@TheMessianicTruth engaging the culture does not mean doing the same things they do ! JESUS engaged HIS culture yet at the same time HE condemmed their evil acts
@patriotsfan1379 Ok, then if you are considering mere dressing up in a costume and getting candy from neighbors, perhaps doing evangelism at the same time with at least tracts as "doing evil acts," show me from scripture where this is condemned. Why is this evil?
@1tmoch participating in holloween gives sanction to a day that promotes witches,divination,haunted houses and other occultic practices which the bible forbids. you should know this you are a pastor or so I think I heard you say this before "" perhaps"' doing evangelisim? how ? at what time? no 1 wants to hear anything about GOD at this time tracts?come on man be serious evangelisim is 1 on 1 otherwise you doing nothing
@TheMessianicTruth The same can be said of the "spirit" of our culture, but does that mean we never leave the house to take care of business, to enjoy ourselves, or to engage that culture for Christ?
Tom, there is a new beer marketed as having been produced by one of the Busch grandsons, William. We have it here in St Louis, I don't know if it made it out to you yet, it's called "Kraftig" and it is really good. I drank a lot of it this holiday season.
Ok, also, I applied for a PRN ER tech job, buttwipes and bloodraws and 12 leads, almost hope i don't get it. You can work as little as 4 hour shifts though, after 24s I can do that on my head at 14 bucks clear an hour. OK, later.
@joestfrancois I did ekgs in the military a long time ago. Phlebotomists do most of my blood draws. I just access for iv starts, and butt wiping, well, if my cna asks for help, i am more than willing to help. $14 is fair depending on where you live. Here in CA they pay me $38 an hour, but in IL it'd probably be only about $26. I really like Sierra Madre Estate ($8-$10 for 24oz bottle). Or, if you want a little cheaper, go for $6 22 oz of double bastard ale. (10.5 etoh). Merry Christmas : )
@joestfrancois Yes, RN rates. If i work nights i make more or with the agency i can earn up to $50 an hour. Cost of living differential is met and then some by the increased wage, making CA a better financial location for me, not to mention all the other niceties SOCal has to offer. Stone brewing company makes double bastard. They are in San Diego, but they sell nation wide. I think i remember seeing it in an IL store when i was visiting family.
@1tmoch yeah, I have seen it too, but with Schlafley at 7 bucks a sixpack and stone at 10, I will take the schlafley.
I have not heard back from the local hospital, a paramedic I know can get me a job anytime I want at a different hospital. I am unsure, I could just continue to do the firefighting thing alone, but more money would not be wasted. I am undecided. Tired of death and destruction though, I think I want to garden.
most adicts began their jurney into adiction with 1 beer 1 joint because people told them it was harmless when we diregard the bible warnings as to abstain from all forms of evil it says it for a reason what i ask again what is GODLY about the day of holloween?? how is GOD gloryfied in this?
"most adicts began their jurney into adiction with 1 beer 1 joint because people told them it was harmless when we diregard the bible warnings as to abstain from all forms of evil"
Evil? Beer? Not according to the christian bible. Go to your concordance and look up "wedding at Cana." There is no "evil" in alcohol.
@joestfrancois"" woe unto them that call evil good and good evil "" weding a cana was wine not beer neither it was hard liquor it seems to me that many people interpret freedom in Christ to do anything they want including being a stumbling stone to others because they think its their ""right"" thats not what the bible teaches bet you the kind of person who don't even ask if it might bother someone if you have a drink before you do huh?cause you have rights huh?
"bet you the kind of person who don't even ask if it might bother someone if you have a drink before you do huh?cause you have rights huh?"
“Every man serves the good wine first, and when the people have become drunk, then he serves the poorer wine; but you have kept the good wine until now.” John 2:10
So why did Jesus provide wine to people that were already drunk? What do you think?
And I most certainly will not ask before I have a drink. Or 10.
@joestfrancois first of all this was a festive ocationnot an everyday thing 2 we don't even know if these people were believers 3 if you don't care to be a stumbling block to someone than I can see you are not a believer either for the bible makes it clear that i should walk in love not causing anyone to stumble !! i think am right in saying this cause you came in here advertising beer and nothing about JESUS so i see were your mind is
"2 we don't even know if these people were believers"
Are you implying that Jesus made wine because these people werre unbelieving drunks? You may be reading too much into the verses. What is clear is that at a party, after the wine had been flowing a while, Jesus is reported as supplying more.
As far as being a believer, I believe a lot of things. One thing I believe from my association with the christian bible, is that it is clear on nothing.
@joestfrancois are you saying they were believers? because than you are the 1 reading too much into the text what is clear is that JESUS used this miracle to announce HIS ministry that HE gave wine to people is of no consecuence rev;22;11 answers that
Wow, no, that believer stuff was a quote from one of YOUR comments. Listen, you called alcohol use evil. I provided a verse in your bible that showed Jesus providing more and better wine to people who had been drinking already. If alcohol use is evil, why did Jesus make wine for drunks at a wedding? Before you change the subject would you care to address that?
@joestfrancois reveletions 22,,11answers that rom ch.1 also adresses that if you don't want to give GOD glory HE will give you up but again who or where does it say in that passage that these were believers ?the bible makes it clear that we [believers]are not to get drunk!! but since you are not 1 than go ahead fill your glass lol
@patriotsfan1379 1st, moderate alcohol use is not prohibited in the bible, in fact it is encouraged in a couple spots. 2nd, while we should not want other weaker brothers to stumble, they should also not cause the drinking brother to stumble either by trying to prohibit his freedom or causing a ruckus over it, when perhaps he might be oblivious to others sensitivities at times. It goes both ways on that. Joe is an atheist (correct me if i'm wrong), so he could care less about the bible.
"Joe is an atheist (correct me if i'm wrong), so he could care less about the bible."
Tom, I like the bible, it is full of stories, but I am an atheist. Thing is, there is a lot of drunkeness in the bible, and from some big players too. It seems to me to point to rather pervasive use of alcohol during the time the bible was written. Even the Cana Wedding seems to point to a raucous party. To me anyway. Fun times, right on Jesus!
@1tmoch where is it encoyraged in the new testament? because if you are talking about timothy than you should know it was cause he was having problems with his stomach. the bible says drunkards will not inherit the kingdom of heaven sorry but we do not have the freedom to do as we please that is foreign todays culture idea you were bought at a price not to ""live for yourseves "" but for the one that bought you ""paul made it clear that if his freedom might make someone stumble than he
@1tmoch would rather go without than to cause someone to stumble ? are you kidding me? cause the drinking person to stumble?? now thats a good one i mean really laughing out loud thats a weak one as far as joe goes or anyone else people will always use certain things in the bible to justifie their actions been there done that am a previous drug and alcohol abuser I know 1st hand the damage hurt it causes how it tears familyes apert etc..
@patriotsfan1379 Dude, i'm not talking about Joe, and Joe is not using the bible to justify himself. How would you define "stumble," or what is your understanding of the biblical usage? For you as a previous ABUSER, you probably need to abstain altogether, but users of a substance in moderation is another story.
@1tmoch I hate people who think they have "rights" because the bible says we have privileges and those are not to be abused! or to abstain from them if it might become a stumbling block to another including unbelievers!! I don't drink now cause GOD has taken that and many other desires from me HE restraints me and am thankfull for that!! but I not too particularly happy with so called christians who demand rights on this or any other subject because the bible does not teach this
@patriotsfan1379 You say God has taken that from you, and with me, he has taken that legalistic nonsense from me. If you care to continue this conversation, see my video on the subject called "devil's brew." Type in 1tmoch devils brew. Until you can refute the scriptures i provide and give a positive case for your position (with scriptures) then stop responding.
@1tmoch what scriptures have you provided? as for me everything i have said its scriptural what scripture have you provided that tells that you have a right? to drink without being concerned who might you cause to stumble name 1
What you are missing is the obvious. Alcohol consumption as referenced in the christian bible shows it to be a regular everyday thing. With suspect water sources alcoholic beverages kept you healthy and alive. Drunkeness not so much, but make yourself a list of all the characters in the bible described as being "drunk" and it gets pretty long. You don't get to cherry-pick what is in your bible. Overall, regular use is there. Get over it.
@joestfrancois how [and an baffled] is it that an athiest thinks that he can tell what the bible teaches? the bible makes it clear that the natural man "CANNOT UNDERSTAND" THE THINGS OF GOD FOR TO HIM THEY ARE FOOLISHNESS !! if it was allowed back than as everyday thing it had to be really mellow wine for nowhere in the bible are we encouraged to be drunk or to be dominated by wine as far as the list of caracters everyone fails at 1 point or another in life it keeps us humble
@joestfrancois and and in rom 14 21 we are told that if anything might make a weaker brother stumble than we should not do it in front of him otherwise we are not walking in love but fullfilling only the desires of our flesh !! but ofcourse ypou would not know this would you? wow i will even say it backwards wow !! laughing out real loud!! the adict always wants to justifie his act that is common knowledge you might fool some 1 else but this 1 been there done that
@joestfrancois oh by the way I almost forgot !! even thouth that was the norm back than because of water problems it is not the norm today nor are we encouraged anywhere in the new testament to drink neither liquor or beer!! if you don't know what the bible teaches you should stay away from quoting it
LOL, LOL. So because I do not believe your bible I can't understand what is written in it? That is funny. You are one of those christians that makes up your religion without respect to what is written in the book that is supposed to be your guide. You can point to passages in your bible that say don't be a drunk, but ignore the obvious regular use of alcohol in your bible. Whatever. I am saving the good stuff for last, and not sharing with you.
@joestfrancois it is so ovious that what the bible teaches concerning unregenerate men its true! yes the bible gives accounts of people getting drunk but the reason you don't understand why it gives these accounts its because you are only looking for reasons to validate your drinking according to the bible there is no encouragement to drink in the new testament period !it is allowed but always with caution to others weaknesess something that oviously you dont care about at all
@patriotsfan1379 said "because you are only looking for reasons to validate your drinking according to the bible"
Nope, I was only showing how you were wrong. I do not base my life on the bible in any way. The point I am making is that alcohol is not "evil" and your bible shows a pervasive use of it. You saying it does not is incorrect. Like many, you make up your religion and choose what you want your bible to say. If I were at the wedding at Cana, Jesus would have given me a drink.
@joestfrancois I guess I have to take it slow with you I should understand that your mind has been darkened ofcourse JESUS would have you drink in the weding you are an unbeliever in no ways does it say that they were believers therefore JESUS gave them what they wanted we know for sure they didn't want HIM just like you don't !therefore GOD gives people up so that they worship things created instead of the creator the bible never says that these people were drunks all the time
Take your patronizing attitude and shove it up your ass my friend. Play your little games with the scriptures. Listen closley, in your bible it says Jesus was participating in a wedding. People were drunk. There was no more wine. Jesus magically made some more wine. The wine was given to the people who had been drinking already.
Is your point that the people at the wedding were already lost so it did not matter that your Jesus gave them more evil wine?
@joestfrancois oh look at this athiest all angry hahahahaah than they have the nerve to say they are more intelligent and better persons what a joke am done with you but i tell you 1 thing you would not have that attitude if you were in front of me thats for sure am done with you
@patriotsfan1379 said "but i tell you 1 thing you would not have that attitude if you were in front of me thats for sure am done with you "
Um, first, you were a jerk with the patronizing attitude and I gave that the response it deserved. Second, you evaded the statement, in my opinion, because you were wrong. And third if you were standing in front of me I would say more. What would you do? Turn the other cheek?
@joestfrancois the ones you so much claimed that got drunk but in those instances they either fell out of grace therefore commiting sin but it was not their norm by the way i looked at my posts and i never called alcohol evil i said abstain from all forms of evil [ie drinking all the time or regardless of who is in front of you or just to fullfill your evil desires etc..]
Remember, according to your bible, it was your Jesus that gave them MORE wine after they were already drunk, you sidestepped the point. It makes no difference though, you use the bible to justify what you think is right. Even though I don't believe it I know enough about it to know you pervert what it says. Watch how Tom does it, he at least reads the book.
@joestfrancois oh man again I KNOW HE GAVE THEM THE WINE THE PART YOU KEEP IGNORING IS THAT GOD DOES GIVE PEOPLE UP TO THEIR SINS NOW WHAT PART OF THAT DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND !!
@joestfrancois i pervert the scriptures huh? this coming from an ungreatfull athiests full of pride who thinks he can understand scripture apart from GOD!! now that is a laugh tell me more your facinating hahahahaah you and tom can watch videos togethr hahhaha
@patriotsfan1379 said "ungreatfull athiests full of pride who thinks he can understand scripture apart from GOD."
OK, you win, only you can understand what you are talking about. I just pointed out, with references from your bible, that you were wrong. You are just another theist who has created a god that agrees with every thought in his head. Is your god a patriot's fan too? Where is that in your bible?
"woe unto them that call evil good and good evil "" weding a cana was wine not beer neither it was hard liquor it seems to me that many people interpret freedom in Christ to do anything they want"
Wine has more alcohol by volume than beer, I only drink it when I want to get drunk fast.
the mentality of todays people is to see angels as little fat kids who are harmless but the bible shows them as fearsome beings with swords that can kill 1000s with 1 stroke they see deamonds as non threatening beings who are only fairy tales we can dress up like them cause they are harmless we have no fear of those things because we as christians have taken the fear of them thats exactly what satan wants that we see things as harmless not to be feard so we can go and dable in these things
I can see chrismass as long as long as Christ centered and yea am not too crazy bout a tree either ; I can see thanks giving if its GOD centered but there is no way hollowing should be observed the bible makes it clear that we should not follow what the world does and hollowing has nothing to do with Christ or thnks giving to GOD or anything there is nothing holy in hollowing period
@1tmoch the bible does not specifically adress every single subject by name of course but it lets oous know1-that the devil comes as an angel of light meaning in things that seem harmless like harry potter movies which show kids withchcraft is not soo bad2-the bible even says that we should abstain from foods that are sacrified to idols for we don't want to become a stumbling block to others!there are people who have came out of being witches etc.and are christians now when do we draw the line
@patriotsfan1379 I think the devil works more craftily in causing Christians to be caught up with and worried about insignificant things in life, like a Lord of the Rings movie, spending time crusading against it. It gets really ridiculous when you play it out consistently.
@1tmoch maybe you need to read James Montgomery Boice commentary on rom 12 and see how tv has affected todays world I will not argue on this I think you do a great job preaching out there I can only hope that soon I will be abl to do it but it is cause I seen your vids with chriss and dave anyways GOD bless
@1tmoch when do we draw the line and say oh this so harmless ??we should abstain from every form of evil even when dressedas icing on the cake for the love of those who don't know better for those who came out of that life style but I will not judge for me it is wrong halloween and easter egg hunts I will not participate in them i will not give my time effort or money to further those causes
@1tmoch You are right the bible does not say anything about that. The bible also does not talk about illegal drugs such as cocaine, speed & marijuana. Dressing up and knocking on peoples doors for candy is not wrong. But holloween has lots of satanic and witchcraft symbol and costumes things like that can lead a curious kid to witchcraft and stuff. Also we are teaching kids that it is ok to take candy from a scary/stranger man/woman. just a thought.
@blackbird01T The bible does talk about ILLEGAL drugs. It says that it is immoral to disobey the governing bodies, so that therefore makes it sin to participate in their use. If for instance in California, MJ is legal for patients who can benefit from it, i'd say it is no different than certain other drugs that are prescribed that can alter the state of thinking a bit. For some, that alteration is theraputic, where their normal state is wacked. This all depends on thc to cbd ratio's, etc.
@malikzzzzz Who said it was bad? Oct. 3, 1863: In the midst of the Civil War, President Lincoln proclaims a national Thanksgiving Day on the last Thursday in November. The proclamation reads, in part: "I do therefore invite my fellow citizens in every part of the United States, and also those who are at sea and those who are sojourning in foreign lands, to set apart and observe the last Thursday of November next, as
@TruthDefenders I've been told by multiple sources that it was a gathering of the Pilgrims to celebrate the mass murdering of the Indians. Idk, it doesn't fly with me though...if you guys hear anything, please, do a video on it lol. God bless!
@malikzzzzz Did you ask the person that told this for facts to support that claim? The burden of proof on the person that made the claim, ask him, then we can have something to go with on the claims. But ask for a scholarly reference not just hearsay.
@malikzzzzz ...who dwelleth in the Heavens. And I recommend to them that while offering up the ascriptions justly due to Him for such singular deliverances and blessings, they do also, with humble penitence for our national perverseness and disobedience, commend to his tender care all those who have become widows, orphans, mourners or sufferers in the lamentable civil strife in which we are unavoidably engaged, and fervently implore the interposition of the Almighty Hand to heal the...
@malikzzzzz ...to heal the wounds of the nation and to restore it as soon as may be consistent with the Divine purposes to the full enjoyment of peace, harmony, tranquillity and Union."
@TheMessianicTruth many christians use words like legalistic, lacks spiritual discernment, Paul once said " i speak as a man " in the same manner "we think as men", the carnal mind is enmity (enemy) to THE MOST HIGH, YAH says in the old testament "are not my ways equal and your ways unequal".. so i have no problem with anything YAH has done, our wisdom is like foolishness to YAH, not once does scripture use the word legalism, but its speaks heavily of obedience and teaching others to do so
being obedient isnt keeping the traditions of men, especially those that are pagan rituals and genocide historical fact, like thanksgiving, and those of christmas, easter (the way its celebrated....not the word, and halloween is un excusable to participate in satans day, and then to teach others to do so
@bigbadwolff1 Yes, the feast days of the Scripture im beginning to keep, i keep no holidays at all anymore, once you know the truth there is no way to stay in a lie, we have to really study the origins of these things for ourself, we cant say it may mean this or that, but it doesnt mean anything to me, thats folly, the truth has to mean something, or the truth becomes of no use to us
@TheMessianicTruth am agreeing with you you gave a sound answer
patriotsfan1379 1 month ago
@TheMessianicTruth engaging the culture does not mean doing the same things they do ! JESUS engaged HIS culture yet at the same time HE condemmed their evil acts
patriotsfan1379 1 month ago
@patriotsfan1379 Ok, then if you are considering mere dressing up in a costume and getting candy from neighbors, perhaps doing evangelism at the same time with at least tracts as "doing evil acts," show me from scripture where this is condemned. Why is this evil?
1tmoch 1 month ago
@1tmoch participating in holloween gives sanction to a day that promotes witches,divination,haunted houses and other occultic practices which the bible forbids. you should know this you are a pastor or so I think I heard you say this before "" perhaps"' doing evangelisim? how ? at what time? no 1 wants to hear anything about GOD at this time tracts?come on man be serious evangelisim is 1 on 1 otherwise you doing nothing
patriotsfan1379 1 month ago
@TheMessianicTruth The same can be said of the "spirit" of our culture, but does that mean we never leave the house to take care of business, to enjoy ourselves, or to engage that culture for Christ?
1tmoch 1 month ago
Tom, there is a new beer marketed as having been produced by one of the Busch grandsons, William. We have it here in St Louis, I don't know if it made it out to you yet, it's called "Kraftig" and it is really good. I drank a lot of it this holiday season.
Ok, also, I applied for a PRN ER tech job, buttwipes and bloodraws and 12 leads, almost hope i don't get it. You can work as little as 4 hour shifts though, after 24s I can do that on my head at 14 bucks clear an hour. OK, later.
joestfrancois 2 months ago
@joestfrancois I did ekgs in the military a long time ago. Phlebotomists do most of my blood draws. I just access for iv starts, and butt wiping, well, if my cna asks for help, i am more than willing to help. $14 is fair depending on where you live. Here in CA they pay me $38 an hour, but in IL it'd probably be only about $26. I really like Sierra Madre Estate ($8-$10 for 24oz bottle). Or, if you want a little cheaper, go for $6 22 oz of double bastard ale. (10.5 etoh). Merry Christmas : )
1tmoch 1 month ago
@1tmoch Merry Christmas bud. Who makes the Double Bastard? I don't recall why but I dislike the Sierra Madre. Are you talking RN rates?
joestfrancois 1 month ago
@joestfrancois Yes, RN rates. If i work nights i make more or with the agency i can earn up to $50 an hour. Cost of living differential is met and then some by the increased wage, making CA a better financial location for me, not to mention all the other niceties SOCal has to offer. Stone brewing company makes double bastard. They are in San Diego, but they sell nation wide. I think i remember seeing it in an IL store when i was visiting family.
1tmoch 1 month ago
@1tmoch yeah, I have seen it too, but with Schlafley at 7 bucks a sixpack and stone at 10, I will take the schlafley.
I have not heard back from the local hospital, a paramedic I know can get me a job anytime I want at a different hospital. I am unsure, I could just continue to do the firefighting thing alone, but more money would not be wasted. I am undecided. Tired of death and destruction though, I think I want to garden.
joestfrancois 1 month ago
@1tmoch It's Sierra Nevada (not Madre), by the way.
1tmoch 1 month ago
most adicts began their jurney into adiction with 1 beer 1 joint because people told them it was harmless when we diregard the bible warnings as to abstain from all forms of evil it says it for a reason what i ask again what is GODLY about the day of holloween?? how is GOD gloryfied in this?
patriotsfan1379 2 months ago
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"most adicts began their jurney into adiction with 1 beer 1 joint because people told them it was harmless when we diregard the bible warnings as to abstain from all forms of evil"
Evil? Beer? Not according to the christian bible. Go to your concordance and look up "wedding at Cana." There is no "evil" in alcohol.
joestfrancois 1 month ago
@joestfrancois"" woe unto them that call evil good and good evil "" weding a cana was wine not beer neither it was hard liquor it seems to me that many people interpret freedom in Christ to do anything they want including being a stumbling stone to others because they think its their ""right"" thats not what the bible teaches bet you the kind of person who don't even ask if it might bother someone if you have a drink before you do huh?cause you have rights huh?
patriotsfan1379 1 month ago
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"bet you the kind of person who don't even ask if it might bother someone if you have a drink before you do huh?cause you have rights huh?"
“Every man serves the good wine first, and when the people have become drunk, then he serves the poorer wine; but you have kept the good wine until now.” John 2:10
So why did Jesus provide wine to people that were already drunk? What do you think?
And I most certainly will not ask before I have a drink. Or 10.
joestfrancois 1 month ago
@joestfrancois first of all this was a festive ocationnot an everyday thing 2 we don't even know if these people were believers 3 if you don't care to be a stumbling block to someone than I can see you are not a believer either for the bible makes it clear that i should walk in love not causing anyone to stumble !! i think am right in saying this cause you came in here advertising beer and nothing about JESUS so i see were your mind is
patriotsfan1379 1 month ago
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"2 we don't even know if these people were believers"
Are you implying that Jesus made wine because these people werre unbelieving drunks? You may be reading too much into the verses. What is clear is that at a party, after the wine had been flowing a while, Jesus is reported as supplying more.
As far as being a believer, I believe a lot of things. One thing I believe from my association with the christian bible, is that it is clear on nothing.
I do like beer.
joestfrancois 1 month ago
@joestfrancois are you saying they were believers? because than you are the 1 reading too much into the text what is clear is that JESUS used this miracle to announce HIS ministry that HE gave wine to people is of no consecuence rev;22;11 answers that
patriotsfan1379 1 month ago
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Wow, no, that believer stuff was a quote from one of YOUR comments. Listen, you called alcohol use evil. I provided a verse in your bible that showed Jesus providing more and better wine to people who had been drinking already. If alcohol use is evil, why did Jesus make wine for drunks at a wedding? Before you change the subject would you care to address that?
joestfrancois 1 month ago
@joestfrancois reveletions 22,,11answers that rom ch.1 also adresses that if you don't want to give GOD glory HE will give you up but again who or where does it say in that passage that these were believers ?the bible makes it clear that we [believers]are not to get drunk!! but since you are not 1 than go ahead fill your glass lol
patriotsfan1379 1 month ago
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You said alcohol is evil. If alcohol use is evil, why did Jesus make wine for drunks at a wedding? Do you have an answer for that?
joestfrancois 1 month ago
@patriotsfan1379 1st, moderate alcohol use is not prohibited in the bible, in fact it is encouraged in a couple spots. 2nd, while we should not want other weaker brothers to stumble, they should also not cause the drinking brother to stumble either by trying to prohibit his freedom or causing a ruckus over it, when perhaps he might be oblivious to others sensitivities at times. It goes both ways on that. Joe is an atheist (correct me if i'm wrong), so he could care less about the bible.
1tmoch 1 month ago
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"Joe is an atheist (correct me if i'm wrong), so he could care less about the bible."
Tom, I like the bible, it is full of stories, but I am an atheist. Thing is, there is a lot of drunkeness in the bible, and from some big players too. It seems to me to point to rather pervasive use of alcohol during the time the bible was written. Even the Cana Wedding seems to point to a raucous party. To me anyway. Fun times, right on Jesus!
joestfrancois 1 month ago
@1tmoch where is it encoyraged in the new testament? because if you are talking about timothy than you should know it was cause he was having problems with his stomach. the bible says drunkards will not inherit the kingdom of heaven sorry but we do not have the freedom to do as we please that is foreign todays culture idea you were bought at a price not to ""live for yourseves "" but for the one that bought you ""paul made it clear that if his freedom might make someone stumble than he
patriotsfan1379 1 month ago
@1tmoch would rather go without than to cause someone to stumble ? are you kidding me? cause the drinking person to stumble?? now thats a good one i mean really laughing out loud thats a weak one as far as joe goes or anyone else people will always use certain things in the bible to justifie their actions been there done that am a previous drug and alcohol abuser I know 1st hand the damage hurt it causes how it tears familyes apert etc..
patriotsfan1379 1 month ago
@patriotsfan1379 Dude, i'm not talking about Joe, and Joe is not using the bible to justify himself. How would you define "stumble," or what is your understanding of the biblical usage? For you as a previous ABUSER, you probably need to abstain altogether, but users of a substance in moderation is another story.
1tmoch 1 month ago
@1tmoch I hate people who think they have "rights" because the bible says we have privileges and those are not to be abused! or to abstain from them if it might become a stumbling block to another including unbelievers!! I don't drink now cause GOD has taken that and many other desires from me HE restraints me and am thankfull for that!! but I not too particularly happy with so called christians who demand rights on this or any other subject because the bible does not teach this
patriotsfan1379 1 month ago
@patriotsfan1379 You say God has taken that from you, and with me, he has taken that legalistic nonsense from me. If you care to continue this conversation, see my video on the subject called "devil's brew." Type in 1tmoch devils brew. Until you can refute the scriptures i provide and give a positive case for your position (with scriptures) then stop responding.
1tmoch 1 month ago
@1tmoch what scriptures have you provided? as for me everything i have said its scriptural what scripture have you provided that tells that you have a right? to drink without being concerned who might you cause to stumble name 1
patriotsfan1379 1 month ago
@patriotsfan1379
What you are missing is the obvious. Alcohol consumption as referenced in the christian bible shows it to be a regular everyday thing. With suspect water sources alcoholic beverages kept you healthy and alive. Drunkeness not so much, but make yourself a list of all the characters in the bible described as being "drunk" and it gets pretty long. You don't get to cherry-pick what is in your bible. Overall, regular use is there. Get over it.
joestfrancois 1 month ago
@joestfrancois how [and an baffled] is it that an athiest thinks that he can tell what the bible teaches? the bible makes it clear that the natural man "CANNOT UNDERSTAND" THE THINGS OF GOD FOR TO HIM THEY ARE FOOLISHNESS !! if it was allowed back than as everyday thing it had to be really mellow wine for nowhere in the bible are we encouraged to be drunk or to be dominated by wine as far as the list of caracters everyone fails at 1 point or another in life it keeps us humble
patriotsfan1379 1 month ago
@joestfrancois and and in rom 14 21 we are told that if anything might make a weaker brother stumble than we should not do it in front of him otherwise we are not walking in love but fullfilling only the desires of our flesh !! but ofcourse ypou would not know this would you? wow i will even say it backwards wow !! laughing out real loud!! the adict always wants to justifie his act that is common knowledge you might fool some 1 else but this 1 been there done that
patriotsfan1379 1 month ago
@joestfrancois oh by the way I almost forgot !! even thouth that was the norm back than because of water problems it is not the norm today nor are we encouraged anywhere in the new testament to drink neither liquor or beer!! if you don't know what the bible teaches you should stay away from quoting it
patriotsfan1379 1 month ago
@patriotsfan1379
LOL, LOL. So because I do not believe your bible I can't understand what is written in it? That is funny. You are one of those christians that makes up your religion without respect to what is written in the book that is supposed to be your guide. You can point to passages in your bible that say don't be a drunk, but ignore the obvious regular use of alcohol in your bible. Whatever. I am saving the good stuff for last, and not sharing with you.
joestfrancois 1 month ago
@joestfrancois it is so ovious that what the bible teaches concerning unregenerate men its true! yes the bible gives accounts of people getting drunk but the reason you don't understand why it gives these accounts its because you are only looking for reasons to validate your drinking according to the bible there is no encouragement to drink in the new testament period !it is allowed but always with caution to others weaknesess something that oviously you dont care about at all
patriotsfan1379 1 month ago
@patriotsfan1379 said "because you are only looking for reasons to validate your drinking according to the bible"
Nope, I was only showing how you were wrong. I do not base my life on the bible in any way. The point I am making is that alcohol is not "evil" and your bible shows a pervasive use of it. You saying it does not is incorrect. Like many, you make up your religion and choose what you want your bible to say. If I were at the wedding at Cana, Jesus would have given me a drink.
joestfrancois 1 month ago
@joestfrancois I guess I have to take it slow with you I should understand that your mind has been darkened ofcourse JESUS would have you drink in the weding you are an unbeliever in no ways does it say that they were believers therefore JESUS gave them what they wanted we know for sure they didn't want HIM just like you don't !therefore GOD gives people up so that they worship things created instead of the creator the bible never says that these people were drunks all the time
patriotsfan1379 1 month ago
@patriotsfan1379
Take your patronizing attitude and shove it up your ass my friend. Play your little games with the scriptures. Listen closley, in your bible it says Jesus was participating in a wedding. People were drunk. There was no more wine. Jesus magically made some more wine. The wine was given to the people who had been drinking already.
Is your point that the people at the wedding were already lost so it did not matter that your Jesus gave them more evil wine?
joestfrancois 1 month ago
@joestfrancois oh look at this athiest all angry hahahahaah than they have the nerve to say they are more intelligent and better persons what a joke am done with you but i tell you 1 thing you would not have that attitude if you were in front of me thats for sure am done with you
patriotsfan1379 1 month ago
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@patriotsfan1379 said "but i tell you 1 thing you would not have that attitude if you were in front of me thats for sure am done with you "
Um, first, you were a jerk with the patronizing attitude and I gave that the response it deserved. Second, you evaded the statement, in my opinion, because you were wrong. And third if you were standing in front of me I would say more. What would you do? Turn the other cheek?
joestfrancois 1 month ago
@joestfrancois yea right !! hahaha
patriotsfan1379 1 month ago
@joestfrancois the ones you so much claimed that got drunk but in those instances they either fell out of grace therefore commiting sin but it was not their norm by the way i looked at my posts and i never called alcohol evil i said abstain from all forms of evil [ie drinking all the time or regardless of who is in front of you or just to fullfill your evil desires etc..]
patriotsfan1379 1 month ago
@patriotsfan1379 said "ones you so much claimed that got drunk"
Remember, according to your bible, it was your Jesus that gave them MORE wine after they were already drunk, you sidestepped the point. It makes no difference though, you use the bible to justify what you think is right. Even though I don't believe it I know enough about it to know you pervert what it says. Watch how Tom does it, he at least reads the book.
joestfrancois 1 month ago
@joestfrancois oh man again I KNOW HE GAVE THEM THE WINE THE PART YOU KEEP IGNORING IS THAT GOD DOES GIVE PEOPLE UP TO THEIR SINS NOW WHAT PART OF THAT DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND !!
patriotsfan1379 1 month ago
@joestfrancois thats why in revelations HE says he who is evil keep doing evil
patriotsfan1379 1 month ago
@joestfrancois i pervert the scriptures huh? this coming from an ungreatfull athiests full of pride who thinks he can understand scripture apart from GOD!! now that is a laugh tell me more your facinating hahahahaah you and tom can watch videos togethr hahhaha
patriotsfan1379 1 month ago
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@patriotsfan1379 said "ungreatfull athiests full of pride who thinks he can understand scripture apart from GOD."
OK, you win, only you can understand what you are talking about. I just pointed out, with references from your bible, that you were wrong. You are just another theist who has created a god that agrees with every thought in his head. Is your god a patriot's fan too? Where is that in your bible?
joestfrancois 1 month ago
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@patriotsfan1379
"woe unto them that call evil good and good evil "" weding a cana was wine not beer neither it was hard liquor it seems to me that many people interpret freedom in Christ to do anything they want"
Wine has more alcohol by volume than beer, I only drink it when I want to get drunk fast.
joestfrancois 1 month ago
the mentality of todays people is to see angels as little fat kids who are harmless but the bible shows them as fearsome beings with swords that can kill 1000s with 1 stroke they see deamonds as non threatening beings who are only fairy tales we can dress up like them cause they are harmless we have no fear of those things because we as christians have taken the fear of them thats exactly what satan wants that we see things as harmless not to be feard so we can go and dable in these things
patriotsfan1379 2 months ago
I can see chrismass as long as long as Christ centered and yea am not too crazy bout a tree either ; I can see thanks giving if its GOD centered but there is no way hollowing should be observed the bible makes it clear that we should not follow what the world does and hollowing has nothing to do with Christ or thnks giving to GOD or anything there is nothing holy in hollowing period
patriotsfan1379 2 months ago
@patriotsfan1379 Show me where in the bible it condemns dressing up in costumes and knocking on peoples doors for candy.
1tmoch 2 months ago
@1tmoch the bible does not specifically adress every single subject by name of course but it lets oous know1-that the devil comes as an angel of light meaning in things that seem harmless like harry potter movies which show kids withchcraft is not soo bad2-the bible even says that we should abstain from foods that are sacrified to idols for we don't want to become a stumbling block to others!there are people who have came out of being witches etc.and are christians now when do we draw the line
patriotsfan1379 2 months ago
@patriotsfan1379 I think the devil works more craftily in causing Christians to be caught up with and worried about insignificant things in life, like a Lord of the Rings movie, spending time crusading against it. It gets really ridiculous when you play it out consistently.
1tmoch 1 month ago
@1tmoch maybe you need to read James Montgomery Boice commentary on rom 12 and see how tv has affected todays world I will not argue on this I think you do a great job preaching out there I can only hope that soon I will be abl to do it but it is cause I seen your vids with chriss and dave anyways GOD bless
patriotsfan1379 1 month ago
@1tmoch when do we draw the line and say oh this so harmless ??we should abstain from every form of evil even when dressedas icing on the cake for the love of those who don't know better for those who came out of that life style but I will not judge for me it is wrong halloween and easter egg hunts I will not participate in them i will not give my time effort or money to further those causes
patriotsfan1379 2 months ago
@1tmoch You are right the bible does not say anything about that. The bible also does not talk about illegal drugs such as cocaine, speed & marijuana. Dressing up and knocking on peoples doors for candy is not wrong. But holloween has lots of satanic and witchcraft symbol and costumes things like that can lead a curious kid to witchcraft and stuff. Also we are teaching kids that it is ok to take candy from a scary/stranger man/woman. just a thought.
blackbird01T 1 month ago
@blackbird01T The bible does talk about ILLEGAL drugs. It says that it is immoral to disobey the governing bodies, so that therefore makes it sin to participate in their use. If for instance in California, MJ is legal for patients who can benefit from it, i'd say it is no different than certain other drugs that are prescribed that can alter the state of thinking a bit. For some, that alteration is theraputic, where their normal state is wacked. This all depends on thc to cbd ratio's, etc.
1tmoch 1 month ago
@1tmoch I guess i never thought of it that way thanks for the info!
blackbird01T 1 month ago
I haven't found any "facts" that thanksgiving is bad, just rumors. If anyone can provide infallible proof, please show it to me...God bless!
malikzzzzz 3 months ago
@malikzzzzz Who said it was bad? Oct. 3, 1863: In the midst of the Civil War, President Lincoln proclaims a national Thanksgiving Day on the last Thursday in November. The proclamation reads, in part: "I do therefore invite my fellow citizens in every part of the United States, and also those who are at sea and those who are sojourning in foreign lands, to set apart and observe the last Thursday of November next, as
a day of Thanksgiving and
Praise to our beneficent Father
who dwelleth in...
TruthDefenders 3 months ago
@TruthDefenders I've been told by multiple sources that it was a gathering of the Pilgrims to celebrate the mass murdering of the Indians. Idk, it doesn't fly with me though...if you guys hear anything, please, do a video on it lol. God bless!
malikzzzzz 3 months ago
@malikzzzzz Did you ask the person that told this for facts to support that claim? The burden of proof on the person that made the claim, ask him, then we can have something to go with on the claims. But ask for a scholarly reference not just hearsay.
Have a nice day :)
TruthDefenders 2 months ago
@malikzzzzz ...who dwelleth in the Heavens. And I recommend to them that while offering up the ascriptions justly due to Him for such singular deliverances and blessings, they do also, with humble penitence for our national perverseness and disobedience, commend to his tender care all those who have become widows, orphans, mourners or sufferers in the lamentable civil strife in which we are unavoidably engaged, and fervently implore the interposition of the Almighty Hand to heal the...
TruthDefenders 3 months ago
@malikzzzzz ...to heal the wounds of the nation and to restore it as soon as may be consistent with the Divine purposes to the full enjoyment of peace, harmony, tranquillity and Union."
Have a nice day :)
TruthDefenders 3 months ago
@TheMessianicTruth many christians use words like legalistic, lacks spiritual discernment, Paul once said " i speak as a man " in the same manner "we think as men", the carnal mind is enmity (enemy) to THE MOST HIGH, YAH says in the old testament "are not my ways equal and your ways unequal".. so i have no problem with anything YAH has done, our wisdom is like foolishness to YAH, not once does scripture use the word legalism, but its speaks heavily of obedience and teaching others to do so
thebuhl1126 3 months ago
search this vid: Rush Limbaugh: The True Story of Thanksgiving 2010 [HD]
TruthDefenders 3 months ago
being obedient isnt keeping the traditions of men, especially those that are pagan rituals and genocide historical fact, like thanksgiving, and those of christmas, easter (the way its celebrated....not the word, and halloween is un excusable to participate in satans day, and then to teach others to do so
thebuhl1126 3 months ago 6
@thebuhl1126 Are there any holidays that you observe?
bigbadwolff1 3 months ago
@bigbadwolff1 Yes, the feast days of the Scripture im beginning to keep, i keep no holidays at all anymore, once you know the truth there is no way to stay in a lie, we have to really study the origins of these things for ourself, we cant say it may mean this or that, but it doesnt mean anything to me, thats folly, the truth has to mean something, or the truth becomes of no use to us
thebuhl1126 3 months ago
the old free will ism bid .. its a myth .... good to know ur have time for this known ur studying as well
followerofjesus1984 3 months ago
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Job 14:4 Who can bring a clean thing out of an unclean? NOT one.
Having children participate in satanic holidays is passing them through the fire...you're dedicating them to demonic spirits in the spirit realm.
Deuteronomy 12:28-32
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