Dr. Herb Titus: Born In Hawaii Does Not Make Obama Natural Born Citizen PT 2

[dakfeld]

Obama and his weasel supporters are coming down! The next big question is: should Obama be executed as a traitor?

[wopette1971]

And don't give me any garbage about high officials..As if politicians are the most honest folks out there...Obama has had 3 years to simply provide his long form birth certificate...Yet he'd rather pay millions in lawyers fees and offer up 'copies' of short form birth registrations..Obama may still be in office, but get ready..It only took 1 judge to see that something is amiss...Very telling that Obama feels he is above appearing in court...

[clarity023]

@wopette1971 Show me where is indicated that Obama paid millions, not WnutDaily or PostEfail please.

[sillycandie007]

@clarity023 hold up bro this is a birther there insane the only thing a birther can show you is how sick they are your wasting your time dude

[sillycandie007]

@wopette1971 you birthers are so funny you need to be on SNL playing yourselfs

[wopette1971]

Arthur's father was born in Ireland, moved to Canada then settled with his wife in the U.S. thereby making him a U.S. citizen along with his wife..So, legally...Arthur still was eligible to hold office of POTUS...Obama's father never became a U.S. citizen. Who cares if Obama is black? Apparently you do, and if you think his skin color is important to his presidency, it just goes to show how shallow and ignorant his voters really are...

[wopette1971]

I don't care if he was born on the steps of the White House..His father is not a U.S. citizen..Therefore Obama is not a natural born citizen..And therefore is ineligable for the position of POTUS. How did this get past the people?

[clarity023]

@wopette1971 "His father is not a US citizen" First of all "was" Obama's father passed.

Second:James Madison, The Founders’ Constitution Volume 2, Article 1, Section 2, Clause 2, Document 6 (1789)

“It is an established maxim, received by all political writers, that every person owes a natural allegiance to the government of that country in which he is born. Allegiance is defined to be a tie, that binds the subject to the state, and in consequence of his obedience

cont'd

[clarity023]

@wopette1971 cont'd , he is entitled to protection… The children of aliens, born in this state, are considered as natural born subjects, and have the same rights with the rest of the citizens.”

What can anybody expect from a person that spell "ineligable" for inelegible. READ and educate yourself . Obama was born here, read about JUS SOLI.

[wopette1971]

@clarity023

If you're going to correct my spelling error, at least make sure you spell it correctly yourself...And no, being as Obama's father WAS from Kenya, that MADE him a British subject, therefore Obama is not a natural born citizen. Therefore, he is INELIGIBLE to be POTUS. No one is stating that Obama is not a U.S. citizen, but that he is not natural born to two U.S. parents.

[wopette1971]

@clarity023

Furthermore, your claims that Obama was indeed born in the U.S. are dubious at best. 3 years of blocking any sort of inquiry into his past, and offering up piss poor copies of birth certificates from Hawaii have done nothing to validate his claims. Use your brain, you're being sold a bill of goods that's worth the paper you wipe your arse with.

[clarity023]

@wopette1971 Dubious for the birthers not for Congress, Hawaii including BOTH Republicans (High Officials) Dr Fukino and Lingle( HI former fovernor) Denying the facts wont' help you, as you can see Obama is still in Office. LOL!

[clarity023]

@wopette1971 Chester Arthur and Buchanan were also British subjects, a total of 7 presidents were British subjects and nobody was whining about it. Why Obama because he is black? Hillary and McCain exhausted all the resources to beat him and his Kenyan father was not even mentioned. Obama said on national tv during the campaign that his father was from Kenya and he was not removed from the ballot right? No two parents needed, that's birther bs.

[TheTrthseeker]

WE NEED TO GET INVOLVED AND HERE IS HOW: w(illy) w(illy) w(illy) obama ballot challenge period com(e) no spaces; get it?

Get him off the ballot and we can all help on this on matter which state you are in

[AuthorLLaurence]

Yes indeed, a lot of Americans don't understand and/or realize that ALL judges, including those on the Supreme Court merely support the constitution, with the President being the chief legal officer of the country, which is why he/she alone can grant pardons to people.

[drlasterjr]

Magicmulder, it sounds like you don't like the real definition of the phrase. If you take the time to do your own research (I have) you find that a "natural born citizen" is one born in the country of parents who are citizens. The definition is both historically accurate and has been referenced by historians and our Supreme Court for more than 200 years. And yes - that means John McCain is not a natural born citizen wither - he was born outside of the country.

[magicmulder]

@drlasterjr "it sounds like you don't like the real definition of the phrase"

I don't argue about what I like, just simple logic. So the "real" definition is one that was found in only one book at the time, a book for which an English translation wasn't available until after the Constitution was ratified (Vattel wrote "les naturels où indigènes", only an anonymous translator translated that to "natural born citizen" later); one that was contrary to the meaning in Common Law.

[magicmulder]

So, yeah, kind sounds unconvincing.

What's next, someone claiming that because some Brazilian philosopher defined "Congress" or "Year" different than Common Law, that also was what the Founders intended?

[drlasterjr]

@magicmulder If you do the research you will find "Law of Nations" was used by the people that wrote the US Constitution. The first English translation was in 1760. The writers of the Constitution knew French. It was the language of the diplomat and the language of the English Court since William the Conqueror. They even included a reference to Law of Nations in Article 1, Section 8, Paragraph 10. English common law is not US common law.

[magicmulder]

@drlasterjr The 1760 translation did not contain the words "natural born citizen". It still said "naturals or indigènes".

"They even included a reference to Law of Nations in Article 1, Section 8, Paragraph 10"

Yes, but not to Vattel's book but the "law of nations" as an abstract thing. How do you "punish offenses" against a book? *duh*

And if Vattel wrote a book "Congress", would that mean every mention of "Congress" in the Constitution means that book, too?

[drlasterjr]

@magicmulder First, you are being ridiculous. And 2nd, which you seem to want to ignore is that "Law of Nations" is the dictionary that defined what is effectively our common law. The historical record shows it was used by the writers of the US Constitution and the US Supreme Court has pointed this little fact our numerous times from 1814 through at least 1939. If this was not the true why did Justia.com and Public.Resource.Org (PRO) go to such effort to hide the Minor case?

[drlasterjr]

@magicmulder 3rd, In Minor v Happersett the Supreme Court specifically stated "At common-law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners." People then try to read more into the ruling to justify changing the meaning.

[drlasterjr]

@magicmulder 4th, They state "Some authorities go further and include as citizens children born within the jurisdiction without reference to the citizenship of their [p168] parents. As to this class there have been doubts, but never as to the first." This is a statement of history - and does not change the meaning. And the 1790 law referenced was repealed in 1795.

[magicmulder]

If parentage was so important to the Founders, why did they use the term "natural born" with its 400+ years of established meaning in Common Law (i.e. born in the country) and secretly (!) meant it to mean something totally different?

It's like claiming by "year", they didn't mean 365 days but instead a Mars year or a Jupiter year and just forgot to tell everyone.

[rilepa1954]

@magicmulder And life is like a box of chocolates? Right???

[magicmulder]

@rilepa1954 Whatever that's supposed to mean, dude.

[rilepa1954]

@magicmulder What that means is that you DON'T know WTF you're talking about and Americans' DON'T need to listen to any SHIT for brains comments from someone who is in Germany. MORON!!!

[magicmulder]

@rilepa1954 If your argument is so weak that you need to resort to ad hominem instead of replying to my argument on the merits, I suppose you're done here.