Matt Burkett shooting M249 with an FSC556

[CrystalMethodologist]

And honestly, it's really not that hard to find the plans or parts to build a full auto gun. So if one were so inclined, and had a bit of mechanical aptitude, you could convert an AR or AK clone to full auto with the right pieces and ordinary hand tools. If the average joe turns into a lunatic by the mere presence of a machine gun, then we should be awash in them by now. But we're not.

[CrystalMethodologist]

And again, legally owned NFA items (short barreled rifles, shotguns and suppressed weapons mainly) and legally owned full auto weapons are conspicuous by their absence in the hands of criminals during the commission of violent crimes. The Bloods and Crips don't get their guns from Turner's or Cabelas or their local gunstore, they get them from some dude selling them out of his car trunk in the hood.

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[CrystalMethodologist]

much to them all. They're quite hostile to the idea of private firearms ownership, in fact. And they elect representatives that reflect that hostility to 2A rights, who in turn shit out such travesties as the .50 cal ban, when only 2 have ever been documented being used in the commission of a crime (over 100 years of records keeping), and refusing to allow citizens to exercise their federal rights to get NFA stamps to own NFA legal items.

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[CrystalMethodologist]

the McDonald decision. Another defendant in this same suit is the sheriff of Yolo County, who is steadfast in clinging to his arbitrary power to deny ordinary citizens their constitutional rights. The tables have turned in favor of the little guy, at least as far as the 2A is concerned.

But the struggle is far from over. Cities/counties like Los Angeles and San Francisco, as well as Santa Cruz are overwhelmingly biased to the "left" of the political spectrum. Gun rights don't matter

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[CrystalMethodologist]

Speaking as a native CA resident, let me add my $0.02 to the 2A discussion.

As Jungotwo corectly noted, CA has been infringing on it's residents 2A rights for better than 40 years, steadily chipping away at them. Until the McDonald decision from the Supreme Court this year, the 9th Circuit (or 9th Circus if you prefer) ruled that the 2nd Amendment didn't apply to CA, thus many of the outrages we endure withstood the legal challenges mounted against them.

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[CrystalMethodologist]

In the post McDonald (and post Heller) legal climate, *all* the states are now bound by the same restrictions that the federal government is in regards to the 2nd Amendment (and the rest of the bill of rights, though that will need to be wrested back, one lawsuit at a time), and there is already a groundswell of change just starting to take place. Example: Sacramento county, including the eponymous state capitol, just changed their practice on issuing concealed carry licenses from

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[CrystalMethodologist]

virtual non-issue of concealed carry weapon (CCW) licenses to non-politically connected citizens to accepting self defense as "good cause", and becoming "shall issue" (like TX, and about 36 other states: if you aren't prohibited from owning firearms and have the appropriate training, the sheriff's office must issue you a carry license, no discretion is granted to the sheriff to deny issue) in all but name. This is thanks to a lawsuit filed by the CalGuns Foundation and CRPA after

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[FreedomFilmdotcom]

Amazing how level the gun stayed. Was it Matt? Or the FSC556?

:)

[stevenpeters14]

having a saw or any full auto weapon would be great and i can think of a few law abiding citizens that would love one aswell. but i can also think of a few hundred non-law abiding citizens that i hope never get their hands on one. wanna shoot full auto. join the military.

[kyle82386]

god damnit! its too bad the gun grabbers made it impossible for a law ab. person to ever own one of these, even for (target pratice)...or (collecting), but i guess we must elect theses idiots into office for some reason...:-S

[madcatmk3]

I dont know man, I own an AR, but I dont think that we really have a need to own a fully auto 249 saw...

[kyle82386]

@madcatmk3 ...ok, we will just put a thumb hole stock on it. weld on some compliance parts, and only allow people to load ten rounds at a time......and we can even require it by law to be pink from the factory, and if you change the color or add any personal mods to it you go to jail and lose you right to bear arms......there, now we can all sleep safe at night cause there would be no way it could ever hurt someone now...and it would be Kommie Kalifornia Kompliant

[iviaverick52]

@kyle82386 Seriously, I don't get CA gun laws. a "CA approved" gun kills people just the same as a full auto M4. While we're at it, why not ban cars and cut off peoples hands. cars can kill many more people at once than any gun and any man can beat another to death...

[Jungotwo]

"Need" has nothing to do with it. No one "needs" a full auto M249 any more than they would "need" a car that can do 100 MPH; especially when the national speed limit is 65. It's the Constitutional right of every law-abiding citizen to "keep an bear" arms. States like California and New Jersey openly violate the Constitution by infringing upon these rights primarily because the citizens that live in these states are either unaware of their rights or are deceived by the lies surrounding such laws.

[madcatmk3]

@Jungotwo

I think you have a very good point there. But states do have the power (and more so are not actually constrained by the constitution like the Fed) to protect its citizen. Laws abiding citizens will most likely never be a problem and I do not dispute that.

If someone wanted an m249 in semi-auto I also wouldn't have a problem with that. But I can I see why a state wouldn't want its citizens to have a 200 round fully automatic gun and justify it with public safety? Sure.

[labartic]

@Jungotwo I don't like the phrase constitutional right. The Declaration calls our rights inalienable, meaning they cannot be removed. Granted by our creator, the God of nature. It is a sacred thing that any amendment to the Constitution cannot remove. They are inherent in us all, from birth. The Constitution merely mentions them, as a restraint to government (sometimes it works).

I enjoy my inalienable rights. The Constitution is just a piece of paper, nothing without men to enforce it.

[Jungotwo]

@labartic

Labartic,

Well said and I completely agree."Constitutional Right" and "Inalienable Right" within the framework of this discussion are identical. Semantics aside, they ultimately carry the same meaning. The Constitution/Bill of Rights are essentially the insurance policy that "We, the People" maintain as a restraint against an oppressive government.

[opmike343]

A lot of people don't think you NEED to own an AR.

How about we drop the "need" language entirely. It's an endless slippery slope.

Fact of the matter is, law abiding citizens never have, and never will be, a problem.

[jackattack502]

thats a Minimi youy liar!

But basically the same thing. But still.