"Tea Party' is a Big lie. It's not the simple 1700s. We now have millions of life-saving water-food-air-safety, police, military, etc. provided by "big government" (We The People). During the real Tea Party there were no freeways, bridges nor school that allow real tax-paying patriots to work & contribute to the superior progress this nation has. I've never whined about paying taxes as without regulations many of us wouldn't be here. Due to Cheney's deregulations the Gulf is an oil pool."
where were all these dumbass teaparty people 8 years ago when bush was running up huge deficits with tax cuts to the rich, 2 wars, medicare part d...seems to be the teaparty is just a bunch of bigots who can't stand the sight of a black man in the white house...tea party is just a cover for the KKK....it has nothing to do with any real substance.
I really dig you guys' professionalism and politeness. I'm honostly not a big fan of the TEA party movement, not at all. But if half of the Tea folks had the manners that you guys did, they would be far more respected. Good job you guys.
Great Video. Yes, we need to rise up again, to fight the corporate influence over our government, just like they did in 1773, when the British East India Company (which was heavily invested by the British government) tried to force it's cheap merchandice upon our economy and undermine our smaller businesses with an unfair tax while they paid nothing. We must tell the corporate elites and those in our government who have been paid for, by them, that we will not tolerate their crony capitalism!!
Typical "so called conservatives" scream and yell NO TAXES, are quick to start never-ending wars, unwilling to pay for them, instead want more tax cuts. That's why our national debt went from 5.7trillion to 10.6 trillion under Bush. Not to mention the trillions in bailouts to fix the crashed economy these failed policies created in the first place. Don't believe me? EDUCATE YOURSELF PLEASE!
SOURCE US treasury website: GOOGLE "us treasury debt to the penny" SEE FOR YOURSELF. WAKE UP PEOPLE!!!
These people are idiots. They are protesting and voting against their own interests. I feel bad for them, but I guess it's "corporate mission accomplished" for Fox News.
My pastor says that Glenn Beck would make a good president or a good pope. He said to watch him and decide for myself if Obama is a socialist or not. He said that I'm smart. Then he told me to pull my pants down and fuck his mouth with my young, hard dick. He asked me to squirt a load of my hot young jizz down his throat. I did both of these things. My pastor says I'm a good boy. I think Glenn Beck would make a grate president with Sarah Palin.
We are way too polite. They steel trillions from our Treasury, brainwash us and our children, export our jobs, send our young people off to kill and die in wars based on LIES and we are still saying please and thank you? Freedom of speech and assembly cannot be abridged. They assign us to remote protest areas because they don't want to see or hear us. Are the railroad cars next? Polite passive resistance nullifies itself and emboldens those who would put us in Chains.
Most Americans can get coverage under existing programs. People who lose their jobs, have no job or are disabled qualify for medicaid. Many people who have jumped on the universal health care band wagon are the 18 to thirty crowd who have health care plans available to them at work but opt out, Why should they have to pay for it? Drop the ego and apply for Medicaid, or take out a employer plan. If you think it's expensive now, move to England. 53% tax rates will be a real culture shock for you.
Let me try and put it in a manner most republicans can understand
If you are a christian of any sort and you are against healthcare reform you are going directly against your own beliefs..
You should want as many people to be covered as possible to limit human suffering, but no there are no real christians left, just a bunch of scared selfish people who can no longer be expected to help their fellow man.
Number one, Christians follow their beliefs in a personal way. It is very legalistic and even disingenuous to say that all Christians should support one thing. Especially when something like health care is never mentioned.
Number two, you are to love your neighbor in a personal way, not in a way that demands nothing of you except impersonal money.
Finally, it is up to each church to define how they want to help humanity. If it is health care, let them. If not, don't browbeat them.
well it shouldnt be in a personal way. You shouldnt pick and choose which part of "Gods word " you follow. If you do your being dense. If its what God wanted then its all or nothing, stop joking yourself.
And if your telling me your allowed to be selfish in christianity your just crazy. You are not supposed to be better off than anyone in christianity. Study before making empty comments
If one understands Christianity, they would know that God is personal and we must not be forced by man's rules. It is God who gave man freewill to do what he pleases, and follow the Lord in a personal way.
Christ did not ask people to simply give their money . He also asked us to be "cheerful givers." Which means that we should not give if we will not willing give it up. For the giving shall not be peace with God but for our egos. I am not asking for selfishness simply cheerful giving.
Finally, to any atheist who argues that Christians should push for this cannot argue that Christians cannot push for other issues based on personal religious convictions. Because, they have effectually nullified the idea of separation of church and state.
To state that Christians should support this means that it is okay to set up a political system based on religious beliefs.
Therefore, an atheist cannot be mad when Christians want to stop same-sex marriage, or to stop abortion.
Not at all true... Im just making the point that it fits christian belief structure so very well.
Second cheerful givers just means you should always be happy to give no matter how below or above your means you may be.. You are trying to say its ok to be a selfish christian which is just a lie
Im just making the topic understandable for those with faith.
You dont pick and choose whos life to save, or whos life is worth more than others. That would be very un-christlike
Most importantly if you bring up same sex and abortion i hope you also dont consume shellfish or wear clothing of mixed woven fibers.,.. Both very much specified to be sins
Do not use a straw-man on me. No one ever said someone's life is worth more than another.
I am willing to help someone pay for health insurance if they needed it and asked. In fact I want a health care voucher program to help people pay through a charitable org.
Second, I do not like any state authorized marriages. However, once again you cannot be mad or even argue with someone (Muslim, Christian, Jewish, etc.) if they want to impose gov't action based on personal beliefs if it "fits."
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This is America. It's written in the constitution that we must "Promote the general welfare."
Should people die because of greed? Because of others trying to put a monetary value on health and life? No, they shouldn't, especially not in the United States.
start pulling up some letters from the time the Constitution was written and dictionaries.
General Welfare as used in the Constitution means common happiness. And it is only a compliment of a taxing and spending clause to be used in conjuction with the other enumerated powers.
There is no authority in the Constitution for the government to tax me to give someone else free stuff. Period.
Lol, once the government taxes you, they use the money for whatever they want, as it belongs to them, now.
General welfare means the same thing now as it did 200+ years ago, and you know it. If they'd meant happiness, they'd have said it, as they did at numerous other points.
The two greatest single avoidable factors to your health leading to chronic diseases and a lot of medical bills are not smoking and not being obese. I don't think that we can have a government option here we just have too damn many fat people that will sink us all with them with all of their health care costs....some have to die before their time (AKA the bad genes) so others can go on. Why do blacks and latins have such a higher rate of diabetes and obesity? They cant control urges!
By what authority does government have to take private property from one citizen and give it to another?
It is also written "The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people."
It's called taxation, and it's the price we pay for living in a society.
Aside from the fact that the second they tax money from you, ownership moves from you to them, what is this obsession in America for taking care of eachother?
Are you people so selfish and childish that you won't sacrifice a luxury so that someone in need may have a necessity?
You people throw around "Communist" and "Socialist" as if they're insults. They're political ideologies, and I do not subscribe to communism.
I'll pay for my own health insurance, thank you, but I'm not going to sit by and watch people who do not have it be refused medical care and be bankrupted with hospital bills. This new bill will not benefit me. It will benefit America, and I won't let the misinformed stand in the way of it.
When people call you a communist, it is insulting because it shows how backwards your thinking is.
If communism and socialism were so great, it wouldn't be an insult now would it? Your best example might be China. However, those bastards harvest organs from poor people and auction them off to the very rich. There has never been an example where communism and socialism has worked out for the poor.
Also, there is no law that prevents YOU from giving to charities.
China doesn't harvest organs from the poor, they take them from executed criminals. Anyway, what does that have to do with this argument?
If you can't find modern examples of socialist policies around the world which support the poor, it is because you do not wish to find them. They are everywhere. Many European countries are Democratic-Socialist, and their countries are far nicer to live in.
Anyway, which Charity wants to insure the millions of uninsured Americans?
Im just trying to figure out how a socialist scholar like you uses the Common Welfare Clause of the Constitution of the United States of America to make a point and then proceeds to tell me Many European countries are Democratic-Socialist, and their countries are far nicer to live in.
If that is the case Brain, shouldnt we just abolish the Constitution?
The U.S. government should play it's role and serve it's people, and with millions of uninsured, it's not doing that. The constitution not only says nothing which would prohibit universal healthcare, but also tells us to promote the common welfare.
I really don't understand what you're trying to say. Are you suggesting that my using Europe to make a point shows that I'm against the U.S. constitution?
But you don't get to decide what role the fed plays.
It's not your argument that dictates the role of the US government. It is the Constitution that spells out how it is to be run.
Furthermore, there is not a period after the common welfare clause. It goes on to say exactly what the federal government is supposed to do like build postal roads. Government run healthcare was never written into constitution and was never added as an amendment.
Right, and as long as the constitution does not forbid something, we are allowed to decide for ourselves whether or not to do it.
Actually, it says: "...promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."
Fact is, Nationalized healthcare is not unconstitutional.
You still havn't answered my question, are you a US citizen?
You are totally taking that out of context. Look at your own quote. It clearly is explaining the establishment of the Constitution. The role of the government in regards to General welfare is spelled out in Article 1 Section 8.
FACT: Healthcare is not in there. Neither is foodcare, sheltercare or clothingcare.
Yes, I am a U.S. citizen. It still has nothing to do with this argument.
Sure, it's not in there, but it's not unconstitutional in any way. There are plenty of programs we have today that aren't outlined word for word in the constitution, either.
Why I ask? Mainly because you don't sound like a US citizen to me. I want to understand your point of view.
Anyway, just because the fed enacts something that is unconstitutional (like medicaid), it does not mean that you can use it to merit the case for something else.
@BrianTotse NOONE gets refused healthcare now, without gov't intervention. It is guaranteed through the Hipocratic oath of all Doctors, and supported by the Medical Industry. The costs get sread across the paying base already. There is no need to be resolved by Government Intervention.
In the end, the uninsured has a debt for the care they receive that they may or may not repay in the end. But nobody in need is refused. Go to the Emergency room and see for youself how it is now...
The ones trying to stop Health Care Reform are scared, willfully ignorant yokels being bused in and given their marching orders by shills working for big insurance companies. These are sad people who are clueless and angry about it.
They would rather trust their lives to an insurance co. board then a government run and managed by their fellow citizens.
Aging, bloated dinosaurs. Roaring out their last frenzined bellows of puzzled rage. That's what's driving them bugfuck nuts. Fat-assed, too.
The main argument is againt Universal healthcare (a.k.a. socilaized medicine) is the fact that American citizens will be taxed more than they already are, especially when there is a multi-trillion dollar deficit. Secondly, there is a perception (perhaps a misperception in some eyes) that Americans will recieve poor quality healthcare compared to private insurers. A few folks out there don't want to pay for health for the poor (a.k.a black people).
Well, sure, taxes may go up, but this is balanced out by the fact that premiums and insurance rates will be far, far lower due to having to compete with the very affordable national plan.
The country with the highest rated quality of care (By the World Health Organization) is England, which has socialized medicine under the name of the NHS (National Health Service). It has been serving them since the 1940s.
So I'm watching these protest videos of dumb rednecks yelling and being real brave while surrounded by other rednecks ..but then I came across the one of Rep. Donna Edwards and the only peep out of the NASCAR fans was some old white guy asking politely about tort reform. Why the civility?...half of that room was black people...hehehe, I guess the white trash knew that if they wanted to still be able to chew their food and walk with a normal gait that it might be a good time to shut the fuck up.
praizjesus, The same white people your calling "white trash" are the same people that have family died fighting for your freedoms. So far you have proven your nothing but a brown shirt.
Hey nrlsky , yea tell that to the professor Gates.
lubingruby dude you make no sense do you really wanna piss off the whole country for being a bitch snitch. OBAMACARE is bullshit government run healthcare has never worked look at canada and europe do you really think it's gonna work here really just look around. Dude we actully read the bill lol you didn't so who nows more us or the far left OBAMA man that you love. Obama has stepped on a very very in raged beast i hope he's ready for the consquences. Manily losing in 2010 and 2012.
Do you even know how its like in Europe? What the hell is wrong with Europe? Tell me one thing? Is it that their food is better? Is it that their people are happier? Is it that their obesity rates aren't through the roof? Is it that they're polite? Is it that it's clean? Is it that they reinvest money back into infrastructure? Is it that the people are actually taken care of? I've been to Europe plenty of times and let me tell you it's a great place to take as an example for the United States.
Are you Kidding Railwayman? Why aren't you protesting all the other wars we are paying for? Is that all you got is some gripe about Iraq? If you are going to comment atleast think.
Spending some money for Govt. Health care? Our veterans who have fought for freedom for us have a rotten health care system run by the government. The govt. has failed our veterans for years and will fail us if this passes.
How come these teabag losers don't protest about tax dollars being spent in Iraq? Or defending non-democratic countries like Kuwait? I guess they call that 'patriotic", but spending some money for health care for all Americans in the USA would not be? Yep typical right wing naiveness and selfishness on the homefront.
Liberals are condemning the protesters and the liberal media is helping them do it. Yep constitution shredding liberals hard at work. Do you really think all those elderly citizens are getting memos through email to go out and disrupt these town hall meetings? And if Shabaka87 is going to have a fit about where we get the news from I HAD to take that from fox news because the liberal media wont even cover the protests that the majority of Americans support.
These people are being manipulated by groups like Freedom Works. It's very sad.
To fully participate in a democracy you need to be able to think your way through complex issues like health care.
You also need to be able to engage in civil discourse and meaningful debate. Jefferson, Adams and the other founders deplored "mob rule" but these crazies are proud of their ignorance.
Following someone like Limbaugh on an issue like health care is like a chicken asking Col. Sanders about cooking.
Meaningful debate? HA! NOTHING meaningful comes out of the Liberals and the Liberals in Congress don't even want to engage in debate and meaningful discussion with the Conservatives. All Liberals should hang for treason.
They've obviously never been to a demo before in their lives. Who pays them and how much? Apparently they are surprised that this representative doesn't spend all her time at this particular district office. Ooooh. Scandal. I've never seen so many denim manpris (way long shorts) at a demonstration ever.
who's the racist calling these white protestors rednex (you can't even spell by the way) you'll reap what you sow if you go down the road with Obama. Wake up soon or good luck with getting any healthcare when the govt takes over. cash for clunkers ran out of money what do you think will happen to healthcare when the govt runs out of money???
no, YOU ARE WRONG.....and I can report you to the white house for spreading false information about the healthcare bill! You need to educate yourself before you open your mouth
I know you can report me to the white house; this is waht communists do to take control over people. It is called "the discipline of the masses with terror". Do not forget to tell them too that we are watching them all very closely and storing food to be prepare for the civil war in the case they decide to commit fraud in the next elections. Let them know that too.
How about this one...the new GM's sales are far below Ford's who was in the same situation as them and didn't take any bailout money. And don't worry that one came off a liberal channel but they sort of you know flipped it all around to make it sound like it wasn't the administrations fault.
This is a perfect way to make the government fear the people, as it should. I loved the spontaneous protesters honking as they drove by. Instant classic.
Revolution is brewing. Find your next local TEA Party while we're still allowed the right of peaceful assembly.
McCaskill is suppose to represent ALL of Missourians.
Yet she ONLY has offices in BLACK areas, and ONLY holds "town hall" meetings in BLACK areas.
If this bitch thinks she can write off the white voters and do an "Ohio" (that is, conjur up 200,000 ILLEGAL voter registrations) in 2012, think again.
McCaskill WILL LOSE in 2012.
With polls showing her losing 2-1, but yet she somehow "finds" missing ballots in trunks of cars, and Russ Carnahan declares her "winner", there WILL be Civil War!!
hmm, black cop tells white protesters they have a right to assemble, but not this close?
I dont recall seeing that in the Constitution!
In any event, when asked how far away we had to stand, all he could say was 'I dont know, when I look it up I will let you know'!!
This is BULLSHIT!
ACORN did another demonstration a few days later (supporting NoMommaCare) but they were NOT 'too close' - even though they were on the SAME FUCKING SIDEWALK!
What a rowdy out of control crowd! They are really, really scary....what with waving the American Flags and everything. There needs to be more of these protests...the elected officials are NOT doing what is in the best interest of the country...only what serves them politically.
Good show! In Bellingha (see video) we had a quiet rally with 50 folks and got to spend about an hour INSIDE the office clue in in the staff (rep was out of town)
Socialised medicine is the only way to have universal healthcare. when will dumb stupid Americans understand this! The whole world is getting universal healthcare, Africa, India and it will be socialised but dumb Americans like the fact that some can pay and some can't pay for healthcare!
I've never seen anyone turned away at the emergency room. I'm there a lot and I've seen lots of people there that I'm sure I'm paying for their healthcare anyway!
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UncleVinnys 10 months ago
haha, patriots.
ballcapmusicbox 11 months ago
lol the cop says move and the sheep move ........ a nation of scared pussys
jrockyourdome 1 year ago
The law is now being challenged ni a Federal.Court.Let's see if this is Justice or more Just US.
mueygringo 1 year ago
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Tea Party fanatics suffer SCHIZOPHRENIA :
-they say government-run insurance would be fascism or communism, but they love popular government-run insurance:Medicare
-TParty love wars, but hate to pay taxes to finance wars
-TParty hate government spending & love Reagan largest gov spending after WW II
-TP accuses ill. immigrants for not paying taxes
& they do not mind when corporations do not pay taxes
-TP hateObama spending to grow economy,& not protest 3 TRILLION Bush war spending
renatasequoia 1 year ago
hey i remeber hitler started a movement in germany too. and we see what happen...........
thesouthrapsucks 1 year ago
"Tea Party' is a Big lie. It's not the simple 1700s. We now have millions of life-saving water-food-air-safety, police, military, etc. provided by "big government" (We The People). During the real Tea Party there were no freeways, bridges nor school that allow real tax-paying patriots to work & contribute to the superior progress this nation has. I've never whined about paying taxes as without regulations many of us wouldn't be here. Due to Cheney's deregulations the Gulf is an oil pool."
windycityrodeo 1 year ago
@windycityrodeo just more fat white people,,, no blacks or hispanics,,,how come are they racist look at any video they got on you tube
1949b 1 year ago
@1949b no indian americans no other cultures just poor white fat trash
thesouthrapsucks 1 year ago
@thesouthrapsucks thats the teebag party old white people good and paranoid
1949b 1 year ago
@thesouthrapsucks You can bet they all have their own Health Insurance.
garwoodv6 1 year ago
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1deadlysquirrel 1 year ago
I support the tea party protesters constitutional right to be morons.
Wingnutserstoopid 1 year ago
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where were all these dumbass teaparty people 8 years ago when bush was running up huge deficits with tax cuts to the rich, 2 wars, medicare part d...seems to be the teaparty is just a bunch of bigots who can't stand the sight of a black man in the white house...tea party is just a cover for the KKK....it has nothing to do with any real substance.
jsb02009 1 year ago
idiots
RefindVideopro 1 year ago
these people are idiots
ekrub205 1 year ago
I really dig you guys' professionalism and politeness. I'm honostly not a big fan of the TEA party movement, not at all. But if half of the Tea folks had the manners that you guys did, they would be far more respected. Good job you guys.
BboyKundei503 1 year ago
Kill the 3000 page pile of crap bill that contains nothing about Health Care.!!
Kill the Bill..
Pork em hard..
Vote em out..
Nobody wants it...
hadenufnow 2 years ago 5
I agree, vote these commie creeps out of office in november
Alexn1067 2 years ago
the zoo has an african lion, the white house a lying african
ohyea2u 2 years ago
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Great Video. Yes, we need to rise up again, to fight the corporate influence over our government, just like they did in 1773, when the British East India Company (which was heavily invested by the British government) tried to force it's cheap merchandice upon our economy and undermine our smaller businesses with an unfair tax while they paid nothing. We must tell the corporate elites and those in our government who have been paid for, by them, that we will not tolerate their crony capitalism!!
MrSteveSpears 2 years ago
Typical "so called conservatives" scream and yell NO TAXES, are quick to start never-ending wars, unwilling to pay for them, instead want more tax cuts. That's why our national debt went from 5.7trillion to 10.6 trillion under Bush. Not to mention the trillions in bailouts to fix the crashed economy these failed policies created in the first place. Don't believe me? EDUCATE YOURSELF PLEASE!
SOURCE US treasury website: GOOGLE "us treasury debt to the penny" SEE FOR YOURSELF. WAKE UP PEOPLE!!!
earthtokirk 2 years ago
@earthtokirk
a little late...your argument looks as good as the liars in government...including your messiah...we the ppl did not cause our debt, the US Fed did!
YOU ARE THE ONE WHO NEEDS TO WAKE UP!
shineurs2 1 year ago
These people are idiots. They are protesting and voting against their own interests. I feel bad for them, but I guess it's "corporate mission accomplished" for Fox News.
jensen1901 2 years ago
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My pastor says that Glenn Beck would make a good president or a good pope. He said to watch him and decide for myself if Obama is a socialist or not. He said that I'm smart. Then he told me to pull my pants down and fuck his mouth with my young, hard dick. He asked me to squirt a load of my hot young jizz down his throat. I did both of these things. My pastor says I'm a good boy. I think Glenn Beck would make a grate president with Sarah Palin.
BECK/PALIN 2012!!!!! SPREAD THE WORD!!!!!
marcprolife 2 years ago
We are way too polite. They steel trillions from our Treasury, brainwash us and our children, export our jobs, send our young people off to kill and die in wars based on LIES and we are still saying please and thank you? Freedom of speech and assembly cannot be abridged. They assign us to remote protest areas because they don't want to see or hear us. Are the railroad cars next? Polite passive resistance nullifies itself and emboldens those who would put us in Chains.
22popuser 2 years ago 4
R.I. P. CONSTITUTION will not last for long. Americans want their country back. 9/12/09 Washington D. C.
kev189110 2 years ago 3
Most Americans can get coverage under existing programs. People who lose their jobs, have no job or are disabled qualify for medicaid. Many people who have jumped on the universal health care band wagon are the 18 to thirty crowd who have health care plans available to them at work but opt out, Why should they have to pay for it? Drop the ego and apply for Medicaid, or take out a employer plan. If you think it's expensive now, move to England. 53% tax rates will be a real culture shock for you.
Nicodemus98 2 years ago
Let me try and put it in a manner most republicans can understand
If you are a christian of any sort and you are against healthcare reform you are going directly against your own beliefs..
You should want as many people to be covered as possible to limit human suffering, but no there are no real christians left, just a bunch of scared selfish people who can no longer be expected to help their fellow man.
Im an atheist by the way, just making a point
shinjo73 2 years ago
Number one, Christians follow their beliefs in a personal way. It is very legalistic and even disingenuous to say that all Christians should support one thing. Especially when something like health care is never mentioned.
Number two, you are to love your neighbor in a personal way, not in a way that demands nothing of you except impersonal money.
Finally, it is up to each church to define how they want to help humanity. If it is health care, let them. If not, don't browbeat them.
goingalt 2 years ago
well it shouldnt be in a personal way. You shouldnt pick and choose which part of "Gods word " you follow. If you do your being dense. If its what God wanted then its all or nothing, stop joking yourself.
And if your telling me your allowed to be selfish in christianity your just crazy. You are not supposed to be better off than anyone in christianity. Study before making empty comments
shinjo73 2 years ago
If one understands Christianity, they would know that God is personal and we must not be forced by man's rules. It is God who gave man freewill to do what he pleases, and follow the Lord in a personal way.
Christ did not ask people to simply give their money . He also asked us to be "cheerful givers." Which means that we should not give if we will not willing give it up. For the giving shall not be peace with God but for our egos. I am not asking for selfishness simply cheerful giving.
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goingalt 2 years ago
Finally, to any atheist who argues that Christians should push for this cannot argue that Christians cannot push for other issues based on personal religious convictions. Because, they have effectually nullified the idea of separation of church and state.
To state that Christians should support this means that it is okay to set up a political system based on religious beliefs.
Therefore, an atheist cannot be mad when Christians want to stop same-sex marriage, or to stop abortion.
goingalt 2 years ago
Not at all true... Im just making the point that it fits christian belief structure so very well.
Second cheerful givers just means you should always be happy to give no matter how below or above your means you may be.. You are trying to say its ok to be a selfish christian which is just a lie
shinjo73 2 years ago
Im just making the topic understandable for those with faith.
You dont pick and choose whos life to save, or whos life is worth more than others. That would be very un-christlike
Most importantly if you bring up same sex and abortion i hope you also dont consume shellfish or wear clothing of mixed woven fibers.,.. Both very much specified to be sins
shinjo73 2 years ago
Do not use a straw-man on me. No one ever said someone's life is worth more than another.
I am willing to help someone pay for health insurance if they needed it and asked. In fact I want a health care voucher program to help people pay through a charitable org.
Second, I do not like any state authorized marriages. However, once again you cannot be mad or even argue with someone (Muslim, Christian, Jewish, etc.) if they want to impose gov't action based on personal beliefs if it "fits."
goingalt 2 years ago
@shinjo73
That makes about as much sense as me trying to tell an atheist how they aren't NOT believing in God proficiently.
By the way... I don't believe in atheists.
TheMoorSlayer 2 years ago
Then why argue with someone who doesnt exist???
And all you did was make a blind comment that is backed by nothing... so if you have nothing productive to say, shut up =)
shinjo73 2 years ago
Nice try. As a poster on youtube, I assume that you are a human that exists.
Split hairs much?
TheMoorSlayer 2 years ago
Well then could you please explain to me why its ok to pick and choose what you want to believe out of the bible?
If its all Gods word what makes any part of it any less important?
shinjo73 2 years ago
omg it looks like sick americans who are like animals without brains stand there like assholes not knowing what they are doing)Ahahhaha
dannbaman 2 years ago
no thats just the republicans.
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usrevolution2 2 years ago
Did she REALLY say "we're not trying to be a disturbance"? Really...? Good grief - does the camera man have parkinson's or something?
EraldCoilvideos 2 years ago
Where do you get off saying this crap? I mean Really
dmynd2 2 years ago
hey police man!!!!!! know the fucking law before you try to enforce it!!!!!!!! and be a good servant and just take your orders
ihateblueballs 2 years ago
This is America. It's written in the constitution that we must "Promote the general welfare."
Should people die because of greed? Because of others trying to put a monetary value on health and life? No, they shouldn't, especially not in the United States.
BrianTotse 2 years ago
start pulling up some letters from the time the Constitution was written and dictionaries.
General Welfare as used in the Constitution means common happiness. And it is only a compliment of a taxing and spending clause to be used in conjuction with the other enumerated powers.
There is no authority in the Constitution for the government to tax me to give someone else free stuff. Period.
Bankingcartel 2 years ago 3
Lol, once the government taxes you, they use the money for whatever they want, as it belongs to them, now.
General welfare means the same thing now as it did 200+ years ago, and you know it. If they'd meant happiness, they'd have said it, as they did at numerous other points.
BrianTotse 2 years ago
The two greatest single avoidable factors to your health leading to chronic diseases and a lot of medical bills are not smoking and not being obese. I don't think that we can have a government option here we just have too damn many fat people that will sink us all with them with all of their health care costs....some have to die before their time (AKA the bad genes) so others can go on. Why do blacks and latins have such a higher rate of diabetes and obesity? They cant control urges!
bkdmd 2 years ago
By what authority does government have to take private property from one citizen and give it to another?
It is also written "The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people."
dmynd2 2 years ago
It's called taxation, and it's the price we pay for living in a society.
Aside from the fact that the second they tax money from you, ownership moves from you to them, what is this obsession in America for taking care of eachother?
Are you people so selfish and childish that you won't sacrifice a luxury so that someone in need may have a necessity?
BrianTotse 2 years ago
So the truth comes out, you are a true communist.
You know what I think is selfish, is you don't want to work and you want someone else to pay your health insurance for you.
Go back to Russia and leave me and my family alone.
dmynd2 2 years ago
You people throw around "Communist" and "Socialist" as if they're insults. They're political ideologies, and I do not subscribe to communism.
I'll pay for my own health insurance, thank you, but I'm not going to sit by and watch people who do not have it be refused medical care and be bankrupted with hospital bills. This new bill will not benefit me. It will benefit America, and I won't let the misinformed stand in the way of it.
BrianTotse 2 years ago
Brian Totse,
When people call you a communist, it is insulting because it shows how backwards your thinking is.
If communism and socialism were so great, it wouldn't be an insult now would it? Your best example might be China. However, those bastards harvest organs from poor people and auction them off to the very rich. There has never been an example where communism and socialism has worked out for the poor.
Also, there is no law that prevents YOU from giving to charities.
dmynd2 2 years ago
China doesn't harvest organs from the poor, they take them from executed criminals. Anyway, what does that have to do with this argument?
If you can't find modern examples of socialist policies around the world which support the poor, it is because you do not wish to find them. They are everywhere. Many European countries are Democratic-Socialist, and their countries are far nicer to live in.
Anyway, which Charity wants to insure the millions of uninsured Americans?
BrianTotse 2 years ago
Brian Totse,
You seem like a smart guy.
Question for you, are you a US citizen? If so are you a natural born citizen?
dmynd2 2 years ago
This information is irrelevant.
Get on with the conversation.
BrianTotse 2 years ago
Wow Brian Totse,
Irrelevant, really? Ahhh I knew it.
Who are you working for?
dmynd2 2 years ago
I'm not working for anybody, ass. Stop trying to change the subject.
I have to be working for somebody because I'm a smart guy? This is a youtube argument, not a conspiracy.
BrianTotse 2 years ago
Hey Mr. Brian,
Isnt God great?
Im just trying to figure out how a socialist scholar like you uses the Common Welfare Clause of the Constitution of the United States of America to make a point and then proceeds to tell me Many European countries are Democratic-Socialist, and their countries are far nicer to live in.
If that is the case Brain, shouldnt we just abolish the Constitution?
Please do, continue with the youtube argument.
dmynd2 2 years ago 2
That is my argument.
The U.S. government should play it's role and serve it's people, and with millions of uninsured, it's not doing that. The constitution not only says nothing which would prohibit universal healthcare, but also tells us to promote the common welfare.
I really don't understand what you're trying to say. Are you suggesting that my using Europe to make a point shows that I'm against the U.S. constitution?
BrianTotse 2 years ago
But you don't get to decide what role the fed plays.
It's not your argument that dictates the role of the US government. It is the Constitution that spells out how it is to be run.
Furthermore, there is not a period after the common welfare clause. It goes on to say exactly what the federal government is supposed to do like build postal roads. Government run healthcare was never written into constitution and was never added as an amendment.
dmynd2 2 years ago
Right, and as long as the constitution does not forbid something, we are allowed to decide for ourselves whether or not to do it.
Actually, it says: "...promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."
Fact is, Nationalized healthcare is not unconstitutional.
BrianTotse 2 years ago
You still havn't answered my question, are you a US citizen?
You are totally taking that out of context. Look at your own quote. It clearly is explaining the establishment of the Constitution. The role of the government in regards to General welfare is spelled out in Article 1 Section 8.
FACT: Healthcare is not in there. Neither is foodcare, sheltercare or clothingcare.
dmynd2 2 years ago
Yes, I am a U.S. citizen. It still has nothing to do with this argument.
Sure, it's not in there, but it's not unconstitutional in any way. There are plenty of programs we have today that aren't outlined word for word in the constitution, either.
BrianTotse 2 years ago
Why I ask? Mainly because you don't sound like a US citizen to me. I want to understand your point of view.
Anyway, just because the fed enacts something that is unconstitutional (like medicaid), it does not mean that you can use it to merit the case for something else.
Thanks for the debate & God bless
dmynd2 2 years ago
You're a ridiculous person.
BrianTotse 2 years ago
@BrianTotse NOONE gets refused healthcare now, without gov't intervention. It is guaranteed through the Hipocratic oath of all Doctors, and supported by the Medical Industry. The costs get sread across the paying base already. There is no need to be resolved by Government Intervention.
In the end, the uninsured has a debt for the care they receive that they may or may not repay in the end. But nobody in need is refused. Go to the Emergency room and see for youself how it is now...
garwoodv6 1 year ago
"patriots" ???
"ignorant delusional morons" seems a bit more on target.
realbleamer 2 years ago
This has been flagged as spam show
The ones trying to stop Health Care Reform are scared, willfully ignorant yokels being bused in and given their marching orders by shills working for big insurance companies. These are sad people who are clueless and angry about it.
They would rather trust their lives to an insurance co. board then a government run and managed by their fellow citizens.
Aging, bloated dinosaurs. Roaring out their last frenzined bellows of puzzled rage. That's what's driving them bugfuck nuts. Fat-assed, too.
Jubb3500 2 years ago
People living in countries with socialized medicine live longer than us, have lower rates of disease than us and their care costs LESS than ours.
What about that doesn't sound better to you people?
BrianTotse 2 years ago
The main argument is againt Universal healthcare (a.k.a. socilaized medicine) is the fact that American citizens will be taxed more than they already are, especially when there is a multi-trillion dollar deficit. Secondly, there is a perception (perhaps a misperception in some eyes) that Americans will recieve poor quality healthcare compared to private insurers. A few folks out there don't want to pay for health for the poor (a.k.a black people).
ffairlane57 2 years ago
Well, sure, taxes may go up, but this is balanced out by the fact that premiums and insurance rates will be far, far lower due to having to compete with the very affordable national plan.
The country with the highest rated quality of care (By the World Health Organization) is England, which has socialized medicine under the name of the NHS (National Health Service). It has been serving them since the 1940s.
BrianTotse 2 years ago
It's going to be a long debate, though the fringies at both ends will continue to distort information at every step.
I will, however, say that Congress, the Senate & the White House is rushing this issue way too fast and carelessly.
ffairlane57 2 years ago
How is it going too fast? It's been six months, and they still haven't finished putting it all together.
All this talk about "Rushing the bill through" is a scare tactic.
By the way, for the past 8 years, I never heard any complaints from the Right of president Bush passing bills quickly.
BrianTotse 2 years ago
ffairlane57 - you sound like the racist.
Why do you percieve poor people as being black?
dmynd2 2 years ago
dmynd2, I said "a few folks", not myself....learn to read.
You want to call me a racist, that's your problem.
ffairlane57 2 years ago
ffairlane57 - would you be preferred to be called a "race baiter" instead?
dmynd2 2 years ago
Really, name your source.
dmynd2 2 years ago
Claire's not here, man.
Do these people truly have no idea how idiotic they sound?
kegler4 2 years ago
It's funny because the very idiots who think that they are the most informed and politically active are the ones that who are killing their party.
ishmealm 2 years ago
DON'T TREAD ON ME
Longfellow89 2 years ago
So I'm watching these protest videos of dumb rednecks yelling and being real brave while surrounded by other rednecks ..but then I came across the one of Rep. Donna Edwards and the only peep out of the NASCAR fans was some old white guy asking politely about tort reform. Why the civility?...half of that room was black people...hehehe, I guess the white trash knew that if they wanted to still be able to chew their food and walk with a normal gait that it might be a good time to shut the fuck up.
praizjesus 2 years ago
There is no reason to be racist; it benefits no one.
nrlsky 2 years ago
hey
praizjesus, The same white people your calling "white trash" are the same people that have family died fighting for your freedoms. So far you have proven your nothing but a brown shirt.
Hey nrlsky , yea tell that to the professor Gates.
KangarooBoo08 2 years ago
Oh yeah, of course some of them served in the army. And screw that Obama guy what did he ever do for this coun.... Oh wait, he's the president!
ABdadaSURD 2 years ago
Nice shot of the teabaggers' butts
Trekkerjon 2 years ago
lubingruby dude you make no sense do you really wanna piss off the whole country for being a bitch snitch. OBAMACARE is bullshit government run healthcare has never worked look at canada and europe do you really think it's gonna work here really just look around. Dude we actully read the bill lol you didn't so who nows more us or the far left OBAMA man that you love. Obama has stepped on a very very in raged beast i hope he's ready for the consquences. Manily losing in 2010 and 2012.
bigJ09z 2 years ago 3
Do you even know how its like in Europe? What the hell is wrong with Europe? Tell me one thing? Is it that their food is better? Is it that their people are happier? Is it that their obesity rates aren't through the roof? Is it that they're polite? Is it that it's clean? Is it that they reinvest money back into infrastructure? Is it that the people are actually taken care of? I've been to Europe plenty of times and let me tell you it's a great place to take as an example for the United States.
ABdadaSURD 2 years ago
Are you Kidding Railwayman? Why aren't you protesting all the other wars we are paying for? Is that all you got is some gripe about Iraq? If you are going to comment atleast think.
Spending some money for Govt. Health care? Our veterans who have fought for freedom for us have a rotten health care system run by the government. The govt. has failed our veterans for years and will fail us if this passes.
bnbamity 2 years ago
How come these teabag losers don't protest about tax dollars being spent in Iraq? Or defending non-democratic countries like Kuwait? I guess they call that 'patriotic", but spending some money for health care for all Americans in the USA would not be? Yep typical right wing naiveness and selfishness on the homefront.
railwayman95 2 years ago
Bush is not in office anymore, Obama can bring them home if he wants to.
jlcochran 2 years ago
Liberals are condemning the protesters and the liberal media is helping them do it. Yep constitution shredding liberals hard at work. Do you really think all those elderly citizens are getting memos through email to go out and disrupt these town hall meetings? And if Shabaka87 is going to have a fit about where we get the news from I HAD to take that from fox news because the liberal media wont even cover the protests that the majority of Americans support.
MrGOPERA 2 years ago 3
These people are being manipulated by groups like Freedom Works. It's very sad.
To fully participate in a democracy you need to be able to think your way through complex issues like health care.
You also need to be able to engage in civil discourse and meaningful debate. Jefferson, Adams and the other founders deplored "mob rule" but these crazies are proud of their ignorance.
Following someone like Limbaugh on an issue like health care is like a chicken asking Col. Sanders about cooking.
d35pmartin 2 years ago
Meaningful debate? HA! NOTHING meaningful comes out of the Liberals and the Liberals in Congress don't even want to engage in debate and meaningful discussion with the Conservatives. All Liberals should hang for treason.
TheSecretSword 2 years ago 2
They've obviously never been to a demo before in their lives. Who pays them and how much? Apparently they are surprised that this representative doesn't spend all her time at this particular district office. Ooooh. Scandal. I've never seen so many denim manpris (way long shorts) at a demonstration ever.
romeo9k 2 years ago
neo-cons getting a childish thrill by playing protest.
EraldCoilvideos 2 years ago
you sound stupid, power to the people
dmynd2 2 years ago
what exactly is your point?
dmynd2 2 years ago
Watch Youtube video: The Health Care Bill: What they DON'T want you to know!
Then forward to EVERYONE! Time is of the essence!
wethepeopleUSA2012 2 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
bunch of racist rednex
SAYESTOHEALTHCARE1 2 years ago
So what does race have to do with protesting government sponsored health care?
noslits25 2 years ago
who's the racist calling these white protestors rednex (you can't even spell by the way) you'll reap what you sow if you go down the road with Obama. Wake up soon or good luck with getting any healthcare when the govt takes over. cash for clunkers ran out of money what do you think will happen to healthcare when the govt runs out of money???
mesmersdrum 2 years ago
"cash for clunkers ran out of money what do you think will happen to healthcare when the govt runs out of money???"
Do you people involuntarily repeat EVERYTHING you hear on Fox News?
Shabaka87 2 years ago
No, we know by experience what happens in other countries where the government runs the health care, this becomes substandar care!
CubanodePlacetas 2 years ago
no, YOU ARE WRONG.....and I can report you to the white house for spreading false information about the healthcare bill! You need to educate yourself before you open your mouth
lubingruby 2 years ago
I know you can report me to the white house; this is waht communists do to take control over people. It is called "the discipline of the masses with terror". Do not forget to tell them too that we are watching them all very closely and storing food to be prepare for the civil war in the case they decide to commit fraud in the next elections. Let them know that too.
CubanodePlacetas 2 years ago
How about this one...the new GM's sales are far below Ford's who was in the same situation as them and didn't take any bailout money. And don't worry that one came off a liberal channel but they sort of you know flipped it all around to make it sound like it wasn't the administrations fault.
MrGOPERA 2 years ago
no blaxxx were there.. it was too early in the morning and thye dont get up before 2 p.m. right? You dumbass piece of shit.
contour157 2 years ago
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TheSecretSword 2 years ago
Yeah thats why these are happening in every state from Maine to Florida.
MrGOPERA 2 years ago
Way to go St. Louis! We are with you ALL THE WAY. Keep up the fight to save our nation!
numag1 2 years ago 2
This is a perfect way to make the government fear the people, as it should. I loved the spontaneous protesters honking as they drove by. Instant classic.
Revolution is brewing. Find your next local TEA Party while we're still allowed the right of peaceful assembly.
dfawkes 2 years ago
2 Videos on Youtube to watch: 1) The Health Care Bill: What they DON'T want you to know!
2) wethepeopleUSA2012 (see the video posted there)
wethepeopleUSA2012 2 years ago
McCaskill is suppose to represent ALL of Missourians.
Yet she ONLY has offices in BLACK areas, and ONLY holds "town hall" meetings in BLACK areas.
If this bitch thinks she can write off the white voters and do an "Ohio" (that is, conjur up 200,000 ILLEGAL voter registrations) in 2012, think again.
McCaskill WILL LOSE in 2012.
With polls showing her losing 2-1, but yet she somehow "finds" missing ballots in trunks of cars, and Russ Carnahan declares her "winner", there WILL be Civil War!!
C128D 2 years ago
hmm, black cop tells white protesters they have a right to assemble, but not this close?
I dont recall seeing that in the Constitution!
In any event, when asked how far away we had to stand, all he could say was 'I dont know, when I look it up I will let you know'!!
This is BULLSHIT!
ACORN did another demonstration a few days later (supporting NoMommaCare) but they were NOT 'too close' - even though they were on the SAME FUCKING SIDEWALK!
McCaskill is a RACIST BITCH!
C128D 2 years ago 2
clair is smoking crack inside!!!
svuhelter7 2 years ago
What a rowdy out of control crowd! They are really, really scary....what with waving the American Flags and everything. There needs to be more of these protests...the elected officials are NOT doing what is in the best interest of the country...only what serves them politically.
johntra21 2 years ago 2
unbelievable the cops are protecting tyranny.
pandabead 2 years ago 3
Wish we could see more of this...you will not see it on the liberal media news.
SophieBaiLei 2 years ago 2
Wow... they need a swat team for that mob! LMAO....
msabigal 2 years ago
OOps ... that should be Bellingham
lope1510 2 years ago
Good show! In Bellingha (see video) we had a quiet rally with 50 folks and got to spend about an hour INSIDE the office clue in in the staff (rep was out of town)
lope1510 2 years ago
Socialised medicine is the only way to have universal healthcare. when will dumb stupid Americans understand this! The whole world is getting universal healthcare, Africa, India and it will be socialised but dumb Americans like the fact that some can pay and some can't pay for healthcare!
iLuvAkeys4ever 2 years ago
I've never seen anyone turned away at the emergency room. I'm there a lot and I've seen lots of people there that I'm sure I'm paying for their healthcare anyway!
SophieBaiLei 2 years ago 4