Happy to learn that the English, or Brits if you want (^^), built SOLID Liners...
And al the peoples on the Titanic would be happy too to learn it I think...
And especially, the past is the past and we live in 2011 now, thus please can you say to us who built the current larger English (or Brits if you want thus) Liners ? ^_^ :-)
It was not a question because of course I know perfectly that...
I want just that YOU write that because if we read you we can to know that it's a majority to say that the Brits builded solid Liners
So yes the French builded the current larger Brit Liner & not only one & build & will build more of others large Liners (in spite of the unfair & dishonest competition of any Asian countries with their workers at very low price in front of the French workers)
Queen Mary was built by John Brown on Clydebank; Titanic by Harland & Wolff @ Belfast.
Two different companies in two entirely different eras. You ought to recall that QE2 served longer than ANY liner henceforth built (and I'm an American here - not a British national). Titanic was a magnificent vessel, most unfortunately doomed to her death by a massive convergence of cascading failures in three critical domains: command, engineering, and construction.
A mi me gusta mas el Normandie. Tenía lineas mucho mas modernas y agraciadas que el Queen Mary. De todas formas ambos buques eran hermosos. Lástima que se perdió al Normandie!
The Normandie is more beautiful than Queen Mary. The interior of Queen Mary is creepy... not surprise me that ship have ghosts. The 3 big funnels of Normandie give the sense of power on the ship.
This ship was a big factor in my becoming a Francophile....i saw a documentary on ocean liners made in the late 90's which aired on TLC called "Castles of the Sea"
Anyone know it? I can find hardly a trace of it online.
@jdghgh " Castles on the sea" was a promotional film made by pathe ( i think) for the union castle line. There was also another film called " Castles to the cape " which charted the building and comissioning of the TSS Windsor Castle. Both of these films were released on video to the public and I think they are available from kingfisher video productions or snowbow films
The beautiful Normandie's is a sad tale - a paltry 4 years service, possession by the USA after the capitulation of France and an ignominious fire. Did all of the interiors and fittings survive somewhere? The art deco style went terribly out of fashion for decades.
The Queen Mary had a far happier story. She was a long term commerical success - and, wonderfully, she survives, if only as a tin can! My dad saw her launched in his native Scotland and I visited her 60 years later in the USA.
Had the Normandie NOT been given a third dummy funnel it would have been a huge embaressment to CUNARD who had built the Queen Mary that NEEDED three funnels! It does make u wonder about JohnBrown shipbuilders and wether their technology was outdated- remember the Titanic only NEEDED 3 funnels whereas Aquitania NEEDED 4 funnels! Engine rooms on contemporary ship were becoming progressively smaller as boilers became more efficient. Normandie was truly WELL AHEAD of her time- what a beauty!!
It was a fine day, the sea was calm and conditions were right to reclaim the Blue Riband. Britain had to have supremecy on the sea. As the Queen Mary passed the Bishops Rock lighthouse and made for the open sea, the Captain said "full steam ahead". For the Mary, this was a push of a lever and the turn of a wheel and she was pushing 210,000 HP and made the crossing in less than 4 days knocking off 3 hr 55mins from the Normandie's time. Now the Mary is what you call a ship!
Why can't us Englishmen just be honest and admit that the Normandie was the finest ship ever ? The QM was a beautifull ship in her own wright but was years behined the Normandie. Those acres of uncluttered deck space- the superb streamedlined superstructure- in fact many could argue that QE2 was BASED on the Normandie!! She needed only 2 funnels and burned approx 80tons per day LESS than QM. She was a stunning concept making QM look totaly outdated- she could almost be from a different era.
I saw the Queen Mary brought into Long Beach Ca, back in 67. I was just a kid. Fell in love with her at first sight. Growing up, I would go visit her once a week and stay all day long. when I grew up I got job working on her. She became part of my life and still is to this day. So I think u know which I prfer. but the Normandiw was a great liner in her own right.
@Sarasdad91 I had the honer of seeing the queen mary for the first time in my life in 2009 I didnt want to leave her I had to go back to Illinois,,,I wanted to stay with the queen so much history long live the QUEEN MARY,,
Both were grand ships for two very different reasons. The Normandie was like the Marilyn Monroe of ships, renowned for beauty and cache, legendary, but gone before her time, and known mostly for the asthetic appeal. The Queen Mary is more the Katherine Hepburn of ships, Long stately career and legendary accolades, known for its reliability and the gold standard for ships, but not a glamour girl at all. I would say Normandie was the more well designed ship.
I love both Normandie & Queen Mary. Normandie would have made a great hotel & musuem if those retarded US Navy personal had been so careless & destroy her.
Since I am french I don't know if my opinion is going to matter to you, but I do I have to state that the Queen Mary project was launched 2 years after the Normandie one... 2 years which gives you time to see what the competition is going to look like... I mean imagine Airbus having two years in advance, on Boeing, on a project; which company would get more contracts??
I've been on the Queen Mary many times- know her inside out- but I would have LOVED to have experienced the Normandie. It would never have been scrapped if it weren't for the fire- it would probably be like the Queen Mary- a museum/hotel docked in Le Hauvre or maybe New York. The post-war baby boomers missed out on that gem of the ocean, the Normandie!
The Queen Mary was simply an evolution of the Aquitania and ships before her; NOTHING revolutionary. Stodgy design with exposed ventilators on decks; not very pretty. The Normandie was so advanced on every level; if she sailed today she still would look modern. Normandie's interiors represented the best artisans of the French Art Deco movement. There will NEVER be another liner like the magnificent Normandie; she is nonpareil!
For all its grace and charming looks, the Normandie was notorious for being an excessive roller at sea. QM though more utilitaria to look at, was far more stable and therefore comfortable to sail in.
that 's false! Normandie was very stable because of his new design and Queen mary was the real oller at sea! during his first storm many things were broken aboard the queen..
Have to agree to differ on that one. There are many photos taken from Normandie's decks which show excessive rolling. QM was not notably bad in that regard. Also, ask yourself why Normandie capsized rather than founder during the fire.
Normandie was light years ahead of QM. Even the Queen Mary 2 has design elements taken directly from the CGT liner. QM while a lovely ship was a product of the mid-1920s (a super Aquitania to some) while Normandie was chic, elegant and totally unique.
I want to say QM, but I have to admit the Normandie is by far one of the most beautiful ships ever constructed. She is a marvel of 20th century engineering sporting the best that era had to offer. She was a temple to Art Deco and her clean swept lines were amazing. She looks like she could fly. As I read in one book, the QM was a lady in an elegant dress wearing tennis shoes, but the Normandie was a graceful and elegant lady. I still love the QM, but Normandie has a place in my heart, too.
But this really is comparing apples to oranges. Normandie was also considered so haute in state of the art deco, she intimidated many passengers not used to the over the top glamour, and may have found her too grand and pretentious. Queen Mary was a ship for the 'everyman', cozy and inviting, and perhaps her outdated style was more familiar hence welcoming to the folk that travelled her.
This brilliant concept allowed a full expanse of centre space from the front end of the ship to the rear, allowing long unencumbered hallways, and huge rooms, including the largest dining room afloat, seating over 1000 guests (longer than the hall of mirrors at Versailles) She was a showcase for the greatest artisans and French designers of the period, and many are still "names" today, representing the best of the best; Lalique, Rhulmann, Steuben et al. (Cont'd next)
@c3cubed Normandie was beauty and elegance the luxury of the time, although not as famous as the Queens it was more luxurious, and well even though many people might disagree, I love the R.M.S Queen Mary 2 and for me it is what Cunard says it is 'The Most Magnificent Ocean Liner Ever build" because she is the ocean liner of our time and probably the only one for our life time, so we must love her as she continues the famous love for ocean liners that both the Queens, and Normandie, started.
@TITANICLUSITANIA Normandie was quite famous at the time, and still is to afficionados of the transatlantic liners. The Queen Mary remains solvent in modern memory, because she still exists in "museum" form, as a testament to the period. By comparison, if Normandie were still around as a museum with all the furnishings and decor intact, I can only imagine the massive influence she would still have on those with exemplary taste in design and function.
@c3cubed I am not saying it wasn't famous it was indeed for luxurious, but the Queen's were the most famous and I am sure that modern people who don't appreciate ocean liners would drull and get influenced from the Oasis Of The Seas and the soon to come Norwegian Epic, which are trashy cruise ships.
@TITANICLUSITANIA If Mary were scrapped, this webpage would likely not exist, likely not exist. There are more books written about Normandie, than the Queen Mary. I have 16 of them.
@c3cubed QM2 was more famous there is a reason why Cunard's ships are the most famous ocean liners int he world, it doesn't matter how many books there are there are many movies inspired by the Queens and many movies featured the Queen as the setting, and there are official models made of the Queen Mary and no official model of the Normandie.
@TITANICLUSITANIA I recently did a "transatlantic" on the QM2 and resided in the "Grand Suite". When I was a boy, my family and I travelled to England on the QE 1 in the early 60's. There is no comparison. QE 1 was a real liner. QM, as big as she is, looks like a condominium. So did my suite, strofoam deluxe and all.
@c3cubed I have traveled 15 times on the QM2 and love her a lot, and you super old people that meet shakespeare need to understand that we are in modern times and that it is obvious that ocean liners wont be the same as they were back in the 60's during the final years of the Queen Elizabeth, so that is why the Queen Mary 2 is modernized we have an Ocean Liner that is modern but keeps in touch with the Golden Age of ocean travel, not everything can stay old you know.
@TITANICLUSITANIA A little "Shakespeare" might do some good? Maybe "The Tempest"? 52yrs isn't that old these days, especially considering so many "youngin's" may pop off early from ill effects of too much cellphone usage? There's something to be said from old fashioned landlines-even those laid transatlantic via "The Great Eastern" Old is destined to be New again, as long as folks maintain an accurate account of history, and manage to use correct puntuation as required for literacy.
@c3cubed No Thanks I don't have time for shakespeare, and really your just no, if you have a problem with using modern technology, then go fuck off some where else. I don't use perfect punctuation as this is just for comments and I'am writing on an iMac keyboard which is really annoying, so I tend to skip some punctuation. You think to highly of yourself, you know. People are correct the older people are the more stubborn.
@c3cubed and not just because your the oldest from this conversation doesn't mean your correct my grandfather is 92 and he loves ocean liners he even went on the olympic when he was a very young boy, so please even he agrees, the old technology will not come back as there is something newer everyday, like I said people who don't care about the ocean liners or ships will forget about the Normandie, because the Oasis of the seas which is far greater than Normandie is the topic now a days
@c3cubed Good point about the Normandie's boiler exhaust being moved to the outside against the hull on both sides of the ship, opening up the center for a grand vista and architectural promenade, especially at the first class dining room.
@TFlex01 Yes, and although it wasn't the first time this engineering technique was employed in shipbuilding, it was by far the most successful example of creating unparalled space. I believe a charming quote was issued by a child passenger at the time, lost and agog with wonder, walking about the seemingly endless promenade: "But sir, where is the ship?"
Normandie is considered by all accounts (and historians) as, the greatest liner - by advanced design and interior appointment representing the "golden age" of travel. She was the first liner to have a "bulbous bow", eliminating much of the wake created when cutting the sea. The large funnels were so, because of the unique design inside: They were twin uptake funnels, so the exhaust actually came up the sides of the ship inside. (Continued next comment)
@c3cubed Well I have never heard that from any historians, but I have heard that all the ocean liners are loved The Queens are loved for their service during the world war 2, and for being super large, they were the largest passenger ships ever build until the Carnival Destiny, from 1936-1997now do the math, thats how long the Queens had to be the largest.
@TITANICLUSITANIA "Largest" is a misnomer here, as the current crop of cruise ships are not "liners" at all. They're not really "ships" either. They are hideous and vulgar floating theme park condominiums and there is absolutely no comparison. BTW: Do the math? The SS France (1961) was the longest until the Queen Mary 2, built 2002.
@c3cubed I am not saying Carnival Destiny was a liner I know the difference I love ocean liners, and everything you stated I already know, except that Queen Mary 2 made her maiden voyage in 2004 which was when she took the title from the france. You do the math The Queens Ruled the seas in size for 63 Years. and FYI Queen Elizabeth 2 is the most famous ocean liner in the world.
@c3cubed No its is not wrong the Queen Mary and Queen Elizabeth were THE LARGEST PASSENGER SHIPS NOTICE I SAID PASSENGERS I AM TALKING ABOUT ALL THE PASSENGER SHIPS IN GENERAL AND CRUISE SHIPS ARE PASSENGER SHIPS SO THEY COUNT.
@TITANICLUSITANIA Your semantics indicate you are of a youthful generation. I think Oil Tankers and Container ships carry passengers too, SO THEY COUNT, and could hold tens of thousands of "passengers", should the whim preside to squish the poor souls into steel cannisters. They can sleep on air mattresses too. They have more than ample room to play racketball, or drive a clean fore of golf.
@TITANICLUSITANIA I am talking about commercial passenger ships like on the list from wikipedia, we are not targeting oil tankers as they are not targeted to carry passengers your so stupid I am NOT talking about oil tankers, because those are specifically designed to target the transportation of oil, where as Ocean Liners and Cruise ships are targeted to transport Passengers, really, your pathetic and obnoxious.
Queen mary had soul and luck and was in the right time and place the 50s make her number one.But Normandie another level even if it were out today the only thing that would look wrong would be the funnels thats it Queen mary looks a 1930s ship sorry its the turth
Normandie was an incredible and never seen exemple of magnificent art déco style! more crew for the passenger than in the Queen Mary in one term= more luxious,more confortable
I greatly look forward to the rest of her retirement in Long Beach CA as the Save the Queen foundation restores her and plans to build a marina in her namesake around her. Now hopefully I have enlightened you as to the QMs historical relevence and FAR superiority to the Normandie. Due to the the way comments appear on this page, comments are in order from bottom to top.
After the war she continued her usual transatlantic service in what are commonly referred to as the glory years (the 50s). But with the rising popularity of air travel she was losing money in the mid 60s and was later sold. I absolutely hate it when people are pessimistic about the QMs retirement and is often said to be a fate, like in the video you just watched. I myself have visited her about six times and find it FAR from a "fate" (continued on next comment)
And many people still insist that the Normandie was faster. However this is not true. Many people say the N was more powerful. not true. And the exterior structural design is of the N is superior to the QMs. not true. Now, lets take a look at the QMs record in the war. She outran german U-boats , evaded mines, carried over a million troops and war brides and in Winston churchills words "Helped to shorten the war by at least two years." (continued on next comment)
Normandie needed less horsepower to achieve the speed that Queen Mary did. Her power plant was superior as was her hull design. Her hull was longer in the middle for rigidity and strength; superior to Queen Mary. The Mary was faster. PERIOD.
Watching this video, and at first glance, the Normandie seems far superior. But a closer look reveals the truth about these two famous liners. First of all, i have seen many people saying that the QM was a throwback to the 20s and that the Normandie was far ahead in style. Well that was what made the QM far more preferred, the old, cozy design seemed to attract passsengers like a magnet rather than the glitsy, glitter movie star atmosphere of the Normande. (continued on next comment)
Normandie was the greatest liner ever..luxury,design,speed a fantastic equation between everything... this boat could have been built in the 50's! Queen Mary is good too but a little less... still with design and solution from the 20's
You also should stop your Post-Bush Ameri-bashing for a moment to acknowledge the fact that we (Americans) have bailed your folks' rumps out of two world wars! You're obviously not a rural Frenchman, since in my advanced travels in your country, rural French seem very grateful to U.S. Shame on you!
The queen Mary had to burn more fuel to even keep up with the Nomadie thats the best part. If the Nomadie didnt burn out when she did i dont think the queen mary would off been the faster ship and aswell queen mary wasent the biggest ship nomadie was becuase it was done on tonnage and the french made the nomadie more heaver when cunard put the queen mary to sea
No comparison. Normandie was by far more stylish inside and out. Of course she maybe was to over-the-top as her passenger numbers could'nt compare w/the super popular Queen Mary. QM was a big beautiful 1920s Aquitania while Normandie was light years ahead in style.
you should give the exact speed. because the Normandie was slightly faster than the queen mary on her maiden voyage, but i'm sure as you know, the queen mary is the faster ship. also, i dont think the queen mary's situation is a fate. just some suggestions. but i prefer the queen mary
that is implied (if you know anything about ocean liner history)haha. and no, the Queen Mary was faster so therefore better designed. and most people preferred the queen mary over the nromandie. the normandie looks fat! (but thats not why they liked the queen mary better)
I'm more of an Anglophile than a Francophile, but I have to go with the Normandie on this one. She was superior in her engineering (hull design, among other things. She had a bulbous bow to decrease drag while moving through the water, so common on ships today...something not present on either of the "Queens".) More importantly, her overall exterior and interior design was far more imaginative, and innovative on a number of levels. Her sleek lines made both "Queens" look stodgy in comparison.
i have to dissagree with you on that one lol, i think the Queen had a nicer exterior and interior (but thats only my opionion), yeah the man who designed the hull ect on normandie went to cunard and they said "we know how to build ships"
Yes, the great fortune of the Queen Mary...no ghost ship, she, 2 1/2 miles on the bottom of the Atlantic, no burnt-out hull in New York harbor, no pile of metal in a scrap yard. She outsmarted the U-boats and outsmarted time. 40 years after she was taken out of service, we can still enjoy her...just have to get to California to do it. But she's still thankfully with us.
The interiors of the Normandie were far too ahead of their time. Yes her exterior design has inspired ship design ever since - but at least the Queen Mary never ended up being destroyed by fire and eventually scrapped
The prewar Lafayette and Champlain were testing grounds for Normandie interiors. I think as an overall product though Normandie was far more advanced than the QN who delved too much in the past to be considered original.
@TFlexxx "She had a bulbous bow to decrease drag while moving through the water"- is this the purpose of a bulbous bow? Adding a huge blunt " bubble " on the bow of a ship is hardly going to do anything to reduce drag- if anything it will increase drag! I thought The purpose of a bulbous bow is to add bouyency beneath the bow to reduce the ships pitching in bad weather. However I have seen many different thoughts on this subject and it seems even seafaring men cannot agree on its merits or not
@scabycat Noo! I'm an Italian naval architect and the function of the bulbous is TO REDUCE THE WAVE RESISTANCE! At cruising speed the bulbous generates a wave ahead and out of phase with that generated by the bow, so the hole of the first coincide with the crest of the second, canceling the wave, responsable for drag.
@Ocram83187 Yes - but why can't anyone seem to agree on a standard design for this , supposed benefit? Every naval architect seems to have their OWN interpretation of what the shape should actually be. Also, why can't seafaring men agree on wether they help or not? I have read so many different opinions on the merits or disadvantages of the bulbous bow and it seems to me the " jury is still out " on this subject.
@scabycat as a device to control the pitch I think is useless; can you imagine the bulbous of the QM2 reducing the pitch of the ship? The buoyancy that produces the bulbous is so small and the moment of inertia of the ship along a transversal axis is so huge that everything is useless. This is my opinion...
Normandie was far superior in heavy sea than the Queen mary..proof of his design quality and have less power to do the same speed...and i didn't speack about the beauty of his interior..
I like both
titanic1912344 3 months ago
both of them.. if was a multi bilionaire i would donate $100,000,000 to the Queen i just love it
halofanboylol101 3 months ago
both majestic vessels
doobyboy21 3 months ago
They both are great liners! Normandie was ahead of her time! And Queen mary was a classic! I'll choose them both
piper102206 3 months ago
Normandie was far superior. Technically it was a a generation ahead of QM.
NearAbbeyRoad 5 months ago
i prefer the sleek design of the normandie to the queen mary's more traditional style but i do enjoy the architecture that the queen represents
natureman494 5 months ago
Difficult question!
Normandie: as a great and luxurious theatre.
Queen Mary: as a classic solid, and confortable british cottage.....
Both are magic anyway.
STEN3326 6 months ago
@STEN3326
"a classic SOLID & .... British cottage" ??
Happy to learn that the English, or Brits if you want (^^), built SOLID Liners...
And al the peoples on the Titanic would be happy too to learn it I think...
And especially, the past is the past and we live in 2011 now, thus please can you say to us who built the current larger English (or Brits if you want thus) Liners ? ^_^ :-)
cumbas 6 months ago
@cumbas The Frenchs builded the current larger Brits liner. QM2 at St Nazaire.
Queen Mary 1 is afloat at long Beach until today!
And steal quality was different for Titanic and QM1...I think we canot compare.
Titanic was very solid too because her sister ship "Olympic" runed until 1935. I mean, no luck for Titanic because the angle with the iceberg.
Friendly,
STEN3326 6 months ago 2
@STEN3326
It was not a question because of course I know perfectly that...
I want just that YOU write that because if we read you we can to know that it's a majority to say that the Brits builded solid Liners
So yes the French builded the current larger Brit Liner & not only one & build & will build more of others large Liners (in spite of the unfair & dishonest competition of any Asian countries with their workers at very low price in front of the French workers)
After this no comments to add
cumbas 6 months ago
@cumbas I'm ok with you!
Anyway I've got these two 1/400 scale models at home. Because precisely, I don't know wich one I prefer......(lol)!!!
STEN3326 6 months ago
@cumbass, your analogy is flawed.
Queen Mary was built by John Brown on Clydebank; Titanic by Harland & Wolff @ Belfast.
Two different companies in two entirely different eras. You ought to recall that QE2 served longer than ANY liner henceforth built (and I'm an American here - not a British national). Titanic was a magnificent vessel, most unfortunately doomed to her death by a massive convergence of cascading failures in three critical domains: command, engineering, and construction.
agroppe 2 months ago
A mi me gusta mas el Normandie. Tenía lineas mucho mas modernas y agraciadas que el Queen Mary. De todas formas ambos buques eran hermosos. Lástima que se perdió al Normandie!
MrLeov3 7 months ago
I say again. Normandie & Queen Mary are very beautiful & unique.
SuperTitanicfreak 7 months ago
ships are meant to sink at sea, not burn in docks
what an undignified end to such a magnifacent ship :(
AlekWheeler 8 months ago
The Normandie is more beautiful than Queen Mary. The interior of Queen Mary is creepy... not surprise me that ship have ghosts. The 3 big funnels of Normandie give the sense of power on the ship.
Vessel87 9 months ago
This ship was a big factor in my becoming a Francophile....i saw a documentary on ocean liners made in the late 90's which aired on TLC called "Castles of the Sea"
Anyone know it? I can find hardly a trace of it online.
jdghgh 9 months ago
@jdghgh " Castles on the sea" was a promotional film made by pathe ( i think) for the union castle line. There was also another film called " Castles to the cape " which charted the building and comissioning of the TSS Windsor Castle. Both of these films were released on video to the public and I think they are available from kingfisher video productions or snowbow films
scabycat 9 months ago
@scabycat oh wow, thanks so much for that info! Im gonna look into getting a copy of it, it was a great documentary.
jdghgh 8 months ago
Strange and especially for me useless comparrison between 2 great, nice but old liners who dont exist now or dont go on the seas
what is it your objective for mading this video ?
The only truth is nowaday the French built the "nicest", the "modernest" & the greatest liners who exist and built it even for... the English LOL ^^
The Queen Elisabeth II is a pure liner built in France I remember that to you ^^
cumbas 10 months ago 2
The beautiful Normandie's is a sad tale - a paltry 4 years service, possession by the USA after the capitulation of France and an ignominious fire. Did all of the interiors and fittings survive somewhere? The art deco style went terribly out of fashion for decades.
The Queen Mary had a far happier story. She was a long term commerical success - and, wonderfully, she survives, if only as a tin can! My dad saw her launched in his native Scotland and I visited her 60 years later in the USA.
duncann 11 months ago
I LOVE BOTH. I LOVE QM2, Normandie, QM, QE, QE2, QE(2010), and maybe QV.
I WOULDN"T COMPARE THEM TO EACH OTHER BECAUSE I LOVE THEME ALL.
TITANICLUSITANIA 1 year ago 2
The Normandie was the better ship.
jfbenzl 1 year ago
Had the Normandie NOT been given a third dummy funnel it would have been a huge embaressment to CUNARD who had built the Queen Mary that NEEDED three funnels! It does make u wonder about JohnBrown shipbuilders and wether their technology was outdated- remember the Titanic only NEEDED 3 funnels whereas Aquitania NEEDED 4 funnels! Engine rooms on contemporary ship were becoming progressively smaller as boilers became more efficient. Normandie was truly WELL AHEAD of her time- what a beauty!!
scabycat 1 year ago
How do you choose between 2 beautiful, classy ladies when both have fine
personalities and impeccable manners?
I'm going with the Normandie, though, because Queen Mary has lived on
to be a grandmother while Normandie died suddenly in her prime.
4freespeech 1 year ago
It was a fine day, the sea was calm and conditions were right to reclaim the Blue Riband. Britain had to have supremecy on the sea. As the Queen Mary passed the Bishops Rock lighthouse and made for the open sea, the Captain said "full steam ahead". For the Mary, this was a push of a lever and the turn of a wheel and she was pushing 210,000 HP and made the crossing in less than 4 days knocking off 3 hr 55mins from the Normandie's time. Now the Mary is what you call a ship!
ibsys2008 1 year ago
Why can't us Englishmen just be honest and admit that the Normandie was the finest ship ever ? The QM was a beautifull ship in her own wright but was years behined the Normandie. Those acres of uncluttered deck space- the superb streamedlined superstructure- in fact many could argue that QE2 was BASED on the Normandie!! She needed only 2 funnels and burned approx 80tons per day LESS than QM. She was a stunning concept making QM look totaly outdated- she could almost be from a different era.
scabycat 1 year ago
I saw the Queen Mary brought into Long Beach Ca, back in 67. I was just a kid. Fell in love with her at first sight. Growing up, I would go visit her once a week and stay all day long. when I grew up I got job working on her. She became part of my life and still is to this day. So I think u know which I prfer. but the Normandiw was a great liner in her own right.
Sarasdad91 1 year ago
@Sarasdad91 I had the honer of seeing the queen mary for the first time in my life in 2009 I didnt want to leave her I had to go back to Illinois,,,I wanted to stay with the queen so much history long live the QUEEN MARY,,
Dolphindream15 1 year ago
Both were grand ships for two very different reasons. The Normandie was like the Marilyn Monroe of ships, renowned for beauty and cache, legendary, but gone before her time, and known mostly for the asthetic appeal. The Queen Mary is more the Katherine Hepburn of ships, Long stately career and legendary accolades, known for its reliability and the gold standard for ships, but not a glamour girl at all. I would say Normandie was the more well designed ship.
BrandisLee 1 year ago
I love both Normandie & Queen Mary. Normandie would have made a great hotel & musuem if those retarded US Navy personal had been so careless & destroy her.
SuperTitanicfreak 1 year ago
Normandie & Queen Mary are 2 of many in my list of favorite Ocean Liners. Both are with me in spirit
SuperTitanicfreak 1 year ago
Since I am french I don't know if my opinion is going to matter to you, but I do I have to state that the Queen Mary project was launched 2 years after the Normandie one... 2 years which gives you time to see what the competition is going to look like... I mean imagine Airbus having two years in advance, on Boeing, on a project; which company would get more contracts??
1OneLuvYall 1 year ago
I prefer the Queen Mary
thebradybunchlover 1 year ago
i prefer normandie . the most beautiful and graceful ship ever built.
henry7ish1 1 year ago
I've been on the Queen Mary many times- know her inside out- but I would have LOVED to have experienced the Normandie. It would never have been scrapped if it weren't for the fire- it would probably be like the Queen Mary- a museum/hotel docked in Le Hauvre or maybe New York. The post-war baby boomers missed out on that gem of the ocean, the Normandie!
PJCoan 1 year ago
@2:57 who is the four funnels berthed to the port of Queen Mary, does anyone know? cheers
oscarelgy 2 years ago
@oscarelgy I know its been a while since you asked, but thats the Aquitania...just before her retirement.
BrandisLee 1 year ago
@oscarelgy That could be the RMS Aquitania (sister of the Mauretania and the Lusitania) !
Peace7Maker 1 year ago
These are both great ships, but I think the Queens better.
CarBonkers 2 years ago
Cunard (Carnival) used design elements from Normandie and Queen Mary for their Queen Mary 2. QM2's whaleback and bow are pure Normandie.
lasuvidaboy 2 years ago
The Queen Mary was simply an evolution of the Aquitania and ships before her; NOTHING revolutionary. Stodgy design with exposed ventilators on decks; not very pretty. The Normandie was so advanced on every level; if she sailed today she still would look modern. Normandie's interiors represented the best artisans of the French Art Deco movement. There will NEVER be another liner like the magnificent Normandie; she is nonpareil!
fairgirl7 2 years ago
(heart) you!
lenaweeparka 2 years ago
I'm a personal fan of the Queen Mary, but I stayed on her, so I know her better.
Dirtboy101 2 years ago
awsome!
canadahistory 2 years ago
Normandie. Definetly.
NintendogsPlayer 2 years ago
For all its grace and charming looks, the Normandie was notorious for being an excessive roller at sea. QM though more utilitaria to look at, was far more stable and therefore comfortable to sail in.
spitfireJEJ 2 years ago
that 's false! Normandie was very stable because of his new design and Queen mary was the real oller at sea! during his first storm many things were broken aboard the queen..
benoit91220 2 years ago
Have to agree to differ on that one. There are many photos taken from Normandie's decks which show excessive rolling. QM was not notably bad in that regard. Also, ask yourself why Normandie capsized rather than founder during the fire.
spitfireJEJ 2 years ago
Normandie was light years ahead of QM. Even the Queen Mary 2 has design elements taken directly from the CGT liner. QM while a lovely ship was a product of the mid-1920s (a super Aquitania to some) while Normandie was chic, elegant and totally unique.
lasuvidaboy 2 years ago 2
I want to say QM, but I have to admit the Normandie is by far one of the most beautiful ships ever constructed. She is a marvel of 20th century engineering sporting the best that era had to offer. She was a temple to Art Deco and her clean swept lines were amazing. She looks like she could fly. As I read in one book, the QM was a lady in an elegant dress wearing tennis shoes, but the Normandie was a graceful and elegant lady. I still love the QM, but Normandie has a place in my heart, too.
P38DLightning 2 years ago 3
But this really is comparing apples to oranges. Normandie was also considered so haute in state of the art deco, she intimidated many passengers not used to the over the top glamour, and may have found her too grand and pretentious. Queen Mary was a ship for the 'everyman', cozy and inviting, and perhaps her outdated style was more familiar hence welcoming to the folk that travelled her.
c3cubed 2 years ago 3
This brilliant concept allowed a full expanse of centre space from the front end of the ship to the rear, allowing long unencumbered hallways, and huge rooms, including the largest dining room afloat, seating over 1000 guests (longer than the hall of mirrors at Versailles) She was a showcase for the greatest artisans and French designers of the period, and many are still "names" today, representing the best of the best; Lalique, Rhulmann, Steuben et al. (Cont'd next)
c3cubed 2 years ago 5
@c3cubed Normandie was beauty and elegance the luxury of the time, although not as famous as the Queens it was more luxurious, and well even though many people might disagree, I love the R.M.S Queen Mary 2 and for me it is what Cunard says it is 'The Most Magnificent Ocean Liner Ever build" because she is the ocean liner of our time and probably the only one for our life time, so we must love her as she continues the famous love for ocean liners that both the Queens, and Normandie, started.
TITANICLUSITANIA 1 year ago
@TITANICLUSITANIA Normandie was quite famous at the time, and still is to afficionados of the transatlantic liners. The Queen Mary remains solvent in modern memory, because she still exists in "museum" form, as a testament to the period. By comparison, if Normandie were still around as a museum with all the furnishings and decor intact, I can only imagine the massive influence she would still have on those with exemplary taste in design and function.
c3cubed 1 year ago
@c3cubed I am not saying it wasn't famous it was indeed for luxurious, but the Queen's were the most famous and I am sure that modern people who don't appreciate ocean liners would drull and get influenced from the Oasis Of The Seas and the soon to come Norwegian Epic, which are trashy cruise ships.
TITANICLUSITANIA 1 year ago
@TITANICLUSITANIA If Mary were scrapped, this webpage would likely not exist, likely not exist. There are more books written about Normandie, than the Queen Mary. I have 16 of them.
c3cubed 1 year ago
@c3cubed QM2 was more famous there is a reason why Cunard's ships are the most famous ocean liners int he world, it doesn't matter how many books there are there are many movies inspired by the Queens and many movies featured the Queen as the setting, and there are official models made of the Queen Mary and no official model of the Normandie.
TITANICLUSITANIA 1 year ago
@TITANICLUSITANIA I recently did a "transatlantic" on the QM2 and resided in the "Grand Suite". When I was a boy, my family and I travelled to England on the QE 1 in the early 60's. There is no comparison. QE 1 was a real liner. QM, as big as she is, looks like a condominium. So did my suite, strofoam deluxe and all.
c3cubed 1 year ago
@c3cubed I have traveled 15 times on the QM2 and love her a lot, and you super old people that meet shakespeare need to understand that we are in modern times and that it is obvious that ocean liners wont be the same as they were back in the 60's during the final years of the Queen Elizabeth, so that is why the Queen Mary 2 is modernized we have an Ocean Liner that is modern but keeps in touch with the Golden Age of ocean travel, not everything can stay old you know.
TITANICLUSITANIA 1 year ago
@TITANICLUSITANIA A little "Shakespeare" might do some good? Maybe "The Tempest"? 52yrs isn't that old these days, especially considering so many "youngin's" may pop off early from ill effects of too much cellphone usage? There's something to be said from old fashioned landlines-even those laid transatlantic via "The Great Eastern" Old is destined to be New again, as long as folks maintain an accurate account of history, and manage to use correct puntuation as required for literacy.
c3cubed 1 year ago
@c3cubed No Thanks I don't have time for shakespeare, and really your just no, if you have a problem with using modern technology, then go fuck off some where else. I don't use perfect punctuation as this is just for comments and I'am writing on an iMac keyboard which is really annoying, so I tend to skip some punctuation. You think to highly of yourself, you know. People are correct the older people are the more stubborn.
TITANICLUSITANIA 1 year ago
@c3cubed and not just because your the oldest from this conversation doesn't mean your correct my grandfather is 92 and he loves ocean liners he even went on the olympic when he was a very young boy, so please even he agrees, the old technology will not come back as there is something newer everyday, like I said people who don't care about the ocean liners or ships will forget about the Normandie, because the Oasis of the seas which is far greater than Normandie is the topic now a days
TITANICLUSITANIA 1 year ago
@c3cubed Good point about the Normandie's boiler exhaust being moved to the outside against the hull on both sides of the ship, opening up the center for a grand vista and architectural promenade, especially at the first class dining room.
TFlex01 1 year ago
@TFlex01 Yes, and although it wasn't the first time this engineering technique was employed in shipbuilding, it was by far the most successful example of creating unparalled space. I believe a charming quote was issued by a child passenger at the time, lost and agog with wonder, walking about the seemingly endless promenade: "But sir, where is the ship?"
c3cubed 1 year ago
Normandie is considered by all accounts (and historians) as, the greatest liner - by advanced design and interior appointment representing the "golden age" of travel. She was the first liner to have a "bulbous bow", eliminating much of the wake created when cutting the sea. The large funnels were so, because of the unique design inside: They were twin uptake funnels, so the exhaust actually came up the sides of the ship inside. (Continued next comment)
c3cubed 2 years ago
@c3cubed Well I have never heard that from any historians, but I have heard that all the ocean liners are loved The Queens are loved for their service during the world war 2, and for being super large, they were the largest passenger ships ever build until the Carnival Destiny, from 1936-1997now do the math, thats how long the Queens had to be the largest.
TITANICLUSITANIA 1 year ago
@TITANICLUSITANIA "Largest" is a misnomer here, as the current crop of cruise ships are not "liners" at all. They're not really "ships" either. They are hideous and vulgar floating theme park condominiums and there is absolutely no comparison. BTW: Do the math? The SS France (1961) was the longest until the Queen Mary 2, built 2002.
c3cubed 1 year ago
@c3cubed I am not saying Carnival Destiny was a liner I know the difference I love ocean liners, and everything you stated I already know, except that Queen Mary 2 made her maiden voyage in 2004 which was when she took the title from the france. You do the math The Queens Ruled the seas in size for 63 Years. and FYI Queen Elizabeth 2 is the most famous ocean liner in the world.
TITANICLUSITANIA 1 year ago
@c3cubed No its is not wrong the Queen Mary and Queen Elizabeth were THE LARGEST PASSENGER SHIPS NOTICE I SAID PASSENGERS I AM TALKING ABOUT ALL THE PASSENGER SHIPS IN GENERAL AND CRUISE SHIPS ARE PASSENGER SHIPS SO THEY COUNT.
TITANICLUSITANIA 1 year ago
@TITANICLUSITANIA Your semantics indicate you are of a youthful generation. I think Oil Tankers and Container ships carry passengers too, SO THEY COUNT, and could hold tens of thousands of "passengers", should the whim preside to squish the poor souls into steel cannisters. They can sleep on air mattresses too. They have more than ample room to play racketball, or drive a clean fore of golf.
c3cubed 1 year ago
@TITANICLUSITANIA I am talking about commercial passenger ships like on the list from wikipedia, we are not targeting oil tankers as they are not targeted to carry passengers your so stupid I am NOT talking about oil tankers, because those are specifically designed to target the transportation of oil, where as Ocean Liners and Cruise ships are targeted to transport Passengers, really, your pathetic and obnoxious.
TITANICLUSITANIA 1 year ago
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GKG33 2 years ago
Queen mary had soul and luck and was in the right time and place the 50s make her number one.But Normandie another level even if it were out today the only thing that would look wrong would be the funnels thats it Queen mary looks a 1930s ship sorry its the turth
QDTREEN 2 years ago
Normandie was an incredible and never seen exemple of magnificent art déco style! more crew for the passenger than in the Queen Mary in one term= more luxious,more confortable
benoit91220 2 years ago
i have new crush on ss normandie
thetitanicadventure4 2 years ago
I prefer the Queen Mary but that's just my opinion. Normandie was a very beautiful ship and deserved a better fate :-(
hank3rox 3 years ago
I greatly look forward to the rest of her retirement in Long Beach CA as the Save the Queen foundation restores her and plans to build a marina in her namesake around her. Now hopefully I have enlightened you as to the QMs historical relevence and FAR superiority to the Normandie. Due to the the way comments appear on this page, comments are in order from bottom to top.
cpnzackaa 3 years ago
After the war she continued her usual transatlantic service in what are commonly referred to as the glory years (the 50s). But with the rising popularity of air travel she was losing money in the mid 60s and was later sold. I absolutely hate it when people are pessimistic about the QMs retirement and is often said to be a fate, like in the video you just watched. I myself have visited her about six times and find it FAR from a "fate" (continued on next comment)
cpnzackaa 3 years ago
And many people still insist that the Normandie was faster. However this is not true. Many people say the N was more powerful. not true. And the exterior structural design is of the N is superior to the QMs. not true. Now, lets take a look at the QMs record in the war. She outran german U-boats , evaded mines, carried over a million troops and war brides and in Winston churchills words "Helped to shorten the war by at least two years." (continued on next comment)
cpnzackaa 3 years ago
Normandie needed less horsepower to achieve the speed that Queen Mary did. Her power plant was superior as was her hull design. Her hull was longer in the middle for rigidity and strength; superior to Queen Mary. The Mary was faster. PERIOD.
fairgirl7 2 years ago
Watching this video, and at first glance, the Normandie seems far superior. But a closer look reveals the truth about these two famous liners. First of all, i have seen many people saying that the QM was a throwback to the 20s and that the Normandie was far ahead in style. Well that was what made the QM far more preferred, the old, cozy design seemed to attract passsengers like a magnet rather than the glitsy, glitter movie star atmosphere of the Normande. (continued on next comment)
cpnzackaa 3 years ago
Normandie was the greatest liner ever..luxury,design,speed a fantastic equation between everything... this boat could have been built in the 50's! Queen Mary is good too but a little less... still with design and solution from the 20's
benoit91220 3 years ago 2
Now you're talking sense, sir!
You also should stop your Post-Bush Ameri-bashing for a moment to acknowledge the fact that we (Americans) have bailed your folks' rumps out of two world wars! You're obviously not a rural Frenchman, since in my advanced travels in your country, rural French seem very grateful to U.S. Shame on you!
Ever visited rural U.S.A., sir?
hmmmm.
agroppe 2 years ago 2
who was it that bailed who out of the Revolutionary War? do you only read 20th century history?
jeffzent 2 years ago
@jeffzent Hows about you two agree to disagree and get on with life.
Dirtboy101 2 years ago
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@agroppe Hows about you two agree to disagree and get on with life.
Dirtboy101 2 years ago
The queen Mary had to burn more fuel to even keep up with the Nomadie thats the best part. If the Nomadie didnt burn out when she did i dont think the queen mary would off been the faster ship and aswell queen mary wasent the biggest ship nomadie was becuase it was done on tonnage and the french made the nomadie more heaver when cunard put the queen mary to sea
titanicboss 3 years ago
i think the whole design of the Noemandie was hot then again in my veiw she was the best
natureman494 3 years ago 3
I concur!
agroppe 2 years ago
Normandie not Nomadie!
benoit91220 3 years ago
heyyyyyy they stole the Titanic songs! lol they r all ships anyway
PreppySportyGurl 3 years ago
hehehe... you're so funny I could s***... what an ignorant statement...
agroppe 2 years ago
QUEEN MARY
Timtim6767 3 years ago
No comparison. Normandie was by far more stylish inside and out. Of course she maybe was to over-the-top as her passenger numbers could'nt compare w/the super popular Queen Mary. QM was a big beautiful 1920s Aquitania while Normandie was light years ahead in style.
lasuvidaboy 3 years ago 4
you should give the exact speed. because the Normandie was slightly faster than the queen mary on her maiden voyage, but i'm sure as you know, the queen mary is the faster ship. also, i dont think the queen mary's situation is a fate. just some suggestions. but i prefer the queen mary
cpnzackaa 3 years ago
no what you should say is the normandie won the blue ribband on her maiden voyage and is by far the superior vessel in design and interior
lefrance63 3 years ago
that is implied (if you know anything about ocean liner history)haha. and no, the Queen Mary was faster so therefore better designed. and most people preferred the queen mary over the nromandie. the normandie looks fat! (but thats not why they liked the queen mary better)
cpnzackaa 3 years ago
I'm more of an Anglophile than a Francophile, but I have to go with the Normandie on this one. She was superior in her engineering (hull design, among other things. She had a bulbous bow to decrease drag while moving through the water, so common on ships today...something not present on either of the "Queens".) More importantly, her overall exterior and interior design was far more imaginative, and innovative on a number of levels. Her sleek lines made both "Queens" look stodgy in comparison.
TFlexxx 3 years ago 6
i have to dissagree with you on that one lol, i think the Queen had a nicer exterior and interior (but thats only my opionion), yeah the man who designed the hull ect on normandie went to cunard and they said "we know how to build ships"
laffyroks 3 years ago
"De gustibus, non disputandum." ("In matters of taste, there is no dispute".)
TFlex01 3 years ago
true:)
shame about the Normandie she could have made a nice hotel ship:P
laffyroks 3 years ago
Yes, the great fortune of the Queen Mary...no ghost ship, she, 2 1/2 miles on the bottom of the Atlantic, no burnt-out hull in New York harbor, no pile of metal in a scrap yard. She outsmarted the U-boats and outsmarted time. 40 years after she was taken out of service, we can still enjoy her...just have to get to California to do it. But she's still thankfully with us.
TFlex01 3 years ago
@TFlex01 Zer gut Tflex01. I agree... a matter of taste.
wills2222 1 year ago
i agree with you, haha. AND HEY ALL YOU IDIOTS, THE QUEEN MARY IS THE BETTER SHIP. STOP LIVING IN DENIAL!!!
cpnzackaa 3 years ago
@laffyroks thats why Cunard ship since the Queen Elizabeth 2, many years later, have adopted the Normandie hull design... lol
Peace7Maker 11 months ago
The interiors of the Normandie were far too ahead of their time. Yes her exterior design has inspired ship design ever since - but at least the Queen Mary never ended up being destroyed by fire and eventually scrapped
chrisr19897 3 years ago
The prewar Lafayette and Champlain were testing grounds for Normandie interiors. I think as an overall product though Normandie was far more advanced than the QN who delved too much in the past to be considered original.
homeric9 3 years ago
thanks american..
benoit91220 3 years ago
how rude, frenchie
agroppe 2 years ago
@TFlexxx "She had a bulbous bow to decrease drag while moving through the water"- is this the purpose of a bulbous bow? Adding a huge blunt " bubble " on the bow of a ship is hardly going to do anything to reduce drag- if anything it will increase drag! I thought The purpose of a bulbous bow is to add bouyency beneath the bow to reduce the ships pitching in bad weather. However I have seen many different thoughts on this subject and it seems even seafaring men cannot agree on its merits or not
scabycat 1 year ago
@scabycat Noo! I'm an Italian naval architect and the function of the bulbous is TO REDUCE THE WAVE RESISTANCE! At cruising speed the bulbous generates a wave ahead and out of phase with that generated by the bow, so the hole of the first coincide with the crest of the second, canceling the wave, responsable for drag.
Ocram83187 1 year ago
@Ocram83187 Yes - but why can't anyone seem to agree on a standard design for this , supposed benefit? Every naval architect seems to have their OWN interpretation of what the shape should actually be. Also, why can't seafaring men agree on wether they help or not? I have read so many different opinions on the merits or disadvantages of the bulbous bow and it seems to me the " jury is still out " on this subject.
scabycat 1 year ago
@scabycat as a device to control the pitch I think is useless; can you imagine the bulbous of the QM2 reducing the pitch of the ship? The buoyancy that produces the bulbous is so small and the moment of inertia of the ship along a transversal axis is so huge that everything is useless. This is my opinion...
Ocram83187 1 year ago
@TFlexxx if i could compare those ships, i would say the Normandie is like the Titanic and the Queen mary like the Lusitania
Peace7Maker 11 months ago
Normandie because she's a gorgeous example of Art Deco. The Queen Mary is stately but I view the Normandie as more modern for that time period.
LionheartPnshmnt 3 years ago 2
its a shame you didnt include the Queen Mary aswell, but is actually a great video.
Jack0Young 3 years ago
oops I meant Queen Elizabeth.....
Jack0Young 3 years ago
I hate the roller.
CunardProductions94 3 years ago
the roller?
laffyroks 3 years ago
Normandie was far superior in heavy sea than the Queen mary..proof of his design quality and have less power to do the same speed...and i didn't speack about the beauty of his interior..
benoit91220 3 years ago
Got to be the Queen Mary she looks more elegant and superior both inside and out, and of course she has the history.
Jack0Young 3 years ago
id say Queen Mary too
sk3d123 3 years ago 2
i agreee:) lol can i ask why?
laffyroks 3 years ago
i think that queen mary's interior looks more modern
sk3d123 3 years ago
i agree wit you:), its "Rose" from the Titanic soundtrack
laffyroks 3 years ago
Queen Mary and what's the name of the second theme?
samborghini 3 years ago