straighten your shit out!" Get some!!!
solidseung 10 months ago
At 2:00 , what's the point of shooting the gun in this horizontal way ?
KhanSeb 10 months ago
@KhanSeb I think it's because when you're shooting from the top of cover, you want to make sure that the muzzle of you're gun goes first before the rest of your body, thereby making yourself less of a target. It's kinda like shooting from the side of a piece of cover - you don't stick your entire shoulder out, but you slant your gun so the enemy can only see half of your head and a gun. It's just my guestimate.
HiredForLife24 10 months ago
@HiredForLife24 Well that makes sense, thanks.
KhanSeb 10 months ago
@KhanSeb btw, your vids are awesome. i enjoy that hobby from time to time as well!
HiredForLife24 10 months ago
@HiredForLife24 Thanks ! I'd like to shot real guns a little more often though ^^
KhanSeb 10 months ago
@KhanSeb nice. I've shot an M14 and M16 in Thailand before. i didnt expect the M14 to be that heavy!
HiredForLife24 10 months ago
Anyone happen to know the type of pants Chris and Travis are wearing for the majority of Carbine 2?
They are blue and I'm pretty sure they are North Face pants.
But can't find them on their site or anywhere.
Probably doesn't help that this was shot in 2009. Thanks!
Cougar879 11 months ago
@Cougar879
mostly Carhart and Columbia.
holtandkatie 10 months ago
@2:23 is he using a redi mag?
420dethmarch 11 months ago
I think he means they push it to the limit to see what goes wrong so they can learn from it.
leicamaster 11 months ago
Yes, and Ret. CSM Kyle Lamb from Delta teaches you to shoot with the carbine rotated sideways and how to account for the offset of the sights when the carbine is rotated. It could induce a malfunction. Take it all for what it is worth.
ncst8man1999 11 months ago
Ret. Delta Force Master Sergeant Larry Vickers says it is not advised to fire a firearm sideways, as it could jam the weapon. "People think a way to improve accuracy is to shoot an assault rifle sideways.The gun is intended to be fired in a vertical position, with the sights being above the barrel for aiming at targets. There is a risk of brass bouncing back into the bolt and causing the weapon to malfunction."
SpecJack15 1 year ago
man they all wear oakley
41ACE 1 year ago
'carbeen' hahahaa
holysoks1 1 year ago
Did the guy at 3:00 break rule #3 with the Glock?
IMFDB 1 year ago
@IMFDB i think he was aiming down range don't think he's THAT stupid
TheOnlyEliteSniper 1 year ago
@TheOnlyEliteSniper He still broke it. He wasn't ready to fire and haven't acquired a target.
IMFDB 1 year ago
@IMFDB i can see where your coming from, but rule 3 is to keep your finger off of the trigger until ready to fire right? all i can think of is 1) he kinda put his finger inside the trigger guard or 2) he was aiming at something other than down range. other than that i think he was just loading his secondary first before his primary for a drill. I'm not trying to argue with you :) i just want to really know what he did wrong so that i don't do it :)
TheOnlyEliteSniper 1 year ago
@TheOnlyEliteSniper What you just said is the summarized version of "keep your finger off the trigger until you've acquired a target and and intend to fire." He was ready to fire he just hasn't acquired a target. I still think he should have delayed his trigger movement a little. I'm sure Chris and Travis would agree if they look closely.
IMFDB 1 year ago
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Training to fire with one hand is smart. In 1993, during the Battle of Mogadishu, a of of US Army Rangers lost a hand or finger in the firefight. I'm sure that if they trained to fire with one hand or at least ambidextrously many lives would have been saved. Train hard and prepare for the worst!
acr225 1 year ago
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acr225 1 year ago
The shooting ability of some of these guys amazes me even as a soldier.
This is a lesson every shooter, civilian and military can pick up: You've got USSOF guys out there on that line LEARNING.
They understand what most people don't about shooting, fighting, or life in general: You never arrive at perfection. You just train as close to it as you can, as long as you can.
SolidusSix 1 year ago
@imfdb... No the contour has a much wider lens I think it's 140-160 degrees. They SHOULDA used the the contour
shanebrashear 1 year ago
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ridah925 1 year ago
Are those rifle camera's shot with Contour HD camera's?
IMFDB 1 year ago
"Shooting for probably about the last 20 or 30 years"
724tone 1 year ago
@724tone so that means hes been shooting for about a year?
robertboop 1 year ago
@robertboop
Which is it, right? That's a 10 year difference!!!!
724tone 1 year ago
@724tone dammit...i got sucked in to watching this again. great video...but it says 80 years combined experience does that mean its probably about 70-80 years? i'm not really sure..
robertboop 1 year ago
This is the most homo-erotic thing on Youtube.
HairyBogTrotter 1 year ago
at 2:28, what gun is he holding??
Is it the m4 or the hk416??
Nice taining!!!!
laurensexy93 1 year ago
@laurensexy93 looks like his customized kac sr16
sasquatch4liffee 1 year ago
why is chris wearing a knee pad on the side of his shin...
DevastatedX 1 year ago
0:19 what kind of sight is this? is it the aimpoint with a higher mount?
222Wildsau222 1 year ago
@222Wildsau222 Looks like the Aimpoint T-1.
Highjak86 1 year ago
I'm amazed by the number of folks making an issue of the 'professionals train to failure' comment........what do successful body builders train to? 'Failure'......no progress is made until training reaches the point of failure. Training that does not reach the point of failure does not lead to true progress.
sgtmac46 1 year ago
@sgtmac46 yeh i agree! they present this as a martial art training scenario with the samurai warrior on the front right? well when your sparring with your teammates and you get hit, you know you didnt do something right and then you fix it which tightens you up technically. so i totally understand what your saying. my teacher says he never wants to get his art perfect because then he would get sloppy. same way with handling guns in this video or any other training courses in any field of pracitc
psycho26shon 1 year ago
Damn, that guy at the very end cleared that jam instantly.
John234pwns 1 year ago
car-bean? or carbine?
TheOliveDude 1 year ago
holy shit, this shit gives me goose bumps!! adrenaline RUSH!!
HondaPRracing 1 year ago
A great instructional vid at a glance, I have not seen it. The only constructive criticism I have so far is that it is better to train as you fight, so if those are LE, MIL, or Contractors I would say train with the plates, kness, elbows, and Molle. It's a huge difference. Throwing yourself in the prone with all that on is entirely a change of pace and feel.
GIjohnpaul 1 year ago
the last clip sounds like paintball
tonyster2 1 year ago
I swear, by the time after you teach these people and they go into battle the enemy's gonna be thinking ".......fuck."
Maxrock9 1 year ago
This is awesome and all, however what if some mujahideen get this and train there guys using SF tactics?
OSUPITTSBURGH427 1 year ago
@OSUPITTSBURGH427 Mujahideen? I'm not worried about sandal-wearing sand people. They're really not a threat to you as a civilian, regardless of what the media whines about. Now gangbangers, like MS-13, Los Zetas, Kings, etc? Yeah. Be afraid if they get their hands on these types if videos. Chances are they already have, AND they're training with RPGs and handgrenades
Catalysis24 1 year ago
@Catalysis24 Who said I was a civilian
OSUPITTSBURGH427 1 year ago
@OSUPITTSBURGH427 Touchè
Catalysis24 1 year ago
where can i sign up?
trip4201 1 year ago
this should be common knowledge for all men born here in america, imagine if the whole world knew the every man had an ar-15 and were trained to this degree as apart of heritage or maybe just for kicks, yeah nobody would dare fuck with us even more than they do today.
secretsquirrell13 1 year ago
@secretsquirrell13 everyone one fucks with americans
CammanderKhan 1 year ago
are these actual millitary ar's? or s&w's?
friskysausage95 1 year ago
@friskysausage95 What you're probably meaning to say is, "Are these actual M4 rifles currently used by the US Military?" Judging from the video, I would say a good majority of these rifles are common AR15's availible to most US citizens. Judging by the Magpul training routine, the methods of controlled pairs and multiple shot placement are stressed. Personally, the burst capability of the M4 Carbine is a seldom used click on my selector switch.
EVLEngineer 1 year ago
were can i get the mag holder that mounts on the side of the receiver?
BTKScratch 1 year ago
@BTKScratch ..it's called a "Redi Mag". Google it. A little expensive too.
gmanflyairforce3 1 year ago
When in the class, does magpul supply the carbines for use, or is the student required to bring his own?
sir8aeriosthethird 1 year ago
My dick grew 15" as I saw this video. I feel so manly and powerful.
FractalBolt 1 year ago
the kama sutra instructional dvd of warfare.
1xXitachiXx1 1 year ago
could anyone tell me what is before the sentence "professional do it until they get it wrong" ?? I couldnt hear it.. forgive my bad english..
zerolionking 1 year ago
sbu?
skag187 1 year ago
Real rounds right?
directHITz 1 year ago
does anyone know why both Chris and Travis have kneepads around their right ankles?
7t77777 1 year ago
@7t77777
That's where you carry them when not in use.
gmz1997 1 year ago
@7t77777 Gang related ;)
Daytonaman675 1 year ago
@7t77777
Probably because they go into a kneeling position at some point and don't want to hurt their knees to bad - you only need one really if you shoot consistently from one side., having it at the ankle is a way to let blood flow and not restrict the movement when you don't need or use it.
haradrel82 1 year ago
mmmm luv me some magpul!!
ridah925 1 year ago
" If you guys are runnin ambi safety, this is where you'll see it probably come in handy"
Man, those two are legends. Wish I could train with them in the future...
Respect!
FighterAceee94 1 year ago
The timecode display in the lower right corner is somewhat distracting. Great video!
h3Xh3Xh3X 1 year ago
Jacksonville Florida! Hell yeah!
TheMisfit621 1 year ago
opurradurr
Hirouzamaki 1 year ago
AH IM IN JACKSONVILLE FLORIDA!!!
laxlag16 1 year ago
when they say "professionals train until they get it wrong." they mean professionals train till they are perfect at a certain distance and speed. then they keep moving faster and farther away until they make a mistake or shoot outside the x or 10 ring. Then they work till they are perfect at that speed and distance, and once they are there, they keep pushing the envelope to get better and better. So it is not a mis-speak. amatures train until they reach a goal and stop. profesionals do not.
mattyvip 1 year ago
If every jackass who sits and plays 1000s of hours of stupid ass shooting games, and took just one class like this, we would have such a fucked up government.
riverdave7 1 year ago
anyone know what brand of red dot scope they are using?
HeadlessHellHound 1 year ago
@HeadlessHellHound seems to be an aimpoint micro or whatever it's called
aznelite325 1 year ago
@aznelite325 Aimpoint T1 (or h1)
Daytonaman675 1 year ago
Luv magpul. Made acr (erm uh well made design but still gud gun) made pmag a rugged Polymer MAG and made a variaty of stocks not 2 mention the pdr...
Vernon682 1 year ago
pro train till they dont get it wrong
cameron629569 1 year ago
@cameron629569 Magpul Dynamics think a little different. It goes something like this...
Amateurs train till they get it right.
Experts train till they cannot get it wrong.
True Professionals push their failure points and learn from their new failures, thereby continuing to climb the ladder of excellence.
Magpul 1 year ago
@Magpul well chris costa said "professional do it until they get it wrong." i think he meant until they cannot get it wrong tho.
ZAC2994 1 year ago
@ZAC2994 -Incorrect. Chris knew what he was saying. I asked him about this prior to keeping the quote in the DVD. It refers to Professionals consistently pushing them self to their failure point and learning from it.
Magpul 1 year ago
@Magpul oo shit that make a lot of sence :O , thes guys are great
shultzjr1992 1 year ago
@Magpul i liked that quote actually. unlike ZAC, it makes sense to me. train hard, fight easy.
hax0r117 1 year ago
@ZAC2994 he means he trains so hard that eventually he finds something he can improve even know it would seem he cant get any better.
fatdan172501 1 year ago
@ZAC2994 I don't think I would argue with Magpul, lol.
rideHPD 1 year ago
@Magpul thats inspiring and can actually be applied in everyday living.
i myself live my life following that credo.
nakazatoGTR 1 year ago
@Magpul
and this means you can train till infinity or perfection.
a mistake in training is never a bad thing, you learn from it.
arthuro13 1 year ago
@Magpul that was beautiful
0mgwtfbbq21 1 year ago
@Magpul I got the meaning right away even before you explained it and I like the philosophy..I like how he phrases it too because it sticks in your head.
corismsyn 1 year ago
@Magpul what are your thoughts on direct gas operation systems as opposed to piston driven systems on the ar platform? also, what is the reliability rate for the direct gas system? and what do you use to lube your rifle?....thanks!!....ss13.
secretsquirrell13 9 months ago
@secretsquirrell13dont fix what isnt broken. The DI system has been proven over the years. keep it lubed an it will run dirty for thousands of rounds. As long as its lubed, an milspec high end parts. Like mpi/hpt rated bolts an bolt carriers 1:7 twist barrels, good extractors, m4 feed ramps,staked gas keys and reliable bcg's . These companys are GTG:Colt,LMT,BCM, noveski, Knights armament, Daniel Defense. Dont fall for the piston bullshit. Its internet dummies an rumors saying its more reliable.
HeartAE86 8 months ago
@HeartAE86 i feel the same way just wondering what the guys at magpul have to say about it im rocking a Rock River elite operator 2, all quality parts.....thanks for the reply.
secretsquirrell13 8 months ago
@HeartAE86 Yeah lol, just THINK about the difference between a DI and a piston gun. Why would i want to blow the dirty gasses back in the chamber?
TutMirNichts 8 months ago
@TutMirNichts did you ever put thousands of rounds through a piston gun? it gets really really dirty just like a DI gun. Or any gun for that matter. ONCE again, your another internet victom falling for it. BTW, piston guns fail an jam if there not lubed. Piston is not the end all be all reliable mr clean gun that people make it out to be. Serious, why are pro shooters like Chris Costa, Travis Hailey and Larry vickors use DI guns? they know it works, an runs well as long as its quality.
HeartAE86 8 months ago
@HeartAE86 A lot of what you say is correct, but at the end of the day a piston gun is more reliable than a DI gun. Guys like Haley and Vickers use them because that's what they're used to. That said, I've seen Vickers running an HK 416 on numerous occasions. How many DI guns are going to pass the 'over the beach' test? None. How much hotter does the bolt/bolt carrier get in a DI gun vs. a piston gun? Significantly.
Nater245689 8 months ago
@Nater245689 Now heres my cons for the piston gun. More specific parts for the piston gun that are hard to find. No where near the amount of extra di parts. Expensive, more parts also meens more failures. With the piston, rods, an springs equals unbalanced heavier gun. The AR style rifle is supposed to be light an balanced. Now you can argue with rails, an accessories its unbalanced an heavier. as for the over the beach test. Barrel cap an keep ejection port closed, an di gun will be fine.
HeartAE86 8 months ago
@HeartAE86 The lack of available parts is obviously a problem. More parts breaking is, however, completely un-true. You get far less extractor and extractor spring breakage on a piston gun than you do with a DI. Stoner's system was meant to run with a 20" barrel. The shorter you make that barrel, the more out of time the system is, the more chamber pressure there is during extraction. You don't have those problems with a piston rifle.
Nater245689 8 months ago
@HeartAE86 Furthermore, a little extra weight at the front of the rifle isn't necessarily a bad thing. It can aid in reducing muzzle climb. Also, like you yourself said, by the time you're done hanging optics, lights, lasers, ect. on the end of that rifle, the weight difference is minimal at best. Barrel caps and keeping the dust cover closed are all fine and good, but they're not a solution during training, let alone combat.
Nater245689 8 months ago
@Nater245689 Another note. Piston guns still get very hot like any other gun...Maybe not as hot as di guns. But heres somthing you proble didnt know. DI guns cool down faster then piston guns. That op rod thats in piston guns retains an holds the heat. Now if your firing a lightwieght machine gun with constant supressive fire then its nice to keep that heat down with a piston. A carbine, this doesnt matter. IM not going to blow through 500 rounds in a minute. DI will be more then adaquete.
HeartAE86 8 months ago
@HeartAE86 Piston guns do get hot, but the heat isn't transferred directly into the operating mechanism. Most of the heat stays at the gas block with leakage back to the piston cup with exponentially less the further back you go. With a DI gun, that heat gets dumped right into the bolt carrier. Heat isn't an issue with DI rifles? Tell that to the guys at Wanat...the ones who didn't get killed because their weapons over heated.
Nater245689 8 months ago
@HeartAE86 LOL and just one more. sry for the long reply. Its not that I hate piston guns. I own an AK an have a blast shooting it. I also like the SCAR type rifles. These were disigned as piston guns from the ground up. With rails soo the bolt carrier doesnt have carrier tilt. What I hate is when companys SHOE HORN a piston system into a DI rifle. Or use DI rifle design but with a piston instead. Also over the beach test.How do you think Navy Seals do it? Masking tape over the barrel. its GTG
HeartAE86 8 months ago
@HeartAE86 Yeah, and what if they have to shoot that rifle? Masking tape over the barrel and a closed dust cover isn't GTG then. They make specifically designed bags for M16-type weapons just for this purpose. I own a piston and a DI rifle. The piston gun I have doesn't show any signs of carrier tilt after ~3,000 rounds. There are two piston ARs on the market that don't have carrier tilt issues that I know of, HK's and LWRC's.
Nater245689 8 months ago
@cameron629569
No human being is infallible. If you're training at a level that nothing ever goes awry, you're not pushing hard enough. Training is a lifetime's pursuit. You can't achieve some arbitrary 100 percent proficiency and stop, reality doesn't work like that. Ask any "pro" and they'll tell you the same.
opmike343 1 year ago
@cameron629569 no cam. if a pro does not get it wrong it means he is playing it safe and not pushing himself. real pros train till they hit their failure point and learn how not to fuck up like that again, making them better than before.
copperjarhead 1 year ago
@cameron629569 I just explained this on another Magpul thread. With anything, you learn a lot more from failure than you do from success. That's what they're saying.
Nater245689 1 year ago
I don't wanna sound immature but, if you do have the DVD, at the shoulder transitioning section at 56 minutes, Travis Hayley is helping the guy with the 2 point sling and a couple seconds later you hear 2 farts and whats even funnier is that after those 2 farts, it turns out that Chris Costa was standing next to the camera and he walked right passed it a second after the fart ahaha
Cycofoo1914 1 year ago
it bugs me how he says 'carbeen'. i no its probably the technically correct way to say it, and chris costa is obviously waaaaaay more qualified than i will ever be and a bit of an awesome guy.....
.....but it still bugs me :p
ihatecheese1 1 year ago
@ihatecheese1
What should bug you, is that so many ignorant people have been pronouncing it incorrectly, that those who DO know how to properly say it have become the oddballs.
opmike343 1 year ago
i thought its pros train until they cant get it wrong
vmannguyen 1 year ago
Better question... Why does "Women farting in public toilets" come up as a related video?
ITSBEEKER 1 year ago
@ITSBEEKER ... because that's actually chris costa in the bathroom, queefing.
VegasGuns 1 year ago
whos the 10 d-bags that thumbs downed this video?
PUTMEONTHEREDLIST 1 year ago
Forget the Like button. They need a Love button!!
MahaloMoFo 1 year ago
What rails/handguard do Travis/Chris use on their rifles? There are many great brands out there and I'm looking for preferences.
40Zak 1 year ago
@40Zak If you have to go with aluminum, I have bought and currently using UTG. It's cheap (I think I paid 60), but it is comparable to pricier units. It's also HEAVY. Magpul does have a handguard out (its plastic and has slots to put rails) that seems to be nice and looks lightweight.
cppdsarge03 1 year ago
What does Travis/Chris use to carry their mags on the waist?
Poopitus 1 year ago
You bring your own.
PineTree94 1 year ago
When going to this training, do they provide Fire arms or do you bring your own ?
superchowhownd3 1 year ago
lmfao its billy maise lol
usmarinessince1775 1 year ago
@usmarinessince1775 No, its a badass with a gun, not a ball of detergent.
M4DPWN3R 1 year ago
I like to shoot holes into my enemies and then gently fart into the bullet hole or mouth.
greenlanderwanted 2 years ago
did he just say professionals train until they get it wrong?!
zitrixfrost 2 years ago
@zitrixfrost precisely. it means, you shoot, until you get it wrong, fix the wrong, get better. get it?
Tricksalot 1 year ago
they train until they get it wrong but since they are so good they do not get it wrong so therefore they keep training continuously
Maloner78 1 year ago
@zitrixfrost what he meant was practice it until they can not get it wrong.
TinkyHitman 1 year ago
Those guys already got a lot of training they would have to have to make the drills they are doing safe enough. Scary dangerous drills.
mouse454 2 years ago