Dude... bible is trash why u baking yourself up from stupi lies written down in a paper? talk reality you fucken basterd. Oh yeah you belive in a talking snake and jonnas living inside a fish. go kill yourself then u waste of humanity.
@bertopichu am I supposed to take anything from that comment? You didn't give any reasons for why the Bible is full of "stupi" lies. When you just rant and then misspell most your words it shows how uneducated you are and why no one should take what you have to say seriously. If you want to take time to type up a thought out comment, I would be more than happy to talk
their assumptions and presuppositions about reality. The two greatest literal explorations of man's right to free inquiry are Plato's Allegory of the cave, and the Theravada Buddhist Kalama Sutta. My attitude is that I want to be proven wrong because I want to escape my own delusions about reality and understand my true nature..
You ask "who are you to judge?" I say any freethinking rationalist person who has been given (by an unknown creator) the right to pursue an endless line of free inquiry. To make any reflection on reality is to make a judgment. But not all judgments arise from a scientific evaluation of empirical evidence, therefore not all judgments possess uniform credibility. I evaluate people's judgments based off of their consideration for conflicting information, and their ability to challenge......
Wikipedia's definition reads "The term judgment (BE and AE)[1] or judgement (BE) generally refers to the considered evaluation of evidence in the formation of making a decision."
You have confused the two words "punish" and "judge." If I were to communicate my judgement of you as a person on the basis of what you believe, I am judging you. If I kept on harrassing you over your beliefs I would be persecuting you. If I chopped your head off for not accepting Allah I would have punished you for not believing the Quran. Maher did not use these terms in the wrong context. . Why are you correcting him? - Try to say something usefull in your critique.
while the form of judging may be used incorrectly by these people that believe they are being judged when someone simply calls them out on doing something wrong, its not my error in simply stating why THEIR form of it is wrong, because its not my definition of judging.......you should be discussing the absurdity of their understanding of judgement and not mine....
But if someone calls you out on your beliefs your beliefs are being judged!! It doesn't have a negative connotation in most practical applications of the word - at least outside of its usage in the Gospel of Mathew. And I did discuss what I judge to be a valid judgment! You must not have read all my comments.
It's similar to when people say things like "don't criticize me." Criticism is not inherently right or wrong as you might put it, but rather a process of interpretation, evaluation - The reason why words like judging and criticizing are perceived as negative is because the processes of critical thinking and judging go hand in hand. i.e. someone who doesn't think critically but judges frequently would be considered overly judgmental vs. someone who exresses good judgments based on logic.
Some people will also say " don't judge me." I attest that this is impossible. I say "don't judge until you get to know me." At least this is possible.
You can't believe the bible and science at the same time. Either you accept evolution, science, and logic, or you have to reject Christianity. Christianity was written in a time when people still didn't even know what rain was.
There is nothing that makes Christianity any more true or false than any other religion out there.
The only reason why you are Christian is because it just happens to be the dominant religion in America.
"What I say is so, is so. And if it is so (which it is), I am right and you are wrong." Thats a well corroborated view :)
Of course atheists believe what they say represents truth.But we don't base this on a divine authority, but on arguments. We can change our views if we are convinced otherwise. Can you think of anything that could change your belief in god? Doubtful as you are filtering reality through god and the bible.
I agree that Christians do not judge. Judging requires an objective evaluation and rational weighing of the evidence. No, Xians do not judge, they omit the step entirely, assume guilt and proceed to sentencing, which is more reprehensible. Imagine I came to your door to force you to an Alcoholics Anonymous group when you never had a drinking problem, you never drank even. Then I told you, it doesn't matter, we are all alcoholics inside. Thats how your 'good news' feels to us.
i totally disagree, sentencing would be goin around killing people for what they do, Christians dont do that......we warn people about the seriousness of sin, thats true but thats not sentencing them, God is the judge, we just warn what the judge has said.....sin is a huge issue and we can see it every day that people do very wrong things, and they need redemption, because no one is perfect, no one "never had a problem" with their sinful actions, we are all fallen people, its sad but true
The Xian tells me we are all sinners in the eyes of god and we need to accept JC as lord & savior. Compare this to my AA example above. You do not allow for any discussion room, you assume my guilt in sin and you are trying to get me to accept the sentence, Xianity, or suffer eternal torment. It is this assumption that many of us find insulting, despite that the Xian telling us this may very well be an honest believer.
The Bible itself states that "The Cross is offensive" to many people. but it shouldn't be. You dont see that man is indeed fallen, and needs a savior, because in part you see morality as only steming from what we believe is right or not at the time. so i think that before you can see the fact that God is the moral judge and has every right to punish us for what we've done, you must first understand that morality, the idea of right and wrong is not in your hand, and its not in mine, or anyones
Well, you can see from the other thread that we rather violently disagree on morality.
What you are saying is that the trial on Xianity's truth is over and all you need to do is hammer the verdict you found over my head, figuratively.
Where you see facts, I see opinions, unsubstantiated at that, and where you declare truth I see blad assertions. You are essentially propping yourself as the authority of truth, and no lone atheist ever displays that much hubris.
well at least we totally agree that we both violently disagree huh? :) all i can say is that truth is truth, and regardless of how many people say otherwise, murder will eternally be wrong, rape, and stealing, and a number of other examples. and that shows that it doesnt depend on our opinion on the issue,because its no opinion that those things are always wrong, we are no moral authority on anything and we prove that every day by our actions, but since there are moral absolutes, they come from
somewhere, and they aren't set in place by us, we just follow what was already there. and you really don't think that atheists say they are the authority on truth? at least, what they believe truth is. They seem to be very arrogant about what they think truth is. and again, i dont see myself as the authority, but im pointing out that God clearly is the authority on truth, because it doesnt rest on what we believe it is, and it never will
I think the term "Bible thumping" refers to the tendency of fundamentalists to validate the Bible using the Bible itself as the only reference. It would be as if you were trying to explain to me how superman was a made up superhero - but I kept responding by pointing out that on page 12 where the comic book explains how superman was born on kyptonite (or whatever the story reads) This tendency has turned Christianity into what Christopher Hitchens refers to as a tautology.
the fact is that U dont know what happens when U die.
U are not superior to those who choose to be rational instead of being a sheep.
U dont have a personal relationship with the tooth fairy, santa clause, or any other ficticous being created by man.
I would argue that the ignorant 1 is the 1 that believes a man lived in a fish, that noah fit every species on the planet on a tiny ark, and a talking snake tempted people into eating apples.
Its absurd. oh, and women were created from a rib...lol
well, all of your senseless attacks in this last comment were all steming from the fact that you don't believe in miraculous works of God. You ignore the fact that EVERY prophecy in Scripture came true (at least the ones that should have happened) and that people point out miracles that happen in their lives every day. Medical Miracles of cancer being cured with no explanation and so many others that are staring you right in the face, but because you actually think your "rational" beliefs are
all there is..you probably write millions of instances of those every day as "coincidence" Coincidences happens. no doubt. but when you're writing off millions of them for no other reason, you might start wondering if theres something there...
so yeah, i believe in miracles, i believe God has used them throughout history to do things we can't comprehend. but just because our minds cant totally understand them doesnt mean they didnt happen, and does give us the right to mock them. and as far
i can tell from your very in depth study of Scripture, you have no way of knowing if those prophecies happened or not, but you still think you can say " You dont know what happens when you die." ignorance is not knowing what your talking about, but even worse is making absolute claims on a book you've never really studied...i have. And i hope you read it someday and realize how true it is. Pick it up, study the prophecies, study miracles, and then come back and tell me God isnt real.....
"a man wrote it" no, dozens of men wrote it over a period of over a thousand years, yet even with their fallible humanity God still used them to write a book that fulfills prophecies hundreds of years before things actually happened in REAL LIFE. its not just some story, its 100% accurate. how can it be that way without the hand of a perfect being? coincidence? not a chance.explain how that can happen without God or stop pretending he doesnt exist please
some atheists are so brainwashed...its pretty simple to prove things with the Bible historically. Study what time period the books were written in (this would take time and not just stupid comments like "enjoy your comicbook" without actually having any evidence for that claim) and realize how long before the fulfilled books were written the prophecies were actually made. how about miracles? they happen every day, but so many people just ignore them, and christians are the ignorant ones huh? lol
sorry, but they are not the ones who believe in talking snakes, men living in fish, and jack and his beanstalk.
So why does god let all the children starve to death in agony?? notice you have to think of some crazy excuse like "he works in mysterious ways", or "Gods plan was for them to go thru months of brutalizing pain and die a horrible death".
Why would god want this?
These children have never even heard of the bible.
and its funny you bring up ignorance because in this whole movie bill maher is trying to show the "ignorance" of religious people, but it was obvious to anyone that has read the Bible how ignorant he really is about christianity, so he really has no business making any kind of movie about ignorance at all
humility, and showing that judging isnt saying someone is doing something wrong, its literally punishing someone....what did i say that was so "ignorant" exactly? use words if you can and not just meaningless "put downs" if you can call it that
Dude... bible is trash why u baking yourself up from stupi lies written down in a paper? talk reality you fucken basterd. Oh yeah you belive in a talking snake and jonnas living inside a fish. go kill yourself then u waste of humanity.
bertopichu 1 year ago
@bertopichu am I supposed to take anything from that comment? You didn't give any reasons for why the Bible is full of "stupi" lies. When you just rant and then misspell most your words it shows how uneducated you are and why no one should take what you have to say seriously. If you want to take time to type up a thought out comment, I would be more than happy to talk
faithquestions 1 year ago
Religulous ROCKS!! loved that movie i wish there's a second part of this movie.
bertopichu 1 year ago
Watch this you tube video:
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chadmak09 2 years ago
their assumptions and presuppositions about reality. The two greatest literal explorations of man's right to free inquiry are Plato's Allegory of the cave, and the Theravada Buddhist Kalama Sutta. My attitude is that I want to be proven wrong because I want to escape my own delusions about reality and understand my true nature..
whatisdrunkal 2 years ago
You ask "who are you to judge?" I say any freethinking rationalist person who has been given (by an unknown creator) the right to pursue an endless line of free inquiry. To make any reflection on reality is to make a judgment. But not all judgments arise from a scientific evaluation of empirical evidence, therefore not all judgments possess uniform credibility. I evaluate people's judgments based off of their consideration for conflicting information, and their ability to challenge......
whatisdrunkal 2 years ago
Wikipedia's definition reads "The term judgment (BE and AE)[1] or judgement (BE) generally refers to the considered evaluation of evidence in the formation of making a decision."
whatisdrunkal 2 years ago
You have confused the two words "punish" and "judge." If I were to communicate my judgement of you as a person on the basis of what you believe, I am judging you. If I kept on harrassing you over your beliefs I would be persecuting you. If I chopped your head off for not accepting Allah I would have punished you for not believing the Quran. Maher did not use these terms in the wrong context. . Why are you correcting him? - Try to say something usefull in your critique.
whatisdrunkal 2 years ago
while the form of judging may be used incorrectly by these people that believe they are being judged when someone simply calls them out on doing something wrong, its not my error in simply stating why THEIR form of it is wrong, because its not my definition of judging.......you should be discussing the absurdity of their understanding of judgement and not mine....
faithquestions 2 years ago
But if someone calls you out on your beliefs your beliefs are being judged!! It doesn't have a negative connotation in most practical applications of the word - at least outside of its usage in the Gospel of Mathew. And I did discuss what I judge to be a valid judgment! You must not have read all my comments.
whatisdrunkal 2 years ago
It's similar to when people say things like "don't criticize me." Criticism is not inherently right or wrong as you might put it, but rather a process of interpretation, evaluation - The reason why words like judging and criticizing are perceived as negative is because the processes of critical thinking and judging go hand in hand. i.e. someone who doesn't think critically but judges frequently would be considered overly judgmental vs. someone who exresses good judgments based on logic.
whatisdrunkal 2 years ago
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whatisdrunkal 2 years ago
Some people will also say " don't judge me." I attest that this is impossible. I say "don't judge until you get to know me." At least this is possible.
whatisdrunkal 2 years ago
You can't believe the bible and science at the same time. Either you accept evolution, science, and logic, or you have to reject Christianity. Christianity was written in a time when people still didn't even know what rain was.
There is nothing that makes Christianity any more true or false than any other religion out there.
The only reason why you are Christian is because it just happens to be the dominant religion in America.
jaymoore299 2 years ago
Well that's a good argument
"What I say is so, is so. And if it is so (which it is), I am right and you are wrong." Thats a well corroborated view :)
Of course atheists believe what they say represents truth.But we don't base this on a divine authority, but on arguments. We can change our views if we are convinced otherwise. Can you think of anything that could change your belief in god? Doubtful as you are filtering reality through god and the bible.
Cafeeine 2 years ago
I agree that Christians do not judge. Judging requires an objective evaluation and rational weighing of the evidence. No, Xians do not judge, they omit the step entirely, assume guilt and proceed to sentencing, which is more reprehensible. Imagine I came to your door to force you to an Alcoholics Anonymous group when you never had a drinking problem, you never drank even. Then I told you, it doesn't matter, we are all alcoholics inside. Thats how your 'good news' feels to us.
Cafeeine 2 years ago
i totally disagree, sentencing would be goin around killing people for what they do, Christians dont do that......we warn people about the seriousness of sin, thats true but thats not sentencing them, God is the judge, we just warn what the judge has said.....sin is a huge issue and we can see it every day that people do very wrong things, and they need redemption, because no one is perfect, no one "never had a problem" with their sinful actions, we are all fallen people, its sad but true
faithquestions 2 years ago
There is more than the death sentence.
The Xian tells me we are all sinners in the eyes of god and we need to accept JC as lord & savior. Compare this to my AA example above. You do not allow for any discussion room, you assume my guilt in sin and you are trying to get me to accept the sentence, Xianity, or suffer eternal torment. It is this assumption that many of us find insulting, despite that the Xian telling us this may very well be an honest believer.
Cafeeine 2 years ago
The Bible itself states that "The Cross is offensive" to many people. but it shouldn't be. You dont see that man is indeed fallen, and needs a savior, because in part you see morality as only steming from what we believe is right or not at the time. so i think that before you can see the fact that God is the moral judge and has every right to punish us for what we've done, you must first understand that morality, the idea of right and wrong is not in your hand, and its not in mine, or anyones
faithquestions 2 years ago
Well, you can see from the other thread that we rather violently disagree on morality.
What you are saying is that the trial on Xianity's truth is over and all you need to do is hammer the verdict you found over my head, figuratively.
Where you see facts, I see opinions, unsubstantiated at that, and where you declare truth I see blad assertions. You are essentially propping yourself as the authority of truth, and no lone atheist ever displays that much hubris.
Cafeeine 2 years ago
well at least we totally agree that we both violently disagree huh? :) all i can say is that truth is truth, and regardless of how many people say otherwise, murder will eternally be wrong, rape, and stealing, and a number of other examples. and that shows that it doesnt depend on our opinion on the issue,because its no opinion that those things are always wrong, we are no moral authority on anything and we prove that every day by our actions, but since there are moral absolutes, they come from
faithquestions 2 years ago
somewhere, and they aren't set in place by us, we just follow what was already there. and you really don't think that atheists say they are the authority on truth? at least, what they believe truth is. They seem to be very arrogant about what they think truth is. and again, i dont see myself as the authority, but im pointing out that God clearly is the authority on truth, because it doesnt rest on what we believe it is, and it never will
faithquestions 2 years ago
I think the term "Bible thumping" refers to the tendency of fundamentalists to validate the Bible using the Bible itself as the only reference. It would be as if you were trying to explain to me how superman was a made up superhero - but I kept responding by pointing out that on page 12 where the comic book explains how superman was born on kyptonite (or whatever the story reads) This tendency has turned Christianity into what Christopher Hitchens refers to as a tautology.
whatisdrunkal 2 years ago
what a wonderful analogy.
very true.
It is exactly like you say with the comic book.
they use the bible as proof yet it is the bible itself is what most logical people are questioning.
chadmak09 2 years ago
its not like the comic book analogy at all. comic books werent written over a period of over 1,000 years and fulfill prophecy in real life.
faithquestions 2 years ago
and niether did the bible.
chadmak09 2 years ago
wow....ignorance is bliss is suppose
faithquestions 2 years ago
the fact is that U dont know what happens when U die.
U are not superior to those who choose to be rational instead of being a sheep.
U dont have a personal relationship with the tooth fairy, santa clause, or any other ficticous being created by man.
I would argue that the ignorant 1 is the 1 that believes a man lived in a fish, that noah fit every species on the planet on a tiny ark, and a talking snake tempted people into eating apples.
Its absurd. oh, and women were created from a rib...lol
chadmak09 2 years ago
well, all of your senseless attacks in this last comment were all steming from the fact that you don't believe in miraculous works of God. You ignore the fact that EVERY prophecy in Scripture came true (at least the ones that should have happened) and that people point out miracles that happen in their lives every day. Medical Miracles of cancer being cured with no explanation and so many others that are staring you right in the face, but because you actually think your "rational" beliefs are
faithquestions 2 years ago
all there is..you probably write millions of instances of those every day as "coincidence" Coincidences happens. no doubt. but when you're writing off millions of them for no other reason, you might start wondering if theres something there...
so yeah, i believe in miracles, i believe God has used them throughout history to do things we can't comprehend. but just because our minds cant totally understand them doesnt mean they didnt happen, and does give us the right to mock them. and as far
faithquestions 2 years ago
i can tell from your very in depth study of Scripture, you have no way of knowing if those prophecies happened or not, but you still think you can say " You dont know what happens when you die." ignorance is not knowing what your talking about, but even worse is making absolute claims on a book you've never really studied...i have. And i hope you read it someday and realize how true it is. Pick it up, study the prophecies, study miracles, and then come back and tell me God isnt real.....
faithquestions 2 years ago
actually, I was a christian since I was born, I was baptised and everything. I went to church every sunday until I was 26.
It was then I realized just how silly it all is.
I can quote the bible like noones buisness.
But who cares. A man wrote it. Its just an old supersticious book.
Its no different than going to a building every sunday and studying some other supersticious book.
you know I am right. you just won't admit it.
chadmak09 2 years ago
baptism doesn't make you christian.
"a man wrote it" no, dozens of men wrote it over a period of over a thousand years, yet even with their fallible humanity God still used them to write a book that fulfills prophecies hundreds of years before things actually happened in REAL LIFE. its not just some story, its 100% accurate. how can it be that way without the hand of a perfect being? coincidence? not a chance.explain how that can happen without God or stop pretending he doesnt exist please
faithquestions 2 years ago
please go back above and read the comic book analogy.
You are doing that exact thing.
The bible is not proof.
Can you do anything but quote this ficticious book?
enjoy your comicbook.
chadmak09 2 years ago
some atheists are so brainwashed...its pretty simple to prove things with the Bible historically. Study what time period the books were written in (this would take time and not just stupid comments like "enjoy your comicbook" without actually having any evidence for that claim) and realize how long before the fulfilled books were written the prophecies were actually made. how about miracles? they happen every day, but so many people just ignore them, and christians are the ignorant ones huh? lol
faithquestions 2 years ago
atheists are the brainwashed ones??
sorry, but they are not the ones who believe in talking snakes, men living in fish, and jack and his beanstalk.
So why does god let all the children starve to death in agony?? notice you have to think of some crazy excuse like "he works in mysterious ways", or "Gods plan was for them to go thru months of brutalizing pain and die a horrible death".
Why would god want this?
These children have never even heard of the bible.
chadmak09 2 years ago
and its funny you bring up ignorance because in this whole movie bill maher is trying to show the "ignorance" of religious people, but it was obvious to anyone that has read the Bible how ignorant he really is about christianity, so he really has no business making any kind of movie about ignorance at all
faithquestions 3 years ago
humility, and showing that judging isnt saying someone is doing something wrong, its literally punishing someone....what did i say that was so "ignorant" exactly? use words if you can and not just meaningless "put downs" if you can call it that
faithquestions 3 years ago